Speaker 1: Hello, how it goes a while? How you doing, man?
Speaker 2: I I'm doing all right, brother, I'm you know, another day,
Speaker 2: another day of being alive on the Great Green Earth,
Speaker 2: doing my job eating food. I cooked breakfast this morning.
Speaker 2: I never do that, but I did it too.
Speaker 1: You cooked breakfast. That's actually insane to hear that.
Speaker 2: Are you? Are you? I feel like the way you
Speaker 2: said hi to me makes me feel like you listen
Speaker 2: to the show, and you listening to the show makes
Speaker 2: me feel like you maybe know me a little bit,
Speaker 2: and that makes me feel like you actually are not
Speaker 2: fucking with me by saying that you are surprised that
Speaker 2: I cooked breakfast.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not fucking with you at all, dude. I've
Speaker 1: listened to you for like five years, and like in
Speaker 1: my head, like at one point I thought you were famous.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I've known you for a while and
Speaker 1: like you're a guy in my head that like you
Speaker 1: like order food in my head, like a lot of food.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you cooked breakfast. That's like surprising me
Speaker 1: here off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: I love I love that I went from famous in
Speaker 2: your head to a guy that orders a lot of food.
Speaker 1: You were always the guy that ordered a lot of food.
Speaker 1: But but I guess, like I don't know how to
Speaker 1: explain this, but like influencers in my head went from
Speaker 1: being like famous to now just having influence. And if
Speaker 1: that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense, they went from famous to having influence. Can you
Speaker 2: explain this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if I saw certain influencers prior, like maybe
Speaker 1: like twenty eighteen, maybe I would like freak out a
Speaker 1: little bit or they would feel more rare. But now
Speaker 1: when I see an influencer, I just think more like
Speaker 1: that they have like a following, or they have like
Speaker 1: they're have being connections with businesses in that of that nature,
Speaker 1: or maybe they have money or they have like a
Speaker 1: good job. Like I don't always think they're famous. Like
Speaker 1: there might be somebody with seven hundred thousand followers on Instagram.
Speaker 1: They're an influencer, but they're not famous if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Okay, that makes perfect sense. But wait, who what influencers
Speaker 2: have you seen in real life?
Speaker 1: In real life, I've seen Melvin Gregg if you know
Speaker 1: who that is?
Speaker 2: No, who the fuck is I'm looking them up.
Speaker 1: He's like a vine influencer that's now like an actor
Speaker 1: on like Netflix and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Oh I feel like I've maybe seen this dude before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, other influencers, I can't off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: I can't think of other influences. Oh, I've seen Chancellor
Speaker 1: rapper walking around in Chicago before.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know he's not.
Speaker 1: Really like an influencer, he's a rapper, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like people. I feel like Internet people are losing
Speaker 1: a little bit of.
Speaker 2: Power, as they should. I mean, it makes total sense.
Speaker 2: No one's really famous right now. I mean, actually that's
Speaker 2: not true. The there's a few people who are famous
Speaker 2: right now, but the internet famous. Speed is famous, Timothy
Speaker 2: Shalame is famous. Ye, Like it's weird, dude, Like, there's
Speaker 2: all there's so many fucking people who have like I mean,
Speaker 2: every day I learned about some motherfucker who I've never
Speaker 2: heard of in my life that has like however many
Speaker 2: followers and like sells out giant theater tours and all
Speaker 2: this crap, And I just have no idea who they are.
Speaker 2: It used to be there, used to be like less
Speaker 2: of an outly But that's good. It's kind of awesome though,
Speaker 2: right because I feel like it's democratized the media landscape
Speaker 2: and it's also led to this like, I guess middle
Speaker 2: class of creator where you can make Wait, why is
Speaker 2: it scary?
Speaker 1: Because I think like the pipelines from like I think
Speaker 1: the pipeline of having no money and like selling munch
Speaker 1: of courses online or gaining a much of influence on
Speaker 1: the internet and like making a living is like great
Speaker 1: for the middle class in the lower class of society,
Speaker 1: And I think if you take that away, that just
Speaker 1: is like another tool people can't access for like financial mobility.
Speaker 2: Wait, why do you feel like hold on? I was
Speaker 2: just about to say the opposite. I was about to say,
Speaker 2: it's good for like the middle class of greater because
Speaker 2: you can because you can make like if you're if
Speaker 2: you're smart, you can figure out how to make like
Speaker 2: a living by even if you're not like that famous.
Speaker 1: But you see, okay, say that, say that first part again,
Speaker 1: say that first part if you're smart. Yeah, exactly. That's
Speaker 1: not everybody. That's not everybody. Like I see people on
Speaker 1: Instagram talking like they have like, you know, twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand followers. They put up a video that gets like
Speaker 1: seven hundred kviews or whatever, and they're like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: made you know, two hundred bucks, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's like hard to monetize off of the Internet
Speaker 1: if you're not like sad, like you have a podcast
Speaker 1: that's like I don't know, gained a lot of tracks
Speaker 1: into like twenty I don't know. I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: I remember when I started watching. I think I started
Speaker 1: watching in twenty twenty one. But I think you started
Speaker 1: in like twenty nineteen right on like reddit or something,
Speaker 1: or twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Yes, twenty on Reddit.
Speaker 1: That's not everybody's case.
Speaker 2: It is, No, it's true. I mean I make I
Speaker 2: make a living through I make a living primarily through
Speaker 2: the like this podcast and through touring. But like there's
Speaker 2: a lot of like I don't like, I don't make
Speaker 2: I don't like I don't really make any money, Like
Speaker 2: I make virtually zero money, like posting videos on Instagram.
Speaker 2: But there's some people who, like all they do is
Speaker 2: post videos on Instagram, and I always, I serio say that,
Speaker 2: like all the time. I look of those profiles and
Speaker 2: I'm like, how is this person making a living?
Speaker 1: It just depends in my opinion who it is and
Speaker 1: like what their monetization model is. Like For instance, there's
Speaker 1: some people on Instagram who I see are like physical
Speaker 1: therapists rehab specialists for like a specific type of injury,
Speaker 1: Like they'll be like, Hey, if you're a jogger in
Speaker 1: your twenties to forties and you tour your NCL on
Speaker 1: November second, I gotta exercise for you. Like I know
Speaker 1: those dudes are making like twenty K a month. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying if you want to do videos.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, I mean if I I think if
Speaker 2: I wanted to do like I don't know, man, some
Speaker 2: people have told me like, oh, you should like like
Speaker 2: if I was like an influencery type of person, I'd
Speaker 2: be like book book a call with the therapy gecko,
Speaker 2: but that I would never do that in my life.
Speaker 2: That sounds so.
Speaker 1: Dude, you don't think you're an influency type of person.
Speaker 2: I don't like I would like you. I would never
Speaker 2: in my life will I I swear, I never in
Speaker 2: my life will like make something on my Instagram where
Speaker 2: people can like pay money to talk to me, Like
Speaker 2: I think. I think that's how like most influencery people
Speaker 2: do it. Like people are like.
Speaker 1: There's probably nobody on the Internet who I followed like
Speaker 1: more consistently than you. You're probably like you probably had
Speaker 1: the most influence on me.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess, yeah, But like I guess, when I
Speaker 2: think of like an influencer, I think of like someone
Speaker 2: is like by my coaching or or like set up
Speaker 2: a'll thing with me and I like a one on
Speaker 2: one and we'll do a whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, dude. When I think of an influencer, I
Speaker 1: think of somebody that influences my thoughts and my daily actions.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was thinking in like a more of
Speaker 2: a well okay, whatever mayor do you have parents?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do have?
Speaker 2: Are they there? Then they're influencers. They probably influence you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it's obvious they influenced me. They're my parents,
Speaker 1: that's like part of their role. But like influencer is
Speaker 1: somebody that like gained my influence through like consensual Like
Speaker 1: I saw them and I wanted to follow them, and
Speaker 1: I watched their content and I fed their content into
Speaker 1: my brain and I like allowed them to influence me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, do you feel like you are easily influenced?
Speaker 1: I think everybody is, like have you if you've ever
Speaker 1: heard like even if you know it's propaganda, that doesn't
Speaker 1: like remove its influence on you like even if you
Speaker 1: know it's something like proven to be made to trick you,
Speaker 1: even when you look at it, it's still kind of
Speaker 1: tricking you in a way. So I think I am
Speaker 1: like impressionable, but I'm a very self aware person. So
Speaker 1: it's like a double edged sword, like I am easily influenced,
Speaker 1: but then I catch myself. But then at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm like wait, even though I'm self aware, Like wait,
Speaker 1: like how influenced? Would I just get right now?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I feel like I feel like
Speaker 2: like advertising. Does advertising work on me?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't like buy a lot of shit? Like do you?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I guess. I guess propaganda works
Speaker 2: in many ways other than like trying to get you
Speaker 2: to buy shit.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: Do you, like do you when you see ads for
Speaker 2: shit on Instagram? Like have you ever bought something from
Speaker 2: an Instagram? An?
Speaker 1: Uh No? But I'll give you an example that, like
Speaker 1: I know one thing that it's influenced me. So it's
Speaker 1: this thing called like a I forgot what it's called called,
Speaker 1: like a bull up bar or a. It's it's some
Speaker 1: type of like at home jimm equipment machine that a
Speaker 1: It's like a couple of hundred bucks, and I probably
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna buy it, but I've been seeing the same
Speaker 1: ad on Instagram and Facebook for like four or five months,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm definitely gonna buy that in the future.
Speaker 2: Did you buy it?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't buy it yet, but I know I
Speaker 1: am gonna buy it.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's because of the ad?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Huh okay, what other ways repeatedly? What other ways recently
Speaker 2: do you think you've been heavily influenced?
Speaker 1: Hmmm? Oh you know what. Let me think. One way
Speaker 1: that I'm heavily influenced is like, so I worked with
Speaker 1: a lot of older people and I just started this
Speaker 1: job like five or six months ago, and it causes
Speaker 1: me to, when I'm not at work, be more vigilant
Speaker 1: around like older people in public.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by like vigilant for their safety.
Speaker 1: Like if yeah, for their safety, for their guidance out
Speaker 1: talk to the more like just anything, Like I feel
Speaker 1: just more readily available to interact with like the elderly population.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense. I mean you're talking
Speaker 2: about you do You're just talking about like being influenced
Speaker 2: by external stimuli of the world. I mean you, you're
Speaker 2: a product of your environment. You speak English. Who's fault
Speaker 2: is that? That's everyone around you's been speaking English forever.
Speaker 2: Now you've now you now you do it? Now you
Speaker 2: do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: True?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What do you do? You have a job?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have a job. I'm emt Oh.
Speaker 2: You're an emt Yeah. Who influenced you to be an
Speaker 2: emt uh?
Speaker 1: Probably my probably probably my grandmother. In twenty twenty, my grandmother,
Speaker 1: she developed dementia and I had to take care of her.
Speaker 1: And during COVID, I saw how much like medical misinformation
Speaker 1: there was. Like I had kind of wanted to be
Speaker 1: a doctor in my entire life, so I was kind
Speaker 1: of hipped to science and medical research and the I
Speaker 1: don't know understanding of ppe and all that stuff. So
Speaker 1: when we went through this pandemic and I kind of
Speaker 1: saw how people reacted to it and how inflammatory it caused,
Speaker 1: like all of society to be, it like scared me
Speaker 1: a lot. Like, you know, I had people that I
Speaker 1: had friends that I knew I wouldn't wear masks and
Speaker 1: didn't believe in COVID and just taking care of my
Speaker 1: grandmother with dementia. I was like, Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: become like a CNA or a EMT or some something
Speaker 1: to go into healthcare. So then my grandmother passed away
Speaker 1: and then I became at EMT. M.
Speaker 2: So, would you say that your grandmother was like an
Speaker 2: influencer to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. M. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like crazy to see somebody. It's like crazy to
Speaker 1: see somebody you know, who could like walk and talk
Speaker 1: and speak, like deteriorate day to day. Oh, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: You seem like you have had in your life so
Speaker 2: far good influences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say so. And I yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: very lucky for that too.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh and sometimes I I people identify that fact
Speaker 1: and say like, hey, you're like why are you good?
Speaker 1: And I go like, I don't know, I just got
Speaker 1: lucky to have good influences. Yeah, there's nothing I did.
Speaker 2: I feel that way about my life. I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm a product of the influence of a lot of
Speaker 2: people around me, and I think that it's been it's
Speaker 2: been good influence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I yeah, it's been cool to Like
Speaker 1: you meet your family too, m M. My family, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my dad hear and your sister to hear
Speaker 1: your dad to hear you talking about your mom. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no I have a really good family,
Speaker 2: and I have really good uh friends, and they've they've
Speaker 2: influenced who I am, for sure. But I also spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time. Uh you know, I'm influenced by
Speaker 2: the Internet. I'm influenced by random motherfuckers. I mean, I
Speaker 2: I i'd like to protect even though I don't want
Speaker 2: to like buy ship from Facebook ads, I'm still under
Speaker 2: the influence of the world I inhabit, right right, I
Speaker 2: feel like I've this podcast. I feel like talking a
Speaker 2: bunch of people has influenced me in some way. I
Speaker 2: can't really put to words it how exactly, but.
Speaker 1: Dude, it's so clear. It's when when you're a listener
Speaker 1: of the podcast, it's like clear that there is an
Speaker 1: actual payoff of how many people you've spoken with throughout
Speaker 1: your time. Interesting because when you're sometimes when I'm following
Speaker 1: a conversation, I'm like taking it with the person saying
Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm with them, and I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to grasp what they're saying, Like what are they saying,
Speaker 1: and then I hear you respond and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? How does Lyle know what this person's saying?
Speaker 1: Not only you know what this person's saying, but you
Speaker 1: have like something thoughtful to saying. I'm like, right, he's
Speaker 1: probably talked to like twenty thousand people. Bro of course
Speaker 1: he's talked to somebody who's been like kind of convoluted
Speaker 1: or like doesn't really know how to make it to
Speaker 1: the point like of course you So sometimes like even
Speaker 1: the most recent episode, I forgot the guy was talking
Speaker 1: about with some of them Loton's car or something like that. Man,
Speaker 1: the guy's kind of like kind of I don't even
Speaker 1: know what this guy's kind of saying, and you're like
Speaker 1: walking them step by Steve, I'm like, what the heck?
Speaker 1: Like it's like that is the payoff of being a
Speaker 1: conversationalist is like you're good at having conversations. So it's
Speaker 1: very clear to me.
Speaker 2: You know what you're a You're a sweet guy. What's
Speaker 2: your name?
Speaker 1: Please beep out that name?
Speaker 2: All right, sure, we'll beep it out. I'll call you.
Speaker 1: I'll call you Joe.
Speaker 2: All right, Joe, all right, we'll beep that out. We'll
Speaker 2: call you, Joe, Joe. Uh No, you're a sweet guy, Joe.
Speaker 2: You're sweet guy, Joe. I appreciate you saying all that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, that guy. I feel like a lot of
Speaker 2: my understanding of people doesn't come from like talking to
Speaker 2: people though, it comes from.
Speaker 1: Just like.
Speaker 2: Living life and a little bit and also talking to
Speaker 2: people too. I mean, that guy on the previous episode,
Speaker 2: I knew the people weren't gonna like him, but I
Speaker 2: also I found him on a personal level, Uh fascinating
Speaker 2: and yeah yeah, and also you know what's so funny, dude,
Speaker 2: I was I'm reading them, and also I I know
Speaker 2: that I know that, like, you know, thousands of folks
Speaker 2: listen to these calls and only like you know, forty
Speaker 2: of them make comments. But I'm w but I look
Speaker 2: at the comments sometimes and I'm like, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know that participating in the conversation and listening to
Speaker 2: the conversation are two different perspectives, and you're gonna be
Speaker 2: understanding the person differently. But I'm listening to but like,
Speaker 2: there's so many times I have a conversation with someone
Speaker 2: and it's like I'm there directly talking to this person
Speaker 2: and I'm getting such different vibe. Like I can tell
Speaker 2: when people are bullshitting me, and I can tell when
Speaker 2: people are being genuine with me, And I really can
Speaker 2: like tell in my guy like I know, like like
Speaker 2: I could get five hundred comments on a fucking thing
Speaker 2: of people being like this guy's bullshitting you. And if
Speaker 2: I feel like in my gut I know that they're not,
Speaker 2: then I just know that they're not right.
Speaker 1: Right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 2: You know, life is crazy, all that stupid stuff you're.
Speaker 1: Telling somebody how hard it is for like, like it's
Speaker 1: hard for me to bullshit people because I don't know
Speaker 1: how to prepare my bullshit before I say it. I
Speaker 1: don't like if I don't know what to lie about,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say that. Like what how
Speaker 1: do people lie that fast?
Speaker 2: What? What do you have to lie about?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. What do you have?
Speaker 2: You're a sweet guy?
Speaker 1: Why do people lie in the first place? Why do
Speaker 1: people lie in the first place?
Speaker 2: People lie for so many reasons?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's comes you thing to me.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like people lie to you ever?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Good question. Yeah, I m the opposite. I feel like
Speaker 1: people withhold the truth from me sometimes, which I think
Speaker 1: is a type of liem.
Speaker 2: What circumstances do people typically withhold the truth to you?
Speaker 1: Under Like when people have some type of issue with
Speaker 1: me and they don't want to have conflict, like, they
Speaker 1: don't they don't bring that conflict forth with me. They'd
Speaker 1: rather be silent or avoid an interaction. Oh that's that's
Speaker 1: like a lion. That's like sort of you're lying to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do that sometimes. I did that yesterday. I dude.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is actually I'm curious about your
Speaker 2: opinion on this, just I want your opinion on this,
Speaker 2: just as like another human being is like, yeah, okay, So,
Speaker 2: like withholding the truth because you don't want to start
Speaker 2: a conflict obviously, obviously in like probly actually in a
Speaker 2: lot of situations, in a larger situations, that's the wrong
Speaker 2: thing to If you're feeling something, you don't want to
Speaker 2: let it boil, You want to let it out, and
Speaker 2: you want to talk about it in a lot of situations.
Speaker 2: But there's totally, totally, totally a lot of situations where
Speaker 2: you shouldn't and you should just pick your battles, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? This time told I feel like yesterday,
Speaker 2: I was in a situation where I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna tell this person that I was mad at them,
Speaker 2: because I just I don't need to start a whole
Speaker 2: dialogue of a conflict, like we can just we can move.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I was right. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it would have been healthier to be like no,
Speaker 2: I actually felt this way because of this, and because
Speaker 2: of that, you know, it's probably always best to do that,
Speaker 2: But I don't actually know if it's always best to
Speaker 2: do that. What do you think are there's situations where
Speaker 2: you think it's like fuck, you just hold your tongue,
Speaker 2: just don't say anything.
Speaker 1: For me, it kind of depends on how the person
Speaker 1: I'm with is operating and who they are, because I
Speaker 1: definitely asked myself the question, like what does that person want?
Speaker 1: What would they if they were me? Would they want
Speaker 1: me to tell them? You know? And I try to, Like, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, the last person that I was with, she
Speaker 1: was a very honest person, so I operated extremely honestly,
Speaker 1: like and I told her stuff that like, oh, I
Speaker 1: probably didn't want to necessarily tell her, but like I
Speaker 1: think even in hindsight, I'm like I've left that relationship
Speaker 1: without regrets because I was like honest with that person.
Speaker 1: But then also I've been with people that like probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't even care less, So maybe I, yeah, I might
Speaker 1: withhold my tongue to avoid conflicts because maybe that person
Speaker 1: might even like favor that or prefer that over than
Speaker 1: me telling them and like creating conflicts. So it's in
Speaker 1: my opinion, it kind of depends on who you're.
Speaker 2: With, Okay, so you base your decision on whether or
Speaker 2: not you think they would want to hear it.
Speaker 1: I based my decisions based on like their personality and
Speaker 1: like the harmony of our relationship kind of like I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna choose the option which like makes me
Speaker 1: like I have the most integrity when I come out
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: Ooh, you're gonna choose the option that leaves you with
Speaker 2: the most integrity. Yeah, that's fucking bold, man, do you
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 1: To like do right by myself and that person, Like
Speaker 1: that's like my goal.
Speaker 2: Damn, I have respect for you.
Speaker 1: Joe.
Speaker 2: Do you have a girlfriend.
Speaker 4: Do you have a wife, Dude, I don't have I'm
Speaker 4: a single man right now. Uh, when you're in a
Speaker 4: when's the last time you were in a relationship about
Speaker 4: a year ago? Okay, and when you were pitting mad
Speaker 4: at your girlfriend, did you tell her?
Speaker 1: Let me think I was like very seldomly mad at
Speaker 1: my girlfriend, and yeah I would tell her. But mad
Speaker 1: is like I don't really get mad. It's more like
Speaker 1: I'm like something is like like I think something's off,
Speaker 1: or like something's bothering me, or like I think something's weird.
Speaker 1: Like it's not more it's not like I'm mad, it's
Speaker 1: more like, hey, what's going on? I'm like confused?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when you felt that way?
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm like a really big overthinker. So like maybe
Speaker 1: half the time because sometimes I'm like doubting myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what I do.
Speaker 2: You know what, it's actually it's not funny, it's actually terrifying,
Speaker 2: is okay. I think we have an obsession just as
Speaker 2: like people with wanting to like validate our feelings. And
Speaker 2: the truth is, once you succumb to the fact that
Speaker 2: there's no objective reality, you kind of start to live
Speaker 2: in a world where Okay, so if there's no objective reality,
Speaker 2: the only person who can like really validate your feelings
Speaker 2: is you, because like you're the god of your own
Speaker 2: existence through this sure universe. So like you can go
Speaker 2: It's like you can go and reddit and be like,
Speaker 2: my girlfriend said this, or my boss said this, or
Speaker 2: my mom said this or whatever, and I feel this way
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and you might have a bunch of
Speaker 2: people say something and then you could go, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna take the consensus of whatever the most people said
Speaker 2: as validation. But I don't think that consensus and objective
Speaker 2: truth have like an overlap. Like consensus is just consensus.
Speaker 2: It doesn't because something is the consensus of how everyone
Speaker 2: feels about a thing doesn't automatically make it true. So
Speaker 2: at a certain point, the closest you can really get
Speaker 2: to an objective truth is you take the consensus in
Speaker 2: as information, and if you decide to align your personal
Speaker 2: decision and your personal evaluation of your own feelings with
Speaker 2: the cons then that's the closest that you'll get to
Speaker 2: creating a subjective reality backed validation of your own feelings.
Speaker 2: But you're never gonna nothing, You're never gonna be right,
Speaker 2: You're never gonna be trademark TM right.
Speaker 1: You know, there's just this thing and that's weird. That's
Speaker 1: like I was, it's weird you say that, because I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about that this morning. How you can
Speaker 1: walk like they say you you'll never know what it's
Speaker 1: like to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, And
Speaker 1: it's like, but you know exactly what it's like to
Speaker 1: walk a mile in shoes in that same like brand,
Speaker 1: that same whatever size, everything. It's just not their shoes.
Speaker 1: So you just don't know, like you could you have
Speaker 1: the same experience. You just have no clue if it's
Speaker 1: the same experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you don't never you'll never know. But also,
Speaker 2: to play devil's advocate to everything I just said, I
Speaker 2: think that if somebody has a similar learned experience to you,
Speaker 2: or maybe they're a little older and they've experienced a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, you can, like you can kind of
Speaker 2: collect an aggregate of other people. And this is almost
Speaker 2: what we're trying to do on the podcast. You can
Speaker 2: collect an aggregate of other people's again, like the Canno,
Speaker 2: I don't okay, I don't think. I don't think that
Speaker 2: like a group consensus of your feelings is like objective reality.
Speaker 2: But you can get pretty damn close to something by
Speaker 2: just collecting an aggregate, I guess that's what. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it can sensus in an aggregator, No, it
Speaker 2: can sens it's in an aggregator. Are different things, I guess.
Speaker 2: But if you go around you collect, like you talk
Speaker 2: to like fifty people in their fifties, like advice on
Speaker 2: being married or whatever, you can kind of gleam certain
Speaker 2: things where it's like, all right, we put human beings
Speaker 2: who have similar ish brains as you're saying, they've walked
Speaker 2: that path in the same brand of shoes in the
Speaker 2: same size. They're not literally exactly your shoes because you
Speaker 2: have your unique learned experience. But you ask you know,
Speaker 2: fifty people who've walked the same path in the same
Speaker 2: shoes and the same brand, and you get the aggregate
Speaker 2: of their experience. There's clear value in that perspective, but
Speaker 2: it's there's still not there's still nothing objective to it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: is everything I'm saying making any sense? Or am I
Speaker 2: just sounding?
Speaker 1: Of course? Dude? Like there's probably never been a time
Speaker 1: on this podcast where you're talking and you asked that
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, you didn't make sense. Like every time.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, that makes sense, dude. The only
Speaker 1: thing I don't know is, like, the only thing I
Speaker 1: don't know is the difference between like aggregate and consensious.
Speaker 1: I think consensus is just like a like a what
Speaker 1: like the majority conclusion, and aggregate is just like a
Speaker 1: large group or body of folks. I don't know. You're
Speaker 1: the fucking man, Joe, dude, I'm twenty eight, Yeah, twenty
Speaker 1: eight years old.
Speaker 2: Cool, we're the same age. Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool too. That's cool to listen to a
Speaker 1: podcast by a guy that's the same age as me.
Speaker 2: Cool man, Fuck fuck with you, heavy, Joe. Okay, what's
Speaker 2: your You're like, Steve.
Speaker 1: You're dude. It's like when you mentioned you listened to
Speaker 1: Stavros Harkis, or if you mentioned any like Bobby Lee thing,
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, yeah, you're like you can totally feel
Speaker 1: the influence of those people in your podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Uh yeah, I I listened to Stov's podcast lies,
Speaker 2: but I well, I like listening to Stovey's World because
Speaker 2: Stavros is like almost a decade older than me, and
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of his uh I've done.
Speaker 2: I met him a long time ago. He did comedy
Speaker 2: in my basement, like working seven years ago. Maybe I
Speaker 2: used to. I used to. I used to be an
Speaker 2: editor for that podcast like six Wow, before I did
Speaker 2: this Woor that wore. It used to be he used
Speaker 2: to do a show called Stobby Solves Your Problems. And
Speaker 2: before I did Therapy Gecko, I had a job up
Speaker 2: where for like, yeah, like once a week he would
Speaker 2: send me like a three hour twitch vod and I
Speaker 2: would like pick the best phone calls from his podcast
Speaker 2: and then I would like make like little Instagram clips
Speaker 2: and like help run the YouTube page or whatever. And
Speaker 2: then he uh, and then I think he like stopped
Speaker 2: doing it and then he rebranded it or whatever. But
Speaker 2: it's kind of funny that I used to work for
Speaker 2: that show before doing this. But it's fair. I like
Speaker 2: listening to him because he's yeah, he's like a decade
Speaker 2: older than me. Uh, but like it's interest and also
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of his callers are a
Speaker 2: little older than me, so it's like it's like I'm
Speaker 2: you know, in in life, you're always like watching a
Speaker 2: little older than you, Like when you're in elementary school,
Speaker 2: you're watching like middle schoolers on TV. When you're in
Speaker 2: middle school, you watch a high schoolers on TV. High school,
Speaker 2: you watch a college people. I feel like that just
Speaker 2: kept going. Like I'm like with podcasts, I'm like trying
Speaker 2: to listen to, Like I'm very interested in listening to
Speaker 2: people who are like a little bit older than me
Speaker 2: talking about life, like having the same problems, you know,
Speaker 2: like watching like I'm watching Seinfeld because it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: these people are like living in New York, like dating,
Speaker 2: running around, but they're in their thirties. Yeah, yeah, a
Speaker 2: little older than me.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I'm interested less in the age range
Speaker 1: of who I'm watching or listening to and more of
Speaker 1: like what that person's thinking about or what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: And I find that like different age ranges think about
Speaker 1: like it's not uniform, like all sixty year olds, you're
Speaker 1: not having sixteen year old thoughts and vice versa. So
Speaker 1: I just like to listen to the people that are
Speaker 1: thinking about the stuff that I like to think about,
Speaker 1: which is like like probably human psychology, spirituality, and philosophy.
Speaker 1: Because outside of like those three topics everything else not
Speaker 1: that it makes sense, but like those three are super
Speaker 1: confusing to begin with, So I'm like already stuck on those.
Speaker 2: I like thinking about uh, normal stuff too. I feel
Speaker 2: like I get to uh, I get too existential, I
Speaker 2: get into too much like life feels too uh. I
Speaker 2: see people do it. I see people figure out how
Speaker 2: to I see people also who are like older than me,
Speaker 2: who can I and I don't like know them intimately.
Speaker 2: Maybe something. There's some people I know a little intimately
Speaker 2: who are like older than me that figure it out,
Speaker 2: who like can live life on a lighter tone, And
Speaker 2: I know how to do that. I figured I figured
Speaker 2: out how to live life on a lighter tone after
Speaker 2: like feeling like every day felt like kind of heavy
Speaker 2: and weird.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I like the point of the way you do it
Speaker 2: is you just design some kind of rhythm to your
Speaker 2: life that you can get distracted by.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, dude, I would say for me, since COVID, every
Speaker 1: single day has felt weird. Every single day even every
Speaker 1: single day feel every single day since COVID it felt
Speaker 1: like I we flipped timelines or something and we live
Speaker 1: in an inverted one or something or I don't know.
Speaker 2: It felt like, wait, bro hold on, why why is everything?
Speaker 2: Every single day for the past six years it's felt
Speaker 2: weird to.
Speaker 1: You because it felt like that was a life altering
Speaker 1: event that now the consequences of that event like shapes
Speaker 1: people's lives in such a way that they don't really realize.
Speaker 1: And it feels it feels like I can see the
Speaker 1: effects of like COVID in twenty twenty six, like extremely clearly,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: But you're talking about But I, okay, yes, I mean
Speaker 2: COVID completely completely my life. I wouldn't be doing this
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for COVID. I have no idea what
Speaker 2: I'd be doing or what my life would look like.
Speaker 1: But like, like, dude, I'm talking all the way down
Speaker 1: to like AI and doom scrolling and the economy and
Speaker 1: all types of stuff, Ice Doyal Trump, Like it all
Speaker 1: feels like we've lived in this altered timeline that we
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to live in, and like COVID was the
Speaker 1: like the catalyst that started all of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but dude, you've heard you've if you listen to
Speaker 2: the show, you probably heard me go on this rant before.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: You're acting like it's all dude, it's always been like that.
Speaker 2: But we had a fucking we had two world Wars,
Speaker 2: we had a black plague, we had the fucking Internet
Speaker 2: and the printing. But like, this has always been happening.
Speaker 2: This is not the first time that there's been like
Speaker 2: corrupt world leaders or scary technology or change. Like like
Speaker 2: life is a Safti Brothers movie. You know, it's always going.
Speaker 2: It's never not. It's never not, and you'll always look
Speaker 2: nostalgically back on like five years ago, but like it's
Speaker 2: just always it's never not been, always going, it's never
Speaker 2: not been.
Speaker 4: Like, dude, I was watching this video came up on
Speaker 4: my YouTube channel.
Speaker 2: I was four years old when nine to eleven happens,
Speaker 2: Like I don't remember that shit, but this video came
Speaker 2: up on my YouTube channel of Conan O'Brien like addressing
Speaker 2: his audience on like September eighteenth, two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: and he goes on this long diet, Like, dude, do
Speaker 2: you remember when all the late night show people got
Speaker 2: on their desks like March twenty twenty boom, and they
Speaker 2: were like doing this whole thing where they were like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how we're gonna keep moving on in
Speaker 2: these unprecedented weird times. I mean the fact that all
Speaker 2: of this crazy stuff is going on, and we're we
Speaker 2: don't know how we're gonna be able to do this show.
Speaker 2: I saw Coda le'brian do that in two thousand and one,
Speaker 2: fucking twenty years earlier, when fucking nine to eleven happened.
Speaker 2: Like like like life crazy altering events that have been
Speaker 2: happening for eternity, you know what I mean, So like
Speaker 2: that's just another one of them. Unprecedented times are highly precedented.
Speaker 1: They're yeah, they're they're constant, I guess, and because I
Speaker 1: because I definitely agree with what you're saying, and I
Speaker 1: kind of take back like half of what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but like in a way, it still feels like some
Speaker 1: things that I haven't seen or like they haven't been
Speaker 1: consistent throughout history. Like for instance, I'm seeing like people's
Speaker 1: atension span just be just gone, just like not there
Speaker 1: just people sunk in into their phones and like while
Speaker 1: they're driving there people are on their phones and like
Speaker 1: it's like they're not even conscious or just like one
Speaker 1: thing I think is super weird is I like I
Speaker 1: walk outside a lot, like during the summertime, there's just
Speaker 1: like I don't I don't see like lightning bugs, anymore,
Speaker 1: or just like I see less bugs out, just like weird.
Speaker 1: When I walk into a McDonald's, there's no people in there,
Speaker 1: just like weird stuff Like I don't remember. I remember
Speaker 1: that stuff when I was younger, when I was like
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, Like I walk into a McDonald's,
Speaker 1: I see a bunch of people, I see lightning bugs.
Speaker 1: Maybe I was just a kid, or maybe I'm getting older,
Speaker 1: But like I feel like people aren't even watching like
Speaker 1: that much TV nowadays. Like I feel like the world
Speaker 1: is shifting in a way that it hasn't and that yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes me feel weird.
Speaker 2: You know, the world is shifted, yet the world is
Speaker 2: shifting in a way that is uh exponential as time
Speaker 2: goes on, because it's how like developments and technology goes
Speaker 2: But I try to be optimistic in the sense that
Speaker 2: I still think that it's I still think like when
Speaker 2: I look at the world and I look at like
Speaker 2: what people are doing and what opportunities like are still there,
Speaker 2: and like what's still around, I feel very genuinely that
Speaker 2: if you want to figure out how to make a
Speaker 2: spot in the world for you to exist thrivingly, that
Speaker 2: you can do it, Like there's still.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I mean I believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, dude, you're fucking EMT. You like do
Speaker 2: a real thing, you don't like yeah, you don't like
Speaker 2: make AI dog videos for a living, Like you're still here.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: You still have a job where you go around talking
Speaker 2: to old people about their life. You're still here. Like
Speaker 2: it's twenty Like people are like, we live in this
Speaker 2: crazy future and then it's and we sure we do,
Speaker 2: but like it's right now, it's twenty twenty six, and
Speaker 2: we have the crazy AI technology, crazy crap open claw
Speaker 2: dog video chat cheep, but we have it all now,
Speaker 2: we have it all right. It's not a thing that's coming.
Speaker 2: It's here right now. And you're still here an EMT
Speaker 2: being this guy having these thoughts talking to old people.
Speaker 2: But you're like you're doing where you're doing it, you're
Speaker 2: succeeding within the crazy future.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it's also because
Speaker 1: as a child, my expectation of what the current reality
Speaker 1: that I'm living is it doesn't line up of what
Speaker 1: I thought my future would be like, especially with like dude,
Speaker 1: it's even it's just like weird. Even when I like
Speaker 1: walking to public. I'm like, this seems like I'm being
Speaker 1: an adult. What Like, I don't know. I just thought
Speaker 1: it'd be different growing up.
Speaker 2: I thought, what do you think it would be?
Speaker 1: Like more innocent. I thought people would be I don't know, happier, uh,
Speaker 1: more lively. I don't know. Maybe I'm like, maybe I'm naive,
Speaker 1: But like I thought life was going to have a
Speaker 1: little bit more sparkle and joy in people's personal lives.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem to be a case, like especially
Speaker 1: walking around as an EMT, like whatever, my patients, they're sick.
Speaker 1: It's obvious that they have a poor quality of life sometimes,
Speaker 1: but like I mean even talking to like receptionists or
Speaker 1: health other healthcare professionals or I don't know, just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people days seem like they're just going
Speaker 1: through it.
Speaker 2: Well, you're in a weird occupation. You picked the wrong occupation.
Speaker 2: If you want to see people with joy in their eyes,
Speaker 2: people don't.
Speaker 1: People know I occupations. That's why I stick with occupation
Speaker 1: because I know it's like sad people, hurt people, miserable people.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I have I feel like I
Speaker 1: have like a when I go to sleep, I wake
Speaker 1: up in the morning, it's like I hit the reset button.
Speaker 1: I got a clear sleep. I wake up like totally fine.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's been like that my whole life.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like, like good for healthcare, because
Speaker 1: like I go to bed and I wake up and
Speaker 1: it's like whatever, I'm ready, you know, man.
Speaker 2: I Uh So, I was in Ukraine like a month
Speaker 2: ago shooting a documentary.
Speaker 1: Dude, you're going crazy places.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm going to crazy places. Uh, It's it's my
Speaker 2: new thing. I'm going to crazy places.
Speaker 1: You talked about. You said something to Lord Miles that
Speaker 1: you said you're an adult in outer space and I
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, lilas too, that's creeh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I think i've I've I've kind of
Speaker 2: cracked the code on how to be I've cracked the
Speaker 2: code on how to be an astronaut without uh going insane.
Speaker 2: I think I have Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, So I was in Ukraine. I'm making a
Speaker 2: documentary redditing it right now. Hopefully it'll be out in
Speaker 2: like a month. We'll see. But uh, I met this
Speaker 2: guy Roman. This guy Roman, uh like DMed me on
Speaker 2: Instagram inviting me there, and I stayed at his house
Speaker 2: for a bit, and uh, he's fucking awesome. He's fucking like.
Speaker 2: We stayed at his house where he had no fucking
Speaker 2: power for a bit and he's like dealing with He's
Speaker 2: just like dealing with at this crazy crap. He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, friends and family that have like been you know,
Speaker 2: severely affected by this war, and uh, yeah, dude, I
Speaker 2: he we I don't want to like a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff is gonna be in the documentary, but he
Speaker 2: talks about this thing where he's just like, I think
Speaker 2: nihilism is such bullshit, and I think that this idea
Speaker 2: that we have of people being like, oh, the world
Speaker 2: is like a shitty place, and like, yeah, nihilism and
Speaker 2: stuff is just kind of kind of bullshit. And it's
Speaker 2: people like ascribing a judgment value to a thing that
Speaker 2: just simply is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I really really fucked with his h his his
Speaker 2: interpretation life, and and it rubbed off. I mean I
Speaker 2: feel that way. I feel that way too, I feel
Speaker 2: like and also by the way, so much of that
Speaker 2: is just caused by the phone. You know, this guy Roman,
Speaker 2: he talks a lot about like trying not to use
Speaker 2: his phone, and he has like an analog room where
Speaker 2: he doesn't use any technology, and he's very like getting
Speaker 2: off the internet and stuff. And I really like when
Speaker 2: you get off the internet and you just like look around.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to say that things are
Speaker 2: quote unquote not that bad.
Speaker 1: No, it's like everything's fine, and you're like, what was
Speaker 1: going on before?
Speaker 2: It's not, yeah, you know, it's just it's not that
Speaker 2: like everything is fine and like it's just that the
Speaker 2: world is. I don't think people realize that the world
Speaker 2: is in like a constant state of motion.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, like metamorphis almost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't I'm not trying to say like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's all sure, there's a lot to be afraid of,
Speaker 2: but they're always has.
Speaker 1: Been yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean that's
Speaker 1: a very wise glory thing of you to say.
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the block I completed the loop, I've
Speaker 1: seen this end all ready.
Speaker 2: Think of you to think, well, I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't fucking know, man, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but like maybe it's because you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe it's because, like you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: think it's because like Americans, like we've like Americans have
Speaker 2: had a pretty have had it pretty chill for a
Speaker 2: long time. I think we I think maybe it's just
Speaker 2: not Americans have had it like we've had it pretty
Speaker 2: fucking chill for a long time, right, And I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of the ship that we're going through,
Speaker 2: like it's like it's unprecedented for us, and that we
Speaker 2: I think maybe we're we have this thing of like
Speaker 2: this shit couldn't happen to us, and now it's happened
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course, but like this shit's.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know not to get just stuff.
Speaker 1: But one thing that comforts to me is like whenever
Speaker 1: I have scary thoughts about the future or just like
Speaker 1: not being okay twenty years from now, forty years from now,
Speaker 1: I go, I'm someone that's that even though certain thoughts
Speaker 1: can be really rare and unique, thoughts are pretty repeated
Speaker 1: throughout human history, and I believe that like the thoughts
Speaker 1: that I've had, my ancestors have had as well. So
Speaker 1: if I've ever thought like, oh no, the future is
Speaker 1: gonna be scary, like and I'm not and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be unsafe. Oh my god. So many of my ancestors
Speaker 1: have thought the same thing, and I'm like proof of
Speaker 1: their safety, so I know I'm gonna be fine. My
Speaker 1: ancestors have thought the same thing for the problems that
Speaker 1: existed and their time period, because that's what I think too.
Speaker 1: I think like I think, like, oh my god, these
Speaker 1: problems are so brand new AI and international freaking genocide
Speaker 1: from the sky, and I go, no, these are just
Speaker 1: like the features of our generation, the same way that
Speaker 1: like people couldn't predict I don't know, airplanes flying into
Speaker 1: buildings in two thousands, like things. You know, everyone has
Speaker 1: their things for their time period and it scares them
Speaker 1: and they persevere, So I know I'll be like fine
Speaker 1: in the long run. But no, the future is it,
Speaker 1: I would say less, it's like scary in my head
Speaker 1: and more just like completely uncertainly what it's gonna look like.
Speaker 1: And that's weird to.
Speaker 2: Me, but that's that's an inherent value of the future.
Speaker 2: This is it's uncertainty.
Speaker 1: But I feel like the further you go back in
Speaker 1: our past, the more the future looks the same. Uh, Like,
Speaker 1: for instance, like it feels like every three months to
Speaker 1: every three to six months, we can see like a
Speaker 1: month or two lessons to the future. Like like it
Speaker 1: feels like maybe we can tell what the future is
Speaker 1: gonna be like in two months, but like maybe next months.
Speaker 1: We'll know what the future is gonna look like. In
Speaker 1: one month, but maybe back in two thousand, we know
Speaker 1: what the future is gonna look like for like twenty years.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? Like technology, I know, yes.
Speaker 2: No, I know what it's things. Yeah, I know what
Speaker 2: you're saying. We've we like since Yeah, I know what
Speaker 2: you're saying. Certain technologies have emerged in the last twenty
Speaker 2: years that have been like exponential and like a weird
Speaker 2: scary uh way, And yes, I know. When my dad
Speaker 2: was on the podcast, he talked a little bit about
Speaker 2: how like when he was like when my dad was
Speaker 2: our age, he talked about like, uh being more opted,
Speaker 2: Like people in the gen and that generation were like
Speaker 2: the future was cool, you know, like the idea of
Speaker 2: like look at like look at that iPhone, Look what
Speaker 2: this can do? Like we went we went pretty nobody's
Speaker 2: really like, oh, look what this can do. I mean,
Speaker 2: some people are some people are but things things have changed,
Speaker 2: for sure. I'm not. I don't know all the ship
Speaker 2: about like the world's been in I feel like I
Speaker 2: say some of that ship and people think I'm being
Speaker 2: like like dismissive of things, and I'm not. I'm really
Speaker 2: I'm not. I I know that. Like, yeah, I think you.
Speaker 1: Can hold both from a grand skill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from a grand scot, but you can hold both.
Speaker 2: Like things are things, you know. Fuck, Joe, I feel
Speaker 2: like you. I feel like you understand me, Joe. I
Speaker 2: appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Dude, I understand you because like, not only have I
Speaker 1: listened to your podcast for so long, but like how
Speaker 1: you question things and the things you think about and
Speaker 1: like the reasons for why you question them and how
Speaker 1: they make you feel, especially like I can relate to
Speaker 1: that so hard, Like you have no clue and it's
Speaker 1: gonna sound weird that I'm like God in the shower
Speaker 1: and I close my eyes and I'm like washing my face.
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking about like what was Le talking about
Speaker 1: on the podcast, Like that's crazy, like just all types
Speaker 1: of stuff. So like I don't know like when people
Speaker 1: go to like the because the one thing I kind
Speaker 1: of realized is like some people don't challenge their thoughts,
Speaker 1: they don't engage with them, and I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: like always mentally battling my thoughts, Like I'm like especially
Speaker 1: one thing that triggers like more complex thoughts in my
Speaker 1: head is like when I I was just talking to
Speaker 1: my mom about this the other day, Like when I
Speaker 1: see facial people display facial expressions that I don't see often,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what thoughts led to that facial expression?
Speaker 3: I don't even make that.
Speaker 1: I can't even make those facial expressions in the mirror,
Speaker 1: Like what type of thoughts do you have to have
Speaker 1: to like feel the emotions that lead to those facial expressions?
Speaker 1: You know? I know that people.
Speaker 2: How often are you figuring out? How often are you
Speaker 2: seeing new facial expressions? Dude, I feel like I've seen
Speaker 2: all of them.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just seeing rarer facial expressions more often
Speaker 1: since I became at EMT like franstance. Just recently, we
Speaker 1: got called so we got called this like a backup ambulance.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to call the police. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I so we It was an all female crew and
Speaker 1: me and my partner came to back up the all
Speaker 1: female crew because the patient was like two hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty five pounds and he was like really aggressive. He
Speaker 1: was alerted and oriented. He was like not able to walk,
Speaker 1: but he's able to punch you, you know. And we
Speaker 1: went and I remember the second I made eye contact
Speaker 1: with him, I remember thinking like, holy crap, Like that's
Speaker 1: so much intense emotion on his face, Like how do
Speaker 1: you have that? Like I don't even know what you
Speaker 1: have to go through to have Like he looked like
Speaker 1: he was ready to like bite somebody's a piece of
Speaker 1: somebody's skin out of their like flesh like it. I
Speaker 1: was like, whoa. And it's like I don't think people
Speaker 1: understand how unique like a human can feel in a
Speaker 1: human in an individual body. That's what that tells me.
Speaker 1: When I see like facial expression that I haven't seen before,
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, you feel super unique in your body.
Speaker 1: That's why you're making those unique facial expressions.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, because you're like yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that.
Speaker 2: This person has this person has such a unique feel
Speaker 2: in their body that that that that's coming out through
Speaker 2: their face. And I've never seen that before.
Speaker 1: Not even just not even just like not even just
Speaker 1: their facial expression, but just like how he was emoting,
Speaker 1: like how he was sweating, how he was breathing, what
Speaker 1: he was saying like it was like whoa, I've never
Speaker 1: seen somebody operating like this, like clearly, not not even
Speaker 1: just the facial expression sprand new, but just like the
Speaker 1: what his aura in the like the cocktail of everything
Speaker 1: that he was exhibiting, just like like whoa, bro Like,
Speaker 1: I don't meet human beings that are in this situation
Speaker 1: feeling this feeling going through this.
Speaker 2: Joe, what's up? Mhm, Joe. I've enjoyed talking to you.
Speaker 1: It's been it's been really odd because I did not
Speaker 1: know the format of these calls were like this, oh.
Speaker 2: What just Jatton, what do you mean? Another format of
Speaker 2: the calls for like this you what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Have you been listening to the thing for this long?
Speaker 1: But the podcast it's more like you speak, then the
Speaker 1: speaker speaks. It's more like a you're trying to narrate
Speaker 1: their story. But we're just like shooting the ship, dude.
Speaker 2: We do that, we did that, we did the yeah.
Speaker 1: But like the way you edited, it feels like it's
Speaker 1: more orchestrated, like you have not been trying to orchestrate
Speaker 1: the way we're having this conversation in the slightest that's
Speaker 1: been surprising.
Speaker 2: No, well not really, well, not really, just because we're Jack.
Speaker 2: I haven't felt like I needed to.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, that makes sense. That makes sense. I would
Speaker 1: also like to say, sure, I would not like to
Speaker 1: be on the podcast.
Speaker 2: You would like to be on the podcast.
Speaker 1: I would not like to.
Speaker 2: No, you had do you hold on?
Speaker 1: Joe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm totally putting this call on the podcast. I'm yeah,
Speaker 2: of course this is going on the talked for We
Speaker 2: just talked for an hour. Of course I'm putting that.
Speaker 2: You can't totally putting this. I'll believe your name, but
Speaker 2: of course I'm putting this on the podcast. I can't.
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't talk to me for an hour
Speaker 2: and then at the end of it say don't use
Speaker 2: this for the podcast.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is there any did you talk about
Speaker 2: anything that you specifically don't want in you did?
Speaker 1: I didn't like, you know, I'm just like a person.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you didn't like. It'd be one thing if
Speaker 2: you like, here's the thing, I would be sympathetic if
Speaker 2: you like revealed a lot of deeply personal, classified uh
Speaker 2: information about yourself. But we just shot the ship an hour.
Speaker 2: I'm totally putting this out as a podcast for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Joe.
Speaker 1: No, that's okay, that's okay. I'm like, I'm like kind
Speaker 1: of glad, you know. Man, all right, Man all right,
Speaker 1: asked me asking me the famous question, is.
Speaker 2: There anything else you want to say to the people
Speaker 2: of the computer before we go?
Speaker 1: Yeah. My favorite episodes are the Macedonia episode, in the
Speaker 1: Australia episode.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I know the Macedonia episode.
Speaker 1: On Oh you don't remember now? No, I just kidding
Speaker 1: what you say.
Speaker 2: I'll look, I'm trying to remember if I know that
Speaker 2: there is an Australia episode, and I know that there's
Speaker 2: a Macedonia episode, and now there's a Joe episode.
Speaker 1: It was nice talking to you, man.
Speaker 2: Nice talking to Joe. Keep it real, brother, you have.
Speaker 1: A go on. Yeah, take care of you too. Many
Speaker 1: by Joe.
Speaker 2: That was Joe. What a nice guy, Joe, sweet guy,
Speaker 2: sweet guy. A lot of integrity on that Joe. That's
Speaker 2: definitely the I'm definitely the most integral Joe I've ever known.
Speaker 1: Hello, ullo, what's up.
Speaker 2: Man. What's your name?
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Jimmy.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming this is Lyle.
Speaker 2: This is Lyle. What's up, Jimmy. How's it going?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: How's life? Oh?
Speaker 1: I guess good? Is all things?
Speaker 3: You know, can be considering some sadder situations, but nothing
Speaker 3: too crazy at the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just figuring it out, also trying to It's so
Speaker 3: funny everybody says that everything, like, Oh, I talked to
Speaker 3: this guy and it's like suddenly I'm like super jittery.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, now I'm going through that.
Speaker 2: You said, you said, what are things? Did you say
Speaker 2: sadder things? What did you say earlier?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Just some sadder I mean, like it's basic stuff.
Speaker 3: Just ended things with the girl recently, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Nothing too crazy.
Speaker 2: But how old are you? Brother?
Speaker 3: I am twenty eight?
Speaker 2: I'm also twenty eight. How does it feel for you
Speaker 2: to be twenty eight?
Speaker 3: Really good?
Speaker 1: Actually?
Speaker 3: I feel, you know, twenty four till like twenty six
Speaker 3: was like a really hard time for me. And from
Speaker 3: like twenty seven onwards, I think I kind of just
Speaker 3: started to feel myself a lot more and just find
Speaker 3: a lot more joy in things and be like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: like my brain is fully coming together. I guess it's
Speaker 3: fully developed, dude.
Speaker 2: I really do feel like you get to decide when
Speaker 2: your peak is, you know what I mean. Like, if
Speaker 2: you feel like you peaked when you were like twenty four,
Speaker 2: then then that's just it. But I've decided, I've just
Speaker 2: decided I'm gonna keep peaking. I've decided I'm gonna keep
Speaker 2: being amazing forever, you know what I mean. That's that's
Speaker 2: what you got to do, even if you're delusional, even
Speaker 2: if you're like, even if you have no evidence to
Speaker 2: actually back that up in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 2: you got to just keep rocking it.
Speaker 3: No, dude, I feel exactly the same way. Funnily enough,
Speaker 3: I like, I feel like so many people like thirty,
Speaker 3: But now I'm like.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start like looking forward to thirty.
Speaker 3: Almost lack in better words. It's like, oh cool, Like
Speaker 3: just this whole new decade starts, and it's like just
Speaker 3: new opportunities to kind of like keep exploring life and
Speaker 3: just sleep it kind of keep figuring myself out.
Speaker 2: Dude, it keeps going. I used to think the fact
Speaker 2: that it kept going was uh mortified me, But now
Speaker 2: I'm like Okay, no, we can. This is good. I
Speaker 2: mean I saw I think I've said this on the
Speaker 2: show before, but I saw like a I was in
Speaker 2: line at the airport once and I saw like a
Speaker 2: guy in his fifties pull out his phone and take
Speaker 2: a picture of something. And I was like, oh shit, man,
Speaker 2: I can. I'm gonna keep I do that now, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm gonna keep being a guy
Speaker 2: who sometimes takes his phone out to take a picture
Speaker 2: of something. Like I could just keep doing that, you know,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Does that sound insane? Do
Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I think it's just like, is that just like appreciating
Speaker 3: the little things still?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what I mean by that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just like, Oh, he's still alive.
Speaker 2: He's still alive. He's still doing it. You don't. It's
Speaker 2: not like you turn it. It's not like you turn
Speaker 2: a certain age and then you can bust, you know,
Speaker 2: just keep being alive.
Speaker 3: I know. Uh, this is stuff always like here you
Speaker 3: bring up on the show. It's like, I wonder what
Speaker 3: the like ages that you like kind of stop being
Speaker 3: alive and how you say, like oh like there's like
Speaker 3: the older person that is complaining to like the randomly
Speaker 3: grocery store worker or whatever, and it's just like, oh like,
Speaker 3: when when does that transition happen?
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's a I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't have the information. But my theory is that
Speaker 2: it's whatever you want. I mean, you can keep living
Speaker 2: as long as you want. I've had times where I
Speaker 2: thought I was dead as I was done, but I
Speaker 2: keep going. I keep deciding that I want to keep going.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm give me your name one more time.
Speaker 2: I forgot about it.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Juny Jimmy, think of Jimmy and like j I am.
Speaker 2: I okay, okay. I thought it was the name of
Speaker 2: the Spy Kids character Jimmy. Jimmy. Is there anything in
Speaker 2: particular that you called in to talk about today?
Speaker 3: I too too crazy, just kind of thought it'd be
Speaker 3: fun to just like talk to like fumbling about I
Speaker 3: guess just life and something that's a similar age.
Speaker 1: But also like a.
Speaker 3: Third party that has no connections to any of that,
Speaker 3: you know, it can just say whatever and you'd be.
Speaker 2: Okay. Typically, when somebody wants a third party opinion on
Speaker 2: something there is, like something is maybe going on or
Speaker 2: something about your life is transpiring that you're too close to.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate.
Speaker 1: When you say too close to what do you mean?
Speaker 2: Well, you said you want a third party who doesn't
Speaker 2: know you, right, and so I'm not close to you,
Speaker 2: I'm not close to your issues.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess like I wouldn't say there's like anything
Speaker 3: like particularly like oh like a third party a bite Huh.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean I'll just like start yapping about some of
Speaker 3: the stuff that way because I head on know how
Speaker 3: to properly explain it. I'm sure now I guess in
Speaker 3: that like same same vein like of turning twenty eight,
Speaker 3: like I said, you know, finding yourself out more. Uh.
Speaker 3: Something that I've found to like battle with a lot
Speaker 3: recently is like alcohol use for lack of better words.
Speaker 3: And I really like to think that I'm like a
Speaker 3: crazy like alcoholic or anything like that. It's definitely that
Speaker 3: is not much for sure and everything, But there's been
Speaker 3: so many times like throughout life where I'm like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: like I would love to cut back more. But it
Speaker 3: also is I've worked in the bar and restaurant industry
Speaker 3: pretty much as soon as I got out of high school,
Speaker 3: and that's always been a thing, and like that is
Speaker 3: just like something that is obviously so ingrained into that
Speaker 3: culture and it's really hard to pull away from it sometimes,
Speaker 3: which uh sometimes I think I do struggle with that,
Speaker 3: like financials, Like, oh, like if I don't I've run
Speaker 3: into issue so many times it was like, go, if
Speaker 3: I don't go out and drink, like I don't see
Speaker 3: my friends. But then like I can still be in
Speaker 3: those situations and not drink and it works out. But
Speaker 3: then it's like almost like a little fly on the wall,
Speaker 3: you're not necessarily involved fully, which is always just like
Speaker 3: an interesting like way to do it. I sometimes oh yeah,
Speaker 3: like but yeah, like sometimes beer, if I were like
Speaker 3: cut alcohol out of my life, is it like a
Speaker 3: social destruction social suicide f for lack of better word.
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, when you're yeah, when you're going out
Speaker 2: and you're not drinking, it's like you're observing the hanging out,
Speaker 2: but you're not participating in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, who are they like even just like and
Speaker 3: I think it's logically so from working in the bar
Speaker 3: and restaurant industry, it's a lot of people that you
Speaker 3: just like meet throughout that you know, maybe could be
Speaker 3: better word it is acquaintances or anything like that, but
Speaker 3: it's still people that like I enjoy their presence, you know,
Speaker 3: I think, but just in general, I'm a very social person,
Speaker 3: so it's very easy for me to be like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: like this person is just cool to talk to, you Like,
Speaker 3: I like to run into them, and I think I
Speaker 3: just whether it's people I know or not, like just
Speaker 3: from being in an industry, you know, it's cool to
Speaker 3: a big A big thing I like about it is
Speaker 3: being able to just go out and meet new people
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: And you feel like you can't do that without drinking.
Speaker 3: Just in that environment, Like, I'm sure there are That's
Speaker 3: kind of like the part I'm trying to find now
Speaker 3: is like, what are the things that I can do
Speaker 3: that aren't that And I, you know, continue to meet people,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can always like be out at bars
Speaker 2: and like have a fucking I mean, I've been known
Speaker 2: to slam down a diet cookie or two on a
Speaker 2: night out. I don't really like to drink random I
Speaker 2: don't really like to drink randomly. I like to kind
Speaker 2: of save my drunkennesses for special occasions.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I don't like, are is are you running into
Speaker 2: a lot of situations where like you're out and about
Speaker 2: and everyone else is drunk, and so they're just kind
Speaker 2: of annoying to talk to.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that they're annoying to talk to. I
Speaker 3: think I'm just very successful to pure pressure as everybody
Speaker 3: else I'm doing, like I might as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing you gotta get really in if
Speaker 2: you want to, Like, Okay, why are you trying to
Speaker 2: cut back on drinking? Because I think if you want to,
Speaker 2: like sobriety has to like be its own thing that
Speaker 2: you're like getting into that you're like stoked about, you know,
Speaker 2: because there's a like if I'm trying not to drink,
Speaker 2: or if I'm trying not to eat food, like I
Speaker 2: have to be I have to have good. I have
Speaker 2: certain behaviors that are bad for me that I'll never
Speaker 2: stop because I have no motivation to stop doing them.
Speaker 2: Like like the like food and alcohol, it's easy, like
Speaker 2: if you are getting drunk, Like if you're getting drunk
Speaker 2: a lot and fucking stuff up or getting drunk a
Speaker 2: lots making you fat, then you have like an easy
Speaker 2: kind of motivator, but uh, like, what's your motivator to
Speaker 2: stop drinking?
Speaker 3: I do think at the end of the day, like
Speaker 3: it doesn't like like there are more times that I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: I drank and regret or was like what benefit that
Speaker 3: I get out of this, versus I'm like wow, like
Speaker 3: I went out and drank and like had a really
Speaker 3: good time.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether it's just like regrettable text messages later, poor
Speaker 3: choices or action on and so forth. You know, there's
Speaker 3: a myriad of things that can come through all of that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's just like wanting to make better life choices.
Speaker 3: I guess, Yeah, I was just getting older and feeling
Speaker 3: better about the choices that I make.
Speaker 2: Uh. Okay, I'm gonna say something. It's gonna sound like
Speaker 2: a joke, and it's a little bit of a joke,
Speaker 2: but I'm also dead serious. Okay. Another, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: If you go out to the bar and all of
Speaker 2: your friends are drinking. You say you're susceptible to peer pressure,
Speaker 2: But what if there was actually a force that is
Speaker 2: even more addictive than peer pressure. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 2: what this force is. Jimmy. It's a powerful force, and
Speaker 2: you need to learn to enjoy this force. The force
Speaker 2: is called feeling like you're so much better than everyone else.
Speaker 2: When you are out and all your friends are drinking
Speaker 2: and you're not drinking, you get the benefit of looking
Speaker 2: around at all of them, judging them, being like, these
Speaker 2: people are wasting their lives. I'm taking care of myself.
Speaker 2: I'm being mature and responsible by not drinking. And then
Speaker 2: you're gonna feel like you're way better than everyone else,
Speaker 2: and you and by the and and you should relish
Speaker 2: in that. Don't act like don't don't act like it. Okay,
Speaker 2: don't let it corrupt your actions. Don't don't start acting
Speaker 2: like you're better than are. Acting like you're better than
Speaker 2: everyone else is a terrible idea. It's not worth anything.
Speaker 2: It's gonna make people hate you. But feeling like you're
Speaker 2: better than everyone else is genius. It's a It's a strong,
Speaker 2: syrupy pleasure, similar to that of whichever vice you're abstaining from.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Mm hm, So next time
Speaker 2: you're out, just be like I'm so the next time
Speaker 2: you're out, just be like I'm above this. You know,
Speaker 2: don't and here's the thing. You're gonna connect with other
Speaker 2: people who are also doing that, and you guys can
Speaker 2: relate in your better than everyone else misses together.
Speaker 1: You know, I will.
Speaker 3: I will absolutely try and practice that tomorrow. So we
Speaker 3: I live onto the East Coast, so a bunch of
Speaker 3: friends we want to go watch the Olympic gold medal
Speaker 3: hockey game tomorrow and that is eight am for us.
Speaker 3: And my goal it's not drink during that, mainly because
Speaker 3: I want to go to the gym right after and
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't come inside. But I will practice that
Speaker 3: tomorrow and you know, like take that in the other
Speaker 3: presice like all right, cool, Like this is the feeling
Speaker 3: that I feel on that, Like you said, not express
Speaker 3: it to the people then they're like, ah, fullier than
Speaker 3: that or whatever. But you know, definitely like keep that
Speaker 3: in mind and just kind of run with those feelings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, cause like I don't know, I mean, the
Speaker 2: motivation comes from the fact that you're like propelling forward
Speaker 2: on a.
Speaker 1: Goal, you know. Hmm.
Speaker 2: So that's got to be more powerful than the drink
Speaker 2: you're gonna your friends are gonna go drinking at eight am.
Speaker 3: It's not Yeah, I'm not gonna say it's gonna be
Speaker 3: like a crazy rager or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But still crazy, you know, just it's time.
Speaker 3: I would say so that that is not the norm
Speaker 3: at all. I don't want that to come off as oh,
Speaker 3: that's the norm that everybody don't it's this friend group
Speaker 3: or anything that is just for the uh Olympic hockey
Speaker 3: games on. We like to watch sports, and it's more
Speaker 3: bad than anything, you know, and that just happens to
Speaker 3: be a byproduct of going to a bar and watching
Speaker 3: the sports getting more often than.
Speaker 2: That when you're like out in about, like, are you
Speaker 2: the kind of guy where like any opportunity to have
Speaker 2: a beer you're gonna take it?
Speaker 1: I think it.
Speaker 3: I think it really depends on the mood that I'm in. Usually,
Speaker 3: Like right now, I I'm like talking about like I'm
Speaker 3: in a spot where like I feel like I could
Speaker 3: absolutely be like nah, I don't need that, you know,
Speaker 3: But there are definitely times where I'm like, oh, you
Speaker 3: know what, I'll drink a billion beers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's your name again, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Is that the main thing, the alcohol usage? Anything else
Speaker 2: crazy going on in your life.
Speaker 3: The only other thing in this is the conversation that
Speaker 3: I guess kind of sitting on my mind is that
Speaker 3: I feel like that, and this might be one that
Speaker 3: you have some interesting insights into. Is I feel like
Speaker 3: the world has become very nonchalant and just kind of
Speaker 3: like a care free and just like a lot of
Speaker 3: people are trying to be emotionally unavailable. And I think
Speaker 3: that is something that is like really kind of sucks
Speaker 3: to see right now. And maybe it's because like I
Speaker 3: feel like I, like I said, when in twenty four
Speaker 3: to twenty six, like I was staying out that time,
Speaker 3: it was very tough, Like I just I was like
Speaker 3: dealing with like a lot of illnesses and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and because of that, it became very nonchalant, carefree, and
Speaker 3: he was like, oh whatever, you know. So now I'm
Speaker 3: like over through a lot of that stuff. It's like
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like be emotionally available and like out
Speaker 3: there and put myself out there more so much, and
Speaker 3: it seems like so many people are just like openly
Speaker 3: like just feel like yeah, like that's all what I
Speaker 3: want right now. Different things like that, which is cool.
Speaker 3: You know, you're not gonna wait but I have a
Speaker 3: body all the time.
Speaker 2: But I have I have multiple I have a lot
Speaker 2: of questions. First of all, are you talking about like
Speaker 2: in general or romantically?
Speaker 1: I guess both.
Speaker 3: I've been like in general, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, okay, I go to mean, yeah, like you'll be
Speaker 2: out at a bar, like talking to somebody and they're
Speaker 2: just and You're just like, why are you not feeling
Speaker 2: the intense emotion of existence with me right now? Type
Speaker 2: of ship?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, it's like, oh wait a minute.
Speaker 2: So do you so do you really believe why do
Speaker 2: you why do you think that the world is becoming
Speaker 2: more nonchalant?
Speaker 3: I mean that I feel like there's so much like
Speaker 3: could be so many neighbo. I mean like I think
Speaker 3: people are scared to like an easy example for this,
Speaker 3: just like off the top of hea me, like politics alone.
Speaker 3: You know, like I think people are scared to like
Speaker 3: may say not that everybody goes and talks about politics,
Speaker 3: but like that's something that's very polarizing right now. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that are like, oh, like
Speaker 3: if right to left and don't like to talk or anything.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: It's just also feels like there's so many polarizing things
Speaker 3: emailutside of politics. So everything's made to be polarized right now,
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 2: But that's so like where where you live on the
Speaker 2: East Coast, but city you live in Pittsburgh. You in Pittsburgh, dude,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like on the Internet things
Speaker 2: are kind of like life is a little like weird
Speaker 2: and scary and polarized. But like I feel like shit's
Speaker 2: so different when you are talking to human beings in
Speaker 2: real life.
Speaker 3: I think like like things will be put aside, but
Speaker 3: I don't know they got like the connections there. But
Speaker 3: sometimes it feels like I don't know how to describe it,
Speaker 3: Like I things just feel different, I guess, And maybe
Speaker 3: that's me, but like I feel.
Speaker 1: Like there's for me.
Speaker 3: It feels like there's just like a general like I
Speaker 3: feel like opening up and trying to talk to people
Speaker 3: about things sometimes is like I don't know how to
Speaker 3: describe it. So maybe it's just something that's in my
Speaker 3: own head and not uh trying to project it onto others. Maybe,
Speaker 3: but hmmm, I don't know. I maybe it's also just
Speaker 3: like doom scrolling like spewing into it.
Speaker 2: Like do you think people are trying to be cool more?
Speaker 2: Like they're just not want like people are trying to
Speaker 2: be cool. They're not trying to like wear themselves on
Speaker 2: their chest as much.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, that, like, I guess that's far. Like
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm so excited to like just kind of
Speaker 3: like talk about whatever to anybody and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and I feel like there's just a lot of like, oh,
Speaker 3: like you know, kind of keep it in or don't
Speaker 3: vent too much or things like that, and I'm just
Speaker 3: kind of like it, let it all, let it all go,
Speaker 3: you know those people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I know what you mean. I think it's
Speaker 2: like not the norm. But those people exist, don't you feel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for no, they absolutely do. I guess like it's
Speaker 3: just I'm trying to find that fine mind and balance
Speaker 3: a lit.
Speaker 2: All where what I don't know if you're talking about
Speaker 2: the Internet or if you're talking about real life, but uh,
Speaker 2: where where have you been inhabiting and meeting people in
Speaker 2: real life that is leading you to these conclusions that
Speaker 2: the world has become more nonchalant.
Speaker 3: I think, and maybe this is just like mistake nonchalance
Speaker 3: for not like everything has to be like super lasting.
Speaker 3: But I guess like I feel like anymore there's a
Speaker 3: lot of like build a friendship whatever, but like it
Speaker 3: all kind of just like lasts for a day or
Speaker 3: two and then it's like all right, either just kind
Speaker 3: of move on whatever, you know, Like that's not the
Speaker 3: end of the world. But I feel like there's it's
Speaker 3: a lot harder to just kind of find lasting really friendships, relationships,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. In general, I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot of just like so many nieces to
Speaker 3: be hit or if that makes sense, I don't know
Speaker 3: if the right word.
Speaker 2: No, it makes it makes sense, but I mean, you
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta remember the classic. The older I get,
Speaker 2: the more I'm realizing that like so much of like
Speaker 2: friendship is about, uh, the exposure over time more than
Speaker 2: it is like an active too, because there's somebody, like
Speaker 2: life demands so much of you, so like where you are.
Speaker 2: If you're going to the same places recurringly with the
Speaker 2: same people, you become friends with them. But if you
Speaker 2: like meet some dude at a bar once or something,
Speaker 2: the chances that that friendship is going to last are
Speaker 2: so low because they require, uh, like some form of active,
Speaker 2: pointed effort between the two of you. It's not like
Speaker 2: you guys just like recurringly see each other. Uh So
Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's meant to die about. That's exhausting too.
Speaker 2: That's an exhausting way to make friends, like having like
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, like if you if,
Speaker 2: if you're if some if you and some guy are
Speaker 2: talking about getting lunch sometime and you guys get lunch
Speaker 2: and it's like, let's let's get lunch once a week.
Speaker 2: Like that's fucking exhausting. I don't want to do that,
Speaker 2: and nobody wants to do that. You know. You just
Speaker 2: want to be at the same place recurringly that other
Speaker 2: people are at. That's the that's the main way to
Speaker 2: make friends. Relationships are a little different. Uh but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I am I am I addressing what you're
Speaker 2: saying or do you feel like I'm not getting it?
Speaker 3: No? I think I I think you're absolutely in the right,
Speaker 3: like hitting the nail on the head because like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I also have like the friend groups that I do
Speaker 3: have where like it's recurring, you know, it's like good
Speaker 3: friends stuff like that. Always happy to see them, like
Speaker 3: go to trivia consistently with them on like Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Speaker 3: So like there I go, that group exists for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that group exists for sure. It's not like it doesn't.
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, some of the like I
Speaker 3: think I just needs to separate work more like say
Speaker 3: just working in the bar industry and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and so you just kind of like it's a very
Speaker 3: come and go transaction, and like I wonder ifrom just
Speaker 3: like that, you know seep in. I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: this is what I see is just a lot of
Speaker 3: come and go transactions.
Speaker 1: And stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, maybe that's like just works not
Speaker 3: real life. But I have hard to not wear that
Speaker 3: as real life whenever what you experience almost daily.
Speaker 2: See my best friends from high school, we have a
Speaker 2: we keep in touch over Facebook Messenger, but we're not like, oh,
Speaker 2: how's your day going type of shit. We're in like
Speaker 2: a we have a group chat where we just say, uh,
Speaker 2: stupid things to each other every day. I haven't had
Speaker 2: a real conversation these are my like best friends. I
Speaker 2: haven't had a real conversation with any of them in
Speaker 2: like at least a couple of months, but I have.
Speaker 2: I said, like, what I'm looking here? This morning? I
Speaker 2: said to my friend Uh. This morning, one of my
Speaker 2: friends said, I bet Bob Dylan has said okay at
Speaker 2: least one hundred times in his life, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean we have the we have the discord server equivalent.
Speaker 3: Well right, you know, or it's just whatever all the
Speaker 3: means and stuff into there.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's discord. That's the that's the digital version
Speaker 2: of the the hub of where you are see each
Speaker 2: other every day. Right, you have that thing. If you
Speaker 2: don't have that thing, you're not then all your relationships
Speaker 2: are gonna die. Because also as you get old, that's
Speaker 2: what that's why people get married and shit, because I
Speaker 2: think as you get older, you start to have a
Speaker 2: finite amount of like, like what relationships can you really
Speaker 2: actually how many human beings like relationships? And I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about like romantically or friendship, Like how many like
Speaker 2: relationships can you actually or fucking do you even want
Speaker 2: to put actual pointed effort into. The answer is probably
Speaker 2: like two or three as you get older, And so
Speaker 2: one of them should be like, you know, your partner,
Speaker 2: and then the other one is like, uh, whoever it
Speaker 2: is that gives you money so that you can live,
Speaker 2: You don't want to piss that person off? You want
Speaker 2: to you don't have a good relationship with that person,
Speaker 2: and then uh, and then maybe pick someone else. But
Speaker 2: other than that, it's like you just have to live
Speaker 2: a life where you're naturally adding yourself to those relationships.
Speaker 2: And I guess that's why alcohol helps, because it's easy
Speaker 2: to just kind of loosen up. It's exhausting to talk,
Speaker 2: you know, I like talking to people. I wouldn't do
Speaker 2: any shit I do if I didn't, but it's exhausting.
Speaker 3: It definitely is definitely uh takes a toll on you,
Speaker 3: just like mental energy, you know, he says, maybe not
Speaker 3: physically exhausting, but mentally, I mean, especially pointing a conversation
Speaker 3: for any like anywhere from two hours long words. I mean,
Speaker 3: but it adds up for sure.
Speaker 2: Dude, people I really like, I don't even want to
Speaker 2: talk to as much, you know, do you know what I'm
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I mean that's like a weird thing. And I guess,
Speaker 3: like I think maybe on like realizing scared of like
Speaker 3: a digital age more than anything. It's like, I guess
Speaker 3: it's more like as you've like kind of talked about
Speaker 3: like the three relationship things and stuff like that, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: like I just like want to see people in person,
Speaker 3: same I love digitally all the time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love I love being around people. I
Speaker 2: want to be around people all the time. It's talking
Speaker 2: to them that I'm that like, I'm all I I
Speaker 2: I like the whole ambivert thing. I feel that way
Speaker 2: about like talking to people, not necessarily being around them.
Speaker 2: I always want to be around them, but I only
Speaker 2: want to talk to them sometimes.
Speaker 3: See, I think that's the on mind, like as an extrovert,
Speaker 3: Like but I'm extroverted. I'm not gonna pretendly oh this
Speaker 3: or that, and like I just I do just even
Speaker 3: though I just said it can be Boston too, I agree,
Speaker 3: Like I just kind of want to yapp all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't want to never want to shut up.
Speaker 2: I Jimmy is yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, but it's like kind of weird
Speaker 3: and like that digital age thing where it's like now
Speaker 3: like everybody's so connected all the time, but also like
Speaker 3: I would not connected at the same time, if that
Speaker 3: makes any sense, Like of course you're there and like
Speaker 3: readily available, but I don't know, I guess the non
Speaker 3: in person interaction sometimes just feel shallow.
Speaker 2: Well, the good news is, man, you can fucking you
Speaker 2: can go do whatever you want now. You don't have
Speaker 2: to wrong, the Internet is optional. You don't have to
Speaker 2: be on there, you just put your phone down.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I feel some weird obligation to
Speaker 3: like be a part of it, though, like I said,
Speaker 3: like I want to.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: Like I I go through like wanting to delete my
Speaker 3: Instagram all the time. That's the newest thing, and I
Speaker 3: don't entirely understand why, but I'm like, that's what I
Speaker 3: should do. I should.
Speaker 1: Are you you.
Speaker 2: Use like for do you use it for your job
Speaker 2: or to do literally anything productive whatsoever at all?
Speaker 3: No? If anything, it is unproductive.
Speaker 1: Deleted.
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Yeah, why do you even have it?
Speaker 1: Just delete it?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because it's another way of just trying
Speaker 3: to like stay connected with people, and that that's the
Speaker 3: part that uh appears me to get rid of him, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: It's no, it's yeah, but it's not. No, it's not
Speaker 2: you're do you watch reels.
Speaker 3: More than I should? Right now?
Speaker 2: Absolutely exactly, So you're not you're not actually connecting with anyone,
Speaker 2: You're just watching reels or like, no, it's stupid. You
Speaker 2: should totally delete it. I mean, I have mine deleted
Speaker 2: off my phone as much as I can, but then
Speaker 2: I'll watch reels and I hate. I hate watching reels.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's a stupid man, you don't you
Speaker 2: don't need it. If you if you feel like you
Speaker 2: need to get rid of it.
Speaker 3: Jimmy, I'm look, it took someone just saying if you're
Speaker 3: just watching reels.
Speaker 2: To lead it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, You're.
Speaker 2: Right, It's it's just it's just it's a waste of time. Jimmy,
Speaker 2: is there anything else you have to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go?
Speaker 3: The biggest I would say, just you know, love your
Speaker 3: friends and stay connected with people.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jimmy, you have a good rest of the day.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 3: You two le I appreciate you got blessed brother.
Speaker 2: No man, uh, being around Like I said, being around
Speaker 2: people's great. It's the talking to them, like I sometimes
Speaker 2: they like having a one on one conversation with Like
Speaker 2: if I'm at like a Sometimes I'll be at like
Speaker 2: an event ors something and there's a bunch of people
Speaker 2: around and I'll really feel in my soul. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I like that I'm here right now. I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk to anyone here, And then someone will start
Speaker 2: talking to me and I'll be like, fuck, it's taking
Speaker 2: a lot of Like it depends, right, If I have
Speaker 2: a lot of energy, I'll talk to them. If I
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of energy, I just start saying
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. I just I have a crazy person personality
Speaker 2: that I'll default into when I don't have enough energy
Speaker 2: to act like a normal person. So I gotta be
Speaker 2: careful because I you know, I'll say some out of
Speaker 2: pocket shit randomly that I shouldn't. Uh So I don't know.
Speaker 2: But also but also I don't. It's just some person
Speaker 2: like I don't like I could. I don't care. I
Speaker 2: could say I could say horrible things to like the
Speaker 2: CEO of Microsoft that makes them hate me, and what
Speaker 2: is he going to do to my life that matters?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: So I don't. So it's not often that, like if
Speaker 2: I am at a party and I'm talking to someone,
Speaker 2: if I accidentally pissed them off, it's not often. It's
Speaker 2: not like that person is going to then them being
Speaker 2: pissed off of me destroy my existence.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I want to be a dick. I don't say anything
Speaker 2: to be like a dick, but I just I might.
Speaker 2: I might say something that someone else is like the
Speaker 2: cause I don't know if I like that guy's a
Speaker 2: little weird. But I won't like be mean to people
Speaker 2: or like rude. You know, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying anymore. Never goes off the line,
Speaker 2: taking your phone calls.
Speaker 1: Every night, never goes to his I's teaching you a
Speaker 1: loud and mean to be.
Speaker 2: He's not really an expert.