WEBVTT - 5 | Mick’s Tape 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.760 The Red Weather is a work of fiction. Any resemblance 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.360 to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation of real, 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.959 publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. The content 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.640 of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.520 LLC and does not reflect the views of responsibilities of 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:21.840 iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on The Red Weather in 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.000 nineteen ninety five, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:25.560 a commune. 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:26.439 They looked at Mick. 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:28.400 He had somebody with him every step of the way, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.520 and we know he was with you for the rest 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:31.000 of the night. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.400 She full won't changed his story. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:34.040 Suddenly she's dating Mick. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.000 Oh so they dated for real though? 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:36.279 Yeah? 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:37.440 Six months. 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.920 Registered Harjenna on November eighteen, nineteen ninety five. So she 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:45.040 had a new car within two weeks. Yeah. But it's 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.320 not until this interview, which is her third one, that 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.440 she says that she was with Mick Boten. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:51.400 Correct. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:52.599 Let's talk about Moldinata. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.400 You want to talk about how this guy can look 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:56.080 the other way when it comes to Mick. You got 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.480 to talk about his campaign the next year. Who paid 0:00:58.520 --> 0:00:59.120 for that shit? 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:00.000 I knew about him? 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:10.840 A mixtape, A Haunted tape. 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.280 It was many and many a year ago in a 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:16.520 kingdom by the sea. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.600 This is Anna Traynor's voice, which I hadn't heard in 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:30.240 thirty years. It's the infamous Haunted tape. It turns out 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.199 it's a mixtape that Anna made in nineteen ninety five. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:38.360 So there's music, of course, songs like Sour Times by Portoishead, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:42.360 songs she must have loved or felt compelled to share, 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.320 but also, like a lot of us did back then, 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.280 Anna recorded herself talking, and mostly she sounds like a 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.520 teenager intents. At times, like when she reads ed Garland Poe, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:55.720 I was. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.200 A child and she was a child in this kingdom 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.920 by the sea. But we loved with a love that 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.560 was more than love. I and my Annabelle Lee, with 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.480 a love that the winged serifs of heaven coveted her 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:10.040 and me. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.520 Other times she's completely irreverent, like when she records herself 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.280 going through a drive through at McDonald's. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:22.200 Yeah number two, no pickles, but a coke two cops. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:28.040 Please, no, no, no, m. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:34.840 It is so good. No no. Never mind that she 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.600 would drinks like a glass or wood or like not 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.919 even like a glasshoul drink like a bottle of wine 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.679 like every night, which is poison every day. Oh but 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:50.080 god forbid, I have a fucking Coca Cola. Well you 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.720 know what, Lany, this sons for you. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.440 I'm gonna have to choco a little latte. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.320 Wait one to chalk a little latte, talk a little 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:05.240 l that's you. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.160 I have no idea what's going on here? Some kind 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:08.720 of in joke. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:10.720 Wait that look on the lady's face. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:13.520 I can believe you said that. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.400 I can understand why the rumors started that this was 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.639 a voice from beyond the grave. There are moments that 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:25.360 feel eerie, especially not knowing what happened to her, Lucky, 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:32.000 I really do you. It felt like a window cracked 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.680 through time, a direct connection. I thought for sure it 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.240 would open up a whole new line of investigation, but 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:45.200 actually it had the opposite effect. I am actor and filmmaker, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:04:41.120 right or strong? This is the red weather last week 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.520 had changed the way I was thinking about Anna's disappearance. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.080 I was talking with Sheriff Maldonado, the lead investigator from 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.080 nineteen ninety five, and starting to wonder why he chose 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.920 to focus on some suspects and ignore others. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.640 I know he got Crechateu story got Maldo to look 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:57.159 the other way. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.680 And I had sat down with Sparks, an old acquaintance 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:04.279 who was convinced, convinced that Maldonado and the Sheriff's department 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.440 were thoroughly corrupt. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.640 Isn't it a little bit weird that they obsess over 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.200 hippies in the woods and not the obvious boyfriend who 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.200 was all pissed because their girls sleeping around. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:14.720 I kind of agreed. I got in the vibe that 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:18.080 Tender Hearts was a boogeyman for Maldonado. But why would 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.200 they wanted to not be Mick? Well, one reason might 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:26.880 be Mick's family. His dad, Thomas Boden, was an early 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:31.320 Microsoft investor back in the pre dot com boom. Mick 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.479 grew up on a big house with its own vineyard. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.200 My brother remembers. 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.599 It, and it kind of stuck out like in the field. Yeah, 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:42.520 it was like open vineyards and then it's just this 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.680 big yeah like PLoP down. Yes, Well it's like that 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:51.040 faux like Italian Tuscan wannabe vibe. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:51.120 You know. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.920 So it's like just a huge it's a mansion, big 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.640 mansion house, but it's trying to like be like classy 0:05:58.720 --> 0:05:59.480 at the same. 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:04.160 Time rich perfect football play. And yeah, stud, you. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:08.120 Know Mick was rich on track. He already had early 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.360 acceptance to Stanford. In other words, Mike and his family 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.400 were good, upstanding folks, while Anna and the Tender Hearts 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:20.120 was a sleazy, creepy commune. But in real terms, Sparks 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.320 was sure that Mick's family had actually contributed to Maldonado's 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.640 campaign for County sheriff the next year. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:31.040 Daddy promises Samullah. They half asked their investigation goes. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.719 Away journalism one all one, follow the money. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.840 That's Monica Tremblaine, the reporter who covered the case. So 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.040 when I was in there with the evidence, Maldonado did 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.320 this weird thing. I told her that Maldonado helped me 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.120 sneak photos at the Sheriff's department, which felt to me 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.040 like a sign of his corruptibility. No, I wouldn't read 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.640 too much into that. I mean, I have sources all 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.760 the time, back channel sources. So yeah, I guess you're right. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.480 It's not like this one little move means that he's 0:06:58.520 --> 0:06:59.359 a crooked cop. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:06.000 I mean, but helping you, helping a lad, that's what 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.840 you want, right, Like, how do you think we got 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.760 the Pentagon papers Watergate? 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.320 I mean, as a journalist, that's the goal. I'm hardly 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.600 a journalist. What are you waiting for information? She said 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.280 she would look into the campaign contributions. All right, Well, really, 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:21.920 what we need to do is get a hold of Mike. 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.559 I had been trying to reach Mick from the moment 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.880 I started this podcast to no avail. I tried every 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:35.840 number I could find. Hi, is this luke No? I 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.000 even tried to track him down through his brother, who 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.320 had been a friend of mine for a brief moment 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.080 in second and third grade. Okay, sorry about that. Thanks, 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:48.760 And since our first sit down, Sparks was Mia, the 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:53.320 mailbox is full and cannot accept any messages at this time. Goodbye, 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.560 which was worrisome. If I was going to use any 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.559 of his information, I would need him. He's not getting 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.520 back to me either. My buddy Chris was the one 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.840 who connected me to Sparks in the first place. Well, 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.880 it's just shitty because he said so many things, and 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:08.960 you know, I can try and confirm this stuff, but 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.640 if I can't find him, I can't. It makes you 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:16.440 look bad. Monica had actually interviewed in the nineties. She 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.920 never went on record, but Monica still had her contact info. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.640 Hey did you know she's a grandmother? Now what this 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.200 idea rocked my world? Yeah? I guess if she had 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.760 a kid when she was twenty or something. Oh, come out, writer, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:31.600 it's not that crazy. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:32.920 A lot of people have kids young. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.760 The main feeling that this gave me was embarrassment. Here 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.960 I am running around with a microphone and trying to 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.920 call her about her teenage boyfriend, and she's a grandmother. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.000 Her life had moved on in every way. Well, if 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:50.680 not me, then will she talk to you? 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:53.640 I don't think so. On record. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.200 After my experience with Malton Otto and Thomas Greer, the 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.480 Sheriff's Department liaison, I was feeling more common with the 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.959 idea of reciprocity of making deals. Can you do me 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.040 a favor? Could you send her something and then ask 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:10.240 her again if she might talk to me. I was 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.400 talking about a copy of the transcript I had smuggled 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.920 out of the Violent Crimes Investigative Unit. I'd noticed something 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.320 from Mick's first conversation with Maldonado. And then this is 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:21.560 you asking about here? 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:22.880 Yeah? 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:29.920 Yeah, harsh I sent Monica a screenshot that I'd collected 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.040 with Maldonado's phone. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.320 Oh naw, yeah right. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.000 In their first interview, Maldonado wanted to know why Mick 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.000 was getting paged by Anna, and yet he spent the 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.640 night with you, and here's what he said. Maldonado asks, 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.440 so what about why are you showing up at her 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:52.600 place so late? Mick says, likes me. Maldonado asks, she's 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:59.360 your girlfriend, Mick. No, no, Maldonado says, so what a hookup? 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:06.880 She's Mick? Not even Maldonado says, not hot, Mick. She's there? 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:10.760 All right? Is there a guy like you? Has a 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:15.320 lot of these? I do all right? You score, I 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.400 do all right? This was a Mick that I. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.120 Remembered, and maybe if she knew what Mick had said 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:25.240 to the cops might change her mind about talking to me. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.320 You know, right, you're better at this than you think. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.480 Two days later, Monica called me back, she's gonna talk 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:33.600 to me. No, she's not gonna talk to you. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:37.160 But you know, Mick left something in her car years ago, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:38.160 and that was. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:43.480 How I got the mixtape. Monica didn't have a tape player, 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:47.160 but my parents did. In their garage. The day the 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.280 tape arrived, Monica had a trial she was covering, so 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:52.319 I met her in the parking lot outside the courthouse. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.839 Believe it or not, this was our first time meeting 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.600 in person. Up until now, everything had been over zoom 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:06.600 on the phone. All right, finally zoom. Sorry I do 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.720 not have a tape player. Yeah no, yeah, would you? 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.240 I just my parents never threw anything away. 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:11.880 Yeah. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:13.960 Look, I'm down to hear this, So give me an 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.120 update on this tape the second that you listen to 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:17.240 it will yeah, you never. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.640 How to digitize it or whatever, and then I'll send 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:23.400 you topics. What's uh? What's this? I meant the trial 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.480 that's now murder? Oh really yep? Drugs death death drug 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:28.920 you know, doesn't get out. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.360 Okay, gotta get back. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:33.760 Recess is probably over. 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.120 Talk soon yeah yeah, okayay. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.520 Thanks, thank you. I watched her hurry into the courthouse. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.680 It was really hard for me to imagine her job 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.760 covering multiple cases, the crime beat in general. I was 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:51.400 only looking into one case, and I was overwhelmed. I 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.719 got home, dusted off my parents' old tape player, and 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.880 got it working. Anna's mix is one hundred and twenty 0:11:57.920 --> 0:11:59.439 minutes and it's. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.120 Full okay, but you have to listen to the whole thing. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:03.880 You can't fast forward it. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:12.520 Take The first song was Nick Cave's Red Right Hand, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.960 which launches Anna into a rant about society. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.600 I think you just like need it to be true 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.640 that like you like me and that I like you. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.560 But it's not okay. It like isn't okay for society. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.280 That's what I'm saying, So I say, fuck society. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.559 Then there's the really unnerving presence of Concrete Lawns Tomorrow 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:46.840 Wendy with it's chorus. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.840 And now for your listening pleasure, some more chick music. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.120 Saints by the Breeders was a song I didn't know. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:13:00.559 It definitely has a manic nineties energy. What she was 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.400 saying didn't make sense, but one thing was clear. It 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:06.240 put Mick front and center again. 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:12.679 You're may sailor you're my relife, Nicky, because you are 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.000 so cool. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.160 I sent Monica a digital copy that I made by 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.280 running the line to my laptop. I was excited. It 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.559 felt like real progress. There was no way the Sheriff's 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.360 department wouldn't revisit Mick as a suspect now. But then 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.240 I mentioned sharing it with them to Monica. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.480 Wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.040 I would not do that, not yet. What really, why writer, 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:36.640 you got. 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.480 A source telling you they buried this case. They're corrupt, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:40.679 they took bribes. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.120 Okay, well that's Maldonado maybe, but Lachlan, like. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.640 They're gonna ask you where you got the tape. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.560 Look, don't mention my name. Why not. 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.600 I've earned your trust. I gave you the tape because 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.440 she told me that was all right. She chose not 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.800 to turn it into the cops for thirty years. 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:01.719 But they told me that if there's new evidence that 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.720 could they could open up the case. You believe them, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.120 you want that? Well maybe? 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:08.480 Yeah. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:10.960 The greer, the guy, the liaison that they put me, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.600 he loves me. He's like he's actually ridiculously he's a fan. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.760 Oh wow, Okay, look, don't fall for that. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.760 Okay, these are not your friends. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:27.160 Every cop, every team, law enforcement team that I have 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.800 worked with, given a choice between something that makes them 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:31.160 look bad and the truth. 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.320 They never choose the truth. The more I thought about it, 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.880 I didn't feel right not sharing evidence, so I didn't 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:52.200 heed her advice. I wish I had the day I 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.640 got Anna's tape, I listened to it three times all 0:14:54.680 --> 0:15:01.320 the way through. There was this girl, You'll Be a 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:05.800 Woman Soon, which was from the pulp fiction soundtrack Pearl 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:09.800 Jam's Daughter. There was some of the hip hop that 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.360 everyone listened to in Sebastopol at the time Diggable Planets 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:18.200 tribe called Quest. The one that really brought me back 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.520 personally was a song by Annie DiFranco out of Range. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:27.600 The second that opening riff started, a memory rushed in Willow, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.120 cranking the song up while we drove around, bouncing and 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.120 thrashing in her seat the way that only teenagers can do. 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.920 Willow must have been introduced to Anno DiFranco by her sister. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:41.720 Some of the most interesting parts of the mix are 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.280 when Anna included movie clips. I remember doing this too. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.800 The audio is terrible. She must have been holding her 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:57.400 recorder right up to the TV world Clown's stupid Jetty. 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.680 Day And for me, it's a civil mind. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:11.560 Individuality in malawis the personal freedom. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:13.800 Asshole that's from Wild at Heart. And this, of course 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.760 I Keebo's singing from My Day. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:17.560 He and they had to fit it. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:19.920 Since Kim was ten years old and the name came 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:20.800 in alongside of. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.760 The trays so called, which I recognized from bad Lands, 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.920 one of my favorite movies. All in all, Anna had 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:32.480 good taste, and apparently Nick did not. On this tape. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:37.040 There will be no Billy Joel, Fuck the Eagles, Fuck 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.600 Hotel California, Fuck your dad's music. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.840 This is how she talks to him a lot, taunting him, 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:43.720 teasing him. 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:45.040 Is this torture? 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:46.320 What does it hurt? 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.040 Does it make you want to cut your ear off? 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.040 And if you caught that? That's the first of many 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:52.880 Vincent van goh references. 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.040 Get used to it because I'm picking all the music 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.240 in Operation van go I'm gonna make you camp. You're 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:00.920 gonna hate it. 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.160 She even reads from a book at one point. It's 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:04.200 an encyclopedia. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:04.680 I guess. 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.880 Vincent van Gogh was a Dutch painter whose vivid colors 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.560 and expressive fresh work blah blah blah blah, love okay here. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.320 Van go suffered from severe emotional and psychological problems and 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.119 died in France the age of thirty seven. Thirty seven, 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.080 severe emotional and psychological problems. That's what happens when you 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.919 let society tell you how to feel, which, by the 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.880 way you do it, you do it all the time 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:32.879 because you're scared. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.400 All in all, it sounds like she and Mick had 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:36.840 a pretty strange dynamic. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:38.080 Everyone. 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:39.119 Thanks, you're the man, but. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.159 I need you. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.400 And here's why. 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.520 And this is really fucked up about you and your brain. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.119 You like it when I mean to you. 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.560 There's no way the Sheriff's department wouldn't find this helpful. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:15.000 I called my liaison, Thomas Greer, mister Hunter. Yeah, also 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.919 seemingly could only think of me as the guy from 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.119 Boy Meets World. Dunt, dunt, dun. Do you remember that 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.159 Halloween episode which was better than Lachlan who had openly 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.080 dismissed me as an actor? With a podcast like a 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:32.760 cassette mm hmm old school, Yeah, it's it's got songs 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.600 and then she has movie clips, but she also talks 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.120 a lot to Mick. I was surprised, though, by Greer's 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:40.760 reaction to the tape. And how do you know it's 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.080 from the real girl, the Hannah? Yeah? Well, I mean 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.720 I don't know for sure, but yeah it's her. I 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:51.000 mean it's and who gave it to you? I'd rather 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.160 if can I keep that confidential? You know it's your 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:00.440 tape you called me, But it does doesn't mean that 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.280 much unless it's real. No, it's definitely, I mean it's 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.439 it's a direct source. I thought he would have been 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:06.000 more excited. 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:10.440 All right, well, uh, why don't you bring it over 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.200 and we'll give it a listen. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:21.240 Hi, this is for Thomas Queer. Yeah, I can take that. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.960 The next morning, I dropped the tape off and Greer 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.399 didn't even come out to get it. I left it 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.119 at the front desk and I met Monica for lunch. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.000 We met at the Pine Cone Diner and went over 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.560 the tear answer right, I mean, yeah, I don't. It's 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:42.880 not like I remember her voice perfectly, but it totally fits, 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.720 even though I have no idea what she's talking about 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.320 half the time, more like all his van. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.000 Go stuff this idea, Yeah, I have no idea. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.000 The fact that Anna had made this tape for Mick 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.399 and that he'd never brought it forward was not a 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.320 good look for him. But then I have to be 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.760 careful because I went into doing this podcast with a 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.400 chip on my shoulder. Nick Bowden, going all the way 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.199 back to when we were kids, was I don't know 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.720 how to put this delicately not my favorite person. He 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.159 was arrogant, condescending. I was friends with his brother for 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.280 a little bit, and I remember going over to the 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.560 house and Mick would torture us, lock us in a room. 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.080 He was just a dick. Yeah, I just remember him 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.840 just always, yeah, just being a dickhead. Chris in particular, 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.720 was picked on relentlessly by Mick and his friends. Chris 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.400 was a goofy, funny kid with a slightly off sense 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.680 of humor, exactly the kind of kid someone like Mick 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:39.320 would target. He'd strut around everywhere he went, anywhere he 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.560 went like he owned the place, which maybe served him well. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:47.359 Christmas came early for Monster Clicks this week, when the 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.080 new startup was acquired by Pullman Hendrix in a deal 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.200 reportedly in the three to five. Mick did the smart 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.400 Northern California thing and moved into tech out of Stanford. 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.119 He was part of that first dot com boom. He 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:00.800 sold an ad integration company in two two thousand and two, 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.600 and apparently that sold to a bigger company, which sold 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.960 to a bigger company, and on and on. Do you 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.720 have any idea how much he's worried? It's a lot 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.520 I mean this one. He just invests. He does very 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.439 well with his investment firm, Jaylight. You know he started 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:21.880 off rich, Yeah, it must be nice, and you said 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.320 that is if you were in a different situation. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.080 I was really. 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:35.280 Yeah, my dad was a firefighter, my mom like Tom 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:38.680 class at the JC, and you were on TV as well, 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:44.240 so working Okay. This was one of the first times 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.440 I got a sense of how good Monica is at 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:51.359 her job. She was comfortable with conflict and not in 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.120 an aggressive way. She would just let a moment sit there. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.640 I was just confused because she said must be nice, 0:21:57.720 --> 0:21:59.800 like you wouldn't make We're in totally different world. 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:09.920 Well, I I grew up in Oakland, so Bronse Park. Yeah, 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:14.000 that's that is different. We had spent the last few 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:18.680 weeks talking obsessively about my childhood and my friends, and 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.040 yet I didn't even know if Monica was married or 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:28.480 had kids. Before I could ask, she moved right on, yeah, mixed. 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:33.040 Dad he died. But I do still think it might 0:22:33.040 --> 0:22:37.679 be worth checking out those contributions for right okay right 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.520 the ninety six campaign, she was pounding on her phone. 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.480 It looked like she was writing four different stories at once, 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.880 so I'm gonna go to the registrar in person because 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:49.040 there's nothing digital, and if that does not work, check 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.359 with the FPPC. She sucks glove. 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.720 Legally they're supposed to respond in ten days, but you 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:56.720 you see, all it works. 0:22:56.760 --> 0:23:01.000 So okay. 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:05.800 I paid the bill with sparks off the grid, the 0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:08.720 tape with the Sheriff's department, and having interviewed most of 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.320 my family and friends already, I started to feel like 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:15.800 I should probably head home. How's Indie? I called my wife, Alex. 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:17.399 Oh, he he's. 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.919 Okay, you know, already crying about having to do the 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:25.000