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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Blue Kickoff live right here on

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Speaker 1: Schmelked the phone number for you as to a one

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Speaker 1: us that way you can. The Giants coming off their

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Speaker 1: second straight win thirty thirty five win over the tam

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Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers at MetLife Stadium and Lance, very rarely do

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Speaker 1: we have a game where it actually goes exactly as

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Speaker 1: we thought it was going to go. This one was

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Speaker 1: right down the line. The Bucks go for five hundred

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Speaker 1: yards of offense, but because of takeaways and mistakes in

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Speaker 1: the red zone that the Giants take advantage of, uh,

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Speaker 1: they end up winning the ball game. And the Giants

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Speaker 1: were able to do what they wanted offensively. They ran

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Speaker 1: the football, they played under control, they kept in a rhythm,

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Speaker 1: they kept in third and manageable. They played to that

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Speaker 1: formula they need to win football games. Yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, John. I think if there were two keys

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Speaker 1: coming into this game that we talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: throughout the week, it was as you brought up, take

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Speaker 1: the ball away from Tampa Bay because they don't do

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Speaker 1: a good job protective phone bolt turnovers heading in that

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Speaker 1: was a leak high while they added to that total

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Speaker 1: and now they have correct for the Giants and they

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Speaker 1: were plus four tambated and take away the ball, and

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Speaker 1: that's been an issue turnover differentially, they were minus nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Now the minus twenty three. So a big check mark there, John,

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Speaker 1: for the Giants, And the second check mark I think

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Speaker 1: belongs in red zone efficiency. The Bucks have been struggling

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Speaker 1: immensely keeping teams out of the end zone. Twenty eight

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Speaker 1: of thirty two opportunities led to touchdowns for Buck's opponents

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Speaker 1: coming in, Giants went four for four and for a team, John,

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Speaker 1: that was just ten of twenty five, hovering around fort

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Speaker 1: success right on the season. I mean, that was a

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Speaker 1: huge step in the right direction. So that's another huge

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Speaker 1: check mark. And you succeed in both of those categories

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Speaker 1: on top of what you mentioned, running the football far

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Speaker 1: more effectively than they've done at any point this season.

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Speaker 1: Despite the fact that things got a little too close

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Speaker 1: for comfort late in the game, Giants still did more

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Speaker 1: than enough to win this game. And we will get

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Speaker 1: to the defense. There's a lot of balance that has

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Speaker 1: to be kind of talked about with this game, I

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Speaker 1: app to an amazing Giants prizes throughout the season, and

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Speaker 1: I think lands, first of all, it helps when you're

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Speaker 1: playing a team that's giving up of opponent red zone

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Speaker 1: opportunities for touchdowns. And I think the opponent had a

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Speaker 1: lot to do with yesterday. That's why I think it's

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Speaker 1: dangerous to take too much out of the game because

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Speaker 1: they were playing what might have been the worst defense

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Speaker 1: in football. So I think you have to kind of

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Speaker 1: pump the brakes a little bit. But the bigger picture

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Speaker 1: thing and you'll see this come up on cover three

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Speaker 1: on the website later on today, folks. I think the

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Speaker 1: Giants are figuring out their formula to win football games.

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Speaker 1: If Eli Manning has to drop back and throw out

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Speaker 1: forty times, this team is not going to win. They're

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Speaker 1: not equipped to win that way. You put the offensive

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Speaker 1: line in situations where they have to pass block and

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Speaker 1: must pass situations, and it becomes problematic. You know, the

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Speaker 1: Giants have to be able to run the ball on

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Speaker 1: early downs, get in third and reasonable and use play action,

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Speaker 1: so they don't put Eli in those third and longs.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna limit pass pressure, it's gonna limit sacks, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna limit negative plays, and it's gonna limit turnovers. The

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Speaker 1: problem is that you can't just go into a game

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Speaker 1: and say, well, that's a formula's how we're gonna win.

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Speaker 1: In order for that to work, you have to be

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Speaker 1: able to run the football and execute. You have to

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Speaker 1: because if you can't and you just run it for

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Speaker 1: two yards, running for a yard, you're in third and seven.

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Speaker 1: We'll guess up your your formula shot because then you're

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Speaker 1: in a must pass situation. So it's not about running

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Speaker 1: for the sake of running. It's about running successfully. And

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Speaker 1: for the last four games month really of football, the

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Speaker 1: Giants were averaging about three yards per carry, and in

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Speaker 1: the fact they were able to run it consistently lands

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Speaker 1: it makes the offensive line looks so much better. In

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Speaker 1: the past game, Eli Man, you only drop back to

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Speaker 1: a freak thing. You throw that away. Yeah, So the offense,

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Speaker 1: and they gave three sacks, two on play action, one

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Speaker 1: probably two of them coverage sacks where ELI had time

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Speaker 1: no one was open. So you didn't put the offense

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Speaker 1: in situations where the offensive lines weaknesses got exposed. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's what you have to do moving forward.

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Speaker 1: But like you said, it all comes down to running

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Speaker 1: well on early downs. If they can do that, then

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Speaker 1: the formula can work. If they can't, this is a

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Speaker 1: because people say, well, well, yeah, they ran the ball

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Speaker 1: well against San Francisco, they ran at twenty times, they

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Speaker 1: did all this. Yeah, they only game two hundred seventy

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Speaker 1: five yards of offense. Generally speaking, that's not good enough

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Speaker 1: So we have to see if they can carry this

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Speaker 1: formula forward now against better teams like the Eagles, like

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Speaker 1: things in perspective too. Solid winds Giants one close games,

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Speaker 1: which they had not been able to do in the

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Speaker 1: the level of execution is that a whole other extreme

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Speaker 1: at this point when you look at what they've done

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Speaker 1: in the last few games, they're executing the red zone. John,

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Speaker 1: to your point, the offensive line is staying intact. There,

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Speaker 1: consistent drive to drive there, avoiding the negative plays. Only

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Speaker 1: six negative plays for the offense in this game. Whence

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Speaker 1: the four sacks, one Barkley run and one false start

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Speaker 1: why the offense was able to put together some lathy drives.

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Speaker 1: They had a negative four run out of Barkley and

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Speaker 1: that was it. You mentioned the sacks, and I mean,

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Speaker 1: other than that, I thought the decision making was on

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Speaker 1: So I think that was key. The defense is the

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Speaker 1: of things, that needs to definitely drestically improve, because there

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Speaker 1: were two points of emphasis John that James Betcher, the

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Speaker 1: third down six of nine for Tampa Bay. So those

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Speaker 1: And that's fine. They've suffered some injuries, but Philadelphia still

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Speaker 1: Just look at the first game the Eagles played against

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Speaker 1: and say, but John, that's not the same Eagles team

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna see on Sunday. Offensively, they're very similar defensively,

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Speaker 1: So not arguing there here. Here's the thing lands defensively

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Speaker 1: give up some yards, right, but five three yards, five

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Speaker 1: So those are big numbers, and you're just not getting

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Speaker 1: And I think you saw some cracks when Snacks was here,

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Speaker 1: You just can't. You know, those are the types of

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Speaker 1: be better. The takeaways mask plus over the last two

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Speaker 1: the Giants forced one point, yeah, one point. Well, and

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Speaker 1: The Niners were eight of thirteen John out there down.

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Speaker 1: How many times did the Niners bring out opinion to punt?

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Speaker 1: It was barely anything. So this is a trend now

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Speaker 1: glad that you use the term masks the defensive issues

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Speaker 1: penalties in each of the three weeks, five in two

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Speaker 1: of those three. And one of those penalties on the

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Speaker 1: offense is a throwing because they got it on purpose

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Speaker 1: the delayed games. So you can even throw that out

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Speaker 1: of the mix of you want take some calls to

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Speaker 1: five on three me you lands the rest of the

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Speaker 1: I got the cold going still, I can't shake this thing.

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Speaker 1: We'll do our best to carry through. My voice is

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Speaker 1: better than the Tino's though, because he is a mess much.

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Speaker 1: He's on next stage, Joe A great win. Uh would

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Speaker 1: you say that the main reason we won these two games.

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Speaker 1: Here was the offense there and uh, the big difference

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Speaker 1: is one player, Mr Brown in the offensive line. Joe,

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Speaker 1: I would say the main reason the Giants lost these

447
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Speaker 1: two games because they had six takeaways and zero turnovers

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Speaker 1: one of those games. You mean, yeah, well, I I guess, well,

449
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's a big thing. But I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at us being able to run the ball and

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Speaker 1: pass protect, scoring red zone touchdowns, and and then I

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Speaker 1: can only think it's Mr Brown that I think Brown

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Speaker 1: has made a difference. To say that Brown completely has

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Speaker 1: revamped the performance of these offense, I think he's going

455
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Speaker 1: a little too far. I think se Kwan Barkley is

456
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Speaker 1: making good decisions. I think Eli is making good decisions.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not as if they're running the football

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Speaker 1: just to the right side of the offensive line in fairs,

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Speaker 1: Joe and Joe I want to back up the truck

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Speaker 1: a little bit too. I think you have to separate

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Speaker 1: a little bit what happened in the Bucks game as

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Speaker 1: compared to what happened in the forty Niners game. In

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Speaker 1: the Bucks game, yeah, the Giants ran the ball really

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Speaker 1: well against the forty nine or SA Kwan Barkley at

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Speaker 1: twenty carries for sixty seven yards, and I believe twenty

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Speaker 1: seven of those came on the first two runs of

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Speaker 1: the game, So after that he had eighteen rushes for

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Speaker 1: forty yards. That wasn't the reason they beat San Francisco. Um.

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Speaker 1: They protected fairly well, but offensively again in that game

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Speaker 1: against the Niners, the Giants had two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 1: seven yards of offense. That's not good. So I think

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Speaker 1: they played a lot better as an offensive unit, much

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Speaker 1: much better against the Bucks than they did against the Yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of the touchdowns against San Francisco was a gift

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Speaker 1: because of the interception, which gave him great field positions.

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Speaker 1: And the special teams was great against the Niners. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many drives did the Giants have to put together, Joe,

478
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Speaker 1: where they had to go to length of the field.

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Speaker 1: They had short fields on a lot of those drives.

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Speaker 1: That's another thing you have to take into consideration. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well let me put it this way here. Uh the

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Speaker 1: first seven games when we lost, would you make would

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Speaker 1: you say the main culprit was the offense? Absolutely? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And and the defense was added the offense and they

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Speaker 1: were keeping us in a lot of them games. Sure,

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Speaker 1: absolutely agreed. Okay, Well, I'm just saying now now to me,

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Speaker 1: it looks reversed. And why is that? Is it is

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Speaker 1: that because of the two players that we left go

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Speaker 1: for draft picks that made the big decision. To me,

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Speaker 1: it's looking like that. Hell, keep in mind, and Pat

491
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Speaker 1: Shermer brought this up. The one game they wanted the

492
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Speaker 1: first half of the season, Elie Apple did not play.

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Speaker 1: It was against Houston Texans. Okay, So if you're not

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Speaker 1: going to tell me the defense we we don't play.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we play as much man the man,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think that Betcher can make as many

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Speaker 1: blitzes as he could before. You don't know where coming

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Speaker 1: from because of that, And I don't understand why we

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Speaker 1: left Apple go like that a first round pick, You

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Speaker 1: know what I mean that it's tough that next year

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Speaker 1: we're going to be looking for a defensive back. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to put this blamely. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to puss say this there, but is the reason

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Speaker 1: we left him go? He the word cancer, or he

505
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Speaker 1: wasn't a team player, or what was the main reason

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Speaker 1: on that? I think there were some locker rooms issues there.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, UM, I think Dave Gentleman

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Speaker 1: wants his you know, wants to set a certain culture here.

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Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. Um. But they started

510
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Speaker 1: looking into the future, Joe, and again, um they had

511
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Speaker 1: issues defensively. Um before they let go of Eli Apple too.

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Speaker 1: Is It's not like this was a top ten defensive team.

513
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Speaker 1: They were right around eighteenth in the league here and

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Speaker 1: again the defense didn't get lit up against the forty nine.

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Speaker 1: I remember the offense just scored seventeen points last week.

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Speaker 1: If you take away that, that takeaway that that put

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Speaker 1: the Giants inside the twenty yard line. So again, I

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Speaker 1: think you have to separate it. I think the Bucks

519
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Speaker 1: game offensively was a unique game for the Giants this year.

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Speaker 1: We have not seen the Giants offense do against the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: They haven't done that against any other team this whole year.

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Speaker 1: Run the ball that consistently with the lead, Eli just

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Speaker 1: thows eighteen passes. We have not seen that. The Bucks

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Speaker 1: game was unique. As for the defense, they've had some

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Speaker 1: consistent issues all year, even one exactly one was that

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Speaker 1: they couldn't rush the passer and that's been a problem

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Speaker 1: all year long. They've given up chunk plays. That's been

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Speaker 1: a problem all year long. Now, I think the defense

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Speaker 1: has gotten legitimately worse since the Snacks trade. I think

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Speaker 1: that is a fair point to make. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: you visibly see inside they don't get as much push.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair point. I wouldn't argue that

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Speaker 1: with you. And is the secondary as talented without Eli Apple? No,

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Speaker 1: it's not as talented. But I don't think that trade

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Speaker 1: was made because of what you're going to see over

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Speaker 1: the final nine games this year. You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But keep in mind with Snacks here, they gave up

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Speaker 1: the big Alvin Camara run okay late in the Saints game,

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Speaker 1: which helps sealed the game for New Orleans. They gave

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Speaker 1: up the Tevin Coleman big run, and then the Adrian

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Speaker 1: Peterson run was without Snacks, so you can't include that in.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is we were seeing big run,

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Speaker 1: big touchdowns by the opposition even when Snacks and Eli

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Speaker 1: Apple were here. That's the point I'm making, Well, well

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Speaker 1: the point I'm making there too. We we we did,

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Speaker 1: we only had we we got one win out of

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Speaker 1: all that. I just wondering if they wouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: so quick to make these trades if he would have

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Speaker 1: had a couple more wins. And now it changes the

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Speaker 1: perspective TI in here too with these last remaining games

551
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Speaker 1: a player too. I've seen Apple Garden or out there

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Speaker 1: in the defense yesterday for New Orleans. No problem Garden there, Uh,

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Speaker 1: defensive backs of the Eagles, and you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it just makes it, It makes it tough and whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that we don't know all the ins

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Speaker 1: and Apple, I don't you know, Joe, Joe. Obviously, if

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Speaker 1: the team was three and five at the bye and

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Speaker 1: there are two games out of first place, no, you

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Speaker 1: probably don't make the trade that you make because you

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Speaker 1: still have a chance to make the playoffs. Once you're

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Speaker 1: one in seven, your formula changes, all right. I just

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Speaker 1: want to bring up another thing here. I was very

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Speaker 1: against Sherman. They're not going for it there and uh

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Speaker 1: in the first half or so when we had two

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Speaker 1: yards ago, I would have went to discussed it on

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Speaker 1: that he's got to get whatever. And you gotta have

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Speaker 1: facing your defense there too. In the player too, they

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Speaker 1: when we punded it there, they were right back to

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Speaker 1: the forty yards. Well, I can tell you, Joe, the

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Speaker 1: reason they decided to punt it is that they did

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Speaker 1: not if they didn't make it. They didn't want to

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Speaker 1: put the Bucks in great fuel position to give a

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Speaker 1: chance to score touchdown and lose the lead and whatever

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Speaker 1: momentum they had. Again, I'm not telling you, Jeff, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you was the right decision. I'm just

576
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Speaker 1: telling you that's what the explanation was. You gotta you're

577
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Speaker 1: playing scared now. We we you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: we haven't done anything all year. We have a chance

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Speaker 1: to you know what I mean, the the put this

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Speaker 1: team down and and bury it in. We we can't

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Speaker 1: do that. And one other thing here, I just want

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Speaker 1: to say that our tight end there, uh the only

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Speaker 1: patent of the plays yesterday. Um, he showed what he

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Speaker 1: could do on that one big play there, and I

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Speaker 1: was just wondering why he was in play so less.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind that wasn't a different Joe, and appreciate

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Speaker 1: the phone call. Will let you go on that note.

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Speaker 1: Was it very different from what happened in the Niners

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Speaker 1: game where red Ellison played a lot more snaps and

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Speaker 1: they involved the full back Elijah Penny. So they were

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Speaker 1: providing those different looks in San Francisco before even this week.

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Speaker 1: So if you looked at the snap counts last week

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Speaker 1: and then you look at the snap counts this week,

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Speaker 1: I don't really think that's a huge surprising development. I'll

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Speaker 1: bring him up for you. So they were heading in

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Speaker 1: the direction of they wanted to go with some bigger

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Speaker 1: personnel to help the blocking, to help the offensive line

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Speaker 1: and get the full back involved, and had that go

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Speaker 1: by the way with the running game. Yeah, well, clearly

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Speaker 1: it helped. That's another reason why they continued into this week.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't read too much into it saying that it's

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Speaker 1: the lack of faith in evan Angra. That's just a

603
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: matter of different looks that have been successful. And that

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Speaker 1: percentage Joe gave as an accurate He played of the

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Speaker 1: offensive snaps against the Bucks, against against the forty Niners

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Speaker 1: rather and against the Bucks he played let's see, uh okay,

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Speaker 1: So Joe was right. He played against the Bucks and

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Speaker 1: he played six against the forty niner. So yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I think, like you said, I'm compared to you know

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Speaker 1: what he used to get. Yeah, but redd Ellison played

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Speaker 1: seenti five percent. Simonson played and Penny play, So you're

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Speaker 1: trying to run the football and guys, that's the like

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Speaker 1: I said, if you have to win a certain way,

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Speaker 1: you have to put the guys on the field. I

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Speaker 1: give you the best chance to win a certain way.

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Speaker 1: The first two drives Lands, we saw more personnel twelve personnel,

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Speaker 1: even twenty two personnel with two tight ends and the

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Speaker 1: fullback or on the field because they tried to go

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Speaker 1: big and established the run to not go into those

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Speaker 1: stress you know, situations. So that's kind of where they were.

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Speaker 1: And and here's the other thing. They scored thirty eight points. John,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is this the game you want to choose

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Speaker 1: to complain about the snap counts or Evan Ingram? You know,

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Speaker 1: if they scored fifteen points and you were annoyed that

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Speaker 1: Evan wasn't on the field much, I understand, Okay, irritated

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Speaker 1: they scored thirty eight points. Okay, so he didn't play

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Speaker 1: the usual snap count. It sounds like somebody that has

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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram on their fantasy team and it is annoy

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Speaker 1: that he didn't get as many snaps. That's what that

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Speaker 1: argument sounds like. I'm not picking on Joe in particular.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's not the ideal timing to be

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Speaker 1: making this argument. Not after the team scores thirty eight points.

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Speaker 1: They used the personnel that they thought would be most effective.

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Speaker 1: They pounded the football, they ran the ball effectively. Once again,

635
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Speaker 1: if that worked. If it ain't broke, then you don't

636
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Speaker 1: fix it. Onto the circumstance, all right, I put in

637
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Speaker 1: a request of Pro Football Focus for some personnel groupings

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Speaker 1: for in for data. Okay, so he just sent it

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Speaker 1: to me. Thank you, Matt Troopski over there. It does

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Speaker 1: a good job, Matt Stopski for Pro Football Focus. Who

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Speaker 1: is their Giants wrapped? Um? Yester're the Giants had fifty

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Speaker 1: three snaps, which is honestly a lower number of snaps

643
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Speaker 1: than you usually get for an offense. And again, um

644
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: the twenty one snaps and eleven personnel they had thirteen

645
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: and twelve, eleven and twenty one, four and twenty two

646
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: and three and thirteen. So if you add up all

647
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: the plays where they had two running backs or two

648
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: tight ends on the field or both, they had sixteen

649
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: seventeen thirty two of their fifty three snaps they either

650
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: at two tight ends or fullback on the field. That's six.

651
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: That's a much higher percentage than what we've seen over

652
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: the course of the year. I mean, lance in the

653
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: other nine games this year, the Giants were in twenty

654
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: one personnel twenty three snaps. Yesterday they were in an eleven.

655
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: So they increased their total by in one game. I mean,

656
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: what does that tell you they weren't. I mean, that's

657
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: a significant change. And another one yesterday. Out of those

658
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: fifty three snaps, out of the rather Eli mannings um

659
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: twenty two drop backs. Um, he had eleven under center

660
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: and eleven at a shotgun. Okay, he had um. In

661
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: terms of play action, thirteen of his twenty two drop

662
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: backs were in play action, so he did a lot

663
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: more play action and a lot more under center then

664
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: he has done all year long. Those are significant changes.

665
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: It's showing that they're trying to figure out a way

666
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: for this offense to be efficient, move the ball, stay

667
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: on the field, and protect the football. And it worked

668
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: against Tampa and now we're gonna see him that formula

669
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: can work going down the line, and you do play

670
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: action when you run the football. The play action is

671
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: non existent if you can't run the football. So last

672
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: week we saw some semblance of a running game. We

673
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: went over the numbers, not nearly as effective as Tampa Bay,

674
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: and then against Tampa Bay and went to a whole

675
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: other level, and that's why play action was so effective.

676
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: So that's the other difference. It's the combination, John, of

677
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: what you just broke down, where they're putting Eli Manning

678
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: on the field, the personnel they have on the field,

679
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: and the effectiveness the execution of the running game. When

680
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: you put all three of those together, that's why you're

681
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: getting the type of results that you're seeing on offense.

682
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: Goes hand in hand two on nine four five, one three.

683
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the busy phones and say what's

684
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: up to Christian in New York. He's up next day. Christian. Hey, guys,

685
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I know you don't like to try to pin too

686
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: much impact on one player, but I think Jaman Brown

687
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: was actually a huge upgrade compared to Patrick. O'mama agree

688
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: in the um just real quick and I'll let you finish.

689
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: Jamal Brown's last two games were better than I think

690
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: any other Giants player has played a right guard this year.

691
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: So I don't want to downplay that. He's been great

692
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: and he's been a part of the solution, just not

693
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: the entire solution. Yeah, and I know you guys didn't

694
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: want to make too much of him joining the Giants,

695
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: but I mean I had my hopes just because he

696
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: came also one of the deepest rosters in the league,

697
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: and you know, once in a while a good player

698
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: gets let go and hit on the line. But um,

699
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: I think he's creating a lot of that room for

700
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: Barkley to start running more north and south because I

701
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: think a lot of the time when Barkley bounces out,

702
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't because two or three guys are in the backfield.

703
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: And since yourmon and Brown has been around the residence

704
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: too much of that, look, he's got negative wrong. He

705
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: has made the difference. Neither Lance and I would argue

706
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: that for a second, He's been a big upgrade, has

707
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: been a good pickup. Yeah, I just think Barkley didn't

708
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: have many chances to get to north and the South

709
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: earlier in the year. But yeah, I mean, I think

710
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: you guy is really uh showing he can still win.

711
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: I agree with you there. Well, We've been saying this

712
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: all season long, Christian. If you give him an offensive line,

713
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: you give him a running game. I think he's smart

714
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: enough still at this stage in his career where he

715
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: could be successful. And you saw that over the last

716
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: two games. You don't give a quarterback protection, you don't

717
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: run the football, You force him to throw the ball

718
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty times. You're facing a lot of

719
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: thirty longs. Most quarterbacks in this league gonna have trouble

720
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: getting out of that, with the exception of you know,

721
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: a few guys here are there who certainly are in

722
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: a league of their own, but most quarterbacks under those

723
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: circumstances are not going to be able to thrive even

724
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: if you look within the division. By the way, why

725
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys are winning games over the

726
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: last few weeks. Dak Prescott and the Cowboy have been

727
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: running the football. The protection hasn't been as bad, and

728
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: they haven't been facing as many third and longs. If

729
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: you go early in the season, Doc was going up

730
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: against sturting fifteen s third in eighteens. They weren't running

731
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: the football. Guys and gals, this is not rocket science.

732
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: This is typical NFL professional football. If you look across

733
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: the landscape of the league, the Giants are not on

734
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: an island of their own and Christian I want to

735
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: throw one other thing out there too. Um. I'm not

736
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: sure why, and I think maybe because the interior line

737
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: has been better, it's made him look better. And to

738
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: some extent, I think Nate Soldiers probably played his two

739
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: best games of the year the last two or three weeks,

740
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: So I think he's improved a lot too. And that's

741
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: up the line as well. And the other thing is

742
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: Jamon is a smart player. You know, He's been exposed

743
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: to a variety of different defensive schemes. And what proved

744
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: that to me is if you go to the Niners

745
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: game John and you look at that first touchdown that

746
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: Elie Banning through. I mean he picked up two guys

747
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: on that play, he gave one to Chad Wheeler, and

748
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: then he hustled his behind over more to the left

749
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: to make sure that the pocket remained clean free line Manning.

750
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: So you know, it's not just his physique, it's not

751
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: just you know, you just insert him into the Lions.

752
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: The fact that he has the smarts to pick up

753
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: those tendencies and things. And if I could say, I'm

754
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: more saying, um, I think not forcing Evan Ingram to

755
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: be a huge factor is very smart because I mean,

756
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm just not that excited about where about where Evan

757
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: Ingram is. And I think Allison is really helping them out.

758
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: No Christian, look, I agree, and and thanks a lot

759
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: for the call um. When everyone got drafted, you knew

760
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: blocking was not something he did a whole lot of Um,

761
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: he's trying to get better. He works at it, he cares,

762
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: he puts effort into it. Um, don't make it like

763
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't, because he does. But he's just not built

764
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: that way. That's not what he is. So if the

765
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: Giants have to play like a team like we talked

766
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: about before, that has to run it early, getting big

767
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: personnel and you know, not expose the quarterback and you

768
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: know obvious passing situations and going into gun and straight

769
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: long drop backs, that's gonna limit what Ingram can do.

770
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: And I think you'll see him more and there's a

771
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: big play here or there, but not necessarily a focus

772
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: of what they do well. And the other thing that

773
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: I was going to add to that related to that point,

774
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: you know about us debating how many snaps Evan Ingram

775
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: is getting. I also personally think this is my opinion

776
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: John the emergence and comfort of Corey Coleman within the

777
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: scheme gives them the flexibility that even if they take

778
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: a passing tight end off the field, you know, they

779
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: have confidence that there's a little bit more depth now

780
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. Also the fact that they're closer to

781
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: full health. You know, Coleman when he first arrived, he

782
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: was learning the offense. He was on the practice squad

783
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: last few weeks. If you notice he's made a play here.

784
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: They're not just on special teams. We're talking as a

785
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So between Beckham, Shephard, Coleman, you know, Benny

786
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: Fowler here or there, I think they also a little

787
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: bit more content with the depth they have at that position.

788
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: You know what I like to see. I would like

789
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: to see some of that twenty two or thirteen personnel

790
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: with two or three tight ends on the field and

791
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: a fullback and she'll on and then try to get

792
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: Ingram in some kind of isolated one on one in

793
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: play action. And that's maybe way you can includ him

794
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: in those bigger packages because you have another tight end

795
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: or fullback with him, but then try to use and

796
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: utilize him pardon me, in the past game a little bit, yeah,

797
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: in a way that he doesn't have to be that

798
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: main staple on the offensive one. He could do what

799
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: he does. You play two his strengths. You play to

800
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: the strains of your personnel. I think another thing that's

801
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: important to note is I had thought yesterday the wide

802
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: receivers did a really good job blocking up the field

803
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: to help the running game in that sort of gets unnoticed.

804
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: And the tight ends too. I mean, everybody focused on

805
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: all the offensive line has improved the receivers. I would

806
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: even go back to the Niners game. John, remember Odell

807
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: Beckham laid out what a linebacker in that game, and

808
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: Shepard had a few blocks up the field. Don't dismiss that.

809
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: Don't overlook that. That has improved too. And that's another

810
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: reason why I think the running game. You've seen much

811
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: better production, much better numbers over the last two games

812
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: to a one four or five one three. J C.

813
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: And Arizona is up next. Hey j C, lad and

814
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: clear j C. What's up? All right? It's been a

815
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: couple of years, as I've called in, but I still

816
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: listen to every day. Good talk to you, guys. I

817
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: appreciate that nictitune in. Yeah, that well, just to go

818
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: off of of whats theyre all was saying about why

819
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: they punted it. The reason why we're playing scared is

820
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: because our defense is no good, right, So that's why

821
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: he put it it. He didn't want to give them,

822
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, that possible good, good deal position and just

823
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: make it that that much easier for the Bucks to

824
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: go and score, you know well, and just to add

825
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: to that, just to answer that, let you continue, because

826
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: they were at the Tampa Bay thirty seven. So if

827
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: you go for it, you don't get it. To your point,

828
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: j C. Now you're giving them back the football right

829
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: around midfield essentially, and you're telling them go fifty yards

830
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: without turning the football over and these maybe at words

831
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: get a field goal. That's exactly that. That's lost. I

832
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: don't know care with that. It's like, you know, our

833
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: deepens has got played good. You know, I don't have confidence.

834
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: But and I was listening to the post game show

835
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: with you and Carl that was hilaria. Is he kept

836
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: he kept sounding off the a lot because of the defense.

837
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: Is there's a lot you know, setting the logs off.

838
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: The defense is is no good. It's quite disturbing, Uh,

839
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: because I wanted to talk about columns, but it's disturbing

840
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: how we were doing in the beginning of the season.

841
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: We were doing good on defense, keeping the you know,

842
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: the games are close, but our office wasn't you know,

843
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: wasn't there, Vernon wasn't even there, Okay, and we were

844
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: doing better then than we are now, which which leads

845
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: me to to, you know, my main, uh reason for

846
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: calling in after all these years and landing columns. I

847
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: watched him on the play by the goal line engage

848
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: the block I think was with number thirteen as opposed

849
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: to either selling it, shoving the blocker, you know, into

850
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: the running back into the lane or something. I just

851
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: I've been watching Landing. I don't understand, uh, you know why.

852
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: You know, you would think after all these years, you know,

853
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: he'd be better, But he's tackling, is engaging that getting

854
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: off of blocks. You know, Can you guys, you know,

855
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Landing and and and what

856
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: what might be going on with him? Yeah, no problem,

857
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the call, thank you. I can't speak

858
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: to that specific player. I've not watched the defensive film yet.

859
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna do the minute I walk out

860
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: of here. Are only the chance to watch the offense

861
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: this morning between the other stuff we're going on with

862
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: media availabilities and such. But I think if you want

863
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: to throw stones there, I don't think you should throw

864
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: stones at the tackling and the run stopping. I think

865
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: that's his strength. Um. Now, if you want to throw

866
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: stones because in coverage he has him mistakes, I think

867
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: that's probably a lot fairer to be honest with you, um,

868
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: because he's better around the line of scripment. He's generally

869
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: a fairly strong tackler. Again, I don't know the player referencing.

870
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: I'll take a look at it when I get back

871
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: into my office and I check it out. But um,

872
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: that to me, if you're gonna go there, I would

873
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: not go after the tackling on the run support. I'm

874
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna agree that thumbs up for those you're listening, Yes,

875
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: nothing sounds better on podcast than the thumbs up. Correct.

876
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: I just can't believe you passed on saying something. I

877
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: think that you pretty much summed it up. It's hard

878
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: for me to also comment on a play that I

879
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: did not remember off the top of my head. I mean,

880
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: I need to see the film not to say that.

881
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: J c is embellishing a play. But if I had

882
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: to play in front of me, I think I'd be

883
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: able to provide a lot more insight on what may

884
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: have happened there. But I think we know it's been

885
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: well documented. Now that you've forced me to say, see more,

886
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to take advantage of it. That landed Collins

887
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: strengths throughout the course of his career has always been

888
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: more of an in the box type of safety that

889
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: can get on the quarterback and blitz situations and help

890
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: stop the run. It It's always been whether or not

891
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: he could continue to improve his skill set down the field.

892
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: So it's hard to even if there was a breakdown

893
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: mentally or physically on one play at the in the scrimmage,

894
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: to say oh there's trouble and he's as signed to

895
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: come would not go that far. Given that's we want

896
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: to remind you that Big Blue Kick Golf Live is

897
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: presented by cores Light, download the Coors Light Rewards after

898
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: an amazing Giants prizes throughout the year. Um one more

899
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: thing lands based off what he said, and I said

900
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: it during the pregame show. If you're a call, if

901
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: the Giants were gonna get pass pressure in this game.

902
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna have to come from Olivier Vernon.

903
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: Um DeMar Dotson had been pretty good at right tackle

904
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: all year protecting the quarterback, has allowed just one sack.

905
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: Um Ali Moore pets a good player. Their weakness, at

906
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: least outside was over left tackle Donovan Smith, and he's improved,

907
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: but he's still not a top left tackle. He's given

908
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: up sacks this year, and I thought we would see

909
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: more consistent pressure from Vernon over the course of the

910
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: game than we did. Vernon has not been a very

911
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: disruptive player john since he's returned. I remember the first

912
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: half of the game he returned. It was the Philadelphia game,

913
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: right Philadelphia, I believe was his first game back. Whatever

914
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: game was, he was dominant the first it was all

915
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: over the place. I believe it was the Eagles game.

916
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: Then it seemed like maybe ran out a little gas.

917
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: They were also monitoring snaps, and then since then, Yeah,

918
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: you've always looked at Vernon as a guy that maybe

919
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: can have one game changing play here or there, and

920
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: we just have yet to say it. And even if

921
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: you didn't get home, you would be applying pressure and

922
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: getting a hand on an elbow at a quarterback coruptive.

923
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: You just I haven't seen that consistent impact on defense.

924
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: Maybe his ankles back. I don't know. I don't want

925
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: to make that excuse for him. That's not fairies out there.

926
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: You gotta expect them to perform. But I'm sure he

927
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,959
Speaker 1: would say he'd like to make more place too well.

928
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: And and here's the other thing, the Giants defense, and

929
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: this goes back to Joe's call at the beginning of

930
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: the show. You remove Snacks from the equation. John, if

931
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: you're an offensive coordinator, you're looking at the defensive personnel.

932
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: Who are you saying to yourself? Do we need to

933
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: make sure we put attention towards well especially in past situations? Right?

934
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: But how many guys like if you took your hand

935
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: out Vernon. That's my point, so he's now getting everything

936
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: once you took Snacks out of the equat change. If

937
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm an offensive coordinator, I'm saying, guys, we take Vernion

938
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: out of the game. Let's see if Lorenzo Carter can

939
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: win his one on one battles. Let's see if b J.

940
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: Hill can win his one on with battles. Let's see

941
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: what Dalvin Tomlinson could do to Kareem Martin's. I'm confident

942
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: that my one on one guys can handle that. Vernon

943
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: is the only guy that I'm a little bit worried.

944
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: So the point is, with the personnel changing on defense,

945
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier for offensive cornas to say, put

946
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: all our attention double Vernon, make everybody else beat us.

947
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna watch it for that today and see

948
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: how much he got double team too. Yeah, you could

949
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: be right to five, one, three, got fifteen minutes. We'll

950
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: take three more calls. Let's go to Chris and Syracuse.

951
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: He's up next day. Chris. Hey, how's Chris? Have you

952
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: recovered from that Saturday walloping at the hands of Notre Dame.

953
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: Lance is very excited about that. Well, wait minute, how

954
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: about college basketball? To College basketball also fell out of

955
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: the top twenty five if I'm correct, I saw the headline. Yeah,

956
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: here we go. You see, No, it hasn't it's Chris

957
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: Lance is not a you're a hut guy. I just

958
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: want to throw that out to you. I gathered. I'm

959
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: not going to give you a box of tissues. I'll

960
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: tell you that. Chris um. Alright, So there's just a

961
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: couple of things that I was thinking about. I guess

962
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: I'll try to rattle them off pretty quick, and then

963
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: you guys can do what you will. But U, one

964
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: of the things you guys are saying earlier, you know,

965
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: and then somewhat saying what almost a bit of a

966
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: contradiction was, Um, you guys said that. Okay, well, you know,

967
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: we were sticking with the run game, and then like yesterday,

968
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: we were having good results, so then we could continue

969
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: to stick with it. And that makes sense. But I

970
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: also go back to like San Francisco when he did

971
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: have eighteen carries for twenty yards or whatever. They still

972
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: stuck with it and it still opened up the play action,

973
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: and so I would just say no, no, but no,

974
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: but no. What the point though, is that they didn't score. Yeah,

975
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: they stuck with it. They scored seventeen points on offense

976
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: and a two seventy yards of offense in that game,

977
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: so it didn't lead to success. So they stuck with it. Sure,

978
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: but where were the results? That's the point. Well, where

979
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: I would say the results were is that you had

980
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: some sort of play action and you had to at

981
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: least keep the defense honest instead of just pinning their

982
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: ears back and teeing off. No, I no, I I

983
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: get that from a theoretical standpoint, But it didn't result

984
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: in yards and points. Isn't that the point? Uh? Yes,

985
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: yes and no, I mean to be from my perspective,

986
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Yes and no. I mean ultimately yeah, And it was

987
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: the sort of game that they could stick with it.

988
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think we've been too quick to

989
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: abandon it in the past. Like I thought that the

990
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: offense really resembled more of a of a McAdoo style

991
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: looking offense for parts of the year, in the first

992
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: half of the year, more than I thought it would

993
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: in terms of being an eleven personnel being in shotgun

994
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: and trying to run out a shotgun. I honestly thought

995
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: we were going to see a lot closer to what

996
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: we've seen in the last two games all along. Yeah,

997
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: but you know what I think you I think you

998
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: would have if. I mean the run game early in

999
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: the year was a disaster star. I mean, he was

1000
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: getting hit in the backfield every other snap. You just

1001
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: can't continue to do that if you're losing yards on

1002
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: first and second down. I think this is the way

1003
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: Pat Shermer wants to play. But you can't keep banging

1004
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: your you know, metaphorical head against the wall until it

1005
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: busts through. You're gonna be dead before he before you

1006
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: get there. Well enough, But where I'll give where I'll

1007
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: give Gentleman the credit and Sherm the credit more so

1008
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: than the previous administration. And we've kind of talked about

1009
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: this a little bit already, is that they didn't just

1010
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: sit around and do nothing about it. So I'll give

1011
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: them the credit. Good point, next, next, until they could

1012
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: find something well, and Chris, to your point, Now, some

1013
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: of the games were relatively close in the first half

1014
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: of the season, and I understand what you're arguing. You're arguing, well, listen,

1015
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: if the game is still closed, don't abandon the run.

1016
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: But I just want to give you the numbers here.

1017
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: Week one against the Jaguars, they ran the ball twenty

1018
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: three times, and that game was close. That's why I'm

1019
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: bringing this up. But of their twenty three runs, Chris,

1020
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: and this goes back to John's point, seven of them

1021
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: were for no gain or net of yards. So that's like,

1022
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: let's just run the ball for the sake of running

1023
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: it into a brick wall. That's nearly half the runs

1024
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: and aren't doing anything. And by the way of those

1025
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: one fourteen one one for sixty eight. So the other

1026
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: twenty two carries in that game win for forty six

1027
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: yards exactly. And here is a better one week five

1028
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: at the Panthers and Chris, that was a game that

1029
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: you could argue if the Carolina Panthers don't hit that

1030
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: miracle field goal, the Giants win. That game. Is a

1031
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: very competitive game. In that game, they ran the ball

1032
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: sixteen times. Seven runs. Again, we're for no gain or

1033
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: negative yards. That's fifty percent of your runs are going nowhere, Chris.

1034
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: So you come to a point as an offensive coordinator

1035
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: where you say, yeah, we want balance, we want to

1036
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: run the ball, but I mean, guys are getting penetration

1037
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: in the backfield before Eli can even hand it off.

1038
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: There's no point we might as well at least throw

1039
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: at three yards. That's what I'm getting. I understand, I understand,

1040
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm happy to see the balance if

1041
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: it is. And let me two quick quick, John, when

1042
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: you such that tape, I can't speak specifically to the

1043
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: penalties of Olivia Vernon had the neutral zone and fraction

1044
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: or off side whatever that he had back to back.

1045
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: But I noticed after that, Um, I believe it was

1046
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: either the center not the center, it was the left

1047
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: guard was shaking his hands quite a bit, like enough

1048
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: that I think that that might have been what was

1049
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: going on there, Like they were trying to they were

1050
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: trying to draw him off. It looked like they were

1051
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: getting away with a little something to me. Okay, I'll

1052
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: check it out. I'll check it out. Yeah, after and

1053
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: real quickly two with Ingram. I actually don't mind what's

1054
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: going on with Ingram, which almost like you're lulled to

1055
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: sleep with them, and then all of a sudden when

1056
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: you've forgotten about him entirely. You know, both games at

1057
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: the end of it. Late in the games, he's had

1058
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: a pretty crippling play. Um, so that's fine if we

1059
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: can get that out of them, I say, that's better

1060
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: than what we were getting out of him before. So

1061
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: that's Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. I have

1062
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: a great Thanksgiving Chris, Thank you so much for the call.

1063
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: Good points. And again, guys, we're not telling you that

1064
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: the Giants shouldn't have been running it more. Yeah, of

1065
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: course you use the second and pick overall in the

1066
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: draft on a running back. You want that to be

1067
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: a huge part of your offense. But it has to work.

1068
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: It has to work. You got to be effective. Anybody,

1069
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: any team in the NFL can see we're running the

1070
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: thirty times. Well, yeah, you run it thirty times, you

1071
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: gained seventy yards and you lose thirty one to seven.

1072
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: What good were the thirty runs? You go three and out,

1073
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: three and out, three and out, and you're punting. It's

1074
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: not moving the change effective yet. Otherwise, good points, Chris.

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00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: We appreciate the call. Let's go to Lewis and North

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00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: Carolina Online. Three. What's up, Lewis Chentleman, Good afternoon, long

1077
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: time first time Hey, thank you for being part of

1078
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: the show. Lowis a long time Giants fan. I wanted

1079
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: to spend a couple of minutes talking to you, John

1080
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: about the three four. The the team did their draft

1081
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: choices and they're free agents based on Betcher's plan for

1082
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: a three four. And I'm not saying this is a surprise,

1083
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: but it just seems like it's it's just a disaster.

1084
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: And I wanted to know your thoughts about whether or

1085
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: not they just is it coaching or is it just

1086
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: they just don't have the players that the people to

1087
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: plug in there to do this. Because watching the game yesterday,

1088
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time looking at b J.

1089
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: Hill and Tomlinson and they just got ran over. They

1090
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: got turned around numerous numerous times in the game, and

1091
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your opinion on that. Um, it's

1092
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: a good question. I think that they are still transforming

1093
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: this defense from a four three to three four. I

1094
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 1: think conceptually in the modern NFL, I prefer a three

1095
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: four to a four three because I believe, um, part

1096
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: of me three or four pass rushers are easy to

1097
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: come by in the draft and four three pass rushers

1098
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: just because guys are smaller and faster now in college

1099
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: than they are in the NFL. But specifically to the Giants,

1100
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: I think Dalvin Tomlinson is a NewsGuard. Um. He doesn't

1101
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: rush the passer well enough to be a three technique

1102
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: or five technique, So I do think his best position

1103
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: is in the middle. I think he needs to play

1104
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: better there. Um. I think b J. Hill fits is

1105
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: a three technique. I think that's a good spot from

1106
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: I think he's played fine since he's moved. UM, But

1107
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: I do believe again part of me that they have

1108
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: to get more consistent push off the edge for those

1109
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: three four defenses to be successful. You need your too

1110
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: middle linebackers to be able to cover and run, and

1111
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: you need your two outside linebackers. We'll get to the quarterback,

1112
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: and I think that's where the problem is is at

1113
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: the linebacker position, that they're really struggling right now. Well,

1114
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: that's why I think to your point, Louis, you gotta

1115
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: go back. You look at what James Betcher was working

1116
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: with when he was at Arizona, and you know, if

1117
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: you look at his scheme there, look at the playmakers

1118
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 1: he had. I mean he had also veteran pass resident

1119
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, who has been consistent, whether it be in

1120
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: New England or Arizona. Daon Buchanan, who's a guy that

1121
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: you could play at safety and linebacker. They drafted Robert Kemdic,

1122
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: who's been a nice, flashy player. They've also had some

1123
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: veteran corners such as Patrick p just In Antoine, but Fay.

1124
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: In the secondary, don't forget Calias Campbell. Campbell of course, yeah.

1125
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: He he then went to Jacksonville level. He was there

1126
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: the first earlier. I mean Carlos Dansby he had, So

1127
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: my point did Lewis I think if you evaluate, well,

1128
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: why is the fourth three not effective with the Giants,

1129
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: personnel is a big part of it, and just like

1130
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: I think it's unfair to compare, well, why did Pat

1131
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: Shermer have so much success with Minnesota last year and

1132
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: then why did it become slow to come to fruition

1133
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: with the Giants. Well, you know you talk about you

1134
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: had then one of the best defenses in the NFL

1135
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: that he had the luxury of being complimented by. He

1136
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: also had offensive line that came together a lot quicker.

1137
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: You had two veterans you brought in. So I think

1138
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: when you look at the personnel, it's understandable why perhaps

1139
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: the Giants are not performing at the same level as

1140
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: Arizona and Louis one of the pieces of personnel I

1141
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: want to bring up, and I think Lance knocked that

1142
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: out of the park. Betcher wants to play in the secondary,

1143
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: taking the front aside. He wants to play single high defenses.

1144
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: He wants the second safety to be in the box

1145
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: to help stop the run, and that's how he wants

1146
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: to do it. The Giants don't have right now on

1147
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: their roster that guy to play that single high free

1148
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: safety role, and I think I totally agree with that,

1149
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: And just let me one more thing before I jump

1150
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: off the phone, which is obviously there are a number

1151
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: of pieces on defense that they're going to need to

1152
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 1: improve for next year. They still don't have a linebacker

1153
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: that can god the tight end. How many years have

1154
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: we been complaining about that? But I wanted to spend

1155
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: one more minute talking about Jenkins and then Collins. Sure,

1156
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: it seems that Jack Rabbit, he'll make a couple of

1157
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: good plays during the game. But as coach Parcels used

1158
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: to say in cold toast Patterson, it looks like Jenkins

1159
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 1: is getting burned at least one or two times a game.

1160
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: And do you think that it is because to the

1161
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: other corner on the other side, or he's just not

1162
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: getting enough help? What's going on with him? Well, I

1163
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: don't think it's a matter of the other corner on

1164
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: the other side, because to your point, if he's getting

1165
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: beat and it's a one on one coverage opportunity, then

1166
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: why does that have anything to do with the corner

1167
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: opposite him. He's supposed to do his job and take

1168
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: care of business, and that last play as Mike Evans

1169
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: wasn't on Jenkins. Yeah, and and keep in mind, I'm

1170
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: not trying to defend Genora's Jenkins. I think you're bringing

1171
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: up a valid point, Louis. But if you go back

1172
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys game, he slipped, I mean Tavon Austin

1173
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: came out of the break and Jenkins just lost his

1174
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: footing and then it was a bad angle taken by

1175
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: Curtis Riley, the safety. So there are a few of

1176
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: those plays too, which I think he just needs to

1177
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: take it to consideration. And Louis, I think one thing

1178
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: I've noticed about you, Norris Jenkins, I think this is

1179
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: just a theory I have. I have no evidence that

1180
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: is true. I'm not living inside his head. Um. He

1181
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: played his best football with the Giants when they were eleven,

1182
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: when they had the year when they went ten and

1183
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: six and they made the playoffs. Right, I always get

1184
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: that mixed up, Um. And when he came from the Rams,

1185
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: you look at his tape and you're like, boy, he

1186
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: had a lot of like gets beat deep here or there,

1187
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: and he had blown coverages. I think when the team's

1188
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: not playing as well, there might be some trouble with

1189
00:56:55,120 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: him focusing every play um and I think he lays

1190
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: better when the team is playing better, and I'm not

1191
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 1: and that's not ideal. You don't want that, obviously, but

1192
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: from watching him from the Rams days and now with

1193
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: the Giants, he's playing his best football when the team's

1194
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: playing their best football. So you don't want that. But

1195
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I've seen well. And also keep

1196
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: in mind two thousand sixteen you had some semblance of

1197
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: a pass rush, and once again Lewis, when you don't

1198
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: have guys winning the battles and the trenches, it's hard.

1199
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: I'll give you another example which I think is relatable

1200
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: to General's Jenkins, and this is unrelated to the Giants,

1201
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: but I don't know how closely you follow the rest

1202
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: of the league. Marcus Peters, who was pretty solid with

1203
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: Kansas City for some reason, he is struggling with the

1204
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: Rams this year. Lewis now it keep to leave is hurt.

1205
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: So you know that may get to your point about

1206
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: when the other corners not there, But you know the

1207
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: Rams also they're not getting to the quarterback. That's why

1208
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: they went out. They got Dante Fowler from the Jaguars.

1209
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: They don't have many good edge rushers all of their

1210
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: pressures from Aaron Donald inside. So the dynamics of what

1211
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: happens in the trenches is the point I'm making, Louis.

1212
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: That also plays out into how much leeway and flexibility

1213
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: the top corner has. Let me ask you the same

1214
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: question about Collins. I mean, he he you know you,

1215
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I think you would admit he had a pretty poor

1216
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: game last week against San Francisco and he said some

1217
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: he said some trouble. There was an earlier call alluding

1218
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: to this. Do you think that has anything to do

1219
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: with Riley on the other side or you just think

1220
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: he's just having a rough catch? Thank you, Lewis. I appreciate,

1221
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: appreciate um. I think Landon Collins is the guy. Look,

1222
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: he's because he's a better player than he wasn't he

1223
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: got drafted. I get that, But his profile is what

1224
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: it is. He's a bigger guy, he's better. The closer

1225
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: recent a lot of scrimmage, the better he is. And

1226
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: when you're asking to operating a lot of space and

1227
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: cover and do those sorts of things, you're going to

1228
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: have some mistakes. It just comes with the territory. He's

1229
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: not a perfect player. He's a very good player. Um.

1230
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: You love his attitude, you love his competitiveness, you love

1231
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: his physicality. He's a guy you want in your locker room.

1232
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: We can be a defensive captain. He holds his teammates accountable.

1233
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: He's a football player. He loves the game, he loves

1234
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: to play all that stuff. But in coverage he has

1235
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: issues sometimes just and it's probably just the way it's

1236
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna be. Well, And I'm gonna give a similar response

1237
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: because you know, it's interesting. We're talking about both Greenora's

1238
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: Jenkins and Landon Collins John, and we're talking about well

1239
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: when we're their best seasons as Giants. Two thousand sixteen. Again,

1240
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, the unit overall statistically was through the

1241
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: charts in a variety of categories. They stopped the run, John,

1242
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: they got after the quarterback, they got off the field

1243
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: on third down. Now you're taking away all three of

1244
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: those facets that we just talked about it. People are

1245
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: wondering why is Landed Collins not getting the sacks, Why

1246
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: is Landed Collins not getting those interceptions? Why is he

1247
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: not getting those game changing plays like he did in

1248
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: London against the Rams? John? And same thing with Jenkins.

1249
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's as easy as stating the

1250
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: obvious there, but I think a lot of that is

1251
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: the unit overall, specially upfront, not being nearly as effective

1252
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: as it was in two thousand sixteen. All Right, Lance

1253
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: has been saved from the trolley open. So I'm just

1254
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna go to him instead. Charlie, what's up, buddy? Hey guys,

1255
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,959
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't need an introduction. Hey. I said JP

1256
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: would get one and a half sacks, and that's exactly

1257
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: what he got. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn.

1258
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: Charlie loves calling up on Mondays and patted himself on

1259
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: the back, So I got to give him a round

1260
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: with the plus. And I'm surprised you call on Tuesday

1261
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: to pat yourself in the back. You did say Oldell

1262
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: was going to find the end zone multiple times as well,

1263
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: you said three he got to. We'll give you credit

1264
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: for that too, Charlie, congratulations been. But what a week

1265
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: for you, Charlie, what a week? What are we awesome? Hey? Look,

1266
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you know, I'm just gonna say Tampa

1267
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: Bay's offense has gone up and down the field on

1268
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: a lot of two. Absolutely sure, they went up and

1269
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: down the field on the Saints, they went up and

1270
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: down the field on many teams. They have one of

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Speaker 1: the best offenses in the league. That's so I said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: well that was a big point. I mean on Friday Show. Absolutely, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the thing is is that our our defense ended

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Speaker 1: up having the worst game the best game in the

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Speaker 1: same game they had four interceptions. That's pretty good for

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01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: defense to come up with four interceptions in one game.

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Speaker 1: But the problem was is just like Lansa saying, we

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01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: don't we don't have a pass rush. And if you

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Speaker 1: don't have a pass rush, your your secondary is going

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Speaker 1: to be vulnerable. Your cornerbacks, safeties, they can't cover people forever. Question.

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Speaker 1: So what I would what I would do is like

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Speaker 1: I think about when is probably had his last leg,

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Speaker 1: he's not playing that. Well, why don't we bring Moss

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01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: up from the practice squad. Let's try him, see if

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01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: we can get a pass rush from him. I would

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: bring in Macintosh to this week activating him, see if

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Speaker 1: we can get some type of you know, pass rush

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Speaker 1: from him. We need a pass rush and we're not

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Speaker 1: getting it from the guys that we have. And Vernon

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01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: is just like you said, he's probably getting double teamed

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,479
Speaker 1: almost every play and he hasn't been able to get

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01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: it done. But you know, we're going up against Silly.

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01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: Philly is not the same offense that Tampa Bay at.

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: Our defense is going to play a lot better against them.

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01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: And and it's so unbelievable that our offense in the

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01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 1: in the least number of snaps like fifty three, ended

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01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: up scoring thirty one and we want the whole thing. Sorry,

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01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 1: you're right, My apologies her right, yeah, And so it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like that is unbelievable. What we we've been saying,

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01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: score in the red zone, and we haven't been able

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Speaker 1: to do that. But we get it. This week we

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Speaker 1: scored in the red But Charlie, Charlie, you bring up

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: a great point, But keep in mind you went up

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01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: against the worst red zone defense in the NFL. Just

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01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Charlie, you you take the defensive performances

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01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: a grain of salt. You have to take that would

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01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: be right. So you're right, there's progress, Charlie. But let's

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01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: see now the offense go forward for four in the

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01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: red zone against a much more respectable red zone defense,

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01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: because then you'll be able to tell was this just

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: taking advantage of a poor team or is this a

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01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: sign of progress made following the buy? Yeah, exactly, and

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01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: Philly will be a good uh. And the only thing

1314
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: is Philly is going to be so pissed after that game. Yeah,

1315
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: they are right. Yeah if we if we win this game,

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01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: then our team is uh doing really well. And I'll

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Speaker 1: say one last thing about Ingram. I don't understand why

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Speaker 1: they still think he's a tight end. He is a

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01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: big wide receiver like Plaxico. I would utilize him as

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01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: a Plaxico, our third wide receiver. That's where he should be.

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01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: He shouldn't be called the tight end. He shouldn't be

1322
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Speaker 1: playing the tight end position. Utilize him as that, and

1323
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: then you're gonna see some big place from that guy.

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01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with your evaluation of his skill set,

1325
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: but I do think you lose some of that miss

1326
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: match potential if you use them that way. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, if you use them in the slot,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so well. You might be right, Charlie.

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Speaker 1: I will. I will not. That is not a crazy idea,

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Speaker 1: and I understand where you're coming from with that. Okay,

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01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: what would you give the offensive coordinator. My idea, we

1332
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: always do, are you kidding me? We have We have

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: sessions with the coaching staff after every big blot kickoff Live.

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Speaker 1: You're a very popular figure here in this facility. They

1335
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: always want to know what Charlie and Portland Maine had.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised he didn't notice that both Betcher and

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01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: Sula follow him on Twitter. Didn't notice? But see they

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Speaker 1: have alias Twitter hands because they would never admit publicly

1339
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 1: that they follow you. Yes, yeah, hey, and only were

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Speaker 1: One last thing too, is like, let's put the beds

1341
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: from now on that if there's players still out there,

1342
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 1: you know on the streets that they're none of them

1343
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: can be any good. And then you know because that's

1344
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 1: not true. There is a distinct difference between a guy

1345
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Speaker 1: getting claimed off of waivers versus Will Beatie sitting on

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01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: his couch at home. Okay, Jamon Brown was on an

1347
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: active roster on the depth chart. Daughter last lease, put

1348
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Speaker 1: the violin away. Okay, we're not singing this tune with you. Okay,

1349
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know you were on You get a line,

1350
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: you get no no. See I was about to give

1351
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: him so many complex It was the same phone call.

1352
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: No it was No, it was the same phone call today.

1353
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: You brought up some points. I even was gonna say,

1354
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: you know what, calling up Avery Moss is not crazy

1355
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: having R J McIntosh act. I'm saying, you know what,

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: Charlie took his medication today. It sounds good. And then

1357
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: you had to make that point. You had to do that.

1358
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: Jamon Brown was on an active roster. He was painfully employed.

1359
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Speaker 1: Enough of that. No, I'm not following for that. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Charling, Thank you Charlie. Happy Turkey to you.

1361
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: And and there is a difference with that. There really

1362
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: is a huge difference all jokes aside. There is. And

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Speaker 1: the reason the giants god, because they're so petre at

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 1: of course, if they've got a favorable position. No, but

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Speaker 1: you know where he was going with that, then have

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: leeway to call him the next five programs. Hey, you

1367
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: know what, this guy has been, you know, out of

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01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: football for ten years, but hey, I guarantee he's got

1369
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: at least thirty good snaps in him. Come on down now,

1370
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: not falling for that. Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Turkey to you

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Speaker 1: as well and all of our loyal listeners and viewers.

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Speaker 1: Lands and I will not be with you again this week.

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01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: You'll have Russ and Latino and Fiegals and all the

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01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: other folks the rest of the week. So Happy Thanksgiving,

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01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: enjoy your Turkey Day, Giants and Eagles on Sunday stating

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01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: the Giants dot Com of course for coverage in preview

1377
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: of the game, and enjoy your holiday folks watching football,

1378
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: eat some food, has some fun with family, and I

1379
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: want to push some of those troubles away and actually

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01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself for that. I think people can use that

1381
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: a lot in the world where everyone seems to be

1382
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: screaming at each other about something. Mostly we'll beat you

1383
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: on this show. Thank you Lants. All right, you gotta

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Speaker 1: see guys tomorrow on Giants dot Com when Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kick Off Live returns at one