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Speaker 1: Hello, how it goes a while? How you doing, man?

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Speaker 2: I I'm doing all right, brother, I'm you know, another day,

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Speaker 2: another day of being alive on the Great Green Earth,

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Speaker 2: doing my job eating food. I cooked breakfast this morning.

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Speaker 2: I never do that, but I did it too.

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Speaker 1: You cooked breakfast. That's actually insane to hear that.

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Speaker 2: Are you? Are you? I feel like the way you

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Speaker 2: said hi to me makes me feel like you listen

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Speaker 2: to the show, and you listening to the show makes

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Speaker 2: me feel like you maybe know me a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and that makes me feel like you actually are not

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Speaker 2: fucking with me by saying that you are surprised that

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Speaker 2: I cooked breakfast.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not fucking with you at all, dude. I've

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Speaker 1: listened to you for like five years, and like in

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Speaker 1: my head, like at one point I thought you were famous.

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Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I've known you for a while and

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Speaker 1: like you're a guy in my head that like you

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Speaker 1: like order food in my head, like a lot of food.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, you cooked breakfast. That's like surprising me

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Speaker 2: I love I love that I went from famous in

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Speaker 2: your head to a guy that orders a lot of food.

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Speaker 1: You were always the guy that ordered a lot of food.

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Speaker 1: But but I guess, like I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: explain this, but like influencers in my head went from

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Speaker 2: Sense, they went from famous to having influence. Can you

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Speaker 2: explain this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if I saw certain influencers prior, like maybe

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Speaker 1: little bit or they would feel more rare. But now

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Speaker 1: when I see an influencer, I just think more like

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Speaker 1: that they have like a following, or they have like

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Speaker 1: or maybe they have money or they have like a

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Speaker 1: good job. Like I don't always think they're famous. Like

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Speaker 1: there might be somebody with seven hundred thousand followers on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: They're an influencer, but they're not famous if that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that makes perfect sense. But wait, who what influencers

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Speaker 2: have you seen in real life?

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Speaker 1: In real life, I've seen Melvin Gregg if you know

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Speaker 2: No, who the fuck is I'm looking them up.

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Speaker 1: He's like a vine influencer that's now like an actor

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Speaker 1: on like Netflix and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh I feel like I've maybe seen this dude before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, other influencers, I can't off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: I can't think of other influences. Oh, I've seen Chancellor

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know he's not.

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Speaker 1: Really like an influencer, he's a rapper, But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: feel like people. I feel like Internet people are losing

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Speaker 2: Power, as they should. I mean, it makes total sense.

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Speaker 2: No one's really famous right now. I mean, actually that's

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Speaker 2: right now, but the internet famous. Speed is famous, Timothy

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Speaker 2: Shalame is famous. Ye, Like it's weird, dude, Like, there's

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Speaker 2: all there's so many fucking people who have like I mean,

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Speaker 2: It used to be there, used to be like less

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Speaker 2: of an outly But that's good. It's kind of awesome though,

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Speaker 2: right because I feel like it's democratized the media landscape

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Speaker 2: and it's also led to this like, I guess middle

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Speaker 1: Because I think like the pipelines from like I think

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Speaker 1: And I think if you take that away, that just

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Speaker 2: Wait, why do you feel like hold on? I was

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Speaker 2: just about to say the opposite. I was about to say,

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Speaker 2: it's good for like the middle class of greater because

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Speaker 1: But you see, okay, say that, say that first part again,

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Speaker 1: say that first part if you're smart. Yeah, exactly. That's

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Speaker 1: not everybody. That's not everybody. Like I see people on

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Speaker 1: it's it's like hard to monetize off of the Internet

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Speaker 1: if you're not like sad, like you have a podcast

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Speaker 1: I remember when I started watching. I think I started

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Speaker 2: Yes, twenty on Reddit.

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Speaker 1: That's not everybody's case.

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Speaker 2: It is, No, it's true. I mean I make I

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Speaker 2: make a living through I make a living primarily through

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Speaker 2: the like this podcast and through touring. But like there's

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Speaker 2: I make virtually zero money, like posting videos on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: But there's some people who, like all they do is

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Speaker 1: It just depends in my opinion who it is and

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Speaker 1: like what their monetization model is. Like For instance, there's

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Speaker 1: Like they'll be like, Hey, if you're a jogger in

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Speaker 1: those dudes are making like twenty K a month. You

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying if you want to do videos.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, I mean if I I think if

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Speaker 2: people have told me like, oh, you should like like

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Speaker 2: if I was like an influencery type of person, I'd

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Speaker 1: Dude, you don't think you're an influency type of person.

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Speaker 2: I don't like I would like you. I would never

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Speaker 2: I think. I think that's how like most influencery people

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Speaker 1: There's probably nobody on the Internet who I followed like

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess, yeah, But like I guess, when I

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Speaker 2: think of like an influencer, I think of like someone

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Speaker 1: You know, dude. When I think of an influencer, I

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was thinking in like a more of

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Speaker 2: a well okay, whatever mayor do you have parents?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I do have?

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Speaker 2: Are they there? Then they're influencers. They probably influence you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it's obvious they influenced me. They're my parents,

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Speaker 1: that's like part of their role. But like influencer is

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Speaker 1: somebody that like gained my influence through like consensual Like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, do you feel like you are easily influenced?

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Speaker 1: I think everybody is, like have you if you've ever

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Speaker 1: it's like a double edged sword, like I am easily influenced,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I feel like I feel like

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Speaker 2: I don't like buy a lot of shit? Like do you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, I guess. I guess propaganda works

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Speaker 2: Do you, like do you when you see ads for

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't buy it yet, but I know I

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's because of the ad?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Huh okay, what other ways repeatedly? What other ways recently

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Speaker 2: do you think you've been heavily influenced?

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Speaker 1: Hmmm? Oh you know what. Let me think. One way

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by like vigilant for their safety.

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Speaker 1: Like if yeah, for their safety, for their guidance out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense. I mean you're talking

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Speaker 2: about you do You're just talking about like being influenced

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Speaker 2: a product of your environment. You speak English. Who's fault

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Speaker 2: is that? That's everyone around you's been speaking English forever.

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Speaker 2: Now you've now you now you do it? Now you

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Speaker 2: do it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: True?

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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What do you do? You have a job?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do have a job. I'm emt Oh.

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Speaker 2: You're an emt Yeah. Who influenced you to be an

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Speaker 1: Probably my probably probably my grandmother. In twenty twenty, my grandmother,

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Speaker 1: Joe.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: existence through this sure universe. So like you can go

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Speaker 2: It's like you can go and reddit and be like,

438
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: my girlfriend said this, or my boss said this, or

439
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 2: my mom said this or whatever, and I feel this way

440
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and you might have a bunch of

441
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: people say something and then you could go, Okay, I'm

442
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: gonna take the consensus of whatever the most people said

443
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Speaker 2: as validation. But I don't think that consensus and objective

444
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: truth have like an overlap. Like consensus is just consensus.

445
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't because something is the consensus of how everyone

446
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 2: feels about a thing doesn't automatically make it true. So

447
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: at a certain point, the closest you can really get

448
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: to an objective truth is you take the consensus in

449
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: as information, and if you decide to align your personal

450
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: decision and your personal evaluation of your own feelings with

451
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: the cons then that's the closest that you'll get to

452
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: creating a subjective reality backed validation of your own feelings.

453
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Speaker 2: But you're never gonna nothing, You're never gonna be right,

454
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Speaker 2: You're never gonna be trademark TM right.

455
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Speaker 1: You know, there's just this thing and that's weird. That's

456
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Speaker 1: like I was, it's weird you say that, because I

457
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: was just thinking about that this morning. How you can

458
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Speaker 1: walk like they say you you'll never know what it's

459
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: like to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, And

460
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: it's like, but you know exactly what it's like to

461
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: walk a mile in shoes in that same like brand,

462
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: that same whatever size, everything. It's just not their shoes.

463
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Speaker 1: So you just don't know, like you could you have

464
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Speaker 1: the same experience. You just have no clue if it's

465
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Speaker 1: the same experience.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you don't never you'll never know. But also,

467
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Speaker 2: to play devil's advocate to everything I just said, I

468
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: think that if somebody has a similar learned experience to you,

469
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: or maybe they're a little older and they've experienced a

470
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, you can, like you can kind of

471
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Speaker 2: collect an aggregate of other people. And this is almost

472
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: what we're trying to do on the podcast. You can

473
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Speaker 2: collect an aggregate of other people's again, like the Canno,

474
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Speaker 2: I don't okay, I don't think. I don't think that

475
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Speaker 2: like a group consensus of your feelings is like objective reality.

476
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Speaker 2: But you can get pretty damn close to something by

477
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Speaker 2: just collecting an aggregate, I guess that's what. I don't

478
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Speaker 2: know if it can sensus in an aggregator, No, it

479
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: can sens it's in an aggregator. Are different things, I guess.

480
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: But if you go around you collect, like you talk

481
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Speaker 2: to like fifty people in their fifties, like advice on

482
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: being married or whatever, you can kind of gleam certain

483
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: things where it's like, all right, we put human beings

484
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: who have similar ish brains as you're saying, they've walked

485
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Speaker 2: that path in the same brand of shoes in the

486
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: same size. They're not literally exactly your shoes because you

487
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: have your unique learned experience. But you ask you know,

488
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: fifty people who've walked the same path in the same

489
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Speaker 2: shoes and the same brand, and you get the aggregate

490
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: of their experience. There's clear value in that perspective, but

491
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: it's there's still not there's still nothing objective to it. Yeah,

492
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: is everything I'm saying making any sense? Or am I

493
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: just sounding?

494
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Speaker 1: Of course? Dude? Like there's probably never been a time

495
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: on this podcast where you're talking and you asked that

496
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, you didn't make sense. Like every time.

497
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, that makes sense, dude. The only

498
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: thing I don't know is, like, the only thing I

499
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: don't know is the difference between like aggregate and consensious.

500
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Speaker 1: I think consensus is just like a like a what

501
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: like the majority conclusion, and aggregate is just like a

502
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: large group or body of folks. I don't know. You're

503
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: the fucking man, Joe, dude, I'm twenty eight, Yeah, twenty

504
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: eight years old.

505
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: Cool, we're the same age. Yeah, crazy.

506
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool too. That's cool to listen to a

507
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: podcast by a guy that's the same age as me.

508
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Speaker 2: Cool man, Fuck fuck with you, heavy, Joe. Okay, what's

509
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: your You're like, Steve.

510
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Speaker 1: You're dude. It's like when you mentioned you listened to

511
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 1: Stavros Harkis, or if you mentioned any like Bobby Lee thing,

512
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, yeah, you're like you can totally feel

513
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: the influence of those people in your podcast.

514
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, Uh yeah, I I listened to Stov's podcast lies,

515
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: but I well, I like listening to Stovey's World because

516
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: Stavros is like almost a decade older than me, and

517
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of his uh I've done.

518
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: I met him a long time ago. He did comedy

519
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: in my basement, like working seven years ago. Maybe I

520
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: used to. I used to. I used to be an

521
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: editor for that podcast like six Wow, before I did

522
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: this Woor that wore. It used to be he used

523
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: to do a show called Stobby Solves Your Problems. And

524
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: before I did Therapy Gecko, I had a job up

525
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: where for like, yeah, like once a week he would

526
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: send me like a three hour twitch vod and I

527
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: would like pick the best phone calls from his podcast

528
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: and then I would like make like little Instagram clips

529
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: and like help run the YouTube page or whatever. And

530
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: then he uh, and then I think he like stopped

531
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: doing it and then he rebranded it or whatever. But

532
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: it's kind of funny that I used to work for

533
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: that show before doing this. But it's fair. I like

534
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: listening to him because he's yeah, he's like a decade

535
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: older than me. Uh, but like it's interest and also

536
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of his callers are a

537
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: little older than me, so it's like it's like I'm

538
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: you know, in in life, you're always like watching a

539
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: little older than you, Like when you're in elementary school,

540
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: you're watching like middle schoolers on TV. When you're in

541
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: middle school, you watch a high schoolers on TV. High school,

542
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: you watch a college people. I feel like that just

543
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: kept going. Like I'm like with podcasts, I'm like trying

544
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: to listen to, Like I'm very interested in listening to

545
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: people who are like a little bit older than me

546
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: talking about life, like having the same problems, you know,

547
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: like watching like I'm watching Seinfeld because it's like, Okay,

548
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: these people are like living in New York, like dating,

549
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: running around, but they're in their thirties. Yeah, yeah, a

550
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: little older than me.

551
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Speaker 1: It's interesting because I'm interested less in the age range

552
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: of who I'm watching or listening to and more of

553
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: like what that person's thinking about or what they're talking about.

554
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: And I find that like different age ranges think about

555
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: like it's not uniform, like all sixty year olds, you're

556
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: not having sixteen year old thoughts and vice versa. So

557
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: I just like to listen to the people that are

558
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: thinking about the stuff that I like to think about,

559
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: which is like like probably human psychology, spirituality, and philosophy.

560
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: Because outside of like those three topics everything else not

561
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: that it makes sense, but like those three are super

562
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: confusing to begin with, So I'm like already stuck on those.

563
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: I like thinking about uh, normal stuff too. I feel

564
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: like I get to uh, I get too existential, I

565
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 2: get into too much like life feels too uh. I

566
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: see people do it. I see people figure out how

567
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: to I see people also who are like older than me,

568
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: who can I and I don't like know them intimately.

569
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 2: Maybe something. There's some people I know a little intimately

570
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: who are like older than me that figure it out,

571
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: who like can live life on a lighter tone, And

572
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: I know how to do that. I figured I figured

573
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: out how to live life on a lighter tone after

574
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: like feeling like every day felt like kind of heavy

575
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: and weird.

576
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Speaker 3: You know.

577
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: I like the point of the way you do it

578
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: is you just design some kind of rhythm to your

579
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: life that you can get distracted by.

580
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Speaker 1: Hmmm, dude, I would say for me, since COVID, every

581
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: single day has felt weird. Every single day even every

582
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: single day feel every single day since COVID it felt

583
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: like I we flipped timelines or something and we live

584
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: in an inverted one or something or I don't know.

585
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: It felt like, wait, bro hold on, why why is everything?

586
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: Every single day for the past six years it's felt

587
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: weird to.

588
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: You because it felt like that was a life altering

589
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: event that now the consequences of that event like shapes

590
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: people's lives in such a way that they don't really realize.

591
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: And it feels it feels like I can see the

592
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: effects of like COVID in twenty twenty six, like extremely clearly,

593
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: you know.

594
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: But you're talking about But I, okay, yes, I mean

595
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: COVID completely completely my life. I wouldn't be doing this

596
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for COVID. I have no idea what

597
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: I'd be doing or what my life would look like.

598
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: But like, like, dude, I'm talking all the way down

599
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: to like AI and doom scrolling and the economy and

600
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: all types of stuff, Ice Doyal Trump, Like it all

601
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: feels like we've lived in this altered timeline that we

602
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to live in, and like COVID was the

603
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: like the catalyst that started all of it.

604
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but dude, you've heard you've if you listen to

605
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: the show, you probably heard me go on this rant before.

606
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: But like.

607
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: You're acting like it's all dude, it's always been like that.

608
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 2: But we had a fucking we had two world Wars,

609
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: we had a black plague, we had the fucking Internet

610
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: and the printing. But like, this has always been happening.

611
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: This is not the first time that there's been like

612
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: corrupt world leaders or scary technology or change. Like like

613
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: life is a Safti Brothers movie. You know, it's always going.

614
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: It's never not. It's never not, and you'll always look

615
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: nostalgically back on like five years ago, but like it's

616
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: just always it's never not been, always going, it's never

617
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: not been.

618
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 4: Like, dude, I was watching this video came up on

619
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Speaker 4: my YouTube channel.

620
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: I was four years old when nine to eleven happens,

621
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 2: Like I don't remember that shit, but this video came

622
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: up on my YouTube channel of Conan O'Brien like addressing

623
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: his audience on like September eighteenth, two thousand and one,

624
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: and he goes on this long diet, Like, dude, do

625
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 2: you remember when all the late night show people got

626
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: on their desks like March twenty twenty boom, and they

627
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: were like doing this whole thing where they were like,

628
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: I don't know how we're gonna keep moving on in

629
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: these unprecedented weird times. I mean the fact that all

630
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: of this crazy stuff is going on, and we're we

631
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: don't know how we're gonna be able to do this show.

632
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: I saw Coda le'brian do that in two thousand and one,

633
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 2: fucking twenty years earlier, when fucking nine to eleven happened.

634
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: Like like like life crazy altering events that have been

635
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: happening for eternity, you know what I mean, So like

636
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: that's just another one of them. Unprecedented times are highly precedented.

637
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: They're yeah, they're they're constant, I guess, and because I

638
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: because I definitely agree with what you're saying, and I

639
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: kind of take back like half of what I'm saying,

640
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: but like in a way, it still feels like some

641
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: things that I haven't seen or like they haven't been

642
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: consistent throughout history. Like for instance, I'm seeing like people's

643
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: atension span just be just gone, just like not there

644
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: just people sunk in into their phones and like while

645
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: they're driving there people are on their phones and like

646
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: it's like they're not even conscious or just like one

647
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: thing I think is super weird is I like I

648
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: walk outside a lot, like during the summertime, there's just

649
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: like I don't I don't see like lightning bugs, anymore,

650
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: or just like I see less bugs out, just like weird.

651
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: When I walk into a McDonald's, there's no people in there,

652
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: just like weird stuff Like I don't remember. I remember

653
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: that stuff when I was younger, when I was like

654
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, Like I walk into a McDonald's,

655
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: I see a bunch of people, I see lightning bugs.

656
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I was just a kid, or maybe I'm getting older,

657
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: But like I feel like people aren't even watching like

658
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: that much TV nowadays. Like I feel like the world

659
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: is shifting in a way that it hasn't and that yeah,

660
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: that makes me feel weird.

661
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: You know, the world is shifted, yet the world is

662
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: shifting in a way that is uh exponential as time

663
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: goes on, because it's how like developments and technology goes

664
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: But I try to be optimistic in the sense that

665
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: I still think that it's I still think like when

666
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: I look at the world and I look at like

667
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: what people are doing and what opportunities like are still there,

668
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: and like what's still around, I feel very genuinely that

669
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: if you want to figure out how to make a

670
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: spot in the world for you to exist thrivingly, that

671
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: you can do it, Like there's still.

672
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I mean I believe that.

673
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, dude, you're fucking EMT. You like do

674
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: a real thing, you don't like yeah, you don't like

675
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: make AI dog videos for a living, Like you're still here.

676
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure.

677
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 2: You still have a job where you go around talking

678
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: to old people about their life. You're still here. Like

679
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: it's twenty Like people are like, we live in this

680
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: crazy future and then it's and we sure we do,

681
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 2: but like it's right now, it's twenty twenty six, and

682
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: we have the crazy AI technology, crazy crap open claw

683
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: dog video chat cheep, but we have it all now,

684
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: we have it all right. It's not a thing that's coming.

685
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: It's here right now. And you're still here an EMT

686
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: being this guy having these thoughts talking to old people.

687
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 2: But you're like you're doing where you're doing it, you're

688
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 2: succeeding within the crazy future.

689
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it's also because

690
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: as a child, my expectation of what the current reality

691
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: that I'm living is it doesn't line up of what

692
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I thought my future would be like, especially with like dude,

693
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: it's even it's just like weird. Even when I like

694
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: walking to public. I'm like, this seems like I'm being

695
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: an adult. What Like, I don't know. I just thought

696
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: it'd be different growing up.

697
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: I thought, what do you think it would be?

698
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: Like more innocent. I thought people would be I don't know, happier, uh,

699
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: more lively. I don't know. Maybe I'm like, maybe I'm naive,

700
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: But like I thought life was going to have a

701
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: little bit more sparkle and joy in people's personal lives.

702
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem to be a case, like especially

703
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: walking around as an EMT, like whatever, my patients, they're sick.

704
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: It's obvious that they have a poor quality of life sometimes,

705
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: but like I mean even talking to like receptionists or

706
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: health other healthcare professionals or I don't know, just like, yeah,

707
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people days seem like they're just going

708
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: through it.

709
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: Well, you're in a weird occupation. You picked the wrong occupation.

710
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: If you want to see people with joy in their eyes,

711
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: people don't.

712
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: People know I occupations. That's why I stick with occupation

713
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: because I know it's like sad people, hurt people, miserable people.

714
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I have I feel like I

715
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: have like a when I go to sleep, I wake

716
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: up in the morning, it's like I hit the reset button.

717
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: I got a clear sleep. I wake up like totally fine.

718
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's been like that my whole life.

719
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: That's why I feel like, like good for healthcare, because

720
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: like I go to bed and I wake up and

721
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: it's like whatever, I'm ready, you know, man.

722
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: I Uh So, I was in Ukraine like a month

723
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: ago shooting a documentary.

724
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: Dude, you're going crazy places.

725
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: Man, I'm going to crazy places. Uh, It's it's my

726
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: new thing. I'm going to crazy places.

727
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: You talked about. You said something to Lord Miles that

728
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: you said you're an adult in outer space and I

729
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, lilas too, that's creeh.

730
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I think i've I've I've kind of

731
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: cracked the code on how to be I've cracked the

732
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: code on how to be an astronaut without uh going insane.

733
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: I think I have Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have it.

734
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: But anyway, So I was in Ukraine. I'm making a

735
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: documentary redditing it right now. Hopefully it'll be out in

736
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: like a month. We'll see. But uh, I met this

737
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: guy Roman. This guy Roman, uh like DMed me on

738
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: Instagram inviting me there, and I stayed at his house

739
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: for a bit, and uh, he's fucking awesome. He's fucking like.

740
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: We stayed at his house where he had no fucking

741
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: power for a bit and he's like dealing with He's

742
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: just like dealing with at this crazy crap. He's like,

743
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: you know, friends and family that have like been you know,

744
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: severely affected by this war, and uh, yeah, dude, I

745
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: he we I don't want to like a lot of

746
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: this stuff is gonna be in the documentary, but he

747
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: talks about this thing where he's just like, I think

748
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: nihilism is such bullshit, and I think that this idea

749
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: that we have of people being like, oh, the world

750
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: is like a shitty place, and like, yeah, nihilism and

751
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: stuff is just kind of kind of bullshit. And it's

752
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: people like ascribing a judgment value to a thing that

753
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: just simply is.

754
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

755
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: And I really really fucked with his h his his

756
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: interpretation life, and and it rubbed off. I mean I

757
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: feel that way. I feel that way too, I feel

758
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: like and also by the way, so much of that

759
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: is just caused by the phone. You know, this guy Roman,

760
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: he talks a lot about like trying not to use

761
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: his phone, and he has like an analog room where

762
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't use any technology, and he's very like getting

763
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: off the internet and stuff. And I really like when

764
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: you get off the internet and you just like look around.

765
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: Like, dude, it's crazy.

766
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to say that things are

767
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: quote unquote not that bad.

768
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: No, it's like everything's fine, and you're like, what was

769
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: going on before?

770
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: It's not, yeah, you know, it's just it's not that

771
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: like everything is fine and like it's just that the

772
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: world is. I don't think people realize that the world

773
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: is in like a constant state of motion.

774
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, like metamorphis almost.

775
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't I'm not trying to say like, yeah,

776
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: there's all sure, there's a lot to be afraid of,

777
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 2: but they're always has.

778
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: Been yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I mean that's

779
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: a very wise glory thing of you to say.

780
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know.

781
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean maybe the block I completed the loop, I've

782
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: seen this end all ready.

783
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: Think of you to think, well, I don't know, man,

784
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't fucking know, man, I don't know,

785
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: but like maybe it's because you know what I mean,

786
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 2: maybe it's because, like you know what I mean. I

787
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: think it's because like Americans, like we've like Americans have

788
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: had a pretty have had it pretty chill for a

789
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: long time. I think we I think maybe it's just

790
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 2: not Americans have had it like we've had it pretty

791
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 2: fucking chill for a long time, right, And I feel

792
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: like a lot of the ship that we're going through,

793
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: like it's like it's unprecedented for us, and that we

794
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: I think maybe we're we have this thing of like

795
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: this shit couldn't happen to us, and now it's happened

796
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: to us.

797
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course, but like this shit's.

798
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know not to get just stuff.

799
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: But one thing that comforts to me is like whenever

800
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: I have scary thoughts about the future or just like

801
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: not being okay twenty years from now, forty years from now,

802
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: I go, I'm someone that's that even though certain thoughts

803
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: can be really rare and unique, thoughts are pretty repeated

804
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: throughout human history, and I believe that like the thoughts

805
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: that I've had, my ancestors have had as well. So

806
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: if I've ever thought like, oh no, the future is

807
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: gonna be scary, like and I'm not and I'm gonna

808
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: be unsafe. Oh my god. So many of my ancestors

809
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: have thought the same thing, and I'm like proof of

810
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: their safety, so I know I'm gonna be fine. My

811
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: ancestors have thought the same thing for the problems that

812
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: existed and their time period, because that's what I think too.

813
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: I think like I think, like, oh my god, these

814
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: problems are so brand new AI and international freaking genocide

815
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: from the sky, and I go, no, these are just

816
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: like the features of our generation, the same way that

817
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: like people couldn't predict I don't know, airplanes flying into

818
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: buildings in two thousands, like things. You know, everyone has

819
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: their things for their time period and it scares them

820
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: and they persevere, So I know I'll be like fine

821
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: in the long run. But no, the future is it,

822
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: I would say less, it's like scary in my head

823
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: and more just like completely uncertainly what it's gonna look like.

824
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: And that's weird to.

825
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: Me, but that's that's an inherent value of the future.

826
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: This is it's uncertainty.

827
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: But I feel like the further you go back in

828
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: our past, the more the future looks the same. Uh, Like,

829
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: for instance, like it feels like every three months to

830
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: every three to six months, we can see like a

831
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: month or two lessons to the future. Like like it

832
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: feels like maybe we can tell what the future is

833
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: gonna be like in two months, but like maybe next months.

834
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: We'll know what the future is gonna look like. In

835
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: one month, but maybe back in two thousand, we know

836
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: what the future is gonna look like for like twenty years.

837
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? Like technology, I know, yes.

838
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: No, I know what it's things. Yeah, I know what

839
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: you're saying. We've we like since Yeah, I know what

840
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: you're saying. Certain technologies have emerged in the last twenty

841
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: years that have been like exponential and like a weird

842
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: scary uh way, And yes, I know. When my dad

843
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 2: was on the podcast, he talked a little bit about

844
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: how like when he was like when my dad was

845
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: our age, he talked about like, uh being more opted,

846
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 2: Like people in the gen and that generation were like

847
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: the future was cool, you know, like the idea of

848
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: like look at like look at that iPhone, Look what

849
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: this can do? Like we went we went pretty nobody's

850
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: really like, oh, look what this can do. I mean,

851
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: some people are some people are but things things have changed,

852
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: for sure. I'm not. I don't know all the ship

853
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: about like the world's been in I feel like I

854
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: say some of that ship and people think I'm being

855
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 2: like like dismissive of things, and I'm not. I'm really

856
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm not. I I know that. Like, yeah, I think you.

857
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: Can hold both from a grand skill.

858
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, from a grand scot, but you can hold both.

859
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 2: Like things are things, you know. Fuck, Joe, I feel

860
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: like you. I feel like you understand me, Joe. I

861
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: appreciate you.

862
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Dude, I understand you because like, not only have I

863
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: listened to your podcast for so long, but like how

864
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: you question things and the things you think about and

865
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: like the reasons for why you question them and how

866
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: they make you feel, especially like I can relate to

867
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: that so hard, Like you have no clue and it's

868
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: gonna sound weird that I'm like God in the shower

869
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: and I close my eyes and I'm like washing my face.

870
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking about like what was Le talking about

871
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: on the podcast, Like that's crazy, like just all types

872
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: of stuff. So like I don't know like when people

873
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: go to like the because the one thing I kind

874
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: of realized is like some people don't challenge their thoughts,

875
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: they don't engage with them, and I feel like I'm

876
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: like always mentally battling my thoughts, Like I'm like especially

877
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: one thing that triggers like more complex thoughts in my

878
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: head is like when I I was just talking to

879
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: my mom about this the other day, Like when I

880
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: see facial people display facial expressions that I don't see often,

881
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, what thoughts led to that facial expression?

882
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: I don't even make that.

883
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: I can't even make those facial expressions in the mirror,

884
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: Like what type of thoughts do you have to have

885
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: to like feel the emotions that lead to those facial expressions?

886
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: You know? I know that people.

887
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: How often are you figuring out? How often are you

888
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: seeing new facial expressions? Dude, I feel like I've seen

889
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: all of them.

890
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just seeing rarer facial expressions more often

891
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: since I became at EMT like franstance. Just recently, we

892
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: got called so we got called this like a backup ambulance.

893
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: They didn't want to call the police. I don't know,

894
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: I so we It was an all female crew and

895
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: me and my partner came to back up the all

896
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: female crew because the patient was like two hundred and

897
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: eighty five pounds and he was like really aggressive. He

898
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: was alerted and oriented. He was like not able to walk,

899
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: but he's able to punch you, you know. And we

900
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: went and I remember the second I made eye contact

901
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: with him, I remember thinking like, holy crap, Like that's

902
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: so much intense emotion on his face, Like how do

903
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: you have that? Like I don't even know what you

904
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: have to go through to have Like he looked like

905
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: he was ready to like bite somebody's a piece of

906
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: somebody's skin out of their like flesh like it. I

907
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: was like, whoa. And it's like I don't think people

908
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: understand how unique like a human can feel in a

909
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: human in an individual body. That's what that tells me.

910
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: When I see like facial expression that I haven't seen before,

911
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, you feel super unique in your body.

912
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: That's why you're making those unique facial expressions.

913
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, because you're like yeah.

914
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that.

915
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: This person has this person has such a unique feel

916
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: in their body that that that that's coming out through

917
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 2: their face. And I've never seen that before.

918
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: Not even just not even just like not even just

919
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: their facial expression, but just like how he was emoting,

920
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: like how he was sweating, how he was breathing, what

921
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: he was saying like it was like whoa, I've never

922
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: seen somebody operating like this, like clearly, not not even

923
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: just the facial expression sprand new, but just like the

924
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: what his aura in the like the cocktail of everything

925
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: that he was exhibiting, just like like whoa, bro Like,

926
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: I don't meet human beings that are in this situation

927
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: feeling this feeling going through this.

928
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 2: Joe, what's up? Mhm, Joe. I've enjoyed talking to you.

929
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: It's been it's been really odd because I did not

930
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: know the format of these calls were like this, oh.

931
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: What just Jatton, what do you mean? Another format of

932
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 2: the calls for like this you what do you mean?

933
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 2: Have you been listening to the thing for this long?

934
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: But the podcast it's more like you speak, then the

935
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: speaker speaks. It's more like a you're trying to narrate

936
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: their story. But we're just like shooting the ship, dude.

937
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 2: We do that, we did that, we did the yeah.

938
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: But like the way you edited, it feels like it's

939
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: more orchestrated, like you have not been trying to orchestrate

940
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: the way we're having this conversation in the slightest that's

941
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: been surprising.

942
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: No, well not really, well, not really, just because we're Jack.

943
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 2: I haven't felt like I needed to.

944
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, that makes sense. That makes sense. I would

945
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: also like to say, sure, I would not like to

946
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: be on the podcast.

947
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: You would like to be on the podcast.

948
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: I would not like to.

949
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: No, you had do you hold on?

950
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: Joe?

951
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm totally putting this call on the podcast. I'm yeah,

952
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: of course this is going on the talked for We

953
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: just talked for an hour. Of course I'm putting that.

954
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: You can't totally putting this. I'll believe your name, but

955
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: of course I'm putting this on the podcast. I can't.

956
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't talk to me for an hour

957
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: and then at the end of it say don't use

958
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: this for the podcast.

959
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right?

960
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is there any did you talk about

961
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 2: anything that you specifically don't want in you did?

962
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: I didn't like, you know, I'm just like a person.

963
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you didn't like. It'd be one thing if

964
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: you like, here's the thing, I would be sympathetic if

965
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: you like revealed a lot of deeply personal, classified uh

966
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: information about yourself. But we just shot the ship an hour.

967
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: I'm totally putting this out as a podcast for sure.

968
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Joe.

969
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: No, that's okay, that's okay. I'm like, I'm like kind

970
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: of glad, you know. Man, all right, Man all right,

971
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: asked me asking me the famous question, is.

972
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 2: There anything else you want to say to the people

973
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: of the computer before we go?

974
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. My favorite episodes are the Macedonia episode, in the

975
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: Australia episode.

976
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I know the Macedonia episode.

977
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: On Oh you don't remember now? No, I just kidding

978
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: what you say.

979
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: I'll look, I'm trying to remember if I know that

980
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: there is an Australia episode, and I know that there's

981
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: a Macedonia episode, and now there's a Joe episode.

982
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: It was nice talking to you, man.

983
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: Nice talking to Joe. Keep it real, brother, you have.

984
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: A go on. Yeah, take care of you too. Many

985
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: by Joe.

986
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: That was Joe. What a nice guy, Joe, sweet guy,

987
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: sweet guy. A lot of integrity on that Joe. That's

988
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: definitely the I'm definitely the most integral Joe I've ever known.

989
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: Hello, ullo, what's up.

990
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 2: Man. What's your name?

991
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Jimmy.

992
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm assuming this is Lyle.

993
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 2: This is Lyle. What's up, Jimmy. How's it going?

994
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: Man?

995
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: How's life? Oh?

996
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: I guess good? Is all things?

997
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: You know, can be considering some sadder situations, but nothing

998
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: too crazy at the end of the day, you know,

999
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: I'm just figuring it out, also trying to It's so

1000
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 3: funny everybody says that everything, like, Oh, I talked to

1001
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 3: this guy and it's like suddenly I'm like super jittery.

1002
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, now I'm going through that.

1003
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 2: You said, you said, what are things? Did you say

1004
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 2: sadder things? What did you say earlier?

1005
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? Just some sadder I mean, like it's basic stuff.

1006
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: Just ended things with the girl recently, stuff like that.

1007
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Nothing too crazy.

1008
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: But how old are you? Brother?

1009
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: I am twenty eight?

1010
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: I'm also twenty eight. How does it feel for you

1011
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 2: to be twenty eight?

1012
00:56:58,600 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: Really good?

1013
00:56:59,120 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: Actually?

1014
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 3: I feel, you know, twenty four till like twenty six

1015
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 3: was like a really hard time for me. And from

1016
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: like twenty seven onwards, I think I kind of just

1017
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 3: started to feel myself a lot more and just find

1018
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,959
Speaker 3: a lot more joy in things and be like, oh wow,

1019
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 3: like my brain is fully coming together. I guess it's

1020
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 3: fully developed, dude.

1021
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: I really do feel like you get to decide when

1022
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: your peak is, you know what I mean. Like, if

1023
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: you feel like you peaked when you were like twenty four,

1024
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: then then that's just it. But I've decided, I've just

1025
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: decided I'm gonna keep peaking. I've decided I'm gonna keep

1026
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: being amazing forever, you know what I mean. That's that's

1027
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: what you got to do, even if you're delusional, even

1028
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 2: if you're like, even if you have no evidence to

1029
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 2: actually back that up in any way, shape or form,

1030
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: you got to just keep rocking it.

1031
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: No, dude, I feel exactly the same way. Funnily enough,

1032
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 3: I like, I feel like so many people like thirty,

1033
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: But now I'm like.

1034
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start like looking forward to thirty.

1035
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: Almost lack in better words. It's like, oh cool, Like

1036
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: just this whole new decade starts, and it's like just

1037
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: new opportunities to kind of like keep exploring life and

1038
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: just sleep it kind of keep figuring myself out.

1039
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: Dude, it keeps going. I used to think the fact

1040
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: that it kept going was uh mortified me, But now

1041
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm like Okay, no, we can. This is good. I

1042
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: mean I saw I think I've said this on the

1043
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: show before, but I saw like a I was in

1044
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: line at the airport once and I saw like a

1045
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 2: guy in his fifties pull out his phone and take

1046
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: a picture of something. And I was like, oh shit, man,

1047
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: I can. I'm gonna keep I do that now, you

1048
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I'm gonna keep being a guy

1049
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: who sometimes takes his phone out to take a picture

1050
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: of something. Like I could just keep doing that, you know,

1051
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Does that sound insane? Do

1052
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying?

1053
00:58:58,960 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: No?

1054
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: I think it's just like, is that just like appreciating

1055
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: the little things still?

1056
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what I mean by that.

1057
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just like, Oh, he's still alive.

1058
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: He's still alive. He's still doing it. You don't. It's

1059
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: not like you turn it. It's not like you turn

1060
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: a certain age and then you can bust, you know,

1061
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: just keep being alive.

1062
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 3: I know. Uh, this is stuff always like here you

1063
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: bring up on the show. It's like, I wonder what

1064
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: the like ages that you like kind of stop being

1065
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: alive and how you say, like oh like there's like

1066
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 3: the older person that is complaining to like the randomly

1067
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: grocery store worker or whatever, and it's just like, oh like,

1068
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: when when does that transition happen?

1069
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's a I mean, I don't know.

1070
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: I don't have the information. But my theory is that

1071
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 2: it's whatever you want. I mean, you can keep living

1072
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: as long as you want. I've had times where I

1073
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: thought I was dead as I was done, but I

1074
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: keep going. I keep deciding that I want to keep going.

1075
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,919
Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm give me your name one more time.

1076
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: I forgot about it.

1077
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 3: Jimmy Juny Jimmy, think of Jimmy and like j I am.

1078
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: I okay, okay. I thought it was the name of

1079
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: the Spy Kids character Jimmy. Jimmy. Is there anything in

1080
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: particular that you called in to talk about today?

1081
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 3: I too too crazy, just kind of thought it'd be

1082
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: fun to just like talk to like fumbling about I

1083
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: guess just life and something that's a similar age.

1084
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: But also like a.

1085
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 3: Third party that has no connections to any of that,

1086
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 3: you know, it can just say whatever and you'd be.

1087
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: Okay. Typically, when somebody wants a third party opinion on

1088
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: something there is, like something is maybe going on or

1089
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: something about your life is transpiring that you're too close to.

1090
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: Is that accurate.

1091
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: When you say too close to what do you mean?

1092
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: Well, you said you want a third party who doesn't

1093
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: know you, right, and so I'm not close to you,

1094
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm not close to your issues.

1095
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 3: Well, I guess like I wouldn't say there's like anything

1096
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: like particularly like oh like a third party a bite Huh.

1097
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1098
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: I mean I'll just like start yapping about some of

1099
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 3: the stuff that way because I head on know how

1100
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: to properly explain it. I'm sure now I guess in

1101
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 3: that like same same vein like of turning twenty eight,

1102
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 3: like I said, you know, finding yourself out more. Uh.

1103
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: Something that I've found to like battle with a lot

1104
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 3: recently is like alcohol use for lack of better words.

1105
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 3: And I really like to think that I'm like a

1106
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: crazy like alcoholic or anything like that. It's definitely that

1107
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 3: is not much for sure and everything, But there's been

1108
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 3: so many times like throughout life where I'm like, oh wow,

1109
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 3: like I would love to cut back more. But it

1110
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 3: also is I've worked in the bar and restaurant industry

1111
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: pretty much as soon as I got out of high school,

1112
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 3: and that's always been a thing, and like that is

1113
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 3: just like something that is obviously so ingrained into that

1114
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: culture and it's really hard to pull away from it sometimes,

1115
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: which uh sometimes I think I do struggle with that,

1116
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 3: like financials, Like, oh, like if I don't I've run

1117
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 3: into issue so many times it was like, go, if

1118
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 3: I don't go out and drink, like I don't see

1119
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: my friends. But then like I can still be in

1120
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 3: those situations and not drink and it works out. But

1121
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 3: then it's like almost like a little fly on the wall,

1122
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: you're not necessarily involved fully, which is always just like

1123
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 3: an interesting like way to do it. I sometimes oh yeah,

1124
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: like but yeah, like sometimes beer, if I were like

1125
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 3: cut alcohol out of my life, is it like a

1126
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 3: social destruction social suicide f for lack of better word.

1127
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, when you're yeah, when you're going out

1128
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: and you're not drinking, it's like you're observing the hanging out,

1129
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 2: but you're not participating in it.

1130
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, who are they like even just like and

1131
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 3: I think it's logically so from working in the bar

1132
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 3: and restaurant industry, it's a lot of people that you

1133
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 3: just like meet throughout that you know, maybe could be

1134
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: better word it is acquaintances or anything like that, but

1135
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 3: it's still people that like I enjoy their presence, you know,

1136
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: I think, but just in general, I'm a very social person,

1137
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 3: so it's very easy for me to be like, oh wow,

1138
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 3: like this person is just cool to talk to, you Like,

1139
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 3: I like to run into them, and I think I

1140
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 3: just whether it's people I know or not, like just

1141
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 3: from being in an industry, you know, it's cool to

1142
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 3: a big A big thing I like about it is

1143
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 3: being able to just go out and meet new people

1144
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 3: all the time.

1145
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: And you feel like you can't do that without drinking.

1146
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 3: Just in that environment, Like, I'm sure there are That's

1147
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 3: kind of like the part I'm trying to find now

1148
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 3: is like, what are the things that I can do

1149
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 3: that aren't that And I, you know, continue to meet people,

1150
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 3: I guess.

1151
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you can always like be out at bars

1152
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 2: and like have a fucking I mean, I've been known

1153
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: to slam down a diet cookie or two on a

1154
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: night out. I don't really like to drink random I

1155
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: don't really like to drink randomly. I like to kind

1156
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: of save my drunkennesses for special occasions.

1157
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: So I.

1158
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 2: Mean, I don't like, are is are you running into

1159
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: a lot of situations where like you're out and about

1160
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: and everyone else is drunk, and so they're just kind

1161
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 2: of annoying to talk to.

1162
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that they're annoying to talk to. I

1163
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 3: think I'm just very successful to pure pressure as everybody

1164
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 3: else I'm doing, like I might as well.

1165
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing you gotta get really in if

1166
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: you want to, Like, Okay, why are you trying to

1167
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: cut back on drinking? Because I think if you want to,

1168
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: like sobriety has to like be its own thing that

1169
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: you're like getting into that you're like stoked about, you know,

1170
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 2: because there's a like if I'm trying not to drink,

1171
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: or if I'm trying not to eat food, like I

1172
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: have to be I have to have good. I have

1173
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: certain behaviors that are bad for me that I'll never

1174
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 2: stop because I have no motivation to stop doing them.

1175
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: Like like the like food and alcohol, it's easy, like

1176
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: if you are getting drunk, Like if you're getting drunk

1177
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: a lot and fucking stuff up or getting drunk a

1178
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: lots making you fat, then you have like an easy

1179
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 2: kind of motivator, but uh, like, what's your motivator to

1180
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 2: stop drinking?

1181
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 3: I do think at the end of the day, like

1182
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:38,439
Speaker 3: it doesn't like like there are more times that I'm like, wow,

1183
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: I drank and regret or was like what benefit that

1184
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 3: I get out of this, versus I'm like wow, like

1185
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 3: I went out and drank and like had a really

1186
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: good time.

1187
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1188
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether it's just like regrettable text messages later, poor

1189
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 3: choices or action on and so forth. You know, there's

1190
01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: a myriad of things that can come through all of that. Yeah,

1191
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 3: I think it's just like wanting to make better life choices.

1192
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: I guess, Yeah, I was just getting older and feeling

1193
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 3: better about the choices that I make.

1194
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 2: Uh. Okay, I'm gonna say something. It's gonna sound like

1195
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: a joke, and it's a little bit of a joke,

1196
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: but I'm also dead serious. Okay. Another, here's the thing.

1197
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: If you go out to the bar and all of

1198
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 2: your friends are drinking. You say you're susceptible to peer pressure,

1199
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 2: But what if there was actually a force that is

1200
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: even more addictive than peer pressure. I'm gonna tell you

1201
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: what this force is. Jimmy. It's a powerful force, and

1202
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: you need to learn to enjoy this force. The force

1203
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 2: is called feeling like you're so much better than everyone else.

1204
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: When you are out and all your friends are drinking

1205
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 2: and you're not drinking, you get the benefit of looking

1206
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: around at all of them, judging them, being like, these

1207
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: people are wasting their lives. I'm taking care of myself.

1208
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: I'm being mature and responsible by not drinking. And then

1209
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,959
Speaker 2: you're gonna feel like you're way better than everyone else,

1210
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 2: and you and by the and and you should relish

1211
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: in that. Don't act like don't don't act like it. Okay,

1212
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: don't let it corrupt your actions. Don't don't start acting

1213
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 2: like you're better than are. Acting like you're better than

1214
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: everyone else is a terrible idea. It's not worth anything.

1215
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna make people hate you. But feeling like you're

1216
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: better than everyone else is genius. It's a It's a strong,

1217
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 2: syrupy pleasure, similar to that of whichever vice you're abstaining from.

1218
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Mm hm, So next time

1219
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: you're out, just be like I'm so the next time

1220
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: you're out, just be like I'm above this. You know,

1221
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 2: don't and here's the thing. You're gonna connect with other

1222
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 2: people who are also doing that, and you guys can

1223
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: relate in your better than everyone else misses together.

1224
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: You know, I will.

1225
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 3: I will absolutely try and practice that tomorrow. So we

1226
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 3: I live onto the East Coast, so a bunch of

1227
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 3: friends we want to go watch the Olympic gold medal

1228
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 3: hockey game tomorrow and that is eight am for us.

1229
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 3: And my goal it's not drink during that, mainly because

1230
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 3: I want to go to the gym right after and

1231
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't come inside. But I will practice that

1232
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 3: tomorrow and you know, like take that in the other

1233
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 3: presice like all right, cool, Like this is the feeling

1234
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 3: that I feel on that, Like you said, not express

1235
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 3: it to the people then they're like, ah, fullier than

1236
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 3: that or whatever. But you know, definitely like keep that

1237
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 3: in mind and just kind of run with those feelings.

1238
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, cause like I don't know, I mean, the

1239
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:53,839
Speaker 2: motivation comes from the fact that you're like propelling forward

1240
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 2: on a.

1241
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: Goal, you know. Hmm.

1242
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 2: So that's got to be more powerful than the drink

1243
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 2: you're gonna your friends are gonna go drinking at eight am.

1244
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 3: It's not Yeah, I'm not gonna say it's gonna be

1245
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 3: like a crazy rager or anything like that.

1246
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 2: But still crazy, you know, just it's time.

1247
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 3: I would say so that that is not the norm

1248
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 3: at all. I don't want that to come off as oh,

1249
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 3: that's the norm that everybody don't it's this friend group

1250
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: or anything that is just for the uh Olympic hockey

1251
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 3: games on. We like to watch sports, and it's more

1252
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 3: bad than anything, you know, and that just happens to

1253
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 3: be a byproduct of going to a bar and watching

1254
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 3: the sports getting more often than.

1255
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: That when you're like out in about, like, are you

1256
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 2: the kind of guy where like any opportunity to have

1257
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 2: a beer you're gonna take it?

1258
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: I think it.

1259
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 3: I think it really depends on the mood that I'm in. Usually,

1260
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 3: Like right now, I I'm like talking about like I'm

1261
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 3: in a spot where like I feel like I could

1262
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 3: absolutely be like nah, I don't need that, you know,

1263
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 3: But there are definitely times where I'm like, oh, you

1264
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 3: know what, I'll drink a billion beers?

1265
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's your name again, Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy Jimmy.

1266
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: Is that the main thing, the alcohol usage? Anything else

1267
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: crazy going on in your life.

1268
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 3: The only other thing in this is the conversation that

1269
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: I guess kind of sitting on my mind is that

1270
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 3: I feel like that, and this might be one that

1271
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 3: you have some interesting insights into. Is I feel like

1272
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 3: the world has become very nonchalant and just kind of

1273
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 3: like a care free and just like a lot of

1274
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 3: people are trying to be emotionally unavailable. And I think

1275
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 3: that is something that is like really kind of sucks

1276
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 3: to see right now. And maybe it's because like I

1277
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 3: feel like I, like I said, when in twenty four

1278
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 3: to twenty six, like I was staying out that time,

1279
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 3: it was very tough, Like I just I was like

1280
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 3: dealing with like a lot of illnesses and stuff like that,

1281
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: and because of that, it became very nonchalant, carefree, and

1282
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 3: he was like, oh whatever, you know. So now I'm

1283
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 3: like over through a lot of that stuff. It's like

1284
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like be emotionally available and like out

1285
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 3: there and put myself out there more so much, and

1286
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 3: it seems like so many people are just like openly

1287
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 3: like just feel like yeah, like that's all what I

1288
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 3: want right now. Different things like that, which is cool.

1289
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 3: You know, you're not gonna wait but I have a

1290
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 3: body all the time.

1291
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: But I have I have multiple I have a lot

1292
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 2: of questions. First of all, are you talking about like

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Speaker 2: in general or romantically?

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Speaker 1: I guess both.

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Speaker 3: I've been like in general, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, okay, I go to mean, yeah, like you'll be

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Speaker 2: out at a bar, like talking to somebody and they're

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Speaker 2: just and You're just like, why are you not feeling

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Speaker 2: the intense emotion of existence with me right now? Type

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Speaker 2: of ship?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, it's like, oh wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: So do you so do you really believe why do

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01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 2: you why do you think that the world is becoming

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,200
Speaker 2: more nonchalant?

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Speaker 3: I mean that I feel like there's so much like

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01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 3: could be so many neighbo. I mean like I think

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01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 3: people are scared to like an easy example for this,

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Speaker 3: just like off the top of hea me, like politics alone.

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01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 3: You know, like I think people are scared to like

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Speaker 3: may say not that everybody goes and talks about politics,

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 3: but like that's something that's very polarizing right now. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that are like, oh, like

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Speaker 3: if right to left and don't like to talk or anything.

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Speaker 1: Like.

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Speaker 3: It's just also feels like there's so many polarizing things

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Speaker 3: emailutside of politics. So everything's made to be polarized right now,

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 2: But that's so like where where you live on the

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Speaker 2: East Coast, but city you live in Pittsburgh. You in Pittsburgh, dude,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like on the Internet things

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01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,839
Speaker 2: are kind of like life is a little like weird

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01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 2: and scary and polarized. But like I feel like shit's

1323
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 2: so different when you are talking to human beings in

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Speaker 2: real life.

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Speaker 3: I think like like things will be put aside, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know they got like the connections there. But

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Speaker 3: sometimes it feels like I don't know how to describe it,

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01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 3: Like I things just feel different, I guess, And maybe

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Speaker 3: that's me, but like I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like there's for me.

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Speaker 3: It feels like there's just like a general like I

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01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 3: feel like opening up and trying to talk to people

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01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 3: about things sometimes is like I don't know how to

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 3: describe it. So maybe it's just something that's in my

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01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 3: own head and not uh trying to project it onto others. Maybe,

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01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 3: but hmmm, I don't know. I maybe it's also just

1337
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 3: like doom scrolling like spewing into it.

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Speaker 2: Like do you think people are trying to be cool more?

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01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: Like they're just not want like people are trying to

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01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 2: be cool. They're not trying to like wear themselves on

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Speaker 2: their chest as much.

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, that, like, I guess that's far. Like

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01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm so excited to like just kind of

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01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 3: like talk about whatever to anybody and stuff like that,

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01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 3: and I feel like there's just a lot of like, oh,

1346
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 3: like you know, kind of keep it in or don't

1347
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 3: vent too much or things like that, and I'm just

1348
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 3: kind of like it, let it all, let it all go,

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01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 3: you know those people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I know what you mean. I think it's

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Speaker 2: like not the norm. But those people exist, don't you feel.

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01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, for no, they absolutely do. I guess like it's

1353
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 3: just I'm trying to find that fine mind and balance

1354
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: a lit.

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Speaker 2: All where what I don't know if you're talking about

1356
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 2: the Internet or if you're talking about real life, but uh,

1357
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 2: where where have you been inhabiting and meeting people in

1358
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: real life that is leading you to these conclusions that

1359
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 2: the world has become more nonchalant.

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Speaker 3: I think, and maybe this is just like mistake nonchalance

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01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 3: for not like everything has to be like super lasting.

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 3: But I guess like I feel like anymore there's a

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01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: lot of like build a friendship whatever, but like it

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 3: all kind of just like lasts for a day or

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01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 3: two and then it's like all right, either just kind

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01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 3: of move on whatever, you know, Like that's not the

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 3: end of the world. But I feel like there's it's

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01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 3: a lot harder to just kind of find lasting really friendships, relationships,

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. In general, I think

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of just like so many nieces to

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Speaker 3: be hit or if that makes sense, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if the right word.

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Speaker 2: No, it makes it makes sense, but I mean, you

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta remember the classic. The older I get,

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01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: the more I'm realizing that like so much of like

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01:15:50,920 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: friendship is about, uh, the exposure over time more than

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 2: it is like an active too, because there's somebody, like

1378
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 2: life demands so much of you, so like where you are.

1379
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Speaker 2: If you're going to the same places recurringly with the

1380
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 2: same people, you become friends with them. But if you

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: like meet some dude at a bar once or something,

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01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 2: the chances that that friendship is going to last are

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01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:33,799
Speaker 2: so low because they require, uh, like some form of active,

1384
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: pointed effort between the two of you. It's not like

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01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 2: you guys just like recurringly see each other. Uh So

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's meant to die about. That's exhausting too.

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Speaker 2: That's an exhausting way to make friends, like having like

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01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean, like if you if,

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Speaker 2: if you're if some if you and some guy are

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01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 2: talking about getting lunch sometime and you guys get lunch

1391
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 2: and it's like, let's let's get lunch once a week.

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Speaker 2: Like that's fucking exhausting. I don't want to do that,

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01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 2: and nobody wants to do that. You know. You just

1394
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: want to be at the same place recurringly that other

1395
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 2: people are at. That's the that's the main way to

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Speaker 2: make friends. Relationships are a little different. Uh but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I am I am I addressing what you're

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01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 2: saying or do you feel like I'm not getting it?

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Speaker 3: No? I think I I think you're absolutely in the right,

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 3: like hitting the nail on the head because like, oh yeah,

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01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 3: I also have like the friend groups that I do

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 3: have where like it's recurring, you know, it's like good

1403
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 3: friends stuff like that. Always happy to see them, like

1404
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: go to trivia consistently with them on like Tuesdays and Thursdays.

1405
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 3: So like there I go, that group exists for sure. Yeah,

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01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:46,719
Speaker 3: like that group exists for sure. It's not like it doesn't.

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01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, some of the like I

1408
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 3: think I just needs to separate work more like say

1409
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 3: just working in the bar industry and stuff like that,

1410
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 3: and so you just kind of like it's a very

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01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 3: come and go transaction, and like I wonder ifrom just

1412
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 3: like that, you know seep in. I'm like, oh, well,

1413
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 3: this is what I see is just a lot of

1414
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 3: come and go transactions.

1415
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: And stuff like that.

1416
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, maybe that's like just works not

1417
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 3: real life. But I have hard to not wear that

1418
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 3: as real life whenever what you experience almost daily.

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01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: See my best friends from high school, we have a

1420
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 2: we keep in touch over Facebook Messenger, but we're not like, oh,

1421
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: how's your day going type of shit. We're in like

1422
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 2: a we have a group chat where we just say, uh,

1423
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: stupid things to each other every day. I haven't had

1424
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: a real conversation these are my like best friends. I

1425
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 2: haven't had a real conversation with any of them in

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01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 2: like at least a couple of months, but I have.

1427
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 2: I said, like, what I'm looking here? This morning? I

1428
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 2: said to my friend Uh. This morning, one of my

1429
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 2: friends said, I bet Bob Dylan has said okay at

1430
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: least one hundred times in his life, you know.

1431
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 3: I mean we have the we have the discord server equivalent.

1432
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 3: Well right, you know, or it's just whatever all the

1433
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 3: means and stuff into there.

1434
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 2: Right, And that's discord. That's the that's the digital version

1435
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 2: of the the hub of where you are see each

1436
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 2: other every day. Right, you have that thing. If you

1437
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: don't have that thing, you're not then all your relationships

1438
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 2: are gonna die. Because also as you get old, that's

1439
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 2: what that's why people get married and shit, because I

1440
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: think as you get older, you start to have a

1441
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 2: finite amount of like, like what relationships can you really

1442
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 2: actually how many human beings like relationships? And I'm not

1443
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: talking about like romantically or friendship, Like how many like

1444
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: relationships can you actually or fucking do you even want

1445
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 2: to put actual pointed effort into. The answer is probably

1446
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 2: like two or three as you get older, And so

1447
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: one of them should be like, you know, your partner,

1448
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: and then the other one is like, uh, whoever it

1449
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: is that gives you money so that you can live,

1450
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: You don't want to piss that person off? You want

1451
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: to you don't have a good relationship with that person,

1452
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 2: and then uh, and then maybe pick someone else. But

1453
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 2: other than that, it's like you just have to live

1454
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: a life where you're naturally adding yourself to those relationships.

1455
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 2: And I guess that's why alcohol helps, because it's easy

1456
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: to just kind of loosen up. It's exhausting to talk,

1457
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 2: you know, I like talking to people. I wouldn't do

1458
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,520
Speaker 2: any shit I do if I didn't, but it's exhausting.

1459
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 3: It definitely is definitely uh takes a toll on you,

1460
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 3: just like mental energy, you know, he says, maybe not

1461
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 3: physically exhausting, but mentally, I mean, especially pointing a conversation

1462
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 3: for any like anywhere from two hours long words. I mean,

1463
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 3: but it adds up for sure.

1464
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 2: Dude, people I really like, I don't even want to

1465
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 2: talk to as much, you know, do you know what I'm

1466
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: talking about?

1467
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

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01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 3: I mean that's like a weird thing. And I guess,

1469
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 3: like I think maybe on like realizing scared of like

1470
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,680
Speaker 3: a digital age more than anything. It's like, I guess

1471
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 3: it's more like as you've like kind of talked about

1472
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 3: like the three relationship things and stuff like that, it's like, oh,

1473
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 3: like I just like want to see people in person,

1474
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 3: same I love digitally all the time.

1475
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love I love being around people. I

1476
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:44,879
Speaker 2: want to be around people all the time. It's talking

1477
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 2: to them that I'm that like, I'm all I I

1478
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: I like the whole ambivert thing. I feel that way

1479
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 2: about like talking to people, not necessarily being around them.

1480
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 2: I always want to be around them, but I only

1481
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 2: want to talk to them sometimes.

1482
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 3: See, I think that's the on mind, like as an extrovert,

1483
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 3: Like but I'm extroverted. I'm not gonna pretendly oh this

1484
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 3: or that, and like I just I do just even

1485
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 3: though I just said it can be Boston too, I agree,

1486
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 3: Like I just kind of want to yapp all the time.

1487
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 3: I don't want to never want to shut up.

1488
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 2: I Jimmy is yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

1489
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, but it's like kind of weird

1490
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 3: and like that digital age thing where it's like now

1491
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 3: like everybody's so connected all the time, but also like

1492
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 3: I would not connected at the same time, if that

1493
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: makes any sense, Like of course you're there and like

1494
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 3: readily available, but I don't know, I guess the non

1495
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 3: in person interaction sometimes just feel shallow.

1496
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: Well, the good news is, man, you can fucking you

1497
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 2: can go do whatever you want now. You don't have

1498
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: to wrong, the Internet is optional. You don't have to

1499
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: be on there, you just put your phone down.

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01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I feel some weird obligation to

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01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 3: like be a part of it, though, like I said,

1502
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 3: like I want to.

1503
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

1504
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 3: Like I I go through like wanting to delete my

1505
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,520
Speaker 3: Instagram all the time. That's the newest thing, and I

1506
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 3: don't entirely understand why, but I'm like, that's what I

1507
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 3: should do. I should.

1508
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: Are you you.

1509
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 2: Use like for do you use it for your job

1510
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 2: or to do literally anything productive whatsoever at all?

1511
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 3: No? If anything, it is unproductive.

1512
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: Deleted.

1513
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Yeah, why do you even have it?

1514
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: Just delete it?

1515
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, because it's another way of just trying

1516
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 3: to like stay connected with people, and that that's the

1517
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 3: part that uh appears me to get rid of him, Like, oh,

1518
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 3: you know.

1519
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: It's no, it's yeah, but it's not. No, it's not

1520
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 2: you're do you watch reels.

1521
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 3: More than I should? Right now?

1522
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely exactly, So you're not you're not actually connecting with anyone,

1523
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 2: You're just watching reels or like, no, it's stupid. You

1524
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: should totally delete it. I mean, I have mine deleted

1525
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 2: off my phone as much as I can, but then

1526
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 2: I'll watch reels and I hate. I hate watching reels.

1527
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's a stupid man, you don't you

1528
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 2: don't need it. If you if you feel like you

1529
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: need to get rid of it.

1530
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 3: Jimmy, I'm look, it took someone just saying if you're

1531
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 3: just watching reels.

1532
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 2: To lead it.

1533
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, You're.

1534
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:28,679
Speaker 2: Right, It's it's just it's just it's a waste of time. Jimmy,

1535
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 2: is there anything else you have to say to the

1536
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go?

1537
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 3: The biggest I would say, just you know, love your

1538
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 3: friends and stay connected with people.

1539
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jimmy, you have a good rest of the day.

1540
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: Dude.

1541
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 3: You two le I appreciate you got blessed brother.

1542
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 2: No man, uh, being around Like I said, being around

1543
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: people's great. It's the talking to them, like I sometimes

1544
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: they like having a one on one conversation with Like

1545
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: if I'm at like a Sometimes I'll be at like

1546
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 2: an event ors something and there's a bunch of people

1547
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 2: around and I'll really feel in my soul. I'm like,

1548
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: I like that I'm here right now. I don't want

1549
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 2: to talk to anyone here, And then someone will start

1550
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 2: talking to me and I'll be like, fuck, it's taking

1551
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: a lot of Like it depends, right, If I have

1552
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: a lot of energy, I'll talk to them. If I

1553
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of energy, I just start saying

1554
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. I just I have a crazy person personality

1555
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: that I'll default into when I don't have enough energy

1556
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 2: to act like a normal person. So I gotta be

1557
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 2: careful because I you know, I'll say some out of

1558
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: pocket shit randomly that I shouldn't. Uh So I don't know.

1559
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:49,839
Speaker 2: But also but also I don't. It's just some person

1560
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 2: like I don't like I could. I don't care. I

1561
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: could say I could say horrible things to like the

1562
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 2: CEO of Microsoft that makes them hate me, and what

1563
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 2: is he going to do to my life that matters?

1564
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: You know?

1565
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 2: So I don't. So it's not often that, like if

1566
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 2: I am at a party and I'm talking to someone,

1567
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 2: if I accidentally pissed them off, it's not often. It's

1568
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: not like that person is going to then them being

1569
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,719
Speaker 2: pissed off of me destroy my existence.

1570
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1571
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 2: I want to be a dick. I don't say anything

1572
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 2: to be like a dick, but I just I might.

1573
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 2: I might say something that someone else is like the

1574
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: cause I don't know if I like that guy's a

1575
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: little weird. But I won't like be mean to people

1576
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: or like rude. You know, I don't know. I don't

1577
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying anymore. Never goes off the line,

1578
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: taking your phone calls.

1579
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 1: Every night, never goes to his I's teaching you a

1580
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: loud and mean to be.

1581
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 2: He's not really an expert.