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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Sophia and welcome back to this very

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Speaker 1: special two part work in progress. Today's guest is Jason Isaacs,

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Speaker 1: remarkable actor, philanthropists and someone who makes me laugh every

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Speaker 1: day at work. And we had so much to talk

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Speaker 1: about that. Today you are listening to part two of

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Speaker 1: our chat. We're going to find out more about his life,

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Speaker 1: his career, and his incredible work right here, right now.

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Speaker 1: I am curious about the journey from drama school because

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Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned that in college, and it's always

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Speaker 1: so easy to look back right and have perspective. But

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Speaker 1: you talk about how it is so common people drink

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Speaker 1: to excess in school in Britain. I think probably more than,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, in the US too. It's insane. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it's like in Britain, but I know

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Speaker 1: that it all. I already had it. I already had

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Speaker 1: it from my teens. What do you mean. I discovered

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Speaker 1: drink first and then drugs, and I would do it

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Speaker 1: a lot with my friends. I would do I would

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Speaker 1: get high, would do pills with a bunch of stuff,

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Speaker 1: and then they will go home and I carry on

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Speaker 1: doing it. I just I liked it more than other

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Speaker 1: people I wanted it not to stop. So by the

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Speaker 1: time I got to college, it was already a thing.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really to do with the atmosphere or culture.

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Speaker 1: It was me. I brought it. I don't have anything

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Speaker 1: against drugs, drink, gambling, text, whatever it is that people

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Speaker 1: due to excess. I already was thrilled to go somewhere

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Speaker 1: do the things I wanted to do all day, every

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Speaker 1: single day, and all night. And uh and it didn't

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Speaker 1: hold me back. Is at that age I was a

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Speaker 1: volcano of energy and creativity and um, and I was

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Speaker 1: really smart. I don't say that in a in a

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Speaker 1: kind of boasting way, but is I've melted most of

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Speaker 1: those brain cells. I'm not anymore. And I just I

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Speaker 1: had so much potential that it didn't really hamstring me.

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Speaker 1: I could still get so much done. It ground me

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Speaker 1: down over the years. But what you know, it was

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Speaker 1: apparent to me even then and to my friends who

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Speaker 1: that when they stopped at night, I would carry on.

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Speaker 1: So you knew even then that something was different for

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Speaker 1: your brain chemistry. Yeah, I didn't know. Possibly one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons I acted so much and then decided to

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Speaker 1: a drama's call and become an actor is because, unconsciously,

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Speaker 1: it's a profession in which no one cares. You can

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Speaker 1: take as many drugs as you like or drink as

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Speaker 1: much as you want, if you turn up and do

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Speaker 1: your job, and if the jobs go well and you

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Speaker 1: get nice reviews or a good box office, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I've been around the most extraordinary excess on on sets

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Speaker 1: and on stage as well, so no one cared. I

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Speaker 1: worked forever out of my mind and yeah, and got

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Speaker 1: fabulous reviews and got great jobs, and no one minds. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Now you can't do that as a lawyer. Well no,

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Speaker 1: But but to be honest, you can't really do that

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Speaker 1: as an actor either. How do you, as the person

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Speaker 1: in the fog of addiction say, now something's wrong? Well,

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Speaker 1: it was gone too far. First all, I have a

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Speaker 1: from drama school. It was quite clear that I didn't,

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Speaker 1: to sing your behavior, you know there's something wrong. Um,

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Speaker 1: But when I you know, when those things that I

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Speaker 1: spent lots of time with, people I've worked with. I

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Speaker 1: could be in the moment. But when I will be

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Speaker 1: incredibly social and fabulous, but Emma would know what I

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Speaker 1: really wanted, what I really craved, would manipulate things towards.

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Speaker 1: Would be getting home and being on a lying down

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Speaker 1: That's the state I really aspired to, or be it

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Speaker 1: that I did many other things many times, what I

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Speaker 1: know all of There is no normal thought. There is

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Speaker 1: analogies don't quite work. But I felt like I kept

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Speaker 1: my life. I can't believe the opportunities I missed to

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Speaker 1: other people like me who wanted to take a lot

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Speaker 1: I hesitate to even call it a habit, Your your

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Speaker 1: life was how how do you begin? Because I imagine

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Speaker 1: I don't know where to begin. How do you start? Well,

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Speaker 1: tell you where it didn't start. Didn't start with me

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Speaker 1: because I all the millions of times I tried to

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Speaker 1: get a handle on it, every Sunday night to every birthday,

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Speaker 1: or these landmarks New Year's evil. When it gets to that,

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Speaker 1: you know, important day and day that's when or I'm

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Speaker 1: going to cut back and just do things off to

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Speaker 1: we don't take up the whole podcast with it. But

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Speaker 1: I needed help. I needed to go outside myself, and

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Speaker 1: it was difficult because I'm smart and articulate. I'd even

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Speaker 1: lent money to friends to go to rehab. And remember thinking,

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Speaker 1: mivor problem, there's so many billions of times worse than yours.

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Speaker 1: How dare you go to rehab? You dial attant? So,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, the short person is the twelve step program.

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Speaker 1: That's you know. I needed to go somewhere else, to

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Speaker 1: Uh can I do this up breaking anonymity? I think

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Speaker 1: I can. I was on the Patriot and um, I

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Speaker 1: for decades I've been clearly this man who had a

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons it's anonymous, because it

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Speaker 1: there was this thing on the call sheet saying, come,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, without going you know, I could talk about

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Speaker 1: Individuals are idiots and get things wrong and are not

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Speaker 1: so I am no kind of spokesperson for anything. I

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Speaker 1: And I can't recommend it highly enough. I love that.

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Speaker 1: that It's actually part of the scary thing about getting

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Speaker 1: you know, I and die young enough to leave the

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Speaker 1: There were numbers of times I go upstairs, thing, I

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Speaker 1: certainly didn't want to kill myself. I just wanted it

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Speaker 1: much potential that time had long gone. You know. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, So I can't quite get this image out

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Speaker 1: of my head. You've painted me such a beautiful picture.

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Speaker 1: into focus, well, first science. But you asked me to

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Speaker 1: It doesn't necessary so they can say something about this person,

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00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: not realizing that it actually applies to them, or to

429
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,959
Speaker 1: their feud with their sister or boss or whatever it is.

430
00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: Is it always a sort of analysis of the times

431
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 1: and and what you might want to experience or explore

432
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: in a particular time that leads you to making a

433
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: choice for a part. God, I wish I had a

434
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 1: sensible answer for you know. I know that Will Smith

435
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 1: there is that he would do one comedy sci fi

436
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: movie and one for the Oscars, and one company side

437
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: with one other. Like I have no pattern at all

438
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: for anything. And when I go, oh this is time

439
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,719
Speaker 1: for me to go back on stage, I end up

440
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 1: doing tellient series. When I go it's time to do

441
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 1: a teleigent series, end up doing a little film. And

442
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: it's just something I don't know, and it's very often inconvenient.

443
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm in a little film called Mass at the Moment,

444
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: which is really beautiful and had a phenomenal response, and

445
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: I read it when I have to do this. It

446
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: was incredibly inconvenient. I was on the other side of

447
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: the world in Australia doing a film. I hand see

448
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: my family. There was no money, I had to fly

449
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: myself in. It was probably not going to get finished,

450
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: no one was going to see it, and I went.

451
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: But it's brilliant. I want to bring those words to life.

452
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: I want to bring that human being to life. If

453
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: there's a misconception, I don't know. If you get it,

454
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: you do get it. I know I've seen it online

455
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 1: when people thank you for your work and thank you

456
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: so much for doing this. Thank you. It's completely selfish

457
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 1: for me acting, you know, in many many ways, I

458
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: want to be in someone else's heart and mind and

459
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: trying to persuade someone else or something get that. I

460
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: want to be in the story. I want to be

461
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: living that life. And if people see it and get

462
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 1: something from it, that's great and I but in the

463
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: moment of doing it, maybe it's in the moment of

464
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: doing it, I'm not thinking about an audience or what

465
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: they get from or not. I just want to be

466
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: seeing what it's like. I'm frustrated. I resent the fact

467
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: we have to have just the one life I resented.

468
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: If I love my wife I've been with the thirty

469
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: or four years, I imagine that we will be together forever.

470
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: But I also want to have a billion other lives

471
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: and partners and sexuality. So I want to experienced life

472
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: with twenty kids and no kids. I want to be

473
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, I want to be all the people that

474
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: I've played and many more. Anyway, there's no the point.

475
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: The answer is, there is no pattern. This didn't make

476
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: any sense going to Toronto possibly for nine months at

477
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: a time. That's not It's not a great thing for

478
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: me to do in my life. I don't need to

479
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: do that. Financially, I'm lucky how the work does come

480
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 1: in to do other things that, um I just fancied it.

481
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just fancied it. Mat Katie knew

482
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: who you were and thought that looks like one mm hmm.

483
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 1: I also didn't think about it being a series, by

484
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: the way, because we did a pilot, and I have

485
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: many friends who who haven't done TV serious like you

486
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: and I have done, and they get offered the pilot

487
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: and they go, I don't know, seven years in Vancouver,

488
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 1: and I go, it's not seven years. It's three weeks.

489
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't think about it. Most things don't go, most

490
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: things aren't picked up, most things don't run past the

491
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: first season. Don't just think do you want to go

492
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: and do this job? And I thought I fancy going

493
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: for three weeks, little that I know that would still

494
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: be making the pilot two years later. I know it's

495
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: pretty incredible. I love that though, the wanting to be something.

496
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: I've read so many great scripts that I've really enjoyed.

497
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: But I know I either see the movie. It's like

498
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: when people describe out of body near death experiences and

499
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 1: they're up in the corner watching themselves in the room.

500
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: That's how I see a script or I don't. And

501
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: if I don't see it, sure like I'm watching my life.

502
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: There's no way I'm gonna be. Sometimes I read something

503
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: I think it's great, and I pictured another actor in it,

504
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: and I go, I shouldn't take this job. I think

505
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: that's at Norton or whoever the hell you know. I

506
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: think that's whatever. I just don't. I don't see me

507
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: doing it, and it's not. I don't have any criticism

508
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: of the piece at all. That's the other thing, and say,

509
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: why did I do it? So, Katie was great. I

510
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: thought the writing was great. I thought she You know,

511
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: the last television I did was a Star Trek. I think,

512
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: wasn't it all the other way? Which one did I

513
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: can't remember which one I did that first? Either way?

514
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: So different? Well, you finished The Way before we started

515
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: the pilot. In when we first met, I said, Hi, Jason,

516
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: it's so nice to meet you. I have to emotionally

517
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: leave the room for five minutes and then I'll be

518
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: right back. And in this moment, while emotionally I'm outside

519
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: the door, I'll be standing in front of you, fan

520
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: girling and talking to you about how. The Way is

521
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: one of the most important television that I've ever seen,

522
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: and I need to talk to you all about it,

523
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: and I need to know what it was like to

524
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: play How and we needed we need to discuss the writing.

525
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: And as soon as I can stop talking about this,

526
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: I promise I'll never bring it up again. I could

527
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: talk about that forever. So anyway, I just this was

528
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: such a different world. Katie writes broad entertainment to accident

529
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: that everybody should have access to. You know, she wants

530
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: to write something to reach lots of people. Salent britt right,

531
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: very specific, very you know, a very different kind of story.

532
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: I can't imagine there's a single viewer as an overlap

533
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: for good sound between the other and then both well

534
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: you and me and the people who follow us. But

535
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I just thought, God, that's not like anything I've done

536
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: forever and want to. She just seemed great sometimes she

537
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: just like people. I mean, her writing was great and

538
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: she seemed great. Yeah, there's the the story I shouldn't

539
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: tell her Mike about how great she is was the time.

540
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: I will tell it, but I'll try and be discreet

541
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: about it. There was the time I was badgering her

542
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: when we were filming because I there was an old

543
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: yunits word to Nidda. I was knittering her. It's like

544
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: poking someone and poking them and poking the losing. Can

545
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: we change this? Can we do this? And she was

546
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: always going, yeah, no this, yes, no, how about this,

547
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Let's try that instead? And I did, I did, I

548
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: did it. And then at some point, um I thought

549
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: she needed to sit down, and she was a bit

550
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: hot in the studio and she got flushed and she said, no, okay,

551
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: do that, and she gave me an answer of generous answer,

552
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: and then I realized she got flushed because I was

553
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: bulldozing her. It was me that brought that on. And

554
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: even in this moment when I've given someone a physical

555
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: reaction to me, she was so generous and loveling, loving, loveling,

556
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: whatever that word is. And I thought, yeah, I thought, God,

557
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: that's a special person and I should learn to shut

558
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: the funk up when I see those signs as well.

559
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: It was really it was a magical moment with me.

560
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure she experienced it very deffinitely, but for me,

561
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know that I haven't met anybody

562
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: like that. She's incredible. Listen, I think it's kind of amazing.

563
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: I think the best people in the world have days

564
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: where they don't see everything going on her. You can't

565
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: be everything all the time. And I think when you're

566
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: in healthy relationship with people, you have experiences where they

567
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: push you to grow, you push them to grow. Everybody learns,

568
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: gets better, gets kinder, gets braver, And that's what this

569
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: job feels like to me, and that kind of support

570
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: that exists among all of us. By the way, on

571
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: good days and intense days and long days, it's been

572
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: really good. I think for everyone because you know, if

573
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: if that's the worst interaction you've ever had on a

574
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: set where you're working a hundred hours a week, but

575
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: saying on this one, I'm saying on this one on

576
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: a set, being our set, it's revolutionary compared to some

577
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: of the shore we've all been through another set. You know,

578
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was just thinking that when I'm

579
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: looking at you acting this and knowing your history of

580
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: all the series, you'll be the long running series you've been,

581
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: and how different than things I've done this, And I'm

582
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: wondering if that is it a different instinct that drew

583
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: us towards it. All that we want from acting, is it?

584
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's you want to be in a long

585
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: running series you have been. You set this up at

586
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: the center of it, and I will be if it is,

587
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: and that'll be great, and if it isn't, there'll be

588
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: something else and I'll do other things because I always imagined,

589
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: you know, I like Chinese food because there's twelve dishes

590
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: on the table. I don't like the same thing over again.

591
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: I really like all the people working with another to

592
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: take it day by day. But we have such different

593
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: expectations in this. It's interesting, you know what it is?

594
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: I think, I'm my duality is both of those things.

595
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: I want to eat Chinese every night because I want

596
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: to eat twelve things, and I always want to order

597
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: food as a group so we can get as many

598
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: things on the menu as possible. But I could eat

599
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: the same food every night and get the whole menu.

600
00:29:54,200 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: I love new experience, but I love familiarity. And I

601
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: think because I'm a very communal animal my nature, I

602
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: love the idea of building a community. Like my greatest

603
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: fantasy is to live on a commune with all of

604
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: my best friends. I would love nothing more. And so

605
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: that's the other two. So i'm I think I might

606
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: be presenting a series about beliefs soon or what things

607
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: that are unbelievable. But the other one I wanted to

608
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: do that I haven't really pitched is people are setting

609
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: up alternative ways of living at the moment. I'm fascinated

610
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: and I'm fascinated by it because maybe this is all

611
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: falling apart. You know, the unicorns, the billionaires have got

612
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: their retreats in New Zealand, but their five stories below

613
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: the ground, like the bond villain lairs with generators and

614
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: weapons and food and stuff. But for the rest of us,

615
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: if society falls apart, I mean I'll be too old.

616
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: I'll be the first against the wall probably, But you

617
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: guys can come over. I have a garden, thanks very much.

618
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: But how will we live? Because I'm about you, I

619
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: thought when the pandemic started, I thought, I'm a bit

620
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: of a catastrophist anyway, and I thought, okay, it's over.

621
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: The way we've all been living is over that. You

622
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: know what's going to emerge after the kind of mad

623
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: max waste? Something better, or at least when every country

624
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: is just printing money to give to people to stay

625
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: at home. The old economies just can't possibly stand it.

626
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: What's going to happen is someone going to step up?

627
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: Are We're going to get another generation of revolutionaries to

628
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: rip things up and start again in a way that's

629
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: fairer and better. And I know I'll suffer because I've

630
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: done all right, and I've got some savings. I own

631
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: a house and stuff. But that'll be okay in the

632
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: long run, because the world could do with massive shaking

633
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: up and it didn't happen. And I was a little bit,

634
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, relieved for myself selfishly but disappointed. I feel

635
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: like giant change will have to come one thing. You

636
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: can be sure of his change. Yeah, I will. But

637
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: I think that's part of why I love to lean

638
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: into things that allow for constant discovery. You know, we

639
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: get a new script every week. Every day is different,

640
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: but we get to be together and I love that.

641
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: And it's why, you know, even in some environments that

642
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: were not what they should have been, I really leaned

643
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: into the togetherness with the people I loved and tried

644
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: to navigate around what was not good. And there was

645
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: a lot of just perspective on that in the four

646
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: years that I wasn't doing a regular series, that I

647
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: was doing independent film after independent film and going and

648
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: working on a Netflix show. Here in the Hulu show,

649
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: they're doing the smaller, streamer stuff, and I loved it,

650
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: but I did crave. I craved my daily dose. The

651
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: family created a family every time you go somewhere. I

652
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: think that might be so much for this is pop psycology.

653
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: It might be just complete bullshit. But I think much

654
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: as I, you know, love whatever that word is, the

655
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: members of my family, Uh, I wanted a family. You

656
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: know that you find a family every time you do

657
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: play or every time we do a TV series, how

658
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: lucky you got a new family. Most people only get

659
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: one and we get bunches. Well, that's the other thing,

660
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: you know. People come a visit a set if they're young,

661
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: they often I want to be in an environment like

662
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: that because the reason The Office was a successful TV

663
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: show in England and America's everyone knows what it's like

664
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: to be stuck at work, not enjoying yourself with people

665
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: you don't like. And that's just not what film sets

666
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: are like. TV sets are like, they're not the people

667
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: are actually enjoying themselves. Do you ever wonder if it's

668
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: us more? My wife said to me, Ama, to me,

669
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: I said, why don't you come to set more? You

670
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: never come to set when we were living in the States,

671
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: And she went, you don't see it. It's like the

672
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Colter Louis fourte Everyone laughs your jokes, they bring you tea.

673
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: You're having a great time that you pick up your

674
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: clothes and I go, no, I see it. I like it.

675
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: It's great. Do you wonder sometimes whether we're having a

676
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: much better time than the other people. I think I

677
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: have observed that to be true on some sets and

678
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I really dislike a hierarchy. The

679
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: thing that makes me angrier than anything is when someone

680
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: says the words above the line to me and for

681
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: the people listening at home, above the line essentially means

682
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: all the actors and producers and they quote unquote called

683
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: below the line and the crew. It makes me so

684
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: fucking angry. I even thinking about it now, I'm I

685
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: hear my voice getting lower because I'm mad. And for me,

686
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: truer than true that none of what I do, or

687
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: you do, or any of the people who go and

688
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: sell the show, we don't do what we do without

689
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: our crew. And it's why whenever a set is my set,

690
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: it's crew first. I'm at safety meetings, I'm making sure

691
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: people know they're heard. I'm making sure people know that

692
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: they don't need to figure out who to talk to

693
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: if they have a problem, they come talk to me

694
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: about it. It's why I like to bring in surprises

695
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: and Christmas glasses and you know, get people when we

696
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: can and when we don't get shushed for it, you know,

697
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 1: playing music in between things when we're walking into set,

698
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: like I want people to feel joy. It's why I

699
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: shoot the ship with the camera guys all day. I

700
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: I love the people we work with, and I love

701
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: going to work because I see how much fun they're

702
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: all having. Yeah, well that's my first of it. My

703
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: definition is I feel free to crack any crappy joke

704
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: I want, any time you like. But I want to

705
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: make sure that the prop sky feel well. You know,

706
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: if they can't, if they thinking they're going to stand

707
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: there and more segation show something's gone horribly wrong. Well, no,

708
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: that's the nightmare. What a nightmare that would be. But

709
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: I will say it is I think a pretty consistent

710
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: nightmare for people who come to visit us at work,

711
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: because when you're not a part of the circus and

712
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: you see how the circus is made, it ruins the magic.

713
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: It's like someone showing you how to do a magic trick.

714
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: No one. I hate to bring it to the folks

715
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: at home. Nobody has a good time when they come

716
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: to set. You have a good time for like the

717
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: first twenty five minutes, maybe the first hour, and then

718
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: without fail, every single person I've ever seen come to

719
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: visit a set goes wow. So you guys are just

720
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: going to keep doing this? Oh, people will come to

721
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: Harry Potter s they beg me, beg me, and I

722
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: go shure, no problem because they were amazingly generous the producers.

723
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: They lay on an extra production assystem to drive them

724
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: around the golf cards, they visit all the sets. They've

725
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: got to the menagerie, they've got to the visual effects workshop.

726
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: They come to way with shooting, they meet Dan Rupert,

727
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: Emma Tom Will. Everyone was saying they get to say

728
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: cut an action. I mean, it was a really open,

729
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: lovely set all the time. And then after a couple

730
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: of hours they go, so what happens now, and they go,

731
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: this happens. It's still doing this for the next two weeks.

732
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 1: What this scene at the table? Yeah? Right again, their

733
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: plan with them to come in to work with me,

734
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: I go, I'm going in a five am and go

735
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: all they come later, or to stay till I go

736
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: home at night. And then suddenly remember they had a

737
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: plumber's appointment or their kid. Every time it wears off

738
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: real quick and people just go, wow, So it's just

739
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: more of this, but we love it. That's true. But

740
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: here's so let's get slightly more general and spiritual, maybe pretentious,

741
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: that you love going to work. I love going to

742
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: work when I'm done the right thing, because for me,

743
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: I can wake up in the morning and feel very

744
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: sorry for myself or annoyed at things. And if I

745
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: don't take care, if it doesn't happen naturally, if I

746
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: don't care to resteer things and reset things, I can

747
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: feel like the world is conspiring against me, or the

748
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: jus look at these things that I have to do,

749
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: and what a pain in the asked. And if I

750
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: can recalibrate by just doing a couple of exercises or

751
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: even in meditation or whatever the hell it is, I

752
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: can go. I'm so lucky. I can feel grateful, and

753
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: I can I can be concerned with being of service

754
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: to other people instead of telling other people my woes

755
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: and hoping that they will feel sorry for me when actually,

756
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: in the great scheme of things that's seen you know, um,

757
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: but the difference between a really shitty day and a

758
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: really great day is always between my ears. It's very

759
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: rarely to do with anything that happens outside me. And

760
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: I've been aware of that now for quite a long time,

761
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: and so which is great because it doesn't mean I

762
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: always do it, always do it right, but I know

763
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: that it's in my power. And that's such a gift

764
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: to know that because I see and I'm around other

765
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: people who aren't aware that is their stuff that they

766
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: could if they have the right tools, deal with and

767
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: experience their life completely differently. It's such a it's a

768
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: it's a real joy to know that, at least if

769
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: I do it imperfectly. But I can do it sometimes

770
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: and resteer things. And that's one of the joys that

771
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: you asked me this is about three hours ago, or

772
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: what's it like being sober? That's what it's like that

773
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: I can I recognize what's my ship that I can

774
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: deal with, and if I do it right, I can

775
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: care more about other people. And that makes me feel

776
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: great that it feels like a pretty good mantra and

777
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: just take care of your ship and care more about

778
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, I mean that's that, you know. I

779
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: teach acting, sometimes irritating Lee. Yeah. Yeah. I teach acting,

780
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: and I teach directing to directors, like how to talk

781
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: to actors sometimes well, which is embarrassing because you'll see

782
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: how badly I do in a few weeks and I

783
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: direct an episode. But but that all of the things

784
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: I teach really can you summed up in about two minutes.

785
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: I stretched it out to a two hour workshop. But um,

786
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: it stems from the best acting I've ever seen happens

787
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: off camera. When you're off camera or when they turn

788
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: the camera around they've done all your coverage is or

789
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: someone else. All you're doing is being in the scene

790
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: and concentrating the other person. And the best director I

791
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: ever had would just stopped a scene in the middle

792
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: of you go stop, stop, You're showing me how upset

793
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: you are, And I go, well, I am, I'm really

794
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: upsetain you go no, no, no, you're showing me how

795
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: ps up you are. Change that guy, make him apologize,

796
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: make him love you, make him stop you. And any

797
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: time anyone stuck on acting or doing their bit where

798
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: they're angry, I always if I get to direct them

799
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: and get to talk to them about it, I go,

800
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: what do you want from the other person? Not as

801
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: a general wash, but specifically moment to moment, What do

802
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: you want them to feel? What you wanted to say,

803
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: or what what's the inner script you want to write

804
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: for them? Forget what you're doing. Oh, I'm really really

805
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, I feel sad because my cat. No, no,

806
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: you want that person to apologize they didn't lock the

807
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: front door. So in some ways, I feel like that,

808
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, what acting is about is what you want

809
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: from other people, And what life shall be about when

810
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: I do it right, is what I can give to

811
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: other people. Well, how much I can hear them or

812
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: see them. And if when it starts turning into look

813
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: at me, hear me, see me, feel for me, it's

814
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: going a bit wrong, says the man who's just talked

815
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: three hours on the microphone. But it's not consistent. But

816
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: I like that. I really like that. The willingness to

817
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: listen as an act of showing up is something that

818
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: I can't possibly overestimate the importance of, you know, if

819
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: nothing else. And when when I have those days and

820
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: I know we all do, and I have those days

821
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: where I look around and I go, it is today

822
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: going to be the day everybody figures out I have

823
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: no fucking idea what I'm doing. And I'm just really

824
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: in that that happened on the first day. That's long ago. Jason,

825
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: don't tell people. We all know that nobody knows what

826
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: they're doing. That's the great secret. Actors know that other

827
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: people don't know. And we're okay with I shadowed some

828
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: incredibly powerful men with enormous responsibility, and after two minutes

829
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: I've gone, oh, you're just an eight year old with

830
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: the mustache. You know, you know a bit more, but

831
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes when it's the head of delta force,

832
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: you have. But but mostly everybody's faking it all the time.

833
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: And that's okay. So we're as act as we know

834
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: that everyone's afraid. But I I think to get myself

835
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: out of, you know, the sort of panic that can

836
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: come with those waves of feelings, I'll just take a

837
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: deep breath and focus on listening, like with with my

838
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: inner ears, really focus on listening, and it changes everything

839
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: for me every time. It's true listening and listening not

840
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: being preparing what you're going to say, which was listening

841
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: can be for me so often that gets hard for me.

842
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: At times, not too I feel like I'm pairing what

843
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: I want to say, where I struggle, perhaps because I'm

844
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: not a writer. Is I know if I don't tell

845
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: you the thing that what you've said has made me

846
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: think of, if three more minutes go by, it'll be gone.

847
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: It's gone. Sure, it's just it's gone. Yeah, And I

848
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: think I think that's partially to blame because of what

849
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: we do for a living. Because when you when your

850
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: brain gets used to memorizing ten pages a day and

851
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: then forgetting them so you can memorize ten pages the

852
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: next day. I'm like, I don't know what you said

853
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: five minutes ago. Remind me say the first four words again,

854
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: and then I can repeat the whole sentence. But the

855
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: recall is definitely a little damage. I give myself the

856
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: excuse that I melted it away with decades of drug abuse.

857
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do. I've found myself, uh,

858
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: in more recent years fascinated by the power of words,

859
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: the different words we're using, you know, and as someone

860
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: in a long term a couple of we've had some

861
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: couple of counseling a long time along the way, and

862
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, the manner in which you engage with people,

863
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: the power of an LP, for instance, neural linguistic programming,

864
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: and the For a while I was fascinated with hypnosis

865
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: and wanted to write a script about it, so I

866
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: went a lots of hypnotists and what sorts of hypnosis documentaries.

867
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: It's extraordinary the difference interacting with people that your vocabulary

868
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: can make you know, and we see it now because

869
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: so much of our communication is is written, and people

870
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: take massive offense at what they perceived tone they see

871
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: in a text or email, and it might not be

872
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: that way face to face because you can hear tone.

873
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: But even when you're face to face, it's the wrong

874
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: word in an argument or a creative discussion, or you know,

875
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: falling out lands in all the wrong ways and sends

876
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: off all the wrong signals inside someone else's head. So

877
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know, listening and whether one's preparing

878
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: one's answers or not. Um. There are exercises we were

879
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: shown in couples counseling and other places of active listening

880
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 1: or of uh I think what was it called amargo

881
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: where you listen to someone and then you repeat back

882
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: exactly what it is they've said to you, and in

883
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: ariable you get it wrong because it's not exactly what

884
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: they said to you, it's your own paraphrase filter through

885
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: your own bias, conscious or unconscious, And it's a really

886
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: interesting exercise in trying to make sure that you really

887
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: do here someone and instead of persuading them why they're wrong,

888
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: let them know that you've heard them, and that in

889
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: itself elicits change. It doesn't entrench things. It's a kind

890
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: of amazing and I don't do it. Remember is this

891
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 1: a tangent? I don't remember being away the holiday once

892
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: with Emma and somebody had left that book in my

893
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: in the hotel bedroom. Men from Mars, Women from Venus,

894
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, much like a lot of the diet books.

895
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: I think you know, it's got five pages of ideas,

896
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: and then someone published it when we need two hundred,

897
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: so they flush it out. But essentially it was saying

898
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: women just need to be heard, stopped trying to tell

899
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: them how to fix their problem. And men it's I

900
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: think they called it the d I Y Committee. If

901
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: you come to a man, it's because you're applying to

902
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: the d I Y Committee and they need to come

903
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: up with a solution for you. So if you want

904
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: peace in your relationship. I mean it's a ludicrous generalizations,

905
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: of course, gender lines. But nonetheless I tried it for

906
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: a couple of days, just a little social experiment. Emma

907
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: would tell me something that was bothering her and I go,

908
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: oh gosh, that must be awful, A really darling how

909
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: does that feel? And it worked in the most remarkable

910
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: way to create harmony between us, and after the second day,

911
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: I went, fuck this, it's time. I'm from Mars. I

912
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be that person, and I reverted, well,

913
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: what's interesting, I'll share with you and for anyone in home,

914
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: feel free to take it. You know, you talked about

915
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: the whenever it is you guys have been to couples

916
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: counseling and we have a coach that we both worked

917
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 1: with because you know, we're both like nerdy lunatics, love

918
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: data and who are obsessed with how to make things

919
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: function better. So we were like, yeah, obviously coaching, let's

920
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: do that. That'll be fun. And depending on at home,

921
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 1: who's heard of a relationship coach me neither, Oh my god.

922
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's just it's you know, and I'm

923
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: a big proponent of their be I think it's life saving,

924
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: but this, I just I'm like, why does anyone do

925
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: anything with this? And our coach gave us it's it's

926
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: like a protocol she gives to everybody, but she gave

927
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: us um purge or problem solve and it's kind of

928
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: like the white flag you can throw up right away.

929
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: But it's it's not, you know, as archaic as that

930
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: book was some sort of gendered thing. Everyone wants to

931
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: be heard and sometimes we want to be helped. More

932
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: often than not we want to be heard. But especially

933
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: when you have two people like Grant and I who

934
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: are very driven and who love to solve problems, you

935
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 1: can immediately go into problem solve. And so she said,

936
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: you just have to say, you know, like if it

937
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: were you and I were Emma and I launched into something,

938
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: you could just say, hold on is the superge or

939
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: problem solve? And then you know, if it's a purge

940
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: to say I'm so sorry, that must be awful for you.

941
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: And if it's a problem solve, you get to be

942
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: a Martian and say I know how to fix it.

943
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's so much fun, and I've

944
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: given I've given the tip to so many people. I've

945
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: got friends using it with their parents, ends using it

946
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: with their spouses. I'm like, I'm telling you, it's three

947
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: words that'll change your life. Amazing how simple little exercises

948
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: that seem ludicrous and are very easy to make fun

949
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: of can change the way people work, both in the

950
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: in the homes, also business relationships, just simple. Let's make

951
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: sure this is our vocabulary, this is our key word,

952
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: and we're all resistant to that stuff. Certainly when you

953
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: get to my age, you're like, I'm sorry, in these

954
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: new fangled ideas are ludicrous, kind of hippie nonsense, but

955
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: you're trying them out, and they invariably work. Like gratitude lists.

956
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: They work. They shouldn't work. It's ludicrous. I'm curious because

957
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: now now we're entering into the zone where I feel

958
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: like I want to ask you my favorite question to

959
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: ask everyone. We're talking about ways to make progress as artists,

960
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: as significant others, as friends, as humans. So when you

961
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: think about all the things you've learned from the people

962
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: you've played, the lives you've inhabited, the families you've had

963
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: on screen, the family you have in life, the growth

964
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: of your experience, your growth inside of sobriety, where you

965
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: are in this moment in your life, looking at all

966
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: of that stuff you've gleaned and learned from, what would

967
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: you say right now feels like your current work in progress? Oh?

968
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: Look at you polling themes together with the title of

969
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: your podcast, UM, what is my work in progress? What

970
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: am I still working on? Um? Well, I'm entering a

971
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: different phase of life like both in as a parent.

972
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: You know, it was the center of my life. My children,

973
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, they needed me us Emma and I and

974
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: and also they provided the greatest gift, joy, pleasure, entertainment,

975
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: whatever it is. They no longer need us in the

976
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: same way. And you know I have aut university. She

977
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: doesn't need us, really, she she wants it. And the

978
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: other one will be gone soon. Um I'm no longer

979
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: playing the action hero leads and things. I'm always playing

980
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: the father, for instance. So that's an interesting thing to

981
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: to not be at the center of stories. Um as

982
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: I moved towards producing and directing and writing all the others,

983
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: developing and all the other stuff. So my work of

984
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: progress is too is to become okay, to become more

985
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: okay with how light my footprints in the world. You know,

986
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: I carried, I think, guilt for not doing more. My

987
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: mother was mother was a very different one. She's dead now,

988
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: but she was a remarkable woman in many ways, who

989
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: should have run a country, but instead round a family

990
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: and started lots of charities and did lots and lots

991
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: and lots of things for charity and got herself arrested

992
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: lots of times and protested, and she never forgot, maybe

993
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: even to the extent of neglecting a family, that the

994
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: point of life was service and to try and be

995
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: obvious to heal her own discards that she never looked at.

996
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: So it's a complicated picture. She wasn't mother Teresa. But

997
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: but nonetheless I learned, you know, at her foot, from

998
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: a very early age, that the most useful thing you

999
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: can do in life is be obvious to other people

1000
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: and care and listen to other people. And I've done

1001
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: some of it, you know. And I do not every

1002
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: single charity thing I'm asked to do, because you know,

1003
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: I both know you asked to do millions. But I've

1004
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: picked some charities and I do some things for them. Um.

1005
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: But I've spent quite a lot of my life reading

1006
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: newspapers and engaging with the world thing and never forgetting that,

1007
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: for instance, today Afghanistan is a failed state, you know,

1008
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: and that literally tens of millions of people are on

1009
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: the point of starving, you know, maybe ten millions starving

1010
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: to death if we don't help them soon. That Yemen

1011
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: is a failed state, that there are again tens of

1012
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: millions of people displaced people in the world, and that

1013
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: and thinking that either and the climate change, all the

1014
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: other things that can fill one's head with gloom and doom. UM,

1015
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: And I've spent quite a lot of my life thinking

1016
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: I must not be present and enjoy what's going on now.

1017
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a dereliction of my duty

1018
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: as a human being to um if I'm not working

1019
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: often more for other people, giving more of my money

1020
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: i've earned away and doing more to help, and that

1021
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: there's something obscene about living in the West and living

1022
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: this life where I just give a little bit of

1023
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: money away into a little bit of charity because I'm

1024
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: a celebrity, and not do more. And so you asked,

1025
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: what's my work in progress is to it's both to

1026
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: acclimatize myself to this next phase with my wife that

1027
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: we're no longer parents who are hovering over children, and

1028
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: my working life is changing, and to both do more

1029
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: and be comfortable with how little it is that I

1030
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: do um in the world because I can't change at all,

1031
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: and I can do more, and I think if I

1032
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: do more, are worry less because I think it's an indulgence.

1033
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: It's a it's an indulgence of a would be you know,

1034
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: do good or liberal to to not do enough, but

1035
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: to carry it heavily on my conscience as if that

1036
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: is activism. It's not activism, it's it's piousness. That's actually

1037
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: virtue in a virtue signaling that phrase that I hate.

1038
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: So one of the things I if by working progis

1039
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: me what do I want to work on in my life?

1040
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: The art? Yeah, I love telling stories. I think they're important.

1041
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: I think you can tell stories and touch people and

1042
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: help them feel less alone, help them make different choices.

1043
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: But in terms of the bigger picture of my life,

1044
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: I want to do more for other people and worry

1045
00:52:51,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: about how little I do less get ou