WEBVTT - “I CAN’T STOP BEING INFLUENCED” 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.320 Hello, how it goes a while? How you doing, man? 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:07.960 I I'm doing all right, brother, I'm you know, another day, 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.440 another day of being alive on the Great Green Earth, 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:18.560 doing my job eating food. I cooked breakfast this morning. 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.960 I never do that, but I did it too. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:23.439 You cooked breakfast. That's actually insane to hear that. 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.520 Are you? Are you? I feel like the way you 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.160 said hi to me makes me feel like you listen 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.320 to the show, and you listening to the show makes 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.680 me feel like you maybe know me a little bit, 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.680 and that makes me feel like you actually are not 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.839 fucking with me by saying that you are surprised that 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:44.040 I cooked breakfast. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.520 No, I'm not fucking with you at all, dude. I've 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.800 listened to you for like five years, and like in 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.680 my head, like at one point I thought you were famous. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.639 So like, yeah, I've known you for a while and 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.360 like you're a guy in my head that like you 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.760 like order food in my head, like a lot of food. 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:03.320 So I'm like, you cooked breakfast. That's like surprising me 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:04.479 here off the top of my head. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:09.680 I love I love that I went from famous in 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.800 your head to a guy that orders a lot of food. 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:16.279 You were always the guy that ordered a lot of food. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.160 But but I guess, like I don't know how to 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:22.320 explain this, but like influencers in my head went from 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.479 being like famous to now just having influence. And if 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:27.000 that makes. 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:30.320 Sense, they went from famous to having influence. Can you 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:30.840 explain this? 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.920 Yeah, Like if I saw certain influencers prior, like maybe 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.600 like twenty eighteen, maybe I would like freak out a 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.399 little bit or they would feel more rare. But now 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.679 when I see an influencer, I just think more like 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.080 that they have like a following, or they have like 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.919 they're have being connections with businesses in that of that nature, 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.360 or maybe they have money or they have like a 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.240 good job. Like I don't always think they're famous. Like 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:03.320 there might be somebody with seven hundred thousand followers on Instagram. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.440 They're an influencer, but they're not famous if that makes sense. 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:12.400 Okay, that makes perfect sense. But wait, who what influencers 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.440 have you seen in real life? 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.720 In real life, I've seen Melvin Gregg if you know 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:19.399 who that is? 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.640 No, who the fuck is I'm looking them up. 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:25.799 He's like a vine influencer that's now like an actor 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:27.639 on like Netflix and stuff like that. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.880 Oh I feel like I've maybe seen this dude before. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:36.520 Yeah, other influencers, I can't off the top of my head, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:41.639 I can't think of other influences. Oh, I've seen Chancellor 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.760 rapper walking around in Chicago before. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:45.160 Okay, I know he's not. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.960 Really like an influencer, he's a rapper, But yeah, I 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.239 feel like people. I feel like Internet people are losing 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:51.840 a little bit of. 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.919 Power, as they should. I mean, it makes total sense. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:02.079 No one's really famous right now. I mean, actually that's 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.960 not true. The there's a few people who are famous 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:10.600 right now, but the internet famous. Speed is famous, Timothy 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:16.960 Shalame is famous. Ye, Like it's weird, dude, Like, there's 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.720 all there's so many fucking people who have like I mean, 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:25.560 every day I learned about some motherfucker who I've never 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.400 heard of in my life that has like however many 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:35.040 followers and like sells out giant theater tours and all 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:39.320 this crap, And I just have no idea who they are. 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.280 It used to be there, used to be like less 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.480 of an outly But that's good. It's kind of awesome though, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:50.560 right because I feel like it's democratized the media landscape 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.200 and it's also led to this like, I guess middle 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:59.560 class of creator where you can make Wait, why is 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:00.200 it scary? 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.920 Because I think like the pipelines from like I think 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.280 the pipeline of having no money and like selling munch 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.320 of courses online or gaining a much of influence on 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.760 the internet and like making a living is like great 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:17.080 for the middle class in the lower class of society, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.560 And I think if you take that away, that just 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:24.599 is like another tool people can't access for like financial mobility. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:26.840 Wait, why do you feel like hold on? I was 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.400 just about to say the opposite. I was about to say, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.080 it's good for like the middle class of greater because 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.000 you can because you can make like if you're if 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.640 you're smart, you can figure out how to make like 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.840 a living by even if you're not like that famous. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:42.360 But you see, okay, say that, say that first part again, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:47.840 say that first part if you're smart. Yeah, exactly. That's 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:53.480 not everybody. That's not everybody. Like I see people on 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.120 Instagram talking like they have like, you know, twenty five 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.640 thousand followers. They put up a video that gets like 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.159 seven hundred kviews or whatever, and they're like, yeah, I 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.880 made you know, two hundred bucks, And I'm like, yeah, 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.360 it's it's like hard to monetize off of the Internet 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.760 if you're not like sad, like you have a podcast 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.240 that's like I don't know, gained a lot of tracks 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.000 into like twenty I don't know. I don't, I don't 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.760 I remember when I started watching. I think I started 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.600 watching in twenty twenty one. But I think you started 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.359 in like twenty nineteen right on like reddit or something, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:24.440 or twenty twenty. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.200 Yes, twenty on Reddit. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.320 That's not everybody's case. 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:30.839 It is, No, it's true. I mean I make I 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:35.880 make a living through I make a living primarily through 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:41.279 the like this podcast and through touring. But like there's 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.880 a lot of like I don't like, I don't make 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:45.840 I don't like I don't really make any money, Like 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.680 I make virtually zero money, like posting videos on Instagram. 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:54.120 But there's some people who, like all they do is 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:59.160 post videos on Instagram, and I always, I serio say that, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.000 like all the time. I look of those profiles and 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:06.520 I'm like, how is this person making a living? 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.039 It just depends in my opinion who it is and 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.760 like what their monetization model is. Like For instance, there's 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:18.320 some people on Instagram who I see are like physical 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.839 therapists rehab specialists for like a specific type of injury, 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.400 Like they'll be like, Hey, if you're a jogger in 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.919 your twenties to forties and you tour your NCL on 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.760 November second, I gotta exercise for you. Like I know 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.440 those dudes are making like twenty K a month. You 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.000 know what I'm saying if you want to do videos. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.880 Like yeah, yeah, I mean if I I think if 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.400 I wanted to do like I don't know, man, some 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.160 people have told me like, oh, you should like like 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.640 if I was like an influencery type of person, I'd 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.760 be like book book a call with the therapy gecko, 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:56.920 but that I would never do that in my life. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:57.680 That sounds so. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.760 Dude, you don't think you're an influency type of person. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.240 I don't like I would like you. I would never 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:08.200 in my life will I I swear, I never in 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:12.760 my life will like make something on my Instagram where 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:15.960 people can like pay money to talk to me, Like 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:20.000 I think. I think that's how like most influencery people 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:21.320 do it. Like people are like. 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.440 There's probably nobody on the Internet who I followed like 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.200 more consistently than you. You're probably like you probably had 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:29.360 the most influence on me. 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.800 Well, I guess, yeah, But like I guess, when I 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.080 think of like an influencer, I think of like someone 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:41.120 is like by my coaching or or like set up 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.920 a'll thing with me and I like a one on 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.240 one and we'll do a whatever. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.160 You know, dude. When I think of an influencer, I 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.239 think of somebody that influences my thoughts and my daily actions. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.160 Oh okay, I was thinking in like a more of 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.160 a well okay, whatever mayor do you have parents? 0:07:59.200 --> 0:07:59.800 Yeah? I do have? 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.400 Are they there? Then they're influencers. They probably influence you. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.400 Yeah, but like it's obvious they influenced me. They're my parents, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.960 that's like part of their role. But like influencer is 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:17.880 somebody that like gained my influence through like consensual Like 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.240 I saw them and I wanted to follow them, and 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.360 I watched their content and I fed their content into 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.800 my brain and I like allowed them to influence me. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.880 Yeah, you know, do you feel like you are easily influenced? 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:36.040 I think everybody is, like have you if you've ever 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.559 heard like even if you know it's propaganda, that doesn't 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.280 like remove its influence on you like even if you 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.760 know it's something like proven to be made to trick you, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.520 even when you look at it, it's still kind of 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.840 tricking you in a way. So I think I am 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.440 like impressionable, but I'm a very self aware person. So 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.960 it's like a double edged sword, like I am easily influenced, 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.480 but then I catch myself. But then at the same time, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.560 I'm like wait, even though I'm self aware, Like wait, 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.640 like how influenced? Would I just get right now? 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:17.440 I don't know, man, I feel like I feel like 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.520 like advertising. Does advertising work on me? 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:21.960 I don't know. 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.040 I don't like buy a lot of shit? Like do you? 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.120 I mean, I guess, I guess. I guess propaganda works 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.680 in many ways other than like trying to get you 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:32.520 to buy shit. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:33.400 But like. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.720 Do you, like do you when you see ads for 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.240 shit on Instagram? Like have you ever bought something from 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:41.040 an Instagram? An? 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.400 Uh No? But I'll give you an example that, like 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.920 I know one thing that it's influenced me. So it's 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.080 this thing called like a I forgot what it's called called, 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.040 like a bull up bar or a. It's it's some 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.880 type of like at home jimm equipment machine that a 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.800 It's like a couple of hundred bucks, and I probably 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.800 wasn't gonna buy it, but I've been seeing the same 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.880 ad on Instagram and Facebook for like four or five months, 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.120 and I'm like, I'm definitely gonna buy that in the future. 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:12.800 Did you buy it? 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.200 No, I didn't buy it yet, but I know I 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:16.079 am gonna buy it. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:19.520 Do you think that's because of the ad? 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:21.920 Yeah? 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:26.840 Huh okay, what other ways repeatedly? What other ways recently 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:28.559 do you think you've been heavily influenced? 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:35.719 Hmmm? Oh you know what. Let me think. One way 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.640 that I'm heavily influenced is like, so I worked with 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:43.000 a lot of older people and I just started this 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.480 job like five or six months ago, and it causes 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.320 me to, when I'm not at work, be more vigilant 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.120 around like older people in public. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.160 What do you mean by like vigilant for their safety. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.920 Like if yeah, for their safety, for their guidance out 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.000 talk to the more like just anything, Like I feel 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:07.640 just more readily available to interact with like the elderly population. 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.760 Yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense. I mean you're talking 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.000 about you do You're just talking about like being influenced 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:21.600 by external stimuli of the world. I mean you, you're 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.439 a product of your environment. You speak English. Who's fault 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.160 is that? That's everyone around you's been speaking English forever. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.440 Now you've now you now you do it? Now you 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.439 do it? 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:34.040 Yeah? 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:34.439 True? 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:36.960 You know? Yeah? 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.880 What do you do? You have a job? 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.680 Yeah, I do have a job. I'm emt Oh. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:48.400 You're an emt Yeah. Who influenced you to be an 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.480 emt uh? 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:57.800 Probably my probably probably my grandmother. In twenty twenty, my grandmother, 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:01.680 she developed dementia and I had to take care of her. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:06.319 And during COVID, I saw how much like medical misinformation 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.520 there was. Like I had kind of wanted to be 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.600 a doctor in my entire life, so I was kind 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:17.400 of hipped to science and medical research and the I 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:22.120 don't know understanding of ppe and all that stuff. So 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.200 when we went through this pandemic and I kind of 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:28.360 saw how people reacted to it and how inflammatory it caused, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.520 like all of society to be, it like scared me 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.040 a lot. Like, you know, I had people that I 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:34.920 had friends that I knew I wouldn't wear masks and 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.199 didn't believe in COVID and just taking care of my 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.679 grandmother with dementia. I was like, Okay, I'm going to 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:46.040 become like a CNA or a EMT or some something 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.000 to go into healthcare. So then my grandmother passed away 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.079 and then I became at EMT. M. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.760 So, would you say that your grandmother was like an 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:58.839 influencer to you? 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:05.520 Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. M. Yeah, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.599 it's like crazy to see somebody. It's like crazy to 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.280 see somebody you know, who could like walk and talk 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:17.280 and speak, like deteriorate day to day. Oh, it's crazy. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.440 You seem like you have had in your life so 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.200 far good influences. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.200 Yeah, I would say so. And I yeah, I feel 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:27.400 very lucky for that too. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:28.600 M hmm. 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:36.559 Yeah. Oh and sometimes I I people identify that fact 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.640 and say like, hey, you're like why are you good? 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:41.680 And I go like, I don't know, I just got 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.359 lucky to have good influences. Yeah, there's nothing I did. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.320 I feel that way about my life. I feel like 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.000 I'm a product of the influence of a lot of 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.360 people around me, and I think that it's been it's 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:56.360 been good influence. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.600 Yeah, I agree. I yeah, it's been cool to Like 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:07.599 you meet your family too, m M. My family, Yeah. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.880 Oh yeah, my dad hear and your sister to hear 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.800 your dad to hear you talking about your mom. Yeah 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:13.360 that's cool. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.600 Yeah, I have no I have a really good family, 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.960 and I have really good uh friends, and they've they've 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.760 influenced who I am, for sure. But I also spend 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.880 a lot of time. Uh you know, I'm influenced by 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:33.720 the Internet. I'm influenced by random motherfuckers. I mean, I 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.920 I i'd like to protect even though I don't want 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:40.440 to like buy ship from Facebook ads, I'm still under 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:47.320 the influence of the world I inhabit, right right, I 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.880 feel like I've this podcast. I feel like talking a 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.200 bunch of people has influenced me in some way. I 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:58.160 can't really put to words it how exactly, but. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.360 Dude, it's so clear. It's when when you're a listener 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.320 of the podcast, it's like clear that there is an 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.960 actual payoff of how many people you've spoken with throughout 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:13.560 your time. Interesting because when you're sometimes when I'm following 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.520 a conversation, I'm like taking it with the person saying 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:18.400 and I'm like I'm with them, and I'm like I'm 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.240 trying to grasp what they're saying, Like what are they saying, 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.680 and then I hear you respond and I'm like, what 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.400 the fuck? How does Lyle know what this person's saying? 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.240 Not only you know what this person's saying, but you 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.800 have like something thoughtful to saying. I'm like, right, he's 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.480 probably talked to like twenty thousand people. Bro of course 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.400 he's talked to somebody who's been like kind of convoluted 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.400 or like doesn't really know how to make it to 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:44.360 the point like of course you So sometimes like even 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.800 the most recent episode, I forgot the guy was talking 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.640 about with some of them Loton's car or something like that. Man, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.520 the guy's kind of like kind of I don't even 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.040 know what this guy's kind of saying, and you're like 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.840 walking them step by Steve, I'm like, what the heck? 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.600 Like it's like that is the payoff of being a 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:03.200 conversationalist is like you're good at having conversations. So it's 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.080 very clear to me. 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.320 You know what you're a You're a sweet guy. What's 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:08.680 your name? 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:11.840 Please beep out that name? 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.080 All right, sure, we'll beep it out. I'll call you. 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.560 I'll call you Joe. 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.680 All right, Joe, all right, we'll beep that out. We'll 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:28.360 call you, Joe, Joe. Uh No, you're a sweet guy, Joe. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:30.640 You're sweet guy, Joe. I appreciate you saying all that stuff. 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.720 You know, that guy. I feel like a lot of 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.280 my understanding of people doesn't come from like talking to 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:36.560 people though, it comes from. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:36.680 Just like. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.400 Living life and a little bit and also talking to 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.880 people too. I mean, that guy on the previous episode, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.960 I knew the people weren't gonna like him, but I 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:53.440 also I found him on a personal level, Uh fascinating 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.440 and yeah yeah, and also you know what's so funny, dude, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.240 I was I'm reading them, and also I I know 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.200 that I know that, like, you know, thousands of folks 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:08.960 listen to these calls and only like you know, forty 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:13.400 of them make comments. But I'm w but I look 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.000 at the comments sometimes and I'm like, and I'm like, 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:22.000 I know that participating in the conversation and listening to 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:27.159 the conversation are two different perspectives, and you're gonna be 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.639 understanding the person differently. But I'm listening to but like, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.280 there's so many times I have a conversation with someone 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.960 and it's like I'm there directly talking to this person 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:40.960 and I'm getting such different vibe. Like I can tell 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.000 when people are bullshitting me, and I can tell when 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.320 people are being genuine with me, And I really can 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.719 like tell in my guy like I know, like like 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.800 I could get five hundred comments on a fucking thing 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.800 of people being like this guy's bullshitting you. And if 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.600 I feel like in my gut I know that they're not, 0:17:56.880 --> 0:18:00.000 then I just know that they're not right. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:01.280 Right, that makes sense. 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.320 But yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that is. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.000 You know, life is crazy, all that stupid stuff you're. 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.960 Telling somebody how hard it is for like, like it's 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.040 hard for me to bullshit people because I don't know 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.960 how to prepare my bullshit before I say it. I 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.080 don't like if I don't know what to lie about, 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:22.520 I don't know how to say that. Like what how 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.240 do people lie that fast? 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.240 What? What do you have to lie about? 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.800 That's what I'm saying. What do you have? 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:32.520 You're a sweet guy? 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.080 Why do people lie in the first place? Why do 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:36.200 people lie in the first place? 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.480 People lie for so many reasons? 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:41.520 Yeah, that's what's comes you thing to me. 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.160 Do you feel like people lie to you ever? 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:48.800 Oh? 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.440 Good question. Yeah, I m the opposite. I feel like 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.880 people withhold the truth from me sometimes, which I think 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.119 is a type of liem. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.760 What circumstances do people typically withhold the truth to you? 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.359 Under Like when people have some type of issue with 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.919 me and they don't want to have conflict, like, they 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.880 don't they don't bring that conflict forth with me. They'd 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:18.480 rather be silent or avoid an interaction. Oh that's that's 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.520 like a lion. That's like sort of you're lying to me. 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:27.280 Yeah, I do that sometimes. I did that yesterday. I dude. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.679 You know what's funny is actually I'm curious about your 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.840 opinion on this, just I want your opinion on this, 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.439 just as like another human being is like, yeah, okay, So, 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:43.920 like withholding the truth because you don't want to start 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:54.760 a conflict obviously, obviously in like probly actually in a 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:59.600 lot of situations, in a larger situations, that's the wrong 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.440 thing to If you're feeling something, you don't want to 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.000 let it boil, You want to let it out, and 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.280 you want to talk about it in a lot of situations. 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:13.760 But there's totally, totally, totally a lot of situations where 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.000 you shouldn't and you should just pick your battles, you 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.520 know what I mean? This time told I feel like yesterday, 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.400 I was in a situation where I was like, I'm 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:30.479 not gonna tell this person that I was mad at them, 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:37.000 because I just I don't need to start a whole 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.440 dialogue of a conflict, like we can just we can move. 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:43.280 I don't know if I was right. I don't know 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.000 if it would have been healthier to be like no, 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.760 I actually felt this way because of this, and because 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:53.159 of that, you know, it's probably always best to do that, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:56.760 But I don't actually know if it's always best to 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:58.440 do that. What do you think are there's situations where 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.960 you think it's like fuck, you just hold your tongue, 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:01.840 just don't say anything. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.600 For me, it kind of depends on how the person 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.040 I'm with is operating and who they are, because I 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.760 definitely asked myself the question, like what does that person want? 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.840 What would they if they were me? Would they want 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:21.600 me to tell them? You know? And I try to, Like, like, 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.040 for instance, the last person that I was with, she 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:28.000 was a very honest person, so I operated extremely honestly, 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.320 like and I told her stuff that like, oh, I 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.800 probably didn't want to necessarily tell her, but like I 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.680 think even in hindsight, I'm like I've left that relationship 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.119 without regrets because I was like honest with that person. 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.120 But then also I've been with people that like probably 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:48.560 wouldn't even care less, So maybe I, yeah, I might 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.159 withhold my tongue to avoid conflicts because maybe that person 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:57.000 might even like favor that or prefer that over than 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:00.679 me telling them and like creating conflicts. So it's in 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:02.280 my opinion, it kind of depends on who you're. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:06.080 With, Okay, so you base your decision on whether or 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.200 not you think they would want to hear it. 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:14.280 I based my decisions based on like their personality and 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:19.520 like the harmony of our relationship kind of like I 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:23.040