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Speaker 1: pick to the Big Red Rage. Rob, how you doing?
Speaker 1: And did just survive the low visibility driving in? How
Speaker 1: can I be anything other than fantastic? I get the
Speaker 1: co host the Big Red Rage with polypig skin and
Speaker 1: I'm good ball. Yeah, good thing. The light detector is
Speaker 1: not so for your own sake over there, So man,
Speaker 1: this gonna be a good one. We got a Q
Speaker 1: Shipley coming. M So you say you might have a
Speaker 1: question mark at center? Who better to ask than Rodney
Speaker 1: Hudson himself? You know what? How about a Q Shipley,
Speaker 1: the long time center, former cardinal recently retired back in
Speaker 1: the a Z I believe and AQ was going to
Speaker 1: join us in a little while here on this edition
Speaker 1: the Big Red Ragent speaking a little visibility Rob, I mean,
Speaker 1: think about it. I've been half joking all week, last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks that HBO Hard Knocks might have picked
Speaker 1: the wrong half of the season the feature. If you're
Speaker 1: looking for true reality TV and you're looking for drama
Speaker 1: and storylines, I mean you want little visibility. How about
Speaker 1: when the Cardinals report to camp, do we have any
Speaker 1: clarity on the Kyler contract situation, the center and Rodney Hudson?
Speaker 1: How about cornerback after the tragic death of Jeff Gladney
Speaker 1: edge rusher? How the Cardinals set there? Not middle linebacker
Speaker 1: Xavin Collins? I mean, no DAP for the first six games?
Speaker 1: Rob Where are you starting? How many question marks are
Speaker 1: out there? I mean, where does your attention go to?
Speaker 1: Off the top? Yeah, certainly a lot of storylines this
Speaker 1: offseason for the Arizona Cardinals. Pauli and you talk about visibility,
Speaker 1: The biggest cloud, the biggest haboob out there right now
Speaker 1: for me is really still the Kyler Murray situation and
Speaker 1: then on top of that, recently the Rodney Hudson situation.
Speaker 1: So for me, those are the two biggest things kind
Speaker 1: of hanging over this team. Obviously, you got DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: out for six games. That's going to be an issue.
Speaker 1: What's the offense going to look like? The first six
Speaker 1: games of the season. What's it gonna look like when
Speaker 1: he comes back? And you mentioned the question Mark said
Speaker 1: on defense, just the edge rush, So somebody, somebody out
Speaker 1: there opposite of Marcus Golden who's going to provide that
Speaker 1: that consistent pass rush. And what are the inside linebackers.
Speaker 1: I'll put Isaiah Simmons in there too, with Zavan Collins.
Speaker 1: How are those two gonna look when they fully have
Speaker 1: the reins this year for the Arizona Cardinals defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get in depth in the linebacker question, especially since
Speaker 1: you know this that front seven is an area of
Speaker 1: expertise for you, So we'll get into that a little
Speaker 1: bit later. Do you expect a Kime time sign? What
Speaker 1: do you think at this point? Do you think at
Speaker 1: one of those positions you just listed there is a
Speaker 1: need to bring in a proven veteran and there's going
Speaker 1: to be someone, especially now at ten million dollars in
Speaker 1: available cap space, supposedly after Jordan Phillips the June first
Speaker 1: that kicked in. So do you think Steve Kime goes
Speaker 1: into action. I think he's always looking, He's always looking
Speaker 1: to improve the roster. I've always said that you can
Speaker 1: never have enough offensive tackles, you can never have enough
Speaker 1: defensive cornerbacks. And those are two positions I think where
Speaker 1: especially at cornerback, I think the Arizona Cardinals are always
Speaker 1: looking to upgrade and to bring in additional bodies just
Speaker 1: to the roster. But I wouldn't be surprised, Polly, and
Speaker 1: we can get into this later in the future segment,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be supplies surprised if we'd bring in
Speaker 1: some help in the interior defensive tackle position that really,
Speaker 1: really to help out those inside linebackers. Yeah. I told
Speaker 1: Kyle Vannibosh on the Red Sea Report this week, you
Speaker 1: know what, it's you. It's your job right now, big guy,
Speaker 1: your former teammate and Dominic and Sue with Detroit. You
Speaker 1: got to make that call. You got to make that happen.
Speaker 1: Get him in here on a one year deal and
Speaker 1: Dominic and Sue a defensive tackle. I think everybody would
Speaker 1: welcome that. But you wonder, is all this being held up,
Speaker 1: perhaps potentially a kime time sign of any sort, until
Speaker 1: they nailed down the numbers on a Kyler Murray contract extension,
Speaker 1: Because it has been the off season of Kyler in
Speaker 1: so many ways and Justin Pugh was on the Dave
Speaker 1: Pass podcast recently fact it's the latest Dave Pass podcasting
Speaker 1: and download that where every year podcast. He had some
Speaker 1: great insights on Kyler and you know, including hit zoom
Speaker 1: out what Kyler's just done for the franchise in his
Speaker 1: three years. Kyler's in his third year in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And when I was in New York, Eli Manning was
Speaker 1: not a vocal leader. He was the first one in,
Speaker 1: he was the last one out. He did everything right.
Speaker 1: Kyler comes in, he is everything we has them to do.
Speaker 1: I was here four years ago and we didn't have
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. I remember that team and I've seen a
Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks come through the store. Justin in twenty
Speaker 1: one years, we had the worst offense and I think
Speaker 1: NFL history. So when Kyler got here, a light went
Speaker 1: back on. Irrelevance came back on. We started playing primetime
Speaker 1: games again. We've been in the playoffs, We've been relevant.
Speaker 1: Our family has something to look forward to every year.
Speaker 1: There's something to be said about that. Yeah, Justin pe
Speaker 1: was in line right there in twenty eighteen with Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen and company, Sam Bradford, that offense wasn't just bad,
Speaker 1: it was historically bad. So if you're saying, Okay, you
Speaker 1: can't put a price on relevance and the Cardinals primetime games, etc.
Speaker 1: This year, Okay, well that's what Team Kyler is trying
Speaker 1: to do. They're trying to put a number to that
Speaker 1: sort of relevance. And you gotta wonder exactly when it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I mean, Rob, it's gonna happen, right, The
Speaker 1: contractor extension is just a matter of when and how much. Oh,
Speaker 1: it has to I don't see a scenario where it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, because that would be apocalypse. Now that that
Speaker 1: certainly would would be devastating to this organization in this season.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, of course, Paul, it's gonna happen. It
Speaker 1: has to happen, and it can happen. There's no reason
Speaker 1: it can't. Um you just look to the West a
Speaker 1: little bit for us, for the at the La Rams
Speaker 1: and what they've done this offseason. If you want to
Speaker 1: get this done, it can It can get done because
Speaker 1: you know, Dan Leloski can put out these lists all
Speaker 1: he wants, like he did earlier this week, Top five quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: twenty five or younger and number one was Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: Number two was Lamar Jackson. Number three Justin Herbert Okay,
Speaker 1: number four Trevor Lawrence, number five Mac Jones. He did
Speaker 1: not include Kyler Murray. Now, look, maybe if he puts
Speaker 1: Kyler on this list, nobody really pays attention to the
Speaker 1: list because it's kind of predictable. But you can't tell
Speaker 1: me there's one defensive coordinator at there, rob who would
Speaker 1: rather gain plan against Trevor Lawrence or mac Jones versus
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Yeah, I know that's that's garbage, that's clickbait. Um, Look,
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, there's there's one, maybe two other quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: this league that have the similar skill sets as him,
Speaker 1: and and he's probably the best of those three in
Speaker 1: terms of just a combination of arm strength and armed
Speaker 1: talent and the ability to run with the football. So, um,
Speaker 1: Kyler is a unique breed and he's he's a rarefied air.
Speaker 1: So you know, those guys don't come around every draft
Speaker 1: class every year. They just don't. And if you have one,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep them. You don't let franchise quarterbacks. You
Speaker 1: don't let quarterbacks of that talent, even sniff free agency,
Speaker 1: and I don't think the Cardinals won't do that. We're
Speaker 1: just kind of speculating here, but um, it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: you know. And Kyler certainly is a top top five
Speaker 1: quarterback under twenty five years old. In fact, they also
Speaker 1: put on another list today just the most games with
Speaker 1: sixty five plus percent completion percentage last season. Mac Jones
Speaker 1: is actually number one with thirteen. And then in the
Speaker 1: second slot, Tom Brady, Joe Barrow, Kyler Murray, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: But to your point, who's the guy who can maybe
Speaker 1: be the best athlete on the field out of that group?
Speaker 1: So and then there's other analytics to say Kyle Murray
Speaker 1: through the best deep ball, the most accurate deep ball
Speaker 1: last year. Okay, but that still begs a question what
Speaker 1: happened at the end of last year to the Cardinals offense,
Speaker 1: including Kyler and zach Ertz. In another moment on the
Speaker 1: day Pash podcast gave his theory as to what plagued
Speaker 1: the offense down the stretch. We were just such a
Speaker 1: better team on first and second down earlier in the
Speaker 1: season than we were at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: and then the season we're freaking facing the second and fifteens,
Speaker 1: third and twelves, and it's just so hard as an
Speaker 1: NFL team to face that consistently and put points on
Speaker 1: the board. And then Rob listen to Justin Pugh, he
Speaker 1: gave his theory to day Pass on the podcast about
Speaker 1: the Cardinals for this second straight year fading down the stretch.
Speaker 1: We have to be better in the biggest situations. We
Speaker 1: have to do all the little things right because that
Speaker 1: is what loses you those big games. We were able
Speaker 1: to get by a lot of times last year just
Speaker 1: being more talented than everyone we were on the field with.
Speaker 1: When you get late in the season, guys are dinged up,
Speaker 1: you're not as healthy as you want to be. It's
Speaker 1: a little place. It's doing the little things right where
Speaker 1: no one even knows you're supposed to make that block,
Speaker 1: or you're supposed to, you know, make that check. Things
Speaker 1: like that. That's what wins those games. And that's where
Speaker 1: we have to get better. And if we don't take
Speaker 1: those steps, it's gonna be the same result. If the
Speaker 1: majority of NFL games are decided by a touchdown or less,
Speaker 1: and that is the stat over the last fifteen twenty years,
Speaker 1: are you a believer that those little things and lacking
Speaker 1: attention thereof down the stretch can cost you those games.
Speaker 1: Those little things are huge, Paul. How many times did
Speaker 1: we sit there and watch and see false start after
Speaker 1: false start and all of a sudden, it's it's second
Speaker 1: and twenty. You know, I think zach Ertz is right.
Speaker 1: It got into some situations where they're just behind the
Speaker 1: sticks and it's just hard to convert those first downs
Speaker 1: and it's hard to get any momentum going when you're
Speaker 1: going the opposite direction. Yeah, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think those offense became predictable the second half of
Speaker 1: the season. It really did it. Cliff Kingsbury has done
Speaker 1: a great job of in the offseason coming up with
Speaker 1: unique plays, unique game plans and really taking this league
Speaker 1: by storm early in the season. But you know, we
Speaker 1: have to I think we have to evolve. We have
Speaker 1: to evolve this offense continuously, and you'll put defenses on
Speaker 1: the heels, Whereas I think it was the second half
Speaker 1: of last season and the season before a lot of
Speaker 1: times this offense was on their heels and they were
Speaker 1: they were really taking the body blows. Yeah, and a
Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with the run game
Speaker 1: or lack there up down the stretch, not setting the tone,
Speaker 1: the inability to really establish that ground game. You heard
Speaker 1: some some comments from players that, you know, the objective
Speaker 1: and focus this year on offense, trying to be you know,
Speaker 1: trying to be a little less predictable in terms of
Speaker 1: run or pass. Hence the emphasis on tight ends. Hence
Speaker 1: the second round pick of a Trey McBride who's a
Speaker 1: dual tight end. So you can see maybe how they
Speaker 1: self scouted and some of the adjustments that might be
Speaker 1: coming down the pike. Here as you get in August Day,
Speaker 1: episode thirty two of the Day pash pod cast featuring
Speaker 1: Justin Pugh. Also zach Ertz is up there. It's wherever
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Speaker 1: at pashpot a Q Shipley, former Cardinals center over a
Speaker 1: decade in the NFL, you got questions about the quarterback
Speaker 1: of the offensive line of where this might be tracking. Oh,
Speaker 1: we need answers to make Q next the Big Red
Speaker 1: Rage presented by satan Ford in Gilbert under centers, Palmer
Speaker 1: takes hands it off, Ellington straight ahead stood up at
Speaker 1: the one trying to fall forward to get into the
Speaker 1: end zone and he starts a touchdown Rodrey Ellington as
Speaker 1: the Cardinals extend there late at thirteen three Rod love
Speaker 1: it eight two Shipley. That was a great job. I
Speaker 1: ate two Shipley at the point of attack. Yeah, Shipley
Speaker 1: thrilled the linebacker. That is football. And that is just
Speaker 1: a precursor of our next guest here on the Big
Speaker 1: Red Rage presented by satan Ford in Gilbert. We are
Speaker 1: satan Ford, Paul kelvc or Rob Frederickson in for Ron Wolfley.
Speaker 1: And it's a good thing Aq that wolf isn't here,
Speaker 1: because he'd probably cite your brief career as a fullback
Speaker 1: in the NFL and he'd go into his whole fullback
Speaker 1: club stuff and all that malarkey. How are you doing, Aq,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Yeah, we'll be talking for hours about
Speaker 1: fullback place. I'm glad we're not doing that. I saw
Speaker 1: recently on a podcast You're still a little sort You
Speaker 1: were wide open on a pass route out of the
Speaker 1: backfield once upon a time and Carson just flat ignored you.
Speaker 1: Is that you're still a little raw about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think I'll remind Carson of that until the day
Speaker 1: I'd die. I mean that was I just don't understand
Speaker 1: that I was wide open. I don't understand it. I
Speaker 1: still done. All right, here's my first question, Rob, I'll
Speaker 1: go first, my first legitimate question, sort of have you
Speaker 1: been contacted by Steve Kime? Are you still in shape
Speaker 1: a Q Shipley with the uncertainty around Rodney Hudson. I
Speaker 1: have not. I'm in great shape. I just my days
Speaker 1: are over. My days are over. Paul. I wish, I
Speaker 1: wish I still had something in me, but I don't. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an interesting deal. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going over Rodney, but I mean I've
Speaker 1: obviously read a little bit about it, and center is
Speaker 1: a big position, so it'll be interesting to kind of
Speaker 1: see the way this whole thing shakes out. Hey, Q,
Speaker 1: I got you know, assuming Rodney Hudson, let's just let's
Speaker 1: just assume the worst. Let's assume that he's not in
Speaker 1: the immediate picture. How difficult is it for an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: say a guard, to move over there and play center.
Speaker 1: How how difficult of a transition is that, you know,
Speaker 1: I imagine going from center to guard it's a little easier,
Speaker 1: But how difficult is it for an offensive lineman who's
Speaker 1: who's really not had a lot of experience playing center
Speaker 1: to make that move. I say this all the time,
Speaker 1: and you know, my little brief career coaching last year,
Speaker 1: I sat there and I had these conversations with scouts,
Speaker 1: with other coaches, and you know, it was always kind
Speaker 1: of like the running joke of like, you know, I
Speaker 1: think people look at it so often like the center's
Speaker 1: uncovered in the four three scheme, and oh, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to block somebody on every play. So it's like
Speaker 1: anytime in my last you know, a couple of years
Speaker 1: where I saw like a coach be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he can make it as a guard,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll trime at center. I'm like, wait, wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: Like we think it's gonna be easier to play center.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was it was always kind of
Speaker 1: interesting to me because I think it's it's so funny
Speaker 1: to me to sit there and think that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be easier when you got one hand between your legs,
Speaker 1: you got to make all the all the mental calls,
Speaker 1: you got to get everybody on the right page. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, if the quarterbacks got is played full with
Speaker 1: knowing all the pass game stuff. Now you're in charge
Speaker 1: all the run checks, and you know there's so many
Speaker 1: different nuances that the center has to be able to
Speaker 1: help out, not only amongst the offensive line, but amongst
Speaker 1: the whole group. And so you know, it's it's definitely
Speaker 1: a difficult thing. You know, you hope, you hope that
Speaker 1: the guy can make the transition, but it all comes
Speaker 1: down to, you know, just being comfortable and when you've
Speaker 1: never really had your hand between your legs trying to block,
Speaker 1: you know, Vita Veaway in three eighty, right, and you
Speaker 1: know you had to make all the calls beforehand, and this,
Speaker 1: that and the other. I mean, and so if somebody's
Speaker 1: done that, I don't. I don't think it's as easy
Speaker 1: some people may think, well, I think Justin Pue has
Speaker 1: the utmost respect for the position, just based on a
Speaker 1: few of the reps he took in the offseason. Because
Speaker 1: listen to him talking about potentially playing center this year
Speaker 1: on the Day Pass podcast. Justin Peue, I've never played
Speaker 1: center before in my career, but I've seen guys play
Speaker 1: center latent to their careers. Center mentally is is so
Speaker 1: much tougher, and in our offense, the center makes a
Speaker 1: lot of the calls. That's why we've prioritized that position
Speaker 1: every offseason. You've seen we had a Q Shipley, then
Speaker 1: Mason Cole that went out and got Rodney Hudson. We
Speaker 1: clearly value that position. So to get some reps at
Speaker 1: center and see how that shakes out, it's interesting, it's fun,
Speaker 1: it makes you break a mental sweat. And look, you
Speaker 1: played with Justin Peue. I think we can all agree
Speaker 1: he's an a high IQ guy football and otherwise. So
Speaker 1: I am a little shocked to hear him say that, AQ,
Speaker 1: I really am. I mean, a guy who's got a
Speaker 1: decade in the league for him to say it's such
Speaker 1: a mental challenge to play center? What makes it so tough?
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I got a textual us to
Speaker 1: Rid after Rid, after that mad caamp. You know, whe
Speaker 1: are still really good friends, and you know he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: this thing, h was a little harder than maybe I
Speaker 1: thought it once, right, So you know, I guess to
Speaker 1: answer that question, right, like, I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: is until you're actually out there with live bullets flying,
Speaker 1: with live reps going, and you know, you're out there
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, they're switching from a two
Speaker 1: they're disguising a two high to a one high, and
Speaker 1: now they're rolling back, rocking down on the weak side,
Speaker 1: and you got to change the call and then set
Speaker 1: hot ball snapped. Right. You don't realize it when you're
Speaker 1: sitting there drawing it up on paper. You're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got this, I got this. But then when you
Speaker 1: actually see it in live action and how quick these
Speaker 1: things are happening, and how disguises, and you get up
Speaker 1: and you think this guy's the mic, and then you know,
Speaker 1: you go on the double count, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, this guy rocks down a week and they're
Speaker 1: coming with will free safety and we got to get
Speaker 1: the things switched immediately, and maybe the quarterbacks doesn't see it,
Speaker 1: and now he's already rolling into his cadences. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it ends up becoming, you know, quite an interesting situation.
Speaker 1: And I think those are the biggest things, right. I
Speaker 1: think you can sit there in a classroom and you
Speaker 1: can understand it to the full suxtent, but then you
Speaker 1: get out there and a walk through and you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this isn't so bad, and then you get
Speaker 1: out there and now it's live Situationally, it's it's a
Speaker 1: whole different scenario because you just got to see so
Speaker 1: many different things so fast. It happens so fast. So
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing mentally. Yeah, A last
Speaker 1: we were talking last segment about the Cardinals last season,
Speaker 1: the second half of the season and how they kind
Speaker 1: of sputtered going down the end. M Well, when it's
Speaker 1: just any offense in general, when when that happens, When
Speaker 1: when just things aren't clicking, they're just everything seems to
Speaker 1: be stale, nothing seems to be working. What needs to
Speaker 1: be done? Is it? Is it as simple as as
Speaker 1: one play, one big play in one game? Or is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a mindset? M? Is it schematic? What what
Speaker 1: is one thing that can really turn around the fortunes
Speaker 1: of a team and get them off of that losing
Speaker 1: streak or kind of out of that funk. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's a great question. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: probably a combination of a couple of different things, right,
Speaker 1: But I think if you have an identity and you
Speaker 1: can kind of rely on that identity when things start
Speaker 1: to go south, let's say it's let's say your identity's
Speaker 1: your run game, and now things whatever you do, something happen.
Speaker 1: And now you start, you start to look back and
Speaker 1: you self scout a little bit. And now we really
Speaker 1: haven't been hammering the run game, and you got a
Speaker 1: veteran group up front. Even if you can just kind
Speaker 1: of control the clock and rely and just kind of
Speaker 1: just lean on that run game a little bit more
Speaker 1: vice versa. Right, maybe it's your passing game, maybe it's
Speaker 1: your quick game, maybe it's your RPO, get whatever it is, right,
Speaker 1: if you can have that identity, I think, and then
Speaker 1: you get some veteran guys that are just like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: everybody just got to do their job and kind of
Speaker 1: make a play, and like I said, go back to
Speaker 1: lean on that identity just a tad more. Maybe then
Speaker 1: you have you know, obviously offense is evolved throughout the season,
Speaker 1: but if we can just kind of find that one
Speaker 1: bread and butter, right that we can kind of just
Speaker 1: lean on that just a little bit more. And now
Speaker 1: you get the veteran guys in the locker room pulling
Speaker 1: all the younger guys up hein, guys, everybody do your job. Everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, one guy, everybody just make one play. One
Speaker 1: play will lead to two plays. Two plays a lead
Speaker 1: to three and then that that might be the difference
Speaker 1: to kind of get you off that skid. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's that's the whole psychological aspect of any professional sports, right, Like,
Speaker 1: who knows why any of these things happen, but you
Speaker 1: do got to hope that you're a veteran leadership and
Speaker 1: kind of some of the things that you can lean
Speaker 1: on with your identity, you can kind of pull you through. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with ba it was twenty two and twenty three double right,
Speaker 1: that run play, you guys would always go back to
Speaker 1: and basically tell a defense. Here it comes, see if
Speaker 1: you can stop it, right, So no question. Yeah, A Q.
Speaker 1: Shipley is our guest former Cardinal Center. You mentioned culture
Speaker 1: and leadership, So let me ask about Kyler Murray. You're
Speaker 1: with him his rookie year. You went to Tampa. You
Speaker 1: want a ring. I've heard it said about a Buccaneers
Speaker 1: team that what went twelve straight years without even making
Speaker 1: the playoffs? Tom Brady shows up, you guys win the
Speaker 1: Lombardi Trophy. I've heard it said that Tom Brady was
Speaker 1: the culture of the Bucks. In your pinion and from
Speaker 1: your experience, how vital is that Brinny franchise quarter back
Speaker 1: to be that guy and the culture in the locker
Speaker 1: room per se? You see it, you know, time and
Speaker 1: time again. I mean in any sport, right, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think anybody can sit here and
Speaker 1: say that the Golden State Warriors were the best team.
Speaker 1: But there's a guy named Steph Curry that kind of
Speaker 1: just brought everybody's play up around him, right, and that
Speaker 1: team just kind of took off, right, And you could
Speaker 1: say that with any professional sports team, and that that
Speaker 1: that obviously goes back to the guy in any on
Speaker 1: any team, right, And most of the time that's that quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: So it is everything. Kyler's phenomenal. He's grown as a
Speaker 1: player year in and year out since I've left, and
Speaker 1: you know, he's obviously, you know, taking that next step
Speaker 1: as a as a player and as a leader, and
Speaker 1: so you know, I think the next step for him
Speaker 1: is just kind of just really being able to grab
Speaker 1: everybody around him, whether it's you just need one play
Speaker 1: and whatever it is, and everybody's gonna, you know, just
Speaker 1: look to him. And that's what it comes down to
Speaker 1: and down in Tampa. I've never seen anything like it
Speaker 1: with Tom. I mean, it was unbelievable what he was
Speaker 1: able to do, what he was able to bring to
Speaker 1: that locker room, but he was able to bring to
Speaker 1: that team and just the focus, right, I mean, nobody
Speaker 1: wanted to let him down, just the way that he
Speaker 1: carried himself, the way that he held everybody else accountable.
Speaker 1: So when you have a guy like that, you don't
Speaker 1: want to let him down when it means so much,
Speaker 1: when you watch what it means to him every second
Speaker 1: of every day. When it's Sunday morning, you got to
Speaker 1: one o'clock came and he's grabbing the skill guys and
Speaker 1: meeting with them in the back room, going over you know,
Speaker 1: four and five final, you know details that maybe he
Speaker 1: thought of the night before, and you know all those things.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to just go out and just do a
Speaker 1: little bit more. And when everybody else wants to do
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and the guy that you're counting
Speaker 1: on is already doing that, he brings everybody else up.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what Tom was able to do.
Speaker 1: And hopefully Kyler can get to that. And I mean
Speaker 1: He's obviously continued to grow year after year, and you
Speaker 1: know he's that that's going to be the next step
Speaker 1: for him to take this group to the next level.
Speaker 1: That's great at Q. Hey, you know you were a
Speaker 1: fan favorite when you were playing here for the Cardinals. Um.
Speaker 1: I think they all want to know. I want to know,
Speaker 1: what's what's keeping you busy? Now it's football aside. What
Speaker 1: what's what's kind of keeping you busy? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Where are you at right now? Yeah? So we we
Speaker 1: we loved our time here in Arizona. We made we
Speaker 1: made it full time. We live in Arcadia. Um. Love
Speaker 1: it out here. I mean just love everything about it. Um.
Speaker 1: Just had our third kid. Um, finally got a boy.
Speaker 1: So I got a four year old and a two
Speaker 1: year old girl, and then we got an eight week
Speaker 1: old boy. Um. And you know, last year I gave
Speaker 1: coaching to try and thought that was kind of gonna
Speaker 1: be my my ticket. And I was so grateful for
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians and that whole group kind of giving me
Speaker 1: that opportunity to step from playing right into coaching, which
Speaker 1: not many people get that opportunity. And I loved every
Speaker 1: second of it. It's just I had a hard time
Speaker 1: fathom and the fact that I wasn't seeing my kids,
Speaker 1: and so we had bought a house here when I
Speaker 1: played for the Cardinals and right before I signed with Tampa,
Speaker 1: So you know, I have to talk it over with
Speaker 1: my wife. We decided to come back here, make home here,
Speaker 1: and just kind of figure it out. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's next, but for right now, I've just kind of
Speaker 1: been enjoying playing dad and developed a really good relationship
Speaker 1: with the backup center for the Buccaneers. The name is
Speaker 1: Robert Hanzy. We drafted him out of Notre Dame last
Speaker 1: year and he came out and worked out with me
Speaker 1: for four or five weeks. I trained him for five
Speaker 1: weeks in the spring, and then I got him again
Speaker 1: right now leading up into training camp. So that's what's
Speaker 1: kind of keeping me busy right now and then kind
Speaker 1: of figure it out from there. What about as a
Speaker 1: hard rock fan, are you working in mosh pits? Are
Speaker 1: you still going to concert? Take you? I love my concerts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I stay away from the mosh pits. It's funny, yes, said,
Speaker 1: I literally post up in the back right corner of
Speaker 1: any even you I go to just kind of stay
Speaker 1: away from all the all the action. I had enough
Speaker 1: contact in my day, So just enjoy the music and
Speaker 1: get out of the house. Get away from three screaming kids.
Speaker 1: Everyone's stay away from the pickle ball too. You know
Speaker 1: Fits and Drew stand those guys are killers in the
Speaker 1: pickleball court. Okay, Hey, Drew's trying to get me in
Speaker 1: every every one. So I always wants to go. At
Speaker 1: five am. I'm like, all right, if we can, if
Speaker 1: I need a little bit of sleep, we can push
Speaker 1: this back a little bit. I'll go with us. Ay,
Speaker 1: Q Man, we really enjoyed it. Great insight and great
Speaker 1: to hear you're back in the AC Man. Congrats to
Speaker 1: you in the family. Hey, I appreciate it. I I hope
Speaker 1: to see you guys. Absolutely a Q Shipley, former Cardinals center.
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting stuff. Rob about what he said
Speaker 1: heard the center position, and man, that is huge the
Speaker 1: future of Rodney Hudson. And if not Rodney Hudson, then
Speaker 1: who and how feasible is it if Justin Pugh is
Speaker 1: the guy will kick that around and then your area
Speaker 1: of expertise, linebacker. I want to hear what you have
Speaker 1: to say about Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins. When we
Speaker 1: continue the big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert,
Speaker 1: we are satan Ford second and eleven under centers. Prescotty
Speaker 1: Tanks dropping back and throwing to drop ball, steps up
Speaker 1: and he gets away from a car right no runs,
Speaker 1: Ford fum them all the forty and the Cardinals jump
Speaker 1: on it at the forty four yard line. Dak coughed
Speaker 1: it off and it's recovered by Arizona Off Dennis Gardak
Speaker 1: has the ball. Isaiah Simmons popped it out, recovered by Gardak.
Speaker 1: A huge play by Isaiah Simmons who came on the
Speaker 1: flints and then missed the tackle attempt. Would continued to
Speaker 1: follow Dad Prescott downfield and punched the pig out. What
Speaker 1: a play by number nine. The athleticism is undeniable. Even
Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks last year and said he there were times
Speaker 1: he would look at Isaiah Simmons and Zavin Collins in
Speaker 1: the linebacker room and just say, we got a couple
Speaker 1: of unicorns right here. The question is what position are
Speaker 1: Zavin Collins and Isaiah Simmons gonna play this year? And
Speaker 1: maybe Rob Fredericks is gonna help us out with that
Speaker 1: filling in for Ron Wolfley here on the Big Red
Speaker 1: Rage presented by Satan Ford and Gilbert We are Satan
Speaker 1: Or Special. Thanks Rob a Q. Shipley, former Cardinals center.
Speaker 1: Some great insights on center on Kyler on Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: I loved how he sighted three hundred eighty pound Vita Vea.
Speaker 1: You forget about that some of the dudes at nose
Speaker 1: tackle that centers have to go against. I mean, he said,
Speaker 1: when you're playing center and you're playing against him four
Speaker 1: or three defense, you don't have anyone directly on you.
Speaker 1: If I'm playing center, I'm praying for that man. I
Speaker 1: one Vita Vea, Right, I'm right two inches from my
Speaker 1: helmet at the snap man No way, all right, So
Speaker 1: we know that position is a mental challenge. What about
Speaker 1: this whole future of Isaiah Simmons and Zavin Collins, last
Speaker 1: two first round picks. We saw Isaiah Simmons working more
Speaker 1: with the safeties during the open media portions of offseason work.
Speaker 1: And then Zaven Collins, we don't know exactly whether he's
Speaker 1: going to be the mic linebacker calling this defense. Just
Speaker 1: give us a sense as to what's realistic. Rob Considering
Speaker 1: that Zaven Collins a Prittyo didn't get a lot of
Speaker 1: snaps at mike linebacker last year. I mean, where should
Speaker 1: he be? Where can he be in time for the
Speaker 1: season opener against Casey? Well, you know, I think advance
Speaker 1: Joseph and in these defensive coaches, they're they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna put the best players out there that give them
Speaker 1: the best opportunity to be successful as a defense. UM
Speaker 1: And and you saw that last year, you saw it
Speaker 1: the year before with Isaiah Simmons. You know, if if
Speaker 1: they're not ready, Zaven Collins last year, if they if
Speaker 1: they're not ready, if they're injured, you can't play. You
Speaker 1: can't put them out there. You can't play him in
Speaker 1: that middle linebacker area. And that in that alignment because
Speaker 1: you know, like Rodney Hudson is, is that valuable to
Speaker 1: the offense. He's basically the quarterback of the offensive line,
Speaker 1: calling the protections, calling UM the run blocks and where
Speaker 1: everyone needs to be lined up. UM. The middle linebacker
Speaker 1: does that for the defense. He's calling the coverages, he's
Speaker 1: calling any changes based on motions and and shifts. The
Speaker 1: middle linebacker has to be so plugged in to what's
Speaker 1: happening pre snap. UM and then post snap obviously um
Speaker 1: that that there's no absolute zero room for mental errors.
Speaker 1: And when you have young guys. Isaiah Simmons really didn't
Speaker 1: play a lot of linebacker in Clemson. He was more
Speaker 1: kind of a slot corner and a deep safety, but
Speaker 1: he did have some some opportunities where he was up
Speaker 1: closer to the line of scrimmage. But then you try
Speaker 1: to put him into that middle linebacker or inside outside,
Speaker 1: inside kind of week side linebacker position, that's a different animal.
Speaker 1: And I think it was a different animal for Xavin
Speaker 1: Collins last year. And I'll give them that learning curve.
Speaker 1: I'll give him that year. But your number one draft
Speaker 1: picks on defense have to be solid starters. They have
Speaker 1: to be solid contributors, and they need to be playing.
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, seventy five to eighty plus percent of the
Speaker 1: defensive snaps for the entire season. Was vance Joe Sevast
Speaker 1: recently about his pair of young inside linebackers. Yes, he was.
Speaker 1: And here's what the defensive coordinator had to say about
Speaker 1: Zavin Collins and Isaiah Simmons. It's their time. You know,
Speaker 1: Isaiah's going into his third years, Avan's going into a
Speaker 1: second year. The first round picks to have to help us,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's heading that way. You know. I've
Speaker 1: been proud of the Zaven how much time he's put in.
Speaker 1: Isaiah has always been a good worker, you know. It's
Speaker 1: it's the next step for him. Obviously watching him last year,
Speaker 1: he made plays, you know, but now he has to
Speaker 1: make consistent plays and not give what plays. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's this next challenge, and for Zavan to stand
Speaker 1: healthy and keep learning. But both guys are physically gifted,
Speaker 1: you know, so we have to get those guys ready
Speaker 1: to play because we need him. Wolf and I argued
Speaker 1: about this a little bit, and you can go ahead
Speaker 1: and you tell me if I'm off base. For me,
Speaker 1: if both guys are on the field, I'm good with that.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need Zaven Collins to be the quarterback
Speaker 1: of the defense and calling the plays and making the checks.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily need Isaiah Simmons to be the
Speaker 1: weak side inside linebacker. I just need those guys on
Speaker 1: the field, two of the eleven and being able to
Speaker 1: go sideline to sideline using their size and athleticism to
Speaker 1: make plays. What's your take on that? You know, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. With Isaiah, I think it's a little
Speaker 1: easier to find a position for him if it's not
Speaker 1: that that week side inside linebacker because he has played
Speaker 1: so many multiple positions in college. Um, he can easily
Speaker 1: transition to something else. Um. The difference is Zaven Collins,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure where to put him if it's
Speaker 1: not that middle linebacker position. I don't necessarily see him
Speaker 1: as an outside pass rush guy. So if it's not that,
Speaker 1: I really don't know where you would put him. Now,
Speaker 1: there are some capable linebackers in that room. Picking up
Speaker 1: Nick Vigil I think I think that was a great
Speaker 1: pick up Dennis Gardak coming off that knee surgery the
Speaker 1: year before, coming off the last season. UM, you know,
Speaker 1: Tanner Vallejo has been very effective when he's been gotten
Speaker 1: opportunities get in there and get reps. And you have
Speaker 1: Zeke Turner as well, So there's some other players that
Speaker 1: can play those inside linebacker positions. I still think Zaven
Speaker 1: Collins and Isaiah Simmons can do it and can do
Speaker 1: it very well. And that's kind of going back to
Speaker 1: my one of my opening statements on the show, PAULI,
Speaker 1: when I said I wouldn't be surprised if we're starting
Speaker 1: to you know, time time looking at some defensive tackle help.
Speaker 1: The more you can keep those offensive linemen off of
Speaker 1: those linebackers and allow them to be free runners and
Speaker 1: use their athleticism. Man, that's a great defense. You know that,
Speaker 1: That is what a great defense really needs. You know
Speaker 1: you hear about um. You know Tony Saragosa rest in
Speaker 1: peace yesterday what he did for Ray Lewis and that
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens defense. Ye man, I mean that you can't
Speaker 1: you can't you know, understate that. You can't overstate that
Speaker 1: it really it is the one of the most important
Speaker 1: positions is to have those interior defensive linemen stout and
Speaker 1: chewing up those offensive linemen and allowing athletic linebackers like
Speaker 1: we have, allowing them free reign to run. Hey, think
Speaker 1: about we just talked about Tampa with a Q Shipley.
Speaker 1: Think about their Super Bowl winning sea and two years
Speaker 1: ago and those two inside linebackers just flying around, especially
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So you have guys like Vita Vea
Speaker 1: and and Dominican Sue keep an offensive linemen off those
Speaker 1: two inside backers and they flew around and you can't
Speaker 1: tell me. That's not one of the reasons the Arizona
Speaker 1: Cardinals took in Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins. Right, if
Speaker 1: it's a copycat league. You saw what a Devin White
Speaker 1: and company did for Tampa and that defense. Now Zavin Collins,
Speaker 1: obviously the challenge here is mentally, and he was pretty
Speaker 1: honest with the media and said, yes, it has been
Speaker 1: a process. Obviously, you know, last year didn't go as
Speaker 1: you know everyone would want. But that's that's part of life,
Speaker 1: just learning from those mistakes, applying them to now and
Speaker 1: trying to get better, which I have. I think that
Speaker 1: I've done a really good job in some of the
Speaker 1: areas that I've messed up as far as you know,
Speaker 1: mental errors or you know, stuff like that. I just wonder, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the reggor. He's not going to
Speaker 1: see very much in the preseason in terms of advanced schemes.
Speaker 1: Nobody's showing anything offensively. Those reps is going to be valuable, sure,
Speaker 1: but only to a certain degree. So he's not truly
Speaker 1: going to be playing NFL football until Week one. How
Speaker 1: risky is it to put him out there at mike
Speaker 1: linebacker to what degree. Do you think Vans Joseph's is
Speaker 1: willing to let his young middle linebacker learn on the job,
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen much appetite for that from Vance.
Speaker 1: You know, a guy like Zavian Collins, what he really needs,
Speaker 1: he needs reps. I think Isaiah Simmons does too, especially
Speaker 1: if they're gonna try to play them at those inside
Speaker 1: linebacker positions. They need reps, and so they need all
Speaker 1: the preseason reps they can get. Um, you're right, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be rather vanilla. There's not gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of exotic formations and shifts and motions and and things
Speaker 1: like that in the preseason. At least he wouldn't expect it.
Speaker 1: So he's not going to get all those presnap you know,
Speaker 1: change of change of strength, motions, changing the coverages on
Speaker 1: a fly. He's not going to get a lot of that,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think, because they're gonna want to keep things
Speaker 1: vanilla defensively as well in the preseason. But yet he's
Speaker 1: gonna be able to see things. He's going to be
Speaker 1: able to distinguish if those offensive alignemen are setting up
Speaker 1: for run or versus pass, what do those blocks look like?
Speaker 1: What does the flow of the running back. Look like
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to see that. He needs to
Speaker 1: see as many of those reps as he can so
Speaker 1: that he can kind of just make that second nature
Speaker 1: for him and so we won't really have to think
Speaker 1: out there. I think that's one of the things that
Speaker 1: maybe kind of slowing these guys down in terms of
Speaker 1: their maturation process is just overanalyzing, overthinking things versus just
Speaker 1: reacting and going and trusting your instincts. Rob Frederickson in
Speaker 1: Forron Woefully, long time outside linebacker in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: give me a quick thought on where you think the
Speaker 1: Cardinals are right now at that position, because a month
Speaker 1: ago we would have said, okay, you know, before the
Speaker 1: tragic death of Jeff Gladney, now the Rodney Hudson situation,
Speaker 1: if there was going to be a kind time sign,
Speaker 1: most likely it would be an edge guy. Where do
Speaker 1: you think the Cardinals are right now? With Marcus Golden,
Speaker 1: then opposite him a Devon Kinard, a Dennis Gardeck, and
Speaker 1: then pair around three rookies. Yeah, I look at these rookies.
Speaker 1: They're interesting. You know that Cameron Thomas and and my
Speaker 1: g Sanders. Uh, you know Cameron Thomas, He's he's got
Speaker 1: some size to him. And and I think if um,
Speaker 1: he's got the ability he was he was pretty productive
Speaker 1: in college, so he's got the he's got the ability
Speaker 1: to to really make an impact I think early on.
Speaker 1: And and Sanders he's got some speed coming off the edge.
Speaker 1: He's a little raw. Um, I think he's somebody that
Speaker 1: that might take a little bit more time. But um,
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of think it's going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, like it was two years ago. It kind
Speaker 1: of when you know, when Chandler Jones went down with
Speaker 1: the bicep injury, it was it was kind of a
Speaker 1: it was kind of a sack by committee operation, and
Speaker 1: you saw what Dennis Gardeck was able to do back
Speaker 1: then when he was healthy and kind of caught some
Speaker 1: people by surprise. Um, you know, you may see some
Speaker 1: of that, you know, advanced. Joseph is certainly good at
Speaker 1: coming up with schemes and finding ways to apply pressure.
Speaker 1: But anytime you do that, anytime you bring more than
Speaker 1: four defenders on a pass rush, you're really putting an
Speaker 1: onus on your secondary, on your linebackers in terms of coverage,
Speaker 1: and that's where everybody's going to be on the same page,
Speaker 1: and everybody's got to really understand what their roles and
Speaker 1: responsibilities are. If if those five guys can't get home,
Speaker 1: it's really putting a lot of pressure on on those
Speaker 1: back end guys. And you're right. Two twenty, Chandler Jones
Speaker 1: went down Week five at the Jets. Cardinals still ended
Speaker 1: up top five in sacks as a defense, and you know,
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph has been there and done that. There were
Speaker 1: eighteen different players who had at least one sack in
Speaker 1: two twenty for the arison our Cardinals, and there were
Speaker 1: a dozen guys who had at least two sacks. Think
Speaker 1: about that. And Kyle Vanabosh was on earlier, a guy
Speaker 1: who made his living rushing the passer. Just saying how
Speaker 1: different all the Cardinals edge rushers are opposite Marcus Golden
Speaker 1: mother Stevan Kannard, or a Dennis Gardeck who's more of
Speaker 1: a pit bull the size and power of a Cameron Thomas,
Speaker 1: long lean athletic my j Sanders. So maybe you just
Speaker 1: keep changing it up on that tackle out the course
Speaker 1: of a game. Hey, a reminder, Cardinal season tickets are
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Speaker 1: for more info, Hollywood Brown, what can Brown do for
Speaker 1: you in this offense? We'll talk about that next. It
Speaker 1: is the Big Red Rage Rob Frederickson in from Ron
Speaker 1: Wolfley and all presented by Santan four angle brush shout
Speaker 1: of downs on the OEU twenty five yard line, Murray
Speaker 1: on play action going dufour, Hollywood on touchdown centers seventy
Speaker 1: five yards to a past this guy on the fields,
Speaker 1: Kyler's Heisman campaign to one of his best friends, Hollywood Brown.
Speaker 1: And yes, Dave Pash was on the call for ESPN's
Speaker 1: twenty years plus as the voice of the Cardinals, so
Speaker 1: Dave has been there and done that. When it comes
Speaker 1: to this new combo between Kyler and Hollywood Brown, it
Speaker 1: is the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert.
Speaker 1: We are Satan forward, Paul Calvc or Rob Frederickson pinch
Speaker 1: hitting for Ron Wolfley and Rob. It was hard not
Speaker 1: to notice throughout OTAs number one thrown to number two,
Speaker 1: and it was just the chemistry they already have. When
Speaker 1: Cliff Thingsbury talks about how they can already make eye
Speaker 1: contact and make adjustments, hand signals already exist. I mean,
Speaker 1: look We've talked about this. You can go get a
Speaker 1: first round Rickey receiver and he can be as talented
Speaker 1: as anything, but there's gonna be that learning curve for
Speaker 1: any rookie receiver. And this is about as plug and
Speaker 1: play as it gets for a brand new player into
Speaker 1: your offense. Oh, it's it's cheating. It's almost cheated. It's
Speaker 1: like you looking over my shoulder in math class, Paully,
Speaker 1: and trying to, you know, get my answers. But well,
Speaker 1: I'd rather have your Michigan State tutor actually than you,
Speaker 1: but because we know your tutor did all your homework anyway,
Speaker 1: But go ahead, okay, all right, yeah, Cal, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: your academic assistant. I'm sorry, Yeah, my academic assistant. That's right. Yes, Look, obviously,
Speaker 1: the first six games you're gonna be without DeAndre Hopkins
Speaker 1: and to have Hollywood Brown and someone that has a
Speaker 1: familiarity with Kyler and and just that bond that they've
Speaker 1: they've had for years at Oklahoma, and for him to
Speaker 1: to for the Cardinals to make that move to bring
Speaker 1: in Hollywood Brown, knowing that this was coming down the
Speaker 1: pike for DeAndre Hopkins, I think that it was a
Speaker 1: it was an unbelievable move by the Cardinals, and to
Speaker 1: pick up a talent as young as Hollywood Brown is
Speaker 1: um and he really you know, you think about it
Speaker 1: and look at look at him statistically, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of wear on those tires. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's basically like him coming in and being
Speaker 1: a rookie all over again. I mean, think about that
Speaker 1: Baltimore offense, right, Greg Roman's offense, it was it was
Speaker 1: run first, second, and third. Uh. The fourth option was
Speaker 1: a tight end, The fifth option was Lamar Jackson, the
Speaker 1: sixth option was a tight end again, and then it
Speaker 1: was Hollywood Brown. Right. I mean, I think that's why
Speaker 1: the Cardinals feel they can they can still unlock a
Speaker 1: lot of potential out of Hollywood Brown. In fact, here's
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury just on Marcus Brown's big playability. He can
Speaker 1: stretch the defense. There's no doubt vertically. I mean, he
Speaker 1: can really roll. He had a bunch of big plays
Speaker 1: last year, could have had more. I felt like, um,
Speaker 1: that's an aspect you know, hav An aj Rondo him,
Speaker 1: Guys that can can stretch the field from all angles
Speaker 1: is going to be good for us because Rob you
Speaker 1: know this Christian Kirk Okay, he maybe wasn't quite as
Speaker 1: fast as Hollywood Brown, but he's still had wheels, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't that effective as an outside receiver. He was
Speaker 1: much better in the slot, whereas Hollywood Brown is legit
Speaker 1: X receiver in this offense. Yeah, Hollywood's going to be outside.
Speaker 1: Even when DeAndre Hopkins comes back, Hollywood's still going to
Speaker 1: be outside, and that's really where he belongs. And and
Speaker 1: you're right to have a to have a wide receiver
Speaker 1: that could stretch that field consistently and and with the
Speaker 1: with the long throwing ability and accuracy. If Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: as you talked about earlier, um to have that that
Speaker 1: threat there and consistently have that threat there, that's going
Speaker 1: to open up so many things underneath for Deandrey Hopkins,
Speaker 1: for Zach Ertz, Trey McBride, Rondell Moore. We haven't talked
Speaker 1: about Rondell Moore yet, but you know, finding a role
Speaker 1: maybe in the slot receiver position for Rondell Moore I
Speaker 1: think is really gonna help him and this offense tremendously
Speaker 1: this year, especially if we can believe Sean Jefferson what
Speaker 1: he told us a couple months ago on the Big
Speaker 1: Red Rage and Cliff Kingsbury that they're definitely gonna get
Speaker 1: Rondelle more more targets downfield. And I see those two
Speaker 1: guys pushing each other. I see that dynamic, right, Both
Speaker 1: burners both sort of similar size and they're competitive in
Speaker 1: that way. So I think that's a good dynamic. Here's
Speaker 1: the other thing too, is you know, Hollywood Brown was
Speaker 1: always the number one receiver for the Baltimore Ravens. He
Speaker 1: was the guy who got doubled. He was the guy
Speaker 1: who got that bracket coverage. Well, when d hop comes back,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a lot of single coverage. Look Out.
Speaker 1: This offense is stacked with talent on the outside. Really
Speaker 1: now talent, it's a tight end position, running back position,
Speaker 1: the skill positions on his offense. It's stacked, and so really,
Speaker 1: I think that the challenge will be finding ways to
Speaker 1: spread that ball around number one and ensuring that this
Speaker 1: offense doesn't become predictable. You know, a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: we became rather predictable going to DeAndre Hopkins on the
Speaker 1: left side, he basically ran three different routes. We can't
Speaker 1: allow that to kind of creep back in to this
Speaker 1: offense because there are so many talented players. We have
Speaker 1: to find a way to really keep defense on their
Speaker 1: heels and and really not be predictable, move the ball
Speaker 1: around and get it into the hands of your playmakers
Speaker 1: and let them do their thing. And you know, we
Speaker 1: got into that a little bit with Drew Stanton on
Speaker 1: the Red Sea Report last month and just talked about
Speaker 1: how the last two seasons down the stretch the offense
Speaker 1: bogged down and wasn't because of a predictability, and he
Speaker 1: said a couple of things. He said, you know what,
Speaker 1: when the Cardinals offense bogged down last season, they couldn't
Speaker 1: run the ball nearly as effective as they did the
Speaker 1: first half of the season. Absolutely, But then he added
Speaker 1: about the tight ends, and now the tight ends allow
Speaker 1: you that much more versatility in your play calling, and
Speaker 1: the tight ends won't show your hand as much. Hence
Speaker 1: the emphasis on that position in the offseason. Well, think
Speaker 1: about Trey McBride bringing him in as a second round pick.
Speaker 1: He won the Mackey Award ball as the nation's best
Speaker 1: tight end. He's pretty darn good. He can pass block,
Speaker 1: he can run block, and he can he can get
Speaker 1: the ball down the field he can receive, so I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see what he does. Of course, we know
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