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Speaker 3: In today's episode, in the previously on, it's a surprisingly
Speaker 3: big DC Newsday. Yeah, we're going to talk about an
Speaker 3: unexpected announcement from HBO and the James Gunn of Verse
Speaker 3: with the Lanterns series.
Speaker 4: Get Green lim and coming soon to Amazon Prime.
Speaker 3: It's the unbelievably good looking Batman Cape Crusader trailer, which
Speaker 3: just dropped this morning. In the l it's The Acolyte
Speaker 3: episode five that will get people talking.
Speaker 4: Are they gonna stop complaining? We don't know, but we
Speaker 4: loved it. Cheat Code elderm.
Speaker 3: Ring's new DLC Shadow of the Tree. We're gonna be
Speaker 3: bringing in a correspondent for that one. And in Who's Who,
Speaker 3: our favorite jaw dropping moment in gaming, which actually I
Speaker 3: think I probably know which one me and Jason are
Speaker 3: both gonna pick.
Speaker 4: But first previously on.
Speaker 1: First Up. In what I would classify as a very
Speaker 1: surprising announcement, I did not see this coming, HBO has
Speaker 1: announced that they have Green Lid punintended a new DC
Speaker 1: show Lanterns live action series under the ages of James
Speaker 1: Gunn and Peter Saffran. Eight episodes covering your favorite favorite
Speaker 1: Interglaca space police officers, the Green Lantern Force, and this
Speaker 1: will be show run by Chris Mundy, who gave you
Speaker 1: a true detective Night Country and Ozark and ep Heed
Speaker 1: by a former CIA agent and comic book writer Tom
Speaker 1: King and Damon Linlaw. Yes your thoughts.
Speaker 4: I was not expecting this to happen.
Speaker 3: I'm interested that they're basically leaning into the space cops
Speaker 3: part of it, because that's kind of something we just
Speaker 3: joke about with the Green Lanterns. It's not necessarily a
Speaker 3: pitch for a TV show, but I love John Stewart.
Speaker 3: This is going to be how and John Stewart, and
Speaker 3: the idea is that they kind of have to come
Speaker 3: down to Earth to solve a mystery about a murder.
Speaker 3: In the American Heartland.
Speaker 4: I don't know I would.
Speaker 3: When I look for a green landin show, I'm looking
Speaker 3: for something cosmic, something weird.
Speaker 4: I want to see aliens.
Speaker 3: So this isn't necessarily the pitch I would have picked up,
Speaker 3: but I'm interested. I'm very happy to see that James
Speaker 3: Gunn is kind of directly taking from some comic book
Speaker 3: stuff here, that is, with the inclusion of having Tom
Speaker 3: King on.
Speaker 4: As an EP So, yeah, it's interesting. I will keep
Speaker 4: my eyes peeled for this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, a true detective influenced Lantern series. You
Speaker 1: have my attention quite interested, and I do wonder if
Speaker 1: tonally this will be in the same kind of mode
Speaker 1: that we can kind of expect from the Penguin series having.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: It's going to be that kind of thing because.
Speaker 3: The Penguin series does look really good and that leans
Speaker 3: into that kind of mob crime aesthetic.
Speaker 4: So having another show.
Speaker 3: That kind of takes a different look at crime in
Speaker 3: the DC universe, this more being a true detective style,
Speaker 3: kind of actually supernatural grounded greed. That could be interesting. Actually,
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 4: I like that thought process.
Speaker 1: Next up, the trailer for Caped Crusader, the new series
Speaker 1: for Matt Reeves, JJ Abrams and Warner Brothers animation has
Speaker 1: dropped and folks were excited.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it looks great. And also, can I
Speaker 3: just say something, David Zavlav, my friend, my pal, my
Speaker 3: old mate. I need to tell you something, sir. I
Speaker 3: feel like you are going to regret.
Speaker 4: Not putting this on Max. After the absolute massive success
Speaker 4: of X.
Speaker 3: Men ninety seven, I feel like there is a bigger
Speaker 3: hunger than ever for animated storytelling in the superhero world.
Speaker 4: And you know what, I just I hope that.
Speaker 3: Whatever money Amazon Prime paid you, and I'm sure it
Speaker 3: is a lot, I just think this one should have
Speaker 3: been on Max. I think it would have been a
Speaker 3: huge Max release. I think it would have added press.
Speaker 3: I would have loved to see it, But you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm just happy it existed. Jamie Chung Harley Quinn looks cool.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize it was gonna be like a cool forties.
Speaker 4: Noir set in the era of.
Speaker 3: Batman, kind of just emerging and the Gotham Police trying
Speaker 3: to stop him. We get to see some really cool
Speaker 3: villains here. I also love that they went for the
Speaker 3: old school, Golden age long ear Batman's shoe and the
Speaker 3: kind of like almost like pathetic shoes, his little kind
Speaker 3: of like goblin shoes.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I just thought it looked so good.
Speaker 3: I was excited for it, but I didn't really know
Speaker 3: the premis because there's been so little talked about. But
Speaker 3: it looked stunning and I can't wait.
Speaker 1: Also featured in the series Christina Ricci, Selena Kyle, and
Speaker 1: Diedrich Barter as Harvey Dan.
Speaker 3: Yes, and this is our first time hearing Hamish Linklater's Batman,
Speaker 3: and it sounds very good. He's very great result and
Speaker 3: very serious and he's ready to stop some criming Gotham.
Speaker 1: I will say, what do you think the strategy is
Speaker 1: behind the Amazon release? I do wonder if you know
Speaker 1: Sony has I think wisely navigated the streaming era and
Speaker 1: now the post kind of streaming era by saying, we're
Speaker 1: just going to create content for other people and sell
Speaker 1: that content. We're just going to create stuff that can
Speaker 1: run anywhere that people will want to watch. You do
Speaker 1: wonder if this is like a pivot from the Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers Discovery. Okay, We're we're never going to compete with
Speaker 1: Netflix on subscribers. Let's become a producer of content that
Speaker 1: people want.
Speaker 3: I think that is absolutely a large part of their
Speaker 3: current and moving forward plans, because if you look now,
Speaker 3: you can go on chewbe like a free ad supported service,
Speaker 3: and you can see The Batman. You can go on
Speaker 3: Netflix and you can see pretty much every Warner Brothers movie.
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers is no longer worried about having all their
Speaker 3: exclusive content on Max, which now encompasses so much more
Speaker 3: discovery programming and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think that this is a way for David's.
Speaker 3: As love to get rid of that debt and make
Speaker 3: this money, and I'm very interested about where we go
Speaker 3: from here. This is also the second Batman animated project
Speaker 3: that they've put on Amazon Prime after I think it
Speaker 3: was called like Merry Little Batman Christmas or something, and
Speaker 3: it was like really cute and it was about Damian
Speaker 3: Wayne trying to be a hero at Christmas, and it
Speaker 3: was very weird, super experimental animation, and again something that
Speaker 3: I feel like could have been quite a boon to Max.
Speaker 3: But I understand that Amazon probably paid them a lot
Speaker 3: of money for this, and if it means it's going
Speaker 3: to get an incredible release, then why not, you know,
Speaker 3: if it's gonna if this is gonna actually get pushed
Speaker 3: and promoted, the cost is incredible. I think there's so
Speaker 3: many other people in this role in this show, like
Speaker 3: Adam pointed out, like Mini Driver, McKenna grace read Scott.
Speaker 3: We just don't know who they're playing yet McKenna Grace.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a good Carrie Kelly or Stephanie Brown
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 4: I'd love to see that. But yeah, I'm very interested.
Speaker 4: But I do think you're right.
Speaker 3: I think that's what Warner Brothers is doing now that
Speaker 3: they're happy to have their content elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Next up, we get our first look at David corn
Speaker 1: Sweat in his Clark Kent get up, as studio pictures
Speaker 1: from the new Superman movie have begun to emerge. We
Speaker 1: also see Rachel Brosnahan as as Lois Lane. This is
Speaker 1: not too much to dig into, but let's talk about
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about Clark Kent's hair.
Speaker 1: It's quite bushy, and I think it's I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I When I think Clark Kent, I usually think a
Speaker 1: kind of a fifties kind of like slicked back, slicked back,
Speaker 1: low pompadour kind of thing, and this is more of
Speaker 1: a you know, a mop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a cuition.
Speaker 3: I was surprised a cool youngster's haircut, which I found
Speaker 3: interesting but also could be an interesting twist on why
Speaker 3: don't people recognize Superman when he's Superman. Well, maybe he's
Speaker 3: not wearing glasses and he's got his hair slick back.
Speaker 3: Also another cool thing that we saw from this these
Speaker 3: set photos which leaked are the Eddie Gatheggi Mister Terrific,
Speaker 3: which is like directly adapting that really famous Alex Ross
Speaker 3: painting with the fair play on the arms and the mask.
Speaker 4: It looks great.
Speaker 3: Was that was probably the thing I was most excited about,
Speaker 3: because I think that's a character who hasn't necessarily got
Speaker 3: on his shine, even though I will say shout out
Speaker 3: to the CW and Echo Kellam who played him on
Speaker 3: The Seed, because that was actually a pretty cool take.
Speaker 3: But I'm excited to see a more classic take in
Speaker 3: this series.
Speaker 1: There's some other set photos that have come out I
Speaker 1: think just today since since these more official kind of
Speaker 1: set photos have dropped, that appeared to show Superman being
Speaker 1: taken into custody by the military and also Rick Flagg
Speaker 1: Senior and engineer. Oh, this is quite interesting.
Speaker 3: That would kind of lean into our theory of like,
Speaker 3: you know, the the Authority are essentially going to be
Speaker 3: like a kind of a government superhero body and they
Speaker 3: already exist, and the question is is Superman did he
Speaker 3: predate them or is he a young hero coming up
Speaker 3: who's not working under the guise of the government and
Speaker 3: they want to kind of control him. I'm very interested.
Speaker 3: So it does seem like it will be a Superman
Speaker 3: versus the Authority situation.
Speaker 1: Coming up next' stepping out of the air lock and
Speaker 1: talking about the Acolyte Episode five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it.
Speaker 3: We're in the airlock, look at us, and now we're
Speaker 3: stepping out of it into the forests of Kofar where
Speaker 3: things are. They're not going well for the Jedi, those
Speaker 3: smartly dressed golden robe Jedies, well they got force flung
Speaker 3: by the mysterious Master.
Speaker 4: At the end of the last episode.
Speaker 3: He absolutely just rocked their ship like boom into a tree,
Speaker 3: rocked the shit like it was bad.
Speaker 4: And we join Osha who awakens next.
Speaker 3: To the body, well very close to the body of
Speaker 3: a dead Jedi, the first of many we will see
Speaker 3: in this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sadly the.
Speaker 3: First of many. It's not going well for the Jedi.
Speaker 3: If we were doing a scorecard, they would be losing.
Speaker 3: And interestingly, in the strange of red remnants of the
Speaker 3: masked Force users' powers now it seems like was this
Speaker 3: a tree or some kind of naturally occurring dust around here,
Speaker 3: But whatever happened, there's kind of this strange giant Force
Speaker 3: handprint left from where he flung those aforementioned Jedis. And
Speaker 3: as the sound of lightsabers rings through the forest, very
Speaker 3: exciting for those who have been complaining there's not enough
Speaker 3: lightsabers in this show. There's bad news for Osha because
Speaker 3: the mask Man has his buff arms out and is
Speaker 3: just absolutely cooking the Jedi. And this episode does feel
Speaker 3: specifically targeted at those viewers who feel like there wasn't
Speaker 3: enough lightsaber action in the show, because it is lightsaber
Speaker 3: Battle o'clock.
Speaker 1: It is a just an entire episode that is a
Speaker 1: lightsaber s smaga's.
Speaker 3: Board of fantastic lightsaber work. There was a very famous quote,
Speaker 3: I believe in the lead up to the show coming
Speaker 3: out where somebody said, oh, we want to do better
Speaker 3: fights than you know, the prequels. We want to have
Speaker 3: a fight that's as good as the darth More lightsaber fight.
Speaker 4: And I have to say that is a high bar,
Speaker 4: but I think we do get that in this episode.
Speaker 5: We do get it.
Speaker 1: And the camera work is great, the choreography is wonderful.
Speaker 1: You really feel the swings, yeah, like particularly from Man.
Speaker 1: We'll get to this, but when Jeckie gets in the mix,
Speaker 1: oh man, she is swinging for the fight. She's swinging
Speaker 1: to take the Stranger's head off.
Speaker 4: She's taking that head off.
Speaker 3: And I think something that we get here that's really
Speaker 3: cool is we get multiple Jedi fighting at one time,
Speaker 3: which I think we haven't gotten to see a lot of.
Speaker 3: And I think for a lot of people, like when
Speaker 3: they were talking about the prequels and kind of the
Speaker 3: fights that were in the prequels, especially the later prequels,
Speaker 3: there was this promise of these epic Jedi versus you know,
Speaker 3: dark side fights that never necessarily came.
Speaker 4: And here you get them.
Speaker 3: Because you get them Jecky Saul, the Stranger. We're really
Speaker 3: getting some good stuff. And interestingly, we see that Zipper
Speaker 3: Face aka the Stranger, aka the mass Master, aka someone
Speaker 3: else that we will reveal later has found a way
Speaker 3: to disrupt lightsabers.
Speaker 4: Now, I was watching this very interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was watching this with my incredible friend Jewels,
Speaker 3: which was very funny because he is like a Star Wars,
Speaker 3: especially High Republic kind of mastermind. But he pointed out
Speaker 3: that that's kind of like the nameless in the High
Speaker 3: Republic books. They have a way of basically disrupting lightsabers.
Speaker 3: But as some of our discord users pointed out, which
Speaker 3: I think is probably what we're seeing here, it looks
Speaker 3: like his armor is made of something like cortosis, which
Speaker 3: is this kind of brittle awe which on contact would
Speaker 3: cause lightsabers to kind of short out, and we see
Speaker 3: that in the books.
Speaker 1: So it says I'm sad, Yeah, because he's able to
Speaker 1: use his helmet to this direct disruptor the lightsaber blade and.
Speaker 3: It kind of instantly stops it from working, and his
Speaker 3: kind of Soul fights Zipper Face and we get some
Speaker 3: of that really good action, and it's really nice because
Speaker 3: we get to see the light reflecting back. We get
Speaker 3: the blue light on Soul and the red light on
Speaker 3: Zipper Face, and it looks very dramatic. You're just trying
Speaker 3: to wrangle Osha back to the ship. He's like, it's me.
Speaker 1: I'm a cop.
Speaker 4: My boss gave me an order.
Speaker 3: You got to get back to the ship, Babe, I
Speaker 3: can't go back, and she's like, we gotta can't leave
Speaker 3: our friends behind.
Speaker 4: That's fucked up, and.
Speaker 3: They kind of continue this little argument as the showdown
Speaker 3: between Soul and Zipper Face ramps up, and this is
Speaker 3: you know, we get this great line that I think
Speaker 3: all of us love, and Soul says, you carry a
Speaker 3: Jedi weapon, but you are no Jedi. We love it
Speaker 3: when someone says, but you are no Jedi. That's like
Speaker 3: an iconic Star Wars moment. And the Latimer seriously says,
Speaker 3: you don't remember me now, Jason, Big question bomb bom So.
Speaker 3: In our discord, there has been a lot of discussion
Speaker 3: about does he mean because they met in the apocryphy
Speaker 3: a few days ago, or because they have a deeper
Speaker 3: pass connection that we're going to explore, Like which one
Speaker 3: do you think deeper past?
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 1: It's too heavy, it's too heavy.
Speaker 3: And also he's still wearing the mask at that point,
Speaker 3: so why would Saul remember him?
Speaker 1: Whatever thing is motivating Chimeer the Stranger against the Jets. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Stranger against the Jedi feels too personal and furthermore soul.
Speaker 1: This entire series has appeared to be holding something back.
Speaker 4: Yeah he is.
Speaker 3: I think there's more we also learn here, which I
Speaker 3: love that Sol the zipper face sorry is rocking essentially
Speaker 3: a magneto helmet which stops the Jedi being able to
Speaker 3: get into his head and Jedi mind control him. I
Speaker 3: think this is very interesting because whatever happened to the Stranger,
Speaker 3: we got some interesting lines earlier this season where where
Speaker 3: Kaimer was in the apocrphy and he said, don't Jedi
Speaker 3: mind wipe me Anna.
Speaker 4: That's kind of been like a recurring theme here.
Speaker 3: We saw the Witches getting into the Jedi's heads, but
Speaker 3: there seems to be this fear of what the Jedi
Speaker 3: can do if they get into your mind. So let's
Speaker 3: hold on to that and think about it. And Jeckie
Speaker 3: fans rejoice again our favorite She's back.
Speaker 4: And guess what, she's badass, the little real badass. Like,
Speaker 4: not only is she just a.
Speaker 3: Little half feeling joy to the whole, sweet innocent babe,
Speaker 3: but she is a badass from the moment she steps
Speaker 3: on the scene. This episode, there is this great handtam
Speaker 3: fighting sequence with May that's super extended, and every time
Speaker 3: I thought it would finish, it continued, and interestingly, narratively,
Speaker 3: the pair are very equally matched with similar handtam fighting styles,
Speaker 3: which I think adds fuel to the proverbial fire that
Speaker 3: the man behind the mask is or at one point was,
Speaker 3: a Jedi, which is what Vnestra suspected because she was
Speaker 3: like May has been trained by a Jedi, and seeing
Speaker 3: how equally matched May is with Jeckie, who is currently
Speaker 3: a Padawan, that seems to support that theory. Deep in
Speaker 3: the forest, Jeorde's trying to get Osha back to the ship. Still,
Speaker 3: I don't know how far this ship is, but I
Speaker 3: feel like they parked it too far away, and pauses
Speaker 3: to give a little insight into zipper faces powers. He
Speaker 3: can get inside my head and stay there again those
Speaker 3: Jedi mind wipes. That Jedi's getting into your head. Osha
Speaker 3: points out that is something we saw the Witches do
Speaker 3: to torbin Irp to that man, and so is Zipper
Speaker 3: Face a.
Speaker 4: Student of the witches? Is he one of them? Like
Speaker 4: we're gonna find out soon.
Speaker 1: I think that he is like another child like Ocean
Speaker 1: I think that's what witches. I think, so we didn't
Speaker 1: see that they kept hidden. Maybe they kept him because
Speaker 1: he was a boy.
Speaker 4: Wowow, that's really good. I didn't think about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like he's a boy or he's you know, maybe
Speaker 3: because there was just one so it was all dark
Speaker 3: side potentially. Anyway, zipper Face shows up and him and
Speaker 3: Jackie battle it out in Ironically, in a show full
Speaker 3: of fantastic action, this is some of the best action.
Speaker 3: We unbelievable, we get doubles, Jeckie's breaking out the double sabers.
Speaker 3: She is completely on her shit, like on fire doing
Speaker 3: great Soul comes to Jecki's rescue when it starts to
Speaker 3: look a little bit dicey and uh smashes zipper Face's helmet,
Speaker 3: revealing they're not so surprising true dunt dun dune, that
Speaker 3: it was crime here behind the mask the whole time,
Speaker 3: which we were wrong, but were not so listen not alone.
Speaker 4: I think I think the show wanted us to know.
Speaker 4: I think the show had fun.
Speaker 3: Playing a drunken master trope, playing the surprise he's he
Speaker 3: was right beside you all a long trope, and they
Speaker 3: even kind of have a little meta moment here where
Speaker 3: he forced drags May.
Speaker 4: And he says, you really didn't know it was me,
Speaker 4: even deep down.
Speaker 3: And I just want to say congrats to Leslie Hedlund,
Speaker 3: congrats to Manny Jacinto, because this is probably the sexiest
Speaker 3: Sith of all time. There's always been a Sith fandom,
Speaker 3: a thirst for the darkness and the dark side. You know,
Speaker 3: the kids who would always rather be be hanging out
Speaker 3: with Anakin even though he would have killed them. But
Speaker 3: whatever as so as whatever was lost in surprise was
Speaker 3: gained in hotness, I would say he's climbing up the
Speaker 3: ranks of the hot Sith lords, most hot Sith lords ever.
Speaker 3: You know, he didn't kill any babies as far as
Speaker 3: we know, like Anakin, so Kaimer is very hot. Sorry haters,
Speaker 3: And just like our Sol and Jackie are like clearly
Speaker 3: distracted by the sexiness of the new Sith because boom,
Speaker 3: he just kills Jackie. Like Jackie sees his face and
Speaker 3: she's like, you're so sexy, I can't fight back anymore.
Speaker 3: And also he stabbed her like three very specific places,
Speaker 3: like which I think is interesting in a triangle pattern,
Speaker 3: because my lovely friend Jewels, we were screaming, we couldn't
Speaker 3: believe Jackie was dead, and Jews was like, maybe she
Speaker 3: survived because.
Speaker 4: She's feeling and we don't know where her organs are.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I feel like if that's the case,
Speaker 3: he specifically was going for the organs.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like long lung, heart cool. It
Speaker 1: was crazy that it was actually much more graphic than
Speaker 1: I was expecting for a Disney Plus Star Wars show.
Speaker 3: I do feel like they kind of kept that hidden
Speaker 3: in a really nice way because some of the other shows,
Speaker 3: like Echo, they've kind of hyped up like this is dark,
Speaker 3: this is scary.
Speaker 4: There's gonna be violence.
Speaker 3: But in this show, we've been it's a bit a
Speaker 3: bit more of a YA vibe, younger protagonists, this kind
Speaker 3: of slow burn mystery. But this episode the Jedi get
Speaker 3: got there is like a Jedi massacre. We and and sadly,
Speaker 3: Jecki is not the only fan faith character who dies,
Speaker 3: because almost immediately, guess who else gets killed?
Speaker 1: You listen, we did predict that Jord would visit the Lord,
Speaker 1: and you were correct. I was sadly correct. He gets
Speaker 1: his X snap snap in another what I think was
Speaker 1: quite a brutal kill for a Disney Plus television program
Speaker 1: m HM, but yeah, I am saddened. I'm saddened by
Speaker 1: the losses of Solon, by the losses of Jeckie and you.
Speaker 3: I would rather yeah, I mean, at this point, I
Speaker 3: know Soul's been up to some stuff, so I'm like,
Speaker 3: I think we gotta I would rather like he took
Speaker 3: the lightsaber chopped here than either of these two kids
Speaker 3: who are just trying their best to keep up with
Speaker 3: their master. And you know, they kind of get squashed
Speaker 3: like insects, which is very ironic because that will soon
Speaker 3: come back on Climate as Osha comes up with a
Speaker 3: very smart plan using insects. But before we get there,
Speaker 3: Kimer tries to spread some descent by revealing that Osha
Speaker 3: shouldn't trust Saul after all he's done to interesting.
Speaker 4: I feel like that will come into play.
Speaker 3: Saul almost chops Kimer's head off because I think he
Speaker 3: is like so fucking stressed about getting exposed. Osha stops him,
Speaker 3: and Soul says his mind is twisted by darkness, and
Speaker 3: Climate bites back with what's one of like the Codus
Speaker 3: lines in.
Speaker 4: Sith history, and he says, I've accepted my darkness. What
Speaker 4: have you done with yours. So good, so good.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. I mean, we were talking about this
Speaker 1: before we turn off the mics. Here's another issue with
Speaker 1: the dark Light dichotomy and the Jedi's monopolization of the
Speaker 1: force in general. Don't you also have to have the
Speaker 1: best method of wielding the force?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: You're getting washed by this guy. He's taken out half
Speaker 1: a dozen Jedi and the peak of that powers at
Speaker 1: the peak and their powers, all of them concentrating on
Speaker 1: they can't take him down. Now, the helmet gave him
Speaker 1: a magneto like advantage. You're right, where the Jedi couldn't
Speaker 1: maybe use the parts of the Force they relate with
Speaker 1: that are stronger than a dark Side users. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: bad for the brand.
Speaker 4: If it's bad for the brand.
Speaker 1: Man, if you guys monopolize the force and you're also
Speaker 1: like not as good as one force dark force wielder, Ye,
Speaker 1: who's dunking on all of you?
Speaker 3: Especially because this guy is like not it doesn't at
Speaker 3: least as far as we know, is not some like
Speaker 3: well trained guy like this.
Speaker 1: He even feels very rough.
Speaker 3: So asked him, like, what do you want like what's
Speaker 3: the purpose of this And he's like, I just want
Speaker 3: to use my powers without being told I shouldn't exist,
Speaker 3: which is what you guys do constantly, and he does.
Speaker 3: We get that huge moment here where he says, you know,
Speaker 3: I have no name, but you know, you Jedi would
Speaker 3: probably call me a sith But even in that moment,
Speaker 3: we don't even really know if he is like deeply
Speaker 3: ingrained in Sith lore, or if he has a Sith master,
Speaker 3: or if he just knows that at one point that
Speaker 3: is what the Jedi would have called it. User very interesting.
Speaker 3: Uh Ohsha interrupts this little mental showdown between Chimer and
Speaker 3: Soul by sweeping up the latter with those very useful
Speaker 3: bugs from the last episode people sept it to light.
Speaker 4: People said, why didn't more of those bugs attack the Jedi.
Speaker 4: Why were those bugs introduced?
Speaker 3: Well guess what they were foreshadowing bugs, and now those
Speaker 3: bugs are being used to sweep Chimeer up bum. She
Speaker 3: pops her little pip on his back and they're attracted
Speaker 3: to the light and he gets swept up into the
Speaker 3: trees and OSHA's like, who feel like he said some
Speaker 3: quite important stuff there about me.
Speaker 4: Not trust shouldn't trust you.
Speaker 3: You've done this stuff to me, And as usual, Soul's like,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the truth when we get on the ship,
Speaker 3: which I have to say at this point, this man
Speaker 3: has delayed the truth so much that I feel like
Speaker 3: he's definitely hiding something. As much as I was originally
Speaker 3: a soul apologist, I am now on the side of
Speaker 3: Soul being extremely suss.
Speaker 4: Well, guess what.
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to talk about it a lot later anyway,
Speaker 3: because May stun Soul.
Speaker 4: And tries to celebrate this reunion that she's been fighting for.
Speaker 3: Like, as far as we can tell, the reason made
Speaker 3: it all of this, why she wanted to kill the
Speaker 3: Jedi is because she thought her sister had died.
Speaker 4: Yeah, May, maybe she.
Speaker 3: Was gonna you know, there's been some theories that she
Speaker 3: was maybe gonna try and do a deal that once
Speaker 3: she killed the Jedi, they could try and bring.
Speaker 4: Back her sister or some kind of dark Side magic.
Speaker 3: But you know what, she didn't have to do any
Speaker 3: of that because OSHA's alive, and Osha should be happy
Speaker 3: about this too. No, still Jedi pilled or as May
Speaker 3: puts it, they brainwashed you. Interesting, we will come back
Speaker 3: to that, and as Basil appears, foreshadowing the fact that
Speaker 3: he will probably be the one to solve the episode's
Speaker 3: final gambit that they set up, May and Osha have
Speaker 3: a fight. May wins, May takes OSHA's clothes, gives herself
Speaker 3: an impressive lightsaber haircut.
Speaker 1: Really good, really good. She's just very clean, no burnt ends.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 3: I was impressed, and also as well, like that seems
Speaker 3: like so dangerous and just reckless, like you could have
Speaker 3: chopped your whole head off with that, but you know what,
Speaker 3: gave yourself a great haircut and tricked Saul into taking
Speaker 3: her back to.
Speaker 1: The ship with so you don't smell the brunt hair.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like there must have been something with the
Speaker 4: old parent traps switch through.
Speaker 3: On your e again, millennial millennial TV writers really loved
Speaker 3: that movie.
Speaker 4: It's happening. We leave the episode with solemn may Or,
Speaker 4: as our discord is calling her focha, which I.
Speaker 3: Right, it's good headed onto the Jedi ship alone and
Speaker 3: Kaimer did not get chomped by those bugs. He returns
Speaker 3: back and very sexily covers up Ocea with a little
Speaker 3: blanket while staying and.
Speaker 4: We see that sister. Yeah, we sat. We see Ocean's tattoo, confirming.
Speaker 3: That May did take her clothes and take her body.
Speaker 3: Anna and Kimer kind of states with such incredible beings,
Speaker 3: he's saying some saucy it's like putting her on very
Speaker 3: tenderly for someone who's supposedly so evil. Maybe he thinks
Speaker 3: he's found his new acolyte to study underneath him. So
Speaker 3: big questions at the end of this episode. Now she's
Speaker 3: finally been rejected by her sister, Will May kill Soul
Speaker 3: because he is the last Jedi she needs to kill.
Speaker 3: Will Soul confessed to May thinking she's Osher. Does Soul
Speaker 3: already know he has the wrong twinning custody? He has
Speaker 3: been kind of eager to get May, so maybe he's
Speaker 3: okay with this Will Will Soul saw his sweaty wig
Speaker 3: out because he was absolutely unraveling by the end of
Speaker 3: the episode.
Speaker 4: So, Jason, how did this episode land with you?
Speaker 1: I was amazed? I thought this was a great episode.
Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to light super Fight? I was again
Speaker 1: shocked at the inability of the Jedis to grapple with Kaimer.
Speaker 1: I was I found myself wondering if Kimeer hasn't been
Speaker 1: driving made to the dark side all along, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think those really swift bursts of anger that
Speaker 1: we saw in the Bottle episode, I do wonder if,
Speaker 1: like Palpatine, he hasn't been nurturing this kind of angry
Speaker 1: side in May for a long time, since they were kids.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what the confrontation is going
Speaker 1: to be back on Coruscant. I am fully expecting after
Speaker 1: the bad guys are defeated or whatever the outcome is
Speaker 1: for Saul to be like for Ocean to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: so what you know, what are you talking about? Like
Speaker 1: what happened? Like what are you referring to? And then
Speaker 1: saw the go I'll tell you in a second to
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. Let me just clean up and
Speaker 1: just find some other reason and to not talk about
Speaker 1: it right now. But yeah, I think that I think
Speaker 1: that crime here has been brainwashing people. I think there's
Speaker 1: a possibility that Saul actually doesn't quite remember what happened
Speaker 1: because either the Jedi or Chymeer were messing with his memory.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem like that, like he has some
Speaker 3: kind of block on that. I'm very interested. I think
Speaker 3: I had been of the mindset, though it would have
Speaker 3: been cheeky and probably have annoyed people. I was of
Speaker 3: the mindset that this episode might not continue what we
Speaker 3: saw last episode at all, and would instead give us
Speaker 3: this kind of ration and perspective of what happened on
Speaker 3: Brendock from a different point of view, which of course
Speaker 3: is one of.
Speaker 4: Star Wars's favorite things to do. I think that might
Speaker 4: be what our episode six is now.
Speaker 3: I think we might get to see it from Kimer's
Speaker 3: point of view, from May's point of view. When May
Speaker 3: said the Jedi of brainwashed you, they turned you against me,
Speaker 3: I was immediately kind of taken back, And we were
Speaker 3: talking this in the discord last night when we were
Speaker 3: watching the episode, but a lot of people were kind
Speaker 3: of saying, well, why is May so evil? Like why
Speaker 3: did they write this little kid to be like, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna kill you I'm and then immediately sets fire to
Speaker 3: the house. Like that seems a bit on the nose.
Speaker 3: That seems like it didn't really happen, or that's not natural.
Speaker 3: And I do wonder if perhaps the Jedi implanted that
Speaker 3: memory in OSHA's head and actually it was much more complex,
Speaker 3: or that didn't really happen at all, and they just
Speaker 3: wanted to take Osha because she was so powerful. And
Speaker 3: I'm I'm interested to see so I think we could
Speaker 3: see that next episode. I'm excited to see more. I
Speaker 3: actually am so impressed by how they made man Manny
Speaker 3: Jacinto did a performance here that is so charming and
Speaker 3: weird and good and kind of iconic that I don't
Speaker 3: even think it matters that the Kime review wasn't a surprise,
Speaker 3: Like the fact that they still managed to make it
Speaker 3: cool is I think really impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a really fun piece on this episode in
Speaker 1: Entertainment Weekly in which a showrunner, Lindsay heedlind says that
Speaker 1: they weren't going for like a big shocking surprise. They
Speaker 1: were obviously enough Easter eggs, yeah, and breadcrumbs sprinkled in
Speaker 1: there to do it, but she just wanted to have
Speaker 1: an impact beyond like the mystery. They weren't going for
Speaker 1: that type of bigness, and it did. They really succeeded.
Speaker 1: They really succeeded in there is There's some great quotes
Speaker 1: from Manny Sinto in there, talking about how he's just
Speaker 1: excited because he hasn't been able to talk about what
Speaker 1: his role, yeah is for the last two years, and
Speaker 1: now he's finally able to talk about it.
Speaker 4: I yeah, there's been some there's been some really funny.
Speaker 3: That was a clip of an interview he did at
Speaker 3: the junkt where he says, like, I just really love
Speaker 3: getting to be like the man behind the mosque, and
Speaker 3: then he changes it and he's like, you know, like
Speaker 3: Anakin Skywalker, like that would be my dream role. Because
Speaker 3: he did, and he saves it really well, but you
Speaker 3: can tell.
Speaker 4: In that moment he kind of like slipped out of it.
Speaker 4: So it's fun to see that. But I mean, wow,
Speaker 4: what a performance. I'm very excited for him. This is
Speaker 4: a totally cool, new kind of realm for him, and
Speaker 4: he smashed it quickly.
Speaker 3: Any predictions, I do predict that the Witches were wiped
Speaker 3: out by the Jedi.
Speaker 4: I do I predict that that was a rogue.
Speaker 3: Splinter group of Jedi and they were not approved by
Speaker 3: the higher Jedi powers. I think Vnestra is actually going
Speaker 3: to be I think next week she's going to be detective,
Speaker 3: working to find out what happened, though I will say
Speaker 3: she also could be the person who knows and is
Speaker 3: trying to cover it up, because she did say to Saul,
Speaker 3: why didn't you tell me then that there was a
Speaker 3: chance this poor girl could have survived about May, which
Speaker 3: makes me think that the Jedi were in on it.
Speaker 4: I think we're going to get another perspective from Brendoc.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see whatever skeped the idea of Jedi's
Speaker 3: mind wiping people, putting things into people's heads. I'm definitely
Speaker 3: excited to see that. I'm also interested to see who
Speaker 3: trained Kimer, because I think that's gonna be Was it
Speaker 3: a Jedi, was it a Sith. Also, he said he
Speaker 3: wants an acolyte to study with. I was kind of
Speaker 3: talking about this before we turn the mics on, but
Speaker 3: that to me sounds like he wants an acolyte because
Speaker 3: he wants to kill his master in.
Speaker 4: The sick Rule of two kind of way.
Speaker 3: Obviously, we don't have that many episodes to keep exploring,
Speaker 3: but I'm hoping that the later episodes are longer because
Speaker 3: I do want to spend more time in this world
Speaker 3: and I am really enjoying the story they're telling.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna find out that all of the
Speaker 1: Jedi kil Knaka, you know, the late kil Knaka Rip's Torbin.
Speaker 1: I think that they all were had their memories messed
Speaker 1: with in some former fashion. I think the way that
Speaker 1: Kimer says, you don't remember me is I think it's
Speaker 1: a loaded question. I think he knows that they don't
Speaker 1: remember him. I think he's trying to say, don't you
Speaker 1: think they've been messing with your mind?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Because they did say yeah, And he says to him,
Speaker 3: I sent something familiar, So there's something there, but we
Speaker 3: just don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: And I think that they were to your point, I
Speaker 1: think they were sent to wipe out like stray Force users.
Speaker 3: M M.
Speaker 1: Maybe didn't comport with the way the Jedi see the
Speaker 1: Force should be wielded. And I think in order to
Speaker 1: protect them from what they have to do, they then
Speaker 1: have those memories.
Speaker 4: Of course, because a Jedi is not supposed to kill.
Speaker 4: Oh that's very good.
Speaker 3: Almost like a little Jedi suicide squad that they sent
Speaker 3: out whose mind is messed with. Wow, that's really good.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to potentially see that outcome.
Speaker 1: Up next, we welcome our elden Ring. Corresponded Eric, we're back.
Speaker 1: We're back in elden Ring. Shadow of the Urd Tree,
Speaker 1: The long awaited elden Ring DLC is here for all you.
Speaker 1: Sado massacrests you can't get enough of dying eight hundred
Speaker 1: dives in a row.
Speaker 4: Oh, I include.
Speaker 1: Myself in that statement, and here it to walk us
Speaker 1: through it and talk about their experiences in the DLC
Speaker 1: so far as.
Speaker 5: Super producer Aaron, Hello, I'm excited to join you guys.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: It's so nice to have you here with your voice,
Speaker 3: because you're always here with us, but it's nice to
Speaker 3: be able to chat to you about elden Ring.
Speaker 1: Huge excitement for this DLC. Several New York Times pieces
Speaker 1: dropped you know coming up to it. One review, another
Speaker 1: a review of like the hype and the influencer fueled hype,
Speaker 1: including Kay Senat's like recent multi week run through the game?
Speaker 1: How are you finding it?
Speaker 5: Well? To set it straight, I loved the first game,
Speaker 5: so I'm coming from a biased player, and I'm loving
Speaker 5: this potentially even more than I love the first one.
Speaker 5: It hits everything that I loved about the first one
Speaker 5: and just improves upon it. So there are I've had
Speaker 5: a number of like, I have no idea how far
Speaker 5: into it I am. I think one of the great
Speaker 5: things with Drumsoft games, like you don't. It's not like
Speaker 5: collect the seven crystals. Okay, I have six of them.
Speaker 5: I know I'm almost done. It's just like maybe ring
Speaker 5: two bells and then something is going to happen further on,
Speaker 5: so you never know. I did this morning face off
Speaker 5: against the boss Mesmer, who is like in all the
Speaker 5: promo material, and uh By, my partner came into the
Speaker 5: room and was watching me.
Speaker 4: I was like, you watch this.
Speaker 5: I'm going I'm about to face this boss and I
Speaker 5: walk in. We watched the cinematic. It's incredible. He absolutely
Speaker 5: rocks my shit in like thirty seconds and she goes.
Speaker 1: One hit, two hit.
Speaker 5: It was like two combos and she she just goes,
Speaker 5: he's better than you and left the room. I'm like,
Speaker 5: that's where I am right now.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's good because as someone who I have
Speaker 3: yet to get into the Eldent Tree life, I have
Speaker 3: too many video games in my life already, and I
Speaker 3: know this one will consume me. Something I've been seeing is,
Speaker 3: you know, the bosses are even harder. I saw that
Speaker 3: people are like complaining that too hard, which is so
Speaker 3: fucking funny to me because also like dude, that's just
Speaker 3: every game. That's the point of every game.
Speaker 4: The bosses are hard.
Speaker 3: You have to fight up but okay, Eric, on like
Speaker 3: a scale of like one to ten, like how hard
Speaker 3: is it to how many times are you having to
Speaker 3: fight a boss?
Speaker 4: Do you think before you before you beat them?
Speaker 5: So I've had some that in the DEALC so far,
Speaker 5: some that I've beat within two or three times. I
Speaker 5: don't think.
Speaker 4: There have been a couple of.
Speaker 5: Smaller like world bosses that are like like roaming the
Speaker 5: environment that I've beat the first try. Mesmer, for instance,
Speaker 5: I think I've faced six or seven times and I
Speaker 5: never did more than a third of his life, so like,
Speaker 5: I mean, this will be and I've seen and then
Speaker 5: I look online and people are like, Mesmer was so easy,
Speaker 5: Like this other one that I beat first try was
Speaker 5: so much harder, and so I don't know. That's one
Speaker 5: of the things that I think is so great about
Speaker 5: this game is that the bosses are incredibly difficult, but
Speaker 5: you kind of can have a different experience with them
Speaker 5: than anyone else. And other than maybe one or two
Speaker 5: in the base game, you or and I haven't finished
Speaker 5: the DEALC, so there might be more, but you can
Speaker 5: kind of beat anything with any strategy. You don't have
Speaker 5: the field like you're locked into one move set or
Speaker 5: one weapon, So I really enjoy that you can like
Speaker 5: figure them out, you can like magic them out, you
Speaker 5: can dodge, you can try and block encounter and stuff,
Speaker 5: and you can still beat the bosses thus far. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: and like I have. So one of the main things
Speaker 5: with the DLC is you have to have beaten two
Speaker 5: relatively late game bosses in the main game before you
Speaker 5: can actually access it. Which ones you have to beat
Speaker 5: Mogue the Lord of Blood and Radon who Radon has gotta.
Speaker 3: Jason Summer is So don't expect the hair I'm talking
Speaker 3: about anything else, Baby, it's happening.
Speaker 5: And so, like, you can go in to the DLC
Speaker 5: with a fairly leveled up character already because you had
Speaker 5: to have beat taken out these two late game bosses,
Speaker 5: and so you probably already have some play style set
Speaker 5: up for that character, whether you're like I am a
Speaker 5: strength user and I'm using a big sword or a
Speaker 5: big huge axe, or like I'm a dex user and
Speaker 5: so I have really quick weapons, and so you can
Speaker 5: still probably get away with whatever your plan was originally
Speaker 5: in the DLC, I've only done it with one character
Speaker 5: so far, so I've only been playing on a strength build,
Speaker 5: which is typically not my usual play style, but I
Speaker 5: have just enjoyed it a lot. I found a weapon
Speaker 5: right away that was perfect for me, and I just
Speaker 5: have been going with that.
Speaker 4: I love that also.
Speaker 3: Okay, So another thing that I've I read that I
Speaker 3: thought was so incredible and I was prepping for this
Speaker 3: episode is like people who reviewed the DLC, they were
Speaker 3: saying their review game plays were like thirty or forty
Speaker 3: hours long. So this is an unbelievable amount of content,
Speaker 3: like essentially for some games, an entirely new game. So
Speaker 3: could you talk a little bit about how expansive it feels,
Speaker 3: and like whether that kind of comes across in what
Speaker 3: you've played.
Speaker 5: So far so early on in interviews, Miyazaki, the creator
Speaker 5: of like the head of from Soft. He's been in
Speaker 5: charge of Dark Souls one and three and Bloodborne and
Speaker 5: elden Ring. He said that the map was about the
Speaker 5: same size as Limb Grave, which is the very first
Speaker 5: area you enter in the main day. Yeah, pretty big,
Speaker 5: but not huge. I think everyone pretty much the consensus
Speaker 5: online is that it is much larger than that, and
Speaker 5: it's not just one floor. Basically, it's like a vertical world,
Speaker 5: which means it's big. And I mean, you know, I
Speaker 5: am slow at these games. Some people I know like
Speaker 5: can just roll through it. I'm not that fast. It's
Speaker 5: given me a lot of time so far.
Speaker 1: Let's close with this. Give us your top three tips
Speaker 1: for the new players who are looking to take on
Speaker 1: elden Ring and then eventually the elden Ring Shadow of
Speaker 1: the Old Tree DLC.
Speaker 5: So my first one is to play online. You can
Speaker 5: play either connected on line or not. And the great
Speaker 5: thing about playing online is you see messages that other
Speaker 5: players have left. Some of them are very helpful and
Speaker 5: some of them are not helpful. And you have a
Speaker 5: limited vocablist you can use, so you can't write anything
Speaker 5: you want. But there's a lot of funny things written.
Speaker 5: But the best thing that I think is new in
Speaker 5: elden Ring because it wasn't. It wasn't in Dark Souls
Speaker 5: as far as I remember. But so you can rate
Speaker 5: other people's messages and you rate them good or bad,
Speaker 5: but no one gets to see how the voting has
Speaker 5: gone on them except for the person who wrote it.
Speaker 5: But you see how many ratings there are, so if
Speaker 5: something's really popular, that's usually a good sign. But the
Speaker 5: best thing is if you write a message and someone
Speaker 5: rates it, you get a heal, like just instantaneously, you
Speaker 5: get healed.
Speaker 1: So that's awesome.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I've had multiple times when I've been fighting
Speaker 5: a boss, I'm not doing well, I'm going to die,
Speaker 5: someone raids my message and I'm healed and I survive
Speaker 5: like the next hit and I beat the bos.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love that. That is like so cool.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that was a part of it all.
Speaker 3: I've only really heard of stuff like that and like
Speaker 3: death stranding because I know you could like build bridges.
Speaker 4: And leave stuff for like other players. Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's really cool.
Speaker 5: So that's my first thing is to play online, and
Speaker 5: my second would be to take advantage of the open world.
Speaker 5: So unlike every other Soul is Born, which is a
Speaker 5: little more on rails, this one, you could find a
Speaker 5: boss and be like I'm not ready, I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: do stuff, and you go do other stuff. You can
Speaker 5: mess around all you want in whatever world you're in
Speaker 5: and then come back to the boss later and that
Speaker 5: lets you. Especially that first couple bosses. If you're new
Speaker 5: to Souls Born games, they're gonna be tough and allowing
Speaker 5: yourself to go level up and like just get used
Speaker 5: to your weapon and like how to dodge and fight,
Speaker 5: I think is one hundred percent like way to do it.
Speaker 3: Jason was saying, like, basically just grinding out against like
Speaker 3: low level MPCs who are who are foes and not
Speaker 3: even bosses is like a really good way to kind.
Speaker 5: Of up your Yeah, and then my third one is
Speaker 5: really get excited for that first time. So one of
Speaker 5: the gimmicks of souls borns is you carry your currency,
Speaker 5: your experience all as one, and when you die, you
Speaker 5: drop all of it, kind of like sonic when you
Speaker 5: drop your card.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is extremely extremely stressful.
Speaker 5: Everything it stays in the spot where you died, so
Speaker 5: you can go pick it up. However, if you die again,
Speaker 5: you lose everything that dropped, so you.
Speaker 1: Pick it up before you die.
Speaker 4: Before you pick it up.
Speaker 5: Yes, so my advice is look forward and be excited
Speaker 5: for the first time. That happens when you die a
Speaker 5: second time without saving all your experience, because it sucks,
Speaker 5: and then you're just like all right, well, I got
Speaker 5: nothing to lose. Now, so we're just like, God, we
Speaker 5: lost forty thousand souls, you know whatever, who cares?
Speaker 1: Just move on.
Speaker 5: So that would be my third piece is embrace the
Speaker 5: difficulty and how much it's going to punish you, and
Speaker 5: just it's once you do that and you're like okay
Speaker 5: with the fact that you're gonna have a hard time,
Speaker 5: it's so fun.
Speaker 4: It's love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Erin, we can't wait to have you back
Speaker 1: to Yeah, I can't wait to get into it.
Speaker 4: It's just, oh, I'm going to have.
Speaker 1: So much getting my ass kick, but I'm ready to
Speaker 1: get back into the world. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm great.
Speaker 5: They are ed. Yeah, I'm excited Jason to hear some
Speaker 5: more stories about you starting it up. There's there's a
Speaker 5: character in the beginning that is a nice little reference
Speaker 5: to topics we cover.
Speaker 4: Oh excited, I'm excited.
Speaker 1: We like to end the show with a variety of
Speaker 1: fast moving segments. Today it's Who's Who. We're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about our favorite jaw drop moment in gaming?
Speaker 1: Is what's your favorite jar dropping moment in gaming?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Well, I fear that we may have
Speaker 3: the same one, but I think about it all the time.
Speaker 4: I still talk about it.
Speaker 3: This is a game that is, you know, almost twenty
Speaker 3: years old at this point if you look at the
Speaker 3: original release date in Japan, and for me, it is
Speaker 3: still Shadow of the Colossus great. I think that this
Speaker 3: game is one of the first games I really remember
Speaker 3: being impacted by the narrative.
Speaker 4: I was a big platform gamer as a kid.
Speaker 3: That was really my favorite way to play games, so
Speaker 3: I often wasn't playing deeply narratively heavy games. But this
Speaker 3: game where you realize after you've you know, played as
Speaker 3: Wonder and you're defeating the colossuses and you're doing the
Speaker 3: thing that you're supposed to do when you're a hero
Speaker 3: in a game which is killed the monsters, and then
Speaker 3: you realize that actually you are the villain of the game,
Speaker 3: and the monsters need to survive, and actually the colossuses
Speaker 3: are like part and parcel with nature, and you have
Speaker 3: been doing this terrible thing. I think is still just
Speaker 3: one of the best choices in gaming ever and I
Speaker 3: think still one of the most influential games.
Speaker 5: Like to completely agree.
Speaker 3: To reveal that moment, and to have a game where
Speaker 3: you're essentially playing as an unreliable narrator who makes the
Speaker 3: discovery as the game goes along.
Speaker 4: I think is still up there with one of the
Speaker 4: best shocks of all time.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of things that immediately came to mind.
Speaker 1: One is finding out Samus is a woman in the yeah,
Speaker 1: which was a big deal that had been spoiled for
Speaker 1: me by other kids, but it was a big one.
Speaker 1: There is the last, the twist in the first Last
Speaker 1: of Us game who where you know you just go
Speaker 1: on a killing spree as Joel.
Speaker 4: But I think I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: With the original BioShock game, which is the problematic narrative
Speaker 1: that made you really think about some really juicy moral
Speaker 1: choices throughout the game. But spoiler for those of you
Speaker 1: who haven't played the first a BioShock game. But you
Speaker 1: get to the end and you realize that you have
Speaker 1: been under the hypnotically controlled suggestion of the bad guy,
Speaker 1: the true villain Frank Fontaine, who has been using this
Speaker 1: post hypnotic suggestion of the of the phrase would you
Speaker 1: kindly in order to make you do things against find
Speaker 1: out that you actually don't did not have any free
Speaker 1: will for they of this game, And it's a it
Speaker 1: was I remember at the time it being pretty mind blowing.
Speaker 4: I just was like, wait, what.
Speaker 1: That's my uh right now? That is my favorite jaw
Speaker 1: dropping moment in gaming.
Speaker 4: A great pics.
Speaker 1: Coming up in a mini episode of X ray Vision
Speaker 1: which drops tomorrow. Capsule to revisit the Lisa and al
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Speaker 4: Bob watch what was it? Don't don't sat.
Speaker 1: Watch tomorrow and next week more Housing the Dragon, more accolade.
Speaker 1: That's it for this episode for listening. X ray Vision
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