WEBVTT -  Daredevil: Born Again S2E05: "The Grand Design"

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<v Speaker 1>Warning today's episode, can you spoil us for dared Evil

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<v Speaker 1>Born Again Season two Episode five you wond Hello, My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Jason, Up to you and on Rosey Night,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to Next Revision, the podcast where we

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<v Speaker 2>Last news in today's episode is episode two five of

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<v Speaker 2>Dead Evil Born Again Season two, The Grand Design.

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<v Speaker 3>So we will be.

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<v Speaker 2>Recapping this action packed episode and be finding out whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not Vanessa is dead or alive, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>will be bringing in super producer Aaron to ask us

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<v Speaker 2>some burning questions about Dead Evil Born Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Daredevil Episode five I have season two The Grand Design.

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<v Speaker 1>We open up with Vanessa in very very rough shape.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in the hospital, not that police still out, but

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<v Speaker 1>power she might be brain dead, she might be dying.

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<v Speaker 4>And is that well said, it's yours?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well it's really Bullseye's fault. But yes, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>to Vanessa and and Wilson's fault. It's both of their faults.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all involved in.

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<v Speaker 2>This complicit action, complicit and Vanessa's head getting a gloss

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<v Speaker 2>ornament in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson is absolutely flipping out. Powell comes over to Vanessa's

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<v Speaker 1>room to tell Fisk that of course they have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea where Useless and Matt are, and Fisk is like,

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<v Speaker 1>any resources you need to find them, you just tell me.

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<v Speaker 4>But I want them alive, alive, they'll be killing them.

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<v Speaker 4>Do it after escape that.

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<v Speaker 1>Many have screenshot that appears to show Matt running by

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<v Speaker 1>the watcher.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, crazy, crazy and brat as you Jason Brad Windebaum

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<v Speaker 2>seem to share it and say, you know what if.

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<v Speaker 1>No intentional or not, like, is that really here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's unintentional, and that those were fluorescent lights

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<v Speaker 1>caught in a specific way that said smart to go

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<v Speaker 1>with it, mister Winderbaum. You guys need to Alfred Hitchcock

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<v Speaker 1>this thing and put a watcher somewhere in every episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Marvel TV.

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<v Speaker 4>People would love it in a series. Also, I love

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<v Speaker 4>that the Matthew and Decks together. That name is Max.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the ship name. It's just Max, just a really

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<v Speaker 4>normal shipping name.

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<v Speaker 1>So Matt drags Decks into a resistance kitchen and the

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<v Speaker 1>workers are like, you know, it's like the kitchen for

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<v Speaker 1>some restaurant somewhere where. Apparently like all the restaurant workers

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<v Speaker 1>are in the Resistance, which you.

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<v Speaker 5>Love love to, you know, like to to Superros come

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<v Speaker 5>come barging into the kitchen and Daredel was like, where's

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<v Speaker 5>the where's the boiler room?

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<v Speaker 3>And the workers are like that way go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And also like one of them is a math

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<v Speaker 2>modera who's been like another math matter and they're like

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<v Speaker 2>it's cool, We're fine.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, We're all on this.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Bedfellows it's a coalition now. Dex is like

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<v Speaker 1>get out of here. Matt like leave me, shave yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt won't leave him. Boyfriend Dan answers press calls

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<v Speaker 1>from the hospital because everybody in the city and in

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<v Speaker 1>the nation is like Vanessa, Vanessa, Vanessa, Is she dead?

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<v Speaker 4>Is she dead?

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, how dare you ask that kind of question

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<v Speaker 1>right now? They says in a situation I can't talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you about.

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<v Speaker 4>Blah blah blah bb text.

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<v Speaker 1>Simon is like, Hey, meet me at the vending machine.

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<v Speaker 1>I stuck into the hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>Come for fuck's sake.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby dad comes over. He's like, what are you doing

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<v Speaker 1>baby heady here? Yeah, the may is going crazy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in a rage. If he sees you here, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you apart from Limb and Bibi's like, just give me

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<v Speaker 1>the scoop.

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Is she desperate for the news, like they have taken

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<v Speaker 2>a day off, Like take a day off from getting

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<v Speaker 2>a scoop, it's not healthy.

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<v Speaker 4>She's like, is she alive?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Vanessa alive? And Dan is like, you gotta listen.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta promise me, you'ren't gonna tell anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like, Dad, are you my worst person to tell?

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, at this point that she's telling someone like

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<v Speaker 2>come on, my.

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<v Speaker 4>Boy, come on on.

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<v Speaker 1>And Dad's like, okay, we listen between you and me

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<v Speaker 1>and the ConA silence. Okay, she's in critical condition. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very said, it's touch and go right now, but she's alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Incomes Vanessa's surgeon, neurosurgeon, doctor Muradi, comes to see Fisk,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, listen, it's very sensitive right now, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's on a knife's edge. Vanessa's on a very tough

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<v Speaker 1>stage and I'm going to do everything i can and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very skilled. I'm very good at this, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're just a lot of this is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a waiting game. Meanwhile, Vanessa is in her dying

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<v Speaker 1>mind palace, wandering around this mind palace in.

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<v Speaker 2>Her home with Vanessa like the whole character, she's just

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<v Speaker 2>quite crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like they couldn't give her Eddy arc outside of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're doing it now that she's on death's door. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that she's in her mind palace wandering around reliving

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<v Speaker 1>memories of like her the the time in her life

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<v Speaker 1>when she's about to meet Wilson, she's at the art

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<v Speaker 1>gallery and talking about the painting they will bond over

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<v Speaker 1>and you know all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, Dex is like, fuck, I hope I got her.

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<v Speaker 4>Dude, He's stressed. He's like, fuck she's dead. Like He's like,

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<v Speaker 4>I really And by the way, can we just say

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<v Speaker 4>how how they're like in the Morlock tunnels down here?

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's why if they.

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<v Speaker 1>Go on to this like go the room or a

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant and end up wandering. I was thinking through these

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<v Speaker 1>like holes.

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<v Speaker 4>I was thinking about this, right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this does this mean in every version of New

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<v Speaker 2>York in the multiverse there is like a tunnel system

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<v Speaker 2>like what happens in the Fantastic Four when they go

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<v Speaker 2>and live underneath the ground, because it really does seem

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<v Speaker 2>like New York just has unending tunnels under that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like Paris, you know, the Catacombs at Paris. I

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely love that this is the case in MCU fictional

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<v Speaker 1>New York. Anyway, dec is like, fuck, man, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>I got her and that the scales in her balance

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<v Speaker 1>and everything's okay if I got her and I'm ready,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I'm ready to He's been shot in the gut,

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<v Speaker 1>he's bleeding, he's bleeding out, he's seriously hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like, man, I fucking you know, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 1>To go now because I got I hope I got

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<v Speaker 1>knock on Wood, I hope I got Vanessa.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready to go. Seems like he's found religion.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like telling Matt, like I should when I

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<v Speaker 1>fell off, when you threw me off a five story building,

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<v Speaker 1>I should have died.

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<v Speaker 3>How is it that I'm alive?

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<v Speaker 2>We weays, He said, God kept me alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Kill this someone to kill Vanessa Fisk to put a

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<v Speaker 1>shard of a memorial scrapping in the kitchen, Wilson fist

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<v Speaker 1>Crystal Crystal bust into her brain and I hope it

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<v Speaker 1>happens so now I can go. And Matt meanwhile, is like,

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<v Speaker 1>and he keeps on bringing up like and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry about Foggy, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I's liked, stop stop talking about Foggy.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I just want you to know I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 3>about it.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like, I killed Foggy, so now I have to

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<v Speaker 4>kill Vanessa to balance the scales. I'm sorry. And Matt's like,

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<v Speaker 4>just fucking stop talking about my best friend up.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, Matt like what what what use would Foggy have

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<v Speaker 2>been this season?

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, like what would he have done?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe helped Kristen run the fucking law firm that you abandoned,

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<v Speaker 2>but otherwise, like, honestly, like she needs to help me.

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<v Speaker 1>And while Matt is wandering around in his own memory palace,

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<v Speaker 1>his own mind palace, he's reminiscing about everyone in the

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<v Speaker 1>early days of him and Foggy, like after law school,

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<v Speaker 1>working at the public defender's office, they're time together as

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers defending a client named McCoy and how yeah, Foggy

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<v Speaker 1>and Matt suggested a plea deal out of jail. You

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<v Speaker 1>know you'll be out of jail in three to four years.

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<v Speaker 1>And McCoy is like, I can't do that because guys

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to kill me. If I go inside, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>kill me. Like, if I go to jail three, I

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<v Speaker 1>won't make it three four hours. They're gonna kill me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be dead in twenty four hours, Matt. And Matt

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<v Speaker 1>is like, this is Matt before he's learned about the

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<v Speaker 1>streets and learned about how the streets work and how

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<v Speaker 1>York works. He's like, what are you talking about? Like

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<v Speaker 1>this system works, go in and be fine. And Matt

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<v Speaker 1>and Foggy at this point don't realize that they are

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<v Speaker 1>like a cog in the Fisk machine, the organized crime

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<v Speaker 1>Fisk machine, the legal art. We stay in the past again,

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<v Speaker 1>the early days of Fisk and Vanessa, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson Fisk's mind palace. Now he is talking with his

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<v Speaker 1>former right hand man Rip Wesley, and they're discussing, like

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<v Speaker 1>ways to diversify his illegal cash hoard and what about bitcoin?

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<v Speaker 1>And West is like, I don't like bitcoin, it's too volatile.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get you into art. I know somebody with a

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<v Speaker 1>gallery who you can talk and this is Will and

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<v Speaker 1>now we go to the President and Wilson is gets

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<v Speaker 1>to watch like Vanessa in brain surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>Insane by the way, Like get him out of that,

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<v Speaker 2>he's duty. He'd just been scrapping in the kitchen, Like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a big window anyway. I've always wondered that,

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<v Speaker 2>why is that real or do they just have that

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<v Speaker 2>in movies, because like people really be watching surgery like

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<v Speaker 2>that in the Symptoms.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like something like a throwback to like the

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<v Speaker 1>early days of medicine when people would sit in the gallery. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because like medical and learn how to do it type yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to do it anyway, madd index are still

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<v Speaker 1>like straggling through the Morlock tunnels to these.

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<v Speaker 4>Fucking vast labyrinth of crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt is dragging him forward, I guess to some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a hospital or a night nurse situation. We

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<v Speaker 1>get another flashback Foggy and Matt. Now this is Matt's

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<v Speaker 1>flashback mind palace and they're working at the at their

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer's office for and uh. They are in trouble now

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't let the guy cop a plea because

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<v Speaker 1>he was like I'm gonna get killed they work over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. They're working on the papers, coloning papers, and

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<v Speaker 1>Foggy realizes that the warrant from McCoys to the wrong address,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing is like fruit of the poison tree.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna like fall apart. Foggy's like, why don't we

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<v Speaker 1>just like scuttle the case with like destroy the case,

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<v Speaker 1>because like we've got this evidence that they didn't file

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence tree is poisoned, and we'll get him out

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<v Speaker 1>of jail.

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<v Speaker 4>And Matt is like, we can't do that because he's

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<v Speaker 4>a bad guy. He should be in jail.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to you know, we can't scuttle our own case.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like against how.

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<v Speaker 3>The rules work.

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<v Speaker 1>And they argue about it, and Foggy says, like, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to do this. We are McCoy's lawyers, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly advocate for him.

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<v Speaker 4>Still in the still in.

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<v Speaker 1>Flashback world, but now Wilson fisks flashback, which is very confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>We just like are going through flashbacks.

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<v Speaker 4>The memory palaces are real. It's a it's like like

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<v Speaker 4>the Morlock tunnels.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sprawling, and we see Wesley set Fisk up with

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, hey, you need a hit man, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a great guy, and we all know who this is

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, so I guess this is like, is this Dan's anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess this is maybe Dan's flashback. Dan is now

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<v Speaker 1>watching the news break on s N one Vanessa Fisk

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<v Speaker 1>and critical condition. This might be Buck's flashback. I mean, rather,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah comes over. It's unclear to me where.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Buck comes over, and then they're gonna go get

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<v Speaker 2>the mysterious hot dog slash street meet slash.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's a good point. Yeah, So Buck is like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go get a hot dog now.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Confirmed that it was supposed to be a hot dog

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<v Speaker 2>in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Other right, Well, no, hold on, Aaron is saying, this

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty Yes, I know this is present day, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Wesley setting Fisk up with a hit man is a.

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<v Speaker 4>Flashback, And the question is who's flashback. It can't be Matts. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's probably there because Buck is the hit man the.

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<v Speaker 1>But then it can't be Bucks because Buck also wasn't there,

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<v Speaker 1>so it must be Fisks because Wesley is dead anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>very confusing. Right in the present, the subject of Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>Fisks flashback. Buck comes up to Dan and it is like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go get a hot dog. Now we've gone through

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<v Speaker 1>the hot dog thing in the in the discord, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go through it. I'll just say that, however,

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<v Speaker 1>that object was wrapped in the previous episode.

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<v Speaker 4>There's much a hot dog. That's not how.

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<v Speaker 1>Hot dogs are wrapped in New York, that's how subs

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<v Speaker 1>are rapped, whatever. But now they're going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>hot dog. Who knows what they're gonna talk about?

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<v Speaker 4>Who knows?

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<v Speaker 2>And Dan honestly like, don't go. That's my biggest thing,

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<v Speaker 2>is like I just feel like, don't go. I'm sorry, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I know you have an excuse, go see your

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<v Speaker 2>mom or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Murati comes over after the surgery and is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it went well and I'm very hopeful. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't like a car repair shop. I can't tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that. Like it's gonna work, yeah, which obviously Fisk

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<v Speaker 1>is unhappy about. But what's he gonna do.

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<v Speaker 4>Buck is not going to get a hot dog. He

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<v Speaker 4>is driving Albany.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going up to the capital region and Buck is like,

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<v Speaker 1>let me tell you a story about a young special

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<v Speaker 1>Forces guy in Afghanistan sas guy, and over there in Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just committing war crimes. Years could shoot cutting out

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<v Speaker 1>like teeth, just killing, killing, killing, killing, assassinations. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, proud of it, loves loved his work, loved

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<v Speaker 1>what he was doing. And he's and he's like, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, that's me. And then he says, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very loyal to Wilson Fisk because he just he

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<v Speaker 1>saw something in me. They stop at a house somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>and Buck is like, stay in the car, Dan, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go in there and handle something or other. Dan

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty much freaking.

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<v Speaker 2>He is sure that he was about to get muddered,

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<v Speaker 2>like one hundred Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Adriana, like in the car, like on the drive,

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<v Speaker 1>like in the last drive, like he's feeling the heat.

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<v Speaker 1>He's seen that episode of the Sopranos. He knows a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that looks like his father in it, and he

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<v Speaker 1>knows it, like this is how it's done right. He

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<v Speaker 1>almost gets out of the car and runs, but then

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't, and Buck comes out with like a sawzall

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<v Speaker 1>and a shovel. I would probably die just then in

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<v Speaker 1>the car, like I just have a hot We get

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<v Speaker 1>another flashback and now it seems like this is Buck's

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<v Speaker 1>flashback because Buck is there. It's young Buck Cashman, the

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<v Speaker 1>hitman that Wesley called, and he's getting his first assignment

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<v Speaker 1>for Wilson Fisk, which is to kill Matt and Foggy's

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<v Speaker 1>client McCoy, who is just now getting released from jail

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to Foggy. Matt i Corumbah and McCoy is knows

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna die soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go to break well right back, and we're back.

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<v Speaker 4>In the present.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt finally through the tunnels, gets Decks to the church hideout,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get some more of Matt's recollections in the

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<v Speaker 1>mind palace. We see Foggy gives McCoy money. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he emptied, like his savings account is like

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<v Speaker 1>get out of it, like you gotta get out of town,

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<v Speaker 1>Get out of town. And in the present, Decks and

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<v Speaker 1>Matt get philosophical about religion, about balancing the scales, about

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<v Speaker 1>violence and the whole thing. Powell shows up at the church.

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<v Speaker 1>The priest opens the door and it's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh's going here.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Matt and Dex are like in the hideout, which

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<v Speaker 1>is up in the attic somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they're like going to hide.

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<v Speaker 1>Like further up in the church, Matt goes to run,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he goes back to save Decks, despite Decks

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<v Speaker 1>being Foggy's murderer, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Lay me, like just leave me, Like I don't not

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<v Speaker 2>leave to go, and like I gotta save you because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Catholic, I guess I gotta do it, and they

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<v Speaker 2>get away.

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<v Speaker 1>Up in Albany, it's basically the Pine Barrens episode from Sopranos,

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<v Speaker 1>which again is ironic.

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<v Speaker 3>They pull into the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan is like, fuck, Buck's gonna kill me now, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like begging for his life.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me go.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I didn't liak the videos. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who leaked the videos, and just let me go out.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's like are you loyal? Are you loyal? Are

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<v Speaker 4>you loyal? And he's like I'm loyal, man, but like

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<v Speaker 4>just let me so fucking loyal.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't you can't believe how loyal aim And he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to prove it now. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>pops the trunk and it's Christophe's body in the trunk

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like you gotta help me cut up this

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<v Speaker 1>body and fucking bury.

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<v Speaker 3>It, which is disgusting, but I know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's better than dying, so you gotta do it right,

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<v Speaker 4>and you didn't kill the guy, so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it's like, this is so tough, though, because

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<v Speaker 2>I I love this moment for Dan, because they play

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<v Speaker 2>it up so well where you really think that Buck's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna kill him because he's obviously been leaking shit to

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<v Speaker 2>b B.

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<v Speaker 4>But then instead because.

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<v Speaker 2>Buy he like the time, like calm the bus on.

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<v Speaker 2>He's probably the one who gave her the key to

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<v Speaker 2>the basement of fucking Gracie Mansion to make the videos

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<v Speaker 2>like come on bar and but I love that. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like Buck almost giving him a second chance. He's like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever's going on, Just fucking chop this body up and

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<v Speaker 2>then you're as commis as the rest of us and there's.

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<v Speaker 4>No other leaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like he's giving him a chance, but also you

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<v Speaker 2>should probably leave at this point, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So we go back to the flashback of Matt and

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<v Speaker 1>Foggy and it's actually Bucks flashback this time, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>Buck killing McCoy for Fisk, and Buck gets away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the tunnels. Man is Now they're back in

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking tunnels again.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the tunnels, by the way, connect to

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<v Speaker 1>check a random restaurant, to the church, to Frank's basement

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<v Speaker 1>hide out.

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<v Speaker 4>These are incredible and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope they use these in the MCU for the Morlocks

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<v Speaker 1>for real exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And also as well I go in, I'm like they

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<v Speaker 2>apparently also like are implied to connect to like CLA's

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<v Speaker 2>house because he mentions that he's gonna take him to

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<v Speaker 2>the night now. So I just love this, and let's

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<v Speaker 2>make a blueprint system. Guys, come on, let's walk out

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<v Speaker 2>wherever all of these places connect to. It's pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So they go to Frank's hideout. Karen sees them staggering.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, fucking kidding me? Is that fucking decks the

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Foggy Nelson our great friend together. Meanwhile in

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital, you know Fisk is in is in deep, deep,

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<v Speaker 1>deep depression. But then Vanessa puts her hand on Fisk's

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<v Speaker 1>hand and it's like a ray of sunshine hits the

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<v Speaker 1>great bald head of Wilson Fisk and he fucking loses

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<v Speaker 1>it is weeping like a four hundred and fifty pound

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<v Speaker 1>six six foot seven baby cry like weeping hard shutters

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<v Speaker 1>of weeping lacromos.

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<v Speaker 4>Vanessa's like, yeah, Vanessa is like, you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>parched after my brain surgery. Will you get me a

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<v Speaker 4>pineapple juice with ice?

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<v Speaker 3>You don't like pineapple juice? Oh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's very clear in this moment that Vanessa, from

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<v Speaker 1>whatever happened to her, she's like, she's different now, her

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<v Speaker 1>personality has maybe shifted.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a different woman.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, and while Fisk is grappling with this

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<v Speaker 1>sudden predilection for pineapple juice, which formerly Vanessa hated, Vanessa

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<v Speaker 1>is so specific. Vanessa is now like, tell me a story,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me a story of how we met. And we

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<v Speaker 1>know that in her mind palace, in her dying mind palace,

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<v Speaker 1>she's been thinking about this, and she talks about She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, remember the painting. Remember the day, Remember

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<v Speaker 1>when we met and I sold you the painting. I

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<v Speaker 1>overcharged you by a lot, I went, I would have

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<v Speaker 1>paid anything.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have chopped off my leg.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have given an arm and a leg and.

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<v Speaker 6>Jump boyfriend in the dungeon. Oh I did that anything.

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<v Speaker 6>I would have given you the last drops of my

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<v Speaker 6>blood for that painting because it gave us our time together,

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<v Speaker 6>and she's like, wonderful, I still want to hear that

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<v Speaker 6>story about how we met. But before he can even

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<v Speaker 6>get to that, she has a fucking seizure and the

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<v Speaker 6>next thing you know, she's going into that big bright

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<v Speaker 6>light that is hell, not heaven, because she's going downstairs.

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<v Speaker 2>No way, she's saying that great big marble studios with

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<v Speaker 2>the sky baby, I mean way, she's doing hell.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's going, going, going, and she's gone.

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<v Speaker 4>But as the physicus out here, she is dad, oh no,

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<v Speaker 4>And we know now this means that's the end of

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<v Speaker 4>the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd like go in silence to the to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode, and we know now this means Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>Fisk is gonna be cut loose and he's gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Be fucking it's gonna be wild, man like he is

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna They're gonna need to send Where's where's Matthew Lillard?

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<v Speaker 4>Bring him back because.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna on the manas like you've just been letting

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<v Speaker 2>him run around like crazy out here.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's go to an ad and we'll be right

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<v Speaker 1>back with Aaron to talk about this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Ri I P so many flashbacks. I didn't even really

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<v Speaker 4>realize when I was watching it.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we got to talk about that too.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome eron to the show, Aaron, how are you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm really excited to be here for Vanessa's retirement tour

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<v Speaker 7>where we all just look fondly on her, her incredible

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<v Speaker 7>pillar in the art community.

0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 4>She's never done anything wrong in her life.

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<v Speaker 3>I know our community just focus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I mean she was on she was on Banksy

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<v Speaker 1>before anybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to say I appreciate that she was

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<v Speaker 2>scaming Wilson from the get go like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's a scambro.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about the flashbacks for a second, because

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<v Speaker 1>it is a little so it's so it's clear that

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<v Speaker 1>there are there's Matt's flashback early days of him and Foggy,

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<v Speaker 1>there is Vanessa's flashback early days of her and Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>There is Wilson's Wilson's flashback him and Wesley hiring Buck.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's been talking about flashback his side of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they all kind of mixed together in this very

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<v Speaker 1>weird here's my pitch ready, Brad window, Here's how you

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<v Speaker 1>make sense of this, this is the watcher. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the of the watcher, understanding the entire story as one story, Brad.

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<v Speaker 4>Because Jason said that's free.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I like that too, because not to be too philosophical,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, are we not the watchers of this so

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<v Speaker 2>connecting shit?

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<v Speaker 4>We are the overseers who keep this all going so

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<v Speaker 4>and no matter how many things you post, one cannot interfere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we cannot interfere exactly. Like, but when we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>it like that. I like that explanation because it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of when I was watching it, actually it did flow

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<v Speaker 2>together in a way that made sense. But when you're

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.320
<v Speaker 2>going back and saying how many flashbacks you are, you like, wait,

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 2>this is kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it reminds me of Listen.

0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>It's very much like you don't notice until you start picking.

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<v Speaker 3>Your part exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like saving Private Ryan the entire Okay, saving this

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 1>is off topic, but we're gonna no, no, I need this

0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 1>die badge and come on, Stephen. A concept saving Okay,

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Saving Private Ryan opens with an with an aged Private

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Ryan and his like three hot granddaughters going to the

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 1>graveyard at Normandy Beach, right, and he falls on his

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 1>knees in front of the gravestone of Captain Miller, understanding

0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 1>that this great sacrifice had happened in order to save him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he goes into his mind palace to recollect

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<v Speaker 1>about this great adventure, and he starts on.

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<v Speaker 4>D Day and he's not there exactly.

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 1>He's not there for sixty seventy five percent of the

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 1>story until he shows up, so he doesn't know about

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:50.959
<v Speaker 1>any of this. And it's very if you can't like whatever,

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>if you that's all, that's all I'm saying, Aaron, sorry

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to cut you off your thoughts about this episode.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I feel bad for anyone who didn't get

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<v Speaker 7>a flashback, because, like you said, we were going real,

0:26:04.200 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 7>real fast and loose with who got him? It was

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 7>good to see flash No Karen, No, Karen, Yeah, No McDuffie,

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:12.160
<v Speaker 7>what was she doing back then?

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:16.400
<v Speaker 4>I love you said this Jason earlier. I love Wesley.

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 7>Wesley was my favorite part I think of season one,

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 7>and it was so nice to see him back.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 4>And it's I like Buck. I like Buck. I like Buck.

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 7>Here in the flashback where he's dressed like Bucky, he

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 7>like literally looks like Winter Soldier. He has the exact

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 7>same Marvel outfit. But Buck is great, but he's no

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 7>Wesley Man.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was so cool.

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 7>There was a lot of this episode that felt like

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<v Speaker 7>the greatest hits of season one.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of yes, I feel like they were trying to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with that, especially with like Vanessa.

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Vanessa's death scare the Sewers is just like when

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.919
<v Speaker 7>Matt and Vladimir are in the Sewers and Vladimir's like

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 7>leave me and I'll gun them down, and you know,

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 7>Matt and Foggy arguing about what's right and ethical.

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 4>You know, it was situation.

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Good to show here that Foggy was really the more

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 2>radical one, Like he's kind of theigiration behind Matt's knew Wow.

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 7>You know, like I really like that. I like that

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 7>they reached out to him, like we want to bring

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 7>you back for one episode. We're gonna just insult you

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 7>the whole time. We got the mean, mean nicknames for you.

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 7>But you're gonna come back and you're gonna give away

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 7>the money.

0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.480
<v Speaker 4>It'll be nice, and you're gonna be the right. You're

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 4>gonna be in the right. Yes, you'll be right.

0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's talk about Vanessa and her wanderings in the

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 1>mind palace and what I thought, I have to say

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 1>was a very effective rug pull.

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 7>Oh.

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 4>I really enjoyed this the technique in.

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>The craft here because I was like, oh, she's gonna

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.640
<v Speaker 1>be she's gonna live, but she's gonna be like totally

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 1>different now and this.

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:54.399
<v Speaker 4>Is and she's not gonna be a criminal.

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>This has happened and she's gonna remember it and she yeah,

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:04.360
<v Speaker 1>and she's gonna be like good now exactly. She likes

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 1>pineapple juice now and she hates crime.

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Pineapple juices like has so many weird connotations too.

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 4>It's like so couldn't be any other juice, Like, yeah.

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 2>It's a strange choice, but she loves pineapple juice hates crime.

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Like I was really did not see this as like

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>timon I I.

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Thought it was a twist and so and right when

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.439
<v Speaker 1>you're I'm grappling with that, like okay, so this is

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna be fisk is gonna have to like figure out

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>like she's gone, Oh it was. I thought it was good. Aaron,

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 1>how is how did you react to to this twist?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, when she comes back and asks like tell me

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 7>the story about us, Like I love that, you know,

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 7>this like humanizing Fisk. I think the show is at

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 7>its best when you you kind of are on fisk side.

0:28:55.640 --> 0:29:00.120
<v Speaker 4>A little bit, even though that's why they yeah story.

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and again with the season one, you know, backstories

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 7>and everything when you're getting his flashbacks and what his

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 7>dad was. But and then when she does it again,

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 7>I was like, oh, so does he is? She now

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 7>gonna have no short term memory and they're gonna be together,

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 7>but he's gonna be even more sympathetic and doing even

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 7>more horrible things on the side. And then to completely

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 7>take her out of it. You're right, Jason, Like, we

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 7>are going We're going to get Fisk. He's been on

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 7>his he is going to be so well and he

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 7>already beat.

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 4>A guy that death in the ring.

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now he's gonna be completely unleashilled.

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:43.360
<v Speaker 4>He killed his boxing coach just because he was mad like.

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>And the boxing coach was not at the boxing match,

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 2>so I know him do well?

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Like No.

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I love this because this essentially sets up for the

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>last few episodes of the show, allowing Wilson to be

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>completely off the reservation, like he is out completely in

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>a different situation. He is not gonna have Vanessa tying

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 2>him down he's not gonna have the ideas of respectability.

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 4>Tying him down.

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Like I think this is where we see him go

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>from mere fisk to mere kingpin. Basically, I think that's

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>what we're gonna get.

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.160
<v Speaker 7>You're I think you for forget which one you said

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 7>it last week, but the idea that you know, when

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.960
<v Speaker 7>we get the Governor saying to Vanessa, you're the only

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 7>one that can control him, I trust you to keep

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 7>his his worst things in check, that was that we

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 7>should have known, you know that. Yeah, that's just the setup.

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 7>That's like, okay, it's been loaded. The gun is here,

0:30:39.440 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 7>like Chekhov is going to shoot.

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 4>And we are.

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you make a great point too, because now

0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.280
<v Speaker 2>that Vanessa, because obviously you know she was in our deadpool.

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 2>So I think we all got points for that one

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>after last episode. Good for us RP Vanessa. But I

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 2>also think Aaron, this heightens the risk of the Governor

0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>dying because there's no one. Now he's just gonna be like, yes,

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 2>like's is.

0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 4>Gonna move on.

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 7>The Governor has to. I mean when he has to

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 7>take her out. When says they're going to Albany, I

0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 7>thought they were doing. I was like, oh, Okay, is

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 7>Dan gonna have to kill her? That was what I thought,

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 7>but instead, you know, the date midday undertaking, I guess

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 7>is a similar thing for Dan.

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 4>But still, guys, Albany is a crazy place.

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>If you ever been there, it's like insane that it's

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the capital, Like it's so crazy.

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, the capital region in general is a very strange,

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>complex thing, and Albany is like a hollow town.

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 4>That's the best way to describe it. Like everything is

0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 4>like closed, everything is creepy.

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Everything is close a center of government for the entire state,

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and there's like what you know, big city, big medium

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>sized city ish and it's like there's the one main

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>street where stuff is kind of open.

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 4>Wander out of that and it's like a cardboard town. Terrific.

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 4>I went there for.

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>A wedding and literally, like the afternoon when I wasn't

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 2>wedding in I like managed to find like one good

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 2>slice of pizza and then everything was just like a weird,

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>creepy like kid's clothes shop or something, and nothing was branded.

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even like an H and M. It's all

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>like weird indie mum and pop shop, very limited weird.

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I'm not.

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 2>I feel like Albanie is exactly the kind of place

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 2>where you're gonna get killed by an assassin, So I

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like her being there is not going well for her.

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Can we talk about the I mean, it must be

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>weird to be in an episode of a show that

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>feels like it is like mirroring the show that your

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:53.360
<v Speaker 1>father was famous for. Yes, I wonder if you like

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.239
<v Speaker 1>this is a very I mean, Dan's plotline is an

0:32:56.320 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>extremely Soprano's plotline. I think they cost you one, but

0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>even more so this time.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 4>That must be so crazy.

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 7>And at times it's not because at times it's dealing

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 7>with social media and it is dealing with a very

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 7>different side of things. This was so like him bringing

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 7>out an electric saw and a shovel. This could have

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 7>happened anytime in the last thirty years, kind of.

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 2>I also like, I kinda I love it too, because

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>he did play his dad right, and they did like

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 2>a Sopranos sequel.

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 3>He did play movie sint of New Jersey something.

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And and like I love that he's getting

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 2>to kind of do a virgin here where him being

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 2>in it is metatextually referential, but he's also getting to

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 2>have a storyline that you would never really fully get

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:50.840
<v Speaker 2>to have in The Sopranos if you were playing Tony

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Soprano's son, which is like you're really dealing with the reality.

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 4>Of getting into this. It's almost like a what do

0:33:58.720 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 4>they call him?

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Like before you're made man, you're like a funny guy

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 2>or something shit, you're a social or whatever like so

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 2>like it's kind of like him taking that watching him

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>get to choose whether or not.

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 4>To take that step.

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 2>And I have to say something that's incredible about the

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 2>young active place Dan is like I still don't phoene. Yeah,

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 2>I still don't fucking know, Like I don't know if

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna ultimately do the right thing or if he's

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna turn on Beebe because he is the heir apparent

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:29.959
<v Speaker 2>and Buck sees him that way, and Buck not killing

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 2>him and giving him this opportunity is telling him you

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 2>can be next.

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a really great performance, Like I really am enjoying

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I love that Michael Gandelfini's performance in this show because

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:46.880
<v Speaker 1>it is he there's not a ton like on the page,

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>but he's bringing the tension of he's very fond of

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>Bee of Biebe, to the point of clearly as a

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 1>crush on her, but also she's coming to represent this

0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 1>like pull of like the right thing versus the pull

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 1>of the wrong thing, like a human of doing the

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:07.560
<v Speaker 1>right thing, just generally, like being a good person versus

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:13.200
<v Speaker 1>being pulled into, you know, further into Wilson's orbit via Buck.

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>But also like there's that layer of he like loves

0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>the trappings of yeah he's marriage. I love it, Like

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.800
<v Speaker 1>yeah money, he gets to be at the scrap and

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>at the kitchen boxing match where a guy died. He

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 1>bulls like Kilvanessa, like he's in the room where it happened,

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and that's very seductive to him, even though he knows

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 1>that it's all wrong.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 4>And I just think it's a great performance.

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 2>I love that too, Jason, because you also pull on

0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>something that originally I thought was actually a kind of.

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.800
<v Speaker 4>Not necessarily like a plot issue.

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 2>But we had kind of talked a lot about how

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Beebe's choices are like often really silly and like she

0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't do.

0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 4>A good job.

0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:02.839
<v Speaker 2>She's she's often bringing dumbbe energy. But I actually think

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 2>that in the grand scheme of things, the show is

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>making a point, which is like the people who are

0:36:07.560 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to do the right thing, often make mistakes.

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:10.839
<v Speaker 4>They're leaderless.

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Right, you don't get a lot of fucking good shit

0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:16.920
<v Speaker 2>from being on the right side of history. But everything

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>that Buck does, everything that you know freakin' Wilson Fisk does,

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 2>it has a sheen of like, this is success, this

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 2>is the real world. This is the well done, well

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 2>put together world. Are you gonna give that up for

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 2>someone who's just constantly making dumb mistakes, even if she's

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 2>doing the right thing. Like, I actually think that they're

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:37.919
<v Speaker 2>leveraging it in a really interesting way.

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 4>I completely agree.

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 1>He's got like a sick two or three bedroom apartment,

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>townhouse kind of fucking five die or somewhere. Yeah, he's

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:53.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna say definitely, like that's a seven eight thousand dollars apartment.

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:57.960
<v Speaker 1>He's obviously not paying ten thousand dollars apartment. And it's like, Okay,

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 1>this is great. Obviously this is awesome. But you're gonna

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>have to cut up bodies, yeah, to keep to maintain this.

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>And it's played out through him.

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:08.439
<v Speaker 4>It's wonderful. I read.

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 7>I actually read in the hospital in the beginning, when

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 7>he's talking to Bibi about Vanessa's status. I kind of

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 7>read that as him giving her one last chance, like

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:17.720
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna feed.

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 3>You this, don't like, please please.

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:24.399
<v Speaker 7>Don't leak this, and he he knows she probably will,

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:25.640
<v Speaker 7>but he I couldn't tell.

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:29.319
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell whether in that moment it was that

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 2>and this is why Mike's so great as an actor.

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 4>But like or if in that moment he was like, actually.

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:38.759
<v Speaker 2>Fuck, people do need to know what's going on, and

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 2>if I tell her then they're gonna know. Like, I

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 2>couldn't tell whether I think in his mind he can

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 2>play it as I'm giving her one last chance. But

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:49.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to feel like at this point he knows

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 2>what Beebe's doing, So anytime he tells us something, there's

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 2>like at least a ten percent part of him who

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 2>thinks it's important that the public. No, it's really great,

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know where it's fucking Galley.

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 7>There's another thing that it's it's great. Another thing this

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 7>episode did. They've been doing it the past like three

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:11.800
<v Speaker 7>or four. Really they do. They mirror storylines. So Matt's

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 7>got something going on here, Fisk has something over here,

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 7>and they're they're swapping back and forth, and like Fisk

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.359
<v Speaker 7>and Vanessa in bed and Matt and Karen. I thought

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 7>this episode it finally hit like they've done it pretty well,

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 7>but in this one they nailed it, I think, And

0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:27.919
<v Speaker 7>you know what, maybe they're using that technique a little

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:28.359
<v Speaker 7>too much.

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 4>It's like, you know what.

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 2>They love to do it because it's very Batman jokut,

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 2>very like they're.

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 4>The same, they're different. But I did really like it here.

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Because I think that something that's really interesting in this season,

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 2>and especially when it comes to Decks, is like the

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 2>different ideas of like love and forgiveness and like mercy,

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and this kind of idea of like the way that

0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Wilson will fight to the end to save Vanessa because

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 2>he sees that as his save you, she's the one

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 2>person who keeps him human, who keeps him and Matt

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>is going through that with Decks, being like, well, the

0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 2>one thing that makes me different than you is that

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna fucking save you, and no matter how hard it.

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 4>Gets, it's so good, like and it's funny. Yeah, you

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:12.280
<v Speaker 4>go great, Jason.

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 1>I love my favorite bit in this episode this two.

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:21.399
<v Speaker 1>The first is the tunnels, which just crazy incredible how

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>far they go. They go on fucking forever. It's like,

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:30.479
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's amazing how extensive they are. I don't

0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.320
<v Speaker 1>know how Matt knows how to navigate them. I gotta

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:37.320
<v Speaker 1>smell or something he can smell.

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, fucking stinks. So definitely.

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>That and the way Dex keeps like Matt is like

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>stop talking about Foggy, and Dex is like, I killed him.

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:54.800
<v Speaker 4>It was terrible.

0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I feel bad.

0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 4>About it, and he just gets the yeah, I know he

0:39:58.920 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 4>calt through.

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>He's got so much guilt about it and he wants

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>them to be okay, and it's like, bro, you are

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 2>serial killer. Like you sorry, it's probably not gonna happen

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 2>that you're going to become friends, but you know, I

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:12.480
<v Speaker 2>will say something that is very funny about watching this

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 2>show is, you know, we talked originally when we were

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 2>started covering it, We're like, wow, this feels kind of

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 2>crazy that they've got ice, and like it feels like.

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:21.359
<v Speaker 4>It's up to date.

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 2>And people in our discord were like, I don't know, man,

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.720
<v Speaker 2>things are so bad that this feels kind of soft.

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>And now it is getting really hilarious because obviously we

0:40:29.640 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 2>had scrapping in the kitchen and we saw Donald Trump

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 2>at the UFC match on the night that that Iran

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 2>wore kind of stuff fell apart, and then alleged negotiations

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:42.839
<v Speaker 2>that he said Jade banns Forth.

0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.440
<v Speaker 4>Now the thing is right with all the Catholicism, I'm like,

0:40:45.560 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 4>I was like.

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, w will well, well, will Willson Fisk, will he

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 2>start a fight with the Pope?

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.560
<v Speaker 4>Will he called the Pope? Week Like, we need to

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 4>see it.

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I can see it's getting too crazy, guys, probable we

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>on crime. I could imagine Wilson Fisk saying that ship, like,

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 2>come on.

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 7>Before we get to the deadpool. I do have one concern.

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:14.319
<v Speaker 7>We are five episodes in. We still have no Jessica Jones, and.

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.240
<v Speaker 4>That's kind of crazy. But it's making me a little worried.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 4>It is shocking to me.

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:25.800
<v Speaker 3>We have what three more episodes.

0:41:26.360 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 4>That's it, that's it. Okay, it's gotta happen next step.

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:34.239
<v Speaker 2>But happened next The people want it. I want it

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 2>because actually.

0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 4>It has to happen next episode. Yeah, I want it.

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 3>I want it.

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>You can't show up in episode seven, no, no, or

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>in the finale.

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 4>That would be like, yeah, they wouldn't have ever allowed

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:45.800
<v Speaker 4>that to leak.

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:47.239
<v Speaker 7>In the let's hope she shows up in all three

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 7>of them. I mean, because they praided her out as

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.280
<v Speaker 7>a big part of the marketing. She's in the earliest

0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 7>trailers and stuff.

0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:56.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you guys, my theory that I've had

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.960
<v Speaker 2>since the beginning that I'm hoping is true is the

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:01.279
<v Speaker 2>reason we haven't seen is because she is going to

0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 2>be in that like post Marvel Max post Her and Jessica,

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 2>where her and Luke probably have settled down and have

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 2>a kid. And I'm hoping that that's what we're going

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.479
<v Speaker 2>to see. It means we could get some squirrel girl action,

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 2>could get some babysitting action.

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:16.880
<v Speaker 4>Could see Kamala.

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I would love to see Kamala Kahn as the New

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 2>York's babysitter for superpowered babies. But yeah, I do think

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 2>they need to bring her out. Also, I'll tell you

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.239
<v Speaker 2>the discord. That is what they're hungry for. Every single week.

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 2>It's just Jessica, Jessica, Jessica. We want to see Kristin Ris,

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 2>So let's hope. Okay, So, speaking of that, do you

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 2>think we get to see anyone else? Do you think

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 2>they're going to do a night nurse? I think she's

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>quite likely at this point.

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I thought if we were going to get a night, well,

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it would be here in the tunnel. I thought, for sure,

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 1>if we were going to lurking the fucking sewer she comes.

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 3>But but it does.

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.720
<v Speaker 1>It did feel like if they were okay, wait, wait, wait, wait,

0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:59.760
<v Speaker 1>it would be now why a recast?

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 3>Do do you think that they could?

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.239
<v Speaker 4>I think they could get Risario Dawson still this.

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they could get her right now, like what

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 2>she been in, like, but that's a Disney show.

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 4>But this is such a minor I guess maybe maybe.

0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm like, but them, I wonder if it's easy

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 2>to just bring her back for like wing or a

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 2>nod like a I'll just say that.

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I think that would be cool. And I think that well,

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I think you have to have.

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 4>You know. I think if Jessica, you think we have

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:28.640
<v Speaker 4>to have Luke.

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think Luke's got to show.

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 4>See.

0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:33.360
<v Speaker 7>I think the longer point, the longer we wait for Jessica,

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 7>the less likely we are to get anyone. You know.

0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 7>I don't know, I I think I said in the

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 7>very first episode, when Dex saves Matt in Cherry's apartment

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 7>against the a a v TF. I thought that was

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:53.880
<v Speaker 7>gonna be Jessica, and I was amazing, We're going to

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 7>get her episode one, she comes in, she's she's here

0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 7>the whole time, and we get like almost a Defenders

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 7>type thing.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.120
<v Speaker 4>So I'm I'm worried that we will.

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.919
<v Speaker 2>Well, I will say, if you put your earmuffs over

0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:08.799
<v Speaker 2>your head, guys, if you don't like season three spoilers.

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:10.400
<v Speaker 4>But there has been some.

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:13.839
<v Speaker 2>Leaked photos that have confirmed that certain people are coming

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 2>back for the next season, So maybe that does mean

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 2>that they kind of they maybe pop the cork a

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.400
<v Speaker 2>little early on saying Jessica was going to be in it,

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 2>and she's more of like an end season thing that

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 2>leads into the next season.

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I hope.

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 2>I hope that she has a bigger role because her

0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 2>and Matt have always been so funny together. Obviously, I

0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.919
<v Speaker 2>would love to see, you know, a little sheeholc action.

0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's gonna happen. It's not that kind

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 2>of show. Where do we think going off this, like, well,

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 2>I guess let's do the Deadpool because I was gonna

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 2>be like, where do we leave the big guys, Like,

0:44:45.600 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 2>where do we leave like a Wilson after this, you know,

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:49.760
<v Speaker 2>because I don't think they get rid of him.

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 4>But it's still look bad.

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.320
<v Speaker 7>At the end of last episode, Jason, you had Governor McCaffrey,

0:44:55.400 --> 0:45:02.040
<v Speaker 7>Beebe and Dan Rosie. You had beb Yah yah v and.

0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:02.799
<v Speaker 4>And yeah because Vanessa is dead, so.

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 7>Right, and I had Governor McCaffrey, BB and Karen. So

0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:09.920
<v Speaker 7>all of us did BB. Two of us did Governor McCaffrey.

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:12.719
<v Speaker 4>And that was it. That was the only similarity.

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I I so obviously Vanessa rip I'm gonna throw.

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how old is Donofrio sixty seven years old?

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 2>I know, I do think that's a badroom where he

0:45:25.320 --> 0:45:29.839
<v Speaker 2>liked does become the He's ok Donafrio.

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 4>Is sixty six? Do we think can he run it out?

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 1>This is a physical ass role and you can feel

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>it in those fight scenes.

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 4>Oh, like there's a lot of coups.

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 1>It's they're cutting, you know, every punch is like three

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 1>different cuts and they're cutting it all together. And so

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 1>can he keep Can he keep doing this? I think

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 1>he's got it. I think he's got a little bit

0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>more left than him, Like it's a Lebron situation.

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 4>I think yes, two in him.

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>But at some point we've got to start looking at

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.319
<v Speaker 1>at off ramps for Wilson Fisk.

0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's going to.

0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Be now, but I do think get ready for Wilson

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Fisk in the Deadpool in coming years.

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm gonna leave.

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say b b or Dan the Governor for

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:28.399
<v Speaker 1>my Deadpool, and then I'm gonna say I'm gonna say

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Cherry the guys had two heart attacks. Oh my god,

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 1>how is he still alive? He could already be dead

0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and we wouldn't.

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 7>Even before you go in Jason talking about Kingpin and

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 7>an off ramp. Do you think he'd be effective as

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.759
<v Speaker 7>a villain if he's not physical. He's there as a

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 7>looming force and he sort of manipulates things behind the scenes.

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.720
<v Speaker 7>He never gets into a physical altercation with Matt or anything.

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:53.280
<v Speaker 7>Would that still be effective?

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 4>No, because he's.

0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:02.200
<v Speaker 1>One time a season he's gotta like throw a guy

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.720
<v Speaker 1>through a wall your fight like ten inches.

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, probably be Like he would leave and like you'd

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 2>only see him in those moments where he had the power,

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 2>like even if he was resting or was the Machiavellian

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 2>puppet master kind of like in Spider Use, you still

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 2>gotta have him be that looming figure at least once,

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:24.879
<v Speaker 2>especially in a show where he we've literally sent him

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 2>crush someone's head.

0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Now, I think if we're talking about the movies, you

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<v Speaker 1>can see g the ship out of this and it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be him. But I think for the

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<v Speaker 1>TV it's gotta be him. And again, watch that fight scene.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many cuts and there are moments where

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<v Speaker 1>he has to run a little bit, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, good, yeah, I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Run and I'm fat seven. Okay, guys, I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go okay I do. I'm gonna put in a

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<v Speaker 2>random one just because I know the way that Marvel.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm gonna say, I think, like Detect of Kim,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they might just kill her off because they.

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<v Speaker 3>Need to kill somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>She's barely up there, like they just have to accidentally

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<v Speaker 2>get hit by a bullet.

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<v Speaker 4>It's feeling likely. I'm also gonna go round. I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>outrageous because.

0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Karen's face, like when when she saw I'm putting decks.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Karen might.

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<v Speaker 2>Kill Decks because I they have been they have been

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 2>putting a good one they've been putting this feelers out of,

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Like is she gonna turn full frank? Like we know

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<v Speaker 2>that the Punisher special that we saw the teaser fab

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<v Speaker 2>was very different in tone than I was expecting, much

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<v Speaker 2>more like.

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<v Speaker 4>Death, death, killing death, killing death.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do wonder if that ultimate conflict between Matt

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<v Speaker 2>and Karen is gonna be what breaks him up if

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<v Speaker 2>she takes that step he can't take, So that's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be and then who's last?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna go for BB. I still think she's moving

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<v Speaker 4>too mad? Can I Can I pitch something?

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<v Speaker 7>Can I?

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<v Speaker 1>Just like quickly before before your Deadpool? Can I pitch

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<v Speaker 1>something for Karen? Yeah, Lady Lynn Michaels, lady Lady Punisher.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I would love it. I love a lady Punisher.

0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I made a trans punish a character called front see

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<v Speaker 2>Castle like years ago, just like a shitty sketch, like.

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<v Speaker 4>They need more Punishers.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone else gets a funny mantle, like they should keep

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 2>passing it on. I mean, you wouldn't love to see

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<v Speaker 2>this fucking Karen who we always know is a badass

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.960
<v Speaker 2>but has rarely gotten to do much and then now

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<v Speaker 2>she's fucking rocking that little Punisher thing like I would

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<v Speaker 2>love that Lady Punisher, miss Punisher, whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>The fuck they want to call it, like, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 4>That'd be sick.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Aaron's go.

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<v Speaker 7>Youre Deadpool, I think BB But I think it's because Dan.

0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.359
<v Speaker 7>I think Dan's weak, and I think Dan has just

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<v Speaker 7>had the shit scared out of him by the Albany trip,

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:54.600
<v Speaker 7>and I think he's he's gonna not be.

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<v Speaker 4>Able to protect her anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>Whether or not he's doing it intentionally, I think he's

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:02.080
<v Speaker 7>he's she's gone for because as a hymn bulls Eye,

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 7>because Bullseye was like wanting to die, bulls Eye was

0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:10.279
<v Speaker 7>okay in his mind. He was like, if Vanessa dies,

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.240
<v Speaker 7>it'll all been worth it. That's my one good deed.

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<v Speaker 7>It doesn't matter how many other people I killed. As

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<v Speaker 7>long as I kill Vanessa, that's enough. So I think

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<v Speaker 7>he's true. He's got his off ramp already. And I'll

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.960
<v Speaker 7>put McCaffrey too, because I think she's she's screwed.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean they're already.

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, unless she has like a secret superhero bodygud

0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 2>like she's getting got.

0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:32.359
<v Speaker 4>Like, let's be real.

0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 7>You know she tried to play rival to Fisk and

0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.799
<v Speaker 7>it didn't work that well. And now I think she's

0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 7>just done for And I think he's gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>You threaten the Pirate Chata unless you have another secret

0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 2>chata like countrydicts.

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<v Speaker 4>The Pirate Chota. Come on, babe, come on, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I've come around to believing now Fisk and Buck,

0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's baby, but they want to test Dan's loyalty. Yeah,

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I think they fucking know. Come on, how dumb?

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, how dumb can we be at this point?

0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 4>Like it's her, She's got.

0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I ope him, we know and I and I really

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:23.719
<v Speaker 1>think this is primarily about will Dan.

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 3>Can we get Dan to do it? Because I think

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<v Speaker 3>killer right now?

0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:31.080
<v Speaker 2>But ye, like, you know, they can fucking hire Decks

0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>again and killer, Like that's so many people who are

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<v Speaker 2>willing to kill a.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think they like Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>They want Dan to be really part of the machine

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that like nobody else but Buck is,

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I think they see him as like

0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a future Wesley because Buck doesn't that skill set. Buck

0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:51.840
<v Speaker 1>is just like a pipe hitter, but you know, like

0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 1>he's not like a smart strategy guy. I can tell

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:56.759
<v Speaker 1>you about bitcoin. Dan can do all that stuff, and

0:51:56.760 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 1>obviously Shila doesn't have the guts to be that person,

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:03.960
<v Speaker 1>and so I think this is about this is probably

0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Wilson Fisk pulling the strings, being like, let's see, let's

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:08.479
<v Speaker 1>test his loyal Wise, I.

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Also think so too, because I think that to be

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:16.120
<v Speaker 2>in Wilson Fisks suckle, Yeah, you have to be loyal,

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>but they want you to have pressure points that they

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:21.440
<v Speaker 2>can play on. They want you to have weaknesses, they

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:23.920
<v Speaker 2>want you to keep secrets. So I actually think this

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 2>is appealing to them because it gives them leverage over Dan.

0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 2>So I totally agree Jason. I think we're gonna see

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.040
<v Speaker 2>that the thing I can't work out. And again, this

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:36.960
<v Speaker 2>is really just fucking massive kudos to the actors. I

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>feel like they're building such an interesting relationship between Buck

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and Dan, where every time it feels like it's something threatening,

0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 2>it's actually revealed to be Buck trying to bring him

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 2>in closer and he's actually making the choice to back Dan.

0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if that is going to come into

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 2>play where Buck's loyalties are even like and it's harder

0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.040
<v Speaker 2>for him to deal with the Dan situation because he

0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.600
<v Speaker 2>actually is the first one who said he's the heir apparent.

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.200
<v Speaker 2>He's the one that we care about. It's like Buck

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>has this connection to him, and I'm starting to feel

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:10.719
<v Speaker 2>even that like maybe Wilson did send Buck out to

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 2>kill him, and Buck said, actually, let's see if he

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:17.000
<v Speaker 2>chops up this body, let's see if he's loyal.

0:53:17.560 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm feeling, I feel.

0:53:19.120 --> 0:53:21.759
<v Speaker 2>Like that relationship there is so interesting and we haven't

0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:23.479
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of time with it, but they're both

0:53:23.560 --> 0:53:24.080
<v Speaker 2>doing a.

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<v Speaker 4>Great job to add a little more to what Yeah,

0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 4>everybody's doing it.

0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's like there's just like really talented actress on this sea.

0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:35.399
<v Speaker 1>They're doing a lot with really kind of not that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because a lot I was gonna say, like with

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 2>the Chroppic, I think that this show is still dealing

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.040
<v Speaker 2>with how much how chopped up the first season was.

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.799
<v Speaker 4>And then in an episode like this, you're basically want to.

0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:49.359
<v Speaker 2>Interlocked multiple interlocking flashbacks, but there are also like is

0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:51.960
<v Speaker 2>finally also getting into the groove of being able to

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 2>successfully do the dueling plot lines and everything. So it's

0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:58.440
<v Speaker 2>this really interesting space where there is a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>get through.

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<v Speaker 4>So a lot of the big moments you're like, yeah,

0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:01.799
<v Speaker 4>that was great.

0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 2>It's a big moment, But the actors are like, I

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 2>remember what the MCU could be. Like I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>stay in this fucking show, Like I want to be

0:54:10.080 --> 0:54:12.759
<v Speaker 2>this character, Like I want to make a relationship that

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:15.640
<v Speaker 2>the fans care so much about that you can't kill.

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<v Speaker 4>Me, Rosie. I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 7>And you said when you said the show is doing

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<v Speaker 7>a lot with the chopping, I thought you were talking

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<v Speaker 7>about them chopping up the dead body.

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<v Speaker 4>Still, that's an interesting way to go with it.

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<v Speaker 3>But we love.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to continue covering Daredevil Born Against season two

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<v Speaker 1>here on Extra Vision and of course mal Shadow Lord.

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<v Speaker 7>That's it for this episode, and the end of our

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<v Speaker 7>Greatest TV Episodes will.

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<v Speaker 4>Be the shocking end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes from Beef will be revealed and more drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, you will find out my enemy are true?

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<v Speaker 1>Enemies are revealed in the final episode of the Greatest

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<v Speaker 1>TV Episodes two thousand and that's it.

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