1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful young mom seemingly 2 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: disappears off the face of the earth than a twist 3 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: in the case. Why has Alison's case gone cold? In fact, 4 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it has gone cold. I think that 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: authorities are simply not willing to act crime stories with 6 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. You know, recently we heard a lot about 7 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: the Bill Cosby case, how the original prosecutor was basically 8 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: afraid to take the case to trial, afraid of a 9 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: David and Goliath scenario where he was David and Casey 10 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: was Goliath. Well, let's go to the end of that story. 11 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: David won the battle. David actually slew Goliath. My question 12 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: is why our district attorneys elected to do the right thing, 13 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: always win or lose, afraid to take on a case 14 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: they might maybe lose, instead of always and always seeking justice. Well, 15 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: let's find out. First of all, take a listen to this. 16 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: Before moving to Wilmington, North Carolina, Alison Jackson Foy enjoyed 17 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: working with children. She was a dance teacher at her 18 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: father's New York dance studio. She was also a gymnastics coach. 19 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: She married Michael Foy and the family Alison, Michael, and 20 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: their two daughters moved to Wilmington. Foy gets a job 21 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 1: at a local hotel and earns a promotion to assistant manager. Wow, 22 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: a dance teacher married, great job moving up within that too, 23 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: assistant general manager. That's not easy. You were just hearing 24 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. So how does 25 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Alison Jackson Foy suddenly go missing? Listen to our friend 26 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: Hannah Patrick Wway three. Alison was working the day she 27 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: went missing. She had left to work here and was 28 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: going to celebrate with a friend of hers, and so 29 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: they went to what was it's not anymore Junction Pub 30 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: at the time, Junction Pub was right here on Carolina 31 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: Beach Road. It is now known as Mad Cats. She 32 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: had a couple of glasses of wine. Her friend at 33 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: the time said to her, you know, you shouldn't drive home, 34 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: and she said, oh no, and he said, no, you 35 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't trif home. Let me call you a cab. Then 36 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Valentino says, the bartender called one for her. Somebody walked 37 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: in the barn, So I did someone call a cab 38 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: and they said, yeah, we did, And she walked out 39 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: with the cab driver and that was the last that 40 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: she was ever seen walk out to get a cab 41 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 1: and she's never seen alive again. You know, we just 42 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: recently cover the case of a young woman heading to 43 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: law school who was out celebrating the end of Underground 44 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: with her friends, goes out to get in her uber 45 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: and she's never seen alive again. In her case, there 46 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: was a resolution, and Allison's case not so much. Again, 47 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grays. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 48 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: being with us. I want to introduce to you an 49 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: all star panel joining me to make sense of it all. 50 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: Bob Buner, the former montaur County District Attorney and past 51 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: president of the Pennsylvania District Attorney's Association. And that is 52 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: not an easy thing to achieve. Doctor Jerry Crossen, Psychologist, 53 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo Universe's a consultant author of Operation s 54 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: O S. Doctor Tim Gallagher medical examiner for the entire 55 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: state of Florida and you can find him at pathcaremed 56 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: dot com. Lecturer University Florida Medical School, Forensic Medicine and 57 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. 58 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder and director of the Coldcase Research Institute 59 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: forensics expert. You can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org. 60 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: Ben Shopman news director w h q R News, the 61 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: NPR affiliate in Wilmington, North Carolina, former editor Port City Daily, 62 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: and you can find him on Twitter at Ben Underscore Shopman. 63 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: But first, listen to our friends at ID. A thirty 64 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: four year old mother of two vanishes after a night out. 65 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: A detective coal masist just want to let you know 66 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: that your daughter, US missing detectives aren't convinced she's in danger. 67 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: All signs led to the likelihood that she had left 68 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: the area on her own. Accord you were hearing Alison's 69 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: dad speaking about right now joining me is Alison's sister. 70 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: This is Lisa A Valentino, who over time I feel 71 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: has become a friend. She has never given up on 72 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: finding the truth of what happened to her sister. Lisa 73 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: is now with q CUE Center for Missing Persons at 74 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: NC Missing Persons dot org. Lisa, thank you for being 75 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: with us, Thank you for having me. You know, Lisa, 76 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: I know it gets exhausting to rehash the story of 77 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: your sister's disappearance, and I know that feeling to this day. 78 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: I hate it. When people bring up to me my 79 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: fiance's murder just before our wedding, and that was a 80 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: long long time ago. Now if I bring it up that, 81 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: I guess that means I'm milly and emotionally prepared to 82 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: talk about it. But when someone just asked me about 83 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: it out of the blue, it's like somebody throws cold 84 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: water on my face. And also after you talk about it, 85 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: it just leaves me feeling weary, weary and drained. And 86 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: I imagine it's the same thing for you. So I 87 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: specially want to thank you for being with us and 88 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: I want to take you back. Tell me how did 89 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: you learn Alison was missing? So my family and I 90 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: with my other brother and a sister and our children, 91 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: we were on a vacation to the White Mountains in 92 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: New Hampshire, which we had done every year, and we 93 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: were kind of out of touch with my dad for 94 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: that period of time for whatever reason, because I guess 95 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: you didn't want to bother us on vacation. I had 96 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: talked to my sister Alison the day before we went 97 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: on vacation because it was my daughter Emily's birthday, And 98 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: on our way back from New Hampshire, we get a 99 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: phone call from my father saying that there was a 100 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: message at the time his answering machine from Wilmington PD 101 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: stating that Allison had been missing. And so that's the 102 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: first we heard of it. And immediately the three of us, 103 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: my brother and sister and I made plants to drop 104 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: off our family and get on a plane that night 105 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: and head to Wilmington, And that's what we did. I 106 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: met my dad there and the four of us arrived 107 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: there together. You know, to doctor Jorry cross In psychologist 108 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo University and author, doctor Jory, when people 109 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: are confronted with knees like this, your sister's missing, I'm projecting, 110 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: I know. But when I was told something horrible had 111 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: happened to Keith, it didn't seem real. I really didn't. 112 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: I couldn't take it in. And as the minutes past, 113 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: I convinced myself he wasn't dead, that he had just 114 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: been hurt, and that it must have been a car 115 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: crash and if I could just get to him, I 116 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: could fix it. I could find out what was going on. 117 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: I could sort the whole thing out. Why is that, 118 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: doctor Jory, Because we hear one thing, but we process 119 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: something completely different. Here she is on a vacation with 120 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: her family and she finds out her sister, her beloved 121 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: sister is missing. You know, it's all part of trying 122 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: to balance the trauma, the unknown, the tremendous amount of 123 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: stress that you know, now the reality isn't setting in 124 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: yet because you're still trying to process it. You're trying 125 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: to figure out what if? Where you know, where's the answers? 126 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: How else is this going to get resolved? Anytime we're 127 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: faced with ambiguity, you know that we can't resolve it. 128 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: It creates the anxiety and the stress, and unfortunately that's 129 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, trauma is a wound d and that's a 130 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: psychological wound that sometimes you never I think to you, 131 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: Cheryl mccollum'm director of the Cold Case Research Institute. You 132 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: and I've dealt with a lot of cases and a 133 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: lot of crime victims, and I think it's so out 134 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: of the ordinary, and it's so bizarre for people to 135 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: learn their husband, their sister, they're just missing. It's I 136 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: don't think people are emotionally I don't think we're actually wired, 137 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: hardwired to take in that kind of news. No, I agree, 138 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: and I think It's one of those things where you 139 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: know your mind protects you from that, so you slowly 140 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: come to the realization of what is actually happening. So 141 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: I think it's actually kind of a gift that you 142 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: can't accept things so traumatic instantly. Crime Stories with Nancy 143 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: Grace back out to Lisa and Valentino. This is Alison's 144 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: sister who has kept her case alive. Do you remember 145 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: what it was like? I'm projecting again, but I remember 146 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: I had just gotten the twins to New York to 147 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: go ice skating, and we had gotten there, I got 148 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: them unpacked, bathed in the bed, and I got a 149 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: call from my mom that they were putting my dad 150 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: on life support. And I remember frantically trying to get 151 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: them dressed. And it was midnight and I was out 152 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: on the street in New York with the children, and 153 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: I was trying to hail a cab to get to 154 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: any airport to try to get home. Do you remember 155 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: what it was like trying to get to Wilmington. I do. 156 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: And I also remember the moment that my father told 157 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: me that she was missing, that I had this sinking 158 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: feeling that she was no longer alive. I don't know 159 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: why I felt that, But I felt that from almost 160 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: the beginning, although I pushed that to the side and 161 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: again went through and went on this trip, and I 162 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: just I think it's like you say, I almost I 163 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: just I couldn't believe actually what I was hearing, and 164 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: how does this happen to us? Type of thing? And 165 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: then you know that feeling of helplessness and not even 166 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: knowing what to do. But somehow we just have to 167 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: go there and be there and try to figure it 168 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: all out. You know, Bob Beinger is joining me, former 169 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: Montower County District Attorney, former president of the Pennsylvania District 170 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: Attorney's Association. By Binger. You know, it is so difficult 171 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: dealing with crime victims families, especially when they're blindsided with 172 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: news like this, when you know a loved one as 173 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: having as living a very risky lifestyle like they're doing drugs, 174 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: which means they're buying drugs from a dope dealer, or 175 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: they have a life of crime where they're in danger 176 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: all the time, or they do something perilous for work. 177 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: It's the pay is no less, but they've got to 178 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: have an inkling that danger is lurking when you've got 179 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: a mom health the young mom who is not living 180 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: a risky lifestyle is moving up in her business. I mean, 181 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: it's even more of a shock. It's very hard dealing 182 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: with crime victims, families victims like this. It sure is 183 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: a Nancy end. And so you have that period of 184 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: what if that you have to go through with crime victims. 185 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: You know, there's a disappearance, but there's that great on 186 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: known out there as to what really happened. And the 187 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: only thing exactly the only thing not knowing, yes, And 188 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: the only thing you can do is to promise as 189 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: a prosecutor, an elected district attorney, is to do everything 190 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: in your power to bring closure and finality to the victims. Family. 191 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a news director or whq R, 192 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: the NPR affiliate there in Wilmington. Ben tell me about 193 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: this place where she goes missing. She was out celebrating. 194 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: Then what happened? I mean, that's the most important question, Nancy. 195 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: The junction pub was. I actually used to go there 196 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: back in the day. You know, it was kind of 197 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: a dive. A cab driver, Timothy craig Anuni picked her up, 198 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: and that's the last we're we hear from her. So 199 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: how did Alison get reported missing? Listen? They said to us, 200 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: we received the phone call from her husband that she 201 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: hasn't come home and that you know, he doesn't know 202 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: where where she is. And the last place we know 203 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: she was seeing was out of place called Junction Pub 204 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: and Billiards after she finished a shift at work. Alison 205 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: had just gotten a new job. She was assistant manager 206 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: of a holiday inn here in town, and she supposedly 207 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: had gotten out to celebrate after work with a friend 208 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: of hers. They found her car at the establishments I 209 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: think a couple of days later. Lisa, we are hearing 210 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: from you what exactly happened that we know of to 211 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: your sister Alison. But am I understanding her husband is 212 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: the one that reported her missing? That's correct, her husband 213 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: is the one who reported her missing. Did he call 214 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: around to find out? But wait, wait? Wait? Did you 215 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: live near her at the time? So no, I lived 216 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: in New Jersey, right, and my dad and the rest 217 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: of my family were in New York, were Delaware, and 218 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: she was in William So there was no need to 219 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: call around and go, hey, is she over there? Have 220 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: you seen her? Have you here? Okay? Because at first 221 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: I thought that was a little suspicious, but now I 222 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: understand he directly called nine one one straight back out 223 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: to Lisa Valentino, this is Alison's sister. How did police 224 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: respond to your inquiries at the beginning when also went missing? Oh? Well, 225 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: I have to say that it was not great. They 226 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: took us to the police department. They sat us down 227 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: in a room and they basically told us that they 228 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: thought she had walked away, that she had done this 229 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: of her own accord and of her her own will, 230 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: and my father and I immediately said, well, that's not Allison. 231 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: If she was going to do this, as she would 232 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: have taken her children with her and be she would 233 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: have called me or my father or someone had said, look, 234 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: this is my plan, I'm leaving. I'm going off the 235 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: grid for a bit and you know, just leave me 236 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: alone for a little while. But she would have been 237 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: in touch. You know, I want to go to you. 238 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum found her and director of the Cold Case 239 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: Research Institute. Why why, for Pete's sake when women got missing? 240 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: Still to this day, law enforcing goes up. She's just 241 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: out with her boyfriend. You know. One of the last 242 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: times I heard that was when Stacy Peterson went missing. 243 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: Remember her? A lot of people have forgotten her. I haven't. 244 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: That was Juwe Peterson's fourth wife. One the second or 245 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: third wife, Kathleen Savio ends up dead, drowned and a 246 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: bone dry bathtub covered in bruises, and then Stacy goes missing. 247 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: And to this day, if I asked j Peterson will say, oh, 248 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: she's out with her boyfriend. What boyfriend? She's gonna leave 249 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: her children to go be with a boyfriend nobody's ever 250 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: heard of? So why it literally drives me mad. Again, 251 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: if you look at the victim and you do the 252 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: victimology first, which they should do in Indian investigation, what 253 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: they would find in this case. And in most cases, 254 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: women do not leave their children behind because they're in 255 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: a marriage they don't want to be in any longer. 256 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: Everybody listening to this show right now knows twenty women 257 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: that have gotten a divorce. Not one of them took 258 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: up powder and left their kids somewhere. Not one. So 259 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: if you look at what happened here with Alison, she 260 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: had a loving family, she had children that she adored. 261 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: She didn't take any money, she didn't take herself. Who 262 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 1: didn't she didn't take her car, she didn't take any clothes, 263 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: she didn't have a lover. So you're you're not looking 264 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: at the totality of this person. You're just saying, oh, 265 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: she was at a bar. Oh, well, she must have 266 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: just walked away to go where it's not plausible. Didn't 267 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: happen straight out to Ben Schotman joining us in WHQR. Ben, 268 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: then the case takes quite a twist. Tell me about 269 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: the remains that were discovered. Yeah, that was in April 270 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: of two thousand and eight. Allison's remains were found on 271 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: the pose of Angela Nibbles Roffinum near On Carolina Betroade. 272 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,360 Speaker 1: Both had you know, a fatal nape wounds. You don't 273 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: want to follow up upon that to doctor Tim Gallagher, 274 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida. You 275 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: can find me at pathcaremad dot com. Doctor Gallagher. With 276 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: that amount of time passing, how could they still determine 277 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: death was by knife wound? Well, if you look at 278 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: the remains, and most of the time at for that 279 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: amount of time passing, it would be the skeletal remains. 280 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: You can find the butcher marks that the knife makes 281 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: on the bones themselves. And you can determine if that 282 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: was happening while they were alive, while they were deceased, 283 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: and you can use those marks, those butcher marks on 284 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: the bones determine what the manner of death and the 285 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: cause of death would be. So stabbings, stabbing would leave 286 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: the would call them curf marks from the knife on 287 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: the bone, and that would give us our cause of death. 288 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: Can nick, right, it would be a nick or a 289 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 1: slice or a bladed mark that the knife leaves on 290 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: the bone. And if it's a say a rib bone 291 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: or a spine or even a skull, you know that 292 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: that could not have happened after their death from like say, 293 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: animal predation or injuries that occurred after their death. So you, specifically, 294 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: doctor Gallagher, can look at a bone and her she 295 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: went missing July thirty, two thousand and six. Her body 296 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: was found almost two years later April two thousand and eight. 297 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: You could look at a bone and determine whether a 298 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: nick in the bone was caused by a bullet, by 299 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: a knife, or by animal predation. You can look at 300 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: it and tell that how oh, absolutely, there's an entire 301 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: field dedicated to that forensic anthropology, and that the forensic 302 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: anthropologist has the technical skill and the training to determine that. 303 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: If you see a mark on the bone that is 304 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: not natural, that is very very angular, and there is 305 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: no healing, there is no healing process going on, then 306 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: you know that that had occurred at around they called 307 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: the perimortem period, or about the time that they died. 308 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: If there is teeth marks, if there is gnawing, if 309 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: there is other damage to the bone caused by animals, 310 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: we could even determine what animal it was by the 311 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: prints that it left on the bone, by the evidence 312 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: that it's left on the bone. So if a forensic 313 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: anthropologist or a medical examiner determined that they have knife 314 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: wounds on the bone, I would be strongly in favor 315 00:20:49,840 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: of that manner of exampan contrapt crime stories with Nancy 316 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: Grace to Bob, you know, joining me if we're Montour 317 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: County District Attorney. You know, Bob, it would take me 318 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: hours with a medical examiner like doctor Tim Gallagher to 319 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: break down what he just said in a way that 320 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: not only I could understand it, but a jury could 321 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: understand it. And I always try to make it like 322 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: stories that are understandable to both me and the jury. 323 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: For instance, if a bullet were to crack through a 324 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: bone or a let's just say the side of your car, 325 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: it cracks around it. It's not just the entry. It 326 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: destroys a certain amount around it the bullet entry. If 327 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: an animal, I remember seeing a bag of I guess 328 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: it was potato chips that were sealed and left somewhere, 329 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: but a little mouse had been gnawing on them, and 330 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: you could see, actually see the little naw marks on 331 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: the bag. So you compare those two and with a 332 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: knife you see a slant, you may actually see a slant, 333 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: or you see where the point of the knife hit 334 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: the bone. So all three of those will look completely differently. 335 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: So you have to break it down like that or 336 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: make it explainable to a jury. Look, you and I 337 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: just have JD's. Gallagher has got an MD. So somehow 338 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: you got to decipher all that for a jury, and Nancy, 339 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: the way to do it is through photographs and a 340 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: sort of a chronological explanation of the autopsy and going 341 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: back and forth between a person like doctor Gallagher who 342 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: can easily relate to a jury, and the photographs that 343 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: are projected to the jury in the Yeah, a slide show. 344 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: You know, slide shows are always the way to go. 345 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you know, to be in shopman joining 346 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: us w HQR. Tell me about the circumstances surrounding the 347 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: discovery of Alison's remains. Was she buried? Was I know 348 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: it was near a row, but was a wooded area? 349 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: Was she just thrown along the side of the freeway 350 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: as I've seen in many cases, which suggests she was 351 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: thrown out of a car? She said she was there 352 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: with another set of remains or the two connected. They 353 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: have to be tell me. Early on there was actually 354 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: some discussion that this could have been the work of 355 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: a serial killer, just because of some of the similarities. 356 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: It was set off back off the road, so there 357 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: was some real concern there, and I think that sort 358 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: of coincided when police started taking this case at least 359 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: a bit more seriously. What do you mean started taking 360 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: the case a bit more seriously. Wells, as Lisa told you, 361 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, early on, an officer had told her that 362 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: they expected to find Alpin with me eels in her arms. 363 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: You know, they thought that this was um, you know, 364 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: drug related, or you know, they didn't. They weren't treating 365 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: this like a homicide, certainly, but this boy, well I 366 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: stopped just a second man. Why would they say that 367 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: about Alison callousness? That's a good question. Um. It seemed 368 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: to have been a pet theory of some of the 369 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: officers who were working the case early on. Lisa, did 370 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: she have any history of that? I mean not to 371 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: my knowledge. She was, she was the breadwinner in the family, 372 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: she was taking care of her kids. I get it, Lisa. 373 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: Why would they say, oh, she's just slung up with 374 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: another man, or she's probably a dope. She was none 375 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: of that. I mean, again, there were issues, there were 376 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: problems in her marriage, but again I had just seen 377 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: her two weeks prior to this. She certainly wasn't using 378 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: while she was staying in my own So I mean 379 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: that was you know, that was the whole thing, the 380 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: whole time, trying to get them to believe they had 381 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: this idea of who she was, and I was trying 382 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: to say her, yes, yes, she went through hard time, 383 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: there was some struggle, but you know, again I never 384 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: saw her using anything. You know, Cheryl, why is this 385 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: why when a woman goes missing, she's immediately trashed, dragged 386 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: through the mud. She's either sleeping around or oh, she 387 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: suddenly has become a drug user and she's outscoring drugs. 388 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: Why why does a woman's reputation have to be totally destroyed? 389 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: Why don't they just get off their rear ends and 390 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: go look for and again if they would do the investigation, 391 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: all you had to do is taught to a few 392 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: people she worked with, her husband and her family, and 393 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: you would know this is not what we're dealing with, 394 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: not at all. So just do an investigation. Forget what 395 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: you think about this person that you've never met, Forget 396 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: the conclusion that you're drawing based on God forbid, a 397 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: woman goes and has a drink at a bar without 398 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: her husband, and suddenly you've got her in this whole 399 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: scenario of negativity that is not factually accurate. To Ben Shopman, 400 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: let me ask a couple of rapid fire questions. Was 401 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: her body buried? I don't believe so. Wasn't a wooded area? 402 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: It was near wooded area along that Carolina Beach Road area. 403 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: Was it near the side of the road that I 404 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: don't remember exactly how far it was from the road. 405 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: Let me got a Lisa Valentine. I was it Lisa No, 406 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: it was it's back behind an abandoned restaurant. It was 407 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: a cutthrough the people. Use what it was a cutthrough 408 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people. So it was back behind an 409 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 1: abandoned restaurant off of Carolina Beach Road. It was fairly wooded, 410 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: but on the other side there was a cell tower 411 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff, and people would cut through. 412 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: In fact, that's how she was fined. It was a 413 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: passer by or cutting through the woods to get to work. 414 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: Who saw the bones and the remains. So she was 415 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: not buried, No, she was lest lest Her clothes were 416 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: still there, her jewelry was still there. All of that 417 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: was still there when she was recovered. Wow. And how 418 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: far away was the other murder victim? Oh, maybe a 419 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: foot or two. The interesting thing about the other murder 420 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: victim if she went missing a year after Alison. Wow. Okay, 421 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: let's digest that. Cheryl McCollum, what does that mean. I 422 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: think it means you've got a serial killer and this 423 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: is clearly his dumping ground. You've got two bodies that 424 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: were in feet of each other. One passer buyer found 425 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: the bones, So you've got bones that are visible to 426 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: anybody that would be in that area. Both the bodies 427 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: were also Nancy in a little ravine, so they weren't 428 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: hidden and they weren't buried. But if you were just 429 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: scanning the landscape, you wouldn't have seen them. But they 430 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: were not hidden. What more do we know about the 431 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: discovery of Alison's remains? Take a lesson to our cut sixteen. 432 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: This is Hannah Patrick Wway three. In April two thousand 433 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: and eight, Valentino says remains were found about a mile 434 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: and a half away from where she went missing. The 435 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: particular place where she was found it was like a 436 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: cut through and it was also I think a known 437 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: place where like guys took prostitutes. So someone was passing 438 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: by and they saw two sets of remains. While waiting 439 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: to get DNA results, Valentino made a trip to Wilmington. 440 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: I felt like I needed to see the place where 441 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: she last was, and so when we went to the site, 442 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: more sets of remains were found that you found. Yes, 443 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: me and my friend and Monica when we went to 444 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: visit the site, and those remains ended up being Allison's. 445 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: So in finding Allison's remains, the remains of another woman, 446 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: Angela Nobles, is found, but that's not all. Take a 447 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: listen to our cut eight from News fourteen. The family 448 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: of a woman whose remains were found in Wilmington two 449 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: years ago returned to that area to follow up with investigators. 450 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: Alison Jackson Foy's father and sister talked with the district 451 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: attorney and police about the case. Thursday. Her remains were 452 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: found in a wooded area off of Carolina Beach Road, 453 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: alongside the remains of another woman, Angela Rothen in two 454 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: thousand and eight. So far, no arrests have been made. Now, 455 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: family members are concerned that just last month, the remains 456 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: of another woman for Scilla Rogers Or found a few 457 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: miles away from the other crime scene. Anytime they find 458 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: a body and I always follow everything very closely in 459 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: the Wilmington Here news, it's always like, oh, my gosh, 460 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: could this be connected, especially when it's in close proximity 461 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: to where my sister and Angela were found. Valentino says 462 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: authorities assured her that they're exploring all leads and they're 463 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: not ruling out any possibilities. The family recently started the 464 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: Alison Jackson four Memorial Fund. All donations go to the 465 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: Q Center from Missing Persons which is based in Wilmington. 466 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: So now I've got three dead bodies in the space 467 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: of just a few miles, all three of them the 468 00:29:47,000 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: victims very very similar time stories with Nancy Grace to 469 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: Bob bun Or, a former Montera County District Attorney, what's 470 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: going on and why hasn't there been a prosecution. It's 471 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: because of the incredible reluctance of the new Hanover County 472 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: District Attorney, mister David, to either convene a grand jury 473 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: or to instruct the police, the Wilmington Police Department, to 474 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: file charges. Okay, let me understand something, Bob being or 475 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: it's my understanding. The last time we know Alison was 476 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: seen alive was when she got in the cab. We 477 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: even have a description of a guy coming in saying, hey, 478 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: did anybody call a cab? She goes me and she 479 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: left with this guy. We've even got a description. Has 480 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: he been cleared. No, he has not been cleared. As 481 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, in I think two thousand and seven, Nancy, 482 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: he was with another obstitute within a hundred yards of 483 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: where Allison's body and Miss Rawlin's body were found, and 484 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: the woman alleged that he tried the raper in that area, 485 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: and he has had other criminal charges and convictions in 486 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: his background since then. So there's an amazing set of 487 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: coincidences that really, I think cry out for a grand jury. 488 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the coincidences. To Lisa Valentino, this is 489 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: Allison's sister joining us today. What are the coincidences, because 490 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people would call those coincidences evidence of guilt. 491 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: What are the so called coincidences regarding this cab driver. Well, yeah, 492 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: I guess. So we have always believed that Allison was 493 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time, 494 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: and that this person of interests who you know, Timothy 495 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: iron One, you know, thought she was someone or something 496 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: that she wasn't. As far as I know, Angela Rothon 497 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: had had some issues. Then. I guess what's known about 498 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: him is he used to pick up people for sex, 499 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: and so for years they tried to connect Alison to 500 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: those two women and they were never able to hold 501 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: on just a minute, let me understand something that you 502 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: just said, Lisa Valentino, Alison's sister. So the cab driver 503 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: that we know picked up your sister the last night 504 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: she was seen alive, has a history of being with 505 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: hookers and was found with a hooker about one hundred 506 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: yards from where your sister's body was found, and that 507 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: hooker says he tried to rape her. Yes, in fact, 508 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: they she was duct taped in his cab. She managed 509 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: to get free and police came and arrested him. But 510 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: at the time, this woman, her name is Sonia Williams, 511 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: she didn't show up for the court date because of 512 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: issues she had privately and personally going on in her life. 513 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: And so he pleaded to a lesser crime, crimes against niazure, 514 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: and he was released. Okay, when you set crimes against nature, 515 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: could you be more specific? I guess that's what they 516 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: call it, right, I'm not I don't. I don't know that. 517 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: Just the North Carolina Statute for a world sex oral sex. 518 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: That's a crime against nature? And speaking is that Ben 519 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: or Bossy? Okay, she's duck tape and says he tried 520 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: to rape her, yes, and he's a hundred Did this 521 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: happens one hundred yards from where your sister's body's found 522 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: along with another woman? Cheryl McCollum. Can somebody explain to 523 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: me what's going on? I mean, he just happens to 524 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: me one hundred yards from where her body's found, and 525 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: he's the last one seen with her, right So you 526 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: have two dead bodies right there and a third woman 527 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: attacked within yards, within yards, Nancy. And when law enforcement 528 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: catches up to him and they see the duct tape 529 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: and the hammer and some other things in his car, 530 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: he literally refers to it as a rape kit, doesn't he, Lisa, 531 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think that that was 532 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: found years later when he was on Rightsville Beach. That's 533 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: that even happened years later. So he just denies. Are 534 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: you talking about him having a rape kit? Correct? Okay? 535 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: And to you, Bobby, and could you explain what is 536 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: a rape kit? A rape kit is various things such 537 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: as items to immobilize a victim. There would be things 538 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: like condoms, duct tape, even weapons to cracker skull or 539 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: things of that nature. Do you know that Allison was 540 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: stabbed between twenty seven and forty times. I find it 541 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: very difficult to believe doctor Tim Gallagher that she was 542 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: not raped and then murdered because her jewelry was still 543 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 1: on her, so she wasn't robbed. I believe the husband 544 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: who ends up calling reporting her missing is going to 545 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: be ruled out. It's hard for me to believe doctor 546 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: Gallagher that there is not some type of evidence on 547 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: her body. No DNA, no epiphilial skin cells, no nothing. Well, 548 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: you know, also determines how long she's been exposed to 549 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: the environment before they found her. You know, a lot 550 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: of that stuff could have degraded, a lot of that 551 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: stuff could no longer exist. If her remains were skeletal remains, 552 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: then there would be no soft tissue for the cells 553 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: to exist upon. Yeah, you know, So it just depends 554 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: on how decomposed the body was as to the success 555 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: in finding any of their DNA material. Bob explained to 556 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: me why this case isn't moving forward, especially with a 557 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: similar transaction attempting to rape a hooker a hundred yards 558 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: from her body. Well, let me also say there's another 559 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: amazing coincidence that's not been spoken about. The wife of 560 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: mister iron One reported him to a private detective as 561 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: being a suspect in the disappearance and murder of Allison. 562 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: So when you add it all up, I can't understand 563 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,479 Speaker 1: why District Attorney David hasn't done one of two things. 564 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: Either convened an investigative grand jury or referred this matter 565 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: to the Attorney General of North Carolina if he is 566 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: reluctant to prosecute you know, I want to explore something 567 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: that you just said, that his own wife reported him 568 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: as a suspect in Allison's murderer. What do we know 569 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: about that, Lisa Valentino, Oh, I've I've spoken with Susan 570 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: Irononi multiple times. Yes, this was the place that he 571 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: and his wife used to shoot pool at. The bartenders 572 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: had his private cell number at the pub, and I 573 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: guess one day she went in and she heard all 574 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: these regulars talking about how her husband was responsible for 575 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: Alison going missing. And our private investigator also had a 576 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: radio show at the time still does, called Blue Line Radio, 577 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: and she called into she called she called him, not 578 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: his radio. She she called him and said, what is 579 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: this that I hear that you are all accusing my 580 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: husband Tim having to do something with Alison Foy going missing. 581 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: And she had also emailed me and reached out and said, 582 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: I'm a regular at the bar. Please know that I'm 583 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: praying that they find your sister. So the private investigator 584 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: took it from there and that's how he came on 585 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: the radar was from his wife, Benn Shopman, joining us 586 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: to bhq R. Where does the case stand now? It is, 587 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, a cold case. We've heard 588 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: from multiple people at the wonging Tin Police Apartment. They 589 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 1: believe Timothy Iamy is responsible for Angela Ruston and Alson 590 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: Jackson Foy. And the way the wong Tin Police Apartment 591 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: works with the District Attorney's office, they could legally make 592 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: an arrest, but the DA has basically squashed that. That's 593 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: our understanding. So unless you know the other guests is 594 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: totally right, and unless Ben David either does kenvene in 595 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: grandjury or hands it off to the state, it's not 596 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: going to go anywhere, which is obviously heartbreaking for the 597 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: For Lisa in her family, we wait and pray for 598 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: justice too unfold and the murder of young mom Alison 599 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: Jackson Foy. If you have information, please call three zero 600 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: two five seven six three nine nine zero repeat three zero, 601 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: two five seven six three nine nine zero. It's never 602 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: too late for justice to take place. There is no 603 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 1: statute of limitations on murder. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, 604 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,