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Speaker 1: of the media team. But David Hellman back for the
Speaker 1: second straight day. We liked you so much we invited
Speaker 1: you back. Thanks Kyle, it was I'm trying to match
Speaker 1: your energy right now. I don't know how. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you do this nine am show every day. Man.
Speaker 1: Me and Barry are like, oh, hold on, you gotta
Speaker 1: get a little coffee and you get up a little
Speaker 1: early and get a run in. I didn't get a
Speaker 1: run in. I'll tell you that all my plant, like
Speaker 1: all my I got like a regimented routine, like because
Speaker 1: our shows not till like ten thirty. So I do
Speaker 1: the workout. I come in and then when I knew
Speaker 1: I was on the nine o'clock show, I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, all that's out the one. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll be here. I just get to work and worry
Speaker 1: about the rest of it later. I guess be here
Speaker 1: in body, sometimes in mind and figure it out. But
Speaker 1: we've also got Barried Church. Yes, sir, what's going on? Man?
Speaker 1: Nothing much? How are you amazing? Man's first date here
Speaker 1: on was this talking Kyle. You gotta remember like show good? No,
Speaker 1: see that you don't though, Barry's just like, give me
Speaker 1: the microphone. We'll see what I gotta matter. He's on
Speaker 1: a couple of the helmet approach. Man. I love it. Yes,
Speaker 1: Now we don't have Danny McCray today. We had a
Speaker 1: scheduling conflict. Is ultimately why Danny is not available. He'll
Speaker 1: be on the later show. You were on Hanging On
Speaker 1: Hanging with the Boys yesterday. Yeah, yes, some day. So
Speaker 1: we just flip flop Berry and Danny and then we
Speaker 1: still got Danny represented with the Survivor T shirt on
Speaker 1: so tonight season forty one, the music in the background,
Speaker 1: Here we go, There we go, Team Danny. Man, let's
Speaker 1: see what he can do. I hope he only kicked on.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a chance. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: I hope not. You know, there's some shady people. Have
Speaker 1: y'all been watching it? Y's some real shady cats. But
Speaker 1: I guess you gotta be that way, you know, going
Speaker 1: into that Survivator game, I would get my ass kicked
Speaker 1: so bad. Oh, you and me both. I can't strategize
Speaker 1: like that. You would just tell everybody I got im
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, this is what I'm gonna do, or
Speaker 1: like whatever. Like I don't even know how to like
Speaker 1: play people like that. I couldn't if I thought you
Speaker 1: was my boy man bad. Yeah it took a personal Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think most of us would. And we'll see what
Speaker 1: Danny's able to do tonight. On about the fight counsel,
Speaker 1: I'm flipping everything. We're not doing. Goodness, all right, We've
Speaker 1: got some some news to catch up on surrounding the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and it's not the news you want to hear. Uh, yesterday.
Speaker 1: Word comes down that Damante Kazy was arrested Tuesday morning,
Speaker 1: and I don't really want to get into the details
Speaker 1: of the charges unless you want to go that direction.
Speaker 1: D WI. And it's a very I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: classic bye week stuff. You know, you get days off
Speaker 1: of work, you don't have practice, you don't have the routine.
Speaker 1: You want to let off some steam. Uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean that that is that's that's all
Speaker 1: we got is d WI charge I think is a
Speaker 1: misdemeanor first offense whatever. I mean, that part's not really important.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens to him. It's just not funny. Funny,
Speaker 1: it's not the right word. But like the fact that
Speaker 1: on Monday night, like literally by week, literally like the
Speaker 1: first day that you could possibly get into some mischief.
Speaker 1: There we go there it is boom, It hits you
Speaker 1: right there and you hate to see it. You know,
Speaker 1: you hate to see it. You know mistakes were made
Speaker 1: out there, and um, you know it's just when the
Speaker 1: spotlight's on you like this, you know, with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: being the star, you know, everybody's gonna have their spotlight
Speaker 1: on you. You just gotta be more careful. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's a simple asswer to it. Just got to
Speaker 1: be more careful. There's ubers out there, there's backup players, cars,
Speaker 1: there's you know, transportation available, so if you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a couple beverages out there, just you know,
Speaker 1: playing accordingly. Yeah, there's really no excuse to it. You
Speaker 1: get there's so many resources. And whether you play for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys or not, I mean that's that's one thing
Speaker 1: you can't afford to do, is go out there and
Speaker 1: drink and drive. I don't. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: a complete hypocrite. And by that I just like I'm
Speaker 1: not a saint. I've done I've made mistakes too. Every Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, man, the NFL puts every resource in front
Speaker 1: of you to not let this happen. Like there's literally
Speaker 1: a number that they give you that you call and say, hey,
Speaker 1: it's me, I'm with you know, I need a ride
Speaker 1: like that. The NFL does that for its players free
Speaker 1: of charge, which I think is amazing. That's fantastic, good,
Speaker 1: good idea by the NFL, which I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't say very often, but you gotta take advantage of it, man,
Speaker 1: And I mean, like again, I've made mistakes in my life,
Speaker 1: and like me, the broke sports writers like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't want to uber all the way back across town
Speaker 1: and get my car tomorrow. But like I think, if
Speaker 1: I made NFL money, I think I'd be all right, Well,
Speaker 1: you'll be able to get that, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: like I said, mistakes were me and hopefully he learns
Speaker 1: from it. Sucks. Yeah, I'm and you know, there's no
Speaker 1: more there's no more availability this week. It's the bye week,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure Jerry or Stephen Jones is going to
Speaker 1: be asked about it at some point this week. Um,
Speaker 1: I really, I don't remember the precedent for like discipline.
Speaker 1: Like technically you could say he's in violation of the
Speaker 1: league's personal conduct policy. They could suspend him. But as
Speaker 1: we were talking, I'm about before the show, sometimes the
Speaker 1: wheels of NFL justice turned very slowly. So I really
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he has to miss time. I don't know if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will impose discipline on him. You ever, Bury, do
Speaker 1: you ever remember somebody getting like suspended by the team
Speaker 1: for doing something? Not like that. I remember getting a
Speaker 1: lot of fines, like some people will get fines and
Speaker 1: stuff like that of that nature. But as far as
Speaker 1: getting suspended for something like this, I haven't seen it
Speaker 1: unless it was like, you know, like a car crash
Speaker 1: or something like that happened. But you know, just getting
Speaker 1: a DWI. I'm not sure if anybody's ever got suspended.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's rare for the team to suspend
Speaker 1: it exactly, you know, like it goes to the NFL
Speaker 1: or something like that. So it's a wait and see.
Speaker 1: It's it's unfortunate, and like I said, it's just it's
Speaker 1: kind of ironic that literally one night into the first
Speaker 1: week off of the year, and hopefully nothing else happens
Speaker 1: like this throughout the rest of the year. Maybe this
Speaker 1: one gets it out of the way. Let's start with
Speaker 1: the week, let's get out, let's get through the knock
Speaker 1: this weekend out. Uh. So, I know you said you
Speaker 1: didn't remember the total president in terms of potential NFL discipline,
Speaker 1: But what is that normally range for if it isn't
Speaker 1: indeed a violation of a conduct policy. I gotta be
Speaker 1: honest with you, like case by case, for all the
Speaker 1: jokes about how the Cowboys can't stay out of trouble.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. Okay, actually I do. Um, Nolan Carroll
Speaker 1: had this happened to him? Were you still here? And
Speaker 1: I was gone? I was my first year in Jackson
Speaker 1: when Yeah, Nolan Carroll had that happened to him in
Speaker 1: the off season, And I don't he didn't miss, he
Speaker 1: wasn't suspended. I think he had to go through the
Speaker 1: whole process and again it dragged out like there wasn't
Speaker 1: resolution for a few months. So uh, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really have a good idea of what the press.
Speaker 1: I wonder, can they put you in the program for that?
Speaker 1: I wonder, because you know, I don't could do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wouldn't want to speculate. I don't know. Um.
Speaker 1: I Like I said, I think Jerry Jones usually talks
Speaker 1: on Fridays with the one oh five three the fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll be asked about this man. Maybe there
Speaker 1: will be some clarity that he'll probably have a much
Speaker 1: better idea than we do. Something that says first offense
Speaker 1: NFL Substance Abuse Policy, DUI one game. Okay, that's I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if he eventually had to miss a
Speaker 1: game because of this. I don't know if it would
Speaker 1: be Minnesota or somewhere down the line, but just something
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. Well, I promised this to
Speaker 1: transfer the CBA. By the way, Okay, thanks, thank you,
Speaker 1: bean Uh. This is this was planned prior to the news,
Speaker 1: so I don't think that this transition was planned off
Speaker 1: of Demante Kyz. But of course, since we have a
Speaker 1: safety in studio, yes, I want to talk a little safety. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to talk and see what have you seen
Speaker 1: through the first six weeks of the season that is
Speaker 1: a positive from the safety position. We'll get to the
Speaker 1: negative here in a minute. And what is something that
Speaker 1: stood out to you in terms of those guys? Curse
Speaker 1: Man Curse has stood out to me a lot so far.
Speaker 1: Um And I thought this guy coming in from Detroit,
Speaker 1: you know, he was a special teams guy primarily up there,
Speaker 1: so I thought he was just going to come in
Speaker 1: to be one of those core special teams guys maybe
Speaker 1: help out here and there. But I've been surprisingly impressed
Speaker 1: by his play, especially as man and man ability. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy is a bigger guy. You know, he's six four,
Speaker 1: He's a slender guy, but he's a big dude that's
Speaker 1: usually not able to move as quick as m most
Speaker 1: smaller safeties are. But he's able to go out there
Speaker 1: and move with all the all the all the tight
Speaker 1: ends out there. We've seen him lock up Cook out there.
Speaker 1: WHI should have been an interception. I mean, the guy is,
Speaker 1: he's doing all the things right, and he's playing in
Speaker 1: the box well well better than anybody I've seen lately.
Speaker 1: So to me, he's playing extremely well. Kazy, he's doing
Speaker 1: a couple of things good back there in the hole.
Speaker 1: Needs to work on his angles, but we'll get to
Speaker 1: that a little bit later. And you know, Wilson back
Speaker 1: and he's coming back. You know he's coming back. He
Speaker 1: provides that hammer back there as well. So I think
Speaker 1: this is the deepest the safety unit has been in
Speaker 1: an extremely long time. It's ridiculous. One guy goes down,
Speaker 1: the other guy comes in and plays extremely well. So
Speaker 1: it just goes to this team as a whole. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a deep team right now, and that's what
Speaker 1: you need going forward. I actually walking in here, I
Speaker 1: saw Darry and Thompson doing rehab work out on the field.
Speaker 1: Completely forgot ye Yeah, then I haven't heard that name, right,
Speaker 1: so they already have, which nobody would prefer darry and
Speaker 1: Thompson to be playing a lot of safety snaps. But
Speaker 1: it's just it's another body and a very key special teamer.
Speaker 1: So you add that to what's already on the roster.
Speaker 1: Israel Mquamu is still there. They got like six guys
Speaker 1: that you feel pretty damn good about. It's I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's shocking to me. I'm still trying to process
Speaker 1: it because coming into the season, I'm thinking, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, who we got to say? We're gonna have
Speaker 1: Wilson in there, CAZy, but he's coming off an injury
Speaker 1: and then I don't know what he can provide back there.
Speaker 1: And I say this on Cowboys Break all the time,
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry if you're listening and you've heard me,
Speaker 1: But like, I follow the money when the team adds
Speaker 1: a guy, like I look at what they give you,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what they're willing to pay you says
Speaker 1: what they think of you exactly in my opinion. And
Speaker 1: they gave Kazy, Curse and Hooker combined. The guarantees, not
Speaker 1: the deals, but the guarantees were a million dollars told combine, fine, dude,
Speaker 1: Casey's deal. Casey's deal came with like a one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty thousand dollars guarantee, which is like nothing by
Speaker 1: the NFL investments. And so I'm saying and so like
Speaker 1: all through the off season, I was like, Okay, like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys clearly don't have a ton of confidence. That's
Speaker 1: just going to work out, and it's working out big time.
Speaker 1: And kind of going along those same points is going
Speaker 1: back to what Barry said a moment ago is in
Speaker 1: the off season, you looked around and you said, Okay,
Speaker 1: who's this kazy guy. Oh, he could do a couple
Speaker 1: things because he's been with Dan Quinn. Who is this
Speaker 1: curse dude? He played special teams? Cool, so I guess
Speaker 1: he's gonna play special teams again. You didn't have confidence
Speaker 1: as a fan base, and then you looked at the
Speaker 1: buddy and you're like, okay, so the coaches don't have
Speaker 1: confidence front off, they even gonna make the team, bro
Speaker 1: are the curse? Curse is probably my favorite story on
Speaker 1: this team right now, just because what he's doing compared
Speaker 1: to what I thought, like kazy. At least Casey was
Speaker 1: a starter. Casey had a seven interception season, so you're like, okay, Like,
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, there's at least a reason to Hooker's
Speaker 1: a fifteenth overall pick, Like you're like, this is Dud's
Speaker 1: got some talent. Uh, you know, Micah Parsons is a
Speaker 1: great story, but he's the twelfth overall pick. You assume
Speaker 1: he's gonna be good even Don't get me wrong, I
Speaker 1: did not see Osa's success coming, but again, top one
Speaker 1: hundred pick that comes with some expectations. Jeron Curse is
Speaker 1: a sixth round pick who's been in the league for
Speaker 1: six years and has never really started more than a
Speaker 1: handful of games in his career. I straight up, I'll
Speaker 1: be very honest. I was like, Okay, this dude at
Speaker 1: best is like a core special teamer and at worst
Speaker 1: doesn't make the team. And now he's playing the most
Speaker 1: snaps on defense, playing well, doing a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I love everything that you just said. My favorite
Speaker 1: thing about him is probably he's got some stuff in
Speaker 1: his neck. Man Like, he plays like a like a
Speaker 1: jerk and in a good way though, Like I think
Speaker 1: he I think he's a tone setter for that defense.
Speaker 1: I love it. I absolutely love it. He's chippy, he
Speaker 1: hits hard, he talks try. I don't know if y'all
Speaker 1: saw Alex's new Sounds of the Sideline came out last night.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't see it. It's really good as usual.
Speaker 1: There's a scene in there where it's like first second
Speaker 1: quarter when the defense is getting their butts kicked. It's
Speaker 1: like they've given up two touchdowns and Curse is the
Speaker 1: one given the sideline talk and like, wow, a lot
Speaker 1: of times, a lot of times, in my opinion, guys
Speaker 1: talk on the sideline just to talk because there's nothing
Speaker 1: else to do. But like with this scene with Curse,
Speaker 1: like it just looked like everybody was locked in on
Speaker 1: what he was saying, and he was like speaking with
Speaker 1: a lot of authority. And I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's the dude in that room, but he's
Speaker 1: definitely a voice of consequence for that defense. I mean
Speaker 1: you to see that. Yeah, I love to sit And
Speaker 1: I would have never guessed that he would have been
Speaker 1: that guy, you know. I would have been like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's got to be Tanker Gregory or somebody like that,
Speaker 1: especially seeing as though his background coming from you know, Detroit,
Speaker 1: just being a special team er. I'm thinking, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy's just gonna come in and do a little bit
Speaker 1: here and there. But like you said, I mean, he's
Speaker 1: tone sitting out there. He's in the box, hitting hard,
Speaker 1: he's covering Will, he's playing well on the back end.
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that, like you said, there's
Speaker 1: a surprise so far this season, he's been doing two
Speaker 1: things that I think the safety position has lacked for
Speaker 1: a long time, at least in succession. You've had one
Speaker 1: or the other in safeties throughout the course of the
Speaker 1: last decade or so in Cowboys uniform. But he's been
Speaker 1: a hard hitter, Like I said, you've seen that a
Speaker 1: couple different times. But he's also been in the right
Speaker 1: spot at the right time. Because you mentioned it, he's
Speaker 1: not the quickest in the secondary, but he's been in
Speaker 1: the right spot a bunch of times. And he's been
Speaker 1: in a position to make a player. He's been around
Speaker 1: the football. How hard is it to combine those two
Speaker 1: things with playing safety at the NFL level? It's extremely hard.
Speaker 1: Like me, I was more of the box, basically hybrid
Speaker 1: linebacker type safety, So I flourished in the box, not
Speaker 1: so well in the deep part of the field. But
Speaker 1: with this guy, I mean when you're when you can
Speaker 1: combine both of those things, be a great box player
Speaker 1: as well as be great in space, be great in
Speaker 1: man and man coverage, then you're a three tool safety.
Speaker 1: That's what every team is looking for because you can
Speaker 1: make it interchangeable that way with and Wilcox was like,
Speaker 1: one of us is down, one of us is back
Speaker 1: the whole game. So it's hard to disguise that way
Speaker 1: because his teams are like, all right, churches down, is
Speaker 1: he the man? Or he's blitzing or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's hard to disguise that. But when you got safeties
Speaker 1: that are interchangeable like that, you can you can put
Speaker 1: a disguise on anything and mess with people's head, mess
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks heads. And I think that's had a lot
Speaker 1: to do with how they're getting all these interceptions out there.
Speaker 1: They're able to interchange Joe Safety, disguised their coverages and
Speaker 1: it's throwing off these quarterbacks and we're proving to get
Speaker 1: interceptions off of it. So is that more of a
Speaker 1: testament to Dan Quinn and the way he's able to
Speaker 1: use a guy like curse or Is has Curse are
Speaker 1: always been in this guy, but he's just been I think.
Speaker 1: I think dan Quinn and whatever system he's doing right
Speaker 1: now is definitely flourishing for Curse right now, because like
Speaker 1: you said, those six years before this, I mean he
Speaker 1: was he could barely touch the field, and then now
Speaker 1: he comes down here under dan Quinn and he's flourishing
Speaker 1: like this. So I gotta give kudos to dan Quinn
Speaker 1: as well as Curse. And he's playing, he's playing the
Speaker 1: game out there. But dan quinn system has these guys
Speaker 1: all flying around right now. I want if I would,
Speaker 1: it could be a fly on the wall for any
Speaker 1: offseason acquisition this year. I think it might be jay
Speaker 1: Ron Curse, because I want to know who was the
Speaker 1: one that said, look at this guy, look at this
Speaker 1: guy in Detroit, he's a special teams player. He could be.
Speaker 1: It may have been dan Quinn who said this. It
Speaker 1: may have been the pro scouting department that said this.
Speaker 1: Might have been my McCarthy, who knows. It could have
Speaker 1: been Jerry. Somebody could have pointed at Jayren Curse and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you see that guy, he's a free agent. Let's go
Speaker 1: get this guy. Make him one of the better players
Speaker 1: on the back end of our defense. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: My first I mean, obviously, when you're on a role
Speaker 1: like this and we talk about it like it's like
Speaker 1: a snowball effect, like dan Quinn just gets credit for
Speaker 1: anything that happens. I mean, he looks he looks like
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn guy. Like they drafted all these long dbs.
Speaker 1: That's what Jayron Curse is. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: if anybody in this organization had familiarity with him before,
Speaker 1: it was probably Mike McCarthy, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: because he played in Minnesota before. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: really good point. I don't know who to give the
Speaker 1: credit to. Man, Maybe they were just like this guy cheap,
Speaker 1: let's get him in here. Joe, I mean, could be
Speaker 1: Joe Wit blew me away. So they made the assistance
Speaker 1: available yesterday. Joe Witt is the secondary coach um sort
Speaker 1: of like he coordinates the back seven. For anybody that
Speaker 1: doesn't know he's he's DC's like number two in the booth.
Speaker 1: I guess. But they made the assistance available and I
Speaker 1: asked him about Curse and Kazy, which ironically, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure Demante was like in jail when I asked him
Speaker 1: about you know, the things, the things that you don't know, right,
Speaker 1: the things that you don't know, But he was talking
Speaker 1: about curse specifically, and he said, I'm reading the quote.
Speaker 1: He said, I think he's come in here and his
Speaker 1: role wasn't necessarily to be a leader, but his play,
Speaker 1: his demeanor, his intelligence have put him in that role
Speaker 1: and he's done a really nice job of it. On
Speaker 1: the field. He's very smart, plays with a lot of
Speaker 1: aggression and that makes everybody else want to follow him.
Speaker 1: And I I mean that right there ultimate and he
Speaker 1: I'm not going to read the whole quote, but there
Speaker 1: was another thing about how in Oxnard it became apparent
Speaker 1: that the way that he carried himself and he basically
Speaker 1: Joe Wit more or less, was like, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: a jerk to deal with and he is very direct
Speaker 1: and upfront and like, I don't have to beat around
Speaker 1: the bush with him, and like I he earned my
Speaker 1: respect a lot when I realized that, like, this is
Speaker 1: a grown man that I can like be direct to
Speaker 1: and give points to and he's not gonna worry about it.
Speaker 1: Sames coachable. Yeah, the number one quality gotta be coachable
Speaker 1: out there. That makes that quote. I hadn't heard that
Speaker 1: until just this moment, but that quote makes me like
Speaker 1: Jay Wren Curse even more because not only is he
Speaker 1: showing out on the field, but he's a coachable, respectable
Speaker 1: player in the locker room that helps build the guys
Speaker 1: up around you. I'm fascinated by. And I mean safety
Speaker 1: has been in trouble. I've been whining about the safety's forever.
Speaker 1: Even when Barry was here, I was like, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Barry's a good box, but like, can we get a
Speaker 1: free in here somewhere? But I just I think it's
Speaker 1: so fascinating that like these guys, they're not homegrown players.
Speaker 1: They weren't drafted, they had no experience here whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: even Malie Cooker he plays the least out of the
Speaker 1: three of them, but I think deserves some credit for
Speaker 1: playing well. Like all three of them are playing really
Speaker 1: really well. There's one guy in the coaching set that
Speaker 1: actually had Curse, by the way, who's that? Oddly enough,
Speaker 1: Harold Nash was the He was the strength strength coach
Speaker 1: with the Lions in twenty nineteen, so he probably knows
Speaker 1: his personality is every little bit helps up all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I would love that's my dream. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would be, it would It makes me a terrible reporter,
Speaker 1: but my dream is basically just to have twenty four
Speaker 1: hour access and like I won't report any of it,
Speaker 1: I won't say any of it publicly, just to be there.
Speaker 1: I just want to be in the room when somebody
Speaker 1: pops in. It's like, hey, Harold, what do you think
Speaker 1: about Jaron Curse. He's like he's all right, he's a
Speaker 1: nice dude, like whatever. Like he breaks he breaks curfew
Speaker 1: on the road from time to time, but yeah, bring
Speaker 1: him in here. I just want I would love to
Speaker 1: be part of those conversations that sounded exactly like the
Speaker 1: scouting report. I'm sure that people gave on Barry Church
Speaker 1: broke breaking curfew every once everyone ironically it was yesterday,
Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon, Barry fines came from. Oh yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of those Barry said he was in the streets on
Speaker 1: the bike without we know he wasn't at Toledo. It's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, oh, don't be hey, don't be so
Speaker 1: sure about that. I'm sure you need to watch the
Speaker 1: Players Lounge. Always given a hard time about going back
Speaker 1: to Toledo. Who it ain't gonna do it. I look,
Speaker 1: I've been in a lot of small college towns. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it's not fun compared to Dallas. But like I
Speaker 1: know that there's some places you'll find some dabs here.
Speaker 1: You can find some places to get a little oh Man, Definitely,
Speaker 1: no Dallas. When's a lot of time you've been to Toledo?
Speaker 1: When I get inducted too the Hall of Fame, so
Speaker 1: probably like twenty thirteen. Yeah, you're life flex a slight flex.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know the last time I went, they
Speaker 1: were giving me a plaque with my name. Is it
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Speaker 1: Offensive Player of the Week, Dak Prescott. It's gonna come
Speaker 1: to you whenever you put up four hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five passing yards and three touchdowns against the Bill Belichick defense.
Speaker 1: Also not to mention, I believe it was Todd Archer
Speaker 1: who tweeted this stat out yesterday, but Dak Prescott's the
Speaker 1: first player ever to throw three touchdown passes in four
Speaker 1: straight games, really, first player ever to do so. That's
Speaker 1: kind of hard for me to believe. With the way
Speaker 1: that the league is slanting toward passing. I wonder he
Speaker 1: didn't say three or more. I wonder if it meant
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, which could be the case, but I haven't
Speaker 1: double checked or fact checked it or no. I think
Speaker 1: I mean, because if you throw four, you still throw three.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's true. That's that's just a good one.
Speaker 1: That's outright shocking to me. Honestly, I was. I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe that nobody'd ever I couldn't believe that nobody had
Speaker 1: ever thrown for that much against Belichick, Like you think
Speaker 1: about you know, Nick Foles went crazy in that Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Like it's not like it's not like he's shut down
Speaker 1: every quarterback he's ever played. They played Mahomes a couple
Speaker 1: of times. You would have thought you and that that
Speaker 1: includes playoffs too. I mean that, like every every game
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has been a part of. And what was
Speaker 1: that four hundred and sixty five Dak Prescott is uh
Speaker 1: I said it on Sunday. He's playing as well as
Speaker 1: anyone in the NFL right now, without of doubt. Now,
Speaker 1: I saw you say something on Twitter. I think it
Speaker 1: was late Sunday night where you said, where did where
Speaker 1: did that game rank compared to some of the other
Speaker 1: ones that Dak has played? Where would you put it?
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I meant to like make a ranking,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't because it's the bye week and
Speaker 1: I'm lazy. But I got a lot of I got
Speaker 1: a lot of pushback on that. People were like, well,
Speaker 1: he fumbled in the red zone and throw an interception,
Speaker 1: Like what are you talking about? And like he's definitely
Speaker 1: played cleaner games than that. Like he's played a ton
Speaker 1: of games where like everything went right and they just
Speaker 1: kicked ass. But I don't know, man, the the cajon
Speaker 1: as of that performance really impressed me, Like to have
Speaker 1: everything going against you the way that it was. They
Speaker 1: ran the ball well, but not by their standards, so
Speaker 1: like the run game was helping you, but not to
Speaker 1: the degree that we've seen for the last month. And
Speaker 1: then two really three because he got him into position
Speaker 1: for the missed field goal with that scramble. So I
Speaker 1: mean not talking trash on Greg's rline, but Dac did
Speaker 1: everything he did was supposed to three drives at the
Speaker 1: end of the game, does gets them into position all
Speaker 1: three times missed field goal field goal to go to
Speaker 1: overtime obviously wins it in the overtime period. I mean,
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, without doing like a
Speaker 1: ton of research about it, I just I thought it
Speaker 1: was one of his like five or six most impressive
Speaker 1: performances when you consider like everything across the breadth of
Speaker 1: everything that happened in that wild game. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was one of his better games. I
Speaker 1: love the counterpunching that went out there. You know, they
Speaker 1: got stopped in fourth and one, they were able to
Speaker 1: battle back and score again. And then he has the
Speaker 1: early turnovers, but that's all right. They still fight, scratching
Speaker 1: claude to find it somehow to find a victory out there.
Speaker 1: And I mean, this guy he's doing everything right. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's doing everything right. He's leading his team on and
Speaker 1: off the field. It's not how you start, it's how
Speaker 1: you finish. And the guy's playing extremely well right now.
Speaker 1: And he's the bona fide leader of this team. I mean,
Speaker 1: whatever he does out there, that's however good he does,
Speaker 1: is how good this team is going to be. So
Speaker 1: right now, he's playing at you know, full caliber. He's
Speaker 1: in that elite conversation. I don't know if if you
Speaker 1: could point at a game in terms of the all
Speaker 1: encompassing mindset and the storylines and the back and forth
Speaker 1: and the punch CounterPunch that we were just talking about
Speaker 1: it kind of what Dave was saying. It wasn't a
Speaker 1: clean game from Dak Prescott, but that might have been
Speaker 1: the grittiest win of his career. I get that's a
Speaker 1: that's a better way to say it. Yeah, just grit
Speaker 1: and and like turnovers are gonna happen. Bad plays are
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Like just the way that he bounced back
Speaker 1: from everything, I just I thought it was so impressive.
Speaker 1: I mean, the patience that he had. There was a
Speaker 1: play the All twenty two isn't up yet or it
Speaker 1: wasn't last night, but the play he was like on
Speaker 1: his own goal line, and the way, like the way
Speaker 1: that he maneuvered the pocket and just stepped up and
Speaker 1: found the guy on the crossing route to get the
Speaker 1: first down. Felt like he did that on every possession.
Speaker 1: And just the confidence and the poise that he had.
Speaker 1: The throw that he had to Cedric Wilson that eventually
Speaker 1: got clawed out, you know, it didn't count touchdown, yeah,
Speaker 1: which so many people on Twitter are like, well, we
Speaker 1: threw it behind him, like's got to catch that. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, you guys are nuts, and you gotta give
Speaker 1: credit to I think it was Jonathan Jones out just
Speaker 1: an all around amazing play because it was a great
Speaker 1: play on his part. But my god, the placement on
Speaker 1: that path as was the chef's kiss baby, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you could look at that, and there was
Speaker 1: a perfect angle of it, that back cornerback pylon angle
Speaker 1: where it was. It just showed dat kind of fitting
Speaker 1: that one in a window. Oh man, that was such
Speaker 1: a good throw. But yeah, so I've been looking at
Speaker 1: it while we talk. I mean, you know, the beating
Speaker 1: Seattle in the playoffs. Obviously a playoff win is gonna matter.
Speaker 1: So that's up there. His game against both of his
Speaker 1: overtime wins against the Eagles, he played incredible sixteen and
Speaker 1: eighteen that Tampa Bay game. I mean, even though we lost,
Speaker 1: played absolutely You're absolutely right that deserves mentioned as well.
Speaker 1: I would absolutely put that in his like five best
Speaker 1: performance as ever. That's awesome. That's awesome, and we've said
Speaker 1: it on every show across the board since the start
Speaker 1: of training camp. This is an offense that it's a
Speaker 1: pick your poison. I mean, I feel like that could
Speaker 1: be a buzzword around these areas, as pick poison, you'd
Speaker 1: also say in the bag by Kellen Moore has also
Speaker 1: been a buzzword. I mean, this offense is rolling. It's
Speaker 1: the number one offense in the NFL terms of total yardage,
Speaker 1: their second and scoring. I mean, this is a offense
Speaker 1: that is on the money right now. But I want
Speaker 1: to see if this was this the blueprint what Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and the Patriots defense put out on the table.
Speaker 1: I know they gave up four hundred and forty five yards,
Speaker 1: but they slowed down the run at least compared to
Speaker 1: what the run has been doing. They were they forced
Speaker 1: to Dak Prescott to come and throw fifty one times.
Speaker 1: They forced Dak Prescott to beat him, and they have
Speaker 1: to throw for four hundred and forty five yards. So
Speaker 1: I ask you, guys, is this the blueprint for teams
Speaker 1: that will that the Cowboys will face the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. Are they going to throw something similar at
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? I'm not so shorter. There is a blueprint, man,
Speaker 1: because I mean, we look at it and if I
Speaker 1: was a defensive coordinator, man, would I would have nightmares
Speaker 1: preparing for this team. I mean, you gotta look at it.
Speaker 1: Like you said, they did a decent job of slowing
Speaker 1: down Pollard and Zeke J. C. Jackson did a good
Speaker 1: job of slowing down Amari Cooper out there, he was
Speaker 1: shadowing him. But then you still gotta deal with Cede Lamps,
Speaker 1: he said Wilson, Noah Brown, Shultz, Jarwin. I mean, just
Speaker 1: just so many options out there, and like I heard you,
Speaker 1: say this one time. I mean it's it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: death bat thousand cuts. I mean, it's like, how many
Speaker 1: people can you prepare for? Because if you slow down
Speaker 1: one thing, even if you take away their top two options,
Speaker 1: whether it's pass, run, whatever you take away, they still
Speaker 1: have so many more valuable options out there that can
Speaker 1: beat you, whether it's one on one or in zone. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure that Bill Belichick did the blueprint,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure there is a blueprint out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that I have this right.
Speaker 1: The blueprint to stopping this offense is giving up one
Speaker 1: twenty two on the ground, four yards per carry from
Speaker 1: both of your running backs, four hundred and forty five
Speaker 1: in the air. Ye thirty five points. And I'll just
Speaker 1: put the Homer hat on even harder and just point
Speaker 1: out that they lost two turnovers in the end zone,
Speaker 1: not just like not middle of the field, not like, oh,
Speaker 1: you never know what could have happened. He got picked
Speaker 1: in the end zone. He fumbled on the goal line.
Speaker 1: Like if the Cowboys play a cleaner game, they I mean,
Speaker 1: they should have one turnouns in their own should have
Speaker 1: won this game. But yeah, on the opening drive. Okay,
Speaker 1: so then let me ask you, this is the achilles
Speaker 1: heel of this Cowboys offense? Is it the red zone?
Speaker 1: And it's yes, it's just the red zone is an issue.
Speaker 1: That's I feel comfortable saying that they were really good
Speaker 1: these last three wins before New England. I think they
Speaker 1: went nine of eleven down there, really good, really good. Um,
Speaker 1: but when they've played good well, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if the Patriots are good, but when they've played stingier teams,
Speaker 1: I would say they're good defense. Okay, Patriots, they're a
Speaker 1: flawed team, but they're gonna be I mean, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be scrappy. I would imagine New England finishes somewhere near
Speaker 1: five hundred um. And then obviously the Bucks two of
Speaker 1: five in both of those games. It's gotta be better.
Speaker 1: And I don't know one hundred percent the answer to it.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, they were two of five and those
Speaker 1: two games combined. No, they were, well, they were four
Speaker 1: of ten and those two ys Okay, sorry, okay, even
Speaker 1: more so? Um wow. Yeah. No, it's been an issue,
Speaker 1: and honestly, it's been an issue for most of Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore's career. For all of the flowers we throw at
Speaker 1: his feet, and deservedly so, but that has been a
Speaker 1: consistent problem going back to twenty nineteen. The red zone
Speaker 1: is definitely a little a little struggle, and I think
Speaker 1: it's because of that condensed field. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: get into that open field part of it, they can
Speaker 1: they can stretch you out with all their different options,
Speaker 1: get their guys the ball in space. But when you're
Speaker 1: in the red zone, things happen so quick, and guys
Speaker 1: know that, all right, they're gonna try to pound it
Speaker 1: with Zeke's let's stack the box up with Zeke and
Speaker 1: then even if you stop Zeke there, I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of room to pretty much do
Speaker 1: your whole route trees out there. So guys are you know,
Speaker 1: they're clamping down in the red zone. So I would
Speaker 1: say that would be the only Achilles Hill maybe, you know.
Speaker 1: I wonder and this is just me thinking out loud.
Speaker 1: I just and there, I get it. They're so good
Speaker 1: at running the ball, but I wonder if they're a
Speaker 1: little over reliant on trying to big boy people down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of what I was thinking. And you gotta
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta be You gotta be perfect in
Speaker 1: those situations. I mean, we just saw obviously Dak got stuffed.
Speaker 1: We can all I mean, he looked like he got
Speaker 1: in on third down. That is what it is. He
Speaker 1: got stuffed. Josh Allen gets stuffed on Monday Night football,
Speaker 1: which real like I my entire career. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: if your quarterback is built like a linebacker, you need
Speaker 1: to be sneaking on fourth and short. But the NFL
Speaker 1: is a humbling league. Like even Josh Allen can get
Speaker 1: denied on fourth and inches. So I like, I say, like,
Speaker 1: you gotta be perfect in that situation. I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: the option pitch to Zeke and Tampa. It's a walk in.
Speaker 1: It's a walk in touchdown if Jarwin hits his block.
Speaker 1: But because he doesn't, now you're you're dealing with a
Speaker 1: tackle for loss. And like, those are the differences between
Speaker 1: scoring touchdowns and not. And I just wonder maybe they
Speaker 1: should try to like go empty down there more often.
Speaker 1: Like you have web amout, you have weapons in the
Speaker 1: passing game, spread people out, look for horizontal space instead
Speaker 1: of vertical space. Like I said, I'm literally just going
Speaker 1: off the dome. While we had to be able to
Speaker 1: get a yard. We had to be able to I
Speaker 1: hear you, But that's kind of my point is like
Speaker 1: when everybody key he's on it, even a great running
Speaker 1: game isn't always going to be successful. I just wonder
Speaker 1: get my boy mc government fullback. Man. I thought we
Speaker 1: were going to see it this week. Man, I thought
Speaker 1: we were going to see it. There's there's gotta be
Speaker 1: some tinkering that they can do, because when they get
Speaker 1: into games against better opponents, the results speak for themselves.
Speaker 1: I would agree, all right, let's take our second break.
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Speaker 1: bye week editions and we do not have shows Thursday
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Speaker 1: Derek gave me this idea yesterday we were talking yay
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Speaker 1: I mean it was a collective effort, but like that
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Speaker 1: very first on cover four but I think longer somebody
Speaker 1: it was probably Derek. Somebody was like, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Church is hanging around and he's interested, and I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: let's do it, let's do that. Let's do it, all right,
Speaker 1: tell me about the break. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: talking Cowboys fans are also the break. I laugh, man,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how the hell that happened. Ye man, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's it's maybe experience is the way to go with
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Speaker 1: It is a great show. It was the original and
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Speaker 1: and four. I know that because Derek said every day. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: in like ninth grade. I like telling Nick that too,
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Speaker 1: I was in the third Girl. Yeah, hell oh goodness,
Speaker 1: I'm still young in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: people start saying stuff like that and I'm like, I
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