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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Thursday, June twenty sixth, and the

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Speaker 1: prosecution just took four hours and fifty minutes to give

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Speaker 1: its closing argument in the Diddy trial. And welcome to

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Speaker 1: this second Ditty Update edition of Amy and TJ. Rose.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you first about that, just the timing

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Speaker 1: on They said they were going to need maybe four hours.

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Speaker 1: It's almost five. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, And that is a big difference when you're a

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Speaker 2: juror sitting there listening to one prosecutor, Christy Slavic, go

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Speaker 2: through painstakingly detailed evidence and can you imagine what that

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Speaker 2: would be like. They did get a lunch break, so

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Speaker 2: that I'm sure was helpful, but then you get a

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Speaker 2: little sleepy with all the food you just ate.

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Speaker 1: Oh here, I'm just saying to.

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Speaker 2: Go four hours seemed long to me already. And then

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Speaker 2: to say so she announced, and it was written all

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Speaker 2: the court reporters, you know, put out in a start

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Speaker 2: saying the prosecution says it needs another hour. Can you

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Speaker 2: imagine what the jurors felt when they heard that?

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Speaker 1: Wait, do I have it right? It was so they

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Speaker 1: started at ten this morning, so she got two hours

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Speaker 1: lunch break, two hours they took a little break, and

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Speaker 1: that's when she came back and.

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Speaker 2: Said, I need another hour.

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Speaker 1: That's tough. That was a tough one to see. And look,

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Speaker 1: we don't have the advantage here. I am not familiar

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Speaker 1: with this prosecutor. I think most people in the country

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Speaker 1: are not so Christy Slavic. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: How does she deliver? Does she speak like a quiet librarian?

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Speaker 1: Is she very loud? Is she very entertaining a lot

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Speaker 1: of historyonics? And how she presents That's.

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Speaker 2: Interesting because you're right, we don't get to watch it.

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Speaker 2: We don't get to hear it. We can only read

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Speaker 2: her written words, so we don't know if she's animated

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Speaker 2: and engaged and interesting and a good storyteller. I think

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Speaker 2: most lawyers at that level, if you have that position,

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Speaker 2: have to have some performance capabilities to them. You know,

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Speaker 2: people say you should have been a court room lawyer,

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Speaker 2: like you could have been a court room lawyer. TJ.

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Speaker 2: What now, Oh, I've always thought.

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah you could.

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Speaker 2: I actually think you would have been a good prosecutor

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Speaker 2: really on that side of things, Yes, I do know.

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Speaker 2: I think you would have been an excellent prosecutor going.

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Speaker 1: After the bad guys. Doesn't feel like something I would do.

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Speaker 2: Oh see, I thought you said that feels good. Oh no,

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Speaker 2: after the bad guys, but you would be great. No,

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Speaker 2: but there I think there is an always in a

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Speaker 2: good prosecutor, in a good attorney, there is some theatrics.

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Speaker 1: So we have no idea how this went about. And

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Speaker 1: again it can if you listened to one voice for

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Speaker 1: five hours a lot, and also going through things and

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Speaker 1: not necessarily interesting. Well, it's all the stuff supposed to

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Speaker 1: be interesting, but telling a weaving a story, and hey,

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Speaker 1: this goes with this, and make sure you put this

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Speaker 1: together here and then you must find I don't know,

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Speaker 1: that's uh. I am curious to know how the I

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Speaker 1: didn't get a good reading from any of the reporters.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you did of how the jury seem to be doing.

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Speaker 2: I did not. And I maybe they're not allowed to

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Speaker 2: talk about the jurors reaction and their faces while listening

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Speaker 2: to an attorney, because then we would get a read

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Speaker 2: on what they were thinking or feeling about the prosecution

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Speaker 2: versus the defense. I don't know, because I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: one report.

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Speaker 1: See I think back now, and the times they've refer

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Speaker 1: to the jurors have been about someone had to turn

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Speaker 2: But I did not see any reporting about how the

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Speaker 2: a yes, a closing argument by the prosecution. Now, Christie

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Speaker 2: Slovic took the jury through each charge that Ditty is facing.

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Speaker 2: One count of racketeering conspiracy, two counts of sex trafficking

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Speaker 2: demanding that both Cassie and Jane had to have sex,

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Speaker 2: and then two counts of transportation to engage in prosecution.

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Speaker 2: And we know the Ditty is facing with all of

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Speaker 2: these charges life in prison.

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Speaker 1: So Christie Slavic, the prosecutor, spent most of the first

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Speaker 1: part of the day. We did that in part one,

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Speaker 1: kind of went over that the racketeering conspiracy, going through

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Speaker 1: what it takes to convict him on that. But the

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Speaker 1: sex trafficking roll she spent the last part of the day.

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Speaker 1: So this had a lot to do with Cazie, had

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Speaker 1: a lot to do with Jane. So you have to

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Speaker 1: prove this point sex trafficking. You point this out. I

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Speaker 1: missed it in the earlier note, but made the point

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Speaker 1: to the jury like confess to the jury. Yes, not

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Speaker 1: every freak off was sex trafficking. That was important to note.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. So yeah, she said, some of

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Speaker 2: them they were happy to be there, and there was uh,

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Speaker 2: there was no coersion, and so she said, but there

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Speaker 2: were specific instances. One of them, of course, was where

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Speaker 2: we saw that tape in the hotel. Correct. Yes, so

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Speaker 2: that night specifically, she said, was absolutely sex trafficking.

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Speaker 1: The point there, and this is now, this is a

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Speaker 1: very simple way to put it. Sex trafficking is forcing

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Speaker 1: someone through it could be through violence, it could be

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Speaker 1: through any other coersion to participate in a sex act.

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Speaker 1: We I saw her being beaten and dragged to go back,

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Speaker 1: we're told now to a sex party. And that is

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Speaker 1: the textbook definition laid out for is for sex trafficks.

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Speaker 2: She also named the moment or the instance of Cassie's

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Speaker 2: birthday when she, in front of all of her friends,

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Speaker 2: wanted to go and stay at her birthday party. Instead,

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Speaker 2: he forced her to go and leave her own birthday

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Speaker 2: party to go and then have a freak out. So

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Speaker 2: that was another time. And then there was a third

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Speaker 2: time where there was a male escort Daniel I think

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Speaker 1: I believe why do we know mail As?

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Speaker 2: I actually just can't believe that just rolled right. We

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Speaker 2: know Daniel Phillips. Sorry, So he said that amazing. Did

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Speaker 2: he wanted to go again? She said no. He pulled

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Speaker 2: her into the other room, he heard slapping and screaming

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Speaker 2: and punching, and said go back and do it again.

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Speaker 2: And the only reason why it didn't happen again is

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Speaker 2: because after Daniel Phillip witnessed that, he well, he couldn't

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Speaker 2: get it up. But the prosecutor said, hey, just because

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Speaker 2: it was cut short, you still had a witness seeing.

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Speaker 2: Did he force Cathy to do something against her will

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Speaker 1: That we all saw, Yes, and they did. They played that.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't be surprised, but yes, they played that video

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Speaker 1: that's surveillance video from the hotel for the jury again

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Speaker 1: today is a part of the closing argument. So that

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Speaker 1: seried in their mind I don't know how they get

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Speaker 1: room with that, and again they've gotten five hours. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if there's a limit to how much they'll

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I know, I don't think there is

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Speaker 2: a limit. I think that the prosecution can know that

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Speaker 2: if they actually pushed too much, perhaps that might upset

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Speaker 2: the jury. So yeah, I'm sure they know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: But who knows exactly how long they'll meet. But I

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Speaker 2: think it might depend on what they feel they need

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Speaker 2: to rebut what they hear from the defense. The other

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Speaker 2: issue that Christye Slovok focused on what transportation to engage

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Speaker 2: in prostitution he's facing did. He is facing two counts

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Speaker 2: of those, but they have to prove that he knowingly

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Speaker 2: transported an individual in interstate or foreign commerce intending for

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Speaker 2: that person to engage in prosecution.

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Speaker 1: That's the actual legal yes, that's the actual legally yes

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Speaker 1: for it. But again, piecing all that together, that seems okay.

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Speaker 1: It seems simple to a late person, right, you are

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Speaker 1: not permitted to pay someone to cross state lines or

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Speaker 1: to travel for the purpose of having sex for money, correct,

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Speaker 1: and not allowed to do that. So it seems that

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Speaker 1: they do have a long list of receipts. Yes, thou

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Speaker 1: him doing just that. So how is that not a

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Speaker 2: It seems like it would be. And she also pointed

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Speaker 2: out Christy Slavic to the jurors that just because even

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Speaker 2: in some of these instances, if Cassie or if if

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Speaker 2: Jane were totally willing to participate, if the male escorts

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Speaker 2: were totally willing to participate, their willingness to perform the

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Speaker 2: sexual acts does not change the illegality of Ditty paying.

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Speaker 1: For the acts. And so that was kind of.

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Speaker 2: Like a oh an aha moment that she pointed out

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Speaker 2: to the jury. So even in some of those freak

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Speaker 2: it still didn't make Ditty not culpable for the illegality

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if that seems again, layperson, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: tomorrow we're gonna hear from their defense attorney and they're like, duh,

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Speaker 1: that's not prostitution at all.

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Speaker 2: No. I can't wait to hear that though, because I've

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Speaker 2: still yet to hear how that isn't prostitution.

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Speaker 1: But you remember, we had a point at the trial

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Speaker 1: nailing it. Then we got into some cross examinations like

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Speaker 2: Minute, right, I mean what makes watching a trial so

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Speaker 2: fascinating because you find yourself I mean absolutely, For the

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Speaker 2: first few weeks of this trial, I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: did he is going to prison for the rest of

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Speaker 2: his life? Oh?

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Speaker 1: My god.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, I don't know this trial. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: and oh, look at that sweet text. So oh she

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Speaker 1: planned that freak call. Yeah, it's just it. It's the top,

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Speaker 1: the highest form, and this is reality drama. This is

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Speaker 1: real stuff. We are following a reality show. We can't

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Speaker 1: even see, right, That's how he could have.

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Speaker 2: Like a fireside chat back in the day. We have, no,

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Speaker 2: we have some courtroom sketches, but that's it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that we heard the prosecutor bring up

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Speaker 2: Toura Fine had her civil lawsuit out there, they claim

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Speaker 2: he panicked, he got his boy d it's a d Rock. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I knew that, and I hesitated.

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Speaker 1: I'm his real name.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Amy, and I think that's a hard

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Speaker 2: one to forget.

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Speaker 1: But now d Rock and KK, how are they not

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Speaker 1: all a part of the same trial. They make it

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Speaker 1: sound like they should be co defended.

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Speaker 2: I need to actually, yes, it's weird that they aren't

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Speaker 2: charged if they're a part of all of this. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: d Rock calls, according to the prosecution, calls Mia and

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Speaker 2: basically it's like, hey, you know, puff was always like

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Speaker 2: And the prosecution said, hey, just remember they were calling

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Speaker 1: They've been focused in today as well, And I was

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Speaker 2: So they were co conspirators. But then you remember earlier

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Speaker 1: This case is fascinating. He has confessed to several crimes,

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