Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily. But we're not slipping all over
Speaker 1: the field. I'm Greg Rosenthal here to talk about a wild,
Speaker 1: weird game in Brazil between the Packers and the Eagles.
Speaker 1: The Eagles come out on top, thirty four to twenty nine.
Speaker 1: And yes we are live on YouTube, and I'm so
Speaker 1: lucky today to be joined by Adam Lefgo of TNT,
Speaker 1: fame host of the NBA on TNT, also host of
Speaker 1: The Mountain West. Catch him in the studio on Saturday
Speaker 1: with some Idaho Wyoming. He does the big podcast with Shaki.
Speaker 1: Does it all, but most importantly, he's also a football guy.
Speaker 1: I know this, and he's an Eagles fan. A lot
Speaker 1: happened in that game, Adam, Just how are you feeling
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: I think the thing that I'm ill wrestling with is
Speaker 2: as the Eagles were on the one yard line, you know,
Speaker 2: Greg texts me and he's like super excited, man. And
Speaker 2: then as that happens, they fumble the snap. And I
Speaker 2: would have blamed all of this on Greg Rosenthal. I
Speaker 2: am that superstitious of a fan. I think for me,
Speaker 2: like the big, big, big takeaway is for that to
Speaker 2: be a home game for the Eagles in a place
Speaker 2: where both teams were green and you're not allowed to
Speaker 2: wear green, and the field was an absolute mess, so
Speaker 2: much so that like a field judge if you remember,
Speaker 2: it was getting like his ankle taped in the second
Speaker 2: quarter and how that ended with Jordan Love, And I
Speaker 2: hope he's okay. I understand that now in a PowerPoint presentation,
Speaker 2: the NFL can say we've played a game in South America.
Speaker 2: I just have to ask, when do we start going
Speaker 2: is this worth it? Because that listen, man, I'm pumped.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I know we want world
Speaker 2: domination and we want to conquer all the continents. But
Speaker 2: I hope he's okay. I really hope Jordan Love's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So look, if if you weren't an Eagles fan and
Speaker 1: there wasn't so much crazy stuff happening in that game,
Speaker 1: that's obviously that the way we would start.
Speaker 3: We'll get to all the craziness in the game.
Speaker 1: Because again, like I've never been to you know, Carnival before,
Speaker 1: of course, but I happen to a lot of Marty
Speaker 1: Gras in New Orleans, and that game kind of was like.
Speaker 3: Like a Marti Gras. It was just like sloppy. It
Speaker 3: was fun, but it was dumb.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of scoring, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of slipping and falling. How how far can I take this?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I'm really gonna remember, although that
Speaker 1: was true until the Jordan Love moment at the end. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and so he was helped off the field on the
Speaker 1: second to last or third to last play of the game,
Speaker 1: really heads up play from him.
Speaker 3: They had no timeouts left.
Speaker 1: He was setting up to possibly throw a hail Mary
Speaker 1: and he was about to get sacked, and he lateral
Speaker 1: the ball to Josh Jacobs, who got out of bounds
Speaker 1: and gave them a couple more plays, but his knee
Speaker 1: got twisted. It looked like by Jalen Carter on that
Speaker 1: play he looked to be in a lot of pain,
Speaker 1: although when he got up walked off the field, was
Speaker 1: on the sideline and then helped to this you know,
Speaker 1: the locker room after. I don't know, I just don't
Speaker 1: want to guess. I've been in too many of these situations,
Speaker 1: and it's just when people hear this, they might already
Speaker 1: know what the answer is.
Speaker 3: So just we just hope that that doesn't.
Speaker 1: Ruin an NFL team that we want to watch for
Speaker 1: even a couple of weeks or certainly longer than that,
Speaker 1: we won't know. But yeah, Malik Willis, who casuals might
Speaker 1: not realize they just traded for to be their backup quarterback,
Speaker 1: came in and he got sacked at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. Actually, to feel a little happier just about
Speaker 1: the whole situation, let's listen to the last play of
Speaker 1: the game by NBC's Noah Eagle.
Speaker 2: Here, here's the ball game final three seconds from Brazil,
Speaker 2: Willis slips, Willis.
Speaker 3: Steps up, goes down game ender. Who else but Zack
Speaker 3: bah What a day?
Speaker 2: The linebacker seals it and the Eagles, in this battle
Speaker 2: of heavyweights, start the season with a win.
Speaker 3: Was who else but Zach Bond?
Speaker 1: I will remember that well, fifteen tackles, two sacks. I've
Speaker 1: got some friends who now do that. The Saints block
Speaker 1: party podcasts, who have been They've been talking about the
Speaker 1: bonfire the rise of Zach Bond for years, waiting for
Speaker 1: it to happen. The Saints just gave him chance after
Speaker 1: chance after chance. They never knew how to use him.
Speaker 1: They kind of use him as an edge rusher, and
Speaker 1: now he's an off ball linebacker, and Howie he's gonna
Speaker 1: have some misses and some wins this offseason. He looks
Speaker 1: like a win because that's been a problem position for them,
Speaker 1: and he was a monster tonight.
Speaker 2: He didn't even know who he was going to be used.
Speaker 2: At his introductory press conference with the Eagles, he said,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to finally be an edge rusher, and
Speaker 2: now he's out there at middle linebacker. That's one of
Speaker 2: the big story lines. I had a bunch written down
Speaker 2: beforehand that I was paying attention to. One, No, Devin
Speaker 2: White doesn't make the trip, how does Nakobe Dean do
Speaker 2: after two years of barely playing? And Zach Bond. I
Speaker 2: thought both played very well. Obviously they let up some
Speaker 2: big plays, but they also made some big plays. Nakobe Dean,
Speaker 2: like the Eagles, had two plays one the Nacobe Dean
Speaker 2: picked six that he just dropped. Green Bay scores later
Speaker 2: on that drive Darius Sleigh force to fumble, green Bay
Speaker 2: recovers it. They then score again on that drive. So
Speaker 2: it was a lot of missed opportunities. I thought with
Speaker 2: both teams. I thought Jordan Love had some wide open receivers.
Speaker 2: Whether that was slipping from him or slipping from the receivers,
Speaker 2: both in the end zone and just driving. Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: made some throws one that was really bad red zone interception,
Speaker 2: a few that were on the sideline where you're sitting
Speaker 2: there going what are you even looking at? As you
Speaker 2: texted me, it was a very week one game, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if you were trying to allude to this.
Speaker 2: It kind of was like the bird Been Street of
Speaker 2: first games in terms of like your people are slipping
Speaker 2: and falling in their drinks. You look up and you're like,
Speaker 2: whoa those people are partying. Then you see, like the
Speaker 2: greatest someone does a backflip. It very much was like
Speaker 2: where am I right now? Where is Bryce Huff right now?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I would love for him to
Speaker 2: show up. I was texting with Jason Kelcey during the game.
Speaker 2: We were both very impressed with Mackay Becton and just
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Let's stop right there. You regularly text with Jason Kelcey
Speaker 1: and the.
Speaker 2: Friends with the Kelsey's before they got like really big,
Speaker 2: and so now that they're like hanging out with Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift and doing commercials for Hellman's, I can still. I
Speaker 2: can still hit them up. But yeah, I'm also just
Speaker 2: sitting there going, man, I wonder what Jason thinks about
Speaker 2: Makai Becton right now. That's the key is I only
Speaker 2: text them.
Speaker 3: We're on it.
Speaker 1: Give us some Kelsey nuggets, Like what was he thinking
Speaker 1: about this offensive line?
Speaker 3: It's like they were blocked.
Speaker 1: I'm not a guard expert, but it seemed like they
Speaker 1: were running behind Beckden pretty effectively tonight.
Speaker 2: They were, And he was saying that the tandem of
Speaker 2: him and Cam Jurgens, he was very impressed with. I
Speaker 2: was also texting right when the Eagles offense thought they
Speaker 2: got an off sides and then I think hurts through
Speaker 2: the I int and so that's when we stopped communicating.
Speaker 2: But he said, he said, other than the first the
Speaker 2: fumble in the beginning, which was bad, and the pick
Speaker 2: in their own zone, the offensive line really gelled after that.
Speaker 2: I think he was impressed.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: I will speak for the Packers fans or the others
Speaker 1: that are listening hearing Kelsey talk up Cam Jurgens and
Speaker 1: point out like they had two failed touch pushes and
Speaker 1: they fumbled the ball and he had an early snap
Speaker 1: to Jalen Hurtswitch. I don't know if that's on Hurts
Speaker 1: or Durgons, but it seemed like goes on Jurgons. And
Speaker 1: then the play that you mentioned at the end of
Speaker 1: the game. As great a game as Saquon Barkley had,
Speaker 1: and yes he had three touchdowns in this game, he grinded.
Speaker 1: He caught a wheel route for a touchdown on a
Speaker 1: great throw by Jalen Hurts. We'll get to Jalen Hurts's
Speaker 1: wild night. The biggest play that Saquon Barkley made was
Speaker 1: covering that fumble they were up to. They're on the
Speaker 1: goal line trying to kill the clock, trying to score
Speaker 1: a touchdown with under one minute to go, and that
Speaker 1: was given me like reverse miracle at the Metal Lands.
Speaker 1: I know they were on the one yard line, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't the same situation. But in that situation, if
Speaker 1: the Packers had fallen on the ball, I would have
Speaker 1: fully expected them to go down and kick a field goal,
Speaker 1: despite their shaky field goal kicker that they picked off
Speaker 1: Off Waivers, whose miskick was big.
Speaker 3: In this game. Like so much happened in this game,
Speaker 3: it is tough to recap it all.
Speaker 2: Think about those three points and then think about when
Speaker 2: they made the extra point off sides on the Eagles
Speaker 2: decide to go for two and then don't get it,
Speaker 2: So that's another point. That's four points right now. Then
Speaker 2: they'd be down by one. I also want to say
Speaker 2: to Packers fans, you have every reason to be upset
Speaker 2: with those two defensive holding calls against the Packers when
Speaker 2: the Eagles were wasting clock going down the field. The
Speaker 2: first one looked like Davonte Smith Davante just kind of slipped.
Speaker 2: And the second one on Saquon Barkley. I thought Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts was already running out of the pocket when they
Speaker 2: called holding on uh. I think it was Kenny Clark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was the first It was the first week for everybody.
Speaker 2: But those two calls to me were not great calls.
Speaker 3: No, they weren't.
Speaker 1: So to set up the situation, the Packers have the
Speaker 1: ball driving down five. It's been a back and forth game,
Speaker 1: bunch of lead changes, high scoring, and the Packers are
Speaker 1: inside the ten yard line midway through the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: I believe it was a fourth and five from the eight. Now,
Speaker 1: the analytical models say that's a go for it there,
Speaker 1: because at the time of the game, you're so close
Speaker 1: to scoring the touchdown, you're only cutting the lead to two.
Speaker 1: You know, it reminds you a little bit of Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers in San Francisco in the playoff game where McCarthy
Speaker 1: kicks a field goal. Not as egregious because of the
Speaker 1: time and because it gets it to to not as
Speaker 1: egregious as that playoff moment. But I was thinking, as
Speaker 1: an Eagles fan, I'm happy that they're kicking the field
Speaker 1: goal in that situation. I'm not an Eagles fan, but
Speaker 1: if I was, like a closet Eagles fan, it's kind
Speaker 1: of one of my team really. Yeah, I mean not
Speaker 1: like with other teams. You know, you take them and
Speaker 1: you leave them. They don't hurt you when they lose.
Speaker 1: But it hurt me a little bit when they lost
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. I always just like the Eagles. I
Speaker 1: always pick them to win. Yeah, they're a fun team.
Speaker 1: So the Eagles get the ball back with just under
Speaker 1: eight minutes to go, and they essentially end the game
Speaker 1: with that drive. They hold it till there's twenty seven
Speaker 1: seconds left, and if not for that fumbled snap, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was Jalen Hurts or Jurgens's
Speaker 1: fault they try to toush push on the goal line.
Speaker 1: They would have scored a touchdown there to win it. Instead,
Speaker 1: they gave twenty seven seconds for the Packers to go
Speaker 1: try to score but have drive. Nonetheless, yeah, you got
Speaker 1: a couple calls in there, but you also saw Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts finally make some plays with his legs after making
Speaker 1: really poor decisions throughout the course of the game of
Speaker 1: when to run when not to. Saquon Barkley picked up
Speaker 1: a couple first downs there. He finishes with one hundred
Speaker 1: and nine yards on the ground, twenty three in the air,
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, and even his yards per carry was brought
Speaker 1: down because he had so many of those, just like
Speaker 1: two yard runs right at the end as they're killing clock.
Speaker 1: Just an awesome performance by Saquon Barkley. You have to
Speaker 1: feel good that Saquon Barkley is on your team.
Speaker 2: The other guy that I thought was huge on that
Speaker 2: drive was DeVante Smith. He had one catch in which
Speaker 2: he sliced through two defenders, got the first down, and
Speaker 2: that slant inside the red zone, which was you know,
Speaker 2: shout out to Kellen Moore. I haven't seen a play
Speaker 2: call like that in a few years, not really since Stiching,
Speaker 2: And so, I.
Speaker 1: What do you mean just being like that aggressive in
Speaker 1: that situation. And so to set that up second and
Speaker 1: eight seventeen yard line two minutes and ten seconds left,
Speaker 1: So that's a ballsy call there to not run the
Speaker 1: ball and go for the first down right there.
Speaker 2: I felt for the last eighteen months that would have
Speaker 2: been a wide receiver screen for the Eagles, or that
Speaker 2: would have been like a Kenny Gainwell draw. And to
Speaker 2: trust Hurts in that situation after some of those passes
Speaker 2: that he had earlier, I thought was really great. I
Speaker 2: do think this. I've been wondering about this Hurts now
Speaker 2: for two years. I personally believe that Hurts was never fast,
Speaker 2: whether there was injuries or not. But I think everyone
Speaker 2: wanted to defend the edge against him, and they were
Speaker 2: afraid of him taking sideline and he would always do
Speaker 2: that dead leg move where he'd stop and go upfield.
Speaker 2: And I think last year everyone realized he's not trying
Speaker 2: to get outside, He's trying to cut in and that's
Speaker 2: why he constantly falls down. But what I realized on
Speaker 2: that last drive was out of spread, when he can
Speaker 2: run between the tackles, very effective runner the RPO. I
Speaker 2: think they really need to sit down and think, like,
Speaker 2: just give it to Saquon because I don't think Hurts
Speaker 2: off the RPO anymore as a productive football play.
Speaker 1: No, the decision making is what killed him. And we
Speaker 1: heard that he was feeling healthier in training camp and
Speaker 1: that they were trying to use the run game and
Speaker 1: that we're hearing positive things, but he seemed a little
Speaker 1: scrambled tonight. What a weird game because you look at
Speaker 1: the numbers and it's thirty four to twenty nine.
Speaker 3: At the end of the game.
Speaker 1: You look at the offensive yardage, both teams go over
Speaker 1: four hundred and that was after the first five drives
Speaker 1: of the game. Neither team at any yards. I think
Speaker 1: it was a total of thirty nine yards in the
Speaker 1: first five drives and then they explode. And yet both
Speaker 1: quarterbacks were up and down at best. I would say
Speaker 1: Hurts was up and down because he made a bunch
Speaker 1: of good plays. He made a lot of bad plays.
Speaker 1: Jordan Love was more just struggling, but Hurts, I think
Speaker 1: it was easier to understand when the ball comes out
Speaker 1: on time. It was good, made a number of nice rows,
Speaker 1: you meant and Devanta Smith that was one of the
Speaker 1: more impressive. What he goes seven to eighty four something
Speaker 1: like that. Every one of those was huge, difficult catches
Speaker 1: over the middle. But good throws to him too. The
Speaker 1: nice throw to AJ Brown by Hurts on a play
Speaker 1: that AJ Brown takes to the house. Actually, let's let's
Speaker 1: listen to that one from Noego. That was a fun play.
Speaker 2: Down in seven. Hurts with time loves it over the top,
Speaker 2: Browns got it.
Speaker 3: There goes aj Brown. Floyd didn't speed.
Speaker 1: Touchdown sixty seven of yours, okay, So that that is
Speaker 1: AJ Brown just housing jay R Alexander who was shadowing
Speaker 1: him early in the game. They stopped shadowing him after that,
Speaker 1: and Alexander actually had a nice interception to make up
Speaker 1: for it later. But that's what that's what Hurts does well.
Speaker 1: He throws a nice go ball nothing over the middle
Speaker 1: of this game. And I give Kellen Moore a lot
Speaker 1: of credit too. I'm gonna give Sirianni credit a little later,
Speaker 1: but Kellen Moore versus the Blitz and Jalen Hurts give
Speaker 1: him the credit. The last year, I always thought it
Speaker 1: was more on the co and then just Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: in a game where Hurts was fourteen of twenty seven
Speaker 1: with two interceptions in one hundred and eighty seven yards
Speaker 1: six point nine yards per attempt when he wasn't blitzed
Speaker 1: Tonight left go.
Speaker 3: Can I call you Leftgo? You kind of go? Last name?
Speaker 1: You know, I prefer that we've only met once at
Speaker 1: a at a Super Bowl dinner. That Anna Kaims through
Speaker 1: like seven years ago is a long time.
Speaker 2: Ago, happy early birthday mina.
Speaker 1: Six for seven against the Blitz, Jalen Hurts, Wow, ninety
Speaker 1: one yards a touchdown, perfect passer rating, so like that
Speaker 1: those were their best plays, including, by the way, on
Speaker 1: that last drive. One of his big completions was against
Speaker 1: the Blitz. But the Packers almost stopped using it because
Speaker 1: it wasn't working. So that's something they fixed that they
Speaker 1: might have spent all off season on that, at the
Speaker 1: you know, expense of some other things.
Speaker 2: There was a series of five games last year when
Speaker 2: I think, if you look back at it now, you
Speaker 2: realize why that plumbing for the Eagles was so drastic.
Speaker 2: They beat in succession Miami by double digits, Washington, Dallas
Speaker 2: at Kansas City they won and then Buffalo in overtime.
Speaker 2: This felt very much like that series of games where
Speaker 2: I don't know how the Eagles pulled it out. But
Speaker 2: there are so many things that I'm still terrified of
Speaker 2: after this game that I still think are huge issues
Speaker 2: that Aj Brown's gonna make. Aj Brown plays Saquon that
Speaker 2: catch for that first touchdown. I mean that was like
Speaker 2: wide receiver level stuff. But I still sit here after
Speaker 2: Week one, even though it's against another team that's a
Speaker 2: favored to win their division, and I'm just thinking about, Okay,
Speaker 2: Quinya Mitchell was good, but man, they were picking on
Speaker 2: Avonte Maddox a ton They really need Cooper dejen to
Speaker 2: get in there and be what he's expected to be
Speaker 2: the pass rush from the exterior. Is that because the
Speaker 2: field was so bad, or you know, are we really
Speaker 2: missing you know, some of the pass rushers that we
Speaker 2: let go. I'm definitely like still a little bit glass
Speaker 2: half empty, even though I can't believe the Eagles somehow
Speaker 2: won this game.
Speaker 1: Well, that that's what Eagles fans are gonna do, and
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. I wouldn't feel great about
Speaker 1: them if I was an Eagles fan after tonight, but
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter these week one. I think fans and
Speaker 1: us in the media really over rate September. It really
Speaker 1: is extended preseason. They're not just saying that, like they
Speaker 1: haven't played almost any snaps and then they play seventy
Speaker 1: in sou Paolo on a super slippery field. It's just like,
Speaker 1: get a W and try to stay healthy. And that
Speaker 1: that's the why the Jordan loved thing and they had
Speaker 1: a healthy night. The Eagles, they got a W that
Speaker 1: might come in really handy when it comes to playoff seating.
Speaker 1: We'll see they don't have the toughest schedule in the world,
Speaker 1: the Eagles, so this is one of the tougher games
Speaker 1: neutral site. You get the W, you move on, you
Speaker 1: try to work on and you try to just have
Speaker 1: things somewhat under control in late November, and that's when
Speaker 1: they started falling apart last year. Before we move on
Speaker 1: from the Eagles, because I want to just kind of
Speaker 1: dive into what happened with the Packers and we'll let
Speaker 1: you know while we're taping we hear anything about Jordan love.
Speaker 1: I want to bring you back to the end of
Speaker 1: the first half. Give Nick Sirianni some love and give
Speaker 1: the analytics department there to whoever's helping him make these decisions.
Speaker 1: I mean, Todd Blackledge was shocked that they're going for
Speaker 1: it on fourth and three with like a minute forty
Speaker 1: left in the first half. They think they're going to kick,
Speaker 1: like multiple they take the time out, they don't kick.
Speaker 1: They tried to get them with the hard count because
Speaker 1: they got them earlier. It didn't work. They did take
Speaker 1: the time out. Then they come back out and they
Speaker 1: still think that they're going to take another time out.
Speaker 1: You can't take a time out there. It's against the rules.
Speaker 1: At that point, they're definitely going for it, and it
Speaker 1: made total sense. That was a go for it situation.
Speaker 1: But that was one of DeVonta Smith's great catches over
Speaker 1: the middle. A nice throw by Jalen Hurts, who isn't
Speaker 1: known for throwing over the middle. That great and the
Speaker 1: reason you go for it there not only is just
Speaker 1: to keep the ball a minute forty left, you're getting
Speaker 1: the ball after halftime. They did a great job bleeding
Speaker 1: the rest of the clock. They didn't get the touchdown there,
Speaker 1: they ended up backing up, but they did end the
Speaker 1: half with the ball, so you got the three points.
Speaker 1: You prevented the Packers from getting the three points, you
Speaker 1: get a touchdown out of the half, so that's a
Speaker 1: ten point sandwich there. And that's all for going for
Speaker 1: it on fourth down. And whenever they get those fourth downs,
Speaker 1: no one ever talks about it. But if they didn't
Speaker 1: get it, people would be killing them, and people aren't
Speaker 1: killing the Packers for not going for it. Like the
Speaker 1: two fourth down decisions were pretty crucial in this game.
Speaker 2: I do think that fourth down is overshadowed by Hurtz's
Speaker 2: bad decision afterwards, because they did settle for a field
Speaker 2: goal on that drive where he just took. When a
Speaker 2: quarterback is rolling out and they think they're going to
Speaker 2: get sacked and they don't throw it away, it's one
Speaker 2: of those moments where as a fan, you think I
Speaker 2: would have thrown it away. I also realized, as you're
Speaker 2: talking right now, we have a rules analyst in every booth.
Speaker 2: I believe that there should be like just like they have,
Speaker 2: he can call up a referee. They should be able
Speaker 2: to call up Greg Rosenthal whenever somebody says something that
Speaker 2: is like a statement that would have maybe thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: like when someone goes take the points, I almost think
Speaker 2: you need to pop up in a box and be like, actually,
Speaker 2: like I understand you're saying this. Here's why because the
Speaker 2: like Noah Eagle's never gonna step on the color commentators stuff.
Speaker 2: He'd ever wants to seem like like have an intellectual discussion.
Speaker 2: But I do think it needs to happen. Because I
Speaker 2: was with you as he was saying that. I was like,
Speaker 2: somebody has to argue the other side here, because we
Speaker 2: can't just live in this world of take the field goal.
Speaker 1: But we end up talking about that on Twitter. I
Speaker 1: have news for you. There is that guy. He exists.
Speaker 1: His name is Sam Schwarztein. He's on the Amazon Prime
Speaker 1: like Next Gen Stats, and I don't want to make
Speaker 1: this about being Jewish here, but yeah, he's another another
Speaker 1: member of the tribe. But he's like six foot three
Speaker 1: and a former offensive lineman. He does I don't know
Speaker 1: if he pops up and tells them not to go,
Speaker 1: but they provide all the analysis. My son loves the
Speaker 1: Next Gen Stats on the Amazon broadcast, so that's.
Speaker 2: Not to bring it to basketball. One of my favorite
Speaker 2: local broadcasts is the Portland Trailblazers because they have an
Speaker 2: analytics guy that comes in and will break down. Hey,
Speaker 2: I know you guys thought that was a bad decision.
Speaker 2: Here's why it actually makes sense. I okay, so me
Speaker 2: and your son have a lot in common.
Speaker 3: I dig this.
Speaker 1: You should check out that broadcast. All right, left, go,
Speaker 1: We still have a lot to get to. Let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we will finish our recap after that.
Speaker 3: By the way, I just checked out you know where.
Speaker 1: We have people chatting here, so if you want to
Speaker 1: ask us questions, Eric, you can throw up some comments
Speaker 1: from the chat.
Speaker 3: I like, what's going on here?
Speaker 1: They people seem to be happy that we had a.
Speaker 3: Game in Brazil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very I will go to a question from
Speaker 1: Sam Bruce Smith here that says, are we sure the
Speaker 1: Packers upgrade and decoordinator? Okay, they gave up a bunch
Speaker 1: of big plays, but let's give it a little more time.
Speaker 1: With with Jeff Hafley, like, I didn't see anything that
Speaker 1: makes me concerned.
Speaker 3: This was just a crazy game.
Speaker 1: And yeah it hurts he looked before I finally move
Speaker 1: on from the Eagles, Like he just looked so uncomfortable
Speaker 1: when he held the ball, just like he's not a
Speaker 1: creator right now. And so despite the numbers that he
Speaker 1: had which were decent, Like his awareness level was just
Speaker 1: like not really there this game. But that was also
Speaker 1: true for Love and so we'll talk about him. They
Speaker 1: both had near pick sixes. Love was kind of all
Speaker 1: over the place with accuracy. Obviously, the injury hangs over
Speaker 1: this game, but it was a game I think that
Speaker 1: we can expect out of Jordan Love. He is a
Speaker 1: wild horse. He is going to have ups and downs.
Speaker 1: I always remember when he was playing in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I just thought this defined him so well. If you
Speaker 1: added up all of his preseason numbers before he became
Speaker 1: the starter, he was the NFL leader among like those
Speaker 1: three years for pffs big time throws per per per snap,
Speaker 1: and the NFL leader in turnover where he plays per snap,
Speaker 1: and he he minimized like the risk taking last year.
Speaker 3: But he's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He's very farvying in that he's gonna have like crazy
Speaker 1: amazing games and bad game. Like to me, he's young
Speaker 1: Josh Allen before joshut. I know, he's a little cleaner
Speaker 1: than Josh Allen when was in his first couple of years.
Speaker 1: But there's gonna be just like wild ups and downs.
Speaker 1: In this game, had that.
Speaker 2: Who was the backup behind Josh Jacobs running back. He
Speaker 2: had a few runs where I was like, I think
Speaker 2: this guy is better than Josh Jacobs. Man.
Speaker 1: You also got like, yeah, he had a forty six
Speaker 1: yard he had he had a big run in this game.
Speaker 1: Jacobs was started slow, but then he ended up finishing
Speaker 1: quietly with eighty four yards on the ground. Like started
Speaker 1: getting it going in the second half a little bit.
Speaker 2: But we're where do you see the Packers offensive line?
Speaker 2: Because I've always like just looking at someone like Brandon
Speaker 2: Thorne's rankings and seen them at like eighteen and seeing
Speaker 2: that they're kind of average. I just felt like for
Speaker 2: so much of the FARVN Rodgers runs they had just
Speaker 2: stalwart offensive lineman. And I don't know where this group
Speaker 2: ranks in comparison to those.
Speaker 3: Where does he have them ranked? By the way, did
Speaker 3: you did you look?
Speaker 1: I bet pretty happy think I saw him at eighteen?
Speaker 1: Oh really see, I would have guessed they would have
Speaker 1: been higher. They've had some changes Josh Myers. Also, their
Speaker 1: their center got banged up on that same play that
Speaker 1: Jordan loved at the end, So we'll keep an eye
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 3: Zach tom at tackle like.
Speaker 1: It's a better group I think together than Elton Jenkins
Speaker 1: can play every different position. I actually expect them to
Speaker 1: be like a pretty good offensive line today. I would
Speaker 1: say they shut down your boy. Bryce Huff, who was
Speaker 1: little concerning it wasn't on the field a ton. Nolan
Speaker 1: Smith played a little more than I expected, had a
Speaker 1: couple pressures. Josh Sweat played played fine. Jalen Carter certainly
Speaker 1: had a good game. Jordan Davis made some plays.
Speaker 3: You mentioned.
Speaker 1: Nikobe Dean, who was in the middle of a lot
Speaker 1: of good plays, also got burned for a big place,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think they got to be happy
Speaker 1: that he's at least playing aggressive.
Speaker 3: Overall, I think the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Defense probably looked better than the Packers defense.
Speaker 2: I my hope for Eagles fans out there is Eagles
Speaker 2: fans always for some reason, even though we won a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in twenty seventeen, we go back to those
Speaker 2: early two thousands teams, the three straight, four straight NFC
Speaker 2: championship and what I love? Can I name drop?
Speaker 3: I was you just said you texted you know with
Speaker 3: Kelsey earlier? I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was drinking with Charles Barkley last week, and
Speaker 2: I said, what I loved about Jim Johnson was that
Speaker 2: he was this old professor that you never was worried
Speaker 2: he was going to take a head coaching job. You
Speaker 2: just knew that he was going to dial up some
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. And I love getting Vic Fangio at this
Speaker 2: stage in his career where he's close to family in
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia area. He's already had a taste of head
Speaker 2: coaching and now he could just sit back and be
Speaker 2: like the crazy defensive mastermind again. I feel like they
Speaker 2: dialed back the blitz because of the lack of traction,
Speaker 2: Like it felt very much like the Super Bowl field
Speaker 2: where like the Eagles had the most sacks in the
Speaker 2: history of the NFL and then couldn't generate any pressure
Speaker 2: on Patrick Mahomes. So maybe they will dial up more blitzes.
Speaker 2: I thought one thing he was doing schematically was like
Speaker 2: right before the snap would be moving Zach Bond from
Speaker 2: that middle linebacker position and then going from like a
Speaker 2: four down lineman and making him a fifth down lineman,
Speaker 2: almost like a bear front type of thing. And so
Speaker 2: my hope is that Vic Fangio is going to enter
Speaker 2: his Jim Johnson era and that I will be the
Speaker 2: de because the Eagles lost coordinators. I saw that during
Speaker 2: the game. Third like the third year of different OC
Speaker 2: and DC. If he can be consistency, that I think
Speaker 2: will be huge for the franchise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's kind of a cliche I've I've found
Speaker 1: covering Vic Fangio over the last ten years or whatever
Speaker 1: as a coordinator because he's jumped around, and then as
Speaker 1: a head coach too, It's like his defenses always take
Speaker 1: time to get going because he's not someone who dumbs
Speaker 1: it down. So he just then blames the players and
Speaker 1: hates the players if it doesn't work, like pretty much
Speaker 1: most of last season in Miami, Like he never really
Speaker 1: got over that he didn't do a great job in
Speaker 1: my Yeah, and so that was personality, but it's also
Speaker 1: it's complicated, and you could see it tonight and so
Speaker 1: you saw the blown coverage on the Jayden Reid has
Speaker 1: that long seventy plus yard touchdown. Jayden Reid is a player.
Speaker 1: Another long touchdown on a run thirty three yards. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a rare guy that is as quick as
Speaker 1: he is fast. He's so good short area, but he
Speaker 1: also has great straight line speed. He might be the
Speaker 1: leading receiver for the Packers. But yeah, I saw some
Speaker 1: of the confusion in this game. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: You're right, they were creative and actually the numbers and
Speaker 1: I was I would have agreed with you about the Blitz,
Speaker 1: but looking at my NFL pro I'm telling you I'm
Speaker 1: diving deep into this this year after these games. Six
Speaker 1: for twelve against the Blitz for Jordan Love for thirty
Speaker 1: eight yards, so three point two yards again, so I
Speaker 1: don't think there was a lot of big plays. There
Speaker 1: were no sacks, but they basically got him to get
Speaker 1: rid of the ball quickly and they didn't make any
Speaker 1: big plays. So for the most part, I thought they
Speaker 1: they had it dialed down now now like the Packers
Speaker 1: also helped them out. Jordan Love missed open receivers some
Speaker 1: of those numbers with his you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: his completion percentage, Like early in the game, Dontavian Wix
Speaker 1: drops a couple passes because he slipped. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was so much slip, you know. I know I didn't
Speaker 1: like back your point about the field. It's not because
Speaker 1: I work for the NFL. It's obvious it was. It
Speaker 1: was a bit of a disaster. Now, that was the
Speaker 1: same story as during the Super Bowl game that they lost.
Speaker 1: It wasn't nearly it wasn't as bad, but I think
Speaker 1: the same thing happened here. And they said it on
Speaker 1: the broadcast, like, if they played this game in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: it would have been fine. The sun, the sun, you know,
Speaker 1: but they play it at night and it's this grass
Speaker 1: field that hasn't had a lot of football on it,
Speaker 1: and it gets humid and it's dewey, and they're slipping
Speaker 1: all over the place, and it's a bit of a
Speaker 1: problem because they're not going to put that game in
Speaker 1: the afternoon because they want it in primetime. And you're right,
Speaker 1: it was kind of it was embarrassing because it played
Speaker 1: a huge factor in the first half of this game,
Speaker 1: really the whole game. I think just the players managed
Speaker 1: to adjust themwhat you.
Speaker 2: Could see at the halftime interview, you know when when
Speaker 2: they're interviewing the coach and he's just like, it's a problem,
Speaker 2: you know, because everyone loves to talk about, oh, just
Speaker 2: change your cleats. Yes. The only thing that's good about
Speaker 2: a field like that is you avoid a lot of
Speaker 2: acl issues because most of the time that's caught by
Speaker 2: like a Clik getting stuck in the turf Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Question for you, were you surprised at how little must
Speaker 2: was playing because as an Eagles fan, I have watched
Speaker 2: tight ends destroy this team for two seasons and for
Speaker 2: him to be like Craft got more of the snaps.
Speaker 2: But I just had heard about Muskgrave for weeks and
Speaker 2: then I felt like he was barely out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually drafted him like as a backup in my
Speaker 1: fantasy league because I didn't know if I had a
Speaker 1: healthy guy for a week what I didn't play him,
Speaker 1: So I'm glad with that. I'm surprised it was. It
Speaker 1: was one game. I could check the participation see. I
Speaker 1: think he was out there a decent amount. But to
Speaker 1: your point, I think Tucker Craft is going to be
Speaker 1: a big part of their offense. They really like tucker Craft.
Speaker 1: They they have so many players to update. Jordan Love
Speaker 1: this will be the last one, at least, like an
Speaker 1: official update for the night. Lafleur just said, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. The Twitter doctors aren't
Speaker 1: really in agreement. I'm hoping what you say about the
Speaker 1: slipperiness means it's less serious than it could be and yeah,
Speaker 1: you nailed it. A Musgrave only went out for eight
Speaker 1: routes in this game, twenty eight. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: the total snaps and twenty eight for Kraft. So Kraft
Speaker 1: was the guy and they pretty much played Dobbs and
Speaker 1: read As as the main receivers and Wicks as the
Speaker 1: third guy. And so yeah, we we spend all off
Speaker 1: season kind of looking at this stuff trying to figure
Speaker 1: out and yeah, we do. It is fun when we
Speaker 1: do get some answers. Let's let's let's speak of answers.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get another question from the commenters. Look, this
Speaker 1: is only the second time we've gone live on YouTube, Adam,
Speaker 1: so I feel thanks for the Yeah, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: doing it. Let us know listeners out there if you
Speaker 1: like the live. Mark Henry asked, Philly put up thirty
Speaker 1: four despite two bad picks, a fumble and a botch
Speaker 1: snap taking an TD off the board. Should that make
Speaker 1: us feel better about Philly or worse about Green Bay?
Speaker 1: I would say better about Philly. I think Jason Kelsey
Speaker 1: he keeps coming up. I saw a tweet he had
Speaker 1: after the game, and I think he's right, and this
Speaker 1: is true about the Eagles a lot because their players
Speaker 1: are so good. He thought it was a great performance.
Speaker 1: Of course he's gonna over praise them, but when they're great,
Speaker 1: they're pretty great, like and they made a lot of
Speaker 1: great plays on defense and offense today, and they were
Speaker 1: quite sloppy. But I think it's a good thing that
Speaker 1: Philly had. It's a reason why my friend Cynthia Frielan,
Speaker 1: who does all these computer models, he's into the analytics.
Speaker 3: She has been winning the Super Bowl, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's very ske I think it's partly schedule based and
Speaker 1: that the NFC is weak based, but it's also just
Speaker 1: their players are awesome, especially in the lines. Uh, And
Speaker 1: I think that's what the Eagles fans have to hang
Speaker 1: their hat on.
Speaker 2: From a flow of offense perspective, again, it wasn't stich
Speaker 2: In level, which was I mean, I still can't believe
Speaker 2: I got to watch that offense, and when I watched
Speaker 2: the Colts last year, I get glimpses of it and
Speaker 2: that guy is just a mastermind. But it never did.
Speaker 2: There was only a few drives where it felt really stagnant,
Speaker 2: and I felt like I still think that one hurts
Speaker 2: turnover was because they were expecting an off sides lane.
Speaker 2: Johnson kind of let his guy rush and was just
Speaker 2: pointing that there was movement, but it didn't. They were
Speaker 2: able to get the ball to aj Brown in space.
Speaker 2: What you said about Hertz, the ability to throw intermediate
Speaker 2: routes was a huge issue last year. The Eagles offense
Speaker 2: last year felt like it was either a forty yard
Speaker 2: pass or a bubble screen. And the fact that it
Speaker 2: was so little screen usage. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: Eagle fans are a little bit traumatized whenever Kenny Gainwell
Speaker 2: is catching the ball in important positions. But even when
Speaker 2: he did, he had a huge broken tackle that turned
Speaker 2: into a first down and completely redeemed himself. The offense
Speaker 2: definitely for a new OC, a new center after a
Speaker 2: decade of a Hall of Fame center, a new third
Speaker 2: wide receiver still trying to figure that out, I thought
Speaker 2: that they really did show a lot of promise. The
Speaker 2: question will be what the heck were those throws by
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, the crossbody interceptions, the one to start the
Speaker 2: game to Xavier McKinnon, e the one towards the end
Speaker 2: to jay r Alexander is what was he seeing and
Speaker 2: what you said earlier too, which was he didn't seem comfortable,
Speaker 2: and so will that happen? Is it just week one?
Speaker 2: Because I think your point about it being extended preseason
Speaker 2: is valid as well.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, he he honestly looked a little lost
Speaker 1: once he got past his first read and he had
Speaker 1: the ball to him two and a half seconds, so
Speaker 1: that that worries me. And he kind of the book
Speaker 1: is out that he's always drifting to the right. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at some of these comments and someone called you
Speaker 1: the name drop master over here.
Speaker 2: You know who else calls me that, Travis Kelsey. I'm
Speaker 2: just kidding.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And yeah, people are excited to build up
Speaker 1: this live stream. I appreciate you, Adam for joining me
Speaker 1: on this. I think it's a big win for the Eagles.
Speaker 1: It would have felt really bad for them to lose
Speaker 1: this game. Packers fans, unfortunately, are are fearing the worst
Speaker 1: rate now for Jordan Love and yeah, we'll we'll keep
Speaker 1: updating that situation. Ryan Tannehill is a free agent, just
Speaker 1: to kind of put it out there, because Malik Willis
Speaker 1: I just don't think from what we've seen, is ready
Speaker 1: to win games. If he has to step in. Sean
Speaker 1: Clifford was their backup last year. I believe he's on
Speaker 1: their practice squad now. They cut my boy Michael Pratt,
Speaker 1: who went to Tulane. He's now on the Bucks practice squad.
Speaker 1: So we'll see. We'll see what the Packers cannot.
Speaker 2: We cannot end on the note that the Green Bay
Speaker 2: Packers quarterback battle is going to be what we've been
Speaker 2: seeing in the Tennessee Titans for the last few years,
Speaker 2: like Tannehill versus well Leak. We're like, oh man, that's so.
Speaker 1: Sad and I and in Tannehill frankly looked a little
Speaker 1: cooked last year. It was a tough situation in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So they actually play the Titans in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: They play the Colts next week, the Vikings after that.
Speaker 1: So not a hard schedule, not any schedule, kind of
Speaker 1: a down the middle schedule where the Packers the Eagles
Speaker 1: can feel much better about where they're at.
Speaker 3: And thank you for staying up so late. You're in
Speaker 3: a hotel. Where are you? You're down in Atlanta or something.
Speaker 2: I am in Atlanta, Georgia. We are getting ready. If
Speaker 2: you guys are listening to this on Saturday morning and
Speaker 2: you want to watch some football myself. Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: cornerback Chant Bailey, the Dancing Sensation and wide receiver Victor Cruz,
Speaker 2: and the all time linebacker ta Keio Spikes breaking down
Speaker 2: college football on True TV. It is a mad lib.
Speaker 2: I never thought i'd say, but brother, I could talk
Speaker 2: about Saboda and Wyoming and how Idaho hasn't won there
Speaker 2: since nineteen twenty one.
Speaker 3: So I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, just a note of hope for Packers fans.
Speaker 1: It's a long season. I know it's such a bummer
Speaker 1: to start this way. So I'm thinking good thoughts for you. Hey,
Speaker 1: Exavier at McKinney, he looked great. I think you got
Speaker 1: a good one in Javon Boullard, your safety, all those.
Speaker 2: Free got around amazing.
Speaker 1: Long term, it's all good, and hopefully the short term
Speaker 1: for Jordan Love will be good too. All Right, that
Speaker 1: is it. We will be back on Sunday night. Yet
Speaker 1: it's the Sunday Night recap show. We are gonna be
Speaker 1: hitting every single game. We will not be going live
Speaker 1: on YouTube on Sunday nights just after these T and
Speaker 1: F and in primetime games. But Patrick Claybond will be
Speaker 1: with me, Nick Schook will be with me. I cannot
Speaker 1: wait for that until then. So glad that football is back.