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Speaker 1: Today's episode contains spoilers for the action packed fifth episode

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Speaker 2: Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and on Rosday Night

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Speaker 2: and welcome back the x Ray Vision, the podcast where

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Speaker 2: we dive deep in your favorite shows, movies, comics and

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Speaker 2: pop culture.

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Speaker 1: Coming to you from my Heart, where we're bringing you

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Speaker 1: to to to action packed episodes every Tuesday Thursday.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, in the previously on, it's a surprisingly

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Speaker 3: big DC Newsday. Yeah, we're going to talk about an

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Speaker 3: unexpected announcement from HBO and the James Gunn of Verse

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Speaker 4: Get Green lim and coming soon to Amazon Prime.

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Speaker 3: It's the unbelievably good looking Batman Cape Crusader trailer, which

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Speaker 3: just dropped this morning. In the l it's The Acolyte

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Speaker 3: episode five that will get people talking.

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Speaker 4: Are they gonna stop complaining? We don't know, but we

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Speaker 4: loved it. Cheat Code elderm.

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Speaker 3: Ring's new DLC Shadow of the Tree. We're gonna be

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Speaker 3: bringing in a correspondent for that one. And in Who's Who,

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Speaker 3: our favorite jaw dropping moment in gaming, which actually I

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Speaker 3: think I probably know which one me and Jason are

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Speaker 4: But first previously on.

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Speaker 1: First Up. In what I would classify as a very

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Speaker 1: surprising announcement, I did not see this coming, HBO has

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Speaker 1: announced that they have Green Lid punintended a new DC

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Speaker 1: show Lanterns live action series under the ages of James

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Speaker 1: Interglaca space police officers, the Green Lantern Force, and this

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Speaker 1: a true detective Night Country and Ozark and ep Heed

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Speaker 4: I was not expecting this to happen.

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Speaker 3: I'm interested that they're basically leaning into the space cops

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Speaker 3: This is going to be how and John Stewart, and

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Speaker 4: I don't know I would.

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Speaker 3: When I look for a green landin show, I'm looking

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Speaker 3: So this isn't necessarily the pitch I would have picked up,

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Speaker 3: but I'm interested. I'm very happy to see that James

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Speaker 4: As an EP So, yeah, it's interesting. I will keep

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Speaker 1: It's going to be that kind of thing because.

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Speaker 3: The Penguin series does look really good and that leans

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Speaker 4: So having another show.

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Speaker 3: That kind of takes a different look at crime in

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Speaker 1: Next up, the trailer for Caped Crusader, the new series

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it looks great. And also, can I

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Speaker 4: Not putting this on Max. After the absolute massive success

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I just thought it looked so good.

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Speaker 1: wonder if this is like a pivot from the Warner

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers is no longer worried about having all their

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Speaker 3: I think that's what Warner Brothers is doing now that

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Speaker 1: Next up, we get our first look at David corn

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Speaker 4: I think I think the show wanted us to know.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of you know, it's kind of

440
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: bad for the brand.

441
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 4: If it's bad for the brand.

442
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: Man, if you guys monopolize the force and you're also

443
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: like not as good as one force dark force wielder, Ye,

444
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: who's dunking on all of you?

445
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 3: Especially because this guy is like not it doesn't at

446
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: least as far as we know, is not some like

447
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: well trained guy like this.

448
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: He even feels very rough.

449
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: So asked him, like, what do you want like what's

450
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 3: the purpose of this And he's like, I just want

451
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: to use my powers without being told I shouldn't exist,

452
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 3: which is what you guys do constantly, and he does.

453
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: We get that huge moment here where he says, you know,

454
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 3: I have no name, but you know, you Jedi would

455
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 3: probably call me a sith But even in that moment,

456
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 3: we don't even really know if he is like deeply

457
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: ingrained in Sith lore, or if he has a Sith master,

458
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 3: or if he just knows that at one point that

459
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 3: is what the Jedi would have called it. User very interesting.

460
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 3: Uh Ohsha interrupts this little mental showdown between Chimer and

461
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: Soul by sweeping up the latter with those very useful

462
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: bugs from the last episode people sept it to light.

463
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 4: People said, why didn't more of those bugs attack the Jedi.

464
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: Why were those bugs introduced?

465
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: Well guess what they were foreshadowing bugs, and now those

466
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: bugs are being used to sweep Chimeer up bum. She

467
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: pops her little pip on his back and they're attracted

468
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 3: to the light and he gets swept up into the

469
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: trees and OSHA's like, who feel like he said some

470
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 3: quite important stuff there about me.

471
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 4: Not trust shouldn't trust you.

472
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: You've done this stuff to me, And as usual, Soul's like,

473
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the truth when we get on the ship,

474
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 3: which I have to say at this point, this man

475
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: has delayed the truth so much that I feel like

476
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 3: he's definitely hiding something. As much as I was originally

477
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 3: a soul apologist, I am now on the side of

478
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 3: Soul being extremely suss.

479
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 4: Well, guess what.

480
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to talk about it a lot later anyway,

481
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: because May stun Soul.

482
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: And tries to celebrate this reunion that she's been fighting for.

483
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: Like, as far as we can tell, the reason made

484
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: it all of this, why she wanted to kill the

485
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 3: Jedi is because she thought her sister had died.

486
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, May, maybe she.

487
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: Was gonna you know, there's been some theories that she

488
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 3: was maybe gonna try and do a deal that once

489
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 3: she killed the Jedi, they could try and bring.

490
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 4: Back her sister or some kind of dark Side magic.

491
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 3: But you know what, she didn't have to do any

492
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 3: of that because OSHA's alive, and Osha should be happy

493
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: about this too. No, still Jedi pilled or as May

494
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: puts it, they brainwashed you. Interesting, we will come back

495
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: to that, and as Basil appears, foreshadowing the fact that

496
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: he will probably be the one to solve the episode's

497
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 3: final gambit that they set up, May and Osha have

498
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: a fight. May wins, May takes OSHA's clothes, gives herself

499
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: an impressive lightsaber haircut.

500
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Really good, really good. She's just very clean, no burnt ends.

501
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: I was.

502
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: I was impressed, and also as well, like that seems

503
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: like so dangerous and just reckless, like you could have

504
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: chopped your whole head off with that, but you know what,

505
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: gave yourself a great haircut and tricked Saul into taking

506
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 3: her back to.

507
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: The ship with so you don't smell the brunt hair.

508
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like there must have been something with the

509
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 4: old parent traps switch through.

510
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 3: On your e again, millennial millennial TV writers really loved

511
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: that movie.

512
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 4: It's happening. We leave the episode with solemn may Or,

513
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: as our discord is calling her focha, which I.

514
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: Right, it's good headed onto the Jedi ship alone and

515
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: Kaimer did not get chomped by those bugs. He returns

516
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: back and very sexily covers up Ocea with a little

517
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: blanket while staying and.

518
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 4: We see that sister. Yeah, we sat. We see Ocean's tattoo, confirming.

519
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: That May did take her clothes and take her body.

520
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 3: Anna and Kimer kind of states with such incredible beings,

521
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: he's saying some saucy it's like putting her on very

522
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: tenderly for someone who's supposedly so evil. Maybe he thinks

523
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: he's found his new acolyte to study underneath him. So

524
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: big questions at the end of this episode. Now she's

525
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: finally been rejected by her sister, Will May kill Soul

526
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: because he is the last Jedi she needs to kill.

527
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: Will Soul confessed to May thinking she's Osher. Does Soul

528
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: already know he has the wrong twinning custody? He has

529
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: been kind of eager to get May, so maybe he's

530
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: okay with this Will Will Soul saw his sweaty wig

531
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: out because he was absolutely unraveling by the end of

532
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: the episode.

533
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: So, Jason, how did this episode land with you?

534
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: I was amazed? I thought this was a great episode.

535
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to light super Fight? I was again

536
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: shocked at the inability of the Jedis to grapple with Kaimer.

537
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: I was I found myself wondering if Kimeer hasn't been

538
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: driving made to the dark side all along, you know,

539
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: because I think those really swift bursts of anger that

540
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: we saw in the Bottle episode, I do wonder if,

541
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: like Palpatine, he hasn't been nurturing this kind of angry

542
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: side in May for a long time, since they were kids.

543
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what the confrontation is going

544
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: to be back on Coruscant. I am fully expecting after

545
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: the bad guys are defeated or whatever the outcome is

546
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: for Saul to be like for Ocean to say, Okay,

547
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: so what you know, what are you talking about? Like

548
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: what happened? Like what are you referring to? And then

549
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: saw the go I'll tell you in a second to

550
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. Let me just clean up and

551
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: just find some other reason and to not talk about

552
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: it right now. But yeah, I think that I think

553
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: that crime here has been brainwashing people. I think there's

554
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: a possibility that Saul actually doesn't quite remember what happened

555
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: because either the Jedi or Chymeer were messing with his memory.

556
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does seem like that, like he has some

557
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: kind of block on that. I'm very interested. I think

558
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: I had been of the mindset, though it would have

559
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: been cheeky and probably have annoyed people. I was of

560
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 3: the mindset that this episode might not continue what we

561
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 3: saw last episode at all, and would instead give us

562
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 3: this kind of ration and perspective of what happened on

563
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: Brendock from a different point of view, which of course

564
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: is one of.

565
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 4: Star Wars's favorite things to do. I think that might

566
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 4: be what our episode six is now.

567
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: I think we might get to see it from Kimer's

568
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: point of view, from May's point of view. When May

569
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: said the Jedi of brainwashed you, they turned you against me,

570
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: I was immediately kind of taken back, And we were

571
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: talking this in the discord last night when we were

572
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: watching the episode, but a lot of people were kind

573
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: of saying, well, why is May so evil? Like why

574
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: did they write this little kid to be like, I'm

575
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: gonna kill you I'm and then immediately sets fire to

576
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: the house. Like that seems a bit on the nose.

577
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: That seems like it didn't really happen, or that's not natural.

578
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: And I do wonder if perhaps the Jedi implanted that

579
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: memory in OSHA's head and actually it was much more complex,

580
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: or that didn't really happen at all, and they just

581
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: wanted to take Osha because she was so powerful. And

582
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: I'm I'm interested to see so I think we could

583
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: see that next episode. I'm excited to see more. I

584
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: actually am so impressed by how they made man Manny

585
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 3: Jacinto did a performance here that is so charming and

586
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: weird and good and kind of iconic that I don't

587
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: even think it matters that the Kime review wasn't a surprise,

588
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: Like the fact that they still managed to make it

589
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: cool is I think really impressive.

590
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a really fun piece on this episode in

591
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: Entertainment Weekly in which a showrunner, Lindsay heedlind says that

592
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 1: they weren't going for like a big shocking surprise. They

593
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: were obviously enough Easter eggs, yeah, and breadcrumbs sprinkled in

594
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: there to do it, but she just wanted to have

595
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: an impact beyond like the mystery. They weren't going for

596
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: that type of bigness, and it did. They really succeeded.

597
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: They really succeeded in there is There's some great quotes

598
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: from Manny Sinto in there, talking about how he's just

599
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: excited because he hasn't been able to talk about what

600
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: his role, yeah is for the last two years, and

601
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: now he's finally able to talk about it.

602
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: I yeah, there's been some there's been some really funny.

603
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 3: That was a clip of an interview he did at

604
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: the junkt where he says, like, I just really love

605
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: getting to be like the man behind the mosque, and

606
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: then he changes it and he's like, you know, like

607
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 3: Anakin Skywalker, like that would be my dream role. Because

608
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: he did, and he saves it really well, but you

609
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: can tell.

610
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: In that moment he kind of like slipped out of it.

611
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: So it's fun to see that. But I mean, wow,

612
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 4: what a performance. I'm very excited for him. This is

613
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: a totally cool, new kind of realm for him, and

614
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 4: he smashed it quickly.

615
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: Any predictions, I do predict that the Witches were wiped

616
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: out by the Jedi.

617
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: I do I predict that that was a rogue.

618
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: Splinter group of Jedi and they were not approved by

619
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: the higher Jedi powers. I think Vnestra is actually going

620
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: to be I think next week she's going to be detective,

621
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: working to find out what happened, though I will say

622
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: she also could be the person who knows and is

623
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: trying to cover it up, because she did say to Saul,

624
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: why didn't you tell me then that there was a

625
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: chance this poor girl could have survived about May, which

626
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: makes me think that the Jedi were in on it.

627
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: I think we're going to get another perspective from Brendoc.

628
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see whatever skeped the idea of Jedi's

629
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: mind wiping people, putting things into people's heads. I'm definitely

630
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: excited to see that. I'm also interested to see who

631
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: trained Kimer, because I think that's gonna be Was it

632
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: a Jedi, was it a Sith. Also, he said he

633
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: wants an acolyte to study with. I was kind of

634
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: talking about this before we turn the mics on, but

635
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: that to me sounds like he wants an acolyte because

636
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: he wants to kill his master in.

637
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: The sick Rule of two kind of way.

638
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: Obviously, we don't have that many episodes to keep exploring,

639
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: but I'm hoping that the later episodes are longer because

640
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: I do want to spend more time in this world

641
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: and I am really enjoying the story they're telling.

642
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna find out that all of the

643
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: Jedi kil Knaka, you know, the late kil Knaka Rip's Torbin.

644
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: I think that they all were had their memories messed

645
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: with in some former fashion. I think the way that

646
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: Kimer says, you don't remember me is I think it's

647
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: a loaded question. I think he knows that they don't

648
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: remember him. I think he's trying to say, don't you

649
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: think they've been messing with your mind?

650
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

651
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 3: Because they did say yeah, And he says to him,

652
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: I sent something familiar, So there's something there, but we

653
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: just don't know what it is.

654
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: And I think that they were to your point, I

655
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: think they were sent to wipe out like stray Force users.

656
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 3: M M.

657
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Speaker 1: Maybe didn't comport with the way the Jedi see the

658
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Speaker 1: Force should be wielded. And I think in order to

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Speaker 1: protect them from what they have to do, they then

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Speaker 1: have those memories.

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Speaker 4: Of course, because a Jedi is not supposed to kill.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's very good.

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Speaker 3: Almost like a little Jedi suicide squad that they sent

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Speaker 3: out whose mind is messed with. Wow, that's really good.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to potentially see that outcome.

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Speaker 1: Up next, we welcome our elden Ring. Corresponded Eric, we're back.

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Speaker 1: We're back in elden Ring. Shadow of the Urd Tree,

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Speaker 1: The long awaited elden Ring DLC is here for all you.

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Speaker 1: Sado massacrests you can't get enough of dying eight hundred

670
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Speaker 1: dives in a row.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I include.

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Speaker 1: Myself in that statement, and here it to walk us

673
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Speaker 1: through it and talk about their experiences in the DLC

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Speaker 1: so far as.

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Speaker 5: Super producer Aaron, Hello, I'm excited to join you guys.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 3: It's so nice to have you here with your voice,

678
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Speaker 3: because you're always here with us, but it's nice to

679
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Speaker 3: be able to chat to you about elden Ring.

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Speaker 1: Huge excitement for this DLC. Several New York Times pieces

681
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Speaker 1: dropped you know coming up to it. One review, another

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Speaker 1: a review of like the hype and the influencer fueled hype,

683
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Speaker 1: including Kay Senat's like recent multi week run through the game?

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Speaker 1: How are you finding it?

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Speaker 5: Well? To set it straight, I loved the first game,

686
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Speaker 5: so I'm coming from a biased player, and I'm loving

687
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 5: this potentially even more than I love the first one.

688
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 5: It hits everything that I loved about the first one

689
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Speaker 5: and just improves upon it. So there are I've had

690
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Speaker 5: a number of like, I have no idea how far

691
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Speaker 5: into it I am. I think one of the great

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Speaker 5: things with Drumsoft games, like you don't. It's not like

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Speaker 5: collect the seven crystals. Okay, I have six of them.

694
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Speaker 5: I know I'm almost done. It's just like maybe ring

695
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 5: two bells and then something is going to happen further on,

696
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Speaker 5: so you never know. I did this morning face off

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Speaker 5: against the boss Mesmer, who is like in all the

698
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 5: promo material, and uh By, my partner came into the

699
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Speaker 5: room and was watching me.

700
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Speaker 4: I was like, you watch this.

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Speaker 5: I'm going I'm about to face this boss and I

702
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 5: walk in. We watched the cinematic. It's incredible. He absolutely

703
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 5: rocks my shit in like thirty seconds and she goes.

704
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Speaker 1: One hit, two hit.

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Speaker 5: It was like two combos and she she just goes,

706
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Speaker 5: he's better than you and left the room. I'm like,

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Speaker 5: that's where I am right now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that's good because as someone who I have

709
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Speaker 3: yet to get into the Eldent Tree life, I have

710
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 3: too many video games in my life already, and I

711
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: know this one will consume me. Something I've been seeing is,

712
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Speaker 3: you know, the bosses are even harder. I saw that

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Speaker 3: people are like complaining that too hard, which is so

714
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Speaker 3: fucking funny to me because also like dude, that's just

715
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Speaker 3: every game. That's the point of every game.

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Speaker 4: The bosses are hard.

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Speaker 3: You have to fight up but okay, Eric, on like

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Speaker 3: a scale of like one to ten, like how hard

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Speaker 3: is it to how many times are you having to

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Speaker 3: fight a boss?

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Speaker 4: Do you think before you before you beat them?

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Speaker 5: So I've had some that in the DEALC so far,

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Speaker 5: some that I've beat within two or three times. I

724
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Speaker 5: don't think.

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Speaker 4: There have been a couple of.

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Speaker 5: Smaller like world bosses that are like like roaming the

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Speaker 5: environment that I've beat the first try. Mesmer, for instance,

728
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Speaker 5: I think I've faced six or seven times and I

729
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 5: never did more than a third of his life, so like,

730
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Speaker 5: I mean, this will be and I've seen and then

731
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Speaker 5: I look online and people are like, Mesmer was so easy,

732
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Speaker 5: Like this other one that I beat first try was

733
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Speaker 5: so much harder, and so I don't know. That's one

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Speaker 5: of the things that I think is so great about

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Speaker 5: this game is that the bosses are incredibly difficult, but

736
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Speaker 5: you kind of can have a different experience with them

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Speaker 5: than anyone else. And other than maybe one or two

738
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Speaker 5: in the base game, you or and I haven't finished

739
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Speaker 5: the DEALC, so there might be more, but you can

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Speaker 5: kind of beat anything with any strategy. You don't have

741
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Speaker 5: the field like you're locked into one move set or

742
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Speaker 5: one weapon, So I really enjoy that you can like

743
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Speaker 5: figure them out, you can like magic them out, you

744
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Speaker 5: can dodge, you can try and block encounter and stuff,

745
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Speaker 5: and you can still beat the bosses thus far. Yes, yeah,

746
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Speaker 5: and like I have. So one of the main things

747
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Speaker 5: with the DLC is you have to have beaten two

748
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Speaker 5: relatively late game bosses in the main game before you

749
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Speaker 5: can actually access it. Which ones you have to beat

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Speaker 5: Mogue the Lord of Blood and Radon who Radon has gotta.

751
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Speaker 3: Jason Summer is So don't expect the hair I'm talking

752
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Speaker 3: about anything else, Baby, it's happening.

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Speaker 5: And so, like, you can go in to the DLC

754
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 5: with a fairly leveled up character already because you had

755
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Speaker 5: to have beat taken out these two late game bosses,

756
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 5: and so you probably already have some play style set

757
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 5: up for that character, whether you're like I am a

758
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Speaker 5: strength user and I'm using a big sword or a

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00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 5: big huge axe, or like I'm a dex user and

760
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Speaker 5: so I have really quick weapons, and so you can

761
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Speaker 5: still probably get away with whatever your plan was originally

762
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Speaker 5: in the DLC, I've only done it with one character

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Speaker 5: so far, so I've only been playing on a strength build,

764
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Speaker 5: which is typically not my usual play style, but I

765
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Speaker 5: have just enjoyed it a lot. I found a weapon

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Speaker 5: right away that was perfect for me, and I just

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Speaker 5: have been going with that.

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Speaker 4: I love that also.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So another thing that I've I read that I

770
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Speaker 3: thought was so incredible and I was prepping for this

771
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Speaker 3: episode is like people who reviewed the DLC, they were

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Speaker 3: saying their review game plays were like thirty or forty

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Speaker 3: hours long. So this is an unbelievable amount of content,

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Speaker 3: like essentially for some games, an entirely new game. So

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Speaker 3: could you talk a little bit about how expansive it feels,

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Speaker 3: and like whether that kind of comes across in what

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Speaker 3: you've played.

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Speaker 5: So far so early on in interviews, Miyazaki, the creator

779
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Speaker 5: of like the head of from Soft. He's been in

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Speaker 5: charge of Dark Souls one and three and Bloodborne and

781
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Speaker 5: elden Ring. He said that the map was about the

782
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Speaker 5: same size as Limb Grave, which is the very first

783
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 5: area you enter in the main day. Yeah, pretty big,

784
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Speaker 5: but not huge. I think everyone pretty much the consensus

785
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Speaker 5: online is that it is much larger than that, and

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Speaker 5: it's not just one floor. Basically, it's like a vertical world,

787
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Speaker 5: which means it's big. And I mean, you know, I

788
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 5: am slow at these games. Some people I know like

789
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 5: can just roll through it. I'm not that fast. It's

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Speaker 5: given me a lot of time so far.

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Speaker 1: Let's close with this. Give us your top three tips

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Speaker 1: for the new players who are looking to take on

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Speaker 1: elden Ring and then eventually the elden Ring Shadow of

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Speaker 1: the Old Tree DLC.

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Speaker 5: So my first one is to play online. You can

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00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 5: play either connected on line or not. And the great

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00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 5: thing about playing online is you see messages that other

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Speaker 5: players have left. Some of them are very helpful and

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Speaker 5: some of them are not helpful. And you have a

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Speaker 5: limited vocablist you can use, so you can't write anything

801
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 5: you want. But there's a lot of funny things written.

802
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 5: But the best thing that I think is new in

803
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 5: elden Ring because it wasn't. It wasn't in Dark Souls

804
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 5: as far as I remember. But so you can rate

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00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 5: other people's messages and you rate them good or bad,

806
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 5: but no one gets to see how the voting has

807
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 5: gone on them except for the person who wrote it.

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00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 5: But you see how many ratings there are, so if

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00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: something's really popular, that's usually a good sign. But the

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00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 5: best thing is if you write a message and someone

811
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Speaker 5: rates it, you get a heal, like just instantaneously, you

812
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Speaker 5: get healed.

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Speaker 1: So that's awesome.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And I've had multiple times when I've been fighting

815
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Speaker 5: a boss, I'm not doing well, I'm going to die,

816
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 5: someone raids my message and I'm healed and I survive

817
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 5: like the next hit and I beat the bos.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love that. That is like so cool.

819
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Speaker 4: I didn't know that was a part of it all.

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Speaker 3: I've only really heard of stuff like that and like

821
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Speaker 3: death stranding because I know you could like build bridges.

822
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Speaker 4: And leave stuff for like other players. Well yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's really cool.

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Speaker 5: So that's my first thing is to play online, and

825
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 5: my second would be to take advantage of the open world.

826
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Speaker 5: So unlike every other Soul is Born, which is a

827
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Speaker 5: little more on rails, this one, you could find a

828
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Speaker 5: boss and be like I'm not ready, I'm gonna go

829
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Speaker 5: do stuff, and you go do other stuff. You can

830
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Speaker 5: mess around all you want in whatever world you're in

831
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Speaker 5: and then come back to the boss later and that

832
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Speaker 5: lets you. Especially that first couple bosses. If you're new

833
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Speaker 5: to Souls Born games, they're gonna be tough and allowing

834
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Speaker 5: yourself to go level up and like just get used

835
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Speaker 5: to your weapon and like how to dodge and fight,

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Speaker 5: I think is one hundred percent like way to do it.

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Speaker 3: Jason was saying, like, basically just grinding out against like

838
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Speaker 3: low level MPCs who are who are foes and not

839
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Speaker 3: even bosses is like a really good way to kind.

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Speaker 5: Of up your Yeah, and then my third one is

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Speaker 5: really get excited for that first time. So one of

842
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 5: the gimmicks of souls borns is you carry your currency,

843
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: your experience all as one, and when you die, you

844
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Speaker 5: drop all of it, kind of like sonic when you

845
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Speaker 5: drop your card.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is extremely extremely stressful.

847
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 5: Everything it stays in the spot where you died, so

848
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 5: you can go pick it up. However, if you die again,

849
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 5: you lose everything that dropped, so you.

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Speaker 1: Pick it up before you die.

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00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 4: Before you pick it up.

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00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 5: Yes, so my advice is look forward and be excited

853
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 5: for the first time. That happens when you die a

854
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 5: second time without saving all your experience, because it sucks,

855
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 5: and then you're just like all right, well, I got

856
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 5: nothing to lose. Now, so we're just like, God, we

857
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 5: lost forty thousand souls, you know whatever, who cares?

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Speaker 1: Just move on.

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00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 5: So that would be my third piece is embrace the

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Speaker 5: difficulty and how much it's going to punish you, and

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00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 5: just it's once you do that and you're like okay

862
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 5: with the fact that you're gonna have a hard time,

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Speaker 5: it's so fun.

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Speaker 4: It's love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well Erin, we can't wait to have you back

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, I can't wait to get into it.

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Speaker 4: It's just, oh, I'm going to have.

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Speaker 1: So much getting my ass kick, but I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: get back into the world. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm great.

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00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 5: They are ed. Yeah, I'm excited Jason to hear some

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00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 5: more stories about you starting it up. There's there's a

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00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 5: character in the beginning that is a nice little reference

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Speaker 5: to topics we cover.

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Speaker 4: Oh excited, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: We like to end the show with a variety of

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Speaker 1: fast moving segments. Today it's Who's Who. We're going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about our favorite jaw drop moment in gaming?

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Speaker 1: Is what's your favorite jar dropping moment in gaming?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Well, I fear that we may have

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Speaker 3: the same one, but I think about it all the time.

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Speaker 4: I still talk about it.

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Speaker 3: This is a game that is, you know, almost twenty

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Speaker 3: years old at this point if you look at the

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Speaker 3: original release date in Japan, and for me, it is

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Speaker 3: still Shadow of the Colossus great. I think that this

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Speaker 3: game is one of the first games I really remember

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Speaker 3: being impacted by the narrative.

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Speaker 4: I was a big platform gamer as a kid.

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Speaker 3: That was really my favorite way to play games, so

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Speaker 3: I often wasn't playing deeply narratively heavy games. But this

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Speaker 3: game where you realize after you've you know, played as

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Speaker 3: Wonder and you're defeating the colossuses and you're doing the

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Speaker 3: thing that you're supposed to do when you're a hero

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Speaker 3: in a game which is killed the monsters, and then

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Speaker 3: you realize that actually you are the villain of the game,

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Speaker 3: and the monsters need to survive, and actually the colossuses

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Speaker 3: are like part and parcel with nature, and you have

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Speaker 3: been doing this terrible thing. I think is still just

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Speaker 3: one of the best choices in gaming ever and I

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Speaker 3: think still one of the most influential games.

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Speaker 5: Like to completely agree.

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Speaker 3: To reveal that moment, and to have a game where

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Speaker 3: you're essentially playing as an unreliable narrator who makes the

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Speaker 3: discovery as the game goes along.

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Speaker 4: I think is still up there with one of the

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Speaker 4: best shocks of all time.

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Speaker 1: I had a couple of things that immediately came to mind.

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Speaker 1: One is finding out Samus is a woman in the yeah,

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Speaker 1: which was a big deal that had been spoiled for

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Speaker 1: me by other kids, but it was a big one.

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Speaker 1: There is the last, the twist in the first Last

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Speaker 1: of Us game who where you know you just go

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Speaker 1: on a killing spree as Joel.

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Speaker 4: But I think I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 1: With the original BioShock game, which is the problematic narrative

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Speaker 1: that made you really think about some really juicy moral

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Speaker 1: choices throughout the game. But spoiler for those of you

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Speaker 1: who haven't played the first a BioShock game. But you

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Speaker 1: get to the end and you realize that you have

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Speaker 1: been under the hypnotically controlled suggestion of the bad guy,

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Speaker 1: the true villain Frank Fontaine, who has been using this

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Speaker 1: post hypnotic suggestion of the of the phrase would you

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Speaker 1: kindly in order to make you do things against find

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Speaker 1: out that you actually don't did not have any free

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Speaker 1: will for they of this game, And it's a it

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Speaker 1: was I remember at the time it being pretty mind blowing.

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Speaker 4: I just was like, wait, what.

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Speaker 1: That's my uh right now? That is my favorite jaw

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Speaker 1: dropping moment in gaming.

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Speaker 4: A great pics.

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Speaker 1: Coming up in a mini episode of X ray Vision

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Speaker 1: which drops tomorrow. Capsule to revisit the Lisa and al

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Speaker 1: gaib and Dune Part two and next year of course

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Speaker 1: use the one.

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Speaker 5: Dude Bob Old.

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Speaker 4: Bob watch what was it? Don't don't sat.

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Speaker 1: Watch tomorrow and next week more Housing the Dragon, more accolade.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode for listening. X ray Vision

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Speaker 1: is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are Joelle

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Speaker 1: Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a booze Afar.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor. Our theme

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Speaker 1: song is by Brian and Basquez.

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Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord. Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 4: and Heidi are Discord moderator