WEBVTT - The 2019 Ig Nobel Prizes

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, welcome to Stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>Blow your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joe McCormick, and we are revisiting a yearly tradition that's

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<v Speaker 1>right every year, pretty much about this time, we look

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<v Speaker 1>and see what was honored at this year's Ignoble Prizes.

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<v Speaker 1>The prizes themselves come out. I believe that the end

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<v Speaker 1>of September or the very beginning of October the timing

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<v Speaker 1>for us, Yeah, because that's when we want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into our Halloween content, and so we always do. We

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<v Speaker 1>just steamroll ahead into the Halloween content. And then afterwards, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, after especially after the dust is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>settled on the Ignobele Prizes, the mainstream media coverage of

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<v Speaker 1>the event has died away, then we come back and

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<v Speaker 1>we picked through the winners and sometimes we cover absolutely everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes we cover a few choice selections here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's going to be the model we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be employing here. Yeah, we're just gonna take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at a few highlights that stuck out to us. So

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<v Speaker 1>for those who haven't heard before, a quick refresher on

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<v Speaker 1>the Ignobles. Yeah, they've been awarded each year since by

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<v Speaker 1>the publication the Annals of Improbable Research. The purpose of

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<v Speaker 1>the award, according to the editors of Improbable Research, is

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<v Speaker 1>to quote honor achievements that first make people laugh and

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<v Speaker 1>then make them think. Furthermore, they stressed that the ten

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<v Speaker 1>prizes aren't necessarily meant to pass judgment on the winners. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>the official website emphasizes that the prizes quote celebrate the unusual,

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<v Speaker 1>honor the imaginative, and spur people's interests in science, medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>and technology. And the principal individual here is editor Mark Abrams. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>every year it is just a it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>making fun of the idea a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel Prizes, uh, which which celebrate, you know, key advancements

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<v Speaker 1>and and and key samples of work that are really

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<v Speaker 1>pushing forward are our understanding of ourselves and the universe nature.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Ignoble Prizes tend to highlight more absurd intreats,

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<v Speaker 1>but none not necessarily intreaes that are you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>are completely useless. And I think that's an important thing

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<v Speaker 1>to stress and something we've tried to stress in the

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<v Speaker 1>past when covering the event is that studies that are

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<v Speaker 1>honored by the Ignoble Prizes maybe snick or inducing. They

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<v Speaker 1>may seem a little silly at first glance, but they

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<v Speaker 1>are all works of real science, of real ingenuity, and

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<v Speaker 1>if nothing else, they are expanding, helping to expand the

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<v Speaker 1>the threshold of human understanding. Yeah, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of our favorite things to explore on this show

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<v Speaker 1>is realizing that there's an interesting question in a place

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have expected to find it, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of this research does. And so on that note,

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<v Speaker 1>let us turn to the first Ignoble Prize winning study

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<v Speaker 1>that we would like to highlight here today, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is the two thousand and nineteen award winner in Physics,

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<v Speaker 1>awarded to Patricia yang at All for studying how and

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<v Speaker 1>why wombats make a cube shaped poop. Wombats are so

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<v Speaker 1>cute they are there. They are so adorable to look at.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously the babies, any baby animals going to

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<v Speaker 1>be adorable, but even the adults look like living Teddy

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<v Speaker 1>Bear creatures, like living Teddy Bear marsu fils. I bet

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<v Speaker 1>they're just nightmarish, you know, Given how cute they are.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they kill thousands of people every year, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean to be to be clear, they can protect

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<v Speaker 1>themselves and sometimes they do harm humans if provoked or

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<v Speaker 1>I think there have been cases where like there was

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<v Speaker 1>a wombat that had the mange or something like that

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<v Speaker 1>and was therefore a little more agitated. So yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>they can. They are kind of tough customers in their

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<v Speaker 1>own right, own right. They're not straight up wolverines or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can. They can look after themselves. So this

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<v Speaker 1>particular their paper, how do wombats make cubed pooh uh?

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<v Speaker 1>This came This was presented at the seventy firth Annual

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<v Speaker 1>Meeting of the APS Division of Fluid Dynamics, And I

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<v Speaker 1>believe this is presented in Atlanta, Georgia, where of course

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<v Speaker 1>we record the show. Yeah, I think at least part

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<v Speaker 1>of the team is Georgia Tech, right, yeah, yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>the species here vombat us your sinus is a pudgy

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<v Speaker 1>herbivore roughly the size of a kind of a thick dog,

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<v Speaker 1>like a really thick dog, and it's marsupial. They have pouches,

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<v Speaker 1>but since they're burrowers, they have backward pouches so as

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<v Speaker 1>not to fill the pouch up with dirt and endanger

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<v Speaker 1>the young one that may be within the pouch. So interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>So like if they're pulling themselves forward on their belly

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<v Speaker 1>through the dirt, the dirt does not go in, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we can all imagine the cartoon scenario of it's

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<v Speaker 1>just filling up with dirt. Right. They have a slow metabolism.

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<v Speaker 1>They feed mostly on grasses and roots, and they're largely

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<v Speaker 1>nocturnal or crepuscular, you know, so they're gonna you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to venture out, usually in the brightest

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<v Speaker 1>light of the day. They may come out though on

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<v Speaker 1>particularly overcast days, and they can again, they can put

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<v Speaker 1>up a fight if threatened. And you'll find them in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia and in Tasmania. They're cute. They're not endangered, despite

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<v Speaker 1>being treated as vermin by some farmers. And oh I

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<v Speaker 1>love this. Groups of wombats are are sometimes called a mob,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes just called a group, but sometimes they're also known

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<v Speaker 1>as a wisdom of wombats. Oh man, that's better than

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<v Speaker 1>a murder of crows. That is, I just imagine these wise,

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<v Speaker 1>cute elder wombats that have so so much wisdom to

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<v Speaker 1>share with the world. I don't mean to be mean,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't necessarily look wise. They do look they

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<v Speaker 1>look more clever than wise. Well, what would you what

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<v Speaker 1>would you refer to them as? Like a snuggle of wombats.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be a snugg e of wombats. That's pretty good,

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<v Speaker 1>A slank it of wombats, A slank it of wombats.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. But one of the more puzzling attributes

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<v Speaker 1>of the wombat has long been their poop, because it

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<v Speaker 1>is cubic. And we're not talking necessarily perfectly cubic in

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<v Speaker 1>a geometric geometrical sense, but yet for a world mostly

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<v Speaker 1>to void, pretty much completely devoid of natural squares, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>natural biological squares, this is pretty darned cubic. Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you come across these things in nature,

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<v Speaker 1>you would think they were made by humans. Yeah. They

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<v Speaker 1>look kind of like chocolate marshmallows, like really square chocolate

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<v Speaker 1>marshmallows if you see a picture of them, Yeah, not

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<v Speaker 1>the cylindrical marshmallows, like the more old school like carved

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<v Speaker 1>out ones with corners. Granted, I think the images that

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<v Speaker 1>we're both looking at here they're dried a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but still even fresh out the shoot. They are there.

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<v Speaker 1>They are cubic in nature. It is really hard to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine how these things are made just picked. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much time one wants to spend

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<v Speaker 1>contemplating a wombad anus, but like, it just doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>like a normal thing that would emerge physically from a

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<v Speaker 1>what I would assume to be rounded anus. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>wombat anus is not immune from the inquiry of science,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where Yang and her team come in. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>and again, Yeah, Yang is local, based out of the

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<v Speaker 1>School of Mechanical Engineering at Georgia Tech, where she's a

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<v Speaker 1>postdoctoral fellow. So since she's local, maybe we should have

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<v Speaker 1>her on the on the show. Because she's not just

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<v Speaker 1>a one time Ignoble winner, she's a two time Ignoble

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<v Speaker 1>winner because she and co author David who also shared

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousand fifteen Ignoble Physics Prize for testing the

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<v Speaker 1>biological principle that nearly all mammals and empty their bladders

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<v Speaker 1>in about twenty one seconds plus or minus thirteen seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. The plus or minus thirteen seconds buys

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<v Speaker 1>you a pretty big window there. But yeah, I find

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<v Speaker 1>myself very often thinking about this one in the bathroom. So,

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<v Speaker 1>having turned away from the world of urine, the researchers

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<v Speaker 1>were interested by this puzzle of the wombat poop, so

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<v Speaker 1>they looked at how differences and wombats digestive processes and

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<v Speaker 1>soft tissue structures informed this curious structure. So they investigated.

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<v Speaker 1>They used the digestive tracts of wombats that have been

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<v Speaker 1>euthanized following motor vehicle collisions in Tasmania. Uh so you

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<v Speaker 1>have to you have to have some actual bodies to

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<v Speaker 1>look at there, and then it seems like a reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>way to go about getting them. They found that the

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<v Speaker 1>shape occurred towards the very end of the intestines. As

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<v Speaker 1>the matter became increasingly firm, it became clear that quote

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<v Speaker 1>varying elastic properties of wombats intestinal walls allowed for the

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<v Speaker 1>cubic formation. And the result is a cube, the only

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<v Speaker 1>organic cube in nature, they say. And it's not made

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<v Speaker 1>Yang stresses by the two typical human methods of creating cubes.

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<v Speaker 1>We because we tend to mold a cube or we

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<v Speaker 1>cut a cube. Right, we slice a cube out of

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<v Speaker 1>something via you know, subtractive manufacturing. But this is a

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<v Speaker 1>third way. This is the way of the wombat where

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<v Speaker 1>it is it is it is formed through the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the excretion process of the lower intestines. So this would

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<v Speaker 1>be not cutting a cube, not molding a cube. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>pinching a cube. Yeah, pinching a cube and then excreting

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<v Speaker 1>a cube. Now you're probably wondering, well, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>why of all of this? Right, if the wombat is

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<v Speaker 1>doing something entirely different with its poop, there has to

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<v Speaker 1>be a reason. Well, scientists believe it comes down to

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that these burrowing, nocturnal herbivores depend largely on

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<v Speaker 1>their sense of smell. They largely communicate by smell, and therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>like various other animals that are also smell dependent, their

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<v Speaker 1>fecal matter is their calling card. I mean, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a dog, you know how the how they behave there

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of the the the heightened importance of fecal

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<v Speaker 1>matter in the dog world. Yeah, out on a walk

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<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood. Poop is like a Facebook status update.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you know that you're interested, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>check it out, Like we just see something we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to step in maybe the in the sense data

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<v Speaker 1>there is just telling us not to step in it.

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<v Speaker 1>But to a dog with heightened far heightened sensibilities, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of data in the sense emerging from bat poop.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting stuff. And so while it's something like a

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<v Speaker 1>while something like a cat hides its poop because it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to be known to either it's many prey

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<v Speaker 1>animals or it's many predators. Wombats are a different matter today.

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<v Speaker 1>Wombats don't have many natural predators, uh certainly adult wombats,

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<v Speaker 1>and they use their piled feces to mark territory and

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<v Speaker 1>to communicate with other wombats. And and they don't live

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<v Speaker 1>on a prairie. Their ups and down to the topography

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<v Speaker 1>of their natural habitat, and placing their poops at higher

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<v Speaker 1>at elevations such as a tops some rocks, on top

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<v Speaker 1>of a log, or on a ledge, it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>stand out more visually to other wombats. And again they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have great, great a sense of sight, but still

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<v Speaker 1>you put it up there on a ledge, more wombats

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<v Speaker 1>are able to see it, and then the wombats can

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<v Speaker 1>come in and take a more informed a smell of

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<v Speaker 1>the wombat poop and learn something about about its maker.

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<v Speaker 1>So the wombat rectum is sort of designed by evolution

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<v Speaker 1>to create poop monuments like testaments to the will of

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<v Speaker 1>the wombat that occupies this territory, poop that stays put. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>which is interestingly quite the exact opposite of the round

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<v Speaker 1>goat feces that many of you've probably seen emerging from

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<v Speaker 1>the rear end of a goat, which is believed to

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<v Speaker 1>have evolved to roll downhill and essentially self hide in

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<v Speaker 1>hilly or mountainous terrain, so as better maybe to throw

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<v Speaker 1>off a cougar that could be pursuing yours. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like for the goat, it's better that the poop just

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<v Speaker 1>gets lost, but for the wombat, the wombat has very

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<v Speaker 1>specific needs that require the poop to remain in sight

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<v Speaker 1>and to be found. And so yeah, it's basically with

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<v Speaker 1>the wombats, it's it's highly adaptive to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>poop cubes that stay put. It's part of their language

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<v Speaker 1>of expression. Now, naturally, there are potential bio mimetic possibilities here.

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<v Speaker 1>In the future, Young says, we might see human created

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<v Speaker 1>is produced not by molding or cutting, but by this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of excretion. So I can't help but wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>this will be the future of our Valentine's Day chocolates.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, like a like a mechanical industrial anus for

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<v Speaker 1>pooping out chocolate and exactly that shape, exactly delicious, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's the physics price. And uh yeah, I just love

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<v Speaker 1>this story because when wombats are such interesting creatures and

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<v Speaker 1>and this is ultimately extremely insightful like this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is not this is something that yes, it's laughable because

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<v Speaker 1>it's poop poop from a cute marsupial, But on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, it's it really illustrates something amazing about evolution

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and it also highlights where we might go

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<v Speaker 1>in the future when it comes to making cubicle candy.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to learn more about this, Patricia

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<v Speaker 1>Yang also has a website Patricia Yang dot net. Excellent. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we should take a quick break and then when

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<v Speaker 1>we're back Dirty Money. This is this year's Economics Prize

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<v Speaker 1>for the Igno Bells. This went to Habibi Cadeck, Timothy A. Voss,

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<v Speaker 1>and Andreas Voss for testing which country's paper money is

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<v Speaker 1>best at transmitting dangerous bacteria. The paper was called Money

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<v Speaker 1>and Transmission of Bacteria in Anti Microbial Resistance and Infection

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<v Speaker 1>Control in and So the authors here start out with

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<v Speaker 1>pretty obvious fact. Cash gets handled a lot. It changes hands.

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<v Speaker 1>You touch it, I touch it. Tom Atkins probably touched it.

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<v Speaker 1>Ted goes to the bathroom and then he touches it.

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<v Speaker 1>You sneeze, Then you handle it. Then you pay for

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<v Speaker 1>your lunch with it. Somebody pays me the gambling debts

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<v Speaker 1>they owe me with that same money. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty obvious vector for disease transmission. When you were

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, you probably heard this, and if you like

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<v Speaker 1>me or a parent, you've probably said this, don't put

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<v Speaker 1>that money in your mouth. It's filthy, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, When I was reading about this research,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that kept popping into my mind is that

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Parks and Recreation where you find out that

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<v Speaker 1>all the Pawnee citizens drink from water fountains by putting

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<v Speaker 1>their mouth over the fountain. Part. I had completely forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>about this until you mentioned it. Yeah, there was also

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<v Speaker 1>a skit from the Upright Citizen's Brigade, right, Yes, that

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<v Speaker 1>we can't go into full detail about here, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can probably figure it out what somebody who chose to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for things with befouled pennies that they themselves had

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally befouled. Right. But, as we know, not all physical

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<v Speaker 1>substrata are equally hospitable to germs. So the authors here

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<v Speaker 1>tested different national currencies to see how well they transmitted

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<v Speaker 1>various multi drug resistant bacteria, including methicillin resistant staff Alococcus

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<v Speaker 1>aureus or m R s a UH, an extended spectrum

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<v Speaker 1>of beta lactomaces producing E. Coli and vankomycin resistant, and

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<v Speaker 1>tero coxi or vr E. So UH. Here's the method.

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<v Speaker 1>The author has got a bunch of different bank notes

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<v Speaker 1>from different countries, including the euro, the US dollar, Canadian dollar,

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<v Speaker 1>the Croatian kuna, the Romanian leu, the Moroccan deerham, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Indian rupee. And they first of course started off

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<v Speaker 1>sterilizing the cash with UV radiation. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>bring in any pre existing germs. Uh. Then they inoculated

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<v Speaker 1>the money with incubated strains of the bacteria they were testing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the cash was left out to dry for

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<v Speaker 1>several lengths of time, I think three hours, six hours,

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty four hours. And then the experimenters tested which

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<v Speaker 1>bank notes allowed bacterial colonies to survive after the various

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<v Speaker 1>drying periods. And then in the second experiment, they also

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<v Speaker 1>tested the effects of people rubbing the bank notes with

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<v Speaker 1>sanitized hands. Would the would the bacteria transfer from the

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<v Speaker 1>infected bank notes to people's hands? So which money came

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<v Speaker 1>out on top? Well, the Romanian lou was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most germ friendly. It yielded all three drug resistant

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<v Speaker 1>pathogens after three and six hours of drying, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was the only currency that still had a pathogen after

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<v Speaker 1>a full day of drying, and that pathogen was vr E.

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<v Speaker 1>The Canadian and US dollar yielded only m R s A.

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<v Speaker 1>So I assume it's the U S money that Scrooge

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<v Speaker 1>McDuck swims through in his vault. Oh well, maybe he

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<v Speaker 1>had it purified, you know, because I've always heard the

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<v Speaker 1>Scrooge McDuck was actually a bit of germofog. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they take after Howard use Uh. Okay, So the Euro

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<v Speaker 1>yielded only the E. Coli strain after three and six hours,

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<v Speaker 1>and vr E after three hours, the rupie only vr E.

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<v Speaker 1>The Croatian Kuna did not yield any of the pathogens

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<v Speaker 1>at any period. So in the second stage of the experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>they study the transmission of bacteria from bank notes to

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<v Speaker 1>hands after rubbing. The Euro did not transmit bacteria to hands,

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<v Speaker 1>but the US dollar and the Romanian lou did, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and they make sure to point out that all the

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<v Speaker 1>money was sterilized with UV radiation after the testing, so

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<v Speaker 1>it was safe to return to circulation. Uh. And the

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<v Speaker 1>authors also point out that this means the type of

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<v Speaker 1>bank note paper in circulation could have epidemiological implications. They

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<v Speaker 1>think major variables here are probably like the materials used

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<v Speaker 1>in creating the fiber of the bank notes. The Romanian Lou,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, which seemed to be the most germ friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>has plastic con tent that is designed to improve durability

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<v Speaker 1>and make it harder to counterfeit, but it also seems

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<v Speaker 1>to create a more pathogen friendly environment that many of

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<v Speaker 1>the other fibers and materials used in paper money don't create.

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<v Speaker 1>So this would be like the when we've ever handle

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<v Speaker 1>currency that basically has like a little clear plastic windows

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<v Speaker 1>in it. Uh yeah, it could be that, or it

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<v Speaker 1>could be more spread out through. I don't know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on with the Romanian loop, but it has

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<v Speaker 1>polymer content that apparently is germ friendly or even you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not just German friendly, but like antibiotic resistant germ friendly.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Croatian kuna, you can take that and just

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<v Speaker 1>stick it directly in your mouth. Uh No, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't recommend that, but it seems like in this

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<v Speaker 1>particular test the kuna turned out very well. So maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this is something other countries should consider and test out

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<v Speaker 1>when designing the next generation of paper notes. Maybe take

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<v Speaker 1>some inspiration from how the Croatian kuna has made. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be an inhospitable environment for all of the

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<v Speaker 1>pathogens tested. I don't know if the something that has

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<v Speaker 1>ever even figured into currency design before have like they

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<v Speaker 1>ever considered how well currency transmits bacteria and just how

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<v Speaker 1>gross money is. Yeah, I mean, granted there is less

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<v Speaker 1>of it that is used on a daily basis for

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<v Speaker 1>many populations, uh, you know, using our cards more often,

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<v Speaker 1>electronic payments, etcetera. But still there's a lot of cash

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<v Speaker 1>out there, and it's troubling to think about how, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how dirty it is that you get sick for money. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not in a spiritual sense, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're all accustomed to, but you know, in an actual

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<v Speaker 1>biological sense. You know, even if it's kuna. I just say,

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<v Speaker 1>don't put money in your mouth. Don't put it in there, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So also I wanted to talk about one not for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. Just a quick look at the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen Anatomy Prize which was awarded to Roger Museet

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<v Speaker 1>and Boris ben gud Ifa for measuring scrotal temperature asymmetry

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<v Speaker 1>and naked and cloth postmen in France. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just postman this. They still they studied bus drivers too,

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<v Speaker 1>and then people whose professions you don't even know. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The original research was published in the journal Human Reproduction

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand seven. So humans are mammals showing bilaterally

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<v Speaker 1>symmetrical anatomy. If you split us in half lengthwise, you

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<v Speaker 1>will mostly see the halves as mirror images of one another.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're not perfect examples of bilateral symmetry. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>internal organs that are oriented off center. Maybe the hard

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<v Speaker 1>is a little more to one side, the liver more

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<v Speaker 1>to the other, and so forth. Uh. And apparently this

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<v Speaker 1>extends to some aspects of the human scrotum. So the

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<v Speaker 1>authors here begin by noting a discrepancy in the anatomical literature.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the human scrotum on average hotter on one side

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<v Speaker 1>than the other? Uh? Some previous reports said that it's

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<v Speaker 1>equally hot on both sides, while others reported that the

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<v Speaker 1>left side of the scrotum is generally hotter than the right. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course this comes down to the fact that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, on one side is one testicle, on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side is the other testicle. And of course part

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<v Speaker 1>of the whole uh design of of the testicles has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the fact that there's a there's an

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<v Speaker 1>importance of maintaining certain temperatures. Absolutely, I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>highly reproductively significant information. Temperature of the male reproductive organs

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<v Speaker 1>plays a role in gamme eat production and thus in fertility. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, the major biological purpose of the scrotum, as

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<v Speaker 1>you alluded to, seems to be thermoregulation to move the

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<v Speaker 1>testicles near or away from the body to help keep

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<v Speaker 1>them as close to optimal temperature as possible. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is why sometimes if if fertility doctors may ask, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>are you are you going to a hot tub all

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<v Speaker 1>the time? Do you have a really hot laptop setting

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<v Speaker 1>on your lap a lot? You know these sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>questions because you know that they are susceptible to outside

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<v Speaker 1>temperatures exactly. So the authors here wanted to get new

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<v Speaker 1>data to help clear up these discrepant reports, and so

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<v Speaker 1>their method bids were quote retrospective analyzes of scrotal temperatures

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<v Speaker 1>in mid age twenty to fifty two years, measured every

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<v Speaker 1>two minutes with probes connected to a data collector in

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<v Speaker 1>three experiments, so three different experiments. They tested this out

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<v Speaker 1>both naked and clothed in a number of different body positions.

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<v Speaker 1>They also tested it on yes postal workers who were

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<v Speaker 1>working in a standing position for ninety minutes at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and they also tested out on bus drivers who were

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<v Speaker 1>working in a sitting position for ninety minutes at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and they found that, especially in the clothed state, left

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<v Speaker 1>scrotal temperature was higher, significantly higher than right scrotal temperature. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>why is this? They offered a number of possible explanations,

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<v Speaker 1>including differences in blood flow and cutaneous heat receptors, bilateral

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<v Speaker 1>differences in testicular volume, so if like one testicle is

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than the other, that might also affect temperature. But

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<v Speaker 1>then finally, one thing they pointed out as a possible

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<v Speaker 1>explanation is the resting position of the penis, which really

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<v Speaker 1>seems to naturally go more one to one side than

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<v Speaker 1>the other. And they side a study from nine by

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<v Speaker 1>Bogart at All that found that the penis is naturally

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<v Speaker 1>positioned to the left in about eighty nine percent of cases.

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<v Speaker 1>So really it was an inside job the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems very likely to be. This study is really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to and it is looking at like the clothed

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<v Speaker 1>human and the naked human, especially because you really have

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<v Speaker 1>to think at times like how how to what extent

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<v Speaker 1>does clothing, you know, change the definition of of the

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<v Speaker 1>biological human experience? You know, oh sure, I mean clothing

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<v Speaker 1>is a technological innovation. It comes fairly recently and our

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<v Speaker 1>evolutionary history, and is reasonable to say this might somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>change our reproductive behaviors and and how the body's reproductive

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<v Speaker 1>organs respond to the environment. So like, part of the

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<v Speaker 1>environment our bodies were shaped for might not necessarily be

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<v Speaker 1>having like the testicles tightly packed against the body within

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of container all the time, right right though, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean to our credit like that that I think

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge accomplishment. Like if you think back to

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<v Speaker 1>a time when when human you know, human beings did

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<v Speaker 1>not have underwear, meaning they did not have as much

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<v Speaker 1>control on like how tightly bound parts of their body

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<v Speaker 1>were to their person. These are things that can get

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of say, chasing after prey or doing

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<v Speaker 1>you know, any kind of physical activity. Sure, but then

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying their pluses and minuses. I think so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But then you know, the other side is, like the

0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 1>human body, the testicles have evolved so that they there's

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>a self regulation of temperature. Uh, the scrotum is supposed

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 1>to be the one in charge of how closely compact

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.679
<v Speaker 1>the testicles are, not the individual who picks out their

0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 1>underwear in the morning. Right, So obviously this is a study.

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>We can all identify why this study is hilarious because

0:25:56.600 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 1>he's dealing with French postman whither without their underwear on,

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>and temperature differences between one testicle and the audit bus

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:08.119
<v Speaker 1>drivers too. Yes, it's it's even funnier actually if you

0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>start reading into the like their full explanation of their methods,

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.120
<v Speaker 1>because they talk about, uh, like, the methods that are

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>used to determine testicular volume. There are like units of

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>measure for that, and I think like special special apparatus.

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Uh some it's called an orchidometer or something. This is

0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the probe that was mentioned. No, I think that. I

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:31.320
<v Speaker 1>think the orchidometer, the problem is something like that. It's

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>to measure testicular volume. I don't know exactly what the

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 1>deal with the probe was that they didn't like have

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a diagram that I found. But still, again, this gets

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:44.119
<v Speaker 1>down to human biology, reproductive system. So it is an

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 1>important study, sure. I mean, as we said at the beginning,

0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:51.680
<v Speaker 1>of testicular temperature is reproductively significant. This could be useful

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>in a clinical setting when studying things about fertility. Right,

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:59.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not impossible to imagine it could influence

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.120
<v Speaker 1>under a design in the future either either reasonably so

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>with you know a situation where a doctor is saying, like, okay,

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>we it makes more sense for both testicles to be

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the same temperature, so we're going to create underwear in

0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>which the penis is positioned out of the way of

0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:19.119
<v Speaker 1>the testicles. Or perhaps more likely, you have a situation

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>where somebody who just wants to sell some underwear looks

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>at this study and starts saying, Hey, you don't want

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:28.639
<v Speaker 1>to be one of those asymmetrical testical temperature people. You

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>want to have both testicles the same temperature, and the

0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.479
<v Speaker 1>only way you're gonna do that is by buying this

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>special pair of thirty dollar underwear. Well against that person's

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>marketing concerns, I think the study found that while the

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the major differences were when people were clothed,

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>but they're also were some asymmetries even when people were naked,

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 1>depending on like what position they were in. All right, well,

0:27:51.600 --> 0:27:53.199
<v Speaker 1>on that note, we're going to take another break, but

0:27:53.280 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 1>when we come back, we will discuss diaper changing machines. Alright,

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>we're back. Why do the idea of a mechanical diaper

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:10.919
<v Speaker 1>changer horrify me, Yes, it horrifies me. And yet it

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>is also, I think a grand goal in human technology. Yeah,

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of utopian. It's like at the same time

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 1>enticing and terrifying. It's a thing that you want but

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you know you should not have. It is the very

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing that Jeff Goldblum's character in Jurassic Park

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.919
<v Speaker 1>would be irate over. Right. They were so concerned with

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>whether or not they could they didn't stop to think

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>if they should exactly. So, I've changed a few diapers

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>in my time, and uh, and I think I've even

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>wondered about the possibility of a robotic robotic diaper changer.

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>It's the kind of thing you fantasize about as you

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 1>are essentially wrestling with an infant or a toddlery, and

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.720
<v Speaker 1>especially the infant, trying to to to get at the

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>foul diaper off of them, all the while keeping them

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>from say, getting their own foot into the poop, uh

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>or and then then flinging the poop on the wall

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>with said foot trying to avoid being peed upon, especially

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>if it's a boy, and then if there's a girl.

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>There are other concerns about about where and where you

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>don't want poop. It's it's it is a high. You know,

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>we talked before about how driving is a cognitively demanding task.

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>Changing a baby's diaper is a cognitively demanding task. And uh,

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.800
<v Speaker 1>and so you you you fantasize, you think, I really

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>wish a robot could come in here and do this.

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, I don't think a robot could.

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like this has also been exit. I

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>feel like the Jetson's probably had a diaper changing robot.

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>I could find no evidence of it, But I feel

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 1>like this idea has also worked its way into fiction

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 1>in the past. And so this year's Ignaled Bells. The

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Engineering prize, in fact, went to Iranian inventor I'm men

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Fata Bakas for inventing a diaper changing machine for use

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>on human infants. Now, this is a patent. It's US

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>patent number one zero zero three four five eight two,

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>granted on July thirty one, two thousand eighteen. And I'm

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>going to read to you from the abstract quote. A

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>washer and diaper changing apparatus includes a main chamber, a

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>glass window, a seat, a leg, holder, a safety belt,

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>a diaper removing arm, a sprinkler, and a dryer. The

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:23.880
<v Speaker 1>main chamber is configured to receive an infant therein. The

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>glass window is placed on a top wall of the

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>main chamber. The seat is movably coupled to the main

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>chamber and configured for placement of the infant on the seat.

0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>The leg holder is movably coupled to the main chamber

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and configured to support at least one leg of the infant.

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>The safety belt is coupled to the seat and configured

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>to retain the infant on the seat. The sprinkler is

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>placed inside the main chamber and configured to spray water

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 1>to wash at least a portion of the infant at

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 1>least a portion of the infant. Yes, like some too,

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I guess all of the infant. Why why am Why

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.800
<v Speaker 1>am I picturing those like sealed up, self cleaning public

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>bathrooms that out in some places, like it came across

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>these in Switzerland. I don't know I've seen one of these.

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like a public bathroom. You go in it's a

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>small little building, and then you use the toilet, and

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>then when you're done, like the door shuts and like

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>a light comes on outside and it says like cleaning.

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that sounds remarkable. I guess they're a little robotic.

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, sprayers and wipers and stuff in there.

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what happens on the inside. I couldn't see.

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh surely somebody has has trapped themselves and found out,

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I should hope. So I have to admit what it

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.040
<v Speaker 1>made me think of was the surgery pod in the

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>sci fi horror film Prometheus. Uh. Horrifying scene, but I

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>think actually one of the most effective parts of the movie.

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, because if you haven't seen it. Basically,

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 1>the idea is that it is a surgery pod created

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>for a specific male individual and an elderly individual, and

0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to take care of any needs that that

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>individual has. And then our heroine in the film eventually

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>has to use it to remove a zeno more from herself.

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>But she's having a sort of uh improvised with the machine,

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 1>and it's terrifying, just like, not so much even I mean,

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>certainly it's terrifying when the thing starts cutting into her,

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>but just her climbing into it, realizing what's about to

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>happen makes for some some great sci fi horror. Uh.

0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>So yes, I thought about that throughout reading this patent. However,

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the patent does have some sketches, and when you look

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>at them, the design looks less like a high tech

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 1>surgery pod and more like a washing machine or an ovenswher.

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, a dishwasher, not a washing machine. Yeah.

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like a front loader, but it doesn't have a

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>spin cycle. Not this this version. Maybe a future model will.

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>So um A man uh of Pato Baka is an

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>associate professor of Islamic Azad University in Iran, and his

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>engineering research involves nanostructures and nanoparticles. So he's so, this

0:32:55.480 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>is a legit engineer here that has developed this. Uh.

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Here's a little more from his patent quote. The apparatus

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<v Speaker 1>may be said to be automatic and some implementations, and

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>that once the infant is placed inside the apparatus, various

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 1>steps may in some cases be carried out automatically without

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>needing the operator to touch the infant or interact manually

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 1>with the diaper or infant during the changing process, which

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>may create a more sanitary environment for the ambient area

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and the operator's hands. So I looked for more background

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>on this concept, and I wasn't able to find much

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 1>to really shed light on just like how serious he

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>is with the proposal as and you know not as

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 1>and is he does he seriously see this as a

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 1>place our technology will get to within a human lifespan?

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Or is this more of a sort of an engineering

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>thought experiment? If you could create this thing that we

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.479
<v Speaker 1>sometimes standsize about existing, how might we go about it?

0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 1>What might an apparatus like that look like? Sure? Because

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean again jokes asiety. As you mentioned earlier on,

0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>it is a job that people really probably would like

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>to source if they felt they could do it safely,

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and if it if it is a thought experiment, though,

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>it is kind of a perfect thing to think about

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 1>when contemplating the idea of having machines that operate alongside

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 1>humans or upon humans in a human environment, because I

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I can think of very few examples of such a

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:25.080
<v Speaker 1>highly sensitive and specialized job for a machine than changing

0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the diaper of an infant, because granted we desire a

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>mechanical baby changer. Because number one, it's a gross job.

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Number two, it can be challenging or frustrating to do,

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.400
<v Speaker 1>and number three it absolutely has to be done. Yeah,

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>it is a job that is in extremely high demand

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and nobody wants to do. And certainly we've already thrown

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>machines at jobs that felt that all three of these

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>bullet points, such as sewer cleaning robots, you know, creating

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>some sort of a mechanical device that goes through like

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a pipe and helps clean it out or at least

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.640
<v Speaker 1>go down there and look and see what the clog

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>might But there's far less risk in cleaning a sewer,

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 1>right right, Yeah, unlike a clog in a city sewer system.

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>A human infant is one the most valuable thing in

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>your life. Number two, it's afforded legal protection, like it

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>is a person and if you if you don't take

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>care of it correctly, you could go to prison. And

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>also it's susceptible to pain and injury. Getting more into

0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the personhood part, like this is this, this is a

0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:30.720
<v Speaker 1>human child and not a sewer clock. However, like a clock,

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the baby is limited in its ability to fend for itself,

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 1>which which I think also ties into the horror of

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>letting the machine have a go with the diaper. Now, granted,

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.280
<v Speaker 1>we already live in an age of robot assisted surgery,

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>such as various you know, prostate surgeries. But in these cases,

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the machine having an advantage in a

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>in its ability to use tiny instruments that humans would

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 1>would have, you know, a little more difficulty operating. And

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>then there's also going to be a human operator in

0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the room for those and I guess presumably with this

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 1>diaper changing device, the language of it tends to imply

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>that it's sort of hands off, or it could be

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 1>hands off the robotic baby changer. However, it doesn't really

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 1>benefit from tiny tools. It doesn't really have an advantage

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 1>over human hands or more specifically a human ability to

0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>roll with what is often a puzzle again, how to

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 1>wipe the poop without the child getting a foot in

0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the poop, how not to be pete upon, how to

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>keep the child from rolling over, grabbing the diaper and

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>flinging it, etcetera. You've ever performed this task, you know

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of things can go wrong and will

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>go wrong on the diaper changing table. Yeah, I mean,

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I see a huge difference here in that, like robot

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 1>assisted surgery is not for the purpose of allowing the

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 1>doctor to not have to do the surgery right to

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 1>like increase the doctor's capability to increase increase the efficiency

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>of the surgery. And I do not see a way

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 1>in which having the machine involved improves the efficiency of

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.560
<v Speaker 1>changing a baby's diaper. As such, I would say that

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 1>this sort of machine seems to me to be more

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>of an end game of robotics, because creating machines that

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>can work alongside us in human habitats, that's challenging. Word,

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>It's it's hard to imagine a more challenging place than

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the than the diaper changing station. To throw a machine,

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 1>uh though, that's you know, one of the reasons perhaps

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:23.480
<v Speaker 1>that he was pursuing the patent, you know, kind of

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 1>again kind of a mechanical thought experiment. And it does

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>serve as an interesting way to discuss home robotics. I mean,

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I think this highlights interesting questions about the future of

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 1>robotics and and it reveals our intuitions that they are

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>already there about Like, what are the kinds of places

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>where least comfortable with allowing robots to be implemented? I mean,

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 1>even if you came up with a pretty good robotics

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>system that worked pretty much all the time, people still

0:37:51.040 --> 0:37:55.280
<v Speaker 1>probably just not feel comfortable with, like allowing robotic arms

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<v Speaker 1>to be moving around near their near their baby, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like one of my for very understandable reasons. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>like one of my I think a very positive area

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<v Speaker 1>of robot exploration is in elder care, particularly in among

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese robotics companies. And in that case too, you know

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at aging population with fewer individuals to look

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<v Speaker 1>after them. And also you're dealing with environments where if,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, if you need help getting up and down

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<v Speaker 1>from a toilet, which is something that you know that

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<v Speaker 1>that cannon will happen with with individual of advanced age,

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<v Speaker 1>that might be the kind of situation where you would say, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I would prefer to have a robotic helper with to

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<v Speaker 1>engage with me in a situation like that. However, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're still dealing with you know, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>rational individual and not a complete infant. Who again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so many problems come to mind when you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>just sticking the baby inside of the diaper changing device

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<v Speaker 1>and letting it do its thing. Like best case scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>you put the baby in and you just get an

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<v Speaker 1>air a message. It's like trying to operate any printer,

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<v Speaker 1>or all you want to do is is get this

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<v Speaker 1>one thing done, But there are a million things that

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<v Speaker 1>can and do go wrong, and you just end up

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<v Speaker 1>having to do something else, change the diaper yourself. In

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<v Speaker 1>this case, with printers. I think we've talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before, haven't we That like, printers seem

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<v Speaker 1>to follow an inverse law of technological advancement, where like

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<v Speaker 1>as most technology becomes better and better and more and

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<v Speaker 1>more user friendly, printers always go in the opposite direction,

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<v Speaker 1>like every year they get worse and more incompatible with everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the last time I went to buy one,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, you know, Apple makes pretty good uh computers,

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<v Speaker 1>but they make a pretty good printer. I'm gonna buy

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<v Speaker 1>that printer. I don't care if it's overpriced. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course they don't make a printer their printers that are

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<v Speaker 1>compatible with their machines. But it's almost as if they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not touching that. That's just too complicated. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be bad for our brand. Have the printer. We'll do

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<v Speaker 1>the printer when we do the baby changing robot, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna go ahead and call it there, because

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<v Speaker 1>let's see, we covered poop, We cover more poop, more poops, qurotums,

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria you might associate with poop, right, Yeah, the diaper

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<v Speaker 1>robots really just a good haul overall. Now, once again

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<v Speaker 1>we did not cover all of the winners here. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even list them. There were some more interesting ones.

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<v Speaker 1>There was one about the health effects of eating pizza,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically Italian pizza made in Italy. Does it prevent cancer?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that one got picked up in in the

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<v Speaker 1>media a lot. Yeah, there's another one that I think

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<v Speaker 1>we want to return to at some point, just as

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<v Speaker 1>a follow up to an episode we did earlier this

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<v Speaker 1>year about the facial feedback hypothesis. And this had to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the psychologists involved in early research on the

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<v Speaker 1>facial feedback hypothesis participating in failed replications of their own work,

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<v Speaker 1>and and that leads to an interesting, bigger discussion about, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the role, like how you communicate scientific validity

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<v Speaker 1>and whether effects are quote real or not. H So

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<v Speaker 1>that's worth revisiting, I think absolutely. If you want to

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0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:42.359
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