Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Thursday, June twenty sixth, and the
Speaker 1: prosecution just took four hours and fifty minutes to give
Speaker 1: its closing argument in the Diddy trial. And welcome to
Speaker 1: this second Ditty Update edition of Amy and TJ. Rose.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you first about that, just the timing
Speaker 1: on They said they were going to need maybe four hours.
Speaker 1: It's almost five. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, And that is a big difference when you're a
Speaker 2: juror sitting there listening to one prosecutor, Christy Slavic, go
Speaker 2: through painstakingly detailed evidence and can you imagine what that
Speaker 2: would be like. They did get a lunch break, so
Speaker 2: that I'm sure was helpful, but then you get a
Speaker 2: little sleepy with all the food you just ate.
Speaker 1: Oh here, I'm just saying to.
Speaker 2: Go four hours seemed long to me already. And then
Speaker 2: to say so she announced, and it was written all
Speaker 2: the court reporters, you know, put out in a start
Speaker 2: saying the prosecution says it needs another hour. Can you
Speaker 2: imagine what the jurors felt when they heard that?
Speaker 1: Wait, do I have it right? It was so they
Speaker 1: started at ten this morning, so she got two hours
Speaker 1: lunch break, two hours they took a little break, and
Speaker 1: that's when she came back and.
Speaker 2: Said, I need another hour.
Speaker 1: That's tough. That was a tough one to see. And look,
Speaker 1: we don't have the advantage here. I am not familiar
Speaker 1: with this prosecutor. I think most people in the country
Speaker 1: are not so Christy Slavic. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: How does she deliver? Does she speak like a quiet librarian?
Speaker 1: Is she very loud? Is she very entertaining a lot
Speaker 1: of historyonics? And how she presents That's.
Speaker 2: Interesting because you're right, we don't get to watch it.
Speaker 2: We don't get to hear it. We can only read
Speaker 2: her written words, so we don't know if she's animated
Speaker 2: and engaged and interesting and a good storyteller. I think
Speaker 2: most lawyers at that level, if you have that position,
Speaker 2: have to have some performance capabilities to them. You know,
Speaker 2: people say you should have been a court room lawyer,
Speaker 2: like you could have been a court room lawyer. TJ.
Speaker 2: What now, Oh, I've always thought.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah you could.
Speaker 2: I actually think you would have been a good prosecutor
Speaker 2: really on that side of things, Yes, I do know.
Speaker 2: I think you would have been an excellent prosecutor going.
Speaker 1: After the bad guys. Doesn't feel like something I would do.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I thought you said that feels good. Oh no,
Speaker 2: after the bad guys, but you would be great. No,
Speaker 2: but there I think there is an always in a
Speaker 2: good prosecutor, in a good attorney, there is some theatrics.
Speaker 1: So we have no idea how this went about. And
Speaker 1: again it can if you listened to one voice for
Speaker 1: five hours a lot, and also going through things and
Speaker 1: not necessarily interesting. Well, it's all the stuff supposed to
Speaker 1: be interesting, but telling a weaving a story, and hey,
Speaker 1: this goes with this, and make sure you put this
Speaker 1: together here and then you must find I don't know,
Speaker 1: that's uh. I am curious to know how the I
Speaker 1: didn't get a good reading from any of the reporters.
Speaker 1: Maybe you did of how the jury seem to be doing.
Speaker 2: I did not. And I maybe they're not allowed to
Speaker 2: talk about the jurors reaction and their faces while listening
Speaker 2: to an attorney, because then we would get a read
Speaker 2: on what they were thinking or feeling about the prosecution
Speaker 2: versus the defense. I don't know, because I haven't seen
Speaker 2: one report.
Speaker 1: See I think back now, and the times they've refer
Speaker 1: to the jurors have been about someone had to turn
Speaker 1: their eyes away from a screen, or they didn't look
Speaker 1: at a video, or they turned they have meant right,
Speaker 1: they have.
Speaker 2: But I did not see any reporting about how the
Speaker 2: jury was handling or reacting to this long delivery of
Speaker 2: a yes, a closing argument by the prosecution. Now, Christie
Speaker 2: Slovic took the jury through each charge that Ditty is facing.
Speaker 2: One count of racketeering conspiracy, two counts of sex trafficking
Speaker 2: demanding that both Cassie and Jane had to have sex,
Speaker 2: and then two counts of transportation to engage in prosecution.
Speaker 2: And we know the Ditty is facing with all of
Speaker 2: these charges life in prison.
Speaker 1: So Christie Slavic, the prosecutor, spent most of the first
Speaker 1: part of the day. We did that in part one,
Speaker 1: kind of went over that the racketeering conspiracy, going through
Speaker 1: what it takes to convict him on that. But the
Speaker 1: sex trafficking roll she spent the last part of the day.
Speaker 1: So this had a lot to do with Cazie, had
Speaker 1: a lot to do with Jane. So you have to
Speaker 1: prove this point sex trafficking. You point this out. I
Speaker 1: missed it in the earlier note, but made the point
Speaker 1: to the jury like confess to the jury. Yes, not
Speaker 1: every freak off was sex trafficking. That was important to note.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. So yeah, she said, some of
Speaker 2: them they were happy to be there, and there was uh,
Speaker 2: there was no coersion, and so she said, but there
Speaker 2: were specific instances. One of them, of course, was where
Speaker 2: we saw that tape in the hotel. Correct. Yes, so
Speaker 2: that night specifically, she said, was absolutely sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: The point there, and this is now, this is a
Speaker 1: very simple way to put it. Sex trafficking is forcing
Speaker 1: someone through it could be through violence, it could be
Speaker 1: through any other coersion to participate in a sex act.
Speaker 1: We I saw her being beaten and dragged to go back,
Speaker 1: we're told now to a sex party. And that is
Speaker 1: the textbook definition laid out for is for sex trafficks.
Speaker 2: She also named the moment or the instance of Cassie's
Speaker 2: birthday when she, in front of all of her friends,
Speaker 2: wanted to go and stay at her birthday party. Instead,
Speaker 2: he forced her to go and leave her own birthday
Speaker 2: party to go and then have a freak out. So
Speaker 2: that was another time. And then there was a third
Speaker 2: time where there was a male escort Daniel I think
Speaker 2: was his name, and he said Daniel Phillips.
Speaker 1: I believe why do we know mail As?
Speaker 2: I actually just can't believe that just rolled right. We
Speaker 2: know Daniel Phillips. Sorry, So he said that amazing. Did
Speaker 2: he wanted to go again? She said no. He pulled
Speaker 2: her into the other room, he heard slapping and screaming
Speaker 2: and punching, and said go back and do it again.
Speaker 2: And the only reason why it didn't happen again is
Speaker 2: because after Daniel Phillip witnessed that, he well, he couldn't
Speaker 2: get it up. But the prosecutor said, hey, just because
Speaker 2: it was cut short, you still had a witness seeing.
Speaker 2: Did he force Cathy to do something against her will
Speaker 2: with the threat and the actual experience of violence.
Speaker 1: That we all saw, Yes, and they did. They played that.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be surprised, but yes, they played that video
Speaker 1: that's surveillance video from the hotel for the jury again
Speaker 1: today is a part of the closing argument. So that
Speaker 1: is something again they're going to have in their minds,
Speaker 1: seried in their mind I don't know how they get
Speaker 1: it out of their minds at any point during this
Speaker 1: during this trial. But that's like go into the jury
Speaker 1: room with that, and again they've gotten five hours. I
Speaker 1: don't know if there's a limit to how much they'll
Speaker 1: have for a rebuttal in this case.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know, I don't think there is
Speaker 2: a limit. I think that the prosecution can know that
Speaker 2: if they actually pushed too much, perhaps that might upset
Speaker 2: the jury. So yeah, I'm sure they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2: But who knows exactly how long they'll meet. But I
Speaker 2: think it might depend on what they feel they need
Speaker 2: to rebut what they hear from the defense. The other
Speaker 2: issue that Christye Slovok focused on what transportation to engage
Speaker 2: in prostitution he's facing did. He is facing two counts
Speaker 2: of those, but they have to prove that he knowingly
Speaker 2: transported an individual in interstate or foreign commerce intending for
Speaker 2: that person to engage in prosecution.
Speaker 1: That's the actual legal yes, that's the actual legally yes
Speaker 1: for it. But again, piecing all that together, that seems okay.
Speaker 1: It seems simple to a late person, right, you are
Speaker 1: not permitted to pay someone to cross state lines or
Speaker 1: to travel for the purpose of having sex for money, correct,
Speaker 1: and not allowed to do that. So it seems that
Speaker 1: they do have a long list of receipts. Yes, thou
Speaker 1: him doing just that. So how is that not a
Speaker 1: no brainer?
Speaker 2: It seems like it would be. And she also pointed
Speaker 2: out Christy Slavic to the jurors that just because even
Speaker 2: in some of these instances, if Cassie or if if
Speaker 2: Jane were totally willing to participate, if the male escorts
Speaker 2: were totally willing to participate, their willingness to perform the
Speaker 2: sexual acts does not change the illegality of Ditty paying.
Speaker 1: For the acts. And so that was kind of.
Speaker 2: Like a oh an aha moment that she pointed out
Speaker 2: to the jury. So even in some of those freak
Speaker 2: offs where everybody was there because they wanted to be there,
Speaker 2: it still didn't make Ditty not culpable for the illegality
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if that seems again, layperson, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: tomorrow we're gonna hear from their defense attorney and they're like, duh,
Speaker 1: that's not prostitution at all.
Speaker 2: No. I can't wait to hear that though, because I've
Speaker 2: still yet to hear how that isn't prostitution.
Speaker 1: But you remember, we had a point at the trial
Speaker 1: where we were going through all this stuff and we
Speaker 1: were like, wow, Wow, Wow, the prosecution, prosecution, prostitution is
Speaker 1: nailing it. Then we got into some cross examinations like
Speaker 1: wait a.
Speaker 2: Minute, right, I mean what makes watching a trial so
Speaker 2: fascinating because you find yourself I mean absolutely, For the
Speaker 2: first few weeks of this trial, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: did he is going to prison for the rest of
Speaker 2: his life? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I couldn't believe
Speaker 2: what I was reading. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: when the events really started going, I really think from
Speaker 2: that Perry Mason moment on, I started to go.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, I don't know this trial. I don't know how
Speaker 1: and oh, look at that sweet text. So oh she
Speaker 1: planned that freak call. Yeah, it's just it. It's the top,
Speaker 1: the highest form, and this is reality drama. This is
Speaker 1: real stuff. We are following a reality show. We can't
Speaker 1: even see, right, That's how he could have.
Speaker 2: Like a fireside chat back in the day. We have, no,
Speaker 2: we have some courtroom sketches, but that's it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The other thing that we heard the prosecutor bring up
Speaker 2: with was this notion we heard this through the trial
Speaker 2: that Diddy attempted to obstruct justice so once Cassie then
Speaker 2: Toura Fine had her civil lawsuit out there, they claim
Speaker 2: he panicked, he got his boy d it's a d Rock. Yes,
Speaker 2: I knew that, and I hesitated.
Speaker 1: I'm his real name.
Speaker 2: I don't know Amy, and I think that's a hard
Speaker 2: one to forget.
Speaker 1: But now d Rock and KK, how are they not
Speaker 1: all a part of the same trial. They make it
Speaker 1: sound like they should be co defended.
Speaker 2: I need to actually, yes, it's weird that they aren't
Speaker 2: charged if they're a part of all of this. But anyway,
Speaker 2: d Rock calls, according to the prosecution, calls Mia and
Speaker 2: basically it's like, hey, you know, puff was always like
Speaker 2: that with cass you know, like they just fought like
Speaker 2: normal couples. And she immediately thought what is going on?
Speaker 2: And the prosecution said, hey, just remember they were calling
Speaker 2: people who they knew might be called in any form
Speaker 2: or fashion to be a witness to testify, and they
Speaker 2: were trying to placate them, they were trying to manipulate them,
Speaker 2: they were trying to obstruct justice. So that was another
Speaker 2: big point she wanted to make for the jurors.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're making him sound in that instance,
Speaker 1: I guess it's important talk about that because an innocent
Speaker 1: person doesn't do.
Speaker 2: That correct exactly. It's the cover up sometimes that get
Speaker 2: you more than the crime itself. And so just to
Speaker 2: show that they were trying to go ahead and clean
Speaker 2: everything up and cover all of their bases, showed that
Speaker 2: they knew they had done something wrong or he had
Speaker 2: done something right.
Speaker 1: They've been focused in today as well, And I was
Speaker 1: you and I were going back and forth on this
Speaker 1: about can you have a criminal this enterprise and have
Speaker 1: this free co charge if the people who also are
Speaker 1: around you aren't also willing participants, knowing participants in the crime. Right,
Speaker 1: he has somebody go get him baby oil. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that person is a part of a criminal enterprise.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what the baby oil is for, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't know that or some of the drug running.
Speaker 1: But they focused a lot today on KK and d Rock.
Speaker 1: KK and d Rock these are folks of his inner
Speaker 1: circle who are part of keeping people quiet, planning a
Speaker 1: freak off. So they're built. They've made more of a
Speaker 1: case today why d Rock and KK are certainly maybe
Speaker 1: those are the only who we need now to be well, yes,
Speaker 1: co conspirators.
Speaker 2: So they were co conspirators. But then you remember earlier
Speaker 2: in the day in the morning session, Christie Slavic did say,
Speaker 2: even though the other folks you just described as foot soldiers,
Speaker 2: even though they didn't know a crime was being committed,
Speaker 2: when they were doing these tasks that they were supposed
Speaker 2: to do, and for fear out of losing their jobs,
Speaker 2: they did them anyway. They said that still was a
Speaker 2: part of the enterprise that they were discussing. Some people knew,
Speaker 2: but some people didn't, and that didn't mean that it
Speaker 2: still wasn't all a part of this enterprise.
Speaker 1: This is incredible that we've gotten now to this point
Speaker 1: of the trial. It's been seven so they've had seven
Speaker 1: weeks and now five hours. The defense took thirty minutes
Speaker 1: to present its case, and now we'll see how long
Speaker 1: they decided to take with And I don't know that
Speaker 1: of his the lead attorney, his lead attorney is doing
Speaker 1: the close.
Speaker 2: I believe Mark, it's an Angelou. It's an Italian last
Speaker 2: name that I can't say Mark, but.
Speaker 1: We can't remember right exactly.
Speaker 2: But they too said that they need about four hours,
Speaker 2: and of course that obviously is not something that's black
Speaker 2: and white we'll see how far they go and how
Speaker 2: long they go. And I'm sure they might be recrafting
Speaker 2: what they're going to say after they heard from the prosecution.
Speaker 2: But this was a note I read court reporters describing
Speaker 2: once everyone left the courtroom, did he stayed back with
Speaker 2: his attorneys, and they described they were watching the defense
Speaker 2: team after hearing the prosecution give their last final push
Speaker 2: to the jurors. They said the mood was light, there
Speaker 2: was even some laughter, and it seemed as though they
Speaker 2: were in good spirits after they heard what the prosecution
Speaker 2: had to give for their closing arguments. I thought that
Speaker 2: was really interesting because they weren't performing. The jury was gone,
Speaker 2: the public was gone. Just one reporter said, they kind
Speaker 2: of stood around and was just kind of watching to
Speaker 2: see how the team was reacting and just interacting, and
Speaker 2: so it didn't seem as though it was a performance.
Speaker 2: They it seemed as though they were pleased with how
Speaker 2: things went today.
Speaker 1: What was it did you see as well? I was
Speaker 1: surprised yesterday at the jury charge conference where the attorneys
Speaker 1: and the judge were going through jury instructions, jury wasn't
Speaker 1: in the room, said he. At one point he was
Speaker 1: so chill. He took his shoes off, Yes, I read
Speaker 1: that under the table and Hisses was playing with his
Speaker 1: feet and he was just so relaxed at the table.
Speaker 1: What is happening right now?
Speaker 2: So that was what happened yesterday. And then I saw
Speaker 2: this morning, and I had talked about this in part one,
Speaker 2: but this morning, when the jury first came in, they
Speaker 2: said he looked very different than that guy who had
Speaker 2: his shoes off, chilling in the court when he was
Speaker 2: rubbing his palms. But perhaps it seems as if they
Speaker 2: or as they watched the prosecution give their closing arguments,
Speaker 2: his mood shifted back to maybe where it was yesterday.
Speaker 2: He seemed chill, relaxed, and light was the word they used.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if the defense pulls another I
Speaker 1: don't know they've had time. They will probably make a
Speaker 1: major presentation. I would be surprised that they get up
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, we're good. We don't need
Speaker 1: any time for this. Oh no, nobody.
Speaker 2: They need to have this is there, This jury is there,
Speaker 2: like this is them talking directly to the jurors. Do
Speaker 2: not convict our client. He didn't do anything illegal, or
Speaker 2: he didn't do anything what he's being charged with. They're
Speaker 2: not saying he didn't do anything illegal. They're actually saying
Speaker 2: they're copying to the fact that he was by bad
Speaker 2: he was a bad guy, that he was using drugs,
Speaker 2: that he was addicted to drugs, all of those things.
Speaker 2: So they're saying, yeah, he made some bad choices and
Speaker 2: he did some illegal things, but he didn't do what
Speaker 2: the prosecution says he did.
Speaker 1: This case is fascinating. He has confessed to several crimes,
Speaker 1: none of them he's been chuged with. That's wild. That
Speaker 1: is wild in some variation. I guess they say it
Speaker 1: falls under all day it's just oh yeah, yeah. And
Speaker 1: again what we just talked about the and a reminder
Speaker 1: the the Prostitution Show, We're I keep getting this mixed
Speaker 1: up roads in front of us transportation to engage in prostitution.
Speaker 1: That is the one that only goes a maximum ten
Speaker 1: years in prison. Correct, So two counts transportation to engage
Speaker 1: in prostitution a maximum of ten is he gonna get
Speaker 1: a max?
Speaker 2: Who knows? And he'll get credit for time served with
Speaker 2: whatever charges. If he's convicted of any of these charges,
Speaker 2: he'll get yeah, probably around that A year sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the one that one's the minimum to fifteen for.
Speaker 1: So there's two counts the minimum of fifteen years, and
Speaker 1: then the racketeering conspiracy that's the one could get up.
Speaker 2: To life in prison. So it is interesting again to
Speaker 2: note that the mood was light at the defense table
Speaker 2: after the prosecution prosecution finished its closing argument.
Speaker 1: Hey, look, quote, this is why we usually don't do
Speaker 1: too did the update today because at this point of
Speaker 1: the day we have been up since two three in
Speaker 1: the morning. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2: Yes, if you actually we probably will end up in
Speaker 2: the same boat tomorrow on Friday and at the end
Speaker 2: of the week, getting up that early and then staying
Speaker 2: up all day following this, it actually might be a
Speaker 2: comedy podcast hearing us try to speak at the end
Speaker 2: of that very long day of this very long week.
Speaker 2: But if you've made it to the end, thank you
Speaker 2: for listening to us, and we will be back with
Speaker 2: you tomorrow and we'll do our best not to mess
Speaker 2: up how to pronounce things and stuff like that. Bye.