WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Talking Center With A.Q. Shipley 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.440 Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles. Oh ahead, 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:10.360 he got jacked. This is the Big Red Rain presented 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.520 by satan Ford in Gilbert. Harry's Gonna score touchdown Slim 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.360 to the ground by Buddha Baker Like a torpedo. He 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:22.880 came flying into the backfield. The Rage is brought to 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:28.920 you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Satanford? State Farm? 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.840 Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm, 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:37.720 And by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts visit acy Cardinals dot Com, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:46.600 Slash Podcasts, The Rods Rising ar Temperaturizing Vision, Flurring Rage, 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:50.320 take it over. Here's Paul Calvc. I'm ready. I'm one 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:54.040 hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready. And Ron Wilflee. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.720 It doesn't get any better than that. Unleash the far. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:06.640 The weather is changing, is it not? Football weather is coming? 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.480 Tick talk? I mean we're talking from the big heat 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:14.240 to haboobs to blowing mud and monsoons now and then 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:19.440 boom before you know it, link of boltal lightning. It's 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.800 gonna be football season. And that's why we're here fifty 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:24.759 two weeks a year. Are we not on the Big 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.680 Red Rage? Presentibus santan Ford in Gilbert. We are santan 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.560 Ford Paul CALVC and an upgrade, a big upgrade on 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.240 the Big Red Rage. Especially he's not here to defend himself. No, 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.880 Ron Wolfleyho's on his summer sabbatical. Instead, we are pleased 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.559 to welcome Rob Frederickson, former cardinal and former first round 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.160 pick to the Big Red Rage. Rob, how you doing? 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.920 And did just survive the low visibility driving in? How 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.400 can I be anything other than fantastic? I get the 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.560 co host the Big Red Rage with polypig skin and 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.080 I'm good ball. Yeah, good thing. The light detector is 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.760 not so for your own sake over there, So man, 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.320 this gonna be a good one. We got a Q 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.160 Shipley coming. M So you say you might have a 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.440 question mark at center? Who better to ask than Rodney 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.400 Hudson himself? You know what? How about a Q Shipley, 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:15.320 the long time center, former cardinal recently retired back in 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.519 the a Z I believe and AQ was going to 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.040 join us in a little while here on this edition 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.400 the Big Red Ragent speaking a little visibility Rob, I mean, 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:26.639 think about it. I've been half joking all week, last 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.040 couple of weeks that HBO Hard Knocks might have picked 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.760 the wrong half of the season the feature. If you're 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.440 looking for true reality TV and you're looking for drama 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.880 and storylines, I mean you want little visibility. How about 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.720 when the Cardinals report to camp, do we have any 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:46.800 clarity on the Kyler contract situation, the center and Rodney Hudson? 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.960 How about cornerback after the tragic death of Jeff Gladney 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.840 edge rusher? How the Cardinals set there? Not middle linebacker 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.040 Xavin Collins? I mean, no DAP for the first six games? 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.600 Rob Where are you starting? How many question marks are 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.680 out there? I mean, where does your attention go to? 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.120 Off the top? Yeah, certainly a lot of storylines this 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.520 offseason for the Arizona Cardinals. Pauli and you talk about visibility, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.239 The biggest cloud, the biggest haboob out there right now 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.200 for me is really still the Kyler Murray situation and 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:24.280 then on top of that, recently the Rodney Hudson situation. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.320 So for me, those are the two biggest things kind 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:31.520 of hanging over this team. Obviously, you got DeAndre Hopkins 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.720 out for six games. That's going to be an issue. 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.080 What's the offense going to look like? The first six 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.000 games of the season. What's it gonna look like when 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.840 he comes back? And you mentioned the question Mark said 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.280 on defense, just the edge rush, So somebody, somebody out 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.400 there opposite of Marcus Golden who's going to provide that 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.000 that consistent pass rush. And what are the inside linebackers. 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.120 I'll put Isaiah Simmons in there too, with Zavan Collins. 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.440 How are those two gonna look when they fully have 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:01.840 the reins this year for the Arizona Cardinals defense. Yeah, 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.640 we'll get in depth in the linebacker question, especially since 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.280 you know this that front seven is an area of 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.960 expertise for you, So we'll get into that a little 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.120 bit later. Do you expect a Kime time sign? What 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.600 do you think at this point? Do you think at 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.360 one of those positions you just listed there is a 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.560 need to bring in a proven veteran and there's going 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.640 to be someone, especially now at ten million dollars in 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.919 available cap space, supposedly after Jordan Phillips the June first 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.400 that kicked in. So do you think Steve Kime goes 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.039 into action. I think he's always looking, He's always looking 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:37.920 to improve the roster. I've always said that you can 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.320 never have enough offensive tackles, you can never have enough 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:44.560 defensive cornerbacks. And those are two positions I think where 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.520 especially at cornerback, I think the Arizona Cardinals are always 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.600 looking to upgrade and to bring in additional bodies just 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.520 to the roster. But I wouldn't be surprised, Polly, and 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.560 we can get into this later in the future segment, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.919 but I wouldn't be supplies surprised if we'd bring in 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.400 some help in the interior defensive tackle position that really, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.800 really to help out those inside linebackers. Yeah. I told 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.039 Kyle Vannibosh on the Red Sea Report this week, you 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.960 know what, it's you. It's your job right now, big guy, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.360 your former teammate and Dominic and Sue with Detroit. You 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.400 got to make that call. You got to make that happen. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.599 Get him in here on a one year deal and 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.839 Dominic and Sue a defensive tackle. I think everybody would 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.760 welcome that. But you wonder, is all this being held up, 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:27.960 perhaps potentially a kime time sign of any sort, until 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.719 they nailed down the numbers on a Kyler Murray contract extension, 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.800 Because it has been the off season of Kyler in 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.360 so many ways and Justin Pugh was on the Dave 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.680 Pass podcast recently fact it's the latest Dave Pass podcasting 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.400 and download that where every year podcast. He had some 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.400 great insights on Kyler and you know, including hit zoom 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.560 out what Kyler's just done for the franchise in his 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.520 three years. Kyler's in his third year in the NFL. 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.680 And when I was in New York, Eli Manning was 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.760 not a vocal leader. He was the first one in, 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.520 he was the last one out. He did everything right. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.200 Kyler comes in, he is everything we has them to do. 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.159 I was here four years ago and we didn't have 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.839 Kyler Murray. I remember that team and I've seen a 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.479 lot of quarterbacks come through the store. Justin in twenty 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.040 one years, we had the worst offense and I think 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:16.760 NFL history. So when Kyler got here, a light went 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.800 back on. Irrelevance came back on. We started playing primetime 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.320 games again. We've been in the playoffs, We've been relevant. 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.440 Our family has something to look forward to every year. 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.919 There's something to be said about that. Yeah, Justin pe 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.120 was in line right there in twenty eighteen with Josh 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.479 Rosen and company, Sam Bradford, that offense wasn't just bad, 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.599 it was historically bad. So if you're saying, Okay, you 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.920 can't put a price on relevance and the Cardinals primetime games, etc. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:45.880 This year, Okay, well that's what Team Kyler is trying 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.760 to do. They're trying to put a number to that 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:51.560 sort of relevance. And you gotta wonder exactly when it's 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:53.479 gonna happen. I mean, Rob, it's gonna happen, right, The 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.560 contractor extension is just a matter of when and how much. Oh, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.800 it has to I don't see a scenario where it 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.240 doesn't happen, because that would be apocalypse. Now that that 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.680 certainly would would be devastating to this organization in this season. 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.560 So yeah, yeah, of course, Paul, it's gonna happen. It 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.280 has to happen, and it can happen. There's no reason 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.920 it can't. Um you just look to the West a 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.400 little bit for us, for the at the La Rams 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.520 and what they've done this offseason. If you want to 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.960 get this done, it can It can get done because 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.200 you know, Dan Leloski can put out these lists all 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.200 he wants, like he did earlier this week, Top five quarterbacks, 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.280 twenty five or younger and number one was Joe Burrow. 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.200 Number two was Lamar Jackson. Number three Justin Herbert Okay, 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.800 number four Trevor Lawrence, number five Mac Jones. He did 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.960 not include Kyler Murray. Now, look, maybe if he puts 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.160 Kyler on this list, nobody really pays attention to the 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.520 list because it's kind of predictable. But you can't tell 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.960 me there's one defensive coordinator at there, rob who would 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.480 rather gain plan against Trevor Lawrence or mac Jones versus 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:01.000 Kyler Murray. Yeah, I know that's that's garbage, that's clickbait. Um, Look, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.640 Kyler Murray, there's there's one, maybe two other quarterbacks in 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.400 this league that have the similar skill sets as him, 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.920 and and he's probably the best of those three in 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.760 terms of just a combination of arm strength and armed 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:17.320 talent and the ability to run with the football. So, um, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.320 Kyler is a unique breed and he's he's a rarefied air. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.000 So you know, those guys don't come around every draft 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.360 class every year. They just don't. And if you have one, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.840 you gotta keep them. You don't let franchise quarterbacks. You 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.360 don't let quarterbacks of that talent, even sniff free agency, 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.280 and I don't think the Cardinals won't do that. We're 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.640 just kind of speculating here, but um, it's gonna happen, 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.040 you know. And Kyler certainly is a top top five 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.240 quarterback under twenty five years old. In fact, they also 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.079 put on another list today just the most games with 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.319 sixty five plus percent completion percentage last season. Mac Jones 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:53.160 is actually number one with thirteen. And then in the 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:57.280 second slot, Tom Brady, Joe Barrow, Kyler Murray, Dak Prescott. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.400 But to your point, who's the guy who can maybe 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.439 be the best athlete on the field out of that group? 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.080 So and then there's other analytics to say Kyle Murray 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.280 through the best deep ball, the most accurate deep ball 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.280 last year. Okay, but that still begs a question what 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.960 happened at the end of last year to the Cardinals offense, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.040 including Kyler and zach Ertz. In another moment on the 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.000 day Pash podcast gave his theory as to what plagued 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.520 the offense down the stretch. We were just such a 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.560 better team on first and second down earlier in the 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.120 season than we were at the end of the season, 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.200 and then the season we're freaking facing the second and fifteens, 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.840 third and twelves, and it's just so hard as an 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.920 NFL team to face that consistently and put points on 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.320 the board. And then Rob listen to Justin Pugh, he 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.800 gave his theory to day Pass on the podcast about 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.920 the Cardinals for this second straight year fading down the stretch. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.880 We have to be better in the biggest situations. We 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.520 have to do all the little things right because that 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.600 is what loses you those big games. We were able 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.560 to get by a lot of times last year just 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.880 being more talented than everyone we were on the field with. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.840 When you get late in the season, guys are dinged up, 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.520 you're not as healthy as you want to be. It's 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.520 a little place. It's doing the little things right where 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.720 no one even knows you're supposed to make that block, 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.840 or you're supposed to, you know, make that check. Things 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:08.640 like that. That's what wins those games. And that's where 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.160 we have to get better. And if we don't take 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.360 those steps, it's gonna be the same result. If the 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.120 majority of NFL games are decided by a touchdown or less, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.800 and that is the stat over the last fifteen twenty years, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.680 are you a believer that those little things and lacking 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.199 attention thereof down the stretch can cost you those games. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.280 Those little things are huge, Paul. How many times did 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.920 we sit there and watch and see false start after 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.600 false start and all of a sudden, it's it's second 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.520 and twenty. You know, I think zach Ertz is right. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:44.000 It got into some situations where they're just behind the 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.120 sticks and it's just hard to convert those first downs 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.640 and it's hard to get any momentum going when you're 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.080 going the opposite direction. Yeah, and I think, you know, 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.640 I think those offense became predictable the second half of 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.640 the season. It really did it. Cliff Kingsbury has done 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.080 a great job of in the offseason coming up with 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:06.720 unique plays, unique game plans and really taking this league 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.079 by storm early in the season. But you know, we 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.440 have to I think we have to evolve. We have 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:16.120 to evolve this offense continuously, and you'll put defenses on 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.760 the heels, Whereas I think it was the second half 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.200 of last season and the season before a lot of 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.240 times this offense was on their heels and they were 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.040 they were really taking the body blows. Yeah, and a 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.000 lot of it had to do with the run game 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.680 or lack there up down the stretch, not setting the tone, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.640 the inability to really establish that ground game. You heard 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:37.800 some some comments from players that, you know, the objective 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.600 and focus this year on offense, trying to be you know, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.280 trying to be a little less predictable in terms of 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.440 run or pass. Hence the emphasis on tight ends. Hence 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.040 the second round pick of a Trey McBride who's a 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.360 dual tight end. So you can see maybe how they 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.320 self scouted and some of the adjustments that might be 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.240 coming down the pike. Here as you get in August Day, 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.679 episode thirty two of the Day pash pod cast featuring 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.320 Justin Pugh. Also zach Ertz is up there. It's wherever 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.000 you get your podcast. Get the latest updates via Twitter 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.720 at pashpot a Q Shipley, former Cardinals center over a 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.560 decade in the NFL, you got questions about the quarterback 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.839 of the offensive line of where this might be tracking. Oh, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:19.600 we need answers to make Q next the Big Red 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:26.920 Rage presented by satan Ford in Gilbert under centers, Palmer 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.160 takes hands it off, Ellington straight ahead stood up at 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.199 the one trying to fall forward to get into the 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:36.720 end zone and he starts a touchdown Rodrey Ellington as 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.360 the Cardinals extend there late at thirteen three Rod love 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.360 it eight two Shipley. That was a great job. I 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.000 ate two Shipley at the point of attack. Yeah, Shipley 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:54.319 thrilled the linebacker. That is football. And that is just 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.640 a precursor of our next guest here on the Big 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.719 Red Rage presented by satan Ford in Gilbert. We are 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.480 satan Ford, Paul kelvc or Rob Frederickson in for Ron Wolfley. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.840 And it's a good thing Aq that wolf isn't here, 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.720 because he'd probably cite your brief career as a fullback 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.720 in the NFL and he'd go into his whole fullback 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.000 club stuff and all that malarkey. How are you doing, Aq, 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.320 I'm doing great. Yeah, we'll be talking for hours about 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.200 fullback place. I'm glad we're not doing that. I saw 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.439 recently on a podcast You're still a little sort You 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.839 were wide open on a pass route out of the 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.760 backfield once upon a time and Carson just flat ignored you. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.760 Is that you're still a little raw about that? Yeah? 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.040 I think I'll remind Carson of that until the day 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.040 I'd die. I mean that was I just don't understand 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:36.640 that I was wide open. I don't understand it. I 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.439 still done. All right, here's my first question, Rob, I'll 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.760 go first, my first legitimate question, sort of have you 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.640 been contacted by Steve Kime? Are you still in shape 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:51.440 a Q Shipley with the uncertainty around Rodney Hudson. I 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:55.560 have not. I'm in great shape. I just my days 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.760 are over. My days are over. Paul. I wish, I 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.080 wish I still had something in me, but I don't. Um. Yeah, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.960 it's gonna be an interesting deal. I don't know. I 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.640 don't know what's going over Rodney, but I mean I've 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.319 obviously read a little bit about it, and center is 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.319 a big position, so it'll be interesting to kind of 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:13.839 see the way this whole thing shakes out. Hey, Q, 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.400 I got you know, assuming Rodney Hudson, let's just let's 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.680 just assume the worst. Let's assume that he's not in 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:25.080 the immediate picture. How difficult is it for an offensive lineman, 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:28.400 say a guard, to move over there and play center. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.080 How how difficult of a transition is that, you know, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.800 I imagine going from center to guard it's a little easier, 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.600 But how difficult is it for an offensive lineman who's 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.000 who's really not had a lot of experience playing center 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.480 to make that move. I say this all the time, 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.160 and you know, my little brief career coaching last year, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.480 I sat there and I had these conversations with scouts, 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.080 with other coaches, and you know, it was always kind 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:53.920 of like the running joke of like, you know, I 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:56.160 think people look at it so often like the center's 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.160 uncovered in the four three scheme, and oh, he doesn't 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.400 have to block somebody on every play. So it's like 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.160 anytime in my last you know, a couple of years 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:06.840 where I saw like a coach be like, oh, I 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:08.240 don't know if he can make it as a guard, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.480 maybe we'll trime at center. I'm like, wait, wait, hold on, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.240 Like we think it's gonna be easier to play center. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.680 So you know, it was it was always kind of 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.440 interesting to me because I think it's it's so funny 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.000 to me to sit there and think that it's gonna 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:22.880 be easier when you got one hand between your legs, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.680 you got to make all the all the mental calls, 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.440 you got to get everybody on the right page. Sometimes, 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:29.840 you know, if the quarterbacks got is played full with 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.280 knowing all the pass game stuff. Now you're in charge 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.680 all the run checks, and you know there's so many 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.160 different nuances that the center has to be able to 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.280 help out, not only amongst the offensive line, but amongst 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.400 the whole group. And so you know, it's it's definitely 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.800 a difficult thing. You know, you hope, you hope that 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.000 the guy can make the transition, but it all comes 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.720 down to, you know, just being comfortable and when you've 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.440 never really had your hand between your legs trying to block, 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.400 you know, Vita Veaway in three eighty, right, and you 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.680 know you had to make all the calls beforehand, and this, 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.600 that and the other. I mean, and so if somebody's 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.760 done that, I don't. I don't think it's as easy 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.480 some people may think, well, I think Justin Pue has 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.000 the utmost respect for the position, just based on a 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.960 few of the reps he took in the offseason. Because 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.640 listen to him talking about potentially playing center this year 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.560 on the Day Pass podcast. Justin Peue, I've never played 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.000 center before in my career, but I've seen guys play 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:25.080 center latent to their careers. Center mentally is is so 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.000 much tougher, and in our offense, the center makes a 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.160 lot of the calls. That's why we've prioritized that position 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.800 every offseason. You've seen we had a Q Shipley, then 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.320 Mason Cole that went out and got Rodney Hudson. We 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.040 clearly value that position. So to get some reps at 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:39.760 center and see how that shakes out, it's interesting, it's fun, 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.320 it makes you break a mental sweat. And look, you 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.160 played with Justin Peue. I think we can all agree 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.760 he's an a high IQ guy football and otherwise. So 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.480 I am a little shocked to hear him say that, AQ, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.200 I really am. I mean, a guy who's got a 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.600 decade in the league for him to say it's such 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.400 a mental challenge to play center? What makes it so tough? 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:00.200 You know, it's funny. I got a textual us to 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.040 Rid after Rid, after that mad caamp. You know, whe 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.440 are still really good friends, and you know he was like, hey, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.439 this thing, h was a little harder than maybe I 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:11.119 thought it once, right, So you know, I guess to 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.560 answer that question, right, like, I think the biggest thing 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:18.040 is until you're actually out there with live bullets flying, 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:23.880 with live reps going, and you know, you're out there 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.840 and all of a sudden, they're switching from a two 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.119 they're disguising a two high to a one high, and 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.639 now they're rolling back, rocking down on the weak side, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.560 and you got to change the call and then set 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.920 hot ball snapped. Right. You don't realize it when you're 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.840 sitting there drawing it up on paper. You're like, oh, yeah, 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:40.760 I got this, I got this. But then when you 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.320 actually see it in live action and how quick these 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:46.119 things are happening, and how disguises, and you get up 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.600 and you think this guy's the mic, and then you know, 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.240 you go on the double count, and then all of 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.040 a sudden, this guy rocks down a week and they're 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:53.840 coming with will free safety and we got to get 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.280 the things switched immediately, and maybe the quarterbacks doesn't see it, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.400 and now he's already rolling into his cadences. I mean, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:03.440 it's it ends up becoming, you know, quite an interesting situation. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.320 And I think those are the biggest things, right. I 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:09.000 think you can sit there in a classroom and you 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.600 can understand it to the full suxtent, but then you 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.840 get out there and a walk through and you're like, oh, yeah, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.480 this is this isn't so bad, and then you get 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.760 out there and now it's live Situationally, it's it's a 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.960 whole different scenario because you just got to see so 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.760 many different things so fast. It happens so fast. So 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.160 I think that's the biggest thing mentally. Yeah, A last 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.679 we were talking last segment about the Cardinals last season, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.080 the second half of the season and how they kind 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.560 of sputtered going down the end. M Well, when it's 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.480 just any offense in general, when when that happens, When 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.600 when just things aren't clicking, they're just everything seems to 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.840 be stale, nothing seems to be working. What needs to 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:47.600 be done? Is it? Is it as simple as as 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.560 one play, one big play in one game? Or is it? 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.720 Is it a mindset? M? Is it schematic? What what 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.680 is one thing that can really turn around the fortunes 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.560 of a team and get them off of that losing 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.520 streak or kind of out of that funk. You know, 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.280 that's that's a great question. I mean, I think it's 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.119 probably a combination of a couple of different things, right, 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.600 But I think if you have an identity and you 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.040 can kind of rely on that identity when things start 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.480 to go south, let's say it's let's say your identity's 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.800 your run game, and now things whatever you do, something happen. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.679 And now you start, you start to look back and 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.760 you self scout a little bit. And now we really 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:24.399 haven't been hammering the run game, and you got a 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.000 veteran group up front. Even if you can just kind 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.320 of control the clock and rely and just kind of 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.400 just lean on that run game a little bit more 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.720 vice versa. Right, maybe it's your passing game, maybe it's 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.600 your quick game, maybe it's your RPO, get whatever it is, right, 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:39.919 if you can have that identity, I think, and then 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:41.960 you get some veteran guys that are just like, hey, guys, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.720 everybody just got to do their job and kind of 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.639 make a play, and like I said, go back to 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.440 lean on that identity just a tad more. Maybe then 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:54.359 you have you know, obviously offense is evolved throughout the season, 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.560 but if we can just kind of find that one 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:58.359 bread and butter, right that we can kind of just 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:00.000 lean on that just a little bit more. And now 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.520 you get the veteran guys in the locker room pulling 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:04.760