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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is not They.

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Speaker 3: Call me Ben. We're joined as always with our super

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Speaker 3: producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. We are digitally live here in

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Speaker 3: our studio at HQ in the fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice Friday, nice Friday, energy freezing cold, freezing cold,

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Speaker 3: I mean, says we.

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Speaker 4: You know, any listeners out there in like New York.

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Speaker 3: Of Philadelphia, get out of here. We're the talk of

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Speaker 3: a last Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We come from the land of the ice and snow,

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Speaker 4: you guys, babies, So.

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Speaker 3: We also love traveling. We were talking about what we're

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Speaker 3: doing this weekend travel plans as we approach the end

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Speaker 3: of what humans call the calendar year. Thought experiment. You guys,

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Speaker 3: if you had a chance to travel to your dream country,

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Speaker 3: just imagine whatever your dream country is. You don't have

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Speaker 3: to pay for the ticket. You've got a place to stay.

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Speaker 3: You don't even have to pay for food. However, instead

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Speaker 3: of asking for financial payment, your benefactors are saying, we

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Speaker 3: need you to do a different sort of compensation. We'd

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Speaker 3: like a little bit of crime.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, crime is the secret ingredient. I do a crime for.

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Speaker 3: All of that depends on the crime, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm open.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how salacious are we talking?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Like there's a gradient.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: If you were, for instance, offered this Fausti embargain and

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Speaker 3: they said you need to kill someone for us, a

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Speaker 3: lot of people would say, no, it's just complicated.

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Speaker 4: And depends on what kind of food we're talking about,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think, is it fancy? Is it fine dining?

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Speaker 4: I kill for a Michelin star?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, we're on record.

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Speaker 4: Yeah no no, no, no, no, no no no.

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Speaker 3: Also, I learned Michelin. Why Michelin is arguably corrupt. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's a future episode, but there are

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Speaker 3: no Micheline rated restaurants in New Orleans because New Orleans

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Speaker 3: hasn't invited Michelin, and they only go to cities where

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Speaker 3: they're vampire rules.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, we only just got Micheline Guide here in Atlanta.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, like this year.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I saw there's a there's a food

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Speaker 4: It may well also be there's like this this like

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Speaker 4: slightly downgraded demarcation called the bib gormand sort of like

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Speaker 3: So we walked down the street to let you know

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Speaker 3: a little bit about the inner workings of Michelan.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about the Michelin Guide to Crime.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's that's your dream country. That leads us to

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Speaker 3: tonight's episode, What would you do in the wide world

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Speaker 3: of crime Tourism? Here are the facts. All right, we

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Speaker 3: just got out of kind of out of an election

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Speaker 3: about it. It was somewhat of a deal. Yeah, somewhat

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Speaker 4: Crime well, Ben, I mean, you point out here that

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Speaker 4: according to the FBI, crime actually up during the Biden administration. I,

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Speaker 4: based on the rhetoric, really didn't know what to believe

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Speaker 4: because both sides were saying, you know, we made crime

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Speaker 4: A good day, because it's kind of like the spiritual

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Speaker 3: You know, exactly right, are you bullish on crime? Are

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Speaker 3: you bearish well? According to a guy named Jeffrey H.

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Speaker 3: Anderson writing for the Telegraph, it is correct the FBI

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Speaker 3: it rose during the Biden administration from five point eight

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Speaker 3: million what they call violent victimizations in twenty nineteen to

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Speaker 3: of all the factors driving crime.

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Speaker 4: Not to mention that the rhetoric of a political campaign

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Speaker 2: At face value. Think about what happened in those years

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, Sure, the giant lockdown COVID nineteen. Everybody is

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Speaker 3: Else, the proliferation of protest exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then then everybody's hanging out with each other again.

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Speaker 4: Hey, let's do some crimes.

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Speaker 3: Has forgot all the home training? Just walking in public

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Speaker 3: for anybody bud who has is personally struggling with navigating

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Speaker 3: the middle of anyone. No, walk to the right, pass

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do not slow down on the left ever. If

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Speaker 3: We will find you.

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Speaker 3: And if you stopped while you were listening to this

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Speaker 3: Don't make us come way. Okay, I got sorry, So

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Speaker 3: we know, do not come what dreams may come. So

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Speaker 3: We know that there seem to be, at least per

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Speaker 3: our buddy Jeffrey, there seemed to be a more pronounced

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Speaker 3: rise in urban areas, which is honestly likely just a

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Speaker 2: Especially in the cities where the ratio between have a

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Speaker 4: Is paraded in front of your face all the time

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Speaker 4: and you don't have that stuff, but you are forced

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nuts, and you can It really stands out

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Speaker 3: jeff He was the director of the Bureau of Justice

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Speaker 3: Statistics at the US DOJ Department of Justice for several years,

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Speaker 3: the American Main Street Initiative.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's cool. I like the idea of that, but

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Speaker 3: Which is why you hear these sort of one hand

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Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, how do you want to

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Speaker 3: Question? Oh yeah, exorcism related crime, yeah, those are on

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Speaker 3: to like you're saying the global scale again, we see

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Speaker 3: Yeah, meandmar laos Middle East, South America. We discussed these issues.

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Speaker 3: We also found even Bhutan got touched and noll. This

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Speaker 3: is from our show Ridiculous History sixty minutes just ran

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Speaker 3: a piece after us. All right, no happiness on people

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Speaker 3: leaving Bhutan for more opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Ah, okay, things are a little static. They're based entirely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, they're worried. They're worried about, you know, larger

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Speaker 3: regional instability. It's a huge factor in crime. And of course,

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Speaker 3: to point out you're probably going to see more crime

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Speaker 3: as widespread migration is triggered by climate disasters. Might happen

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Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy. What is crime tourism? This

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Speaker 3: It's what it sounds like, touring going as in going

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Speaker 4: Sure, haunted places, war zone, dangerous places, exactly.

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Speaker 4: It Thailand were talking about recently where there was literally

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Speaker 2: Well, and they're also individuals who are not on the

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Speaker 2: It's one big school of the Americas.

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Speaker 3: They do their homework.

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Speaker 4: They do their homework, and that they make sure that

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Speaker 4: But add up enough of them. You know, each individual

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00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 4: one might not be that, but add enough of them

440
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 4: and then send all that stuff back home.

441
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 3: You're talking serious money. And they're a morphous These groups

442
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 3: can pop up and disappear pretty easily. They're not all

443
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 3: created equal. There are different levels of expertise and especially

444
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 3: primarily due to how they set up their business model

445
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 3: and frankly, what their fences are willing to mess with. So,

446
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: for example, the FEDS were for a time and still

447
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: are intensely concerned with jewel thieves from Ecuador, Colombia and Peru.

448
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 4: Because they're small and they're valuably it's incredibly dense. It's

449
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,239
Speaker 4: a literal good bang for your buck, right, Yeah, the

450
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 4: FBI talks about it. You can read about on their website.

451
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 4: Special Agent Noel gill gil Hey shout out fellinol.

452
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 3: There you go. He says. He's speaking from Miami, where

453
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 3: he runs the South American Theft Group Task Force, and

454
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: he says, look, these guys do their homework. This isn't

455
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: a convenience store robbery or a corner store robbery. They

456
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: know to your point, Now, these guys are walking around

457
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: with a quarter million dollars, they're potential victims a half million,

458
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: even one million dollars in gems and jewelry because you

459
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 3: know what, like we said in the Epstein stuff, having

460
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: a bag of loose dime is just entering the wrong

461
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 3: kind of life. Absolutely, it really is. Yeah.

462
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 4: I mean it's like it's like you got the loose

463
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 4: diamonds and the different fake passports all on the secret drawer,

464
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 4: right right.

465
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Speaker 2: I always imagine if I've got, like, especially back in

466
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: the day, if I was walking around with like above

467
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars, oh, I felt like I was a target.

468
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 3: You're gonna say, felt like a real big shot.

469
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: Well yeah, oh it's both. So like I was scared

470
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: to carry around one hundred bucks for a long especially

471
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: when I was young, like first starting out with a

472
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: job and now like I'm imagining that the loose diamonds.

473
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: Back, it transforms your perspective. I could see young Matt

474
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 3: Frederick walking around with one hundred dollars bill and going,

475
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 3: I cannot trust the peasants.

476
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: I know.

477
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: And to that point, I'm always a little blown away

478
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 4: by some of these folks who just have the blingiest

479
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 4: of blings, you know, massive carrot in their ears. It's insane,

480
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: you know, and they do get got sometimes, yes, yikes.

481
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 3: I mean also, I don't know, you guys know, I

482
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: have a very trouble stance with jewelry in general. But

483
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 3: it's a physical revulsion, I believe. Yes, yeah, it's very

484
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 3: it's very serious. But uh but yeah, I always always

485
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: wonder that too, you know. And I hate to say it,

486
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 3: but when I hear a story of a prominent celebrity

487
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: who went to a wild party by themselves without security,

488
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: knowing they would run into someone that they either performatively

489
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 3: or sincerely have a problem with, and they managed to

490
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: act surprised, like, oh no, the guy I already hated

491
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: showed up with a gang and they robbed me God.

492
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: I just saw some videos an interview. I think I

493
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: may have been on the Breakfast Clubs, an interview with

494
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: some like ty Reese or somebody that's super famous and popular,

495
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: and he was just talking about how he never buys

496
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: actual jewelry anymore, like real diamonds. He buys it all

497
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: online for like one hundred bucks and it looks like

498
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: an iced out things real and it's because it kept

499
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: getting lost stolen, and he was just losing hundreds of

500
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars in jewelry every year because it just disappears.

501
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's just like I go on, and

502
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: I mean.

503
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: And again, arguably you could say the same thing about

504
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 3: other status symbols like really fancy wriskwatch exactly right, it's

505
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 3: just a different kind of jewelry. So this task group,

506
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: this FBI group hunting these jewel thieves, they've met with

507
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: some success, and it's mainly because they were doing things

508
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: that some nonprofit groups would have a big problem with.

509
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 3: They're getting informants, and their informants are saying, Okay, I

510
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 3: think it's you know, this guy might know something, and

511
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 3: then they say, all right, well, let's just find a

512
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: reason to arrest him. We don't have anything, any hard

513
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: evidence that will allow us to arrest them on suspicion

514
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: of being part of this international jewel heist crew. But

515
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 3: let's see if their visa is still current.

516
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: There you go.

517
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: It's kind of I don't know, it's controversial, but they

518
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 3: are getting results, and.

519
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 4: They're doing this in an effort to like have a

520
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 4: fishing expedition kind of the whole on them. They're leveraging

521
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 4: that hopes that maybe they can make a deal and

522
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 4: get some intel on the bigger picture one hundred percent.

523
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: But there is a serious visa loophole that we're going

524
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: to get into later in this episode that ends up throwing.

525
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: It puts a hamper on this tactic specifically because a

526
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: lot of times they were here fully illegally, yes, within

527
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: a very specific window.

528
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they catch them on they might even wait

529
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: until day ninety one, right, go, That's what I don't do.

530
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: But so we know. Also, it's not a new practice,

531
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: like you were saying, Matt, We've got the new term

532
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: for it. But the FBI believe some form of this tactic,

533
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: especially from South America, has been active since back in

534
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties, and they have they say, okay, here

535
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: are the four broad categories that help us or observations

536
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: that help us define what SATG is right.

537
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 4: They've been operating in the US for more than thirty

538
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: years and most members are here in the country illegally.

539
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: Many of the groups are made up of people from

540
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: the same place, not the same country, guys like the

541
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: same town, the same part of town.

542
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, the same neighborhood. And this is an advantage because

543
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: it means they have deep bonds, the very close knit

544
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: you know, the word for it would be clickish in

545
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 3: another in another way, which makes them extremely difficult to infiltrate.

546
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 3: That's where you start seeing kind of honeypot tactics being deployed.

547
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the friend the spouse enter into an amorous

548
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 3: situationship with day use that correctly. I think you did

549
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: okay with you know, with a mistress, a partner, a girlfriend,

550
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 3: a boyfriend, whatever it takes. That's how they bust in.

551
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: But even when they do get that infiltration, they get

552
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: that visibility and that information. The cruis are extremely mobile,

553
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: which means they can just ghost stuff's bad in Nassau

554
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: County Boom, hello, Birmingham. I think they look for the

555
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: most the wealthiest cities, so I don't if Birmingham makes

556
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 3: the list. Sorry.

557
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing about America, man, you go to

558
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: any city, there's at least a few there's going to

559
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: be a couple of little pockets of people that are

560
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: way too wealthy for that area. I mean, here in Atlanta,

561
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: well what we want to get into. But there's just

562
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: some places where you're just driving, everything feels normal and

563
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, you go, where the hell

564
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: am I.

565
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: Same in Birmingham. Actually, there's some parts of Birmingham, Alabama.

566
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: I lived there for a bit up in the hills

567
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: that looks like in like Alabama, Hollywood Hills.

568
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: Oh, very affluent area, even oh gosh, more rural areas.

569
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: When I was driving, I always try to drive back roads,

570
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: and it was heading up and back from Knoxville. I'm

571
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: not going to say where, but there were a couple

572
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: places in rural Tennessee where I thought, oh, this is

573
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 3: just a compound in the woods and it's opulent, and

574
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: I don't I'm sure that I am on camera driving

575
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: by this bro.

576
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: We did an episode on The Amish recently. We had

577
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: a great email from a listener talking about how they

578
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: are all about that money and they probably are hoarding

579
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: cash and have all of this crazy property and real

580
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: estate and livestock and stuff. I mean, even like the

581
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 4: homage are could be considered affluent af you know, by

582
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 4: some of these organizations. I wonder if there's been any

583
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 4: crime tourism into the Amish communities that we should look into.

584
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: The talk about tight knit.

585
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, not a lot of ps fives to loot

586
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: though a good point.

587
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, man. I would go for the I

588
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: would go for the live stock. I would go for

589
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: the horses. You get the right horse. Do you guys

590
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: know how much horse semen sells for?

591
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: Dude?

592
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 4: I think I maybe mentioned on the show once I

593
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 4: covered when I was working for public radio. I went

594
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: to a horse auction and it wasn't for actual horses,

595
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 4: it was for horse semen, and they went. I don't

596
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: even remember what it got.

597
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: It got.

598
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: It's just so much work to get it out of there.

599
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: You know you're doing it at the wrong way. Then

600
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: strengthen your wrist, buddy, Yeah, it's all about how you

601
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: get into the play. Like whatever the horse version of

602
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: Shahda is. You know, lights and candles so that's advice

603
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: from us. Yeah, there's also a lot of horse related

604
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: crime anyway, So we know that these groups have been

605
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: honing their game for decades now. The FBI has been

606
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: honing their game as well. There's a very complicated cat

607
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: and mouse situation afoot. If you do infiltrate these gangs,

608
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: you're gonna be using asymmetric means, and if they notice

609
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: that they got made, then they'll vanish to a different city.

610
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: And the entire time they're highly skilled. Shout out to

611
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: Operation Cut and Run, which is where the FBI had

612
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 3: to bust some of these jewel thieves were talking about earlier.

613
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: Right, And another case is you'll see automobile theft, violent assaults,

614
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: all the hits. The patterns do seem to really be

615
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: quite similar across various groups. You might have someone breach

616
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 4: the border without documentation, but a lot of times you'll

617
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: see someone else entering legally with a visa just to

618
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 4: overstay it until they get apprehended. But to your point, Matt,

619
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 4: sometimes there are also examples of people taking advantage of

620
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: legal loopholes.

621
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, do we want to talk about the visa thing

622
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: for a little bit.

623
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's get into that. This is something we

624
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: learned when we talked about a very specific crime tourism

625
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: ring that was broken up back in August of twenty twenty.

626
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: Four, the car rental guys.

627
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: And it's the car rental guys. Okay, well, let's get

628
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: into this really quickly. The FBI, in partnership with a

629
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: huge task force out in California, made a pretty massive

630
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: bust back in August of twenty twenty four of a

631
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: crime ring that included sixty two criminal cases, one hundred

632
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: and thirty defendants who got named in those cases, and

633
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: six hundred search warrants that ended up getting acted upon.

634
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: And so it's a pretty big network they get. And

635
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: it was all based around this car rental company ran

636
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: by this guy named Juan Carlos Sola Duran and it

637
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: was called the Drive Power Network.

638
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: Okay, and his girlfriend was the partner.

639
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: Yes, like ten years younger than him at the time.

640
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: They were the ring leaders essentially, is what was thought

641
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: at least through that time, and all.

642
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: The perfect term, by the way, because when you think

643
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: of like a ring leader, this is a criminal kind

644
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 4: of ring, like a small close knit group that are

645
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: infiltrating a larger system and taking advantage of it.

646
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: Even the financial and criminal passage is a ring because yeh,

647
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 3: he goes back to Chile, the people go back to Chiles,

648
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: and a lot of these guys are from Chile.

649
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's actually something we should point out.

650
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: This.

651
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: A lot of this reporting that at least we did

652
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: in that Strange News episode was about this Chilean group

653
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: and that's where some of the terminology came from. And

654
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: so this car rental company existed right in the United States,

655
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: run by a group of people. What would happen is

656
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: they would scout homes like individual homes, and they would

657
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: find out when people are on vacation, when people's schedules

658
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: are basically them away from the house, and they would

659
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: send in folks would come from Chile on a special

660
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: type of visa. Yes, this is the loophole that we

661
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: were talking about before, and Ben, this is the e

662
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: s TA visa or the Electronics System for Travel Authorization visa,

663
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: which allows anybody to come into the United States for

664
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: ninety days if you are from specific countries.

665
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: And a really Latin America.

666
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: Well, and I would imagine given the temperature of policy

667
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 4: where things are headed right now, things like this are

668
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: likely going to be attempted at least to be phased out. Well,

669
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: I don't know, I wonder, I just want it's because

670
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 4: it's tough. It's tough to figure out a fair way

671
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 4: to stop that, like to plug that loophole without punishing

672
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: innocent people. Right, it's true, but it does seem like

673
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 4: the incoming administration doesn't care so much about punishing innocent

674
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: people if they're not from here in the first place.

675
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: It just seems like the attitude is all.

676
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to listen back to this

677
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: in a year.

678
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: Yes, So just to finish this out, guys, this this

679
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 2: specialized program which is a part of the visa waiver program.

680
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: Right, so you're not actually getting a visa.

681
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: Exactly right, It's not really a visa. It is this

682
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: specialized esta automated system where you can come in for

683
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: business or travel for ninety days. You don't actually get

684
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: a visa. It's almost like, I mean, you do have

685
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: to fill out paperwork.

686
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to. You have to be in the

687
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: system somehow. But a lot of other countries also do this.

688
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: Their main thing is that time limit. Yes, after ninety

689
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: days a government will start to say so what are we.

690
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 2: What is what are we doing here?

691
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: I mentioned the whole you know, attitude towards this kind

692
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 4: of stuff because I seem to remember when there was

693
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: a conversation about the Haitian immigrant population, right, a lot

694
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 4: of them work here on some sort of special you know,

695
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: kind of visa, short term visa like this, and there

696
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 4: was a lot of talk from the right, you know,

697
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 4: saying this, they shouldn't have been here in the first place,

698
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: et cetera. These types of loopholes need to be closed.

699
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just how do you close them in a

700
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: fair and equitable way. We also know, just for like

701
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 3: more global comparison before you get back to the United States,

702
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: the United States is notoriously difficult to immigrate to in

703
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: the first place. The lottery system is just kind of

704
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: whack it do, to be honest. But the but the

705
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 3: thing we have to remember is that other countries, we're

706
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: in a glass planet situation. Other countries are very difficult too.

707
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: If you land in the United Kingdom, I think they

708
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 3: still do this, Like you fly into Heathrow and they

709
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 3: don't just want you to prove who you are and

710
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: to pass customs and all that you have to give

711
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: them a specific address of where you're staying, so they

712
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: know that you just.

713
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: Don't win, because then it's like, how can they even

714
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: track you down anyone?

715
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: Right? Uh, oh, he's at a red roof in somewhere. Now,

716
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: red roof in, that's my address.

717
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember the dude who wrote on his

718
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: application that he's here to steal jewels and maseratis. Yeah,

719
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: but no worries. He's at the red roof Now he's one.

720
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: It's cool school, it's cooled. So just to finish that

721
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: part up, they come in through this specialized visa program.

722
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: Once they're in, they if they are like a part

723
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: of this group or if they know about this specific

724
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: car rental place, they would go there, get a luxury

725
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: vehicle and it may be a little older, but it's

726
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: still a Mercedes, like an eight Mercedes or something. So

727
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: they can take that vehicle into the upscale neighborhoods and

728
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: blend in right, park that vehicle on a side street.

729
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: They've got well, they don't have to scope anything out,

730
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: and they've got a target that they're going for.

731
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: Correct, It's like what would you do for a free trip? Exactly?

732
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: So they go in, they toss the house, get the

733
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: important things, and in best case scenario, they get out

734
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: before the homeowner or anyone even knows they were there.

735
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: Best case scenario for them.

736
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. But so for this thing to

737
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: function the way it is supposed to according to everyone

738
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: in that's how it works. But the way that they

739
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: actually end up getting caught is several homeowners like this

740
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: one guy that they describe in the press conference, came

741
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: home and he as he's arriving back home from the

742
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 2: grocery store, he sees an idling like luxury suv right

743
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: outside his home, walks into his house. As soon as

744
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: he looks at it, he realizes his whole house has

745
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: been tossed and two guys are coming out just trying

746
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: to leave through the front door where he's standing.

747
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah whoa.

748
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: He manages to tackle one of the guys and subdue him.

749
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 2: That guy gets arrested, the other guy gets away in

750
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: the suv. But through interrogation of the guy that he stopped,

751
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: they put some of these pieces together and they realized, oh,

752
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: this is this isn't just a one off.

753
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: This is like a thing I would imagine. It's probably

754
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: a bit of a no no as well for them

755
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 4: to like murder the homeowners.

756
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not good for business, like the and the

757
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 3: reason too. Before it sounds like we're just picking on

758
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: Chilean nationals, because they did find the vast majority of

759
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: the folks in this situation in Ventura County were Chilean

760
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: at least the operators. They had a great system, nice car,

761
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: but not too nice so you can blend in with

762
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: the fancy neighborhood doing too much violence. First off, it's

763
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: a trigger right for local law and then also the

764
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: federalies when somebody does get caught. That gives law enforcement

765
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: the opportunity to go back and look at seemingly unrelated

766
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: crimes and notice the commonalities in terms of mo and

767
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: in terms of how wait do you guys notice the

768
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: same car rental company is popping up and all of

769
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: these things just in the footnotes of the investigation.

770
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: I know. Well, then they sent undercover agents into that

771
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: rental place to try and get cars, and they were

772
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: turned away and they're like, oh no, you're not on

773
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: the list based special lists.

774
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Then we talked about in our Strange News segment.

775
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: Then we talked about how similar it is when you

776
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: walk into a restaurant that's clearly a front and they're

777
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 3: just sort of surprised that you want a pizza from

778
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: the pizza place.

779
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: You're gonna order the lobster.

780
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: Right, And you never know if it's a code, like

781
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 3: have you just asked to be disappeared out to the

782
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: remote Pacific Northwest? Yeah?

783
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 4: Like the vacuum cleaner stay exactly.

784
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. And with this we're seeing, we're seeing this bigger

785
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: pattern at play. What do you think should we take

786
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 3: a break for a word from our sponsors and find

787
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 3: out more about these Chile and grime rings? I think

788
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 3: we might Okay, good because if you said no, I

789
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 3: don't know what we would have done. And we have

790
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: returned all right. So why Chile? Why is Chile often

791
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: the origin point for a lot of these grifts. Well,

792
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: it's because Chile is the only country in Latin America

793
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 3: where you might not even need an ESTA. If you're

794
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: from Chile, you automatically get a ninety day tourist visa.

795
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, is that? Though? What's our coziness with Chile?

796
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: Have you ever been? No? It's cool, man, sure.

797
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: But why do we care like as a country, like,

798
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 4: why are we giving them a pass in this way.

799
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might go back to the Pinochet regime, right,

800
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: the US was in bed with that. Yeah, it's it's difficult.

801
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. But they have this, they

802
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: have this exception. And again, this is not a dang

803
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: on the good people of Chile. If you've been there,

804
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 3: it's it's a beautiful place. The capital is amazing. It's

805
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,919
Speaker 3: a weird looking country too, because you know you're trying

806
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: to strip. It's just that one side of the mountain range.

807
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: We should go to Chile after this episode.

808
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: I don't have a picture of Peru in my head.

809
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: Is Peru similar along the side or is that? Is

810
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: that just Chile? Am I just completely?

811
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: Chile is the one that's deaf, the one Chili is

812
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: so weirdly thin and long that you might not even

813
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: clock it on map. Yeah, let's see, let's you zoom in.

814
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: Sorry, I just I have to blow my map because

815
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: I like my brain. You guys have. I don't know, Ben,

816
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: I know you have a mind for geography.

817
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: I do not just fake credit there.

818
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude, totally yep, Okay, I see what you're

819
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: talking about.

820
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: Ben, Chile will stretch across like if we laid it

821
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: across the Atlantic. It would connect Europe and the US.

822
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: That's insane.

823
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 3: I mean it's so narrow, but it's so narrow. Yeah.

824
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: So anyway, we know there are multiple factors leading to

825
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: this exception, and the US has a lot of bilateral,

826
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: one to one kind of relationships with countries. We were

827
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,959
Speaker 3: talking about that brief time for about a year when

828
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: the US was temporarily okay.

829
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: With Cuba, right and then not again?

830
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: Did not another another toxic relationship, you know what I mean.

831
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 3: Cuba needs to have an alert on their phone that says,

832
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: don't text the US back.

833
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: It's complicated.

834
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, even if you've had a couple of drinks, don't worry.

835
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 4: I think I mentioned that my kid and their mom

836
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 4: during that very brief window got to bop over to

837
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 4: Cuba for a minute, and that you.

838
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: Almost went yeah yeah. Uh. We were just looking at

839
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: that because we were trying to figure out just in

840
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 2: talking without looking it up, like how long was Cuba opened?

841
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 4: Because months?

842
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: Right, But it made such an impact the moment that

843
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: it was open and we were all everybody was like,

844
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: oh wow, it's open again, and it was what do

845
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: we say? It was like May to June. Yeah, So

846
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: May and then wrapped around the year to June.

847
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 3: Okay, so a little over comparatively very short when those

848
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: kind of decisions get made, and even stranger for it

849
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: to be rescinded.

850
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 4: What led to the rescending They just weren't playing nice

851
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: with the I mean like, I just like it's just

852
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 4: just in such a big move and then to walk

853
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: it back they had been done something.

854
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: The Trump administration.

855
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that makes a little bit of sense. There

856
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 4: was sort of a xenophobic mentality maybe would lead to

857
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: walking those kinds of things back.

858
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe security concerns too, but it's yeah, Havana syndrome

859
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: as well. Shout out to O'Brien's still number one person

860
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: to talk to you with that. We should ask him

861
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: about that, And if you hang out with Jackie Miles,

862
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 3: ask them as well.

863
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 4: Havana Nana and Jonathan Strickland, which and Jonathan Strickland from

864
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 4: Tech Stuff and brain Stuff.

865
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: We might talk to him about it soon.

866
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: Forward thinking and ridiculous history, ridiculous history. Oh yeah, we're

867
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: big fans of the quist are there? So anyway, because

868
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 3: of this, it's not that criminals in Chile are necessarily

869
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 3: super villains or any smarter than the average cad than

870
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: the Americas. It's because they have the opportunity to exercise

871
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff.

872
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 4: Oh and these are a they're very nature crimes of opportunity,

873
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 4: even outside of this right, Yeah, crimes of outside of

874
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 4: this loophole.

875
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well prepared opportunity. There's a great article in Vanity

876
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: Fair came out just a couple of years back. A

877
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: journalist named Mark Wartman starts tracing out another example of

878
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: this complex cat and mouse game when he goes to

879
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: Nassau County and speaks with Detective Jeseus Baniya, who is,

880
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: as this journalist interviews him, he is in media arrests

881
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: in the middle of a multi month attempt to catch

882
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: this master burglar crew for a person for people strong.

883
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, this seems I mean wow, talk about insulated.

884
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 3: That's where it feels like everyone has their speciality. There's

885
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 3: a bagman, the back man, yeah, of course, and and

886
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: there's the there's the getaway driver. There's probably like.

887
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 4: I think it's got you gotta lead foot, buddy, what

888
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 4: in a good way? In a good way. It's a complement.

889
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 4: You're a badass driver.

890
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: I think it means is.

891
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 4: Bobbin and weaving.

892
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: Bro, We'll get you some fingerless gloves I'm in and

893
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: a badass scorpion jacket, yes, which I do have. Uh,

894
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 3: And then we need a face, and then we would

895
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: need Dylan.

896
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: You're the face.

897
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: Well, Dalan, give me the face as well. Dylan's well,

898
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 4: that's true, but I could totally see you. You know what,

899
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 4: you can rochambo for him?

900
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 3: So what's better than one face too?

901
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: So the face?

902
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: They called him the Janics crew. So anyway, this guy,

903
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: but he he has identified the leader of this high screw,

904
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: a guy named Brian Herrera Maldonado. And this person is

905
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: a kid. He's twenty four years old.

906
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: Crazy, twenty four years old. He is one of the

907
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 4: most wanted burglars in the New York City metro area.

908
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: We're talking about Nasau County, guys. This is Maldonado.

909
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also kaching right, average incomes so high

910
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 3: that no one's going to correct their pronunciations.

911
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: Well, and Mania told the writer from Vanity Fair that

912
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 4: the gang came from South America specifically to commit crime,

913
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 4: and they did a real good job. They were very

914
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: good at doing crimes.

915
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, breaking into at least one hundred homes across the country,

916
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: not the county. The gang made off with cash, jewelry, electronics, wristwatches,

917
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 3: designer clothes, handbags, you know, red bottom shoes, whatever, from

918
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 3: straight up mansions, the kind of places that are known

919
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 3: to have their own like private security or the kind

920
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: of places where I will be sensitive about saying this,

921
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 3: the kind of places where nine to one one shows

922
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: up on time.

923
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: That's true, yep.

924
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: And they still they got away with it because, like

925
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: you were saying, there, they've got great observation skills. They

926
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: case a joint just like you would see in a

927
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 3: crime film. They don't just know when someone's away from

928
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: their domicile, you know, for how long? Yeah, how far

929
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: away have they traveled? Where they're at?

930
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. What is their window? You always say, Ben,

931
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 4: and I completely agree. Don't be a dumb dumb don't

932
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: post about where you are on vacation. No, and for

933
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 4: how you know what I mean? That's that's privileged information

934
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 4: that can absolutely be actionable by people trying to.

935
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: Do you harm. Yeah, that's why. And you see it

936
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: with celebrities too, That's why. Usually what a or often

937
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: when a celebrities social media manager posts something it's after

938
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: it is after exactly. Yeah.

939
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: I tend to do that as well, you know, save

940
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 4: up some things and then post it when I get home.

941
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 4: But I do. Sometimes I'll post a little story if

942
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: I'm on a trip, but it's usually there's someone home still.

943
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go, people sitting right, Yeah.

944
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you guys remember the story we did in

945
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: Strange News about the hidden camera across the street. Yeah,

946
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: it was found. It was they just put it down

947
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: some leaves. Basically, somebody riding a bike just dropped it

948
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: and then left.

949
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 4: And then that was for casing of joints.

950
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: Right, it appears that that's what it was. Casing a

951
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: joint to find out that information you're talking about when

952
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: they leave, when they come back, all that stuffes.

953
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: That requires a long game of observation. Yes, to have

954
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 4: good data that is actually able, and it's so easy

955
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 4: to do that.

956
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 3: You could drop a camera with a pedestrian, with someone

957
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: on a bike, that's a little tougher depending on how

958
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: public the thoroughfare is, like how likely a stranger is

959
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: to be there. That's what makes the cult is actifficult,

960
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: for instance, Boom. But another way around that is just

961
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: something that looks like a work van. Another thing that's

962
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: very easy, just get some kind of pizza company's brand

963
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: and just temporarily affix it to a car. It's like, no,

964
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: he's supposed.

965
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: To be here.

966
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 4: It is funny too, because these are very similar tactics

967
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 4: to what might be used by the FBI in case

968
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 4: like a Rico type situation, you know, like in the Sopranos.

969
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, these folks learn from each other, They

970
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: take the methods that the other sides using that works,

971
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: and then they do it.

972
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 4: Dude.

973
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: And speaking of that, one other thing, just connecting these

974
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 2: strange news stories, the other one about the robbery crew

975
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: that was going through or the burglary crew that was

976
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: going through with devices that can disable the Wi Fi cameras.

977
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: So like if you did have sophisticated folks like Maldonado's

978
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 2: gang that had some kind of tech where just wherever

979
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: they roam, they're gonna you know, none of the cameras

980
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 2: are gonna function properly. That's pretty dangerous.

981
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 4: Because your home camera system is on your Wi Fi

982
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 4: and if it's not protected, you know, in a pretty

983
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 4: robust way, someone can very easily get access to all

984
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 4: of that stuff.

985
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: And it's also not to scare anyone, but check on

986
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: your your internet security because it's also stupid easy. It

987
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: is trivial to find those devices or even make them

988
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: on your own if you like cool weekend projects.

989
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: Exactly what's that little tiny device called the flipper flippers zero.

990
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: Which is like a thing that you can buy.

991
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: I get ads for that everywhere I go online. Now

992
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, hey, don't you want a couple of weeks?

993
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: Well, also, that's an all in one toolkit, but it is.

994
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: What's the legal justification for the existence or something like

995
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 4: that as a project?

996
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 3: Penetration testing testing, That's exactly what it.

997
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 4: Was, thank you.

998
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's also anybody in that kind of field

999
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: or an enthusiast for that stuff will point out the

1000
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: Flipper is someone overpriced and it doesn't do any It

1001
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: has more toys than usual in the same device, but

1002
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't do anything you couldn't well.

1003
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: You couldn't do just with a little bit of know

1004
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 4: how in a laptop.

1005
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, with the right equipment, Yeah, with the right

1006
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 3: radio equipment. So anyway, check out our episodes on that stuff.

1007
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,720
Speaker 3: Bania says. Maldonado's gang is bigger than this one county.

1008
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: He says. The activities are bigger than even Maldonado's gang.

1009
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 3: They go, yeah, these four guys go around the country,

1010
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: but then this crew is just one of dozens that

1011
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: he's chasing every year because it works like selling. Yeah,

1012
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: or you could, you know, you could even do a

1013
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: kind of three card monte of internet travel and say, Okay,

1014
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: I don't want to come, yeah, I don't want to

1015
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: get clocked for some reason going straight from Chile to

1016
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 3: the US. So maybe I go to a second country

1017
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 3: for a second, and then I come in from there,

1018
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 3: and I'm just on the way back to Chile, you know,

1019
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: and thought I might stop out and see the Statue

1020
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: of Liberty or maybe upstate New.

1021
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 2: York, because you're still a Chilean citizen, right, so you

1022
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: come on right in.

1023
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: And now you just happen to be walking by the street.

1024
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: And surely they're not traveling with this ill gotten booty

1025
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 4: on their persons. They're shipping it, they're smuggling it in

1026
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: some other ways, or they're like fencing it even in

1027
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 4: the country before they.

1028
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 3: Get back, fencing in the country. Sending the money, because

1029
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 3: sending the money below certain thresholds, Like we're talking about,

1030
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 3: sending the money is usually going to be easier than

1031
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: sending the tangible object. Absolutely, you steal the Lamberg declaire

1032
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, right, They are going to ask you, Yeah,

1033
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 3: you can't just have loose Lamborghinis.

1034
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 4: They sink ships.

1035
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 3: Apparently, yes, so loose diamonds, loose Lamborghini And he's that's

1036
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: the kind of stuff customs will look twice at. Oh yeah,

1037
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: you know, not that we've been in that situation, but

1038
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: you can find similar stories in cities across the United States.

1039
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: There's the story from twenty twenty two when San Diego

1040
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: neighborhoods were rocked by this proliferation of pro level, high

1041
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: end burglaries. And the weird thing is the detective in

1042
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 3: that case, Justin Cole, is pretty much saying the same

1043
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: stuff that Detective Bonia is saying. A continent away.

1044
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: Yep, hmm, he had this to say. The intelligence says

1045
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: they're primarily Chilean nationals. They're coming here on a tourist

1046
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 4: visa program. They're involved in all types of crimes, not

1047
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 4: just residential burglaries. They do pickpocket crime, break into vehicles,

1048
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 4: steal credit cards, anything. They can do to make as

1049
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: much money as possible before they go back. And again,

1050
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 4: it's quotes like this that would make it really easy

1051
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: for someone to be like, they're exporting their criminals, they're

1052
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 4: coming into our country, all of that, and interpret this

1053
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 4: in some sort of xenophobic kind of way. But I

1054
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 4: think it's important to remember that the reporting and the

1055
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 4: people who have been caught, that's what we're talking about here.

1056
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: But we do know, as you mentioned, Ben, this is

1057
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 4: coming from all kinds of parts of the world. This

1058
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 4: is an old tactic, more than thirty years old. Oh yeah, yeah,

1059
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 4: it very much is. And look, there were more than

1060
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 4: sixty burglaries in the San Diego County alone by twenty

1061
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: twenty two. They were all linked to a single group,

1062
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 4: and they all happen in the fancy pants neighborhoods. And

1063
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 4: just like the other detectives, Detective Cole sees a larger

1064
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 4: pattern at play and is starting to say, hold on,

1065
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 4: why does this match similar burglaries in southern California? Hang on,

1066
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 4: why does this match stuff in the Midwest. Imagine that

1067
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 4: stomach dropping moment when you keep going east and you

1068
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: keep seeing this. It's this matching m right, like the

1069
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 4: types of victims being selected, the types of the way

1070
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 4: that they're casing the joints, etc.

1071
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we saw in here it's den for Colorado, Houston, Texas,

1072
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 2: like literally all across the United States.

1073
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 4: Would you guys agree with when of course we're talking

1074
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 4: about like if you're rich like this, maybe you have

1075
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 4: private security and all that, but there is sort of

1076
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 4: in certain parts of the country there's maybe a little

1077
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 4: bit of blissful ignorance around these types of situations where

1078
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, we're untouchable because we're in the safe neighborhood.

1079
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 4: So that's why I kept saying these feel like crimes

1080
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 4: of opportunity because there are people who maybe aren't expecting

1081
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 4: to get robbed, or there isn't that crime element that

1082
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 4: already exists in these parts of the country.

1083
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: And then there are the other questions about level of sophistication.

1084
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 3: Have these crime rings, like other crime rings, evolved to

1085
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 3: the point where they can take request which can happen

1086
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Speaker 3: right if you have the right defense.

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Speaker 2: Some celebrities got hit and I think and we oh

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Speaker 2: when we talked about before it was footballers.

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Speaker 3: In the UK. Yes, there's some great articles about that.

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Speaker 3: Those in some cases those maybe South American nationals suspected,

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Speaker 3: but then are also the Eastern Europeans.

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Speaker 4: M hmmm, yeah, and Abanians.

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Speaker 2: But it's so true. It is that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: You notice somebody that has a lot of wealth or

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00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: flaunts wealth a little bit, and they just get on

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Speaker 2: a bunch of different radars. You just have to get

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Speaker 2: on the wrong radar.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, and the other, which is why I never

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Speaker 3: tell anybody your financial stuff ever, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: There's always someone out there waiting to take you down

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00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 4: a peg, you know, and you just don't want to

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Speaker 4: be a mark.

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Speaker 3: Don't be a mark. Don't make yourself a mark. Don't

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Speaker 3: mark yourself. Another question about the sophistication and the capabilities

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Speaker 3: here would be have they have these rings? Some of

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00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: them evolved to the point where they have their own

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Speaker 3: internal rubric, like have they case something and then stepped

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Speaker 3: away because they thought, yeah, yeah, which I think is

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Speaker 3: I think that speaks to intelligence.

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Speaker 4: Intelligence patience, right, Yeah, it is a high level of

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Speaker 4: long game kind of cons right.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if anybody listening who's in law enforcement

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00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: related fields, obviously this is a high level of view.

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Speaker 3: But you'll already see how tricky this becomes. Even once

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Speaker 3: someone is apprehended. As we like to say, down here,

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00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 3: one monkey doesn't stop the show, right, the complex interactions,

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Speaker 3: the laws from multiple countries along with deportation or extradition policies.

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Speaker 3: This is a mountain of paperwork, right, and people are

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 3: already overworked, especially going back to that bilateral thing. The

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Speaker 3: US has different bilateral agreements with all kinds of countries

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Speaker 3: extradition type stuff, right, right, right, you know it's there's

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Speaker 3: a case recently. I don't know if we'll get to

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Speaker 3: it next week. This this guy had been discovered. Like

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Speaker 3: we're talking about faking your death or pseudo side. This

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00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 3: guy had been discovered after faking his death entirely to

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Speaker 3: ghost his family. He manufactured a kayak accident. He's living

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Speaker 3: in Uzbekistan and there's no way they're going to get him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I won't tell you exactly where I

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Speaker 2: am and I'm not coming home.

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Speaker 3: But it's definitely beist. By the way, Like, the US

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00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 3: is very good at finding people across the world, but

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00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 3: usually we'll play by international norms unless they think someone's

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00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: a high value target and they're willing to take the

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Speaker 3: geopolitical hit.

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Speaker 4: As soon as Bekistan, the who Borat hates.

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00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 3: Because he's from Kazakhstan.

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00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then talking trash about thebex potassium.

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Speaker 3: I would love to go to Zbekistan. The stands are

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00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: tough though, seriously, But anyway, and you know, we see

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Speaker 3: how it's difficult to stamp this out. You're playing whack

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00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: a mole, right with people who can disappear, with moles

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00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 3: that can disappear at any time. So I gotta tell you,

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00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, guys, but I think it's

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00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: pretty unlikely that this grift will end anytime soon due

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00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: to the difficulty of plugging that loophole.

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Speaker 4: We'll just change it up.

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00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they'll just change it up. They'll just modify

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00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 3: the tactics. And you know, I love the point we

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00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: made earlier when we talked about how this can be

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00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 3: red meat for maybe bad faith actors, but immigration. We've

1151
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 3: got to remember the vast number of immigrants, not just

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: in the US but everywhere in the US, in particular,

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00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: documented or undocumented. They're not criminals. They're moving because not

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Speaker 3: necessarily because they want it to, because they have to, right,

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00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 3: And I think that's important. Please keep that mind in

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00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 3: our future episode on the Darien Gap. We are going

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00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: to do that right, yes, okay, hopefully, And there's no

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00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 3: proof that immigration creates crime. Sorry, that's just that's part

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00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: of it, at least here in the US.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the people we're talking about here are on a

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00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 2: mission to do crime right. It is not These are

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00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: not tourists. Actually, these are not actually people who are

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00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: coming over for work. They're literally coming over for the crimes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the crime is their work, right, and then they

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01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have long time plans to settle down and

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Speaker 3: live in the US. They're getting the bag and then

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01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 3: they're going back and its shift change and someone else

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01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: comes in.

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Speaker 2: It just goes straight into one of those international banks

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Speaker 2: we've talked about that is really good at looking the

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Speaker 2: other words.

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Speaker 4: Criminal friendly, yes, non judgment whomever those banks may be.

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Speaker 3: Folks. Also, before we end, you know, this is usually

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Speaker 3: when we say we want to hear your thoughts. We

1175
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: know there's a very sensitive issue to a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: We know this touch is on deep conspiracy and crime,

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Speaker 3: and we know that people have probably had personal interactions

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01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 3: with some level of this, whether via law enforcement or

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Speaker 3: someone diasper. You know, before you do any of that

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Speaker 3: before we close tonight, we wanted to take a moment

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Speaker 3: and remember our our leader for a long time, the

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Speaker 3: founder of How Stuff Works, Marshall bringing the Third.

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01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just got news that he passed away this

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01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: week as we're recording, and we had not we had

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01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: not heard that our boss, who also you know who

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Speaker 2: has been our boss, gosh since two thousand and six,

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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. She just texted us as we're recording.

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Speaker 2: It's just really sad.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I never met the guy, but I mean

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Speaker 4: from the moment that I walked in the door at

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Speaker 4: How Stuff Works, the guy I just absolutely loomed large.

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Speaker 4: And we did have him on an episode one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a part of the future of life

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01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 3: on Mars.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. But I know for y'all, I mean,

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Speaker 4: he was a staple in the office for for a

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Speaker 4: long time.

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Speaker 3: Oh gosh, we have I appreciate that. We have so

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Speaker 3: many stories which just absolutely adored and looked up to

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Speaker 3: mister Brain. As a matter of fact, the only problem

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Speaker 3: I ever had with uh with Marshall Brain was that

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01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: he didn't he didn't officially get the PhD to be

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Speaker 3: doctor Brain. And I spent years in this opportunity. I

1204
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 3: spent years trying to convince him how cool that would be.

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Speaker 3: But brilliant man, renaissance man, so much about everything and

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01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: will be will be sorely missed. He's the reason we're

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Speaker 3: doing this now.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I'm sure a lot of people who met

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Speaker 2: him through he's a professor at North Carolina University.

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01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 3: In North Carolina State.

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Speaker 2: North Carolina State, And yeah, I'm sure his students. Anybody

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Speaker 2: who's somehow interacting with him probably remembers.

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Speaker 3: That dude, he's the one who taught us the world

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01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 3: is both understandable and worth understanding.

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Speaker 2: Yeap.

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Speaker 4: Hats off to you, Marshall brain.

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Speaker 3: And hats off to you fellow listeners, fellow conspiracy realists.

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