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Speaker 1: at pashpot a Q Shipley, former Cardinals center over a

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Speaker 1: Rage presented by satan Ford in Gilbert under centers, Palmer

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Speaker 1: to be that guy and the culture in the locker

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Speaker 1: room per se? You see it, you know, time and

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Speaker 1: time again. I mean in any sport, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't think anybody can sit here and

428
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Speaker 1: say that the Golden State Warriors were the best team.

429
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Speaker 1: But there's a guy named Steph Curry that kind of

430
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Speaker 1: just brought everybody's play up around him, right, and that

431
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Speaker 1: team just kind of took off, right, And you could

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Speaker 1: say that with any professional sports team, and that that

433
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Speaker 1: that obviously goes back to the guy in any on

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Speaker 1: any team, right, And most of the time that's that quarterback, right,

435
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Speaker 1: So it is everything. Kyler's phenomenal. He's grown as a

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Speaker 1: player year in and year out since I've left, and

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Speaker 1: you know, he's obviously, you know, taking that next step

438
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Speaker 1: as a as a player and as a leader, and

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Speaker 1: so you know, I think the next step for him

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Speaker 1: is just kind of just really being able to grab

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Speaker 1: everybody around him, whether it's you just need one play

442
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Speaker 1: and whatever it is, and everybody's gonna, you know, just

443
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Speaker 1: look to him. And that's what it comes down to

444
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 1: and down in Tampa. I've never seen anything like it

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Speaker 1: with Tom. I mean, it was unbelievable what he was

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Speaker 1: able to do, what he was able to bring to

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Speaker 1: that locker room, but he was able to bring to

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Speaker 1: that team and just the focus, right, I mean, nobody

449
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Speaker 1: wanted to let him down, just the way that he

450
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Speaker 1: carried himself, the way that he held everybody else accountable.

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Speaker 1: So when you have a guy like that, you don't

452
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Speaker 1: want to let him down when it means so much,

453
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Speaker 1: when you watch what it means to him every second

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Speaker 1: of every day. When it's Sunday morning, you got to

455
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Speaker 1: one o'clock came and he's grabbing the skill guys and

456
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Speaker 1: meeting with them in the back room, going over you know,

457
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Speaker 1: four and five final, you know details that maybe he

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Speaker 1: thought of the night before, and you know all those things.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wants to just go out and just do a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. And when everybody else wants to do

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Speaker 1: a little bit more, and the guy that you're counting

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Speaker 1: on is already doing that, he brings everybody else up.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of what Tom was able to do.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully Kyler can get to that. And I mean

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Speaker 1: He's obviously continued to grow year after year, and you

466
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Speaker 1: know he's that that's going to be the next step

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Speaker 1: for him to take this group to the next level.

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Speaker 1: That's great at Q. Hey, you know you were a

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Speaker 1: fan favorite when you were playing here for the Cardinals. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think they all want to know. I want to know,

471
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Speaker 1: what's what's keeping you busy? Now it's football aside. What

472
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Speaker 1: what's what's kind of keeping you busy? What are you doing?

473
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Speaker 1: Where are you at right now? Yeah? So we we

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Speaker 1: we loved our time here in Arizona. We made we

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Speaker 1: made it full time. We live in Arcadia. Um. Love

476
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Speaker 1: it out here. I mean just love everything about it. Um.

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Speaker 1: Just had our third kid. Um, finally got a boy.

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Speaker 1: So I got a four year old and a two

479
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Speaker 1: year old girl, and then we got an eight week

480
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Speaker 1: old boy. Um. And you know, last year I gave

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Speaker 1: coaching to try and thought that was kind of gonna

482
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Speaker 1: be my my ticket. And I was so grateful for

483
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Speaker 1: Bruce Arians and that whole group kind of giving me

484
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Speaker 1: that opportunity to step from playing right into coaching, which

485
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Speaker 1: not many people get that opportunity. And I loved every

486
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Speaker 1: second of it. It's just I had a hard time

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Speaker 1: fathom and the fact that I wasn't seeing my kids,

488
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Speaker 1: and so we had bought a house here when I

489
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Speaker 1: played for the Cardinals and right before I signed with Tampa,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I have to talk it over with

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Speaker 1: my wife. We decided to come back here, make home here,

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Speaker 1: and just kind of figure it out. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's next, but for right now, I've just kind of

494
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Speaker 1: been enjoying playing dad and developed a really good relationship

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Speaker 1: with the backup center for the Buccaneers. The name is

496
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Speaker 1: Robert Hanzy. We drafted him out of Notre Dame last

497
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Speaker 1: year and he came out and worked out with me

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Speaker 1: for four or five weeks. I trained him for five

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Speaker 1: weeks in the spring, and then I got him again

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Speaker 1: right now leading up into training camp. So that's what's

501
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Speaker 1: kind of keeping me busy right now and then kind

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Speaker 1: of figure it out from there. What about as a

503
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Speaker 1: hard rock fan, are you working in mosh pits? Are

504
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Speaker 1: you still going to concert? Take you? I love my concerts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I stay away from the mosh pits. It's funny, yes, said,

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Speaker 1: I literally post up in the back right corner of

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Speaker 1: any even you I go to just kind of stay

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Speaker 1: away from all the all the action. I had enough

509
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Speaker 1: contact in my day, So just enjoy the music and

510
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Speaker 1: get out of the house. Get away from three screaming kids.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's stay away from the pickle ball too. You know

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Speaker 1: Fits and Drew stand those guys are killers in the

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Speaker 1: pickleball court. Okay, Hey, Drew's trying to get me in

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Speaker 1: every every one. So I always wants to go. At

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Speaker 1: five am. I'm like, all right, if we can, if

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Speaker 1: I need a little bit of sleep, we can push

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Speaker 1: this back a little bit. I'll go with us. Ay,

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Speaker 1: Q Man, we really enjoyed it. Great insight and great

519
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Speaker 1: to hear you're back in the AC Man. Congrats to

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Speaker 1: you in the family. Hey, I appreciate it. I I hope

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Speaker 1: to see you guys. Absolutely a Q Shipley, former Cardinals center.

522
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Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting stuff. Rob about what he said

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Speaker 1: heard the center position, and man, that is huge the

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Speaker 1: future of Rodney Hudson. And if not Rodney Hudson, then

525
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Speaker 1: who and how feasible is it if Justin Pugh is

526
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Speaker 1: the guy will kick that around and then your area

527
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Speaker 1: of expertise, linebacker. I want to hear what you have

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Speaker 1: to say about Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins. When we

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Speaker 1: continue the big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert,

530
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Speaker 1: we are satan Ford second and eleven under centers. Prescotty

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Speaker 1: Tanks dropping back and throwing to drop ball, steps up

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Speaker 1: and he gets away from a car right no runs,

533
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Speaker 1: Ford fum them all the forty and the Cardinals jump

534
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Speaker 1: on it at the forty four yard line. Dak coughed

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Speaker 1: it off and it's recovered by Arizona Off Dennis Gardak

536
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Speaker 1: has the ball. Isaiah Simmons popped it out, recovered by Gardak.

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Speaker 1: A huge play by Isaiah Simmons who came on the

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Speaker 1: flints and then missed the tackle attempt. Would continued to

539
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Speaker 1: follow Dad Prescott downfield and punched the pig out. What

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Speaker 1: a play by number nine. The athleticism is undeniable. Even

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Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks last year and said he there were times

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Speaker 1: he would look at Isaiah Simmons and Zavin Collins in

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Speaker 1: the linebacker room and just say, we got a couple

544
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Speaker 1: of unicorns right here. The question is what position are

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Speaker 1: Zavin Collins and Isaiah Simmons gonna play this year? And

546
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Speaker 1: maybe Rob Fredericks is gonna help us out with that

547
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Speaker 1: filling in for Ron Wolfley here on the Big Red

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Speaker 1: Rage presented by Satan Ford and Gilbert We are Satan

549
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Speaker 1: Or Special. Thanks Rob a Q. Shipley, former Cardinals center.

550
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Some great insights on center on Kyler on Tom Brady.

551
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: I loved how he sighted three hundred eighty pound Vita Vea.

552
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: You forget about that some of the dudes at nose

553
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Speaker 1: tackle that centers have to go against. I mean, he said,

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Speaker 1: when you're playing center and you're playing against him four

555
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: or three defense, you don't have anyone directly on you.

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Speaker 1: If I'm playing center, I'm praying for that man. I

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Speaker 1: one Vita Vea, Right, I'm right two inches from my

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Speaker 1: helmet at the snap man No way, all right, So

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Speaker 1: we know that position is a mental challenge. What about

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Speaker 1: this whole future of Isaiah Simmons and Zavin Collins, last

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Speaker 1: two first round picks. We saw Isaiah Simmons working more

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Speaker 1: with the safeties during the open media portions of offseason work.

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Speaker 1: And then Zaven Collins, we don't know exactly whether he's

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Speaker 1: going to be the mic linebacker calling this defense. Just

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Speaker 1: give us a sense as to what's realistic. Rob Considering

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Speaker 1: that Zaven Collins a Prittyo didn't get a lot of

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Speaker 1: snaps at mike linebacker last year. I mean, where should

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Speaker 1: he be? Where can he be in time for the

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Speaker 1: season opener against Casey? Well, you know, I think advance

570
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Speaker 1: Joseph and in these defensive coaches, they're they're gonna they're

571
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Speaker 1: gonna put the best players out there that give them

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Speaker 1: the best opportunity to be successful as a defense. UM

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Speaker 1: And and you saw that last year, you saw it

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Speaker 1: the year before with Isaiah Simmons. You know, if if

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Speaker 1: they're not ready, Zaven Collins last year, if they if

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Speaker 1: they're not ready, if they're injured, you can't play. You

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Speaker 1: can't put them out there. You can't play him in

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Speaker 1: that middle linebacker area. And that in that alignment because

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Speaker 1: you know, like Rodney Hudson is, is that valuable to

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Speaker 1: the offense. He's basically the quarterback of the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: calling the protections, calling UM the run blocks and where

582
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: everyone needs to be lined up. UM. The middle linebacker

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Speaker 1: does that for the defense. He's calling the coverages, he's

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Speaker 1: calling any changes based on motions and and shifts. The

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Speaker 1: middle linebacker has to be so plugged in to what's

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Speaker 1: happening pre snap. UM and then post snap obviously um

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Speaker 1: that that there's no absolute zero room for mental errors.

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00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: And when you have young guys. Isaiah Simmons really didn't

589
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Speaker 1: play a lot of linebacker in Clemson. He was more

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Speaker 1: kind of a slot corner and a deep safety, but

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Speaker 1: he did have some some opportunities where he was up

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Speaker 1: closer to the line of scrimmage. But then you try

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Speaker 1: to put him into that middle linebacker or inside outside,

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Speaker 1: inside kind of week side linebacker position, that's a different animal.

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Speaker 1: And I think it was a different animal for Xavin

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Speaker 1: Collins last year. And I'll give them that learning curve.

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Speaker 1: I'll give him that year. But your number one draft

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Speaker 1: picks on defense have to be solid starters. They have

599
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Speaker 1: to be solid contributors, and they need to be playing.

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Speaker 1: Quite honestly, seventy five to eighty plus percent of the

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Speaker 1: defensive snaps for the entire season. Was vance Joe Sevast

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Speaker 1: recently about his pair of young inside linebackers. Yes, he was.

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Speaker 1: And here's what the defensive coordinator had to say about

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Speaker 1: Zavin Collins and Isaiah Simmons. It's their time. You know,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah's going into his third years, Avan's going into a

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Speaker 1: second year. The first round picks to have to help us,

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Speaker 1: you know, And it's heading that way. You know. I've

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Speaker 1: been proud of the Zaven how much time he's put in.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah has always been a good worker, you know. It's

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Speaker 1: it's the next step for him. Obviously watching him last year,

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Speaker 1: he made plays, you know, but now he has to

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Speaker 1: make consistent plays and not give what plays. You know.

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Speaker 1: That's that's this next challenge, and for Zavan to stand

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Speaker 1: healthy and keep learning. But both guys are physically gifted,

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Speaker 1: you know, so we have to get those guys ready

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Speaker 1: to play because we need him. Wolf and I argued

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Speaker 1: about this a little bit, and you can go ahead

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Speaker 1: and you tell me if I'm off base. For me,

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Speaker 1: if both guys are on the field, I'm good with that.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need Zaven Collins to be the quarterback

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Speaker 1: of the defense and calling the plays and making the checks.

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Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily need Isaiah Simmons to be the

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Speaker 1: weak side inside linebacker. I just need those guys on

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Speaker 1: the field, two of the eleven and being able to

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Speaker 1: go sideline to sideline using their size and athleticism to

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Speaker 1: make plays. What's your take on that? You know, I

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00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: agree with you. With Isaiah, I think it's a little

628
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Speaker 1: easier to find a position for him if it's not

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Speaker 1: that that week side inside linebacker because he has played

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Speaker 1: so many multiple positions in college. Um, he can easily

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Speaker 1: transition to something else. Um. The difference is Zaven Collins,

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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure where to put him if it's

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00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: not that middle linebacker position. I don't necessarily see him

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Speaker 1: as an outside pass rush guy. So if it's not that,

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Speaker 1: I really don't know where you would put him. Now,

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Speaker 1: there are some capable linebackers in that room. Picking up

637
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Speaker 1: Nick Vigil I think I think that was a great

638
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: pick up Dennis Gardak coming off that knee surgery the

639
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: year before, coming off the last season. UM, you know,

640
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Speaker 1: Tanner Vallejo has been very effective when he's been gotten

641
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: opportunities get in there and get reps. And you have

642
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: Zeke Turner as well, So there's some other players that

643
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: can play those inside linebacker positions. I still think Zaven

644
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: Collins and Isaiah Simmons can do it and can do

645
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: it very well. And that's kind of going back to

646
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Speaker 1: my one of my opening statements on the show, PAULI,

647
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Speaker 1: when I said I wouldn't be surprised if we're starting

648
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: to you know, time time looking at some defensive tackle help.

649
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: The more you can keep those offensive linemen off of

650
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Speaker 1: those linebackers and allow them to be free runners and

651
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: use their athleticism. Man, that's a great defense. You know that,

652
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: That is what a great defense really needs. You know

653
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: you hear about um. You know Tony Saragosa rest in

654
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: peace yesterday what he did for Ray Lewis and that

655
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens defense. Ye man, I mean that you can't

656
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: you can't you know, understate that. You can't overstate that

657
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: it really it is the one of the most important

658
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: positions is to have those interior defensive linemen stout and

659
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: chewing up those offensive linemen and allowing athletic linebackers like

660
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Speaker 1: we have, allowing them free reign to run. Hey, think

661
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: about we just talked about Tampa with a Q Shipley.

662
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: Think about their Super Bowl winning sea and two years

663
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: ago and those two inside linebackers just flying around, especially

664
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. So you have guys like Vita Vea

665
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Speaker 1: and and Dominican Sue keep an offensive linemen off those

666
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Speaker 1: two inside backers and they flew around and you can't

667
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: tell me. That's not one of the reasons the Arizona

668
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Cardinals took in Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins. Right, if

669
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: it's a copycat league. You saw what a Devin White

670
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: and company did for Tampa and that defense. Now Zavin Collins,

671
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: obviously the challenge here is mentally, and he was pretty

672
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: honest with the media and said, yes, it has been

673
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: a process. Obviously, you know, last year didn't go as

674
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Speaker 1: you know everyone would want. But that's that's part of life,

675
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: just learning from those mistakes, applying them to now and

676
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: trying to get better, which I have. I think that

677
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: I've done a really good job in some of the

678
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: areas that I've messed up as far as you know,

679
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: mental errors or you know, stuff like that. I just wonder, Okay,

680
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to the reggor. He's not going to

681
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: see very much in the preseason in terms of advanced schemes.

682
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Nobody's showing anything offensively. Those reps is going to be valuable, sure,

683
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: but only to a certain degree. So he's not truly

684
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: going to be playing NFL football until Week one. How

685
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: risky is it to put him out there at mike

686
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: linebacker to what degree. Do you think Vans Joseph's is

687
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: willing to let his young middle linebacker learn on the job,

688
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: because I haven't seen much appetite for that from Vance.

689
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: You know, a guy like Zavian Collins, what he really needs,

690
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: he needs reps. I think Isaiah Simmons does too, especially

691
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: if they're gonna try to play them at those inside

692
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: linebacker positions. They need reps, and so they need all

693
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: the preseason reps they can get. Um, you're right, it's

694
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: gonna be rather vanilla. There's not gonna be a lot

695
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: of exotic formations and shifts and motions and and things

696
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: like that in the preseason. At least he wouldn't expect it.

697
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: So he's not going to get all those presnap you know,

698
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: change of change of strength, motions, changing the coverages on

699
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: a fly. He's not going to get a lot of that,

700
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think, because they're gonna want to keep things

701
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: vanilla defensively as well in the preseason. But yet he's

702
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna be able to see things. He's going to be

703
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: able to distinguish if those offensive alignemen are setting up

704
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: for run or versus pass, what do those blocks look like?

705
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: What does the flow of the running back. Look like

706
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to see that. He needs to

707
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: see as many of those reps as he can so

708
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: that he can kind of just make that second nature

709
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: for him and so we won't really have to think

710
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: out there. I think that's one of the things that

711
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: maybe kind of slowing these guys down in terms of

712
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: their maturation process is just overanalyzing, overthinking things versus just

713
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: reacting and going and trusting your instincts. Rob Frederickson in

714
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: Forron Woefully, long time outside linebacker in the NFL. So

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Speaker 1: give me a quick thought on where you think the

716
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Cardinals are right now at that position, because a month

717
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: ago we would have said, okay, you know, before the

718
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: tragic death of Jeff Gladney, now the Rodney Hudson situation,

719
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 1: if there was going to be a kind time sign,

720
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: most likely it would be an edge guy. Where do

721
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: you think the Cardinals are right now? With Marcus Golden,

722
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: then opposite him a Devon Kinard, a Dennis Gardeck, and

723
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: then pair around three rookies. Yeah, I look at these rookies.

724
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: They're interesting. You know that Cameron Thomas and and my

725
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: g Sanders. Uh, you know Cameron Thomas, He's he's got

726
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: some size to him. And and I think if um,

727
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: he's got the ability he was he was pretty productive

728
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Speaker 1: in college, so he's got the he's got the ability

729
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: to to really make an impact I think early on.

730
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Speaker 1: And and Sanders he's got some speed coming off the edge.

731
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Speaker 1: He's a little raw. Um, I think he's somebody that

732
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: that might take a little bit more time. But um,

733
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Speaker 1: you know, I kind of think it's going to be,

734
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, like it was two years ago. It kind

735
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: of when you know, when Chandler Jones went down with

736
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: the bicep injury, it was it was kind of a

737
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: it was kind of a sack by committee operation, and

738
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: you saw what Dennis Gardeck was able to do back

739
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: then when he was healthy and kind of caught some

740
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: people by surprise. Um, you know, you may see some

741
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: of that, you know, advanced. Joseph is certainly good at

742
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: coming up with schemes and finding ways to apply pressure.

743
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: But anytime you do that, anytime you bring more than

744
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: four defenders on a pass rush, you're really putting an

745
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: onus on your secondary, on your linebackers in terms of coverage,

746
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: and that's where everybody's going to be on the same page,

747
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: and everybody's got to really understand what their roles and

748
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 1: responsibilities are. If if those five guys can't get home,

749
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: it's really putting a lot of pressure on on those

750
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: back end guys. And you're right. Two twenty, Chandler Jones

751
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: went down Week five at the Jets. Cardinals still ended

752
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: up top five in sacks as a defense, and you know,

753
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: Vance Joseph has been there and done that. There were

754
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: eighteen different players who had at least one sack in

755
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: two twenty for the arison our Cardinals, and there were

756
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: a dozen guys who had at least two sacks. Think

757
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: about that. And Kyle Vanabosh was on earlier, a guy

758
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: who made his living rushing the passer. Just saying how

759
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: different all the Cardinals edge rushers are opposite Marcus Golden

760
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: mother Stevan Kannard, or a Dennis Gardeck who's more of

761
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: a pit bull the size and power of a Cameron Thomas,

762
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: long lean athletic my j Sanders. So maybe you just

763
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: keep changing it up on that tackle out the course

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Speaker 1: of a game. Hey, a reminder, Cardinal season tickets are

765
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: available now. Go to Easy Cardinals Dot com slash season

766
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: for more info, Hollywood Brown, what can Brown do for

767
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: you in this offense? We'll talk about that next. It

768
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: is the Big Red Rage Rob Frederickson in from Ron

769
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: Wolfley and all presented by Santan four angle brush shout

770
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: of downs on the OEU twenty five yard line, Murray

771
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: on play action going dufour, Hollywood on touchdown centers seventy

772
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: five yards to a past this guy on the fields,

773
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: Kyler's Heisman campaign to one of his best friends, Hollywood Brown.

774
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: And yes, Dave Pash was on the call for ESPN's

775
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: twenty years plus as the voice of the Cardinals, so

776
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: Dave has been there and done that. When it comes

777
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: to this new combo between Kyler and Hollywood Brown, it

778
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: is the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert.

779
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: We are Satan forward, Paul Calvc or Rob Frederickson pinch

780
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: hitting for Ron Wolfley and Rob. It was hard not

781
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: to notice throughout OTAs number one thrown to number two,

782
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: and it was just the chemistry they already have. When

783
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: Cliff Thingsbury talks about how they can already make eye

784
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: contact and make adjustments, hand signals already exist. I mean,

785
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: look We've talked about this. You can go get a

786
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: first round Rickey receiver and he can be as talented

787
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: as anything, but there's gonna be that learning curve for

788
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: any rookie receiver. And this is about as plug and

789
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: play as it gets for a brand new player into

790
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: your offense. Oh, it's it's cheating. It's almost cheated. It's

791
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: like you looking over my shoulder in math class, Paully,

792
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: and trying to, you know, get my answers. But well,

793
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: I'd rather have your Michigan State tutor actually than you,

794
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: but because we know your tutor did all your homework anyway,

795
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 1: But go ahead, okay, all right, yeah, Cal, I'm sorry,

796
00:39:54,440 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: your academic assistant. I'm sorry, Yeah, my academic assistant. That's right. Yes, Look, obviously,

797
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: the first six games you're gonna be without DeAndre Hopkins

798
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: and to have Hollywood Brown and someone that has a

799
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: familiarity with Kyler and and just that bond that they've

800
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: they've had for years at Oklahoma, and for him to

801
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: to for the Cardinals to make that move to bring

802
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: in Hollywood Brown, knowing that this was coming down the

803
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: pike for DeAndre Hopkins, I think that it was a

804
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: it was an unbelievable move by the Cardinals, and to

805
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: pick up a talent as young as Hollywood Brown is

806
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: um and he really you know, you think about it

807
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: and look at look at him statistically, he doesn't have

808
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: a lot of wear on those tires. Um. You know,

809
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: it's it's it's basically like him coming in and being

810
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: a rookie all over again. I mean, think about that

811
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Speaker 1: Baltimore offense, right, Greg Roman's offense, it was it was

812
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: run first, second, and third. Uh. The fourth option was

813
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: a tight end, The fifth option was Lamar Jackson, the

814
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: sixth option was a tight end again, and then it

815
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Speaker 1: was Hollywood Brown. Right. I mean, I think that's why

816
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: the Cardinals feel they can they can still unlock a

817
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: lot of potential out of Hollywood Brown. In fact, here's

818
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury just on Marcus Brown's big playability. He can

819
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: stretch the defense. There's no doubt vertically. I mean, he

820
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: can really roll. He had a bunch of big plays

821
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: last year, could have had more. I felt like, um,

822
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: that's an aspect you know, hav An aj Rondo him,

823
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: Guys that can can stretch the field from all angles

824
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: is going to be good for us because Rob you

825
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: know this Christian Kirk Okay, he maybe wasn't quite as

826
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: fast as Hollywood Brown, but he's still had wheels, but

827
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't that effective as an outside receiver. He was

828
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: much better in the slot, whereas Hollywood Brown is legit

829
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: X receiver in this offense. Yeah, Hollywood's going to be outside.

830
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Speaker 1: Even when DeAndre Hopkins comes back, Hollywood's still going to

831
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: be outside, and that's really where he belongs. And and

832
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: you're right to have a to have a wide receiver

833
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: that could stretch that field consistently and and with the

834
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Speaker 1: with the long throwing ability and accuracy. If Kyler Murray

835
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: as you talked about earlier, um to have that that

836
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: threat there and consistently have that threat there, that's going

837
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: to open up so many things underneath for Deandrey Hopkins,

838
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: for Zach Ertz, Trey McBride, Rondell Moore. We haven't talked

839
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Speaker 1: about Rondell Moore yet, but you know, finding a role

840
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: maybe in the slot receiver position for Rondell Moore I

841
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: think is really gonna help him and this offense tremendously

842
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: this year, especially if we can believe Sean Jefferson what

843
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: he told us a couple months ago on the Big

844
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Speaker 1: Red Rage and Cliff Kingsbury that they're definitely gonna get

845
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Speaker 1: Rondelle more more targets downfield. And I see those two

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Speaker 1: guys pushing each other. I see that dynamic, right, Both

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Speaker 1: the other thing too, is you know, Hollywood Brown was

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Speaker 1: who got that bracket coverage. Well, when d hop comes back,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get a lot of single coverage. Look Out.

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Speaker 1: This offense is stacked with talent on the outside. Really

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Speaker 1: the skill positions on his offense. It's stacked, and so really,

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Speaker 1: I think that the challenge will be finding ways to

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Speaker 1: spread that ball around number one and ensuring that this

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Speaker 1: offense doesn't become predictable. You know, a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: we became rather predictable going to DeAndre Hopkins on the

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Speaker 1: left side, he basically ran three different routes. We can't

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Speaker 1: allow that to kind of creep back in to this

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Speaker 1: to find a way to really keep defense on their

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Speaker 1: and let them do their thing. And you know, we

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Speaker 1: the Red Sea Report last month and just talked about

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Speaker 1: how the last two seasons down the stretch the offense

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Speaker 1: said a couple of things. He said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: when the Cardinals offense bogged down last season, they couldn't

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Speaker 1: first half of the season. Absolutely, But then he added

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Speaker 1: the tight ends won't show your hand as much. Hence

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Speaker 1: the emphasis on that position in the offseason. Well, think

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Speaker 1: about Trey McBride bringing him in as a second round pick.

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Speaker 1: He won the Mackey Award ball as the nation's best

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Speaker 1: tight end. He's pretty darn good. He can pass block,

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Speaker 1: he can run block, and he can he can get

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Speaker 1: the ball down the field he can receive, so I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to see what he does. Of course, we know

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Speaker 1: what zach Ertz can do, and hopefully getting Max Williams

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