Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, let's ding dong,
Speaker 1: Big week, Big week. Jester, you have done it again.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you, Hey, clown, Jester, you've done it again,
Speaker 1: constantly raising the bar for the circus, for the circus. Wait,
Speaker 1: I have to really talk to you, though, because Jester,
Speaker 1: you have done it again. Jester, what are you talking about? Jester?
Speaker 1: When you said the way you said several weeks ago
Speaker 1: that there was always something about Katherine McPhee you couldn't
Speaker 1: put your finger on oh babe, the way you said
Speaker 1: that we should be calling miss Katherine McPhee. Hey, clown, Jess,
Speaker 1: could you've done it again? When we saw her damn
Speaker 1: five hundred dollar donation to the Republican Party as of June,
Speaker 1: I had to stop and really think about that, and
Speaker 1: I had to think, but does it surprise you? Does
Speaker 1: it surprise you? The women? The woman is married to
Speaker 1: David Foster. I heard on the set of Smash she
Speaker 1: would often act conservative wow, and conservative behavior aligns with
Speaker 1: conservative values. Wait, hold on, I have to say that
Speaker 1: showed me when I found out, and so much has
Speaker 1: shaken me over the past several weeks. But why would
Speaker 1: it shake you? Why would it shake you? Matt that
Speaker 1: like this like white woman like is not like politically
Speaker 1: like aligned with you with your interests. Like I don't
Speaker 1: like hearing it. I don't like hearing it about any
Speaker 1: boco Alum. I don't like hearing it ultimately about Boko Alum.
Speaker 1: I don't like hearing that any boco Alum has been
Speaker 1: donating to the Republican Party. Wait. I was really like
Speaker 1: shocked by this because I guess what it is is
Speaker 1: it's like she's an idiot. We should just first of
Speaker 1: all say that she's always been stupid. She's a dumb
Speaker 1: person to now. But now to me, it's like, obviously
Speaker 1: that was something I want to know. Did the gay
Speaker 1: who does her Twitter? Did he quit? Because he's got
Speaker 1: to go, well wait, what what? What? Why does that matter?
Speaker 1: Because he can't be associated whoever this gay is that
Speaker 1: runs her Twitter? And there's a gay who runs her Twitter,
Speaker 1: and it has to be because she sometimes does like
Speaker 1: come through with some tweets that I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: and whoever she's employing to do that, I hope puts
Speaker 1: in their two weeks. Notice if if that two week's
Speaker 1: notice is not accepted. I hope they walked right out.
Speaker 1: There was just the joke of him a little log
Speaker 1: cabin Republican. I love that, Hi, my gay boys. And
Speaker 1: now that I think that she said, how Hi, my
Speaker 1: gay boys, I'm like, get, don't ever speak to us again.
Speaker 1: Nothing has ever made sense with her, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? It's like something's off, something's off. I mean,
Speaker 1: this just means that you gotta be You gotta be
Speaker 1: a Megan Hilty person at this point. From this point on, Oh,
Speaker 1: if you're not Megan Hilty hive then we can't talk.
Speaker 1: We can't talk. If you were still waffling between Team
Speaker 1: Karen and Team Ivey, you gotta take a serious long walk.
Speaker 1: And that's actually real culture number ninety four. If you
Speaker 1: are still waffling between Team Hi and Team Karen, you
Speaker 1: need to take a long walk. It's right there in
Speaker 1: the name Team Karen. Now I really want to sort
Speaker 1: of switch gears and I I am Oh my god,
Speaker 1: her name was Karen. It all makes sense. Jester, you
Speaker 1: have done it again. Jester, you've done it again. I
Speaker 1: want to such gears real fast. Speaking of jesters, I'm
Speaker 1: finally on your side on Team Matt with the whole
Speaker 1: vow discourse, because I can't believe we're still We're on
Speaker 1: episode five. We've we've only crested the hill. There's four
Speaker 1: more episodes left. And I was talking to our friend
Speaker 1: Joe Firestone about this over text. Too many shots of
Speaker 1: people thinking and standing and putting their hands to their mouths,
Speaker 1: too many shots of people thinking, girl, this is not
Speaker 1: a game show. Okay, I don't want to see people
Speaker 1: think it's full of jesters. It's gestures that are making
Speaker 1: the vow. I'm really on my ad jester grind today.
Speaker 1: I feel that I feel the nation as full of
Speaker 1: jesters and I'm not. Yeah, let's just say this. I
Speaker 1: am a hundred percent and agree with you about a vow.
Speaker 1: And I actually haven't even seen the episode this week
Speaker 1: because it got such any reviews that I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, a girl, I'm actually going to take a
Speaker 1: little bit of a break and maybe binge it later.
Speaker 1: But that actually sounds like a bad plan because it's
Speaker 1: so boring. It just has these like long stretches of tension,
Speaker 1: but the rest of it is just like you're watching
Speaker 1: people like flip through photo albums and like talk about
Speaker 1: how they're rich mothers talking about their daughters being like
Speaker 1: part of this. It's like I cannot sympathize with the
Speaker 1: wealthy at this time in the culture. I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: totally agree. And right now I feel like we have
Speaker 1: been because we've been topical because of the COVID nineteen pandemic.
Speaker 1: We've been sort of following the VOWE and we've also
Speaker 1: been following The Real Housewives of Potomac, which this week
Speaker 1: was really on fire, really great. It really was on fire,
Speaker 1: and we saw the beginning, we saw the actual beginning
Speaker 1: of the physical altercation that was Candace and Monique. And
Speaker 1: I think we can reveal at this time that Bowen
Speaker 1: Yang will be on watched What Happens Live with Miss
Speaker 1: Monique Samuels, and this is much for me. It's Watching
Speaker 1: Happens Live is my favorite show. It's my favorite show.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. October four, Oh, Han, it's it's going
Speaker 1: to be with Wait did you say who I was
Speaker 1: going to be with? I said, I said it was
Speaker 1: with Monique. Monique, Monique Samuels, the villain of the season.
Speaker 1: Sympathetic though in a lot of ways, I'm actually still
Speaker 1: team Monique. It's storylines that sort of go back to
Speaker 1: season four. I would say, you know, like the Monique
Speaker 1: the Monique Candice conflict has been sort of brewing. I'm
Speaker 1: still team Monique, I'm still you know, but I can
Speaker 1: I can sort of see where Candice is coming from too.
Speaker 1: So Candice last night on Watch What Happens Lives on
Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live was paired with Michael Rappaport, which
Speaker 1: that was very funny. But Michael knew the ins and
Speaker 1: out of all of Potomac, all of Beverly Hills. He's
Speaker 1: like he's the number one Bravo fan in all of
Speaker 1: the country. Yes, um, so, you know, And I gotta say,
Speaker 1: like Candice, the reason why Potomac is my favorite franchise
Speaker 1: is because I truly am rooting genuinely for all seventy
Speaker 1: of these women. I love of all seven of these
Speaker 1: women so much. It's not like New York, where I'm
Speaker 1: just like God, I want to push Ramona into a sewer.
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to take away her, her
Speaker 1: her her things. I want to I want to watch
Speaker 1: her suffer. But with Potomac, it's like, oh, I love
Speaker 1: all of these women. I know it's hard to watch
Speaker 1: them fight. And also we haven't even discussed the fact
Speaker 1: that the of the Michael and Ashley of it all,
Speaker 1: that that scene was too much for me to take
Speaker 1: him out. We don't need to see him, we don't
Speaker 1: need to see his blotchy ass face. I'm gonna revisit
Speaker 1: this later and I don't think so, honey, And that's
Speaker 1: that on that right now. But um, we will talk
Speaker 1: more about that when when I don't think so Honey
Speaker 1: rolls the damn around like it always does on an
Speaker 1: episode of Last Culture Access. And you know what also
Speaker 1: always happens on Lost Culture as this what's that? Well,
Speaker 1: it's actually not true. But what I was gonna say
Speaker 1: is we always have a guest and this episode is
Speaker 1: no different. You've done it again, Jester, I have done
Speaker 1: it again. And speaking of Jester. Interesting, Um, this episode
Speaker 1: we have today, this is an episode that's close to
Speaker 1: my heart because very rarely actually become I feel like
Speaker 1: so close with someone so quickly. And I actually haven't
Speaker 1: seen our guests since we wrapped filming the show that
Speaker 1: we have coming out this week, or I should really
Speaker 1: more say that she has coming out this week because
Speaker 1: the show was inspired, well, I'm hosting, I'm presenting the
Speaker 1: program and this show. She's the torres to urtical buyer
Speaker 1: in many ways, in many ways. And then Robin did
Speaker 1: is there being Robin dead and killing it? By the way,
Speaker 1: let's stop everything right now. We have to stop everything
Speaker 1: right now and say, Robin Poe, that was one of
Speaker 1: the best Emmy looks I have ever the best waymon
Speaker 1: and Micah dressed that young woman, and I have to
Speaker 1: say something. They also styled us for our show call
Speaker 1: oh my God, hot dog now dog. Guess I've alluded
Speaker 1: to on the podcast is coming out this week. It's
Speaker 1: coming out on septembery, which is truly tomorrow or actually
Speaker 1: honestly midnight tonight. I can't wait. I cannot wait to
Speaker 1: watch that. Can you even believe I have been I
Speaker 1: would say, just as excited as you for this. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's huge. I've been pretty excited. I've been pretty excited.
Speaker 1: I've brought it up sort of casually in our conversations.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't wait to watch the Stamp show.
Speaker 1: I think that you'll really enjoy it. Even if I
Speaker 1: wasn't in it, I think that you would like love it.
Speaker 1: So we actually just and I got to watch the
Speaker 1: first episode today and it is really fun and it's
Speaker 1: really watchable. It's going to be super binge able, and
Speaker 1: you'll be able to binge it when six episodes are
Speaker 1: released at midnight tonight a septemb Um Thursday, for people
Speaker 1: who have decided they were going to sleep tonight and
Speaker 1: wait and wake up in the morning and watch it
Speaker 1: before they, um, you know, get on their zooms for work.
Speaker 1: And it also will be available at night if you'd
Speaker 1: like to do your zoom work first and then start
Speaker 1: to binge the show. So there's so many ways you
Speaker 1: can go about watching Hot Dog on September twenty this week. Um.
Speaker 1: But what it is is it's a dog grooming competition show.
Speaker 1: And that is apt because our guest today is a
Speaker 1: legend in the dog grooming industry. And I actually was
Speaker 1: privy to all the contestants on the show, sort of
Speaker 1: gagging over our guest here today, who is the head judge.
Speaker 1: She's like the the grooming expert, and Robin Deady is
Speaker 1: the hot expert, like she's judging based on trends and
Speaker 1: fashion and all that. But not only is our and
Speaker 1: I'm the host and I'm like sort of like gay
Speaker 1: and squawking and walking around and so this is so
Speaker 1: fun and I can't wait for you guys to watch
Speaker 1: six episodes that come out this week. And in addition
Speaker 1: to all that, our guest is an author you can
Speaker 1: get Jeff Roona's groomed. It will look perfect on your
Speaker 1: coffee table reader, I know, and a powerful Instagram influencer. Okay,
Speaker 1: she actually revolutionized something called giving dogs there Beyonce moment.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the wind machine? The wind machine in
Speaker 1: the music Essential and making the dogs look like true dolls.
Speaker 1: She's an artist, She's a true artist. Phenomenon icon and
Speaker 1: our guests today and I want you all to welcome
Speaker 1: into your ears at this time, my friend, do you wonderful?
Speaker 1: Just Rona, come on in, woman, Wow, are you giving
Speaker 1: yourself your own applause? I've always wanted to do that. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you're actually giving me always wanted to do that. That's
Speaker 1: a really good idea for us. Maybe we should put
Speaker 1: in a little sound effect every time we have a guest. Yes,
Speaker 1: we should. We should have a sounding board. We should
Speaker 1: have a thing we've always wanted, always wanted to do that?
Speaker 1: Am I inspiring? You guys, Yes, look at this fount
Speaker 1: of creativity that you have been already what I was saying,
Speaker 1: I was saying, she's a found, she's found. Wait, I
Speaker 1: have to tell you something. What you guys not ruined,
Speaker 1: but you inspired me to not love the vow either.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Were you were you like very
Speaker 1: much into it and then you heard us kind of
Speaker 1: like be dour And I wasn't ever very much into it,
Speaker 1: but I felt like maybe there was something missing or
Speaker 1: just it was so slow. I was enjoying it and
Speaker 1: looking forward to each episode. But after the third episode
Speaker 1: I listened to your episode where you guys started talking
Speaker 1: about it, and I was like, holy sh it, they
Speaker 1: are right, Like it's it's like boring and slow and
Speaker 1: and it's like I want I like, but I like
Speaker 1: when Matt was like, I love how it's like the
Speaker 1: voiceover over that visual which was really cool and it's
Speaker 1: not like a percent bad. But yeah, I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of like, I'm disappointed in it because I totally listened
Speaker 1: to the Uncovered Nexum podcast. Did you guys listen to that?
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't think Matt either, But you so
Speaker 1: you're getting the full like compar already knew the story.
Speaker 1: This is a new spin on the story. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, guys. Yeah, I have to say like
Speaker 1: it just it doesn't take a lot for me to
Speaker 1: be like I stand this show about not being an
Speaker 1: a cult. Like I watched a lot of Scientology in
Speaker 1: the aftermath because I but the thing is but that's
Speaker 1: because you and I'm telling you it needs a Leah.
Speaker 1: It needs it does because Leah is so upset and
Speaker 1: she just cares about these people. Did you guys see
Speaker 1: the Paris Hilton doc? No? Oh my god? Wait did
Speaker 1: you watch it? Can you talk about it? Waitoen? Did
Speaker 1: you watch it? I just before this recording watched an
Speaker 1: interview of Paris Hilton on The Drew Barrymore Show, and
Speaker 1: it was just like, show, I have to I want
Speaker 1: to see that. It's it's surreal, it's it's it sort
Speaker 1: of harkens back to like Tyra Banks's daytime sort of intent.
Speaker 1: But so wait, Jess, did you watch it? Yes? Um,
Speaker 1: I watched. Well, I can see where you would think
Speaker 1: it would be like a victim thing, but it's sort
Speaker 1: of something where she's like, I've become a character. This
Speaker 1: isn't me um, and I don't want to be this anymore.
Speaker 1: I think she could have leaned into that a little
Speaker 1: bit more, but it is I just my heart goes
Speaker 1: out to her because, um, she has these horrible, NonStop
Speaker 1: nightmares of being dragged out of her room, um and
Speaker 1: taken to boarding school, and I think I think that
Speaker 1: actually happened, and her parents were just standing there and
Speaker 1: they didn't do anything, and they dragged her out of
Speaker 1: her room. She was like, help me, and they didn't
Speaker 1: do anything. And she went to this boarding school where
Speaker 1: the people who were in this boarding school are now
Speaker 1: calling themselves survivors of it because it was so they
Speaker 1: were abused sexually, physically, emotionally in front of everyone. It's
Speaker 1: they keep using the word traumatized and it sounds horrible.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, she talks about how the sex
Speaker 1: tape came out when she was eighteen. She did not
Speaker 1: consent to it, and she's like, it seems it feels
Speaker 1: like I was raped, like it was like a cyber rape.
Speaker 1: She's like, it seems like I was raped like this,
Speaker 1: and can you imagine? And she's like, I can't trust
Speaker 1: my parents. I can't trust my family. I can't trust
Speaker 1: anybody anymore. And it's like just imagine, yes, of course
Speaker 1: she created her reality and all that, but you know,
Speaker 1: she's just I just feel my heart really goes out
Speaker 1: to her and she seems like such a good person.
Speaker 1: Like I recommend watching this. I have heard that, Um,
Speaker 1: she comes off as someone who is who makes a
Speaker 1: lot more sense after after someone would watch it, because
Speaker 1: exactly what you're saying is true. I mean, that is
Speaker 1: a sexual assault. I mean when someone's when someone's nudes leak,
Speaker 1: and like we're just so desensitized to it, like the
Speaker 1: whole sex tape of it all, and like there's so
Speaker 1: much questioning about how those things get out there and
Speaker 1: like what the intentions are of the person in them
Speaker 1: or did they release them whatever. And I feel like
Speaker 1: because they quote unquote gains so much from those releases
Speaker 1: in the eyes of the public, because we think fame
Speaker 1: is everything. Um, we're not actually thinking about and considering
Speaker 1: like the trauma that that is. And I think that
Speaker 1: you know, it was only when Jennifer Lawrence's nude photos
Speaker 1: leaked that someone that was in that that it was
Speaker 1: happening to use the words sexual assault and that they
Speaker 1: felt like they were being raped and that makes perfect
Speaker 1: sense to me. And I've heard that Kathy Hilton comes
Speaker 1: off really bad. She really does. She just doesn't ever apologize,
Speaker 1: and maybe she did in the interview, but they don't
Speaker 1: put it in the edit, so I don't know. But
Speaker 1: she just wasn't like, listen to me, I love you,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry this happened to you. I'm in so
Speaker 1: much pain because I know that I caused this and
Speaker 1: she should have. You know, as an audience member, I
Speaker 1: was wishing that she would say something like that, but um,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's yeah, it's just really sad because
Speaker 1: she was an eighteen year old girl and when the
Speaker 1: sex tape came out, it was, oh, look at what
Speaker 1: a slut she is, and never talked about this older
Speaker 1: man who did this to her, and he never really
Speaker 1: was held accountable. Sorry, did this just totally take a turn?
Speaker 1: This is great? This is great. This is great because well,
Speaker 1: because she was saying in this interview Andrew Barrymore that
Speaker 1: the original sort of intention for this dock was just
Speaker 1: to show her as this businesswoman, which which is this
Speaker 1: other thing that she has that she has had to
Speaker 1: sort of like correct for because people have just thought
Speaker 1: of her as this frivolous person um. But that was
Speaker 1: like the original sort of way in. But then she
Speaker 1: and the director got so close that the director was
Speaker 1: able to sort of have pairs O put up to
Speaker 1: her about this really traumatizing experience in a school. Um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I just like that it's sort
Speaker 1: of organically came out of this um baseline foundational sort
Speaker 1: of premise that like makes sense and like wouldn't be
Speaker 1: too compelling necessarily, but like, but wow, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean she she mean Matt and I. Matt and
Speaker 1: I sort of met her. She We didn't sort of
Speaker 1: meet her. We literally met her at a Tribeca Film
Speaker 1: Festival for Vulture. Yeah, we were. We were working for
Speaker 1: Vulture was the Tribeca Film Festival and she was um
Speaker 1: promoting the other documentary it was The American Yes, and
Speaker 1: she was like a big part of that, and she
Speaker 1: really wanted people to see it because I do think
Speaker 1: it's important to her at this stage that people don't
Speaker 1: see her as you know, what she created in the
Speaker 1: wake of her very sudden and intense fame, and I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, we should also say it's a
Speaker 1: very complicated figure, like she she definitely did come out
Speaker 1: and say that she was like, she was definitely a
Speaker 1: Trump apologist, and she may very well be a Trump voter. Um,
Speaker 1: we don't know, but she definitely said some weird ship
Speaker 1: about him. So that's tough. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's like something that I don't think we
Speaker 1: as a society really ever grapple with. And I think
Speaker 1: now we're all like hashtag free Brittany, come on, please,
Speaker 1: we don't ever take accountability for the way we treated
Speaker 1: those women at that time. And I'm specifically talking about
Speaker 1: Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, who these women are
Speaker 1: now shells of what they were, and Harris is like
Speaker 1: still standing and still doing her thing. But you see
Speaker 1: now that it was not like this rose colored glasses
Speaker 1: world like it was tough, Like they went through serious stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think the paparazzi moment that was like that
Speaker 1: those years of like two thousand and five, two dozen ten,
Speaker 1: like that was like a really dark period for young Hollywood.
Speaker 1: You know, I totally agree, but that that culture is
Speaker 1: dying now. Yeah, I'm surprised that there are papa razzi
Speaker 1: now anyway, are they do they still exist. Well. Now,
Speaker 1: like the common conception around paparazzi is that like anytime
Speaker 1: your photos go on Us Weekly, it's that you called
Speaker 1: them yourselves, which happens I think. I mean that was
Speaker 1: like a whole plot on Selling Sunset was Christine was
Speaker 1: like like leveraging against the other women, being like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, don't just show up, yeah, which I love. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I love that. I love that that that can
Speaker 1: be a thing. But I love that Christina is domystifying
Speaker 1: like paparazzi culture to the audience. Anyway, Now we want
Speaker 1: to Now we have to watch this. I really want
Speaker 1: to watch it. You do recommend it. Shocked that I
Speaker 1: know something that I've watched something that you guys haven't.
Speaker 1: I was so scared coming on this podcast because you
Speaker 1: guys are so I mean, you're just tapped into the pulse.
Speaker 1: Are you saying we're literate? Are you calling us literate?
Speaker 1: Are culturally literate? And I am culturally illiterate, media diet illiterate,
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, no, you guys. I was like, they're
Speaker 1: going to talk about so many things I have no
Speaker 1: clue about. No, no, no, no, We've we've been spinning
Speaker 1: our Wheels and talking about the vow in Potomac for
Speaker 1: like four weeks ago. Oh, I started watching Potomac because
Speaker 1: it's yeah, I think I did, didn't I tell you?
Speaker 1: What was the Crown Jewel? Yeah? I started watching it
Speaker 1: and then I got really into Succession. Have you guys
Speaker 1: seen Succession? I'm on season two, so I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: at this. So you're on season two. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Cherry Jones. We have Cherry. But honestly, like,
Speaker 1: I was watching the Emmy's. Let's did you watch the Emmys?
Speaker 1: Did you both of you watch the Emmys? No? But
Speaker 1: I saw who won and who did it for them?
Speaker 1: All right? So I have some thoughts about this too,
Speaker 1: because Succession I actually hadn't seen and I have been
Speaker 1: really wanted to see it, and obviously now I really
Speaker 1: really want to see it. Not that I needed it
Speaker 1: to win Emmys to want to, but um, it's like,
Speaker 1: here's my thing with the Emmy's. It feels like Succession
Speaker 1: was like what won the Drama Awards, Watchman is like
Speaker 1: what won the Limited Series Awards, and then obviously is
Speaker 1: the only show that won a Comedy Award. So it's
Speaker 1: just like interesting, to me like whenever the Emmy's come around,
Speaker 1: and I sort of vocalized this on Twitter went during
Speaker 1: the show, and people wanted to kill me because the
Speaker 1: white gays Ships Creek are out for blood and I
Speaker 1: really weren't even being even I'm not coming for Ship's Creek,
Speaker 1: and I actually, if people people want to know, I
Speaker 1: think Katherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy are legends. I think
Speaker 1: Annie Murphy is a star. And I am the utmost
Speaker 1: respect for Dan Levy for creating that and using his
Speaker 1: privilege and the nepotism that he very much has, because
Speaker 1: let's be real, like he has it, and he actually
Speaker 1: created something that people really connect to instead of garbage
Speaker 1: or instead of doing nothing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like he used his massive privilege and
Speaker 1: and like the nepotism that he got from being able
Speaker 1: to run a room while never having a single day
Speaker 1: of experience doing that, which is unheard of, and he
Speaker 1: used that to create something that people fucking love. And
Speaker 1: I respect that. My perspective on it is one thing
Speaker 1: shouldn't win everything exactly with so much with the glut
Speaker 1: of good TV that's out there, and this applies to
Speaker 1: succession and Watchmen and UM and should create like one
Speaker 1: thing shouldn't sweep every single category. It's just not possible,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's that you can't tell me. You
Speaker 1: cannot tell me that one thing in every single aspect
Speaker 1: was the best thing across the board. But the media takeaways,
Speaker 1: but the ways that the Emmys are like promotional arms
Speaker 1: for the TV industry, Like the takeaways for every year
Speaker 1: are Fleabag crush or Ship's Creep or Deep Masal crush year.
Speaker 1: It seems like, you know, so this is just part
Speaker 1: of like the this is part of the narrative of
Speaker 1: the Emmys, which is that show did great. And it's
Speaker 1: not like the Oscars, where it's like, you know, every
Speaker 1: movie that win an Oscar gets like eight sequels. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like there's there's there's it's just incentivizing people
Speaker 1: to watch these shows as they film more episodes. That's
Speaker 1: just like that's kind of built into the Emmys in
Speaker 1: a way that UM is unique to them, as this
Speaker 1: Awards show. Do you watch Ship's Creek, Jess? Yes? Do
Speaker 1: you love it? I love it? I do think it's
Speaker 1: not a perfect shell. Sometimes I get I'm uninterested in
Speaker 1: storylines or uninterested in characters, but like you said, Annie Murphy,
Speaker 1: I mean she is Trusseau fucking amazing. I cannot and
Speaker 1: like the four, the core four are incredible. The ancillary
Speaker 1: characters I don't love as much. Yeah, for me, it
Speaker 1: just started really slow, so it was hard for me
Speaker 1: to get into it, and that's why I haven't. I
Speaker 1: think it obviously hit a stride um at some point
Speaker 1: because people love it so much and I am interested
Speaker 1: to get into it. My thing is just like it
Speaker 1: won all four acting awards and series and writing and directing,
Speaker 1: and that to me is just like wild. And you
Speaker 1: also can't use the excuse to me where it's like,
Speaker 1: well they didn't win anything for the first four or
Speaker 1: five years or whatever, because it's like Keenan is there
Speaker 1: and he hasn't one ship for sixteen years. Okay, Betty
Speaker 1: has not been recognized for Glow and Darcy Cardon literally
Speaker 1: had no nominations until this year. So don't use the
Speaker 1: whole thing of but they've never gotten anything with me
Speaker 1: because that it doesn't hold any water. But Matt, you
Speaker 1: haven't watched any of these like sweepy shows, this, this year.
Speaker 1: You haven't even seen watch when you haven't seen Succession?
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Why are you doing this to me?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen watched either. You're not alone. I'm just
Speaker 1: staying like, does I mean this? No? This probably gives
Speaker 1: you some perspective on this, where you're like, as someone
Speaker 1: who doesn't watch these shows and as someone who consumes
Speaker 1: a lot of TV, I haven't watched these shows, and
Speaker 1: so these awards don't speak to me as a viewer,
Speaker 1: to my viewing habit. Well, you know, I guess it's
Speaker 1: just I'm not I'm not I'm not like, I'm not
Speaker 1: like discrediting you and I are doing this. I just
Speaker 1: want to know why you're doing this to me. First
Speaker 1: of all, my one question my back he was number one.
Speaker 1: Why are you doing this? Why are you doing Second
Speaker 1: of all is literally this, there is so much stuff
Speaker 1: and this, this is the real truth. Over the past
Speaker 1: like months of quarantine, I have not wanted to watch
Speaker 1: anything substantial. I've only wanted to watch the most trash
Speaker 1: thing I can put in front of me, seriously, and
Speaker 1: so stuff that goes down it's not trash, it's just
Speaker 1: stuff that goes down easy. Yes, you're right, it's not trash,
Speaker 1: and it's actually important to say reality TV is not
Speaker 1: trash and it's real culture. Number three TV is not trash.
Speaker 1: What a hot tape? I actually, I'm so hot. I'm
Speaker 1: so hot on this take. But I I here's the thing,
Speaker 1: Like Watchman, everyone, everyone that's obsessed with it is so
Speaker 1: will love it. It's one of it's one of the
Speaker 1: best things I've ever seen. The same thing with Succession
Speaker 1: and Ship's Creek. People are fanatical about it, which means
Speaker 1: it's got to be doing something right. I just feel
Speaker 1: like it's crazy when one thing dominates everything. And I'm
Speaker 1: on the record with this about the Grammys too, because
Speaker 1: the Grammys is really bad with it where it's like
Speaker 1: it feels like one artist comes in and they win everything,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, it's it's just weird. And
Speaker 1: I also understand that, you know the nature of the
Speaker 1: way the Television Academy votes. It's not like you get
Speaker 1: a ballot and you fail out everything. You know, actors
Speaker 1: will for actors, writers will for writers, producers vote for
Speaker 1: shows that, um the top line shows or whatever. So
Speaker 1: I get that it's not like that. It's just always
Speaker 1: seems to shake out a certain way, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, this can't possibly be true, but I get
Speaker 1: that people love what they love and I'm not coming
Speaker 1: for ships creak. The way that people reacted to Go Away,
Speaker 1: the white gaze and it is us. They were eating
Speaker 1: their own. Can I say something about Succession? Please? You
Speaker 1: can say whatever you want whatever, this is your episode. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know, Matt, that it
Speaker 1: took me three episodes to really get into Succession. The
Speaker 1: beginning was kind of slow for me, and I probably
Speaker 1: watched those three episodes within like a two month period,
Speaker 1: Like I just was not looking for it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, and my friend Sammy was just like, you
Speaker 1: gotta watch it. It's so so good. And then finally
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, fine, I'm just gonna sit down
Speaker 1: and really watch this. And then episode four or five,
Speaker 1: and then I was like totally Yeah. By the end
Speaker 1: of season one, you're like, yeah, you're in. And and Matt,
Speaker 1: you will be obsessed with HIV. The character of HIV
Speaker 1: you will love. I just first of all, doesn't she
Speaker 1: look like a pin up character from or a pin
Speaker 1: up girl from the forties. It's just that's what I
Speaker 1: think of and you know she's Australian. Yeah. And um,
Speaker 1: and the the husband wait Tom Tom Tom Tom Tom
Speaker 1: is British. He is. Yeah. Let me just tell you
Speaker 1: the acting. It's the best acted show I've ever seen. Yes,
Speaker 1: very good acting. I mean you're talking to someone whose
Speaker 1: favorite show of all time is mad Men, So I
Speaker 1: don't mind sitting with amazing show. I just think it
Speaker 1: was so welcome. Accession is like mad Men. There's there's
Speaker 1: tons of mad Men, but it's also so funny. It's
Speaker 1: like here and Colkin is so good. He's so good,
Speaker 1: is such a good character. I mean, there's there's so
Speaker 1: much to like about the show. There are really there
Speaker 1: are funny moments where you're not expecting it. Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to start watching it because I do
Speaker 1: think I will love it. Um. And then we should
Speaker 1: just also say the biggest shout out to missus zendayah One.
Speaker 1: She deserves it. She that role she played, Holy shit,
Speaker 1: she was so good in that. It's one of those
Speaker 1: it's it's this Matt Rodgers criterion where no other actor
Speaker 1: could have done that. I always say, like the award
Speaker 1: should go to someone who it feels like, no one
Speaker 1: else could have done that part, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I actually rewatched the scene where she goes to
Speaker 1: It was episode three of Euphoria, and it's a scene
Speaker 1: where she goes to get drugs from her dealer and
Speaker 1: he says to her for the first time, I'm not
Speaker 1: giving them to you, and then she like freaks out
Speaker 1: at the door and she basically has a panic attack
Speaker 1: at the door. I was like, you know, this young
Speaker 1: girl's India is beyond she is. Not only is she
Speaker 1: a star in the way that she carries herself, but
Speaker 1: she is so gifted at acting. She's a great dancer,
Speaker 1: she is a fantastic singer. I mean, she's a cat
Speaker 1: debating she's one. She's like like real crown jewel of
Speaker 1: her entire generation. And we're gonna be talking about her
Speaker 1: for years to come. I believe she is so good. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be
Speaker 1: back with jess Rona. We're back with jess Rona. I
Speaker 1: want to know something. I want both of you too
Speaker 1: in tandem. I want both of you to in tandem. Oh,
Speaker 1: track the beginnings of the meeting. The report you guys
Speaker 1: built on set. I want to know every because because Matt,
Speaker 1: because Jess, Matt was truly singing your praises every single day.
Speaker 1: So cool. I love you, I adore you. Talk about
Speaker 1: the process of of of the show and and and
Speaker 1: how you guys became friends over the course of production. Well,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, and like, this isn't like
Speaker 1: what happened at the beginning, but I just will actually
Speaker 1: know right away. I knew Matt is so easy to
Speaker 1: talk to, and I'm sure isn't he Like he just
Speaker 1: like gets right there. And I think it's part partly
Speaker 1: because he's a Pisces, but like he'll just like get
Speaker 1: on your level and just if you're on your knees,
Speaker 1: he'll get on his knees and just look at like
Speaker 1: we're in this together, and like let's unpack, you know,
Speaker 1: let's talk. And I'm an Arieska is very good. I
Speaker 1: supposed to marrion Arees. Really, I'm supposed to really. Oh,
Speaker 1: I get along well with Scorpios. I are we both
Speaker 1: fire signs? No water? Gotcha? I'm water water water water
Speaker 1: water yeah, water placement. I just are you water your water? Okay.
Speaker 1: I knew immediately that we were going to get along.
Speaker 1: We actually have a mutual friend. And literally, this is
Speaker 1: so funny because Bowen knows this person too from high school. Liz.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Lizz, You want to with Liz? She
Speaker 1: was my sister's year in high school? Yeah, no way.
Speaker 1: So Liz is a writer. She writes for She's written
Speaker 1: for so many things, most recently Special And I know
Speaker 1: her because she's very close with Jared Um. But this
Speaker 1: that was when we first started talking about And I
Speaker 1: always I stand having a mutual friend with someone. I
Speaker 1: love it because then you can just talk about that
Speaker 1: mutual friend for like forty seconds to a minute, and
Speaker 1: then you're off to the races. You have the rhythm,
Speaker 1: and then you're oh my god, if you're ever shout
Speaker 1: out to anyone out there, any reader who's nervous about
Speaker 1: meeting someone, how and you wanted to go, Well, find
Speaker 1: the mutual friends. That's so true. What if they're a
Speaker 1: mutual friend, what are they to do? You got to
Speaker 1: service them sexually? Yes, and then you're off to the
Speaker 1: races and seconds later, rhythm, you're off to the races. Wait,
Speaker 1: speaking of shoutouts, before this episode is over, I need
Speaker 1: to make a shout out to one of your and
Speaker 1: you call your listeners readers, readers. One of your readers
Speaker 1: is a groomer and he's in Florida. His name is
Speaker 1: Jonathan David and he loves you guys. And he's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I was listening to last cultural stas
Speaker 1: and I just and they just announced that Matt is
Speaker 1: the host of hot Dog. That's my favorite podcast, and
Speaker 1: so he's going to flip when I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shout out Jonathan. He's a very well known
Speaker 1: dog groomer and he's Yes, he is just so talented.
Speaker 1: He's a judge. He's like very fancy in the grooming world.
Speaker 1: Will he come on the show? Yes, play out compete?
Speaker 1: Oh I thought you even like as a guest on
Speaker 1: this show. I was like, oh my god. Yes. Now
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Like, I don't think he wants to
Speaker 1: compete anymore. I think he wants to just be a judge.
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't want to go back to competing. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: He's he's he's earned his spot. But okay, so I
Speaker 1: still want to know more about this um this this
Speaker 1: friendship betting. But but just talk a little bit to
Speaker 1: me as a as a as a person who's not
Speaker 1: versed in this, who's not literate, Um, what what the
Speaker 1: what the network of dog groomers? How that sort of
Speaker 1: what that looks like? What the shape of that is like?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you came into it. You came
Speaker 1: into it the way you came into it with these
Speaker 1: like these incredible videos, and then did you start to
Speaker 1: sort of like pick up on this network that was
Speaker 1: already sort of in place. I actually, So there are
Speaker 1: trade shows and conventions throughout the year all over the
Speaker 1: United States, and it's always the same people at the
Speaker 1: trade shows, all the same scissor booths, and you know,
Speaker 1: and Matt loves when I say scissoring spray, scissoring spray. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, like you see all the same people. Um.
Speaker 1: And there are grooming competitions at these trade shows, and
Speaker 1: you see all the same competitors. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: like a grooming community. And so I I was, I
Speaker 1: was competing back in two thousand twelve, and I was
Speaker 1: just really invested and involved in the grooming world, wanting
Speaker 1: to get better. There's seminars, classes, It's a whole world
Speaker 1: that people don't It's an amazing it really is. And
Speaker 1: so Jonathan David is sort of like he's he judges
Speaker 1: grooming competitions and he's just he teaches seminars people asking
Speaker 1: for advice on haircuts or business and because his business
Speaker 1: is really successful and so he's sort of like that
Speaker 1: type of person in the industry. Um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: started making my videos actually when I was kind of
Speaker 1: in a dark, low place in my life and I
Speaker 1: was just antsy, and so the videos weren't really like, well,
Speaker 1: they made me well known in like the real world,
Speaker 1: but like, um, I didn't get well known in the
Speaker 1: grooming world until like a few years later. M And
Speaker 1: so what what was that? Was that just kind of
Speaker 1: like you built an Instagram presence or were you doing
Speaker 1: really well on the circuit? Like how did you become?
Speaker 1: Because you should see like and you will see like
Speaker 1: the respect and the reverence that the contestants have for Jess.
Speaker 1: She truly is like you know them. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find a good one to one but like and I
Speaker 1: don't we love Anne. We love but you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I'm trying to make a one to
Speaker 1: one on another reality show. But like what I mean
Speaker 1: is like she is like the Simon, like like if
Speaker 1: you go in addition American very Mary, very Mary Barry,
Speaker 1: maybe very that very like Tom Collichio that so. And
Speaker 1: I was just like really observing everyone come in and
Speaker 1: they see Jess and you know, they look at each
Speaker 1: other and they're like, oh my god because they're seeing
Speaker 1: like a celebrity to them, and um, a lot of
Speaker 1: times you would know those groomers as well that we're
Speaker 1: coming on and competing because this is the community, right,
Speaker 1: like you all know each other. I knew a lot
Speaker 1: of them, not all of them, but out of them.
Speaker 1: But like you know when you meet someone and they're
Speaker 1: just so good at what they do and you're just
Speaker 1: like it's like magic that I'm like that with groomers too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, your work is so good that you get
Speaker 1: a little star struck. And um it's still, uh, you
Speaker 1: know something I'm not used to when people react to
Speaker 1: me that way, but um, yeah, that's how it is
Speaker 1: in the grooming world. It's just a tiny version of like,
Speaker 1: you know, Hollywood, just how did you get into it?
Speaker 1: Like how did you get into dog grooming? Like what? What?
Speaker 1: Because it's something that you know, you know, what has
Speaker 1: to happen but you don't think about when you're like
Speaker 1: growing up, like I'm gonna grow up and be a
Speaker 1: dog groomer. It's just not what you think. So how
Speaker 1: did you get into it? Not what I'm thinking? Some people, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: well a lot more now after this show comes out. Well,
Speaker 1: I think so, I hope so I'd love to change
Speaker 1: the grooming industry. Um. I stumbled upon it. I just
Speaker 1: needed a job when I was eighteen, and I started
Speaker 1: bathing dogs because it was the least nine to five
Speaker 1: job I could find. Mind, my mom always got cat
Speaker 1: food at pet Smart, and she dragged me to pet Smart,
Speaker 1: you know, and she's like, oh, there's a help wanted sign.
Speaker 1: You need a job, so and then on the application
Speaker 1: there were all these different jobs that you could do
Speaker 1: it pet Smart, like work in the aquatic section, or
Speaker 1: work as a cashier or whatever. And then I see
Speaker 1: dog bather and I was just like, Okay, well I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about dogs. It sounds cute as fuck.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like a regular job. And so I
Speaker 1: started doing it without ever thinking it would turn into
Speaker 1: a career. I was always wanting to be an actress.
Speaker 1: I was class clown. I was like just a ham
Speaker 1: wanting to be an actress. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do this for now. And then over the years,
Speaker 1: I started grooming dogs more. I started learning, you know,
Speaker 1: how to do a snoozer cut and what's a cocker
Speaker 1: spaniel cut or whatever, and I just started to learn
Speaker 1: how to do it over the years. So it just
Speaker 1: kind of happened organically. And then how long after you're
Speaker 1: doing it do you start competing? Oh my god. So
Speaker 1: I I was also waiting tables a lot, and then
Speaker 1: my my dream was to be a waiter or waitress
Speaker 1: and I could wait tables and then go on auditions
Speaker 1: during the day and wait tables at night. That was
Speaker 1: my big goal. I wanted to do the grind, baby,
Speaker 1: so I ended up Um. I was waiting tables at night,
Speaker 1: grooming dogs During the day. I worked at Bukaa Bepo.
Speaker 1: I worked at the one on CityWalk. Oh my god, incredible,
Speaker 1: you are really a legend. Thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: was on the tours of the kitchen, you know, when
Speaker 1: you would go and people would give tours of the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I would do that. I waited, I was a food runner.
Speaker 1: I was just like, my dream was to be a waitress.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was an iconic waitress too. I
Speaker 1: was also runner. Yeah, there was a whole summer where
Speaker 1: I was a food runner and I couldn't touch a
Speaker 1: plate that was too hot. Give me a plate that's
Speaker 1: I can handle it. Oh, I bet I can see that.
Speaker 1: And also we had three flights of stairs, so I
Speaker 1: would carry and I could still do it if you
Speaker 1: give me a big gass tray. I bet I can
Speaker 1: carry three lasagnas on that tray up three flights stairs.
Speaker 1: I bet I could do it. Afterwards, honestly, name another legend.
Speaker 1: Name another legend. That's my new thing. I say about
Speaker 1: Bowen and now Jess name whatever. Whenever Boone puts out
Speaker 1: a photo that's fire, I just say, name another legend
Speaker 1: that's actually a title of that. Name another another legend.
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, so jazz. So you're waiting tables
Speaker 1: and you start to compete. So yeah, So I waited
Speaker 1: tables and I slowly started actually phasing out grooming, and
Speaker 1: I moved to New York started doing UCB. I was
Speaker 1: just like waiting table that also had three flights of stairs,
Speaker 1: which was very weird. Um, and so I kind of
Speaker 1: quit grooming for a little while, and then I realized
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a waitress anymore. After six years,
Speaker 1: I was just like, I I remember this skill I had,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I want to really get
Speaker 1: good at grooming. So I came back to l A
Speaker 1: after living in New York for a few years, and
Speaker 1: I just dove into grooming dogs and that's where I
Speaker 1: started competing. That's when I would meet my grooming idols
Speaker 1: and asked him a million questions, and that's when I
Speaker 1: just decided to get really good at it. Wow. But
Speaker 1: while also keeping this track of acting because because like,
Speaker 1: because she books and she's doing she's doing things. So
Speaker 1: I was an intern at UCB at night, and I
Speaker 1: was like I lived up the street from uc B
Speaker 1: Franklin and worked across the street at Tailwashers. So I
Speaker 1: never left that little corner and I was just immersed
Speaker 1: in dog grooming and improv for so many years. That's
Speaker 1: literally where I lived, not the not the Scientology Center. Now,
Speaker 1: I lived behind Gelson's on Bronson. Oh, so you know
Speaker 1: that's literally my neighborhood. My my neighbor is the Celebrity Center. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know exactly where you live because I have your address.
Speaker 1: Um but yeah, but so then you are you're like competing,
Speaker 1: and when does it get to the point where you
Speaker 1: become like really really good, like like and when did
Speaker 1: you realize like, oh, this is like I'm not competitive,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like one of the one of the ones.
Speaker 1: I think I started realizing that when I was Um,
Speaker 1: so I got fired from my job because I kept
Speaker 1: having to leave for auditions, and honestly, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm a good employee to have. I'm very entrepreneurial, and like,
Speaker 1: I think my boss was right for firing me, because, um,
Speaker 1: I just had to leave all the time for these
Speaker 1: dumb commercial auditions that you'd have to go to Santa
Speaker 1: Monica like at the drop of a hat. And so
Speaker 1: I started working. I converted my garage into a grooming studio,
Speaker 1: and it was that time when I was able to
Speaker 1: I wasn't very busy. People didn't know what. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to groom my friend's dog, so I didn't have
Speaker 1: a ton of clients. So I just really took my
Speaker 1: time and would take like I would just do one
Speaker 1: dog at a time and just really work on my
Speaker 1: craft and getting really good um. And I entered myself
Speaker 1: in grooming competitions and I placed in every competition. I
Speaker 1: didn't win until last year, but I placed. And um,
Speaker 1: I just I think when you make a decision to
Speaker 1: do something, it's very powerful in anyone's life. So I
Speaker 1: just decided, did any kind of endeavor, like mentally committing
Speaker 1: yourself to something is kind of it sounds simplistic, it
Speaker 1: sounds reductive, but it's like sometimes that is just very
Speaker 1: very very powerful in the ways that you follow through
Speaker 1: on that. That that's that's very cool. And so it
Speaker 1: went from like you're grooming your friends dogs to you
Speaker 1: now groom the dogs of Katie Perry. You know, like
Speaker 1: I think Ellen Pompeio, like you are now a celebrity.
Speaker 1: I love Ellen Pompeo. I mean we love ell. I
Speaker 1: met her. She's a schmoop, she has she is the
Speaker 1: biggest heart, she loves her dogs. She's the coolest. I mean,
Speaker 1: you groom some cool. I mean, I can't believe you
Speaker 1: have a relationship with the Nugget Perry. I know Nuggie,
Speaker 1: little baby Nugget has a sister. Oh, yes, a human sister.
Speaker 1: Now has a human sister, Daisy. Yes, Daisy Dugo. What's
Speaker 1: the hardest breed of dog? Is it a poodle? I
Speaker 1: would imagine No, I love poodles. For me, I think
Speaker 1: it depends on the groomer. For me, the hardest dog
Speaker 1: is a soft coded wheat and terrier. Give me, well,
Speaker 1: you would be. This is another Your hairs are long,
Speaker 1: but they're beautiful dog. This is another really cool thing
Speaker 1: about the show too, is like I love dogs, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know all the breeds. This show has all
Speaker 1: different kinds of breeds, and every episode it's like they're
Speaker 1: all getting they'll get a sign like a different kind
Speaker 1: of small dog. They off to do the same thing
Speaker 1: too in the mini challenge, and then in the main
Speaker 1: challenge m any they basically get any dog that they
Speaker 1: want to do a creative transformation with based on the theme.
Speaker 1: So there's themes like old Hollywood glamour, there's themes like
Speaker 1: disco Inferno, there's Western pop pop star. It's probably one
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes. It's amazing. I cannot wait for
Speaker 1: people to see it. And so what I want everyone
Speaker 1: to know is that the show. The aesthetic of the
Speaker 1: show is very much based on Jestice aesthetic, which is
Speaker 1: like how would you describe it? I would say kitchy
Speaker 1: seventies glam with a little wink and humor. Yeahs, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just love her. But you know, it's just I
Speaker 1: was like, this is very wood paneled, retro like life,
Speaker 1: and the wood paneling was just it just happened. Like
Speaker 1: the garage of the rented house I live in hadwood paneling,
Speaker 1: and I would just I would go to a thrift
Speaker 1: store or something and see a portrait of a dog
Speaker 1: and get it. And it just never really was intentional,
Speaker 1: but it just sort of organically appeared as my brand.
Speaker 1: And then I just people were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: the wood paneling, like they started reacting to it, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is my thing. But I've
Speaker 1: always been really like a hippie into seventies and like
Speaker 1: I've just always been like that anyway, because you're from
Speaker 1: l A. So it's like seventies but in the l
Speaker 1: A context where you have these Hollywood elements in it,
Speaker 1: and like that is such a solid, you know story,
Speaker 1: just aesthetically. I love that. Well. I can't wait for
Speaker 1: you to see my new shop. I just moved out
Speaker 1: of the garage a month. I would love to come.
Speaker 1: I mean I just took the aesthetic and like ramped
Speaker 1: it up and did it the way I want to
Speaker 1: do it versus just the way it happened to happen. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I finally after six years, I'm out of
Speaker 1: my garage. Wow. And the move from the garage to
Speaker 1: the corner of Larchmont and Melrose is a massive one.
Speaker 1: And it's I'm so excited for the store to open up,
Speaker 1: or the shop to open up rather, but I mean,
Speaker 1: it's open, is it open? Now? It's open? We did
Speaker 1: a soft opening. Yeah, we've been open for a few weeks.
Speaker 1: I never know what's open anymore in there. I'm so
Speaker 1: can Oh, I'm gonna come. Um. But okay, so I
Speaker 1: want to know, like because I do know this, But
Speaker 1: how does it become a television show? Oh? Yeah? Well? Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so people are fascinated with celebrity. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't expect you guys to understand that, but I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: But like, so, I've been approached to do reality shows
Speaker 1: for years and years and I always said, no, it's
Speaker 1: just not what I want to do. And I met
Speaker 1: Nicole and she has this beautiful red poodle named Doug,
Speaker 1: And so I met Nicole's husband on set when I
Speaker 1: was Katie Perry's Dog's Glam Squad. So, Nicole Nicole is
Speaker 1: the producer of Hot Dog Nicole Yarn And she was
Speaker 1: like a producer for the voice and and she created
Speaker 1: making it with Amy Poehler nick Offerman. She's a force,
Speaker 1: she's a visionary. Um. She is so brilliant, she's based.
Speaker 1: I think she's a genius. Um. There's very few people
Speaker 1: that I've ever met like her, but um. So. So
Speaker 1: I met her husband on a on set at a
Speaker 1: Katie Perry commercial thing where I was like Katie's Dog's
Speaker 1: Glam squad and he's like, if I ever get a dog,
Speaker 1: you have to groom it. Three weeks later, they got
Speaker 1: a dog and they're like they called me. And so
Speaker 1: I met Nicole through Rob, her husband, and she was like,
Speaker 1: we're making a show, and I was she when we
Speaker 1: talked about it, it was more of like a competition show.
Speaker 1: It was less like a reality show of like cameras
Speaker 1: following me and more like something elevated and cool and
Speaker 1: intentional and and so um and so we just over
Speaker 1: the years we developed the ideas and she would she
Speaker 1: sat down with me and she's like, Okay, how do
Speaker 1: you picture the set being draw it out? Like draw
Speaker 1: the like where would the judge's table be? So like?
Speaker 1: And she actually sold the show on her own. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's so connected in this industry. She sold it just
Speaker 1: off of the sizzle that we made. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean, that's what made me want
Speaker 1: to do it. They sent me the sizzle and I
Speaker 1: was like, this looks like the most functional ever. Wow.
Speaker 1: And so she sizzles like she has a genius editor.
Speaker 1: And I gave her like tons of like photos for
Speaker 1: reference and the vibe and the tone, and I just
Speaker 1: like put together collages of looks and and just visuals.
Speaker 1: And she put together this amazing sizzle and sold it.
Speaker 1: And she was like, you know, she just kept calling
Speaker 1: me with good news. We sold it, I found out.
Speaker 1: Then I found out we got picked up for twelve episodes.
Speaker 1: Like she just kept calling me with good news, good news,
Speaker 1: And I was crying. I just I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not a big crier, but I'm crying because
Speaker 1: my two worlds are colliding. Who knew the dog grooming
Speaker 1: would lead me to the other stuff. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's awesome, and so Jess and I got to watch
Speaker 1: the first episode today and it's so much fun. And
Speaker 1: you know what really comes across is like me, Jess
Speaker 1: and Robin thity, like we really do have so much fun.
Speaker 1: We laugh so much and it's hot. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is my first time doing this, but I've been told
Speaker 1: like chemistry like ours is not normal, and it's it's
Speaker 1: like the three of us just got along. Also, like
Speaker 1: we all have mutual friends. Yeah. Yeah, I knew Robin
Speaker 1: because Robin came and did Game Show and it was
Speaker 1: so much fun and such a probe and we shared
Speaker 1: like we were working on the same floor when she
Speaker 1: was writing a Black Lady Sketch show and I was
Speaker 1: working on Game Show and so um we knew each
Speaker 1: other from that. But it's so funny because the producers
Speaker 1: were like, and of course you and Jess and Robin
Speaker 1: will have amazing chemistry and that will happen, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, you are assuming that, but you can tell,
Speaker 1: like people behind the scenes are like they're trying to
Speaker 1: establish this thing of like and of course the chemistry
Speaker 1: will be amazing, but you can tell that's what they're
Speaker 1: nervous about and like, so we didn't we weren't able
Speaker 1: to meet in person beforehand. Um, and then we just
Speaker 1: literally arrived on set and luckily, like the three of
Speaker 1: us started talking and didn't stop. It really was just
Speaker 1: so fun. And Robin is she's I love her so much.
Speaker 1: I feel so honored that she's in my life now.
Speaker 1: I feel like she has the biggest heart. She's such
Speaker 1: a good person. She's just one of those loyal kind
Speaker 1: of ride or die type of people that would just
Speaker 1: like have your back and be there for you. She's
Speaker 1: just I just feel really lucky. I think we're really lucky.
Speaker 1: We got lucky because none of us are like assholes.
Speaker 1: I just think we got really lucky because it kind
Speaker 1: of gone the other way for sure. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: And also it's it's just like, um, I mean, Robin
Speaker 1: talked about a hustler, like she really works her fucking
Speaker 1: ass off, and she's so graceful. I'm a mess when
Speaker 1: I'm when I'm like my cup is full, I'm overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: She was doing so much during the shoot. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I just really admire her and look up
Speaker 1: to her. She's the best. We'll talk about, um, what
Speaker 1: it was like to shoot, because I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys were one of the like first shows to shoot
Speaker 1: in l A at least um like during COVID but
Speaker 1: like you you guys sort of reported this in the
Speaker 1: press release. No COVID cases at all during the entire
Speaker 1: course of filming. They were so on top of their
Speaker 1: testing regimen for you guys, Um, what was what was that? Like?
Speaker 1: It was trippy, it was weird. So we we were
Speaker 1: we basically were like it was like me justin Robin
Speaker 1: had like the backstage area and we were kind of
Speaker 1: just like all together the whole time. And then you know,
Speaker 1: it's weird, like hair makeup was basically on like hazmat suits,
Speaker 1: like putting putting our makeup on everything. But I will
Speaker 1: say this, and this is something that um, I want
Speaker 1: to tell everyone that's you know, nervous about getting back
Speaker 1: to work and stuff like that. My takeaway from it
Speaker 1: was it really I always think like whenever I'm on
Speaker 1: set and there's a good vibe, it does become like
Speaker 1: a little family. Like I know, our set was like
Speaker 1: a family. Is a kind of cliche, I think to say.
Speaker 1: But one thing that I took from the experience was
Speaker 1: not only was everyone just so excited to be back
Speaker 1: at work and working and working on this show because
Speaker 1: it really is so positive and it's so it's so
Speaker 1: nice to see like the this profession get its shine
Speaker 1: finally because it never has. But also everyone working on
Speaker 1: set was really taking care of each other, and it
Speaker 1: was like really like top of mind for everyone in
Speaker 1: coming to work every day, Like everyone was really taking
Speaker 1: the quarantining seriously. Everyone was really checking in with each
Speaker 1: other in terms of their physical space and everything. So
Speaker 1: it actually like wasn't even better experience than a good
Speaker 1: experience is because you came into it with love and
Speaker 1: care and also came away from it after we had
Speaker 1: completed it and we had said, wow, we did that.
Speaker 1: Because I'll say this, like, I don't think I've heard
Speaker 1: of one other production that has not had one at
Speaker 1: least one positive case that's shooting right now. We were
Speaker 1: really lucky that um that happened to their other place.
Speaker 1: There are other productions where someone tests positive and they
Speaker 1: have to they have to like pause or shut down
Speaker 1: or that person can't work, you know, like and you
Speaker 1: know it's it's tough because no one knows for sure
Speaker 1: how you get or don't get this. So people are
Speaker 1: really trying the hardest, and you know, the tests aren't
Speaker 1: always accurate, but we were tested every single day, um,
Speaker 1: and you know, and also like we weren't allowed to
Speaker 1: eat with everyone. We weren't allowed to even in the morning.
Speaker 1: I would really want to just get my coffee, but
Speaker 1: someone was like, hey, can I get you something? But
Speaker 1: why don't you go inside and I'll bring it to you.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I mean, it sounds great to
Speaker 1: be weighted on, but honestly, I just want to get
Speaker 1: my coffee, you know, like it was. It's just very
Speaker 1: weird to like not be independent, right, right, but you know,
Speaker 1: we we did it. And and Matt's kind of saying that,
Speaker 1: like the consideration was built into this process being so
Speaker 1: you know, precautionary and everyone really had to look out
Speaker 1: for each other on this collective level where you're you're
Speaker 1: you really are thinking about every single person in that environment,
Speaker 1: which I mean, it's it's crazy that that wasn't that
Speaker 1: sort of wasn't the firm case before and then before
Speaker 1: times where like you wouldn't you wouldn't come into these
Speaker 1: situations necessarily being like well that we're a unit. We
Speaker 1: all have we all have to work together to make
Speaker 1: sure we can work towards this common goal. UM. To
Speaker 1: have like you know, this, this, these these protocols in
Speaker 1: place which are unfortunate and whatever and bizarre, but like
Speaker 1: to have them kind of like established this tone of well,
Speaker 1: we're all working towards the same thing is is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But how are you feeling about going back? Oh, so
Speaker 1: many ways. We don't talk about them. Probably I'm probably
Speaker 1: not allowed to. Okay, yeah, probably probably gotta keep a
Speaker 1: lid on it. But little on. But let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break and then we have to ask Jess the question. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll be right back with Jess room and we're
Speaker 1: back Matt. You asked the question. Here's the thing. Jess
Speaker 1: actually texted me yesterday and she was like, I'm nervous
Speaker 1: about this part of it. And I was like why
Speaker 1: and she was like, because there's so many different things
Speaker 1: I could say and I don't know what to say.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you have to choose the
Speaker 1: thing that UM in choosing your moment of culture, that
Speaker 1: was the moment that made you say culture was for you.
Speaker 1: It's that thing that's that intangible thing. It happened and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden your life took on a new
Speaker 1: course and you didn't know why. And she was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm still confused. I still think about it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, that's part of the course. So I am
Speaker 1: now going to turn to Jess and say, what have
Speaker 1: you decided on? What was your cult moment of culture
Speaker 1: that made you say culture was for me? Jess Rhona,
Speaker 1: it can be multiple things too, if you're torn between stuff, Okay, um, okay,
Speaker 1: so these this is the These are the three things
Speaker 1: that I thought of. Maybe you guys can can weigh in. So.
Speaker 1: I grew up in l A in the nineties and
Speaker 1: I was very into ska music, um Gwen Stefani when
Speaker 1: she was when she was singing songs with Sublime like
Speaker 1: that o c back in the um. Then I became
Speaker 1: a raver and electronic music was really influencing me. You.
Speaker 1: I was a molly doer very I mean this was
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. I was doing molly and raving like
Speaker 1: a candy raver. When I was there were kids that
Speaker 1: there were kids at school, like seventeen years old. He
Speaker 1: would go to raves sixteen and like and like and
Speaker 1: like fucking role yeah, and I was like, those kids
Speaker 1: are crazy and now it's like my favorite. What's a candy?
Speaker 1: I love? I love dating myself candy is Is it
Speaker 1: like flipping? Are you like changing drugs? Candy flipping is
Speaker 1: a thing um back in the day when you would
Speaker 1: do when you were candy flipping, it is my understanding
Speaker 1: that you were just doing acid and molly acid and
Speaker 1: you're like we just called the e. Back in the day,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I remember when it was yeah, well
Speaker 1: like the good ship is molly and now it's like
Speaker 1: you know, prime and powder and it's like a clean
Speaker 1: high and like that's the end of it. But back
Speaker 1: then it was like cut with speed and you were
Speaker 1: up till six am like a lunatic. Not like I'm
Speaker 1: a drug addict or anything. I don't do it anymore
Speaker 1: at all. Um, okay, so Scott into Raver and then
Speaker 1: and then and then what I will complete the story?
Speaker 1: Oh just and then like I touched on it before,
Speaker 1: but like and I told Matt, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: such a nerd. But improv really changed my whole life
Speaker 1: because Bo and Yang also did improv as a youngster. Really. Yes,
Speaker 1: Well I was a late bloomer. I wish I did
Speaker 1: it when I was younger. I didn't start until I
Speaker 1: was in my late twenties. But I was really into
Speaker 1: it like a crazy person, like from the line at
Speaker 1: u c B and every time we were all there
Speaker 1: were all there improv boot camp, like I was like
Speaker 1: it was a lot. I still think we have not
Speaker 1: as a community of improvisers or x improvisers x u
Speaker 1: c B ors whatever. We let's just let's just keep
Speaker 1: it to UCB, okay, because that's that's like like that's
Speaker 1: where our circles overlap. What was it about UCB and
Speaker 1: that culture that made it so like we were all acolytes.
Speaker 1: We were all like, oh my god, we have to
Speaker 1: stay up for all of DC and like, what was
Speaker 1: it about? God? There's something I mean, I I don't
Speaker 1: want to like kind of like cheaply like compared to
Speaker 1: a cult, but there was something like that just demanded
Speaker 1: your devotion to it and dedication to it. And I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like what that what like what
Speaker 1: was the promise and what do you guys? And I
Speaker 1: want to know what you guys think. I think that
Speaker 1: for me when I was in high school, the cool
Speaker 1: kids were always like that was not really attainable for
Speaker 1: me because it was just like you had to be
Speaker 1: like straight in a certain way to look and um,
Speaker 1: the way that popularity was gauged just never really connected
Speaker 1: with me. But I always wanted um to be recognized
Speaker 1: for being good at something, and I feel like I
Speaker 1: always had a good sense of humor. And then when
Speaker 1: I saw when I went to college, and like I
Speaker 1: saw the sketching improphecy, and then the UCB seems like
Speaker 1: the macro of that. In New York, it was like
Speaker 1: everything like if you were pursuing comedy in New York,
Speaker 1: everyone was like, well, what when's your next UCB class?
Speaker 1: That was just what it is. I think that u
Speaker 1: c B, at least in the way I saw things
Speaker 1: at the time, seemed to celebrate people for being smart
Speaker 1: and funny, whereas popularity for me was always based on
Speaker 1: like looking a certain way or whatever and doing certain
Speaker 1: things or lifestyle things. Whereas this was like, oh, these
Speaker 1: people who rise to the top are the quote unquote
Speaker 1: smartest and funniest. Now looking back, I know that's not true.
Speaker 1: It's like kind of like exclusive to certain people. And
Speaker 1: I can see the exclusivities of uc B now in retrospect,
Speaker 1: but at the time, I was like God to be
Speaker 1: able to go up there say the smartest, funniest thing
Speaker 1: and then become like a star in this arena. And
Speaker 1: I was always someone that wanted to act and perform,
Speaker 1: but I didn't take acting classes or anything. And I thought,
Speaker 1: this is a fun way to get into it. But
Speaker 1: I don't know what you guys think. Yeah, I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1: I mean, not the opposite of that, but I'm the
Speaker 1: opposite of Like I started off taking acting classes in
Speaker 1: l A and like having breakthrough in my classes and
Speaker 1: just scene study classes and taking it so seriously and
Speaker 1: doing all this dramatic acting. And I went to school
Speaker 1: called Playhouse West and I went all the way through
Speaker 1: the advanced program and I was just so into it.
Speaker 1: But I was never good at homework and I was
Speaker 1: never good at like preparing, and like, finally I was
Speaker 1: like improv. I don't have to break down a scene.
Speaker 1: I could just show up and play and um. And
Speaker 1: when I first found improv, I was like, holy sh it,
Speaker 1: this is where I belong, this is what I want.
Speaker 1: These are my people. But I think you're totally right.
Speaker 1: It's like it's magical when it's done well. It's like
Speaker 1: unlike anything you've seen when it's done well. And I
Speaker 1: started UCB in New York and when it's when you
Speaker 1: see a magical thing like that performed in front of you,
Speaker 1: and you're just like, I want to do that so bad.
Speaker 1: I want to be that. I want to be that good.
Speaker 1: I want to be that smart and funny and quick
Speaker 1: and all of it. And it's like a drug. And
Speaker 1: it's also you know, I think improv um attracts a
Speaker 1: certain kind of person. You know, we might be the
Speaker 1: underdogs in our real life in some way. And if
Speaker 1: you can succeed at this thing, then you're finally valid
Speaker 1: like validated, you're finally funny, you're finally good, and you
Speaker 1: won't stop until you're good, and you won't be good
Speaker 1: until they say you're good, so you keep going. You're
Speaker 1: competitive every And it's also the culture. You know, everyone's
Speaker 1: just scrambling to get on a Herald team or a
Speaker 1: mod team and it's just you know, a frenzy. God.
Speaker 1: I don't miss it um, but I do. I mean,
Speaker 1: I miss performing improv, but I don't miss feeling like
Speaker 1: shit so much. I just felt like I wasn't good,
Speaker 1: I wasn't funny, You're not talented unless you're on a
Speaker 1: Herald team. But that was the common valuation. That was
Speaker 1: the common evaluation, like that you would that everyone would
Speaker 1: sort of buy into, which was, Oh my god, that
Speaker 1: Lloyd team audition was so awful and they were just
Speaker 1: like they just didn't really laugh and it was just
Speaker 1: so awkward and uh and god my my, this indie,
Speaker 1: this indie team show is just it's like everyone was
Speaker 1: in this constant as at this constant frequency of like discomfort,
Speaker 1: which is one thing that I'm like that I I
Speaker 1: still don't think we've like fully like I think I
Speaker 1: think there's just time with more time has to pass
Speaker 1: before we like realize why we were really all just
Speaker 1: like so like uneasy because it's so interesting. Well because
Speaker 1: I put I put the weight of the world on it.
Speaker 1: If I got on a team, it means I got reps,
Speaker 1: I can book things, I could be a series regular
Speaker 1: on a TV show. That's how big it was to me.
Speaker 1: If I got on a Herald team, it means I
Speaker 1: will get on a TV show. That's and that's all
Speaker 1: I wanted. It was like my way out. It was
Speaker 1: like it's a clear path with like steps in front
Speaker 1: of you, where it's like here you go, just get
Speaker 1: to this door, and once you open the door, all
Speaker 1: of Hollywood is going to cast you and everything and
Speaker 1: you'll have reps and people will believe in you and
Speaker 1: you'll be the cool thing. But that was only that
Speaker 1: was only true for like maybe a year and a half.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, all these people. I mean, look, it's
Speaker 1: been so so many years since this happened for me,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure for most people it's just like you
Speaker 1: now that we're out of it, you know, It's just
Speaker 1: it was a little toxic, and it's sad because really
Speaker 1: talented people thought that they were bad. I thought that
Speaker 1: they were not funny talented. You know what, though, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry really quick, everybody like not like so many people
Speaker 1: have the same story. And now I'm thinking, oh, it
Speaker 1: wasn't just me that felt like this. Sorry, what are
Speaker 1: you going to say? No, I was just gonna say
Speaker 1: I'm realizing now specifically why I fell into the UCB thing.
Speaker 1: And I do think it's this. This is the case
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, and this is gonna sound
Speaker 1: insane for me to say here, but I remember being
Speaker 1: so depressed when I was eighteen years old that I
Speaker 1: like got back to my room in college. I was closeted,
Speaker 1: I was like crying. I just was like not it
Speaker 1: was not happening for me in college. And I wanted
Speaker 1: so desperately as like a um, you know kid who
Speaker 1: grew up on Long Island, Like, I wanted to succeed
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry so badly, and I thought my
Speaker 1: skills aligned with Saturday Night Live. And so I remember
Speaker 1: I googled Amy Poehler in my lowest moment, and I
Speaker 1: saw everything she had done, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do exactly everything that she did to get to
Speaker 1: where she's at. And I got on my sketch team
Speaker 1: at college because she was on her improv team at
Speaker 1: at Boston College. And I saw that she had a
Speaker 1: thing called UCB and that's when I signed up for
Speaker 1: UCB classes because I thought, legitimately, I thought this is
Speaker 1: a pathway to get to Saturday Night Live. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's a lot of the way a lot
Speaker 1: of people think. And then once you get into the
Speaker 1: UCB community, there's different check marks that pop up because
Speaker 1: you're already headed toward a check mark. You know, when
Speaker 1: you're in your classes, everyone wants the same thing and
Speaker 1: we're all just trying to get on that house team,
Speaker 1: and so like you become competitive with people and it's
Speaker 1: like we started at the same time and now they're
Speaker 1: on a team and I'm not, or like, there's just
Speaker 1: like a lot, you know, and so I'm it was
Speaker 1: just yeah, it was I think it was that consistent discomfort,
Speaker 1: but it's like, why are we doing to reach to ourselves? Well,
Speaker 1: it's also kind of there's something fun about it though,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I had we all we all and run
Speaker 1: into each other and die, Oh my god, I would
Speaker 1: I would love god. I never experienced like an all
Speaker 1: team at it where everyone's well that I have like
Speaker 1: a DCM bit where it's just ending the whole time.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a show. But but there was a
Speaker 1: time I used to see sets that like ended Sometimes
Speaker 1: they just ended so perfectly that everyone would jump off
Speaker 1: the back line and I was like, oh, that has
Speaker 1: to feel so good. And I never like it's chasing
Speaker 1: that high. Yeah, I never. I never succeeded in improv
Speaker 1: I was more sketched. That was more my thing. But
Speaker 1: I remember like whenever the improv show would end and
Speaker 1: they'd all go backstage, I would always be like, I
Speaker 1: wonder what they're talking about. I wonder they're going to
Speaker 1: you know, because it's such a rare. It's a high
Speaker 1: when you have a great show and when you fucking
Speaker 1: crush it. You know you're crushing it, you just know it.
Speaker 1: It's everything's working and you just it's a high and
Speaker 1: there's just nothing like it. And I think that's another
Speaker 1: thing that kept people there, is chasing that high of
Speaker 1: of doing well and you just never knew if the
Speaker 1: stars were aligned that night. Sure, but perhaps one of
Speaker 1: those things where it just slipped. It's it's disposable whatever,
Speaker 1: but like those those those moments of glories just sort
Speaker 1: of slipped through your fingers and there's no actual sort
Speaker 1: of stuff like we're just or just actual like physical
Speaker 1: substance to them, um, because because how we're gonna like
Speaker 1: how are you gonna use this? But like where it's
Speaker 1: like it's like let's stay with like writing or with
Speaker 1: like you know, dog grooming. It's like, oh, like there
Speaker 1: are ways that you can develop these skills and track
Speaker 1: them very concretely, whereas improv was just a little was
Speaker 1: was so arbitrary, and then it just put you in
Speaker 1: it's it's it's this thing that puts you in your
Speaker 1: head the most I think Skid of any other I'll
Speaker 1: never forget watching I had met Bowen like my freshman
Speaker 1: year UM. But then I went to UM an improv
Speaker 1: show that Bone was doing in college, and I didn't
Speaker 1: really know Bowen super well like we had met like
Speaker 1: we did. We had went with mutual friends to one
Speaker 1: comedy show and then I remember I want to go
Speaker 1: see his improv team, Danger Box, and he came off
Speaker 1: the back line and he had she had a scene
Speaker 1: with in a future world the robots are the queens.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, so stupid, and I was
Speaker 1: just like I was. I was just like, this is
Speaker 1: like ter terrible improvment. But I was in the audience
Speaker 1: and I was screaming because he had such star energy.
Speaker 1: He was you are you are, you are, you are?
Speaker 1: But but Bowen like he just exploded off the stage
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, And I do
Speaker 1: I do think that there is something to that too.
Speaker 1: It's like when you see people that are so amazing.
Speaker 1: It makes you want to be involved in it too.
Speaker 1: And that's talk about this. We can't talk about that.
Speaker 1: Well I I will talk about it, um wait I
Speaker 1: do before we move on, I do want to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about scatter and revisor. Okay, um no, wait.
Speaker 1: Summarize these summarizes as the connective tissue as best as
Speaker 1: you can, Like how did one go? Thank God, I've
Speaker 1: never even thought about its set, Like, yeah I did,
Speaker 1: I did. I had the Betty Page haircut, I wore coppers,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I would just go to all the
Speaker 1: underground SKA shows and see these like bands. There used
Speaker 1: to be a club called the Alligator Lounge and it's
Speaker 1: like where the NewYork Theater is, like on Santa Monica
Speaker 1: off the four oh five. Like I would drive there,
Speaker 1: um but yeah, I would just I was just very
Speaker 1: I would go to all the show every weekend, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and just see all these little bands, date
Speaker 1: the guys. Um just be the groupies of the bands.
Speaker 1: I still would. Like there's a band called Hepcat and
Speaker 1: they were my favorite SKA band, like a hepatitis cut. Yes,
Speaker 1: but no, but if you if you ever are like
Speaker 1: in the mood for something fun and different. Checkout Hepcat. Um.
Speaker 1: Yeah they were a great band. And um, I don't so,
Speaker 1: I man, I don't even know what the threat is
Speaker 1: between SKA and being a raver. It seems like all
Speaker 1: three of these things are built on community, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you you're finding people who and like you're
Speaker 1: talking about like what you're seeing on stage or you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you're talking about some shared experience. It's so true.
Speaker 1: It's always like with a community. There's a community of
Speaker 1: ravers in a community of SKA people and improvisers. And
Speaker 1: it's not the thing. It's not the thing where you
Speaker 1: went from SCA into like solo archery or whatever. It
Speaker 1: was like a very like solitude thing. It was like
Speaker 1: you you went from like group to group and like
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, yeah, that's true. I need a family, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need I have. It's it's very clear to me.
Speaker 1: She wants to be in a community, she wants to move,
Speaker 1: and she wants to sweat, so you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: so basically all these things are connected. When you're involved
Speaker 1: in the scot community, not involved in the SCA community,
Speaker 1: you are involved in this community, and I actually, I actually,
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I attended one ska
Speaker 1: thing at a bowling alley and I skanked with the
Speaker 1: best of them, and I remember being so sweaty in
Speaker 1: my white T shirt and black jeans and I was
Speaker 1: just like really killing it and like I did not
Speaker 1: belong there at all, but I was like, this was
Speaker 1: so fun because it was like dancing, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like bumping grind, like I didn't have to be sexual.
Speaker 1: It was just like kind of like we're all kind
Speaker 1: of freaking out and doing our weird old thing. And
Speaker 1: then with a rave culture, it's like that's sort of
Speaker 1: there's sort of a progression there, you know. It was
Speaker 1: it like real big fish or was it like it
Speaker 1: was like real big fish? It was it was like
Speaker 1: it was like you know, commercial Scott. It was sort
Speaker 1: of like commercial Yeah. Yeah. I was like very into
Speaker 1: like the old Jamaican ska and like authentic Desmond Decker
Speaker 1: and yeah, Phyllis Dillon and the Toots and the may
Speaker 1: Tolls like that kind of yeah, oh yeah, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: But that's like that's where I became a ska music nerd,
Speaker 1: where I would just really get into like the old
Speaker 1: traditional ska music and then like do you guys know
Speaker 1: the bands like the Specials and Madness from the eighties. Okay,
Speaker 1: so like yeah, I was just There's and then became
Speaker 1: like real big fish and like those big less than
Speaker 1: Jake and Mighty Much tones. Gwen Stefani would perform. She
Speaker 1: did songs with Sublime back in the day. There, you know,
Speaker 1: No doubt really started off as like one of these
Speaker 1: smaller bands that came up when I was into ska.
Speaker 1: Then now like you know, she's a pop star. But right, so, um,
Speaker 1: what do you feel about Gwen Stefani? Now, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I like her. I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't listen to a ton of her music, but
Speaker 1: I love you know, she's an icon. I don't know,
Speaker 1: She's definitely an icon. Is what I mean to say,
Speaker 1: is like, well, no, no, not that it's okay. What
Speaker 1: it's like her her and Blake Shelton like hanging out
Speaker 1: with like Paul Ryan at Ski launches and it's like
Speaker 1: that thing where's like, oh, she's like she's horseshoe theory
Speaker 1: herself from being very punk aesthetic into being like this
Speaker 1: conservative woman yeah. Yeah, I mean I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: it seems like she's devolving and it's her journey love
Speaker 1: and light to Gwen, she's doing a thing. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: certainly is. Yes, she certainly is. Talk about very briefly
Speaker 1: your experience at the dc M party space, if that
Speaker 1: were you, I was a ho. Yes, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be drunk as fuck, stoned as fuck, getting disgusting in
Speaker 1: that basement hallway under Gustid's just just like hooking up
Speaker 1: with the grossest, sweatiest improvisers, dancing in midnight shows on stage,
Speaker 1: taking off my clothes, just being a loon. The things
Speaker 1: that I did in that space. I once ate a
Speaker 1: carrot that had been in John Gemberling's ass, No, my god,
Speaker 1: what I ate it off the ground. So basically he
Speaker 1: had done a disgusting Yeah, he had like put a
Speaker 1: carrot in his in his underwear, and then like I guess,
Speaker 1: the carrot came out and I was so wasted in
Speaker 1: the improv scene after that, I came out and like
Speaker 1: I was doing it, and then I was like dancing
Speaker 1: and the crowd was like screaming and they were like,
Speaker 1: eat the carrot, eat the carrol, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: you want to eat this carrot and they're like, yes, slut,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna eat it. And I
Speaker 1: ate the carrot off the ground and I thought and
Speaker 1: they were screaming. They were screaming, and they were like
Speaker 1: they were like, oh my god. And I thought, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're really freaking out that I eat this carrot off
Speaker 1: the ground. And I'll never forget James asshole floor. James
Speaker 1: Twire looked me in the eyes afterwards and he goes, Dude,
Speaker 1: that carrot was in Gemberling's ass and I was like,
Speaker 1: uh what, And I remember I just like could feel
Speaker 1: the carrot in my stomach. No, I didn't, and I
Speaker 1: just moved on. I moved on from that. I like
Speaker 1: went on and you know, did a new drug probably,
Speaker 1: But then years later he would be the star of
Speaker 1: broad City. Should we tell the readers what DCM is.
Speaker 1: Dell close. It's like a huge We've talked about it
Speaker 1: before in the past, but you don't know. If you
Speaker 1: don't know, now you know, it's like Douchlas Marathon is
Speaker 1: like essentially Woodstock for improvisers every year, or at least
Speaker 1: it was twenty four hours for three days straight. Five
Speaker 1: AM shows shows every fifteen minutes and you don't sleep
Speaker 1: and you're disgusting and it's horrible. But the biggest comedians
Speaker 1: and that are like related to improv in the world
Speaker 1: come and do it. I mean Del Close was like
Speaker 1: essentially the sentence of improv and he was like that.
Speaker 1: He was like a godlike figure and improv which is problematic,
Speaker 1: but you know he he in his image was Delas
Speaker 1: Marathon was created and it was essentially like a festival
Speaker 1: for three days, and I remember it always fell on
Speaker 1: Pride weekend in New York. Yeah, it was bad, which
Speaker 1: was a nightmare right China Cross Town during Pride in
Speaker 1: New York. Forget it, forget it. But just like for
Speaker 1: gay improvisers, that was like there was too much. There's
Speaker 1: too much stuff. Yeah, um but yeah, I mean some
Speaker 1: some great horrible memories from I mean like those bit
Speaker 1: shows were a wild You had diaper Baby where everyone
Speaker 1: would come out and these men would come out in diapers.
Speaker 1: Um you, I mean there was just so much. I
Speaker 1: remember there was one where I think Matt and I
Speaker 1: un I did something where people had to drink milk,
Speaker 1: Like every scene it was milk and peppers. Peers. It
Speaker 1: was you had to you had to eat a hot
Speaker 1: pepper and while you were doing a scene, and the
Speaker 1: peppers were so hot, and then you there was milk
Speaker 1: there to like stop the spice, and you had to
Speaker 1: do this scene without drinking the milk. That was the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Milk and peppers. Milk and peppers. And we
Speaker 1: also did we we did. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: were in this one, but me and Josh and Aaron
Speaker 1: and Pat and a bunch of people and Brian Foston.
Speaker 1: It was like it was all gays and we were
Speaker 1: all pretending we were from Boston and calling each other faggot.
Speaker 1: It was just fifteen minutes of Boston gays calling each
Speaker 1: other faggot. And that was it, And that was that
Speaker 1: was a show. It was all gayt being like yeah,
Speaker 1: just like and it was just like comedy people. Some
Speaker 1: readers will not like that, but I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to tell you. It's a part of
Speaker 1: comedy history. Um. The things that I ended up doing
Speaker 1: during DCM, I got my dick sucked on the Street's
Speaker 1: not the first time, I know, the first and only
Speaker 1: time on Eighth Avenue at like two in the morning,
Speaker 1: I off grinder, I like looked up with the sky
Speaker 1: on the street traffic, like, did you tell in front
Speaker 1: of God and gristus? Wow, I'm not kidding. It was dark.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't think so honey, it's time for
Speaker 1: it now. I don't think so honey. What is it?
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. Is our segment where we
Speaker 1: each take one minute to really get angry about something
Speaker 1: in culture. Wouldn't you say? I would say it starts
Speaker 1: take one minute to rail something, get so mad we
Speaker 1: rail it like like you're on eighth Avenue. A U. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I have something that I alluded to before. Kay,
Speaker 1: that's right, and I can't wait to hear it. Right,
Speaker 1: So we'll go with We'll go Matt and me and
Speaker 1: then we'll do Jess. Yeah. Perfect, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many as time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. The marriage of Michael Darby and
Speaker 1: Ashley Darby. This has to end, Ashley. No, And honestly,
Speaker 1: I think I get what you're going for here, which
Speaker 1: is you wanted to get pregnant again so that you're
Speaker 1: your daughter could have a sibling because your sibling is
Speaker 1: important to you. I understand that, But Babe, the husband's
Speaker 1: gotta go. Now that you have, you have your family,
Speaker 1: your daughter has like gonna have their sibling. You gotta go, girl,
Speaker 1: because he is bad. Nu. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Michael Darby. I don't believe the thing that you say
Speaker 1: about not sleeping with these women. You grabbed and you
Speaker 1: grabbed the asses and assaulted member of the Potoma cruise,
Speaker 1: something that's for some reason does not get discussed anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Him. I don't think so, honey, Ashley,
Speaker 1: Now that you know better, because foolmy once, shame on you,
Speaker 1: fool me twice, shame on me. Honey. You need to
Speaker 1: know this phrase because you're about to get full to
Speaker 1: the third time. And I know that you keep saying
Speaker 1: you're not afraid to leave. Michael, it seems like you are.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. You need to buck up.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. Now. Your husband is bad for Ashley.
Speaker 1: It's foolmy once, shame on you, fool me twice, still
Speaker 1: shame on you. She clearly does not know she doesn't
Speaker 1: know the phrase, because if she didn't know the phrase,
Speaker 1: she would know that she is getting rode hard and
Speaker 1: put away wet by her husband publicly. And I can't
Speaker 1: believe the scene in Potomac, which was them at dinner
Speaker 1: discussing their business and then he was like, we're done,
Speaker 1: We're done, and the producer came over and the fourth
Speaker 1: wall was broken yet again on a real housewife show,
Speaker 1: and she was just like, obviously through with it. And
Speaker 1: I think that she doesn't. She doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: in this marriage at all. I think I think she
Speaker 1: wanted her kid to have a sibling because it's I
Speaker 1: think she feels it's important, but she needs to get
Speaker 1: out of that marriage. She loves her half sister, and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't. I don't necessarily think that she
Speaker 1: feels that like it's a more legitimate siblinghood for these
Speaker 1: kids to have the same parents. I think that it's
Speaker 1: so clearly, clearly fucked up. Michael's answering the phone as
Speaker 1: if she's a nuisance, even though he's only ever been
Speaker 1: in the wrong. It's like, this guy is one of
Speaker 1: the most vile human beings. Oh, he's one of the
Speaker 1: worst people on television. And it's it's it's really getting
Speaker 1: to the point now where not as good as Ramona Singer.
Speaker 1: He's unfortunately Remona singer still takes the cake. I want
Speaker 1: her to die alone. As I said, well she, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and say I'm if it's team Michael
Speaker 1: versus Team Ramona, I'm team Ramona. I I don't think
Speaker 1: Michael Darby is permissible. I Ramon Ramona is maybe a
Speaker 1: white supremacist. She keeps tiki torches in her garage. I
Speaker 1: hope Andy asked you a about all your claims against
Speaker 1: Ramona and I actually I would love to pop off
Speaker 1: of that. Ramona. I would love to disappointed that you're
Speaker 1: not on an episode of Watch What Happens Live with
Speaker 1: Ramona because I think I would love to be. I
Speaker 1: would love to be in the future. I would love
Speaker 1: to be on an episode with ms Ramona Singer. Would
Speaker 1: your business? Yes? Really? Oh God? Okay? So basically the
Speaker 1: three is Me, Bowen and Joel, and Joel was on
Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live with Miss Kenya Moore herself. Bowen
Speaker 1: is about to be on with Monique Samuel's and I
Speaker 1: am putting into the universe that one day when I
Speaker 1: get booked on Watch What Happens Live. God willing, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I just want to be with a housewife.
Speaker 1: I want to be with a housewife. It's gonna happen. Well,
Speaker 1: I want to be It's my favorite show. When Bowen
Speaker 1: said he was gonna be honest, I immediately was like
Speaker 1: I was popping off. I was like, Okay, well it
Speaker 1: might be Robin because she hasn't been on yet, and
Speaker 1: well you know Candice, she's coming on. And so I
Speaker 1: watched it every night. I love watching Happens Live. I'm
Speaker 1: such a Brava holic. You're a Brava holic. I was
Speaker 1: I was gonna be happy with any of the Potomac women,
Speaker 1: and I said that in my response back. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'd love to do it, especially if it was if
Speaker 1: it's with the Potomac Housewife and so out of you
Speaker 1: that you got booked on it, thank you girl, but Matt.
Speaker 1: But Matt was like, it's either gonna be, it's gonna be.
Speaker 1: The options are Wendy, Uh, Monique, or Robin Queen. And
Speaker 1: I was like, any of them might be so happy.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of disappointed that you're not on with Wendy
Speaker 1: because I think that become friends, me and Wendy, we
Speaker 1: can talk about like our immigrant parents. You know, I
Speaker 1: was thinking of during this episode. I was like, there's
Speaker 1: so many similarities. I know. I love Wendy a sef
Speaker 1: of a lot. Anyway, so we're we're talking a lot
Speaker 1: of potomac I have I haven't. I don't think so honey. Okay,
Speaker 1: So traditionally, after I do my I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: bow and Yang will do his. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: And that tradition is upheld tonight because it is time
Speaker 1: for Bowen Yang's. I don't think so honey. On this
Speaker 1: the episode of Just Rhona on Losrestas, as I get
Speaker 1: my camera, all right, here we go, you're I don't think,
Speaker 1: so honey. Time starts from now. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Cooking it's messy, it's hard, it's inconvenient, it's we we
Speaker 1: all sort of accepted as part of our lives, even
Speaker 1: with restaurants, even with ordering delivery. Cooking. I can't believe
Speaker 1: that it's a necessary part of our There should be
Speaker 1: readily edible food growing off trees in the parks, in
Speaker 1: the grass, stuff that's not just bananas and fruits and vegetables, meals.
Speaker 1: Meals should be kind of coming from the dirty. Capitalism
Speaker 1: has driven us to a place of disgusting surplus. Why
Speaker 1: are we not abolishing cooking? We should have ready made
Speaker 1: food available to us at all times on demand. Cooking
Speaker 1: today I made a baked zita was so difficult, and
Speaker 1: the process of collecting ingredients. Make sure the dishes were
Speaker 1: washed before you cook. Then after you took you get
Speaker 1: dirty dishes and you gotta clean those dishes all over again.
Speaker 1: It's a Sissyphian task to cook because guess what, you're
Speaker 1: going to have to do it again because you got
Speaker 1: to eat. And that's one minute. That was a gorgeous
Speaker 1: dressing down and also explanation of cooking for all. Yes,
Speaker 1: the applause is loud and raucous. Um disagreed with. And
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anymore. All of a sudden, Hans
Speaker 1: team met. It's probably because I called him hot earlier
Speaker 1: in the chat. He looked really hot today. Um, but listen,
Speaker 1: I identify with you girl. You know I'm not a
Speaker 1: fan of the stuff. No, you don't like to cook,
Speaker 1: my we're two sisters. We don't like to cook. We're
Speaker 1: two sisters. Who don't like to cook. It's really cook
Speaker 1: A number thirty two were two sisters who don't like
Speaker 1: to cook. I love watching cooking videos. I love food culture.
Speaker 1: I love watching other people cook. I don't like doing it.
Speaker 1: A sense Podma is not gonna like this, Well, no,
Speaker 1: I would. I love watching Podma cook in her kitchen.
Speaker 1: I like watching her make a dose. Though I love
Speaker 1: watching her do anything I do. I don't like looking
Speaker 1: for me when we have Podma again. I would like
Speaker 1: the podcast episode to be us cooking with Podma. I
Speaker 1: want to figure out how we can do that. We
Speaker 1: can do it. We can in the ingredients list, in
Speaker 1: the Great After when COVID is less of a concern. Okay,
Speaker 1: so Hans says she's gonna send he's gonna send her
Speaker 1: that clip. Well, I think we can make it happen.
Speaker 1: Podma is down to clown Jess thoughts on cooking. I
Speaker 1: really see your argument, because you know, you have to
Speaker 1: clean the dishes, and then you got and then you
Speaker 1: cook and then guess what, you got to clean the
Speaker 1: dishes again. So it's hard, and and you know what
Speaker 1: a big z D that's that's really it's an advanced dish.
Speaker 1: So um, but I'm I'm totally with you. Fuck it.
Speaker 1: You know what, Get take out cooking is a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1: It's actually cycle. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It's cycle.
Speaker 1: And I'm really grateful that you two are are receiving
Speaker 1: this and hearing me and giving me. I receive and
Speaker 1: I hear. Um. I can't wait for this. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey, you're ready because this one. I know
Speaker 1: this one. I fucking know this one. I know so,
Speaker 1: she said. Out of the two segments, the cultural moment
Speaker 1: that was for me she was uneasy about. But I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. She was because it's really the
Speaker 1: only thing that means anything to me. Okay, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: this is Jess rohnas I don't think so honey, and
Speaker 1: her time starts now. Okay, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Walking your dog on hot asphalt Okay. People don't realize
Speaker 1: that when you go to a flea market, if you
Speaker 1: go to a farmer's market, guess what. It's on the street.
Speaker 1: It's in a parking lot and your dog is lowered
Speaker 1: to the ground, which means your dog is hot. I'm
Speaker 1: a groomer, so I've seen dogs with burned pads because
Speaker 1: people don't not that bad. But people don't realize that
Speaker 1: just because it's like maybe sevre, it's it's breeze, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that your dog is not panting its ass
Speaker 1: off overheating. I almost can't go to a farmer's market
Speaker 1: or flea market because I get so upset when I
Speaker 1: see people walking their dogs on asphalt. Stay in the shade,
Speaker 1: keep your dog home if it's more than seventy five
Speaker 1: degrees outside, don't take your dog to the flea market
Speaker 1: or the farmer's market or anywhere on the hot asphalt.
Speaker 1: Listen to your dog, watch your dog, don't do it.
Speaker 1: You know what. And she truly, Jess truly will get
Speaker 1: on the It's amazing and I can't reorme for people
Speaker 1: to see it in the show, but she will get
Speaker 1: on the level of the dog and the dogs. The
Speaker 1: dogs will immediately settle. It's so I've watched videos of
Speaker 1: Jess with with these doodle mixes, with these and these
Speaker 1: doodles like and she she is very attuned to how
Speaker 1: they're feeling. She's like, I'm gonna i' we're gonna, We're
Speaker 1: gonna give the facial and they're not gonna understand what's happening,
Speaker 1: but you gotta let them sort of like you know
Speaker 1: that it's okay. And I'm just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this woman knows how dogs think. Can you do a
Speaker 1: little bit about how do you communicate with dogs? Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I communicate well, you mean, like just in general,
Speaker 1: how anyone can do it, or just me particularly So
Speaker 1: for me, I look for opportunities from the dog to
Speaker 1: respond to. So what I do is I'm just extremely
Speaker 1: focused on any nuance in their behavior, and it's something
Speaker 1: that's become second nature to me. So if a dog
Speaker 1: shies away from something, I know that that they're unsure
Speaker 1: of me or they're not trusting in in like if
Speaker 1: I want to Usually it's when dogs um when I
Speaker 1: comb up on their paws, because if they have any
Speaker 1: tangles in between their toes, that's a painful spot. Some
Speaker 1: spots are more painful. So for me, I communicate with
Speaker 1: them by looking for moments opportunities to respond by being
Speaker 1: gentle and so I can show them I see you,
Speaker 1: I know you don't like this. Watch how I've got
Speaker 1: your back watch. I'm gonna go really slow and gentle
Speaker 1: and show you that I see you. And once a
Speaker 1: dog or human feels like they're seen and heard, they're
Speaker 1: calm m. It's just for anybody. So if you can
Speaker 1: just and find any way to show someone that you
Speaker 1: see them and that they are understood, it's it's that's
Speaker 1: that's the approach of communication with dogs. And it's taken
Speaker 1: me twenty years to get to that point. That is amazing.
Speaker 1: And I will say, like it's true like every because
Speaker 1: the dogs come in and you know, it's a big set,
Speaker 1: is a lot of people around, and also many dogs
Speaker 1: are not always comfortable being groomed. Like every dog has
Speaker 1: a different relationship to that process. You know, not every
Speaker 1: dog has been groomed since they were a baby or
Speaker 1: like you know, so and there was kind of a
Speaker 1: mixed back with the dogs that came into the show,
Speaker 1: And so that was something that you kept saying to
Speaker 1: the groomers, was you know, even though it's high stakes
Speaker 1: in it's the competition, like you always did put the
Speaker 1: emphasis on listening to the dog, giving the dog what
Speaker 1: they want, you know what I mean, which I was
Speaker 1: so impressed by and I had never thought like and
Speaker 1: also what can happen when you raise your voice around
Speaker 1: or at a dog like that is not the way
Speaker 1: to always discipline or get its attention. Yeah, totally for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm just like beautiful. I was very selfishly as a grimmer.
Speaker 1: If my dog is happy, my job is easier. So
Speaker 1: I've done everything I can to learn how to call
Speaker 1: the dog so that I can have a nicer day
Speaker 1: and not have to fight or you know. Look, dogs
Speaker 1: are avoidant. That that's what they do. They just avoid us.
Speaker 1: They don't want to, you know, their nails trimmed or whatever.
Speaker 1: So if I can work with a dog that is avoidant,
Speaker 1: then I can have an easier time, an easier day.
Speaker 1: Wait till you see these dogs in the Happy Hoodies,
Speaker 1: which are these little hoodies that they that the dog.
Speaker 1: They put around the dog's head so that when the
Speaker 1: blow dryer as loud, it's not as loud. They are
Speaker 1: really really cute. You're gonna love this show. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Like and people flip for dogs, like
Speaker 1: even for people who aren't dog people. It's like no,
Speaker 1: Like dogs like are are powerful sort of like media
Speaker 1: like like like sort of teasers, like they they'll they'll
Speaker 1: draw you into something. I was telling Matt this Like
Speaker 1: I used to work on this at the e commerce site,
Speaker 1: and like any time there would be options where there
Speaker 1: would be a photo with a dog or not a dog,
Speaker 1: every single time they would be like you have to
Speaker 1: have to have to include the dog because it drives
Speaker 1: up like engagement by really just love dogs. And so
Speaker 1: I think this will be a hit. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be I cannot I'm gonna watch every single episode
Speaker 1: in one setting. I cannot wait, and I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rewatch them because I think it's it'll be
Speaker 1: that kind of show. I'm really excited. And like I
Speaker 1: said today, like um, we did get to watch the
Speaker 1: first episode and it so much fun, and the show
Speaker 1: is I would say, if I had to break it
Speaker 1: down into third it's like a third comedy with the panel,
Speaker 1: it's a third dog grooming process and learning about that,
Speaker 1: and it's a third narratives about these amazing contestants who
Speaker 1: are really great and we have such an amazing diverse
Speaker 1: group of groomers. And I was actually wanted to say,
Speaker 1: like it was so fun to see there was not
Speaker 1: one groomer that I felt like was duplicated, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, we didn't have so different. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the the the dog grooming community is so diverse and
Speaker 1: different and dynamic, and I love this. I love this.
Speaker 1: Before we end, I just want to know, like, how
Speaker 1: involved were you and picking the contestants? Not I wasn't
Speaker 1: really in charge of casting. I would just send casting
Speaker 1: my friends or groomers that I think are good. But
Speaker 1: I every um every episode I would be I would
Speaker 1: I was handed some cards and that's the first time
Speaker 1: I would see who was on the show. So I
Speaker 1: didn't know who was on the show until we shot.
Speaker 1: And some people I knew and I was so excited
Speaker 1: to see them, and then some people I didn't know.
Speaker 1: And I was really surprised at the skill and the
Speaker 1: different techniques and the innovation that the like the the
Speaker 1: inventions that they would come up with because they all
Speaker 1: had to deal with a theme, and like how would
Speaker 1: they embrace that theme? That was really fun. And the accessories,
Speaker 1: that's that was more of Robbin's whole thing, where she
Speaker 1: either loved or hate the accessories. And you know, we
Speaker 1: never knew what we were going to get with Robin. Well,
Speaker 1: Robin loves the tales and she loves to talk about
Speaker 1: the tales and she always loves to, you know, talk
Speaker 1: about the worthiness of different accessories that are on the
Speaker 1: animal and the colors and because that's that's another thing
Speaker 1: is a lot of the dogs like they get colored.
Speaker 1: And so this is something that I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of people know, is that I certainly didn't know that,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I didn't. But it's really, really
Speaker 1: really amazing to see what these people do. They're really
Speaker 1: artists and they're some people that are coming and they
Speaker 1: really represented themselves amazingly on the show, and so I'm
Speaker 1: super excited about it. I'm so excited to watch. I really,
Speaker 1: I'm over here just like I wanted to be Thursday.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. Wow, name another legend, name another letter,
Speaker 1: name another legend. Jess, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: I mean I knew the second I met you. I
Speaker 1: was like, I couldn't wait to have you on, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I could not say enough about how lovely
Speaker 1: I think you are and how talented I think you are,
Speaker 1: and how much I appreciate you putting your whole spirit
Speaker 1: and just like your good vibe into this show because
Speaker 1: I do think that it's going to make people really happy,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's like, you know, it's an
Speaker 1: opportunity for me, yes, but I think for like everyone
Speaker 1: to just like take a break and watch this thing,
Speaker 1: because I think one thing that everyone in this world
Speaker 1: hasn't comeon is like, you know, that feeling of seeing
Speaker 1: a happy little dog like you know, do its thing.
Speaker 1: I just think it's going to make people feel really
Speaker 1: good right now when people really want to feel really good.
Speaker 1: And so that's because of you and because of well who.
Speaker 1: The show wouldn't exist without your without you doing what
Speaker 1: you do. So I want to thank you, and um,
Speaker 1: I want everyone to watch Hot Dog, which is premiering
Speaker 1: with six episodes tonight at midnight a K eight tomorrow
Speaker 1: UM September, and there will be six more episodes before
Speaker 1: the end of the year TBD. But yes, this is
Speaker 1: a twelve episode first season and we are so excited
Speaker 1: to show him. So that's episode with the song that's
Speaker 1: kidding Well, that's actually a good live We didn't even
Speaker 1: talk about gods new video and to hear the rest
Speaker 1: of that, you can listen to a Lady Guy Guys
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