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Welcome to the Bloomberg 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:15.920 This Weekend Podcast with David Gura, Christina Raffini, and Lisa Matteo. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.560 Thanks for joining us for today's selection of conversations from 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:20.959 the show. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.479 You can listen to our favorite discussions right here on 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.800 the podcast, but also make sure to join us live 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.960 every Saturday and Sunday morning starting at seven am Easter. 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.760 We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business app, 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:37.600 bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.120 lifestyle and culture. 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.000 This morning, Tehran has a new list of demands for 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.440 the US to meet, before Aroan says it would open 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.000 the strait of her moves. Even as Iran and Oman 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.360 signal they're closer to a deal now, Ron says America 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.800 needs to quote correct its behavior, as Vice President Jady 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.000 Vance says there's progress, but it isn't over. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:00.280 I'm trying to remind people that we're really in the 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.040 middle of the game here. This thing is not over. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.600 It's obviously not at the beginning. We're in the middle 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.440 of the game, and we're applying a whole host of tools, diplomatic, economic, 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.600 military tools, to ensure that we get the best outcome 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.200 for the American people. I feel quite confident we will 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.160 get there, but we're still a bit in the middle 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:17.800 of the game. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:18.920 Vice President of Fox News. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.880 We are joined now by Bloomberg News White House correspondent 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.520 Skylard Woodhouse and by Bloomberg News Middle East correspond Abirabu 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:24.280 omar Ber. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:25.160 Let me start with you. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.800 And pick up on the metaphor they're used by the 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.880 Vice President that we're in the middle of this game. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.720 Get us up to speed on what's happened here. Recently, 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.640 we have an attack in Saudi Arabia on Saudi Ramco's 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.280 jazz An oil refinery. Abu Dhabi's National Oil Companies and 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.760 missiles targeted one of its vessels while transiting Hormuz on Saturday. 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.560 It has been another busy weekend, providing the backdrop to 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.480 this conversation about a potential conversation here between the US 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:48.840 and Iran. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:51.360 Yeah, good morning, guys. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:52.320 A busy week. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.680 As a matter of fact, we've been reporting on this 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.160 deal between Oman and Iron that was taking place, or 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.360 the discussions about this deal to essentially re opened the 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.680 strait of her moves. But a few caveats to bear 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.080 in mind here from the Iranian side, they say that 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.760 this reopening is temporary. They also added their own caveats, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.760 saying that in this temporary agreement, they're not going to 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.280 allow US and Israeli flag chips to pass through the 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.880 Strait of Hermos and they will start charging tolls to 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.280 countries that they deem hostile, and so a lot of 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.200 traders had viewed that term hostile as referring to countries 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.360 from the GCC. And then over the weekend, as you mentioned, David, 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.880 we saw an ADNOC flagged carrier that is the national 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.040 oil company in Abu Dhabi being hit. ADNOCK reported that 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:39.040 one fatality had happened and over a dozen injuries there. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.919 And then we also saw that the Hawthies in Sadi 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.160 Arabia earlier had claimed that they attacked an Aramco facility 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.880 in Jizan. Aromko did not respond to Bloomberg requests for comment, 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.880 but they did confirm that there was a fire at 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.240 an Oromko facility. So you're seeing this escalation in the 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.400 region over and over really, and then no resolution site 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.080 and this deal that we've been talking about about the 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.800 reopening of the Street of Her Moves or the interim 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.960 reopening of the Street of Her Moves. That really is 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.359 all what it's about right now. We're not talking about 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.080 a return to the MoU. We're not talking about a 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:19.079 return to those major concessions that were reached in Switzerland. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.400 Some hardliners in Iran, to be sure, are saying that 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.440 the US needs to compensate Iran. And then we saw 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.720 a return to those concessions, including the blocked assets, the 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.280 frozen the oil sanctions as well being lifted. But that 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.440 is not the official line that we're getting from the 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.840 diplomats or the officials in Iran that we've been hearing 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.240 from since the beginning of this war. That includes the 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.800 Foreign Minister, that includes the spokesperson for the Foreign ministry. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.080 And so it looks like it calms down a little 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.920 bit and then escalates again. But one thing is for 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.200 sure here I was listening to Vice President jade Van speaking. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:58.840 Iran maintains that Washington is not a part of those discussions, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.000 despite what we've heard from President Trump and the Vice 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:05.840 President about them being part of those discussions. Iran maintains 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:10.160 that mediators, assumingly guitar at this point are the ones 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.400 that are delivering the messages. We also understand that Qatar 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.040 is doing its own draft to start mediating to have 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.600 those wider discussions, but for the time being, hermuse stas paralyzed. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:24.839 Pretty much, attacks continue to happen, and we don't have 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.520 a formalized draft between Ron and Roman about that deal. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.400 Skyler, I want to ask you about exactly that. It 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.320 seems like the US is saying they're monitoring talks, and 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.719 you're getting that messaging from the White House. But folks 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.080 I've talked to and the reporting says they don't seem 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.200 to be in the room. Is the US involved? It 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.440 seems at this point it's pretty much a bypartist a 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.599 bilateral discussion, excuse me, between Iran and Oman. And also 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.280 some of these lists of demands that you heard of 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.720 Beer going through a list of the US naval blockade, 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:56.120 withdraw the US military reparations, release of frozen Iranian assets. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.760 Those seem like non starters for the US. What does 0:04:58.760 --> 0:04:59.800 the White House do with all this? 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.600 Yeah, good morning, guys. I mean, look, these talks are 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:09.520 extremely fragile, and since this war started, that is exactly 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.120 what we've seen. There's just been a continuing of being 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.480 up and down. Obviously, the president wants to make it 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.440 appear that things are going well, that talks are going well, 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.600 or that things are potentially moving along, as there are 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.640 a lot of rough patches happening right now. You know, 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.919 what we've been, what we've seen in reporting and Bloomberg's 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.800 own reporting as well, is that, you know, the president 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.280 feels a bit boxed in right now and is really 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.800 sort of trying to navigate what his next step is. 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.560 And as he listens to his advisors, whether that's a 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.880 Secretary of State Mark or Rubio, Vice President Jadvance, or 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.800 Defense Secretary p Hegseeth, you know, it's really raising questions 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:56.760 as to what is the goal right now, especially as 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:02.080 it seems that these conversations are really not going you know, well, 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.160 especially as we you know, learn and as Aaron you know, 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.000 says that the US is sort of not really involved 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:10.960 right now, and it's raising questions on well, who is 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.640 the US really talking to right now in this war? 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:17.599 Yeah, yeah, I want. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:18.480 To play a bit more sound here. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.920 The Vice president in conversation with Kaylan mc and any, 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.320 the former Press secretory now on Fox News, talking about 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:24.440 the White House's expectations. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:25.159 Let's take a listen. 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.320 The Iranians, through different methods, have broadcasted that they look 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.520 to tighten their grip on the Strait of Horror Moves. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.000 So in a theoretical deal, what would an acceptable status. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:35.680 Quo be for the strait. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.000 Well, our expectations, you're going to see the same amount 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.000 of oil and gas come out of the Golf that 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.800 you saw before the conflict started. That is what the 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.760 Iranians have told us that they are going to do. 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.719 That's what the entire Golf coalition wants to do as well. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.880 But you know, we don't trust. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:53.280 We verify. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.239 We actually look not at people's words, but at people's deeds. 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.920 You see some people within the Iranian system, of course, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.080 talk about tolling. The Ranians have told us they have 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.359 no plans to toll the Straight of Horror moves. But again, 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.679 we're going to see what actions actually happen. 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.800 You're on that notion of looking at people's words and 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.320 trusting but verifying. You mentioned the Iridian foreign minister, and 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.800 Bloomberg has reported that he said that were there to 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:16.400 be some sort of agreement, we would not see kind 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.559 of an instantaneous return to the level of energy passing 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.920 through that strait that we saw before this war began. 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:22.840 Could you talk a bit more about that kind of 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.760 the White House's expectations for normality, which seem increasingly kind 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.680 of pie in the sky in light of what we've 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.320 been through here over the last five or six months. 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.400 Yeah, you're right, David, And I mean, you don't have 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.000 to go by the words of and I know this 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.480 will probably sound surprising, but you don't have to go 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.880 by the words of either part of the warring parties. Essentially, 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.240 traders don't even assume that this is going to be happening, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:49.240 or that this is even a realistic situation, purely due 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.080 to the physicality of getting those stuck oil parrels that 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.320 are in the strait of removes. So there's a reality 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:58.160 situation here to be confronted once this happens, and then 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.800 we're not even talking about a full reopen of the 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.520 strait of Her moves. From the Iranian side, the US 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.480 side seems more and more and more optimistic about once 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.800 a deal is finalized or once Adala is here, that 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:11.840 we're going to see the Strait of Her moves immediately 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.320 all of a sudden open and all these oil barrels 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.640 start making their way through the globe. You're talking about 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.400 countries in the region who've had their infrastructure damage. You're 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:24.520 talking about attacks on energy infrastructure that is still happening 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.960 up until the early hours of the morning. And so 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.800 there is the physical aspect of actually getting those oil 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.040 barrels across. I was talking to a lot of ship 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.320 owners and a lot of traders over the past week, 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.359 and they confirm that even if there was an immediate 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.760 reopening of Her Moves, let's say tomorrow, theoretically, of course, 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.800 it'll take weeks in a best case scenario, if not months, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.120 to actually start seeing a normal trickle of oil barrels 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:51.120 through the Strait of Her Moves. And that is not 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.080 a base case scenario. David Dright, because we expect that 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.400 this conflict will be back and forth for a while 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.800 to come, especially with Iran's waking up to this fact 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.000 at the start of this war, that it can assert 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.320 dominance over the Strait of Hermoves and it doesn't have 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.760 to hit hard, right, the mere threat of Irwan sending 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.520 a drone to a ship or a vessel that is 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.320 passing through the Strait of Removes is already causing enough 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.000 jitters in the market and causing ships to really stay 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.800 still until they're sure they can move across the waterway. 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.960 And so we're not even expecting the immediate reopening of 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:27.960 the Strait of Removes because this is, according to the 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.160 Iranian side, not what is going to happen. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.240 Skyler in that vein, it's been interesting to watch the 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.760 messaging from the White House from the beginning of the war, 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.400 which is we're going to win, We're going to do this, 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.120 when this to trying to almost redefine what a win 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.920 looks like. In that vein, the Treasury Secretary Scott Besson 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.480 talked to a local Arizona journalist and was saying, among 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.640 other things, well, the Strait of her moves is going 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.079 to become irrelevant in two years because we'll have other 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.640 ways to transport this energy. Overall, is that what you're 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.959 seeing from the White House is more of a recognition 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:01.960 is they can't move the needle as much as they 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.080 want to, so they're moving the messaging. And do you 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.920 think that's going to be successful, especially ahead of the midterms, 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.079 where things like gas prices are really going to matter, 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:10.520 and they're really going to matter to this president. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.520 Yeah, well, look, they want to paint a pretty picture 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.240 and they want it to seem like they're in control 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.800 of everything and that things are going well in their 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.960 favor as they launched this war, especially as the November 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:28.440 midterms creep up, and you know, American voters have not 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:31.120 really polls have shown that they are not highly supportive 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.959 of what the president decided to do in regards to 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.280 the war with Irad. So look, what we've seen throughout 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:40.480 the messaging from the Trump administration really since the president 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.000 came returned back to office, is that, you know, they 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.559 are seeking other ways. So you know, when trade deals 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.480 were being disrupted left and right, the messaging was that, 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.280 you know, we're we're starting new trade deals with other 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.280 countries or we're going to have trade deals coming in 0:10:56.320 --> 0:11:00.160 other ways to offset those long standing trade deals that 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.240 were disrupted. So we've seen that sort of messaging before 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:06.560 that they pivot is something out to really amplify and 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.320 to cover what is currently going on. And really only 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:14.880 time will tell to see how that really resonates with voters, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.240 especially as these midterms near. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.560 I mean, when we talk about opening the straight there 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.640 were some reports this week that Iran might be speaking 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.480 to or might be willing to speak to the EU 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.079 to come up with some sort of mind clearing capacity. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.640 If you remember we've talked about before, the US kind 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.400 of outsourced that capacity to NATO about ten years ago, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.120 So most of those mind sweepers are within the NATO realm, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.600 within the Europeans. Have you heard anything more? Does that 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.960 seem realistic? And what is the status of those minds? 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.280 Is that something that's really front of mind for all 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:47.400 these shippers and people you were just talking to. 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.880 One percent, I mean, that is one of their biggest concerns, right, 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.679 because there is the aspect of trying to move their 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.320 way through the strait of her moves without having the 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.400 risk of being hit. But then there's also the risk 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.839 of mining. And we've recently reported that Iran might be 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:06.520 softening it stands when it comes to involving EU nations. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.000 If you remember Christina, about a month or so ago, 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:12.560 there was this little back and forth between Iranian officials 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:16.120 and President Macom specifically in France, who said that France 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.200 would be one of the countries that is willing to 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.880 come in d mind and the response from the Iranian 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.000 side was vehement refusal. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:23.679 To this. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.559 But we've reported, citing our own sources recently about a 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.760 week or so ago, that Iran might be holding discussions 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:34.679 with EU nations to help the d mining processes in 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.240 the Strait of her Moods. And while that is a 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.240 positive signal, of course, the fact that Iran might be 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.640 softening it stands we're still talking about a deal between 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:47.320 itself and Romain without Washington involved, with Washington or the 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.800 United States still having its naval blockade in place, so 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.400 a third party that is important, and all of this 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.280 is not included in the discussions again according to the 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.120 Iranian side, So we have to get over the hurdle 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.360 of getting through these negotiations with Arman and what exactly 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.559 the mechanism will look like before we get into any 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:09.280 kind of discussion about removing those minds. Iran is keeping 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.720 a really hard line about its dominance over the Strait 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.920 of Removes and the mechanism sounds really complicated, but everything 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:21.479 around it just suggests that Iran wants to maintain its dominance, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.760 and it looks like for the people who have skin 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.080 in the game, for the ship owners who have to 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.240 make their way through the Strait of Remous, they are 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.040 seemingly tilting more to listening to the Iranian side. They've 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.920 been seeking permission from the Iranian side to be able 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:39.800 to make their way through the very crucial waterway, which, yes, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.640 according to the US US officials, is not going to 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.560 be crucial in the next couple of years. That argument, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.080 according to many people, is not the base case scenario. Again, 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.880 it might lose significance, but it will not be insignificant. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:55.439 We're always good to talk to you. Thank you very much. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.040 Bea Bloomar joining us from our Middleast coorsepot of choice. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.480 This moriy skalskyiwood House, our White House, courspoond of joints Bedminster, 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.439 where the President is over the course of this weekend. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:03.280 All right, thank you both. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.000 Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:22.120 Right after this, Tarzan Hailey Stevens of Michigan joins us now, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.000 fresh off that Democratic primary she ran for Senative course 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.080 finished second in that primary, with fewer than twenty thousand 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.000 votes separating her from the winner. Abdulah Sayad, thank you 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:31.800 very much for being here. Great to have you with us, 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.920 and the message very much is was certainly on the 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:35.720 heels of that campaign. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:37.200 Unity among the Democratic Party. 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.360 And I wonder, Serf, what your life looks like in 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.440 terms of politicking here in the week, said, will we 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.400 see you campaigning with the Democratic nominee here in the 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:44.920 days ahead? 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.080 Well, I can tell you I'm still in my House position, right. So, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.560 I'm a Democrat who flipped a long held Republican seat 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.840 in twenty eighteen. I held the seat in twenty twenty 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.880 with Trump on the bail, and it was a district 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:02.360 that had voted for him actually back in the sixteen election. 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.600 And I'm really focused on the House. You know, I've 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:11.040 talked to Democratic House leadership Hakeem Jeffries, Pete Aguilar, and 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.600 I am very eager to to just flip some of 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.720 these congressional seats like Christina Hines in Michigan's tenth district, 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:24.240 you know, Congresswoman Hillary Skolton out in Grand Rapids. You know, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.440 it's amazing that we've got her leadership out there, and 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.120 we've got another seat in Michigan's fourth district, you know, 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.680 Sean McCann. These are good, just middle of the road, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.840 common sense Dems really excited to be sleeves rolled up 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:43.400 alongside them, and the party knows you know, all the nominees, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.440 the whole ticket knows. You know, here in Michigan, I'm 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.520 going to do whatever they want as I finish out 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.720 the remainder of my congressional term. And I know that, 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.920 you know, Abdul right, we campaigned against one another for 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.960 a good year and a half. So I don't you know, 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:01.880 maybe he's sick of hearing my voice. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:02.240 I don't know. 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:03.200 I'm just kidding around. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.560 But but you know, he hasn't asked you to join him. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:08.360 He hasn't made that overture yet. 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.160 Look, I'm not trying to draw him up drama, I 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:16.440 don't you know. I'm Look, we did a big unity breakfast. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:18.680 There was you know, my friend Keith Williams was there. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.800 He's the chair of the Michigan Democratic Party Black Caucus. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.480 You know, I'm really proud to you know, I've had 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.000 his support in my race. But we all know, you know, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.000 we're team them, So you know they're going to be 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.080 figuring it out. They've got a you know, a quick runway, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.000 and I'm I'm not I think America, truthfully, if I 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.120 can just be candidly, I think people here in Michigan 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.960 and across this country, they are just so sick of 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:49.000 this negative, nasty, constant campaigning, but hurt if you don't win. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.960 I mean, I've had a great ride. I mean I honestly, 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:54.920 I was eighteen years old and knocked doors for the 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.960 Democratic Party. You know, I was motivated to run because 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.840 I saw Trump winning sixteen. I was working in an 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.080 R and D lab and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.960 there goes the scientific research budget, and so I put 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.439 up my hand for a long shot run for Congress. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.320 I won. You know, I want a six way primary, 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.480 seven thousand votes similar to this one. Who are those 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:19.199 you know, fifteen thousand, seven thousand people in these you know, 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.520 in these primaries. I don't know if I'll ever know, 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.520 but you know, I'm proud that my name and my 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.800 message was out there. I'm proud to be a Democrat. 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:30.760 And certainly some of the differences between my former Democratic 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.840 opponent and they're out there. They're on full display. Everyone 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.680 knows that what was said in the primary was said. 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.040 You know, I am a passionate, you know, industrial policy 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.600 geek Democrat. I'm a Zionist. You know, I'm certainly going 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.840 to continue to say that loudly and proudly particularly as 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.040 I'm leaving the halls of power. And I think that 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:58.600 many fellow Zionists and both parties, and maybe in that 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.040 independent column, you know, they've got to know that they're 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.800 protected and that their security is important as well. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.399 But do you think that will be an issue for 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.040 your former opponents you refer to him in the general? 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:11.680 I mean this is from the New York Times. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.280 Some Democrats who supported you are clearly reluctant to rally 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.800 behind Alsaiahed because many Jewish Democrats in particular, were dismayed 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.760 about the way he criticized the Israeli government and APAC 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.399 committees who super pac spent a lot of money to 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.560 support you. When it comes to the general, are you 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.200 confident that not just your former opponent, but several of 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:37.000 these either self identified democratic socialists or more left leaning 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.720 opponents can swing to the middle and get those middle 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.800 of the road independent voters, which are really the only 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:45.040 votes up for grabs in so many places that are 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:45.600 so close. 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.080 Well, I hope you don't mind. I'm drinking my cola. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.760 You know, it's the good stuff, right, But it's a 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.800 good question, you know, I think the nominee is going 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.119 to be able to you know, he knows what he 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.240 was doing, just as I knew what I was doing. 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:04.280 I mean, I can only speak to you know, my 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.520 campaign right because I was living and breathing it. I mean, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.280 I don't want to get in it all. I'm not 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:13.200 a big speculator of somebody else's internal thinking. I think 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.280 we get into a lot of that and it gets negative. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:21.360 But you know, I was. My beliefs were fully on display. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.680 I was not hiding from them. You know, I want 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:28.359 a to stage solution. I you know, want a Palestinian state. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.280 I want dignity for Lebanon and Syria. And I also, 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.199 you know, want to see a Jewish state that is 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:40.840 deeply persecuted continue to be supported. I'm really honestly proud 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.880 of my record in the Congress, you know, on these 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.919 Middle East issues. I'm co chair of the Congressional Task 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:53.200 Force on Hostages alongside French Hill, who's a Republican from Arkansas. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:58.520 We coordinated regularly with the hostages held in the families 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.600 of the hostages held in the Hamasa tunnels. That was 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:04.600 a brutal situation. You know, Look, all Americans want long 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.679 term peace. I don't think that's you know, hard to 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.080 come by, and you know, again, I don't know who 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.480 these handful of thousands of voters are, you know, in 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.000 this primary. The way I look at the primary, I 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:22.440 think abdul one he got more votes, and Democrats like Democrats, 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.760 you know. And then in terms of this general election, 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.960 you know, he's got all his you know, back the office. 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.200 You know, political wizards and people who are going to 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:34.919 give him advice, and he's going to have advice. And 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.120 you know, Gary Peters, Alyssa Slock and you know Alyssa 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.560 Slock and our senator soon to be senior senator. She's 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.399 going to be campaigning alongside of Duel. You know, she's 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.879 you know now going to be our senior senator. And 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.359 that's just you know, I'm on my way out, and 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.399 you know, of the office for that I love to hold. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.760 But I'm okay with that. And I'm going to help 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.320 the congressional tickets and do whatever anyone else wants me 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.119 to do. You know, I'm just happy to be on 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:07.360 the team. Honestly, I love this country. I love American democracy. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.960 I love fighting for people to make government work for them. 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:15.199 You know, it's unbelievable how many people need access to 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:19.399 social security, disability and Medicaid and these programs that you 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.760 know everyone wants to be fair and accessible, full funding 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:25.120 for special education. Right, sorry to go on. 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.480 But ok, we're gonna let yeah, I'm gonna have a 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.000 swig of my beverage of choice, and then we're gonna 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:30.840 bring it out of here's question. 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:31.760 Happy, let me says a question? 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:32.639 Right, all right? 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:34.280 Obvious on you so conmis women. 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.240 The race had barely been called, and you were out 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:40.120 of the gate endorsing doctor l saied and you're on 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:43.800 television having your morning coke. Uh uh, making the case 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.080 for him and the Democrats. But this is one of 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.919 the roughest Senate primaries I've ever seen among Democrats. It 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.639 was personally rough. It obviously Israel and God's is a 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:56.600 tough issue. I sometimes find supporters have a harder time 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.840 coming into the fold than the actual candidate who lost. 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.639 Are you confident the entire Democratic coalition can show up 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:05.160 after such a rough primary? 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:10.240 You know, I just am set in the tone for myself, 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:15.000 okay and the people around me. I mean, I will 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:19.919 say that there's a lot of energy for Democrats right now. 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:24.000 You know, we've got Jocelyn Benson as our gubernatorial candidate, 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.720 and she's doing a great job, and you know, folks 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.040 are excited about her. I mean there's some just you know, 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:37.360 general you know, enthusiasm from Detroit to Muskegan and on. 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.960 But I will tell you Abby, we call it pop 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:41.840 in Michigan. 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:48.800 Okay, I'm a good time and even if it's and look, I. 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:52.119 Don't want to be all Pollyanna. I mean, politics is 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.919 a blood sport. Okay. I knew what I was signing 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.920 up for when I put up my hand to run 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:00.040 for in this primary. I knew it was going to 0:22:59.960 --> 0:23:03.199 be a primary Congresswoman Hillary Scolton and I, you know, 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:04.960 spent a lot of time chewing on it. She was 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:08.440 a very close ally of mine in this race. She 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.399 was with me on election night, and you know, we 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:14.679 knew it was And then she said, Haley, the reason 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.320 you do these primaries this. I've had a few of them, Okay. 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.720 I had won with Andy Levin in twenty twenty two, 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.160 and that one was major. I mean, oh my gosh, 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:27.640 the sign on of Michigan democratic politics. Now that one 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:30.320 I won by twenty points. I mean, it's this is 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.119 just American democracy. But Hillary did say to me, she 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.439 said look, you know how to do these primaries. You 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.800 know how to bring people together when it's over. So 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:40.000 I'm just doing it in the in the Haley way. 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.040 I guess in my way not to talk about myself 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:42.840 in third person. 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:45.800 You know, I mean, I'm just David does it all 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:46.520 the time. It's fine. 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:48.400 I come in and you know it's it's David girl 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.000 wants this. David girl wants that. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:52.119 Thank you, guys. 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.240 Let me look the question, let me look ahead to 0:23:55.280 --> 0:23:58.200 the challenge that doctor Side's going to sign's going to 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.440 face here. And that's when Mike Rogers, the formerngressman, and 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:02.399 he talked about sort of how he sees this campaign 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:03.760 playing on. Let's play a little sound for you've been 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:05.480 I'll ask you about sort of the path forward here 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:06.720 vis A viva comeing on. 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.760 To the vast majority of people across Michigan who do 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.720 not want to throw their support behind a campaign filled 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.639 with anger, divisiveness, calls for violence, and the views that 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:20.439 are out of touch with your values, Well, you have 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.719 a home with us. The fight is far greater than 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.680 just left versus right. The fight is for the very 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:27.680 soul of our nation. 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:31.000 They're the congressman, former Congressmans sitting on a couch with 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:33.600 his wife making that case. How do you respond to 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.840 that the way that Republicans are painting this is an 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.520 example of there being an extremist candidate versus the more 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:41.960 traditional American candidate. I mean, there's a lot of invective 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.640 and insinuation here in the comments we've heard from yes, 0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:48.000 Congressman Rogers, but from the President as well. What is 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:50.560 your counsel for how Democrats and Michigan should respond to that? 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:56.200 You know, look, the parties exist, and Mike is in 0:24:56.240 --> 0:25:00.159 the Maga Republican wing, and he's got to answer for 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:02.520 how he's going to lower costs for people, how he's 0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:06.679 going to deal with their rising healthcare costs. I'm going 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:10.399 to tell you right now, everywhere I turn, I'm meeting 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.520 you know, amazing Michiganders. I still am because they just 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.040 saw me all over their TV, you know, for the 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:21.040 last handful of months. And there's joy here for sure. 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.160 You know, Detroit's on the rise, Motorcity's on the rise. 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:29.960 But folks are you know, they're getting less money? You know, 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.840 I really mean that. I talk to people who've been 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:36.159 unemployed on occasion. Actually, there was a girl who just 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:39.480 brought me door dash and we had a whole big 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:43.840 comfab last night about her situation. She was all happy, 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.239 she was she's resilient, but she's like, you know, I've 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:47.800 been out of work for a year and she had 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.040 a stroke, you know, a couple of years ago, in 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:53.040 twenty twenty one, and just trying to kind of connect 0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.719 in And that's not I know, that's her individual story, 0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:01.840 but that individual story matters so very much, right I mean, 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:03.840 I mean, and that's always what I tried to do 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.199 as a rep, is just you know, help that one person, 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.160 you know, and do it in ones and twos and networks. 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:14.160 So I think when you ask me that question about Rogers, 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.560 he's got to figure out what case he's making two 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.280 people on what he's going to do for them. I'm 0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:24.080 not out here trying to give him advice. I you know, 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.960 that's not my industry or my profession really, but you know, 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.720 I did want to answer, and you know, a duel 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.760 has come out of a major rough primary, and you know, 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.399 and look, he's going to be out there making you know, 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.200 his case to voters. To it seems like he knew 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:42.960 how to do it because he just came out of 0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.920 this big one. So I don't you know, and and 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.480 you know, there's certainly some questions and voters will start 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:51.199 voting in about a month's time. We get early vote here, 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.159 so we'll see and you know, pay attention to the 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.840 votes that get cast. You know, we just have so 0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:01.040 much prognosticating in American politics. I mean people were calling 0:27:01.080 --> 0:27:05.159 this one. I voted on my at my polling location 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.280 on primary day, and they were calling my race as 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.359 I was coming out. Now, there was a swarm of press. 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:12.600 You know, Congress over you're down fifteen points. 0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:13.240 What are you going to do? 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.800 I said, well, you know, let's just get you know, 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:19.320 I'm in this mode. You know, Abdul says he's not 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:23.480 a socialist. I condemn socialism. You know this and that again, 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.600 not trying to I don't really know Rogers. Okay, he 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.840 went to Florida. I never served with him. Seems like 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:32.400 he made a bunch of money. He's, like you said, 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.160 he's sitting on the couch. So you know, maybe he's 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:36.560 trying to go to the Senate. 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.080 Now all right, well let me ask you about what 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.760 you just referenced where you're saying, you know, I'm not 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:44.919 a socialist. You said, Mike Rogers needs to decide what 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.480 he's for. But there's a little bit of that within 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.640 the Democratic Party right now. Right we've got this next 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.560 phase and the progressive versus monitoratet fight that's coming up. 0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:53.359 Particularly in Wisconsin. 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:55.960 You've been talking to us about how long you've been 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.000 in democratic politics, all your successes. You flipped the seat, 0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:03.240 you served your constituent, but you lost. Do you think 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.240 that the Democratic Party is really taking these lessons to 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.600 heart or do you think they're continually making the same mistakes, 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:10.960 especially in these primaries. 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:16.159 I wouldn't go into any of that. I mean, honestly, 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:21.560 I think that we've just got this incredible, you know 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.320 race that was just had. I think my coalition is awesome. 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.760 I'm really proud of it. You know, I won Detroit 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:31.840 by sixty seven percent of the vote. But I wouldn't 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:36.600 be getting into mistakes. I mean, people just want healthcare, okay. 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.680 I mean I want to fix government. I want to 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.680 make government services work better for people. I was chief 0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.480 of staff on the US Auto Rescue. It was an 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:51.080 emergency situation. My goodness, gracious, that worked really well. You know, 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.040 an eighty billion dollar managed bankruptcy of General Motors and Chrysler, 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.680 saving two hundred thousand Michigan jobs, of which we were 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:03.040 repaid on interest as the you know government, as the 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.760 American taxpayer was repaid on interest. I'm looking at our 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.360 debt and our deficit, and I'm thinking, okay, well, why 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.960 is our debt growing faster than our gross domestic product? 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.640 Why is it growing faster than our economy? You know, 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.440 I want to lessen our dependence on China to create 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:23.600 jobs and lower costs. We got to focus on critical minerals. 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.160 I did that with the Chips Act. You know, I'm 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.600 a voice in the Democratic Party saying those things, and 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:30.840 I think sometimes I get while you're asking the question, 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:35.680 but one person doesn't define the Democratic Party. We are 0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.600 a big group, just I mean, the Republicans are a 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.880 big group, and then there's this independent chunk just kind 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.760 of swings and we got to I mean, honestly, at 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.840 the end of my primary, I was saying, no American 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:52.520 is my enemy. I mean truly, I just look, I'm 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:54.640 there in the Congress. I mean I used to talk. 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.200 I talk to everybody. I'm you know, except for the 0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.480 one from Georgia. Okay, but I don't want to poker 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:04.040 because she she's tempestuous and she resigned, okay, but everyone 0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:07.200 else was by and large, you could talk to him. 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:10.239 Duly elected member of Congress. I mean I came in, 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.680 I don't know, I'd never served in Congress, and I 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:20.000 got my first bill signed for early childhood education in Science, Technology, Engineering, 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:25.040 and Mathematics Christmas Eve twenty nineteen, signed by Trump a 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.200 week after the first teachmn. He still signed it. Hey 0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:29.920 that's America baby. 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.520 There, that's America baby. I think is a good wed 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:35.240 coming on. 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:37.560 Please enjoy some pop for us. 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:39.640 I think we've just got a coffee and water here 0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:40.120 this morning. 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.040 Sures to you, and good luck with everything. 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:43.280 Thank you so much to speak with you. 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.560 Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. 0:30:47.800 --> 0:31:01.880 Right after this, we back the Bloomber this weekend. I'm 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.040 David Gerro with Christina Raffini, and this week parts of 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.720 Europe will be treated to a rare celestial event that 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:09.000 has not happened in nearly three decades. 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:09.600 Should I sing? 0:31:09.680 --> 0:31:10.320 Shouldy to sing? 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:10.440 It? 0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:12.080 Totally? Eclips of the heart, I'm not going to do it. 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.800 I value our audience more than that, all right. Eight totals, 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:15.280 We don't. 0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.080 Have the riots. It's the main issue totally. 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.440 I'm not sure I'd be on pitch and effort to matter. 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.640 But a total solar eclipse will darken the afternoon sky 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:26.360 across Spain, Iceland and Greenland, with many other cities witnessing 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:27.880 the event joining us now. 0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:28.760 I'm Abelle. 0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:32.000 She's an astronomer with the Royal Observatory of Greenwich right 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.760 now on the Spanish island of Majorca, which should be 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.520 right in the path of this eclipse. Are you as 0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.120 excited as our producer Patrick Becker. 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:41.600 Who was so excited about this. 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.360 We're doing a whole segment on it, but we're very 0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:44.040 happy to talk to you. 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:45.280 Why do people get excited about it? 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.560 Well, I don't know how excited Patrick isba I would 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.840 probably argue I'm more excited right if it's a competition. 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:54.560 Oh, I just heard take that in my ear from 0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:55.280 the control room. 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:57.960 So what are you expecting to see? How big is 0:31:57.960 --> 0:31:58.440 this going to be? 0:31:58.440 --> 0:31:59.560 I mean when we had one of these over the 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.200 US years ago, people kind of lost their minds. Are 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.720 you expecting Are Europeans more chill about this or are 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:05.880 you expecting a similar reaction? 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.480 I don't know if Europeans are more chill. I feel 0:32:09.520 --> 0:32:13.440 like the reaction in the US was huge because that 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.440 was a really important event. So many people, I think 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:20.800 forty four million people saw the total sodar eclipse of 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:22.560 the eighth of April or was it twenty twenty four, 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.600 two years ago, and because that was such an event, 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.560 it built up so much excitement that spread across the 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:31.760 whole entire world. That definitely over here in Europe we 0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.680 caught it. And now two years on it's our turn, 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.240 and you've sort of sowed the seeds for all the 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:40.960 excitement as well, and so we're even more excited, I think, 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.719 especially because US in Europe we've not seen a total 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:49.840 solar eclipse since nineteen ninety nine. This is a huge event. 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:51.840 We are so excited and we are not going to 0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.800 see a total sodar eclipse again in the UK for 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:58.800 sure until twenty ninety. So this is a massive deal. 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.320 In Palma, all the shops are selling soda eclipse glasses. 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.000 There's information about it everywhere. Yeah, so we are very 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:07.840 very excited. 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.920 Talk to us a bit about totality and what's that 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:13.880 that's like. I mean talking to friends and family who 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:15.960 experienced the last time around here in the States. It 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.520 sounded like a pretty magical couple of minutes. 0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.240 Yeah, no, for sure, it's totally magical after over a 0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:24.840 couple of hours. It depends on each clipse. The moon 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:28.360 moves across the surf the disc of the Sun in 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.560 the sky until if you're lucky, if you're in the 0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:35.000 path of totality, it will completely cover the Sun. Which 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.600 is such a special moment because as well on the 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:42.320 planet Earth, we are unique in being able to experience 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:44.960 these total soda eclipses. For example, Mars has got two moons, 0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.840 Phobos and Demos, and if they go in front of 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:51.040 the Sun, they don't completely cover the surface of the Sun. 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:53.840 They do these little transits of the Sun. We are 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.800 just so lucky that our moon and our Sun appear 0:33:56.880 --> 0:33:59.000 to be the same size in the sky. Because the 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.080 Moon is four hundred times smaller and also four hundred 0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:06.840 times closer, they almost perfectly match up. So it's extremely 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.120 special and some people describe it as quite eerie. The 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.799 animals can react because the sky will get darker even 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:15.680 though it's the daytime, it's not the right time, and 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:17.920 so it can sort of confuse the animals a little 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:21.080 bit as well. And I mean it is just so 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:24.600 exciting because we go about our day to day lives 0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.360 forgetting because it's so easy to forget. We're all so busy, 0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:31.520 we're also stressed forgetting that we are just on a 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:38.320 ball of rock in space nearly thirteen thousand kilometers wide, 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:42.360 going around a star that's one hundred and fifty million 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.080 kilometers away. And when you know the Moon, the Earth, 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.279 and the Sun all line up like this, you see 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.200 it during totality, it can remind us what we are 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:51.759 a part of. 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:54.160 I feel like it's been kind of a good year 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:55.240 for the Cosmos. 0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.080 It's been a good year for space. We've had some. 0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.840 Pop culture moments, We've had some new technology here in 0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:02.439 the as, We've had this private sector of space race 0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:05.600 get an excitement. You've studied this for a while. I'm 0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:08.439 sure it's ebbed and flow. Do you feel like these 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.280 kind of events kind of renew interest in this field 0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:15.600 of study and make people excited to look outside our atmosphere? 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:23.120 I absolutely agree. I mean, solar eclipses are an opportunity 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:27.880 for everyone to appreciate the scale of the universe, the 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:30.600 scale of space. What were to make us you stop 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.560 and have a little look, and that's what makes it 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:38.919 so exciting. Everyone can appreciate the eclipse. You don't need 0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:40.799 that many tools to see it. I mean you can 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.160 use it. You can view an eclipse using a colander, 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.440 using a pinhole projector to eclipse to see the eclipse. 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.439 So it means everyone can see it, which is why 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.640 it's just so exciting. But as well, in terms of science, 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:57.480 eclipses offer a extremely unique opportunity to study the Sun 0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:00.840 that you wouldn't usually get and a lot of our 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:05.320 understanding of science comes off the back of solar eclipses. 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.040 For example, one of our first one of the first 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.200 bits of evidence we had to back up part of 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:16.359 Einstein's theory of general relativity was during a total solar 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:20.440 eclipse in nineteen nineteen, where we were able to see 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.000 that actually the light from the stars that were grazing 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.120 the disc of the Sun were in fact bent around 0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.440 the mass of the Sun, and we wouldn't be able 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:31.280 to see that during the day until in nineteen nineteen 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:35.399 when the total solar eclipse blocked out the massive light 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:38.239 of the Sun, and they were they allowed astronomers to 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:40.719 see these points of light, these stars and see how 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.880 they had slightly been moved because of the mass of 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:49.560 the Sun. Total solo clips allowed us to discover the 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.120 element helium, which gets its name from the Sun from 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:57.360 the ancient Greek god Helios. And today, not today, sorry, 0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:02.680 next week Wednesday, twelfth of August, a NASA mission will 0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:08.120 be they're flying a jets to chase the shadow, the 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.840 Moon's shadow across the Earth so that they can study 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:15.160 totality for longer. And they will be studying the corona 0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.719 of the Sun because the outer atmosphere of the Sun, 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:20.520 which is a very mysterious part of the Sun, because 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:24.120 it's heated, superheated to over a million degrees, which is 0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:26.960 what we're not entirely sure how that happens when the 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:28.040 surface of the Sun is. 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:32.440 Just very Coolbelle, thank you very much for joining us. 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.240 Enjoy totality, appreciate your time on this Sunday. 0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:40.520 Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:56.239 Right after this, Welcome back to Bloomberg this weekend or 0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:57.400 Bete Dubs. 0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:58.960 I'm Chris and Raffini with. 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:02.279 David Gerra and Lisa Matteo has some stories we might 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.840 have missed this week and Lisa try it again. 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:06.600 No hot talks time hot dog. 0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:07.520 They're not doing hot dogs. 0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:07.759 Okay. 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:09.439 How about concerts. You guys have been to a number 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.040 of concerts. You pay a lot for tickets. 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:12.640 I don't, which is why I don't go to a 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:14.200 lot of them. They're so expensive. 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:15.080 Yeah, they're expensive. 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:15.360 Okay. 0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.040 So that's that's the kind of the crust of the story. 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.680 So this is the Wall Street Journal. It says, artist, crowd, please, 0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:23.319 are twenty dollars tickets for shows. So it turns out 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.160 artists like Coldplay, Olivia Rodrigo, they're offering these tickets that 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.759 are like twenty bucks. That's great, Coldplay did. They're called 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.400 Infinity tickets. Olivia Rodrigo called it silver Star tickets. Even 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.480 Charlie XCX she's going to do something like that to 0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:39.239 keep the resellers away. Though there's certain rules you have 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.239 to apply by Okay, the tickets have to be picked 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.719 up at the box office. You gotta go, you gotta 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.520 go there, and you don't know where you're gonna sit 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:46.680 until the day you go there. 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:47.800 So those are things. 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.400 But they sell out fast, and that's that's something. But 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:52.480 it's not new. I mean, kid Rock has been doing 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.160 this Garth Brooks. The Rolling Stones have this program called 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.560 Lucky Dip that they've been doing. You kind of help people, 0:38:57.600 --> 0:38:59.680 like they want them to enjoy their music, but they 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:01.400 need to make it a little bit affordable too. 0:39:01.440 --> 0:39:03.160 At the same in my household, eager to see Livia 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.399 Ordrigo playing at the Barkley Center in a few months. 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:08.200 Look at the ticket prices seven thirty nine each, seven 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:11.600 eighty six, eight fifty four. It's been a hard conversation 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.320 to have for one ticket. And these are not great seats. 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.239 There are seats within the arena. But I'm good to 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:17.719 know about this. 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.120 But this is the same thing with like World Cup prices, 0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.080 where you get these crazy fans that just can never 0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:25.080 see these games, and that's not fair. You know, kids, 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:26.400 you get to go see their favorite artists. 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.600 I paid, well, that's a deal because I paid two 0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:31.280 fifty a pop for Garth Brooks, for Brooks. 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:32.240 No, not Garth Brooks. 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:39.560 It was Friends and Low Places, Brian Life, it was 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:41.360 generation Away. 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:45.080 I'm telling you it's expensive out there. Okay, So you 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.080 mentioned going to these things concerts with your kids. When 0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:49.800 you go to the concerts, you buy them like hoodies. 0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:52.759 There's always a push for that game. 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.239 You got to remember associated with everything. This is in 0:39:56.239 --> 0:40:00.399 the Washington Post. Teen hoodies are testing their class, it's 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:04.320 limits and their parents patients. Okay, so if you've ever seen, 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:08.680 I know my daughter's closet lined up stepped hoodies right across. 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:12.560 And the problem is that they're worrying about how they're 0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:14.320 going to store these things. Okay, because the closets a 0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:16.400 running onund his pace. They're bulky, they're big, you know, 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:17.520 how are you going to fold them? How are you 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:19.719 going to fit them? And now these young teens are 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:22.319 going to college and so parents are like, how are 0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:23.719 you going to fit all these in a dorm room? 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.399 Personal for reasons. 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:32.759 And what do you do? So they have like all 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.880 these solutions. There's Facebook groups out there for this for 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.479 people how to do it. My daughter says she's taken half, 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.279 taking half the hoodies, and then she comes back from 0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:42.560 break brings those back up. 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:43.879 Set. 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:48.759 See you get a new set like the gift you yes, 0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:52.040 I don't yes, yes, if you don't get a hoodie, 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:53.600 I don't know. 0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:53.799 I know this. 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:55.840 It's a thing. You go down the Jersey Shore, you 0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:56.120 get a. 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:58.200 Hoodie there, you know, And I saw in your video 0:40:58.239 --> 0:40:59.480 there the old Goat USA. 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:00.680 You know that brand? 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:00.919 Boy? 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:02.120 Do I see? 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:03.120 I was? 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.239 This was a conversation. No idea. 0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.200 What that's your wardrobe? I don't know either. 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.279 So many hoodies in my teens. It's not something I 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:11.920 have as an adult. 0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:16.080 But my parents who moved from Colorado still have like 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.359 two full drawers of hoodies that I just left there 0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:20.279 when I went to college and never so haven't given 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.200 me warned some mateo, the promises of hoodie. 0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:25.080 You know, carriage may not may not happen. 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:27.640 This followed her hot topic goth stage that we still need. 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:29.160 Yes, we do need proof of that. 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.920 Drawing all together Saturday and Sunday to show across two days. 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.080 If you're just tuning in today, you've missed a lot 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:36.320 of the inside jokes. 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:38.560 But it's a wonderful time. 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:41.000 It's a wonderful time. All right. Let me take you 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:45.120 from hoodies to clothing you can wear to keep you incognito. 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.320 Okay, let me explain, all right, This is from the Guardian. 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:52.560 Adversarial clothing are garments designed to confuse facial recognition systems 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:54.920 about to go mainstream. 0:41:54.280 --> 0:41:55.240 So let me explain. 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.760 These are These are carefully designed arrangement of shapes, colors, 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:01.800 repeated patterns. And they do is they throw off computer 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:06.120 vision systems. So if you're if you're listening on radio, 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:09.560 it's kind of hard to describe these patterns. I don't know, 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:14.680 how would you guys describe. Yes, that's what it does 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.279 to these these these visual systems that are out there 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.160 kind of tracking people. So that's why they're wearing this. 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:24.480 It's it's a little odd, but it's kind of with fashion. 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:27.880 I mean it's it's it's how you you speak. It's 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.799 a form of expression. So they're kind of voicing out 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:32.080 their concerns against. 0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:33.839 You were talking about concert halls. I think now when 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:35.360 you like go to a lot of concert venues for 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:36.120 being kind. 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.280 Of yeah, especially wanted New York had some controversial moments 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:43.160 for allegedly using facial recognition, and people don't want to 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.480 be on these lists. I mean, it's it's I think 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:47.600 it's really interesting and I think it's interesting how they're 0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:50.080 trying to make them wearable to write. As you've put 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.640 these up here, they're all different and some are some 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:55.960 are colorful, and some are digitized, and that in itself 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:57.640 seems like a bit of a fashion statement. Especially the 0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:59.680 story was it earlier this week about Camo becoming big 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:00.239 as we're. 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:01.439 Gonna it's cameo. 0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:03.160 I love that all together. 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:06.560 It's vacation time, Vacation time boy. 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:09.760 Martha's Vineyard, Good. 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:11.840 Morning, ninety two nine Boston to our listeners in the 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.160 Greater Boston area to the top of Mount catatam As 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:14.800 Tom people. 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:19.840 Would say, you rolled that out very smoothly. One of 0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:23.160 David Gurrow's favorite hotspots. Also, the Obamas have a house there, 0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:24.600 so it is a popular place. 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:26.200 This isn't from Bloomberg. 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:31.640 Martha's Vineyard. Ticks drive tourists scrapt issue here, girls and 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.440 rentals takes a big problem. 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:34.359 They are. 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:36.400 And deer ticks had been an issue there for a 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:38.759 very long time. There were a lot of deer it's 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:40.280 something that's immediately noticeable. 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:41.440 But now there are these other. 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:45.160 Smaller the loan star ticks, which transmit this alpha gl 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:49.360 syndrome which gives you a meat allergy meat dairy products. 0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.160 And it's been really wild to watch a how that's spread. 0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:54.840 You hear about an anecdotally, and then if you go 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.839 to shops or restaurants they sell food items that don't 0:43:57.880 --> 0:43:58.480 have those. 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:01.040 Items and they call it like they call it that 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.040 on the menu. It's it's it's crazy. 0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.040 Can you not, I mean, can you not go to 0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:07.760 your fancy beach without like trudging through the tick laden 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:08.799 bushes if they're just. 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:12.879 Everywhere, this specific one is every and the lone starting 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.680 ticks come after you, unlike dear ticks like they are aggressive. 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:18.320 Sad that our radio listeners can't watch me do it. 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:21.280 Thank you for yes, radio listeners really. 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:25.160 Missed so not David Guru, though not David Lisa. 0:44:25.200 --> 0:44:25.480 Thank you. 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:30.560 Thanks for joining us on today's Bloomberg This Weekend podcast. 0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:32.959 Don't forget to tune in live for the show every 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:35.640 Saturday and Sunday morning, starting at seven am Eastern. 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.719 We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business App, 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.319 bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:43.600 lifestyle and culture.