1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, an All American teen star 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: athlete dead after a depraved sextortion scam. 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: In Cross Lanes, West Virginia, fifteen year old Brice Tate 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 3: explores social media like any teenager, unaware of the hidden 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: dangers that threaten to isolate and endanger him. 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: It's overwhelming, overwhelming to parents like me who have incredible 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: scrubbed and sunshine all American teen children, to discover your 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: child dead and then to learn is because of literally 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: I had to look for the right word to describe 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: this a depraved sextortion scheme. 13 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 4: Listen, they'll go onto their social media accounts, gather their 14 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 4: friends list, and that's who they tell them they're going 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: to release to. So once you feel like the world's 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 4: going to know what's going to happen, and you feel 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 4: like you're you know, you have no other way to 18 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 4: turn to. Unfortunately a lot of kids in this country 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 4: take their own love. It is Detective Pain of the 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: concae Shoft's office who did the forensic examination on the 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: cell phone and was able to find that Bryce was 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 4: going through a complicated ordeal called sex torsion. 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: The seventeen year old girl texting Bryce quickly escalates. She 24 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 3: sends Bryce racy photos and asks him to reciprocate. Afraid 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 3: to lose her attention, Bryce eventually gives in to her request, 26 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: and the script immediately flips. The texture, reveals themselves as 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: a scammer, and threatens to send Bryce's explicit photos to 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: everyone he knows unless Bryce pays five hundred dollars. 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: It's just too much for a young teen, especially a 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: very naive young teen. 31 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: To take in. And now this boy, a boy is dead. 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: You just heard chargeant Jeremy Burn speaking TOSAZ. Before I 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: go straight out to our investigative journalist, Melissa McCarty, I 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: want to go to a very special guest. Joining me 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: is Jennifer Butta, the mother of Jordan to May, a 36 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: victim of sex stortion. Jennifer, after all your crusading, after 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: everything you have been through, it never ends, It never ends. 38 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: When I heard this, you were the first person I thought. 39 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 5: Of, Yeah, it just keeps happening to our children. When 40 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 5: I heard about this case, I was very triggered by 41 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 5: it because emotionally I have stood in those parents shoes. 42 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 5: I'm still standing in them, and I'm angry that this 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 5: continues to happen to our children. And when is enough 44 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 5: going to be enough and someone will step in to 45 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 5: prevent this from taking our kids' life. 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: Jennifer, I want other parents and other teens to hear 47 00:02:53,720 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: what you have to say after Jordan, your baby following 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: literally a depraved sextortion scheme. That night at supper, I 49 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: sat down with the twins and we talked. A little 50 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: girl at their school had sent topless photos around, and 51 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: of course, the one guy that got the photos sent 52 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: them to everybody, and the little girl was totally shamed. 53 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: And I said, guys, this happens. Sometimes you're talking to 54 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: somebody and they'll want a picture of you and you 55 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: send it. I've got to tell you about Jordan. And 56 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: they were stunned and they didn't want to talk about it, 57 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: but I told them about it, and I brought him 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: up many times since then. Could you tell the viewers, 59 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: parents like me and young teens what happened to Jordan. 60 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 5: Jordan was contacted by an alleged female on social media, 61 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 5: and after sending some messages back and forth regaining his trust, 62 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 5: he thought he was talking to this beautiful young lady who. 63 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: Had mutual friends with him. 64 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 5: This person asked Jordan to send an explicit photo. Once 65 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 5: he did, the whole script flipped and immediately they started 66 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 5: demanding money from him. It started with one thousand dollars. 67 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 5: He did eventually send them three hundred dollars, but it 68 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 5: wasn't enough, and they kept putting the pressure on him 69 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 5: for hours until he finally said I'm going to take 70 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 5: my own life, and they encouraged it, saying we're going 71 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 5: to watch you die a miserable death. And my son 72 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 5: did take his own life within six hours. 73 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: Now it has happened again. It has happened over and 74 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: over and. 75 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: Over, and I want you to see what this young 76 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: boy's mom has left. 77 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 2: Now, mommy's here. 78 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 6: Look at your windmail. 79 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 7: Go watch. 80 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 8: Bunny, and you're texts onto. There's been a lot of snow. 81 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 9: Buddy's son. 82 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: I almost couldn't play that because that is Amanda and Idam, 83 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: Amanda and Adam speaking to their boy just fifteen. 84 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 2: In the snow at his grave. Listen. 85 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 10: Bryce is Amanda and Adam Tate's only child and the 86 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 10: apple of their eye. The fifteen year old is a 87 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 10: sophomore at Nitral High School in Cross Lanes, a standout student, 88 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 10: star basketball player, funny goofy, and a Christian Fellowship youth leader. 89 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 10: When Bryce isn't in school, he's lifting weights at the gym, 90 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 10: shooting hoops, or spending time with his loving family. 91 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: Him in life, and then after this deadly depraved sextortion scam, 92 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: he is dead and his mother and father visit him 93 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: at the cemetery. 94 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 3: On a Thursday afternoon, Bryce heads to the gym after school. 95 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: If Bryce gets at the texture claims she's a junior 96 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: at another high school and has seen Bryce at the 97 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 3: gym before. She knows some of his friends who told 98 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 3: her about his impressive basketball skills and wanted to introduce herself. 99 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: The teens flirt back and forth all afternoon. 100 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 11: Bryce comes home from the gym, still engrossed in his 101 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 11: tanks conversation with the pretty stranger. Brynce has thrilled ats 102 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 11: taco night and has plenty of appetite, happily chatting with 103 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 11: his parents at the dinner table. After clearing the table, 104 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 11: Bryce heads outside to shoose some hoops, but he's distracted 105 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 11: by his new. 106 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: Friend, Sidney Sumner. Crime Stories investigative reporter. What happened? 107 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 12: Bryce Tate was texted by a beautiful seventeen year old 108 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 12: girl who convinced him she went to a high school 109 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 12: in town. She name drops his friends in this conversation, 110 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 12: saying she knows them in passing. They've mentioned Bryce before, 111 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 12: gave him gave his phone number to her because she 112 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 12: was interested in maybe having a relationship with him at 113 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 12: some point. So these teens have a conversation. They're flirting, 114 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 12: she's escalating, and within three hours, this girl reveals herself 115 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 12: as a scammer and wants five hundred dollars from Bryce 116 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 12: to not send nude photos that he gave her to 117 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 12: everyone he knows. And this fifteen year old boy, who 118 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 12: only has thirty dollars in his bank account is pushed 119 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 12: to suicide because they tell him they will ruin his life. 120 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 10: Just after seven pm, Amanda and Adam Tait are shocked 121 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 10: by the sound of a gunshot and rush into Adam's 122 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 10: man cave. They're happy teenager shot himself. The hysterical parents 123 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 10: call nine one one, but Bryce was gone the moment 124 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 10: he pulled the trigger. What no one understands is why 125 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 10: Bryce would take his own life. 126 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 4: He is on November six that the parents of Bryce 127 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: Tate had called nine one one because their son had 128 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 4: taken his own life with a firearm. 129 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: You were hearing, Sergeant Jeremy Burns from our friends at 130 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: WHS to Tanya Jordan joining a special guest, the chief 131 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: parent officer at Bark Parental. 132 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: She's the author of parenting in a tech world. 133 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: It's just too much for a teen that young to 134 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: take in that if a naked photo of them or 135 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: a body part of them goes out to their family 136 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: or their friends, people at school, death would be better 137 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: than that. They can't understand what's happening. But to Tanya, 138 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: this is happening all over the country. 139 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: This scammer, this scammer. 140 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: That might as well have held a gun to this 141 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: teen boy's head, had thousands and thousands of teen children, 142 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: boys and girls that he was targeting. 143 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: How does it happen? Explain to me how it happened. 144 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: And I told my children right to their face, I've 145 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: seen all your body parts since you were born. I 146 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: don't care if I get a picture of your body part, 147 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: don't care. 148 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: This is what happened. 149 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: To Jordan to make this is what happened to Bryce 150 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: and I name out people their age and this has 151 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: happened to but children that young to Tellia, they don't understand. 152 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 13: Our brains are not fully formed until we're in our 153 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 13: mid twenties, and so children are not capable because of 154 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 13: their prefrontal cortex to make the right decisions all the time. 155 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 13: They need to know that they can come to it 156 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 13: at any time and let you know about bad things 157 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 13: that have happened, and you're not going to smack the 158 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 13: phone out of their hand or ground them for a year, 159 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 13: because to your point, it is not better to die 160 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 13: by suicide than to have to fess up to this 161 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 13: shameful and embarrassing decision. It's also not their fault because 162 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 13: they're being targeted. They're being targeted on Instagram, on TikTok, 163 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 13: on text message, on roadblocks, on discord, YouTube, you name it. 164 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 13: They're being targeted everywhere, and they think that they've made 165 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 13: a connection, a potential love interest. It is normal for 166 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 13: them to feel this excitement, but it's not normal to 167 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 13: have such odds stacked against them, and so it's just 168 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 13: it's heartbreaking. 169 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: You know. 170 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: Melissa McCarty joining US renowned investigative journalist and author, Melissa again, 171 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Melissa. The scammer gets 172 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: into their social media, the victims social media, they friend 173 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: all their friends, they find out who they are chatting with, 174 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: who's on their list. 175 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: You on Insta, you can. 176 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: See everybody that you're friends with and threaten to expose 177 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: the child to them with the child's own naked photo. 178 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: They have tweedled out of them. What happened here, Melissa. 179 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 8: This was a targeted operation and it's a wide skill operation. 180 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 8: These scammers how they work, and just like you say, 181 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 8: they look into the social media. It's easy for them 182 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 8: to earn his trust by saying I know you from 183 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 8: the gym, we have mutual friends. They've already done a 184 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 8: surveillance on his life before targeting him. So when they 185 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 8: reached out and he received that random text messages from 186 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 8: an unknown number at four point thirty like any other day, 187 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 8: it was someone posing, a scammer posing as a teenage girl. 188 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 8: So that conversation was able to move so quickly and 189 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 8: escalate so fast because Bryce Tate ended up getting one 190 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 8: hundred and twenty text messages within a three hour time 191 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 8: span before he ended up taking his life. And the 192 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 8: operation is to put him in a state of panic 193 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 8: so he can't do anything but act in an irrational 194 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 8: way to where he doesn't have time to think. He 195 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 8: just acted. And it's the fear organized operation targeting young teenagers. 196 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: While you were talking, Melissa McCarty, all I can think 197 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: about is my own boy, John David two. Doctor Sherry 198 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: Schwartz joining us forensic psychologist at Pantheromitigation dot com. Doctor Sherry, 199 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: I have thousands and thousands of videos of my son 200 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: and daughter, but she's more reticent than my son. I've 201 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: got photos videos just like that of him crazy dancing 202 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: all over the house, of me in the front yard 203 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: saying run. 204 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 2: John David, Run, Run, run as fast as. 205 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: You can, and we video him and it never got old, 206 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: running around the front yard, just the two of them. 207 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: So full of joy and life. And that's all this. 208 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: Mom and dad have left watching those videos. 209 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: Over and over. 210 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: And you know how many videos I've got them at 211 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: the cemetery. It's it's heartbreaking and I'll circle back to Titania. 212 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: But doctor Sherry, a lot of parents don't want to 213 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: tell their children. They don't want to think, oh, my 214 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: child might send a nude photo my child might send 215 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: a topless photo. 216 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: It happens in this world, but you don't want your 217 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: child dead. 218 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: And did you hear what Melissa McCarty was saying in 219 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: Sidney summer that he was bombarded. I think he got 220 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: up to around three hundred, but I know in the 221 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: space of like an hour he got one hundred and 222 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: twenty threatening text messages. Your life will be ruined. I 223 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: will make sure I ruin your life. What will your 224 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: family say when they see your penis? What will your family? 225 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: What will your mom think about you? Then get the money? 226 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: It just it's horrible, doctor Sherry. 227 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 14: It's horrible, and it's a tactic designed to not give 228 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 14: the child a chance to think. It's used on adults too, 229 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 14: and it's a pretty effective tactic. Right when I want 230 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 14: you to do something and I want to take control 231 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 14: of your life, I'm just going to bombard you and 232 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 14: not give you a moment to think about how to 233 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 14: solve the problem without giving me exactly what I want. 234 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 14: This is classic predatory behavior, grooming the child to get 235 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 14: these photos and making them think they're a friend appear, 236 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 14: and then turning around and saying, now I'm going to 237 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 14: blow up your life. I'm going to ruin your life 238 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 14: and to continue to bombard you with these messages and 239 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 14: a child. One of your guests said about the brain 240 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 14: development and not having good impulse control, which is true, 241 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 14: and so you wouldn't think, let me put down the phone. 242 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 14: You're nervous and you're thinking about how to solve the problem. 243 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 8: It's just horrible. 244 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: And you know, another thing got to Sherry Schwartz when 245 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: we're at the supper table and we're talking about this 246 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: kid and that kid that all go to school with John, 247 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: David and Lucy, and they'll. 248 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: Say, well, so and so is dating so and so. 249 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, they don't even drive. What do you mean 250 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: they're dating, They're just talking. 251 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, what talking on the phone. 252 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: And they're like, no, No, their Insta, their Snapchatre. 253 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: That's dating in their minds. And these scammers. 254 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: Can go on the victims wherever they are on install 255 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: on Snapchat, and they can see very easily. 256 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: Who they have friended. I'll just use that. 257 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: Term, although it doesn't apply to everything. And then they 258 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: can then find out all this what the child thinks 259 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: is private info. 260 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: Oh, I go to ABC school, I. 261 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: Play soccer, I play football, I'm in the cooking club 262 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: and so forth, and so on, and so when the 263 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: scammer speaks to the child, the scammer has enough information 264 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: to make it seem real. 265 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: It really is a cute girl from the high school 266 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: across town. 267 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 14: That's how it happens, exactly, That's exactly how it happens. 268 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 14: In fact, one of the pieces of advice that police 269 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 14: will give out to school age children their parents is 270 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 14: don't write their name on their backpack. It's the same 271 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 14: principle because a predator can call out their name, Hey, Alyssa, 272 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 14: and the child doesn't realize, oh, it's on my backpack, 273 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 14: so that's where the predator got it. It's it's the 274 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 14: same idea the child doesn't think about, Oh I posted 275 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 14: these things on my social media and this person could 276 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 14: be using this against me. 277 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 15: Hey Bryce, let me tell him this. Hey Bryce, mommy 278 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 15: need to put these tell girl boots on, because you 279 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 15: wouldn't believe it at our house as wearing tennis shoes. 280 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 15: After we went to the gym and I busted my 281 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 15: butt twice. 282 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 16: Yes, she didn't get hurt. 283 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 9: She's all right. 284 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 15: You hurt my back and everything. 285 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: I love you, Bryce, Bryce Tait a high school honor 286 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: student enjoys sports and family time, but his safety is 287 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: threatened when a text from an unknown number, beinging to 288 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: be a neighborhood girl, lures him into sending explicit photos, 289 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 3: unaware it's a digital deception for financial gain. 290 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: Joining me is Joe Cunningham, high profile lawyer who specializes 291 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: in sextortion cases, who has previously represented the family of 292 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: Timothy Barnett, who is the. 293 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: Thirteen thirteen, one three. 294 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: Year old victim of this type of scam, a deadly scam, 295 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 1: and you can find him at Joe Cunningham Law dot com. Joe, 296 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I wish we were 297 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: speaking under different circumstances, but in the case, one of 298 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: the many cases that you've handled, it struck me that 299 00:17:53,359 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: Tim Timmy Timothy Barnett was just thirteen years old, young 300 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: to even process what's happening. And then as parents find 301 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: him dead and. 302 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 2: It doesn't end. 303 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: You know, you would think, Joe Cunningham, that once you 304 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: put out a psa public service announcement and you publicize it, 305 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: and I publicize it and it's on all the news outlets, 306 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: that parents would talk to their children and children would understand, 307 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: but they're too young to understand. 308 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 17: Joe, explain, that's true, Nancy, and these cases are some 309 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 17: of the most emotionally tough cases that I deal with. They, 310 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 17: you know, they follow a similar pattern and a similar script, 311 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 17: and the results are always just shattering. I mean, I'm 312 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 17: a I'm a parent, you're a parent, And I got 313 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 17: a committee Nancy for ringing the bell on this issue 314 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 17: so early on, and it still amazed me how many 315 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 17: parents have no idea about these sextortion schemes that are 316 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 17: going on, and how just how evil they are as well. 317 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 17: I can't think of anybody more evil than those people 318 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 17: on the other side of their phones or their computer screens. 319 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 17: Who are you know, have these schemes ongoing to try 320 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 17: to attack the most vulnerable people in this world are children. 321 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Guys. Joe Cunningham is with us. 322 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: He's joining us out of Charleston, South Carolina, handles cases 323 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: like this all over the country. 324 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: To Todd Shipley joining US. 325 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: Digital cybercrime expert former detective in Reno, Nevada, PD twenty 326 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: five years in LA and author of Surviving a cyber Attack, 327 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: Securing Social Media, Protecting Your Home, Investigating Internet crimes and 328 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: on and on. Todd, thank you for being with us, 329 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: Todd after joining us today, Todd, I don't know if 330 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: you heard her. Is Jennifer Buta and Jennifer's son, Jordan 331 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: DeMay was one of the first cases like this I investigated, Todd. 332 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: And about two weeks after that, Todd, my producer sent 333 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: me at tain sextortion case and I said, we just 334 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: covered that. Do you not remember, Jennifer, we just did that, 335 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: and she said, this is a different one. And then 336 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: it hit me like a ton of bricks. Todd Shipley, 337 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: how common this is? 338 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: Todd. 339 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 16: It's too common, and that becomes the problem that these 340 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 16: scammers have figured out a different way to try to 341 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 16: go after our children. And that's why I write about 342 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 16: it my latest book about how to protect our kids 343 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 16: and what to look for, because there are sometimes signs 344 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 16: that these things are occurring, and we've got to be 345 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 16: better about trying to figure out what's happening to our 346 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 16: children because these attackers prey on them every day, and 347 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 16: they're going out there constantly looking for this kind of 348 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 16: thing to get small amounts of money relatively, but they're 349 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 16: having a huge impact on our children, and it's terrible. 350 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 4: It's straight up blackmail, is what it is. It's blackmail, 351 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 4: it's cyberbullying, it's extortion. There's so many things going on 352 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: at this and it puts fear in the kids, into 353 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 4: their hearts and minds. 354 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 11: In the twenty minutes before taking his own life, Bryce 355 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 11: receives one hundred and twenty text messages from the sextortionist. 356 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 11: Bryce offers the only money he has access to, thirty dollars, 357 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 11: but the sextortionist tells him it isn't enough. The person 358 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 11: on the other side of the phone actually encourages Bryce 359 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 11: to kill himself, writing his life is already over. 360 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 3: Adam and Amanda Tape devastated, unable to pick up the 361 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: Christmas gifts already underneath the tree. Bryce knew he could 362 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: confide in them about anything. The scammer's ability to shatter 363 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: that bond so quickly is a testament to their insidious power. 364 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: From our friends at WHS to Jennifer Buttah joining us, 365 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: Jordan de May's mother who has gone on a crusade 366 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: after she lost her a boy to a sextortionist. And 367 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, Jennifer, sextortion really is. It's a euphemism It's 368 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,679 Speaker 1: like putting perfume on the pig. Because the torture that 369 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: Jordan went through, the emotional and mental torture he went through, 370 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: and before he killed himself, it's excruciating. Explain to the 371 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: listeners and viewers how you discovered that Jordan was dead. 372 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 5: Jordan sent me a text message at three forty one 373 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 5: in the morning that said mother, I love you, and 374 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 5: when I got up the next morning and saw it, 375 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 5: I texted him back. He did not respond. I texted 376 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 5: him a second time. He didn't respond. And Jordan and 377 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 5: I were very very close. He would always respond to me, 378 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 5: and something just told me things were very wrong. Because 379 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 5: Jordan would respond. I texted him a third time, and 380 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 5: when he didn't respond, I reached out to his girlfriend 381 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 5: to see if he was at school. Then I contacted 382 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 5: his dad, and his dad found him in his bedroom 383 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 5: and he had taken his own life. 384 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 18: Ogashi, pretending to be this young woman, persuaded Jordan to 385 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 18: send a sexually explicit image of himself. Once Samuel Ogashi 386 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 18: had that sexually explicit image in his hand, he then 387 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 18: turned to extort Jordan de May for money, threatening to 388 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 18: reveal the image to Jordan's family and friends if he 389 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 18: did not comply. 390 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 19: This is something that probably would would have been laughing 391 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 19: about in ten or fifteen years, after he's graduated college 392 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 19: and gotten married and had kids and bought his first 393 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 19: home and got a career job and did all the things. 394 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 19: You'd look back and kind of like that was stipid, right, 395 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 19: But in that moment, you can't. They're not old enough 396 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 19: to understand that. They're not developed enough to understand. 397 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: You're hearing Jordan's dad as John May speaking back to 398 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: Jordan's mother, Jennifer, you know what John's right. Years ahead 399 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: they would say, hey, can you remember when I said 400 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: that naked picture? 401 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: What was I thinking? 402 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: And everyone would have laughed, and even if it was 403 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: even mentioned, it would just be, you know, a blip 404 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: on the radar, a speedbot that happened ten years before. 405 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: You and Jordan had a very very close relationship. What 406 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: did this scammer say to him that made him feel 407 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: his only choice was death. 408 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 5: They flooded Jordan with messages as well, and they put 409 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 5: pressure on by having a countdown so he would have 410 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 5: to do things within a certain period of time, and 411 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 5: it really ramped up the anxiety for him. He was 412 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 5: begging them to stop. He was begging for his own life. 413 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 5: And when he was worn out and could not go 414 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 5: anymore and said he would take his own life, they 415 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 5: encouraged that, and in the middle of the night, my 416 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 5: son took his own life alone. And that's something that 417 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 5: no child should have to go through. 418 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: This no child to Tanya Jordan Bark, Rental Control Chief 419 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: Parent Officer. 420 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 2: And I have BARK. 421 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: I know I'm not a paid ambassador or sponsor, but 422 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: Bark is a feature you put on your child's devices 423 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: and every time. 424 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: It's so very word sensitive. 425 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: And I use this example because it's the best example 426 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: I can think of. 427 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: I got an alert. 428 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: I nearly fell off my chair because I was sitting 429 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: right here in the studio in a break. I looked 430 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: over and I got a BARK alert that John David 431 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: had communicated about self harm. 432 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: I'm like what. 433 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: I immediately, you know, stopped the taping and I looked. 434 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: He is a soccer goalie and he saved a goal 435 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: and it was really hard. He did a horizontal dive. 436 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: Of course I have a picture of it. He's completely 437 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: horizontal and his arm went through the net and he 438 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: got a big bruise and he go in the picture 439 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: it's him showing. 440 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: Off of Bruce. 441 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: He goes, it was worth that, and he's talking about 442 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: he made the save. But when I saw self harm, 443 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: I was so upset. And when I'm trying to think, 444 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: that's how sensitive it is. The other day I got 445 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: one t Tarnia an alert of an ugly word or 446 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: something to do with sex. I'm like, oh, I looked 447 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: at it. 448 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: Guess what it was. The Nancy Gray Show. 449 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: We were talking about Sean Combs and he is a 450 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: subscriber and it came up on Bark. I'm like, that said, 451 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you, to Tanya, because you 452 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: deal with this every day. You can explain better than 453 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: I can't. And maybe Joe Cunningham can explain it as well. 454 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: How the scammer, this person like in George's case, Agashi, 455 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: Samuel Agashi far thousands of miles away. How does he 456 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: know what's happening in the target's life. 457 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 2: How did he notice? Say? 458 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Julie from West Side High and I've been 459 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: to your soccer gaming. You're awesome, And I know your 460 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: friends Johnny and Devin and may I know them? 461 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: We all go to the same blah. Blah blah blah. 462 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: How do they get the information on the target to 463 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: make themselves so believable. 464 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 13: You know, it starts with us, It starts with the parents. 465 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 13: We are curating a digital footprint for our children. So 466 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 13: it's very important if and when you post anything about 467 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 13: your child online a think twice, be you only post privately. 468 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 13: Do not make anything public on your Instagram, on your Facebook, please, 469 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 13: because they will go to the parents' accounts to figure 470 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 13: out what they put about their kids. Then if your 471 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 13: children have social media, which I don't recommend until at 472 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 13: least they're sixteen years old, they need to have private accounts. 473 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 13: These sextortionists and predators and pedophiles can find your children 474 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 13: very easily online, especially because even if they have a 475 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 13: private account on Instagram, they can put in their bio 476 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 13: you know, find me on Snapchat and their username. They 477 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 13: leave little breadcrumbs and trails. The predators can see who 478 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 13: they're connected to, befriend them, and it only takes one 479 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 13: or two acceptance or accepting of a friend request or 480 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 13: a quick ad on snap to help them put the 481 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 13: puzzle pieces together to give them just enough information to 482 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 13: pretend to be a peer of your child. And trick them. 483 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 13: Good kids make bad choices. Smart children are being fooled 484 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 13: every day. The FBI has reported that sextortion is a 485 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 13: that we all need to be paying attention to, and 486 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 13: it's time for parents to wake up. 487 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: He was on November six that the parents of Bryce 488 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 4: Tate had called nine one one because their son had 489 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 4: taken his own life with a firearm. 490 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 10: Just after seven pm. Amanda and Adam Tate are shocked 491 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 10: by the sound of a gunshot and rush into Adam's 492 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 10: man cave. Their happy teenager shot himself. The hysterical parents 493 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 10: called nine one one, but Bryce was gone the moment 494 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 10: he pulled the trigger. What no one understands is why 495 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 10: Bryce would take his own life. 496 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: In just three hours. The interaction escalates to the unimaginable. 497 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: After being pressured into sending explicit photos, they demanded five 498 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 3: hundred dollars or they would release the photo to family 499 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 3: and friends. When Bryce said he didn't have the money, 500 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: their tax turned deadly. 501 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: This horrific sixtortion, I call it a murder on the 502 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: heels of the same scenario with a little boy. 503 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: Timothy Barnett it was a morning like. 504 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 7: Every other morning. 505 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 16: My husband and I got up with. 506 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 7: The alarm, He went about his day walk out the 507 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 7: front door. A few minutes later, I get a phone 508 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 7: call saying, lock the doors and check on my kids. 509 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 7: So I go about the kid's rooms. They're all there 510 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 7: except for Timothy. So I check to see if he 511 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 7: was in the bathroom. 512 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 8: He wasn't. 513 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 7: Checked the kitchen and he wasn't there. So I walked 514 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 7: out to the garage again. He wasn't there, and panic 515 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 7: set in. So I called my husband back and I said, 516 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 7: what's going on. He's like someone's sleeping in her front 517 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 7: yard and I said, I can't find Timothy. 518 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 9: And at that point I. 519 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 7: Realized I woke up into every mother's nightmare. 520 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: She can't find her little boy, Timmy Timothy. And then 521 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: the husband says, somebody's sleeping in the front yard. 522 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 10: The body in the front yard is Timothy. Cameras showed 523 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 10: Timothy sitting in the family car for two hours the 524 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 10: night before, frantically rolling on his phone. Timothy's napchat reveals 525 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 10: the thirteen year old sent a stranger thirty five dollars 526 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 10: a day to prevent them posting an explicit photo of 527 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 10: him online. One of Timothy's last messages begged the stranger 528 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 10: to stop reading, please, I'm just a child. 529 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I was naive enough to not think that predators. 530 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 8: Well, I knew that there were predators out there. 531 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 7: I didn't think that there were predators so bold that 532 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 7: would want to hurt a thirteen year old And there are. 533 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: Can you even imagine your thirteen year old child killing 534 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: themselves and they're lying out in the front yard while 535 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: you're looking for them inside. Joe Cunningham with US high 536 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: profile lawyer who specializes in cases just like this, and 537 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: he represented that beautiful mom of Timmy Barnett, just thirteen 538 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: years old. But when you say predator, that's really not 539 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: the right word. Have you ever actually seen a hyena? 540 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: Just a freaky, high pitched laugh. 541 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: It sounds like crazy laugh, like maybe the Joker on Batman, 542 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: like crazy high pitch kind of cross between a yell 543 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: and a scream. And they will attack a living person 544 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: if that living person is trying to drag away a 545 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: dead carcass, they will attack the living person. 546 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: And they go in packs. 547 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: They're evil, they smell, they smell, They eat rotting, decayed flesh. 548 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: That's what these scammers. 549 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: Scammers not even the right word they're killers, that's what 550 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: they are, to go after our babies, our children. I 551 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: mean since Timmy's case that you worked on, there have 552 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: been so many others, including the one we're covering right now. 553 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 2: Joe. 554 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 16: Yeah. 555 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 17: I think as of late, there's been over two thousand 556 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 17: cases in the United States. And you're right, Nancy, this 557 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 17: is just pure evil and a lot of it's stemming 558 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 17: from these gangs along the Ivory Coast of Africa, but 559 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 17: it's happening all over the globe. Groups like seven sixty 560 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 17: four who are encouraging kids to either mulate themselves or 561 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 17: carve those numbers, those gang numbers into their. 562 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: Bodys or them up. 563 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: Wait, we wait, they trick children into mutilating, cutting themselves. 564 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 17: That's right, that's right, this group seven sixty four, and 565 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 17: then oftentimes and request them to upload pictures of the 566 00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 17: cuts and if it's not deep enough, to ask them 567 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 17: to cut deep. I mean, it is completely sadistic, Nancy, 568 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 17: as to what's going on. There are many groups and 569 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 17: gangs in it for the money, and there are other 570 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 17: groups that are in it just for the torture of 571 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 17: our kids. And then they'll encourage those kids to bring 572 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 17: their younger siblings into the mix. What's happening right now 573 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 17: is it should be a wake up call for all 574 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 17: parents right now. 575 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 576 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 3: In the crucial twenty minutes before his death, scammers relentlessly 577 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 3: pressure Bryce to end his life, culminating in a tragic 578 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 3: gunshot that plunges his parents into unfathorable greeting. 579 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: How many children will die because of six stortion. 580 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 20: Listen, I am more determined to write your life than 581 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 20: to make it a waste, a trash can, a shame 582 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 20: of dishonor a hell, a real disaster, a hell on earth. 583 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 20: And I remind you that I am heartless. I have 584 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 20: no pity to ride a life as well as yours. 585 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 20: This was one of almost two hundred messages sent to 586 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 20: my child over the span of nineteen and a half hours. 587 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 20: I am begging you to stand with this, stand up, 588 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 20: do something. 589 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: From c span children as young as twelve and thirteen 590 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: dying at the hands of these online hyenas. I want 591 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,760 Speaker 1: to go back to Jennifer Uta joining us. Her son 592 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: lost his life to one of these scammers. And I 593 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: don't know if you feel the same way, Jennifer, but 594 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: scammer really is that's like I'm editing the truth. 595 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 2: There's so much worse than a scammer. 596 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 5: That's putting it mild day, calling them a scanner. I mean, 597 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 5: they're responsible for killing my son. 598 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: Effectively, does the name Gavin Guffey ring a bell? Because 599 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: I will never forget him. 600 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: A month after Gavin shoots himself in a bathroom at home, 601 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 3: his family members start receiving Instagram messages asking for money 602 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 3: in exchange for not releasing nude photos of Gavin. His 603 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 3: father even gets a message, did I tell you your son? 604 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 3: Begged for his life. The Guffies discovered Gavin had been 605 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,280 Speaker 3: tricked into sending nude photos to a person he believed 606 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 3: was a girl his age, then extorted. 607 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 6: Gavin was being blackmailed. That was all the information that 608 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 6: I knew, was that he was being blackmail But what 609 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 6: happened was Gavin was he got caught up in sex 610 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 6: stortion and this is a major crime. They took looks 611 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 6: like Hunter Bodden headlines and put pictures of Gavin and 612 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 6: put my name and his name on the headlines, and 613 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 6: we're threatening to release it. And it was pictures who 614 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 6: this girl that he was talking to online. 615 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 2: Gavin now dead. That was his father, who is a. 616 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: South Carolina representative. So even people that are influential and prestigious, 617 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: their children have died at the hands of these online 618 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: hyenas that are literally tearing at the flesh of our children. 619 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: And many of these so called scammers are in different countries. 620 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 2: And isn't it true to Tanya. 621 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: That one scammer can be working on literally thousands of 622 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: children at the same time. 623 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 2: Like you and I go to work, they go. 624 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: Down to their basement where they have a fleet of strings, 625 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: and they're working all day long to get thirty dollars 626 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: off this kid, three hundred dollars off that kid, twenty 627 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: dollars off this kid, and it works. 628 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 2: They make a living off our children. To Tanya. 629 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,720 Speaker 13: Absolutely and Joe Cunningham alluded to the seven six four network, 630 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 13: which is a very real credit and frightening threat. It's 631 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 13: very dark and it is a network. They have multiple 632 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 13: entities across the globe and using the help of AI 633 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 13: and chatbots to create the relationship almost like a business 634 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 13: development spam caller, and then once they realize they have 635 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 13: somebody on the hook, then it transfers to a human. 636 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 13: It is a multifaceted, very deep, very highly organized criminal ring, 637 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 13: and our children are the collateral damage. 638 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: He little boy, just thirteen years old, J Taylor loses 639 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: his life. 640 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 9: They were saying horrible things miss Gender and him calling him. 641 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 9: They said that they got him to kill himself, and 642 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 9: they were saying in the group chat they wanted to 643 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 9: do it to someone else. 644 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 3: J Taylor, thirteen makes a discord account to connect with 645 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 3: other crocheted users, pressure the team to kill himself. Response 646 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: he doesn't want to die, But after an hour of 647 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 3: constant messages, Jay creeps out of his home, props up 648 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 3: an Instagram live stream, and hangs himself from a fence, 649 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 3: and Australian sends Jay's final stream to his devastated parents, 650 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 3: the video eventually leading to the twenty year old German 651 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 3: med student. 652 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 5: They took advantage of Jay's loneliness and his kindness and 653 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 5: then they completely prayed on his insecurities. 654 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: That from our friend's at ABC's Nightline, me Lissa McCarty 655 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: joining US investigative journalist. In that case, a thirteen year 656 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: old boy is dead because of a German med student, 657 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: a medical student that was running the scam. 658 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 8: This is an international crime circuit, Nancy, just targeting and 659 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 8: praying on innocence. That's what they do. There are hundreds 660 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 8: of cases that the FBI is investigating just like that one. 661 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: You're right, Melissa, and it's not just little boys, girls too. 662 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 10: Amanda twelve goes to a chat site with friends and 663 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 10: receives compliments and attention. One asks Amanda to flash the 664 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 10: camera and eventually the girl gives in. The man whoses 665 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 10: the photos to blackmail Amanda. When she refuses, the extortionist 666 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 10: sends the photo to class, meets, friends, and family members. 667 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 10: Amanda is bullied relentlessly, switching schools three times, the extortionists 668 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,399 Speaker 10: following her every move. 669 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: I got a message on Facebook from him. Don't know 670 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: him or how he knew me. It said, if you 671 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: don't put on a show for me, I will send 672 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: your boobs. He knew my address, school, relatives, friends, family names, 673 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: knock at my threatens to knock at my door at 674 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: four a m. It was a police. My photo was 675 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: sent everywhere. 676 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 11: Amanda hangs herself in her home. Police discover communications with 677 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 11: todd on Dutch national Aiden Coben's computer, along with a 678 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 11: list of six thousand potential victims and their social networks. 679 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 11: He's now serving thirteen years behind bars. 680 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: A Dutch national got into this little girl and that 681 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: was her. That was Amanda Todd telling her story with cards, 682 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: holding up those que cards that I was reading for 683 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: you on YouTube. And now that precious little girl, precious 684 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: just twelve years old when this started, is dead. She's 685 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: dead and the guy that did it, a Dutch national, 686 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 1: got thirteen years behind bars. 687 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,760 Speaker 2: He's probably already out. 688 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about crimes 689 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: like these, you can save a life one eight hundred 690 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: call FBI. That's a cyber tip line. Eight hundred call 691 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: FBI or go to cyber Tipline dot org. We remember 692 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Daniel Kin of wayan Dat 693 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Ohio, killed in the line of duty, leaving 694 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: behind a grieving wife and two little children. American hero 695 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff Daniel Kin. 696 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off goods friend