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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back together. Buck? How you doing man? Man? I am great.

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Speaker 1: Had a good little weekend. March Madness was fun, even

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Speaker 1: though my team's not in it. I just love and

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Speaker 1: we talked about this before. I just love the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: San Diego State going to the Final four and look, man,

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Speaker 1: their coach Dutch just talking about a defense rebounding, you know,

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Speaker 1: so all of these teams being able to ratchet up

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Speaker 1: When we had the phase of the one and Dunn's

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Speaker 1: And also oh yeah, it also it's also just the

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Speaker 1: gonna be interesting times ahead here in Baltimore. See how

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00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 1: this whole thing shakes out again. We'll see if anybody

427
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,399
Speaker 1: does the offer street thing or is there moving on

428
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: to this next phase of saying, hey, he's not going

429
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 1: to come back. You got to get what you can get.

430
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: Let's let's see if they can come to an agreement.

431
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a combination of picks and players. Who knows,

432
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 1: but they have to start exploring those opportunities because I

433
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 1: do not think you want to go through an entire

434
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 1: offseason with no quarterbacks showing up there. Lamar Jackson is

435
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 1: a wall, and then you're just gonna jump into the

436
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 1: season with a new coordinator and hope that that whole

437
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 1: thing works. Good luck, Yeah, good luck on that. That's

438
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: not a recipe for su says, particularly in the FC North,

439
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 1: no doubt. All right, let's say quick break, we'll come

440
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 1: right back. We'll jump into some draft stuff, all right, Buck,

441
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna jump into some of these draft conversations here,

442
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: looking at some players that maybe we need to revisit.

443
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: Are we too low? Am I personally too low? Get

444
00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 1: your thoughts on it before we do that. The one,

445
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 1: one quick little nugget, and then we'll get to these guys.

446
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: The fact that we are assembled, The league is assembled

447
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: together right now? Do you think that this could be

448
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers thing coming together now that it's solved,

449
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: everybody together here in person. Oh absolutely, because I think

450
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: all of these things. I think all of the stuff

451
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: that we've talked about, the Lamar Jackson conversation, this conversation

452
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 1: that we're about to have about Aaron Rodgers and the Jets. Yes,

453
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: because everyone is together, you see each other, you have

454
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 1: an opportunity to duck to the side room. Hey man,

455
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 1: how can we get this done? Because if I'm the Jets,

456
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: let's get this done. Let's quit kind of dragging this out.

457
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: I think the Eli Moore trade where you got the

458
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: additional second round pick, where you have back to back

459
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: second round picks. To me, I'm Joe d That's what

460
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: I'm offering. Hey man, take these two. You take these twos.

461
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: These twos equal one one. There you go, Yeah, you

462
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 1: got it. Let's go. Let's go to work. Like this

463
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 1: should be enough to be able to get the deal done.

464
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 1: And I think we talked about on the last podcast

465
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: where say, oh, I give you thirteen, you can have thirteen.

466
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep these two twos I'm a par lady.

467
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: These two twos into whatever based on the draft class,

468
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 1: however you want to do it. There's enough capital to

469
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: get this deal done. The Jets need to get it done.

470
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: The Packers should want to move on because you don't

471
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: want EP or seventeenth is dead. Is the day when

472
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: everyone returns to off season workouts. You do not want

473
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: this hanging over the team while you're trying to get

474
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Love in the team. Ready, you gonna have the

475
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: initial press conference where you have to talk about it,

476
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: but at some point you want to get back to business. Yeah,

477
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,439
Speaker 1: put a bow on it. This way. If you have

478
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: kids and you've done youth sports, you know on picture

479
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 1: day they give you that little that little pamphlet and

480
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 1: you can check what the package you like, like the

481
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: Jets have given you. You can have this, You can

482
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: have this, or you can have this just these are

483
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: three different options. Some of it you get it now,

484
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: some of it you get later. You know it wants

485
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: five by seven by tens? Do you want big? Do

486
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: you want a big one? You want the big one,

487
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 1: the big Do you want the big one two? Or

488
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: do we just all those other things? Do we get

489
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: the stand up the holder where you can slide an,

490
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: get a little pender, get a little whatever it is. Oh.

491
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: I think sometimes they can make T shirts, they can

492
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: put want a magnet from that fridge, got you that's

493
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick magnet. They need to be able

494
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 1: to get this done. The jets in the backge should

495
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: be motivated to get it done. I think both sides

496
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: want a resolution so they can go forward and kind

497
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: of focus on the team that they have in hand.

498
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: So let's get it done over this week. All right,

499
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: let's get to some players here. Uh let's start here

500
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: at the corner position. I went through and highlighted a

501
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: guy I might be not quite as high on, but

502
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: guys that I need to revisit. The one for me

503
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 1: was Cam Smith from South Carolina. Buck Um just a

504
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: ton of penalties was what turned me off a little bit.

505
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: He had ten penalties. Thought it was just a little

506
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 1: too grabby A real fluid, smooth athlete. But that was

507
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: that was my hang up there. I can see that,

508
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: And you know, here's the thing I go back in.

509
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: You know, you watch them a few different times and

510
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: terrific in zone coverage. I love the physicality and toughness

511
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: you're right about the grab happiness, the handsy part of

512
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: his game, but can you clean that up? It's funny

513
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: we got I got a new mock draft coming out,

514
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: and I think I may have put him with the

515
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens because it's surprised to the thing maybe at

516
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: twenty two and the reason why you lose Marcus Peters.

517
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald wants to play more zone than pure man demand.

518
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: To me, he's a vision and break corner come down,

519
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: he can tackle, He's tough on us on the edges.

520
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: All those things that we talked about are kind of

521
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: new thing. He's a very very good player. I think

522
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: I've wrote on the notebook because I know we talked

523
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: about grades and grading systems and those things. I think

524
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: I had him as a borderline first second rounder because yeah,

525
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: I didn't give him the like the last grade that

526
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: would put you in the first round and put him

527
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: like at the top of the second round, because I

528
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: think he'd be a solid starter. I don't know if

529
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: I necessarily for casting to be an All Star, All

530
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: Pro player, but I think hes pretty good. I think

531
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: he's gonna start and contribute right away. So yeah, I

532
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: think it's going to be fascinating. I gave him the

533
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: same grade as his teammate Darius Rush is over an

534
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: inch taller, he's eighteen pounds heavier, his arms are two

535
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: inches longer, and he ran four three six to the

536
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: four four three for cam Smith. And you got to

537
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: see him at at the Senior Bowl where he had

538
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: a really good week. So that was maybe that's part

539
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: of it too, is like I'm like, is this the

540
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: right South Carolina corner? I see see, I know what

541
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: you're saying. See, because here's what happens when you have

542
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: those things, and I think people have to understand it.

543
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: So when you're grading and you begin to kind of

544
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: put your grades in and you begin to write your

545
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: notes in and you kind of put like, for me,

546
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: I put that little six six to five, Okay, When

547
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: I have that player, it's kind of the marker. And

548
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: so anybody that I feel like is not quite there,

549
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: they can't go above and they can't get a grade

550
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: higher than that. It's so because you're talking about the

551
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: corner on the other side, having more, more size, more speed,

552
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: played well at the Senior Bowl, it's hard for you

553
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: to get off of that. Yeah, And it makes sense

554
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 1: now teammates because you see every snap, every snap. Oh,

555
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: did you think about thinking about the number of guys

556
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: going back to our scouting days when we were in

557
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: the league, buck about how many times we saw the

558
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: other guy? You know, it was Carry Colberts that ended

559
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 1: up being a better player than the who was he

560
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: with Jared? Was that who he was in the classroom?

561
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: J There was like the sidekick receiver had been better

562
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: than the main guy a bunch during that run, that

563
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: period of time. Yeah, there is something to that, and

564
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily that you're gambling on upside. But we

565
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: always talk about one of the most important things in

566
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: the evaluation is fit in scheme. How does this player

567
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: fit within your scheme? You're talking about bigger, faster, stronger. Um,

568
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about a guy who played in the same defense,

569
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: so you can see them do similar things. They're asked

570
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: to play the same way. That makes sense. I can

571
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: understand it. I can understand the sticking point even know

572
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Camp Smith's a pretty good player. No,

573
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: he's player, but that's one for me. The safety position,

574
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: it was Daniel Scott from cal who I know we

575
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: both like. He ran Gosh, he ran well, he ran

576
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: four four five. I gave him a sixty one, which

577
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: is like third round, fourth round range. But he can

578
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: make plays over the top. He's a good blitzer. I

579
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: thought he struggled a little bit man coverage. You saw

580
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: that in Notre Dame against Mayor. He's gonna be twenty

581
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 1: five years old, buck. But I feel like in this

582
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: draft class there's a number of those guys where in

583
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: years past, maybe ding them a little more. I don't

584
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: think quite as much this year. It's just because of

585
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: where we are. Yeah, the covidear changes everything because you

586
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 1: do have older guys inter the league. Let's also be

587
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: honest when it comes to this class, good that great

588
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: really good players necessarily the great players at the top.

589
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: And so when we're saying that, maybe our the exploration

590
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: data on the prospects are different. Instead of thinking like, hey,

591
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: this is gonna be our four or five year, seven

592
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: year player, maybe it's if he gets to the end

593
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: the contract, okay, solid contributor, backup, if if he if

594
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: he grows into more cool maybe we don't have the

595
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: expectations that he'll get to a second deal and we're

596
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: thinking to hearing, now, what can he help us do

597
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: right now, um, and then we'll move on because, as

598
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: we've said, the next couple of classes are gonna be

599
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: loaded with players that are blue Chippers because it evens

600
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: out after the COVID year. Yeah, it's kind of like

601
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: there Derek Jeter with his girlfriends. You know, Hey, here's

602
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: your gift basket. Appreciate it. It's been fun. Uh, wish

603
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: you the best, and we're moving on. You got a

604
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: legit gift asking. We're gonna apologize. If you're listening, we apologize.

605
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: We're putting you out there. You now I have you know,

606
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: your daughters and all that, your girl, girl, dad and

607
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: all that. So I remember hearing that being like, huh,

608
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: what a gift basket. It's a parting gift anyway. That's

609
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: crazy at a time where we talked early in the

610
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: podcast about Lamar Jackson and making sure that you feel

611
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: welcome and appreciated, and Derrek Jeter got it as an

612
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: executive because he lived it in his personal life. He

613
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: showed appreciation that he was involved with. I remember thinking like,

614
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: that can't be true, and they're like, oh, yeah, that

615
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: was absolutely true. Okay, alrighty defensive tackles Buck this one

616
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: is just outside my top fifty. He's making he's making

617
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot of noise to get in my top fifty. Again,

618
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 1: everything I like about him. I have tons of notes here.

619
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: It's all positive, very few negatives. Keanu Benten from Wisconsin,

620
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, can play up and down the line. I

621
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: didn't think he was a great finisher in terms of,

622
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, production wise, but really disruptive and some explosiveness there.

623
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: And I think it's just hard to find these three

624
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: hundred pounders that can move like that and can get

625
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: up the field very hard. Try our player really good.

626
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: You understand what you're getting. We're not talking about scouting

627
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: to Hillman, but you gotta understand the brand player that

628
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: you get in from Wisconsin. He's terrific on the inside.

629
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: You see the size, you get the physicality and toughness.

630
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: That's more than enough for player. You talked about him

631
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: in the top fifty. That pushs you squarely in the

632
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: second round, second third round player to me, that's where

633
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: I had him rated at. Yeah, there you go. Let's

634
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: get to the edge rushers here. Edge rushers. A couple

635
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: guys here. Lonnie Phelps from Kansas. He's one of those guys.

636
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: All right, buck the grade that I have, I gave

637
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: him a six zero, which again it's like that puts

638
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: him like fourth fifth round range, you know, typically, But

639
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: then I look at it. Okay, six two and a

640
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: half two hundred and forty four pounds, he ran four

641
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: five five, which is outstanding. He's got nine sacks. He's twitchy.

642
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: On the tape. You see some push poll, you'll see

643
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: some long arm, he splits doubles. I didn't think he

644
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: was a great bender at the top, which maybe I

645
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: dinged him a little too hard on that. But you've

646
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: got somebody that's got production that tested really well and

647
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: plays and has some you know, has some tricks in

648
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: his back. He's a good he's a skilled rusher. He's

649
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: just not a real bender. But I thought I highlighted

650
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: him as somebody got to revisit a little bit and

651
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: probably move up a little bit. Yeah. You know, when

652
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: when you get into these things, you know, and I say, DJ,

653
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: this is a tough part about being a media scout

654
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: as opposed to a team, because when you're working with

655
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: a team, you can look at where you're at on

656
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: your depth chart, you can look at what's on the

657
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: roster and you can slide him in in terms of,

658
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: here's what he would be for us, Here's how we

659
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: would play within the rotation. Here's the potential development plan.

660
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: Have a couple of guys they're going to be free

661
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: agents in the year or so. He'll be able to

662
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: step in. Maybe he becomes a starter, maybe he just

663
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: becomes a situational player that helps us in a few

664
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: different areas. When you're doing what we're doing is we

665
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury being able to look at roster,

666
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: so we can talk about in general, here's where he's at.

667
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: Here's the development, Here's what he could be on the

668
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: high end, here's what he could be on the low end.

669
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: What does that fit? And typically that is fourth round

670
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: range because that's where all the developmental prospects should go.

671
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: No doubt. Linebacker wise, Jack Campbell is in my top fifty.

672
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: He was number fifty actually in my last update. He's

673
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: six four five, two hundred forty nine pounds, ran four

674
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: sixty five. That's a big, rangey guy. I thought he

675
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: was a little rigid and stiff and some of the

676
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: change of direction stuff when you watched him. I thought

677
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: coverage stuff was what worried me. A little bit. But

678
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: this guy is he's pretty instinctive. He's a great leader.

679
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: They love him at Iowa, and just that size is,

680
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot to navigate in the middle

681
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: of the field. And I've had two people tell me

682
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: this over the last month that said, don't sleep on

683
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: Jack Campbell to Buffalo. At the bottom of the first round,

684
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: they lost Tremaine Edmonds. They lost their big, rangy middle linebacker.

685
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: And that is the big kind of rangey middle linebacker

686
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: in this class. Do not sleep on him to Buffalo.

687
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: So that's that's one for you. Okay, let's think about

688
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Buffalo and let's think about the kind of guys that

689
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: they have drafted. Traditionally, they drafted the culture, meaning tough,

690
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: hard working, extremely competitive guys that are kind of no nonsense,

691
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: take care of business types. Tremaine Edmands goes out. You

692
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: look at some of the other guys that they've brought

693
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: in in recent years. We saw Greg Rousseau play. We've

694
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: seen aj epinessa Iowa guy coming and play. We've seen

695
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: Boogie Basham be drafted by the team. Even Ed Oliver,

696
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: even though some people are down on him. Ed Oliver

697
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: no nonsense, kind of go about their business, and so

698
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: when you think about what they want to do, it

699
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: makes sense because this fits how Sean McDermott runs his team.

700
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: It also fits Sean mcdermot's personality. This is a really

701
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: he's a good player, tackling machine side on the sideline. Yes,

702
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: you talk about the rigidity that he displays, but the

703
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: numbers pop man when you watch him play. He also

704
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: has the ability to get to the quarterback. All right,

705
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm typing this in the chat so you can see

706
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: it right here. They can you just read the three

707
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: things that I just read those out a lout for it.

708
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: But McDermott Bean Campbell? Okay, Now, who has been training

709
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Jack Campbell in the run up to the draft? Buck? Oh,

710
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: I don't know who. Luke Keithley, Huh. It takes me

711
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: a while, but I started connecting these dots here and

712
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: I'm going we'll wait a second. Hold on now there's

713
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Anne Dan. Yes, yeah, it's be able to get on

714
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: the phone if he gets picked by Buffalo. Can the

715
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: bill just rack this little because it was literally like

716
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: you just saw the light bulb in real time. The

717
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: light bulb came on. Yeah, I think we're going to

718
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: solve this little riddle right here. No, that's great connections.

719
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: And you know at DJ we we've been this. We

720
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: here and talk to trainers and people that are dealing

721
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: with these guys on the daily basis. They give us

722
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: insights and tips and tools, like we hear about guys

723
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: that the first one in, last one out, guys that

724
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: have a tough time tracking down to get them to

725
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: work out where air filter is also into the league.

726
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: And so that's great intel and insight. You're right, Campbell,

727
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: working with Luke Keickley, if anyone is going to know

728
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: everything about him as a player, if anyone's going to

729
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: be would to say, hey, what do you Sean mc

730
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: whenever gonna trust more than Luke Keickley? Right, makes a

731
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: lot of sense. So a lot of it. We just

732
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: we just solved a riddle live on the podcast right there, Corners,

733
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: we already talked about now offensive line wise, Uh, you know,

734
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: we don't need to go in depth here. I know

735
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: we're getting a little bit long here. And but bergeron

736
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: from Syracuse, I really like him. I know you've liked him.

737
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: We've talked about him in the past. Again, good good size,

738
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: good tape, good all star game just just outside the

739
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: top of fifty. Um, he's gonna he's got a chance

740
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: to creep in and find his way in their interior

741
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Um, oh gosh here, oh John Gaines from UCLA.

742
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: I had a low grade on him. But good size,

743
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, plenty of length, good workout. Um hash you know,

744
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: kind of wrestles guys. He's physical, he's tough. So just

745
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: another one to kind of reap visit. It's interesting just

746
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: the process when you go through this and you just

747
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: kind of see you scroll down, you look at some

748
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: of the numbers, and then you look at the notes

749
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: and then if you have a DNA match where it's like, okay,

750
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: pretty good number, the notes aren't bad, let's revisit them now.

751
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: And that's what you're supposed to do. And I know

752
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: everyone kind of wonders how the draft process goes when

753
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: it comes to setting the board and those things. Yeah,

754
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: you have the board, it said, it's not all the

755
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: way in concrete because you still have time, you still

756
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: have your pro days. And what we're saying is you

757
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: don't make sweeping changes based on how one how someone

758
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: works out, but a great workout should take you back

759
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: to the tape. Maybe you just need to do another look.

760
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: See maybe there's some things that you see the second

761
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: run up, the second evaluation, that you didn't necessarily see

762
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: the first evaluation. And so it's not uncommon for draft

763
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: for scouts to kind of tweak their grades and tweak

764
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: their reports based on an extra study and extra examination.

765
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: All right, Buck, I'll give you a running back and

766
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: then i'll give you a receiver. The running back is

767
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: the Eric Prince from Tulsa. Not a lot of production

768
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: there in the pass game, but he's got long speed.

769
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: He was one of those guys I was trying to say, Okay,

770
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: who's Pacheco. Who's a guy that I might be low

771
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: on that's got some height, weight speed, has some size

772
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: to him, and then has some juice. And this the

773
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: notes looked a little similar here, just in terms of tightness.

774
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: Some of the change direction stuff I didn't love. I

775
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't love change direction on Pacheco either, But you've got

776
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixteen pounds running four four one and

777
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: runs physical and runs hard. So that's what I was

778
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: looking for. That's why I got to go back and

779
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: watch some more of that kid. Yeah, a little more

780
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: of a straight line runner. But you talked about it

781
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: death speed and the Pacheco thing is going to help.

782
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: This is a year where you have so many backs.

783
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: Running backs in this draft class is about finding guys

784
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: to fit certain roles in your backfield. He'll have an

785
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: opportunity to make his mark because that speed, this size combination.

786
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: Hard to find those guys that can run in that

787
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: home run explosion. People are gonna be looking for that

788
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: after watching Zaia Proteco have so much success with the

789
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: kensity Chiefs. And last one for me, give you a

790
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: receiver tight endwise, I felt pretty good about that group,

791
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: but receiver wise, Jaden Reid from Michigan State liked him

792
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. He can turn punts and kicks.

793
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: He ran four four to five hundred and eighty seven pounds,

794
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: a little under five to eleven. But a really good

795
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: player just reads well. When you look at the numbers,

796
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: then you read the comments. He reads really well. I

797
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: gave him a sixty one, which is that third fourth

798
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: round range. I mean, it wouldn't shock me based off

799
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: how he reads and what he looks like there if

800
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: somehow he found his way into the bottom of second round.

801
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: You know, the wide receiver position is really interesting because

802
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily loaded with the it's a generational talents

803
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: at the top. But good players, good players that slide

804
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: into those roles W two, W three like wide receiver two,

805
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: wide receiver three, wide receiver four. This is a guy

806
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: that is that wide receiver three that can I also

807
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: give you some contributions and special teams and those things.

808
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: Depending on how teams view how many receivers they want

809
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: to carry. You talk about they grade me anywhere from

810
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: second round to fourth round. That will impact his position

811
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: and when he comes off the board. Yeah, I do

812
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: love I love the toughness that he brings. And again

813
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: just another guy. Go back through and maybe just watch

814
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more on the quarterback wise with Jared

815
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: Hall from b yu ya. He's a good player, and

816
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: get a chance to visit with John Beckam more about him.

817
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: I think he's intriguing. I love the nugget on him

818
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: buck that he uh you know, played played both sports

819
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: up there, playing baseball, had a game winning hit in

820
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: the baseball game playing center field, and then was in

821
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: a spring ball practice later that day. So um, I

822
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: love that kind of stuff, man. So that's one that

823
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: I'd go back and just watch a little bit more

824
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: on Yeah, you know it's funny he uh, he has

825
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: some stuff about him and he tried to go. I

826
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: want to say that he was heard. Man, he was

827
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: at the senior. He was at the senior, so he

828
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: couldn't couldn't really couldn't really go. And um, but he

829
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: is a talented player. You look at the numbers that

830
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: he put up at BYU, you look at some of

831
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: the stuff that he brings. Not the biggest guy, but uh,

832
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: this is definitely a place for him. And you know,

833
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: a DJ, everyone's gonna be looking for the next Brock,

834
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: pretty type guy who was the sleeper that helped him

835
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: for sure, no doubt. Um, all right, went all along today,

836
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: But it was fun digging into that conversation. Little mar

837
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: stuff dropped last minute, so we had to cover that.

838
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: It's been fun bucks great to catch up. Weeks just

839
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: getting started. We've got Opening Day Thursday again San Diego

840
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: States in the final four Charger. The Chargers, even though

841
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: they're in Los Angeles now, still very popular here in

842
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: San Diego. I feel like this could be a big

843
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: year for them. And then in between we get the

844
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: Potters winning the World Series. Buck Come on, stuff man,

845
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: that's the traffic to the San Diego Just the year

846
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: of San Diego, year to five. There you go. Yeah,

847
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: we'll see. Although it looks I could rain on opening day.

848
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: That's not a good open all right. That's gonna do

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Speaker 1: for us. Purchase you guys hanging with us, We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Right here on moving to Stas