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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, in the case of a twelve

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Speaker 2: year old, beautiful little girl, Jocelyn Nungary, who loved Harry Potter,

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Speaker 2: raped and murdered, the Harris County District Attorney announces she

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Speaker 2: will seek the death penalty against the men accused of

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Speaker 2: killing little Jocelyn. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. Harris County District Attorney

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Speaker 2: Kim oug says her office will absolutely seek the death

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Speaker 2: penalty against two men accused in the rape and murder

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Speaker 2: of a twelve year old little girl. Capital murder charges

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Speaker 2: filed against twenty six year old Franklin Pina and twenty

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Speaker 2: two year old Johann Martinez Wrangel. This after the two

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Speaker 2: men allegedly raped and strangled the little girl, leaving her

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Speaker 2: body in a shallow creek near her home under a bridge,

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Speaker 2: and in the last days, Franklin Pina, one of the

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Speaker 2: two men accused, appears in court. Joscelyn Nungary became a

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Speaker 2: point of debate during the presidential election, but now the

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Speaker 2: election is over and hard reality sets in, it's time

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Speaker 2: for the state to prepare a trial.

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Speaker 3: What happened to little Joscelyn.

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Speaker 2: Jocelyn, just twelve years old, lured from a local seven

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Speaker 2: to eleven, found strangled and unclothed, tied up in a creek.

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Speaker 4: The chief, we're here to share some very horrible news.

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Speaker 4: Someone has taken one of our innocent children, promised today.

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Speaker 4: A twelve year old little girl found her this morning,

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Speaker 4: and we believe somebody did this horrible thing to her,

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Speaker 4: and we are here to ask for your help.

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Speaker 5: I'm like angry that they just they've took advantage of her.

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Speaker 3: She's so young, so he'd took my baby away. Now

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Speaker 3: I get to little brother.

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Speaker 1: No's just ever come.

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Speaker 2: Hold that emotional video of Johnson's mother from our friends Akhou.

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Speaker 3: It all started when we heard this.

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Speaker 6: Listen to find out if anybody knows anything, anybody saw anything,

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Speaker 6: Anybody can share that information so we can figure out

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Speaker 6: what happened to her exactly, and we can find whoever

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Speaker 6: did this and.

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Speaker 4: Get them off the street. I've talked to this child's mother,

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Speaker 4: of course, she is devastated, Her family is devastating. Her

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Speaker 4: little girl's gone, So we need your help.

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Speaker 2: This little girl goes to bed when mommy goes to bed,

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Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn. Then she sneaks

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Speaker 2: out for what to go about a block to the

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Speaker 2: seven to eleven and call her little boyfriend. That's it,

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Speaker 2: just a phone call. She never came home. This is

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Speaker 2: what more we know.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to talk to you about an incident that

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Speaker 7: happened around six am this morning. A citizen called nine

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Speaker 7: to one one regarding a body seen in the shallow

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Speaker 7: water of the bayou in your four hundred West Brancolin

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Speaker 7: Road in the Houston's North Belt area. Houston's Homicide Division,

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Speaker 7: along with the assistants of the Houston Department's dive team

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Speaker 7: in the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, we're able to

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Speaker 7: recover that body out of the shallow water there. Harris

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Speaker 7: County's Medical Examiner's Office is completing an official identification of

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Speaker 7: the victim.

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Speaker 2: That little twelve year old girl has been murdered, and

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Speaker 2: we believe right by who. According to police, two illegal

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Speaker 2: immigrants also known as non citizen migrants, one of them

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Speaker 2: allegedly cutting off his ankle monitor.

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Speaker 3: After the murder. That's right, let that sink in.

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Speaker 2: One of them cutting off his criminal ankle monitor after

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Speaker 2: the twelve year old little.

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Speaker 3: Girl is murdered.

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Speaker 2: So at the time, this little girl is stripped, tied up,

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Speaker 2: kept under a bridge, being tortured for two hours, lured

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Speaker 3: There's no other way to say it, animals. He's wearing

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Speaker 2: There she is, thinking she's on a real adventure, sneaking

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Speaker 3: In the background, the little.

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Speaker 2: Boyfriend hears adult voices to adult voices, who walks up

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Speaker 3: These two, that's who, Why are they even here?

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Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now? But have any of you

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Speaker 2: had it with violent crime, especially on children, much less

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Speaker 3: Why why are they here? Why are they lurking around unapprehended?

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Speaker 3: And now this little girl is dead again? Joining me

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Speaker 3: in All Star panel.

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Speaker 2: But first to Coraley Peel investigative reporter kp RC two

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Speaker 2: in Houston.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us, Cory. Start at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead.

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Speaker 8: This tragic story starts when Alexis Nungray tucked her twelve

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Speaker 8: year old daughter Alexis in bed Sunday night. Last Sunday,

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Speaker 8: she was expected to go to work with her mother

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Speaker 8: the next morning, so she said everything was normal, nothing

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Speaker 8: seemed unusual. She went to bed around ten o'clock that night,

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Speaker 8: and the next morning she realized that her daughter was missing.

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Speaker 8: So she gets in her car. She drives around the

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Speaker 8: and when she pings her phone, it takes her to

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Speaker 8: Courly Peel.

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Speaker 2: That is every appearance worse nightmare, because when I can't

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Speaker 2: find the twins, my children, I just go look at

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Speaker 3: And I'm just imagining this mom And.

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Speaker 2: It was really early in the morning, and Jocelyn, the

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Speaker 3: Go to bed, Go to bed.

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Speaker 2: You gotta get up early because you're going to work

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Speaker 2: with me, and mommy goes to sleep.

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Speaker 3: This is what we know. Listen.

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Speaker 9: Joscelyn Hungary is a helpful, bright, funny girl. At twelve

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Speaker 9: years old, she helps her mother with her little brother,

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Speaker 9: and at school, she's one of the most popular. On

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Speaker 9: Sunday night, Jocelyn's mother, Alexis Nungary, reminds her not to

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Speaker 9: with her in the morning. Alexis tells Joscelyn good night

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Speaker 9: at ten pm and turns in for the night herself.

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Speaker 9: A little after ten pm, when she is certain her

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Speaker 9: goes to a local convenience store. It's around midnight when

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Speaker 9: she calls her thirteen year old boyfriend, who says he

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Speaker 9: hears Joscelyn talking to some adults before he hangs up

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Speaker 3: Joining me.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, Renow psychoanalyst, is from la You can

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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You know, I've actually

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Speaker 2: heard people horrible, people attacking the little girl and the mom.

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Speaker 2: It was a couple of blocks away. For what, is

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Speaker 2: she out dealing drugs? Is she out horing around? Is

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Speaker 2: she out joy riding, stealing a car, vandalizing, doing pot,

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Speaker 2: doing anything wrong? No, she goes to call and say

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Speaker 2: good night to the little boyfriend who's just thirteen, and

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Speaker 3: That's it, And some people have actually vilified it.

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people not me, because I

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Speaker 2: was afraid that I wasn't afraid of what my parents

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Speaker 3: I was afraid they'd be disappointed in me.

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Speaker 2: I never snuck out, But I can't say the same

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Speaker 2: for my brother and sister or anybody else I know

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Speaker 2: that didn't sneak out and do something and actually get

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Speaker 3: But I hate that, Bethany.

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Speaker 2: Will people do anything, come up with anything, fabricate anything,

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Speaker 2: to blame a victim. I think I know why they

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Speaker 2: do it, because it isolates them from a crime like

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Speaker 2: that'll never happen to me and my child.

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Speaker 3: But this is a.

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Speaker 2: Twelve year old little girl who was about to get

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Speaker 10: Nancy.

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Speaker 5: People are saying all kinds of horrible things like why

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Speaker 5: did the mother go to bed before her daughter went

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Speaker 5: to bed, Why did the little girl sleep sneak out

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Speaker 5: of the window, Why did she have a boyfriend? To

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Speaker 5: put this in context, Nancy, by the time children are

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Speaker 5: twelve years old, they are beginning a developmental trajectory where

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Speaker 5: they will start to distance themselves from their parents sometimes

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Speaker 5: and start to cling to their peers. They're preparing to

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Speaker 5: leave home when they're seventeen, eighteen, or nineteen. It's how

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Speaker 5: their brains are developing and growing. So that's why you

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Speaker 5: see them always wanting to play video games with other people,

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Speaker 5: on social media. It's because they're her brains are programmed

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Speaker 5: to do that. All she wanted to do was say

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Speaker 5: good night to her little boyfriend. This is a twelve

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Speaker 5: year old child who was doing what twelve year olds do,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this little girl steaks out of the house

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Speaker 2: to call the little boyfriend on her cell she never

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Speaker 3: Where was the mom working?

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Speaker 2: Why was little Jocelyn going with mom to work the

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Speaker 8: Now she didn't reveal that information as to exactly what

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Speaker 8: but she said they just came back from a vacation

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Speaker 8: were going to get up early. It was going to

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Speaker 8: the next day. But it was just a heartbreaking, you know,

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Speaker 8: worst nightmare, no one thinks that their child's not going

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: While there's a gag order imposed on the cases proceedings,

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Speaker 2: meaning no one in the courtroom, including Johnson's mother, Alexis Nungriy,

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Speaker 2: can talk to the media. We still have learned that

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Speaker 2: one of the two defendants, Franklin Pina, in court past

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Speaker 2: days there was a DNA status update and more again

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Speaker 2: a very tight gag order on the proceedings. We also

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Speaker 2: know that the death penalty to be sought against the

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Speaker 2: two murder suspects has been announced, Jocelyn's mother stating it

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Speaker 2: is quote the most justice possible. When you hear the facts,

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Speaker 2: you may agree with her mother, Lynn Shaw, a founder

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Speaker 2: executive director of Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending human trafficking

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Speaker 2: and sexploitation, particularly of children.

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Speaker 3: Lynn, when I read this.

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Speaker 2: Story, I could barely contain myself, just twelve years old.

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Speaker 2: I'm remembering my children at age twelve, completely innocent, completely innocent,

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Speaker 2: You saw her playing I believe a cello. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's just a perfect little girl. And to end like this,

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Speaker 2: this horrible death. When I think of those two one

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Speaker 2: We hear, oh okay, little girl found dead in a

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Speaker 11: We work so hard with missing children, sex traffic children,

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Speaker 11: I saw this story of a twelve year old and

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Speaker 11: hardened about all of this. I am tired of this, Nancy.

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Speaker 11: I am tired of everybody making light of what's going

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Speaker 11: Then I heard she was calling her boyfriend. Then I

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Speaker 10: Then it was walked back.

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Speaker 11: Nobody else will say right now she was actually raped.

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Speaker 11: They said that is pending the sexual assault. Well, I

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Speaker 11: They do not belong here. Kids have been jumping out

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Speaker 10: When kids.

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Speaker 11: Anybody is breaking out. We live in a society now

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Speaker 11: we have to step up. This is the reality, dark

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Speaker 10: This is what we're faced with today.

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Speaker 2: A twelve year old little girl is lured away by

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Speaker 2: Lured under a bridge, She's found stripped, bound and dead, strangled, dead,

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Speaker 2: Michael Yvonnees, former Houston Police homicide detective now PI at

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Speaker 2: You know Lenna's right. No one will say they rate

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Speaker 3: Why was she bound?

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Speaker 2: Why are cops saying this much that she was held

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Speaker 3: Why? Why?

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Speaker 2: Why all those circumstances if she was not sex assaulted

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine this child begging to.

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Speaker 2: and they strangled her anyway, Can you imagine that that's

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Speaker 12: Of course, Nancy, all those signs are indicative of sexual assault.

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Speaker 12: And you and I and common sense people, we probably

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Speaker 3: Further down the road, back to speciales joining us.

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Speaker 2: Coral a Peel investigator Reporter kp R C two Coray,

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Speaker 2: what do we know about these two guys?

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about them.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, we've learned that they are originally from Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: They've been living in.

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Speaker 8: Houston for about a month. That's according to neighbors who

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Speaker 3: We don't know a whole.

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Speaker 8: Lot right now, but we do know that they were

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Speaker 8: stopped by Border patrol. Martinez was stomped, I believe, back

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 2: This is what more we are learning incredible police work.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you recall Jennifer Dulo's, the missing

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Speaker 3: He murdered her.

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Speaker 2: This mother of five goes missing, and what the local

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Speaker 3: Real a demo reel.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and they follow the perp or the victim through

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Speaker 2: To get it detailed because Jennifer's DNA is all over it,

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Speaker 7: Our team has worked tirelessly tracking evidence in this case

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Speaker 2: We go to air right now, we learn a Senate

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Speaker 2: expand death penalty eligibility. This move was touched off by

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Speaker 2: Texas law does not allow the death penalty for individuals

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Speaker 3: Now, the fact that the two.

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Speaker 2: Men were charged not only with the murder but with

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Speaker 3: They're movements. Listen.

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Speaker 7: The suspects continued south and we're first seen on a

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Speaker 3: Oh, they're totally busted.

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Speaker 2: They are following them through veryous surveillance videos. They'll probably

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Speaker 3: Now, who sees this.

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Speaker 2: Little girl at the seven eleven. All she's doing is

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Speaker 2: Nobody except these two. I was asking you earlier, what

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Speaker 3: What he immediately disappears?

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Speaker 2: We know Ebarra placed on a program, a ankle monitor program.

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Speaker 3: Disappeared under similar circumstances. Where are they? Maybe in your backyard?

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is a renowned chief medical examiner out

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Speaker 3: That's Fort Worth.

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Speaker 2: Never lack of business there, Doctor Kendall Crowns, who has

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 13: So in a case of strangulation, you would still follow

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Speaker 2: How will you determine, doctor Kendall Crowns, whether or not

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Speaker 13: So an evaluation of her genitalia will be done looking

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Speaker 14: You Surveillan shows twelve year old Jocelyn with two unknown

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Speaker 2: little girl was doing nothing more than sneaking a cell

443
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Speaker 2: phone call to her little thirteen year old boyfriend at

444
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Speaker 2: the nearby seven to eleven, and she ends up dead, stripped, strangled,

445
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Speaker 2: and thrown into the water. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us

446
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: renounced likeo analyst out of la Doctor Bethany, what does

447
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: the treatment of this little girl mean to you as

448
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: it relates to the minds of the two perpetrators.

449
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Speaker 5: Well, for one, I think she had three factors that

450
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 5: they were looking for. Availability, vulnerability, and desirability. She's such

451
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 5: a cute little girl. She's vulnerable, they can have their

452
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 5: way with her, nancy, and I think these guys wanted

453
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 5: to have power and control over a female. They were

454
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 5: full of rage and nancy. They may have done this before.

455
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 5: I mean, these two guys are acting in concert to terrorize,

456
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 5: rape and do whatever they want to do. Remember John

457
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 5: Lee Malvo obvious see John Alvin and John Allen Muhammad

458
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 5: were they They worked in concert to terrorize the DC area.

459
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 5: They were full of rage, They came from another country.

460
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 5: They wanted to come up against unsuspecting victims. I was

461
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 5: thinking about that with these two, especially since they have

462
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 5: a gang history, Like what were they really planning and

463
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 5: that area that they had moved into, did they want

464
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 5: to pray on other unsuspecting victims. Where were they hatching

465
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 5: some plot? But definitely they chose this little girl because

466
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 5: she's tiny, she's vulnerable. They could have their way with her.

467
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 5: These monsters, they're not going to come up against peers

468
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 5: or somebody more powerful than them. Imagine what happens when

469
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 5: they have to come up against the police, or now

470
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 5: they're being questioned or they have to answer to investigators.

471
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 5: These guys are cowards, deep down, homicidal cowards who only

472
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 5: wanted their way with a little girl. It is so

473
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 5: terrible and tragic.

474
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Speaker 2: You know another thing, Doctor Bethany Marshall, is these two

475
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: we now know thanks to local police and especially that

476
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Speaker 2: detective Steven Hope.

477
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Speaker 3: You were hearing earlier that these.

478
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Speaker 2: Two went out and were spotted at a restaurant, and

479
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 2: they're caught on surveillance video at a restaurant having dinner.

480
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Speaker 2: It's almost like they go out for dinner in a

481
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: movie and they use up the little girl and just

482
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: throw her away like that throw a popcorn down at

483
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Speaker 2: That's how she's treated, Nancy.

484
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Speaker 5: These animals have no regard for life. And when I

485
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 5: heard about the restaurant, I was thinking, were they just

486
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 5: sitting ordering hamburgers and French fries and talking about who

487
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 5: they're going to murder. I would not be surprised if

488
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 5: they were stirring it up and actually stimulating each other,

489
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Speaker 5: because we know even with criminals who get out of jail,

490
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 5: sometimes they emerge more frustrated and more ready to offend

491
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 5: because of their incarceration experiences. And these guys have been roaming,

492
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 5: you know, they go over the border there and there

493
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 5: they interact with law enforcement. It's almost like there's this

494
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 5: hatred and vindictiveness building up inside of them, this sense

495
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 5: that the world is against them, that they have to

496
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: assert power somewhere. And remember, it's rumored that they have

497
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 5: a criminal background, a gang background, which tells me that

498
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 5: they've been in an environment where there's socially sanctioned sociopathy,

499
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 5: so that not only are they criminals, sadists, rapists on

500
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Speaker 5: their own, but they've been a part of a society

501
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 5: where men do this kind of thing Nancy. So this

502
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 5: becomes a perfect storm, which is the reason why they

503
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: should not have been here, because we don't really have

504
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 5: this in our country where it's a perfect storm of

505
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 5: men who are misogynists, who hate women, who want to

506
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 5: rape torture and kill just because everybody else thinks it's okay.

507
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 5: And they're stirring each other.

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Speaker 2: Up, you know, Lynn Shaw with me, founder of Lynn's Warriors,

509
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 2: committed to ending mistreatment of children.

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Speaker 3: Lynn.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about the way they soak, callously throw

512
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Speaker 2: her body.

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Speaker 3: And that buy you We've shown you and just walk away,

514
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: probably laughing.

515
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Speaker 2: And the image which police have given me because they're

516
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: spotted on video at a restaurant having a great time

517
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: and then they leave and like I was telling Doctor Bethany,

518
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: like going to dinner in a movie for the rest

519
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: to us, that's a big night out, and instead they

520
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: go for dinner and then they go get this little girl,

521
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: and they're stoking each other as they go.

522
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: Very often people.

523
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: Will do things as a group that they wouldn't do

524
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: on their own. But these two are like minded. And

525
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: I've given this example before, Lynn Shaw. If you're out

526
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Speaker 2: for a walk on a nature trailer in a park

527
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: and you see a little rabbit go by, I bet

528
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: your first instinct is to maybe pet it or feed it,

529
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: where other instincts would be to grab it and tear

530
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: it's neck out and eat it a predator.

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Speaker 3: And when they saw this little girl.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine all the glances the two of them

533
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: exchanged with each other. They knew what they were going

534
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: to do as they walked to that bridge, as they

535
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: forced her to go under the bridge. At any point

536
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: they could have stopped Lynn, but they didn't. They went

537
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: so far as to tie her up, strip her under

538
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: that bridge, I believe, rape her, and then strangle her,

539
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 2: most likely manually with their own hands, and then to

540
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: top it off, throw her into the water like she's

541
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: trash land Nancy.

542
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Speaker 11: Doctor Bethany hit the nail on the head the way

543
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 11: she described the mindset.

544
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Speaker 10: We work with law enforcement.

545
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 11: These criminal members of this gang from Venezuela, it's called

546
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 11: trendy Arragua. They have no regard for life at all.

547
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 11: I don't even want to compare them to animals.

548
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 10: That is too kind. I don't want to put that

549
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 10: on animals.

550
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: They will.

551
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 11: They have no regard for girls and women in particular.

552
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 11: They take what they want. I don't even know if

553
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 11: they planned this. They just saw her. She's a slight

554
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 11: little girl. They may have asked her directions I read,

555
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 11: and she said, okay, I'll show you this way. They

556
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 11: lured her somehow, and they just had the opportunity. I

557
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 11: want to repeat, these people are not here legally. They

558
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 11: have we work extensively with law enforcement. They have no

559
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 11: regard for women and girls. They think that they are

560
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 11: just property. They're to be raped, robbed, beaten. And I'm

561
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 11: not understanding why all this is allowed allowed to go on.

562
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 11: We know all this, we know what is going on.

563
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 11: These are called also ghost criminals. They may come and

564
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 11: have an ankle monitor, they're cutting them off. Nobody's following

565
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 11: up and doing further vetting, and they're disappearing over our country.

566
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Speaker 11: And I guarantee you, I guarantee you. This is my opinion.

567
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 11: They have done this before. They have raped and robbed

568
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 11: women before, and perhaps even murdered.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh. Yes, Michael Vanna is joining US.

570
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Speaker 2: Former Houston Police homicide detective now PI owner of y

571
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Speaker 2: TOO Investigations.

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Speaker 3: Michael, this is not their first crime.

573
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Speaker 2: And I don't mean stealing a car or joey riding,

574
00:33:55,560 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: or a theft by shoplifting or smoking a joint. No, no, no,

575
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: there's a big link between any of those crimes and

576
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 2: kidnapping a little girl, forcing her under that bridge, raping

577
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: and murdering her. Oh no, no, no, no, this is

578
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: by far not their first violent crime.

579
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Speaker 12: Nancy. I don't think I think you're going to find

580
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 12: in the investigation that they probably have a DNA link

581
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 12: to other crimes here in the Houston area or around

582
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 12: the country. Who knows, But let me tell you this, Nancy.

583
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 12: I know Houston Police Chief Saturn White personally, I know

584
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 12: the lead homicide investigator personally. These two men are bloodhounds,

585
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 12: and with their experience, they're not going to let this

586
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 12: case go away. They're gonna even though they've been arrested

587
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 12: in charge, the investigation is just beginning. They have to

588
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 12: go and confirm and reconfirm every bit of information that

589
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 12: they've followed on that digital trail, on the eyewitnesses, on

590
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 12: the medical examiners report. They have to completely completely put

591
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 12: a case together to make sure these are almost do

592
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 12: not get out absolutely, and they're going to do that.

593
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

594
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Speaker 2: In the last days, in the case of a twelve

595
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: year old beautiful little girl, Joscelyn Nungary, raped and murdered,

596
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: the Harris County District Attorney announces she will seek the

597
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: death penalty against the men accused of killing little Joscelyn.

598
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: It's time for the state to prepare a trial. What

599
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 2: happened to little Joscelyn?

600
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 3: Listen?

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00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 9: Investigators determine the two men lure her into going under

602
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 9: the bridge on West Rankin Road. Keeping Joscelyn for over

603
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 9: two hours, they take her pants off and tie her up.

604
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 9: Joscelyn dies from strangulation before she is thrown into the bayou,

605
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 9: where her body is found. After throwing the body into

606
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 9: the bayou, Ramos and Martinez are seen walking back toward

607
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 9: the apartment they share. Believe the pair live in the

608
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 9: same apartment complex as Jocelyn. Nungery.

609
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: Just strolling back. They're on video, just strolling back. It

610
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 2: reminds me of the guy that murdered Rachel Morin. According

611
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: to the DNA found on her body, he attacked a

612
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 2: nine year old little girl in LA before he murdered

613
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: Rachel in bel Air, Maryland, based on DNA, and he

614
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: didn't even run from the scene. He's caught on a

615
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: door cam in LA. He just walks out without a

616
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: shirt on and just walks away like.

617
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Speaker 3: Hey, you know that was nothing, no big deal.

618
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't think you're getting

619
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: my question. The way they threw away the little girl

620
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: like she was a chewing gum wrapper. Just throw her

621
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: away after that, just throw her body, half stripped, tied up, strangled,

622
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: Just throw her in the water, and now we know,

623
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: casually walk off. I'm telling you, this is no more than.

624
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 3: They have going to the movie and having dinner. That

625
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 3: was it.

626
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 2: This was nothing to them, and they casually stroll back

627
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: to their apartment.

628
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Speaker 3: They don't even run nothing.

629
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Speaker 10: No, no, no.

630
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Speaker 5: Several things about this story bothered me so much. This

631
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 5: little girl, Joscelyn, grew up with a mother and in

632
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 5: the society in the neighborhood where she was taught that

633
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 5: the world is a safe place. Unlike Venezuela, unlike Haiti,

634
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 5: where the two missionary kids, David and Natalie were just

635
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 5: murdered by gang violence. There are certain societies Nancy where

636
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 5: homicide is socially sanctioned, where it's rampant, where people do

637
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 5: feel that this is what society has come to. And

638
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: when those societies infiltrate our society, our kids, who believe

639
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 5: that the world is a safe place continue doing what

640
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: they normally do, not realizing that there are predators around

641
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 5: them and then the other thing that's strolling back to

642
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 5: their apartment, Nancy, And that means that they were looking

643
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 5: into the eyes and into the face of a twelve

644
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 5: year old little girl, watching her struggle, taking delight, taking pleasure.

645
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 5: I mean, if you really just soak that in, who

646
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 5: does that to a twelve year old who rapes a

647
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 5: twelve year old who may not even know about sex yet.

648
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 5: I mean the intrusion into this little girl of the

649
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 5: most horrifying, unimaginable circumstances for which she was completely unprepared

650
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: and not even knowing what to do. And Nancy, Yeah,

651
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 5: they just tossed her into the river. It is beyond

652
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 5: disregard for human life. It's sadism, it's thrill, it's hatred.

653
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,919
Speaker 5: It's wanting to undermine the youth and beauty of such

654
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 5: a beautiful member of our society. It's really horrible.

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00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: When I first started prosecuting violent crimes, the judge would

656
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Speaker 2: instruck a jury if the evidence supported it on flight,

657
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: as in disha of guilt. Now, in most jurisdictions, the

658
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: judge doesn't instruct a jury that flight can be used

659
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: as an indication of guilt, but the prosecutor can still

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Speaker 2: argue it.

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Speaker 3: And in this case, you want to tell me they

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Speaker 3: didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: Because when HPD Houston PD shows up at the apartment

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Speaker 2: complex where these two illegals live, and they get a bullhorn,

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Speaker 2: a loud speaker and they order the men to.

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Speaker 3: Come out, what do they do?

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Speaker 2: One of the guys tries to jump off a balcony

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Speaker 2: for a m but wisely, Houston PD and this detective

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Speaker 2: is really something else.

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Speaker 3: It's Stephen Hope guy.

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Speaker 2: They have the whole place surrounded there you go jumping

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Speaker 2: off a balcony to Crawley Bill joining US investigative reporter

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Speaker 2: kPr C too, they're any Houston really? I mean, if

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Speaker 2: a cop knocks on your door, do you try to

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Speaker 2: run out the back.

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Speaker 3: And jump off a balcony? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 8: And it was really interesting because we were out there

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Speaker 8: that morning. We didn't see that time of the rest

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Speaker 8: just afterwards when they were placed in handcuffs. But a

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Speaker 8: lot of the neighbors out there told me that they

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Speaker 8: didn't really interact with those men too much. They'd only

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Speaker 8: lived at that apartment complex for maybe a month two months.

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Speaker 8: I think the only time they really saw them out

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Speaker 8: was a barbecue that happened a couple weeks prior, but

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Speaker 8: they didn't have many details about you know, what those

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Speaker 8: men were like or if they seemed suspicious at all.

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Speaker 8: So definitely concerning if they're trying to run from police.

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Speaker 14: They took away my first born. A mom pleads for

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Speaker 14: killers to be brought to justice after her twelve year

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Speaker 14: old daughter's slaying.

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Speaker 2: Now we know the two men that have been arrested

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Speaker 2: in the rape and murder of a twelve year old

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Speaker 2: little Houston girl, Jocelyn secretly and nefariously came into our

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Speaker 2: country to.

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Speaker 3: Do nothing but rek have it.

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Speaker 2: They were not here, according to the Statue of Liberty,

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Speaker 2: seeking a new life. They came here to continue a

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Speaker 2: life of violent crime. And it's not the first time

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Speaker 2: does the name Lacan Riley ring a bell? Because I'll

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Speaker 2: never forget the name. Listen and appens.

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Speaker 9: Georgia nursing student Lake and Riley is late returning from

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Speaker 9: a jog at the University of Georgia campus and a

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Speaker 9: roommate becomes concerned surging in the area she would jog.

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Speaker 9: Her body is found in a Coney Forest park near

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Speaker 9: Lake Herrick. Riley's body is found covered in brush and

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Speaker 9: she's been killed by blood forced trauma, and asphyxiation. A

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Speaker 9: sketch of a possible person of interest leads investigators to

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Speaker 9: Jose Antonio Dibara. Ibarra is from Venezuela, entered the USA

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Speaker 9: illegally with a fake wife, was sent to New York,

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Speaker 9: left his fake wife, and ended up in Athens, Georgia

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Speaker 9: with his brother. Ibara now facing murder charges in the

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Speaker 9: killing of Lincoln Riley.

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Speaker 3: His fake wife. And what about Elizabeth Medina.

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Speaker 9: When high school cheerleader Lizabeth Medina doesn't join her team

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Speaker 9: for the Christmas parade, her mother races home to see why.

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Speaker 9: In the bathroom, Jackala Medina finds her daughter in the bathtub, dead,

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Speaker 9: stabbed to death. Police tracks suspicious activity on Lizabeth's missing

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Speaker 9: cell phone, leading them to Rafael Govea Romero twenty three,

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Speaker 9: illegally in the United States of America from Mexico. Investigators

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Speaker 9: determined he's been stalking Lizabeth Medina and was on probation

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Speaker 9: at the time of her murder, and.

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Speaker 2: Then he stabs her dead And mommy has to find

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Speaker 2: her daughter dead in the bathtub when she's supposed to

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Speaker 2: be in a Christmas parade that's how she found out.

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Speaker 2: Mommy races for more to see her daughter in the parade,

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Speaker 2: not wanting to miss a thing, and the daughter's not there,

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Speaker 2: so she races home to find her daughter dead. When

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Speaker 2: will it end? I can't control what Congress is doing,

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Speaker 2: you know. That's like yelling out the window on Third Avenue.

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Speaker 2: But what I can do is ask for help in

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Speaker 2: this case, to make sure these two are convicted. Seven

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Speaker 2: one three three zero eight three six hundred repeat seven

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Speaker 2: one three three zero eight three six hundred. Help us

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Speaker 2: build this case.

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Speaker 3: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,