1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: Have you. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, it's Matt and I'm very excited to let 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: you know that my debut album, Have You Heard Of Christmas? 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: Is out Friday, November three. Stream it everywhere in anywhere. 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: You do that and order the vinyl online. 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Now. I've also got new merch and tickets to my 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: tour at www dot Matt rogersofficial dot com starting December 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: first in Philly and wrapping up December twenty third in 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: New York City. Again, check out www. 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: Dot Matt Rogersofficial dot com for all the new music, 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: merch and tour info. 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: Very exciting. 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: It's officially Christmas, and now my gift. 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: To you a podcast. Look mare, oh, I see you 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: my own and look over there is that culture Yes, goodness, wow, 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: last culture ding dong, last cultureistas calling. Both of us 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: have had I would say a rough night. 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: You had the Sunday scaries. You said I had the 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: Sunday scaries. I've never heard you say you ever have 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: the Sunday scary. I always have the Sunday scaries. It's 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: really bad. I power through it, you know what I mean? Yeah, 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: Well you must. In a high pressure environment where it's 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: high octane, the comedy comes hard. 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: And fast. 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: It's not even about the work, it's just something about Monday. Yeah, 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what is on the schedule. Hm, I'm 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: freaking well. Can I do a people behind the curtain? 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: Yes. 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: So you said to me outside that you have the 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: Sunday scaries and I was like why, and I could 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: sense that it was because you want to do a great 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 2: job for Emma. I do want to come, I said, 33 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: you have to Birthday twins to Birthday twins. 34 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: Well, she's exactly two years older. Okay, Well, first of all, 35 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: you're you're dating her. Oh no, I don't mean going 36 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: out for dinner. It's me Emma ethan Hawk really on 37 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: November sex that is so prestige and county. It's the 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: only caliber I'll ever be in with them. 39 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: Quickly googling that's not true, Ethnically googling March fifth Famous birthdays. 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: You don't know this at the top of your head. 41 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 3: No. 42 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: I think it's because it's kind of like lame. Oh 43 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: my god, wait, no Oscar nominee Adriana Barazza Adrianna Babel 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: of course? Wait wait was Adriana nominated the same year 45 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: as Ringo K. 46 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: Well, when you're in the same film. That's often what 47 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 2: happens is you get nominated the same year. Oh my god, wait, 48 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Kevin Connolly of Entourage, I can okay. 49 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: Wait, you are Babel and Entourage combined. 50 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: Model Nikki Taylor Pendulette Pendultte, Talia Balsam, actress Talia Balsam. 51 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 52 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: These are so Matt Rogers code is. I've always felt 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: connected to actress Talia Balsam. 54 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: Do you know who I'm talking about? 55 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 2: I do know Talia bals She's sort of like in 56 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: so many projects, but like not a household name, and 57 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 2: I think, even disrespectfully, she's known to some as John 58 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: Slattery's wife, which is true disrespect but she. 59 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: Was his wife on mad Men. 60 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: She was his wife on mad Men, and I think 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: she got the row end of the deal there, which 62 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: any woman dating anyone on mad Man was getting the 63 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: wrong You're a woman on mad Man, good Luck unless 64 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: your name was Peggy Olsen. You were arm candy periods. 65 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: This is real culture number fifty nine. If you're a 66 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: woman on mad Man, good Luck, unless your name is 67 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: Peggy Olson otherwise your candy period period. 68 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: It's a long one, yeah, but I think it was 69 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: a true one. And this episode is going to be 70 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: long but true. Yes, this episode. 71 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: Is flirting with Honesty's own vibes because I wanted to 72 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: say I wanted. 73 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: To do people behind the curtain. 74 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: We're doing people behind the curtain. It is Honesty's own vibes. 75 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: I think we're both coming in on a similar like, 76 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: oh hey, good morning girl wavelength and I think that's 77 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: actually beautiful setup. So you had the Sunday scaries and 78 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: didn't sleep. Yeah, I are going to be like Matt 79 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: social to do a bit et cetera when I say this, 80 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: and I literally agree, I'd forgotten to take my Lexapro 81 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: for four days. I think what happened was I'm dumb 82 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: and not that smart without tools to remind myself to 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: take it and buy without tools to remind myself to 84 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: take it. 85 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't literally just use my phone again on. 86 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: A schedule, but I literally feel like you know, in 87 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: like Mario Kart, where you get like the poison mushroom 88 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: and you drive backwards when you try to drive forwards, 89 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: and like this must be double dash because I don't 90 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: know this girl. I don't know that mushroom. 91 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: See even me trying to make that metaphor come across 92 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: like to read like it's sort of but I know 93 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: what you mean. 94 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: I feel like woozy down and I just I fear 95 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 2: for what it's going to have me absolutely say on 96 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: the episode. 97 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: Am I going to be saying the truth? Honey? 98 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: That's what I'll say you finally the truth. Finally the truth. 99 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 2: I said to bowing off Air. I was like, I 100 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: think you need to do The Actress part two. 101 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: Oh, that's yeah, we're talking about m A. Stone. 102 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: I think The Actress Part two would only disappoint. And 103 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: it's no, it is such a perfect I'm not like 104 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: gassing at my own work here, but it's like the 105 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: way that that was conceived and written and made and 106 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: shot and everything was like so pure and like it 107 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: was me and Julio like coming together. 108 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: I think he would admit to this. 109 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: He would have to admit to it. Oh, he would 110 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: proudly say it. No, he would say that. But I'm 111 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 2: just saying, like, this is how I am with any sequel. 112 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: M hm. You know. 113 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I famously kind of hate when sketches are 114 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: force fed on SNL as like recurring bits. I think 115 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: there's been some amazing bits that just not for nothing, 116 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: but kind of like overstay their welcome a. 117 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: Touch, it's always diminishing return. 118 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: And here's what I would say. The actress is not 119 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: one of those things. And this is my pitch for 120 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 2: the sketch. And am I dooming it by saying it 121 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: probably won't happen if you say it on this Yeah, 122 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 2: you kind of are doing it. But I think that's okay. 123 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: I've already like rolled that out, so I pitched it 124 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: and he's already ruled it down. Now now it's a 125 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: safe place for me to pitch it here. I think 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: this would be iconic. Everyone's gonna agree. The actress too. 127 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: Starts with the actress that Emmastone plays in the first sketch. 128 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: She's now hugely successful. We see like her boudoir is 129 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: filled with oscars. She's got like six oscars, And I 130 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: all say, what's her. 131 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: Name in the schedule? Oh my god, does she not 132 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: have a name? She does? 133 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 2: Actually, no, she does have a name. She does have 134 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: a name, and I just her name is Grace Grace. 135 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: So we see that Grace, who is known in Hollywood 136 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: mononymously as Grace. She has won six oscars, all for lead. Okay, 137 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: she's Emma Stone, she's emistone a fifteen. 138 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: Like, she's the biggest actress in Hollywood. And they come 139 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: to her with a pitch for another film with Ty Mitchell, 140 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: and she says, I don't know if I can go 141 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: back to that place, and they convince her and we 142 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: see her doing Lady Gaga method on the set, and 143 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: I just feel like we all would love to rest 144 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: into this world, and I have doomed it by pitching 145 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: it here. 146 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: No, you haven't. You have every ideas over here. 147 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: No, if I get an idea from Matt, everyone must 148 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 2: know that it's mana from heaven. To me, this is 149 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: someone here. Can I just say, mind your manas Mondy 150 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: Manna's Matt and I. You and I have not had 151 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: a chance to really sit down and like dig into 152 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: something creatively in a long time until recently. Not gonna 153 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: reveal too much, but I gotta say I'm blown away 154 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: by this girl. You are very good at this. You 155 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: know what they say is if you want something done, 156 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 2: give it to a busy person. 157 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: When I'm in busy mode. 158 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: You are the busiest you've ever been. Well, you were 159 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: just in London. I would say that this wasn't a 160 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: runway for that discussion, I do feel very busy. What 161 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: I'm saying is I feel like I've been able to 162 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: be productive because I'm already inuyzon. 163 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: It's inertia, You're already in motion. 164 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 2: Whereas and I don't know if you and the readers 165 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: agree with this, but when I am given license to 166 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: do nothing, I think I am the biggest waste of 167 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: space on the planet, Like I will just lay around. 168 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: And the way that I feel this morning because of 169 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: how I treated my body yesterday with food and more 170 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: like and the lack of inertia, I feel fifty eight 171 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: years old this morning, and I think it's a little 172 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: bit didn't take them meds a little bit ate very 173 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: badly yesterday. Also, we drank last night at the game. 174 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: We did because we were sort of at the Nets 175 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: game sitting courtside. We were sitting court side and like 176 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: Jack Nicholson, like Jack Nicholson and fucking Michelle Pfeiffer. I 177 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: want to say, did I think she would look thumbing? 178 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: Did they go to a basketball game together at one 179 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: point in the nineties. I think they did maybe. And 180 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: today this morning we woke up feeling like Julianne Moore 181 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: at the game, that meme of her going, wait, really. 182 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: Is there a meme I've heard about? You know the meme? 183 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I did. 184 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: It's like they cut to her, it's like stars at 185 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: the game, and she's like fully dissociating. 186 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: Like speaking of Julian Moore it. 187 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, well, your picture of the 188 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: actress too reminded me of May December, like an actress 189 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: playing an actress taking it so seriously, yeah, that's just 190 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: May December in a nutshell. So I sort of said 191 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: what I felt about my December. And I don't think 192 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: we're gonna get into spoilers because May December is going 193 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 2: to be widely available to watch, I believe Oncembers in 194 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: a couple weeks or soon. Wow yeah on Friday, so 195 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: very soon. But you can see it in theater. Is 196 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: now your thoughts on May December. Let's just go and 197 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: meebirth this bitch. I loved it. You know what I 198 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: had to do what I saw May December and Denver 199 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: at Landmark Strait's Artists and you went by yourself. I 200 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: went by myself. This is a good solo movie theater. Oh, 201 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: it's a perfect solo movie. The theater was full of 202 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: I would say, lovely elderly people with taste, cephiles, cinophiles 203 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: who for some reason still don't know how to behave 204 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: at the theater. Well, let me guess, a lot of 205 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 2: unwrapping of shit, a lot of talking, a lot of 206 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: k so what I had to do. And also the 207 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: sound was not turned high enough in the space. I 208 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: was sitting in front of two women who were crinkling 209 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 2: the fuck out of their plastics. There's not enough talk 210 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 2: about crinkle culture. There's not We need to stop it 211 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: with the crinkling. 212 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: One of the rudest things you could do is a 213 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: glip out of package and crinkle the night away. While 214 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: Julian Moore is speaking, Obviously, they're very in the cure, 215 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: very insecure. I'm very secure. 216 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: So with your thoughts on her lisp, I admit it 217 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: to you, and I it brings me great shame to 218 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: say this. I did not clock that she had a 219 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 2: lisp until two thirds of the way through the movie, 220 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: until the end of Act two. 221 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: You're so brave to sell your arms. Contra, you're a 222 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: modern woman. You're a modern woman. So interesting how you're 223 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: a modern woman doesn't have any s there's no lists. Yeah, no, 224 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: she wanted that one to land boys can be hard, 225 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: boy can be Hardy, can be hard, can be hard? 226 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: I love that line. 227 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot of boys can be hard is a 228 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 2: perfect so okay, not spoiler territory, but just to give 229 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: some context for people. 230 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: And this movie was written, I told you. I started 231 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: reading the screenplay a couple of years ago. 232 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 2: It was on the black List, and people were like, 233 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: oh my god, this movie the screenplay made December is crazy. 234 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: Like everyone should read it. 235 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: And I started it and then realized in watching the movie, 236 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I this is familiar. It's about Natalie 237 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: Portman play this television actress. I love how it's specifically 238 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 2: she's a TV actress and not necessarily. 239 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: Looking to break through in this independent film. So perfect. Yeah, 240 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: informs so much about this. 241 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 2: She wears a hat that I can only describe as 242 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: a hat that an actress wears. She comes to this town. 243 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: So basically it's based on like the Mary Kayla Turno scandal. Yeah, 244 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: so basically, like it's about a woman played by Julian 245 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: Moore who's married to fir student. Well that wasn't a student, 246 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: it was that they were Oh, she ran a pet shop. 247 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: She ran a pet shop and started fucking her employee, 248 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: who was a teen boy. I believe he was in 249 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: eighth grade. He was in the seventh grade. I got 250 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 2: to mix up because there's not spoiler. At one point 251 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: in the movie, he in the seventh grade writes her 252 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: a card, yes for an assignment. So I for a 253 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: second I thought teacher, But yes, so pet shop. 254 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: She runs a pet shop. 255 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: She starts fucking her child employee, and basically she goes 256 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: to jail. But they get married, and so we meet 257 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: them when Natalie Portman, who plays a TV actress who's 258 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: going to play her in a film, has. 259 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: Gone to this small, small, small like island town they 260 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: live in to start show Georgia. 261 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, small island town. 262 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: It's by the water. In my head, it was a 263 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: small island town. 264 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: Okay, well it might have been like Hilton Head or something. 265 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: But anyway, they're very isolated. 266 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: In this town. 267 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a comfortable place for them to live because 268 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: they don't really get bothered, like you can imagine, like 269 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: this woman has like been through obviously like international shaming 270 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: because she's a rapist who is married to this child 271 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 2: who's now a grown adult. They have kids, and Natalie 272 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: goes to the town to shadow her and watch her 273 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: because she wants to really do justice to her. 274 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: In this independent film, She's playing Julianne in. 275 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: And the relationship gets more and more complicated as the 276 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: shadowing proceeds. There is a lovely layer that is not 277 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: to I thought it was gonna be very heavy handed, 278 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 2: but there's a great thing of like to it. There 279 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: are like piano stings and like Lynchian like frames and cuts. 280 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: It's to Hayes and it's very Toddy. 281 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: Yes, it's very Todd Haynes, and I loved it, but yeah, 282 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: what else is there to say? I'm the lisp, But yeah, 283 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: I just didn't clock the Lisp because I was just 284 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: so captivated, like everything melted away. I was just like, 285 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm watching two people I love come 286 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: together and do that. 287 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: And then Charles Milton a revelation. 288 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: Charles Melton has one scene in particular where I was 289 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 2: like really really like overwhelmed by his talent. I was like, 290 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: this is crazy, like between him, I guess, and Jacoba Lordie, 291 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: It's like this year is like when you listen with 292 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 2: two of them like are now being taken very seriously 293 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 2: as dramatic actors, and with good reason, because I would say, like, 294 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: even with Julianne Moore and Natalie Portman in this movie 295 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: Killing It, and Natalie has a scene, one scene. 296 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: In particular, Yes, she has a monologue. 297 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: Scene where she's playing Julianne and like doing a monologue 298 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: as her, which after Greta and I watched it, I 299 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: turned to Greta and she was just like, I mean, 300 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: if there was any doubt she is totally one of 301 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: the best. 302 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: That we have. And I was like, when Natalie snaps in, 303 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: everyone else is found out. It's really compelling. 304 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: But Charles Milton, I think, gives it the performance that 305 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: you really remember because ultimately, Jamie Lee Curtis, this movie 306 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: is about trauma, yes, and exploitation and how you really 307 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: can't when something like this is inflicted on someone like 308 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: it never leaves them. And yes, what do you think 309 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: about it being classified as a comedy at the Golden PRS. 310 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: I was thinking about that the entire time because Matt 311 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: brought this up last episode with Seth Meyers. 312 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: It's so jarring. I can't believe that. 313 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: But I also am like I can't believe it's not 314 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: getting more inwards buzz. It's kind of getting lost in 315 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: the mix because everything else is sort of like, it's 316 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: hard to market this movie. I guess to like a 317 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: bigger award watching on Well. Weirdly enough, the Academy has 318 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: always like had like a polite respect for Todd Haynes, 319 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: but they've never gone kuckoo bananas over really anything he's 320 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: ever done. 321 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: Like Carrol kind of got nothing too. 322 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it got its nominations, and I think that 323 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: the ones that got were like the inevitable ones. And 324 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: I think that people obviously are truly fanatical about that movie, 325 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: like there's a certain brand of gay that is their 326 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: favorite film. And Carol's certainly great, cap blinnch Had is amazing, 327 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: Rooney Mara is great. But this movie, I think maybe 328 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: it's the subject matter. It's just a little dire and 329 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: very uncomfortable, and you sort of leave the movie, especially 330 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: the last scene, feeling really jarred because the last scene 331 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: is is a reveal. 332 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it to be a reveal. I think 333 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: it's a reveal. I think that is the comedic thing. Yeah, 334 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: it reminded me of Tar honestly, in many ways, many 335 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,359 Speaker 1: many ways, Like this is ridiculous. 336 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes a turn at the end that you're like, 337 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: and the whole thing it actually begs for a rewatch 338 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: in many ways, the same way Tar did, because you 339 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: watch it and you're like wait what yes, yes, and 340 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: that to me, like I can honestly say, like where 341 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: we're really calling this a satire and it is. I 342 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: kind of get it as a comedy, but like it's 343 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: just so weird to think about this subject matter being 344 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: up against like what like no hard feelings and like. 345 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: Right, like you know what I mean, Like you know, 346 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: the Golden Globes is gonna be like jylaw and no 347 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: hard feelings and like what Natalie in May December, Like honestly. 348 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: Kinda Natalie is hilarious in it. She's hilarious, but it's 349 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: not the kids. Are they all out of la not 350 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: sexy enough? 351 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: You're spoiling the whole thing. 352 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if I am you. This is the 353 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: thing about Matt he everyone listen up. She points the 354 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: finger when it comes to spoiling. Oh, shut the fuck up, 355 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: but you spoil. First of all, I would like to 356 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: think what I do. Don't tell me to shut the pelsies, 357 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: So how dare you? The other day I was I 358 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: was at a party that was hosted by our friend 359 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: Matt Whitaker, and I started singing a little bit and 360 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: Jared turned to me from across the room and said, Matt, 361 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: and he goes like this, like telling me that tell 362 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: me the silence literally, And. 363 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: I said, shut up, Yeah, Jared, that's not okay, don't. 364 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: I would never do that to you. Have I ever 365 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: told you to quiet down? Yeah, but not like I've 366 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: never trauma way. I've never across the room. 367 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: At an event been like, hey, that's we love Jared obviously, 368 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 2: but that's well. Then he told me he was kidding. 369 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: He loves my singing, but that's not the way to 370 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: show love. Speaking of Jared, tonight, we are going to 371 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 2: a screening of The Color Purple. Oh my god, I 372 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 2: can't wait for you to see. I can't wait to 373 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: see myself. I'm really excited. So did you know I 374 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: didn't know much about this direct Let's buzzer woule a. 375 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 2: So he worked on Blackest King. Oh and so I 376 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 2: had never heard of him before. But then I realized, 377 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: though I've obviously seen and enjoyed his work, and I 378 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: am very I've always been excited because you know that 379 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: I saw Fantasia on stage. 380 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: Do the color person do you remember this? 381 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: And then I think Taraji is kind of a perfect 382 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: shug and all the buzz about the supporting actresses Aboutdanielle Brooks, who, 383 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I've never been like super 384 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: emphatic about but maybe it's just because I haven't seen 385 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: her in the right thing. Sure I say this having 386 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: seen all of oranges in New Black, but excited for that. 387 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: But Orders to New Black is an interesting show because 388 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: it was such an ensemble moment, like there was no 389 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: person to really like focused your scope on. 390 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: Some people like. 391 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: Really popped to me in that show, and for some reason, 392 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: like just Tasty was not one of the characters that 393 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: was popping to me, Like I felt like, what was 394 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: her name? God, it's been so long, but the one 395 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: who's pregnant, who is like fucking the Yeah, yeah, yeah, Matthew. 396 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: McGrory, Dia, Dia, yeah, Dia. Yeah. I loved that storyline. 397 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 2: God, what a moment, What a moment to say, A 398 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 2: simpler time Orange is the New Black is ridiculous, Yeah, 399 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: but a simpler time. 400 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: In many ways. 401 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 2: Samir Wiley obviously breakout or prepawn Uzzoh. Remember when Laura 402 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: Papon was giving like the performance. I remember literally saying like, 403 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: Laura Propon is absolutely slanging on this show. 404 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: I was like, maybe Scientology they got a point. 405 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Olsen? What Elizabeth Olson? Sorry, sorry, sorry, Oh my god. 406 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: I meant no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no Leon. 407 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: I did not mean a dodger leone. I meant Peggy. 408 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: I mixed up Peggy Olsen with Elizabeth What's what's her name? 409 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: The actress who plays Peggy Peggy Peggy Olsen in Madmen. 410 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 2: She wasn't in Orange of the New Black, but she's 411 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: a scientologist. Oh oh, sorry, Elizabeth Moss. 412 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Moss. 413 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: God, it's one of the great led It's one of 414 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: the great scientology legends. It's so weird to think about 415 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: people still dying on that hill because they're trapped in it. 416 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess that's so true. 417 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: But that just makes you go Wow. What Leah Remeny 418 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: did was the bowler. It was the bravest thing you 419 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: could possibly do. It was the bravest thing she did 420 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: since unbuttoning her top button in second act to deliver 421 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: a punchline. Oh my god, it was iconic and lea remedy. 422 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 2: In second act, she unbuttoned her top button of her 423 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: jeans and jeans you are a boob guy. 424 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: Time we say, I love boom you. 425 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: This is not the first time that someone with an 426 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: impressive rack has been talked about by Bowen. I'm always 427 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 2: talking about You're a boob kitties, I love. 428 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm a boob gay. Oh my god. 429 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 2: Culture number eleven is a boob gay? Should the title 430 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: of that boob gay? 431 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: Boob gay? 432 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: I think they're gonna put this as a tribe on grinder, Yeah, 433 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: boob gay? 434 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: You know that one scorpio boob gay. 435 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: One of my favorite things to know about myself is 436 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: that if I was born female, I would have a rats. 437 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: I really would be not saying. 438 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 2: Too much about my sister and my mother, but they're 439 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 2: blessed with big old boobies, and I feel like I 440 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: would have a huge rack if I were born female, 441 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 2: And that's just something that that would be big tit 442 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: bit a girl. Well, my name would have been Chelsea 443 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: and I would have had huge tits. Do you think 444 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: I'd still be here as a ghost? 445 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 446 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 2: I think big tits are such they informed so much. 447 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 2: Patty Harrison wrote a whole show about it. I love 448 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 2: that show, you know what I mean. My huge tits 449 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: huge because infected. 450 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: Not fake, not fake. My huge HiT's huge because infected 451 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: not fake. Everyone should go see My huge tits huge 452 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: because infected not fake. I saw it at the Edinburgh 453 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: Fringe Festival. It was my favorite work that Patty has 454 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: ever done, which is saying a lot. Yeah, I'm one 455 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: of Patty's number one fans. 456 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: By Racial Girl, by Racial Girl, Why am I giving 457 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 3: away the show? Literally one part of the showy Racial Girl. 458 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: She has a great song called the Biracial Girl, which 459 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 2: she is Yeah, because the show really, she said at 460 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: one point, the show is not about my huge tits. 461 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: The show is about the fact that I'm biracial. You 462 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: have to go see it. It's perfect. It's she's perfect. 463 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 2: For her to do that at Fringe is so iconic. 464 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: Greathouses well to fucking like lampoon, the whole idea of 465 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: a Fringe show. It's like, fuck you for like making 466 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: people like do shows about their identities. 467 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 468 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: I don't know if they make them really want to 469 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: do shows about their identities. They want to explore themselves. 470 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: They don't make them, but they are sort of incentivized 471 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: and encouraged to do that. Whatever we can cut this out. 472 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: No one thing I'll say is that the way the 473 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 2: theater like works, because commumed in the UK is so amazing, 474 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: Like what I just did my shows at the Soho Theater, 475 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: love them so great. Everyone there were so lovely. But 476 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 2: you get reviewed, which would never happen in America, Like 477 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: I would never like do a show and people would come. 478 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: But it's weird. 479 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: It's like the review culture in the UK and UK 480 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: theater and UK comedy is so different than it is. 481 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: Yes, it's like you know they're coming. 482 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: It's like it matters, like the word of mouth really 483 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: literally does travel because of those reviews. 484 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: It's just odd. 485 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: It's just foreign to us as a yeah, as a 486 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: culture where the arts are not subsidized. Okay, that's your 487 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: call for subsidization, that's my call. 488 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Where were we talking about me December? 489 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: Any I mean, I don't know. If there's much else society, 490 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: then I would say I would give it a big 491 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 2: old stream it, stream it and also see it, see 492 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: it if you can this week. Anything else, I mean, 493 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 2: here's the thing I would say. Bowen before we got on, 494 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: said that he has a very sort of big I 495 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: don't think. So I need to do today, And I'm 496 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: told that we have to reserve comment on a certain 497 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: Housewives franchise until the end. So the other one we 498 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: can talk all the other ones, and I will say. 499 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: My father watched Beverly Hills with me, So I was 500 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: I was experiencing a lovely holiday moment, extended holiday moment with. 501 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: My real housewives. 502 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I basically I had so much to do. 503 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: I had to watch Salt Lake, Beverly Hills, and Miami. 504 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: So I watched Miami first, and they were sort of 505 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: half watching it with me. Then they both sat down. 506 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 2: Both my parents sat down and watched Beverly Hills with 507 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: me because I think there's like some in there. 508 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe because they know the women a 509 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: little bit more, they're more famous. This is my dad's review. 510 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: I kind of liked the one who I went through 511 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: the divorce and lives in the small house Erica. Correct, 512 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: he said, I liked the one in the hat Garsell Kyle. 513 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: Kyle. 514 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: Kyle was always very powerful when she puts a hat 515 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: on right, and my mom said. 516 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about her, but I 517 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: have a feeling she's not very nice. Oh, that's my 518 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: mom's intuition. I trust Katrina. 519 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: Then he said that he thinks Garcella is a good mom. Yes, 520 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: and he said Jacks. He said he thinks that Sutton 521 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: is quote unquote crushed in every scene, which means drunk. 522 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 2: And I think he might have. I think he might. 523 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: You know what I was saying about Sutton. The way 524 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 2: she's speaking now is so it's setting off every alarm 525 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: in my head because. 526 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: She's going like this, she's something's different. She's talking down and. 527 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, you want to have a sudden bone, But 528 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 2: she'll be in the middle of an argument and something off, 529 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: scaring the crap out of me. Yeah, there's something very 530 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 2: scary about it. And name name him might have been 531 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: like alcohol field. I'm sorry, it's not my place to see. 532 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: I think that you might. I was like, I think 533 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: she might be drinking. 534 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: And then my dad. 535 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: Goes, well, look at the tub in front of her. 536 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: There's a huge cocktail in front of her in that name, 537 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: I'm seeing like a giant paloma. There's something going on there. 538 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: For sure. And then I think we all forgot Crystal 539 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: was in the episode. 540 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when Denise Richards walked in, my dad 541 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: turns to me and goes Denise Richards, which he knew 542 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: was which I think is a reveal that he may 543 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 2: have cranked it to her in the nineties. 544 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: There ranked it. 545 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: That's I'll say it. I think many straight men cranked 546 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: it to Denise Richards in the nineties. And that's a 547 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: rule of culture number seventeen. I think many straight men 548 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: cranked it to Denise Richards in the nineties. You forgot 549 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: iconic Bond girl, yeah, and iconic just hot woman, hot woman, 550 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 2: wild things. 551 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 552 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: Scary Movie three exactly, queen, she was so buddy and 553 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 2: Scary Movie three. 554 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. No sex? What no sex? 555 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: Oh? 556 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, she played the tru Yeah she was crushed. 557 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: That is We bring up Scary Movie three once a 558 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 2: month because it's iconic. 559 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: I need to watch it. 560 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 2: Some of the best It's like it's Airplane, It's like 561 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: some of the best jokes, like yeah, I mean right now, 562 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 2: I'm forgetting Cameron Manhew, I'm playing Cherry Jones and signs 563 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: that role, and every and every time the camera comes 564 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: back to her hat is bigger. 565 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: To the point where she can't get into the car 566 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: because her hat's so big. Why did they decide that 567 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: was the bit? I don't know, but I want more 568 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: of that, Need more of that? How says blank? Dude. 569 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: Dudel says blank, dude, dude, love it. 570 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: Jenny McCarthy Pam and Jenny Pam and Jenny Pam. Pam 571 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: is such a good actor. 572 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: Justice for Pam. We've been saying it forever. I mean, listen, 573 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: I'm I'm a Pam supporter. I went to opening night 574 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: of Chicago. 575 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I did not see Pam in Chicago. 576 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: What is the next theatrical experience we're going to have? 577 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 2: I guess should we go see Merrily? 578 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: I saw it at New York Theater Workshop. 579 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: Loved Itathan, they were all in it, Oh Daniel, Jonathan 580 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 2: and Lindsay and Lindsay. Lindsay was great. So everyone says, 581 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: leaving it girl Merrily. Isn't me you study coded? 582 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: Hmmm? Is it thinking? 583 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: These are three kids who met in college and then 584 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: it all fell apart. 585 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: It all falls apart, and it's told. 586 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: Well the thing with Merrily and I loved this production 587 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 2: so much, at least the Off Broadway production, but it 588 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: is like structurally doing a cool thing. You know, it's 589 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: told in reverse chronological order, but it does completely take 590 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: the steaks out of it. So you're like, well, I 591 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: know this ends badly, So then why am I like 592 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: watching like the steaks get lower. 593 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: And lower as time goes on? Yeah, you know what 594 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: I mean? 595 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: Well, I guess in what like twenty years time, we'll 596 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: have a Richard Linklaner movie that's right, with Beanie and Ben. 597 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 2: With Beanie and Ben, I mean, I can't wait to 598 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 2: see that. But I just think, like, and that's not 599 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: a Sondheim thing. I forgot who wrote the book, but like, 600 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 2: I just think that's the fundamental thing about Merrily that 601 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's why, like it hasn't been put up 602 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: that often, and now that I think this is the 603 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: perfect setup for it where you have these big stars 604 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 2: do it and the music's great. 605 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: I do love the songs. I just love a. 606 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: Factual experience, I really do. How are you gonna get 607 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: your egot? Let's see Emmy this season in messing out. 608 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 2: Let's hope Oscar for this season? If you play who 609 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: would you. 610 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: Play in a biopic? 611 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 2: To get your Oscar I'm famously playing Hunter Biden. Oh 612 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: my god, I would play Eileen Warnow. I would play 613 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: do you think they didn't get it right the first time? 614 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: I think Charlie's flopped. Just kidding. I think Charlie's flopped, 615 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: and I need to go in there, and I think 616 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: you'd be a stunning Aileen. 617 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Thank you. 618 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, show me what's the line from the movie. I 619 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 2: remember the clip they played at the Oscars. 620 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the clip was like. 621 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 2: I forgot, she's like going she's going crazy. 622 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I know a makeup person. 623 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: You know a lot of them, a lot of who 624 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: could do what they did, who can do what they did? Yeah, okay, 625 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: I would say for my performances Hunter Biden, I'm just 626 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: gonna not sleep. I'm just gonna show up to set 627 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: every day like Haggard, like hag like it's so rough. 628 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna embody what it feels to feel rough and 629 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: just go in and like, should I write the script myself? 630 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 2: I feel like I have to make this happen. I 631 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: think no, no one's gonna write me in my Hunter 632 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: Biden vehicle. 633 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: I just I think, listen the people at script Notes, 634 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: listen to this podcast. I think they're gonna get the word. 635 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: Out that John August, write me my Hunter Biden vehicle 636 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: now now, John, listen, it's. 637 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: All been very thought. A nice city has passed back 638 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: and forth. Do something, write me a role. I think 639 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: that's your oscar. 640 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, my Grammy and Grammy is clearly in coming. 641 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: And Tony, Oh, we should definitely win a Tony together. 642 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: Do we do that? 643 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 2: Hmmm? It's usually we compete Wicked stage Wicked and we 644 00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 2: both win. 645 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: This is so funny. 646 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 2: I actually was listening to Defining Gravity today. I don't 647 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: know why, but I think I was just, oh, you 648 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: want to know what I was really feeling myself. So 649 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: pick Pie of the Curtain because this is a big 650 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: truth episode Honesty's own. People were late today and I 651 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: was very early. He was, Matt was, so I was like, 652 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 2: so freakishly early. So I decided to like walk around 653 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 2: and for some reason I landed on Burn from Hamiltonton, 654 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: which was one of the inspirations for my song Every 655 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: Christmas Eve, oh years ago, and I was listening to 656 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: it and I'm like, this song goes so hard. 657 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: Oh, it's a beautiful song. You farfit the rest of that. 658 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 1: You far fit. You don't get don't know about us? 659 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: That so good. Pippa went off on that one. 660 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: I want to be at the Kennedy Center Honors, Pippa 661 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: so wait, I was. 662 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: Actually thinking about this too. 663 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 2: What would the Kennedy Soner Honors for Mariah B what's 664 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: the lineup and what songs? Go? 665 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: Oh, I can't do this. I don't know Arianna. 666 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to see Arianna do either dream 667 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: Lover or Fantasy. 668 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: You know that's all. You're not as big a lamb 669 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: as I am. 670 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 2: I know I know these songs, but I'm thinking, like 671 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking, if there's no I trust you. 672 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: I want Kelly to sing my all like we pitched 673 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: on this episode. What she wants to sing? 674 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think I kind of want ari 675 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: to give a more uptempo moment. That's what I say. 676 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: Was like fantasy. Even Fantasy is a little slow. Maybe 677 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: it's not like you need like something fast. She doesn't 678 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: really have a lot of up up up tempos. By 679 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: the way, they just did a tribute to Mariah and 680 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 2: Jennifer Auson sang Vision of Love. It was so much 681 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: singing yes that I just have to stand on a 682 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: plod right, and then Patty LaBelle also sang I forget 683 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: what she sang, but like it was also stunning, and 684 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: I was just like wow, because to tribute Mariah you 685 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 2: kind of have to bring everyone in who's gonna do 686 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: kind of the most to say the least, right. 687 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: And imagine just sitting. 688 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: There for performance, have to performance just like knocked off 689 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 2: your pedestal by these women who know it's their Mariah 690 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 2: carry tribute moment. 691 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: Right, and that she's watching. 692 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: I think that is a YouTube clip that will be 693 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: watched by gays over and over and over again when 694 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 2: it happens. 695 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: After it happens. Wait, I'm sorry, did this happen. It 696 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: happened the other night, but not a Kennedy Center, I know, yes, 697 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: but is it on YouTube? Is what I'm saying. Yeah. 698 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: I watched the Jennifer Hudson performance okay, okay, and it was, 699 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: like I said, it was the Vision of Love and 700 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: it was just like, WHOA. The thing about Vision of 701 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 2: Love and Mariah is there's like an elegance. 702 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: Oh, she comes in completely like I don't know, like, 703 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone can really sing that. You think so? 704 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: I think it's one of those songs. 705 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: I think Vision of Love is a lot more I 706 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: Will Always Love You than we realized in that Like 707 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: by the end it's like, yeah, it's also just like 708 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: a vision of Love is so Mariah coded because it's Mariah. 709 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: Pure Mariah, that's real. Number eighty nine. 710 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: Vision of Love is so Mariah coded because it's Mariah. 711 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: It's almost like she starts. 712 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: Solo and then by the end she's like, yeah, it's 713 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: just so even to hear Jennifer Hudson do it, who's 714 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 2: obviously one of the best singers out there, it's just like, yes, 715 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: this is a tribute to This is not a new 716 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: rendition of because you really can't do a new rendition 717 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 2: of vision and vision of love, right, And I think 718 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 2: that's the case for a lot of Mariah's songs, which 719 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: is why you don't see her covered a lot. But 720 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 2: that song in particular, you really can't write. Would you 721 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: say that Mariah's music is timeless or is it so 722 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 2: beautifully time bound that you can't really like modernize it. Well, 723 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: people do literally modernize it, like fucking fantasy. They just 724 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 2: big dick energy was ye ye ye, But even that 725 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: was very preserved. Yeah, like it sounded just like fantasy, 726 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: and fantasy is of course a sample. 727 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: So wait, but I would say, was it you that 728 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: said to me? It wasn't you. 729 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 2: I think it was Jared because he loves to do this. 730 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 2: He was like, if you had to keep one person's discography, no, I. 731 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: Hate this shit. 732 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: I hate this, hate this, hate this so much. But 733 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: he said, because I don't have to keep one person, 734 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: You're right exactly. 735 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: And I was like, there's actually not so now that 736 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: we have both discographies, there's not a world where like, 737 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: you can never listen to this again. But I guess 738 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: he was like, imagine a world where and you could 739 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: never listen. I don't think so money like that whole 740 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: like rhetorical thing. I don't like those guns to your 741 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: head Jesus or that. Well, I don't have a gun 742 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: to my head, and I wouldn't. No one would ever 743 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: hold a gun in my head and make me choose 744 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: these two fucking things, right, And so he said to me, 745 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: gun to your head. 746 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: Sorry, tried to put you on blast, but you did 747 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 2: say this Taylor or Beyonce. And I was like, I 748 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: refuse to answer the question, refuse to answer the question. 749 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 2: But he said Taylor and Mariah. 750 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: I was like, I have to keep Mariah's music. Oh, 751 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: of course, I have to keep Maria's music. To you, Mariah, 752 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: It's just it's not that I don't want to be disrespectful, 753 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: but it's like I think that that would put me 754 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: in a serious depression knowing that I could never listen 755 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: to any of Mariah's music ever again, Whereas like Taylor 756 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: write new music, not that Mariah couldn't, but like, I 757 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: don't know, there's something so special to me about Mariah's discography. 758 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 2: The beauty of Taylor is the like glut of music 759 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: that there is. And part of gorgeous word glut glut, 760 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 2: and then what goes with that. 761 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: Is you can comia glut. 762 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,479 Speaker 2: Part of that means as a consumer, and that's all 763 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: I am as a consumer. I big bottom, big bottom. 764 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 2: I get to take a break, yeah, you know what 765 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: I mean. And like I think with Taylor, sometimes I 766 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 2: have to consciously be like I'm gonna tap on, I'm 767 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: gonna listen to some like Byork or whatever. You know. 768 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 2: People were like, oh, she's announcing reputation TV tonight. They 769 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: were saying this all weekend, and I was just like, 770 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: you guys, we have to slow down, let her exist. 771 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 2: We have to low down, like because honestly I remember, 772 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 2: like my initial reaction to even Evermore coming out was 773 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: I was just like, but we just got folklore what Like, 774 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 2: I was just like, it's gonna take me a second. 775 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 2: Then I eventually got around to Evermore and like it 776 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: was one of my favorite albums of hers. 777 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: But when things come too fast, too furious. It's like 778 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: even with nineteen eighty nine TV, like we were honest 779 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: about our thoughts about it on this pod, but like 780 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: I haven't really sat down and like allowed the newer 781 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: songs Yes to like seep into my vans as like 782 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: Taylor Cannon because I'm like, I don't know, I just 783 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: feel like I'm not in that zone right now. 784 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 2: I'm still enjoying the Yes. I'm still listening to Cruel Summer. 785 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm still listening to Cruel Summer. I was thinking today 786 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 2: in the shower should give Lover another full rotation. I 787 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 2: love Love Lover is. It's maligned and there's no reason 788 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 2: for it to be. It is such an interesting moment 789 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: in her career for her first two singles to be 790 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: songs that are so outside of what she knows. 791 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: She does best. Do you know what I mean? For 792 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: Me and You need to Calm Down to be the 793 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: first two singles from that. 794 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 2: Do you think that me and You need to calm down? 795 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 2: We're just like an overcorrection from the reputation? Yes, me 796 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 2: is so still such a big question mark for swifties. 797 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 2: I think it's so rare for her to be I'm 798 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 2: just gonna say this publicly, A little self conscious about 799 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 2: it because you remember when she took out Hey Kids Fun? 800 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: I thought was the wrong move. 801 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 2: I was like, why are you taking out? I think 802 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 2: because that is the element of like whatever. Uh kill 803 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 2: me for saying this, but like the element of wit 804 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 2: that's in there. Something's a little off, something's a little wrong, 805 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 2: And I love it when that happened. 806 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. 807 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: It felt like a choice that was made and we 808 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 2: should stick to the choice. Did you ever say why 809 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 2: she took it out? And it kind of just reads 810 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 2: as self consciousness because maybe the response to it. I mean, 811 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 2: it was like on paper a huge hit, but like 812 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 2: the response to it was like the internet was like 813 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: what the people being like, we. 814 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: Don't know about this one? 815 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? And then it did that weird thing where she 816 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 2: does have like that reputation for quote unquote not choosing 817 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 2: the right first single, which is like not something that's necessarily. 818 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: True and it doesn't really matter in the end. 819 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you need to come down was of 820 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: course felt gay Baby at the time. I don't know, 821 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 2: like it did feel like that was like a moment 822 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,760 Speaker 2: in her career where people were just ready to drag 823 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 2: her in a way that like sort of invalidated just 824 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 2: how good her actually was, which because most of the 825 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 2: songs on that album are like some of her greatest 826 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 2: work still an Archerstan she said, by the way that 827 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: it's gonna be. 828 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: And while it's dreams yeah, I mean the stream. 829 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 2: Dreamable version and long live but because so much of 830 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 2: Lover is so fucking good Lover, the song to me 831 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 2: is one of her best. 832 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, those weren't the singles. Cruel Summer was 833 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,439 Speaker 1: the single Girl. 834 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,959 Speaker 2: But then again, can we argue with the timeline which 835 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 2: saw Cruel Simmer have this moment It felt right for 836 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 2: the Aerostour, it did. Everything happens for a reason. Hashtag Taylor, 837 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 2: hashtag I want to quickly talk about Miami. Drianna is 838 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 2: so important. Adriana de Mora is so important and why 839 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 2: is she not housewife status? The only thing about Miami 840 00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: is the friends are so vital to the show, and 841 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 2: there is just like I guess it's just too many 842 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 2: women who are already house wives who are holding. There's 843 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 2: full time and three friends, it's nine. Bump it up 844 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: to nine. 845 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, do it. 846 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 2: Potomac has eight right now, and five out of the 847 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 2: eight are fucking cannon fodder. 848 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: I can't do this. We have to wait till I. 849 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 2: Was told that we had the way to talk about Honey. 850 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 2: But in terms of Miami, I feel like here's the thing. Marisol, 851 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 2: Adriana and Kiki. I think there's this thing that Miami 852 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 2: is doing that because they have women that are married 853 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 2: and are actual, quote unquote housewives. They are the main cast. Sure, 854 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 2: But then again, like Larsa, isn't I think we're well 855 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 2: past the point of like, yeah, that being a requirement. 856 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 2: But anyway, this is all to say I love this 857 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 2: show so much. 858 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: I think that if it's working, if it ain't broke, sure, 859 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: Like Kiki is a friend of I think is perfectly fine. 860 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: Kiki is a friend, Up's perfectly fine. 861 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 2: Even Maratha, I just think Adriana drives so much of 862 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 2: the tree does and she is I'm. 863 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: No longer susceptible to your poison. They have vipers like 864 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: the venom like vipers, venom like vipers. Fuck you marry 865 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 1: salt motherfucker. Hateful person, be hateful because I'm flatulent. 866 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 2: The word flatulent being used so many times. Really, no 867 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 2: notes for Miami, No, no notes for Salt Lake. Really, 868 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 2: these are fun shows and that's what you need. That's 869 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 2: what makes something watchable. Okay, period pointless, and that will 870 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 2: lead into our discussion on another franchise in just a bit. Okay, 871 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 2: so listen, it's time I think to sort of get 872 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 2: that negativity out and I'm actually gonna have you go 873 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 2: first today. I'm superstitious what I feel like, you always 874 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 2: go first, and I feel like if you're going to 875 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 2: switch up the order, this is gonna really shake up 876 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 2: the week, which I you know what, maybe I need I. 877 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: Think I forgot what. I don't think so, honey, was 878 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: I think you need to go first? Okay? Okay, this 879 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: is bone Yang's I don't think so, honey, and it's 880 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 1: long awaited as time starts now, I don't think so. 881 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 2: One of the real House as of Potomac, I think 882 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 2: I'm tapping out because it has become utterly unwatchable. 883 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: It brings me no pleasure to say this. 884 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 2: If you had asked me two years ago, I would 885 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 2: have said it was my favorite city in the entire franchise. 886 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 2: Now it is dead last because, as I said, the 887 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 2: Race show is bad. Five out of these eight women 888 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 2: are intolerable. Three of them are evil people, Mia thirty, Mia, 889 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 2: Giselle Robin, You guys, you guys are so awful. And 890 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,240 Speaker 2: that I love Karen, I love Wendy, I love Canvas 891 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 2: Down forever for life. But the rest of these women 892 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 2: are so desperate to be on television, so thirsty, so hungry. 893 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 2: They're acting like Drew Carey just called their names on 894 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 2: the prices, right, and they're racing to the bottom to 895 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 2: bid one dollar because that is what is the price 896 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 2: five of the show. Even Wendy. I love you, Wendy, 897 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 2: but you are over correcting here. I mean this show 898 00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 2: is bad. 899 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: Vibes. That's one minute. Listen to me. I'm out. 900 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 2: You sit here and you say that the evil people 901 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 2: are Giselle, Robin and Mia, I would raise you in 902 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 2: Ashley Darby. 903 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 1: Oh, Ashley Darby. 904 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 2: You're fucking Ashley Darby is God. So here's something I 905 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 2: was actually asking myself. Is Ashley Darby this dumb or 906 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 2: this mean? And I'm like, oh, it doesn't mess obviously 907 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 2: that she's this mean because her thing of like, oops, 908 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 2: did I spread that rumor about Wendy's mother being like 909 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 2: a voodoo person? 910 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: First of all? 911 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 2: Can I say I am with you? I kind of 912 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 2: refuse to participate in something that's gonna pit these two 913 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 2: Nigerian women against each other. 914 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,240 Speaker 1: Based on heritage. It's so disappointed. And I was really 915 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: not about the editing of the last episode, which was 916 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: like showing Wendy's mother like praying, and then they did 917 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 1: this weird musical sting on it to make her seem 918 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: like mystical. 919 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 2: That did not feel right now to me, this all 920 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 2: it feels very wrong to me. How many more times 921 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 2: are we gonna have to have Wendy sat down by 922 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 2: Ashley and told something horrible like that's being said about 923 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 2: her life? 924 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,400 Speaker 1: Just for what These women aren't friends. That's not fun. 925 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: They're they're just not friends. They're just not friends. Robin 926 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: is inactive. 927 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 2: They all live like fifteen miles apart from each other. 928 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 2: It's like there is no like central binding hub. There's 929 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 2: no agent, there's no like thing that like brings these 930 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 2: people together. Truly, the way that Giselle salivates when she 931 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 2: hears she can talk shit about Wendy or that there's 932 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 2: something nasty about Wendy, it's so like the glee with 933 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,800 Speaker 2: which Robin was receiving that information from Neca, like about 934 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 2: like all that stuff that was negative about Wendy. 935 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: I was like, this is. 936 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 2: Such an ugly yep show yep, and it really is 937 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 2: a shame. And I'll miss you Karen, I'll miss you Wendy, 938 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 2: I'll miss you Candice. And I'm not saying I'm not 939 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 2: gonna watch it. I'm just saying, like I still haven't 940 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 2: seen this week's episode. There's no propeller for me to 941 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 2: watch it. It's like, and honestly that's the thing too 942 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 2: about like having so many other franchises that are doing 943 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 2: so great on Bravo right now, is just like I'm 944 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 2: not gonna watch something I'm not gonna enjoy that I 945 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,719 Speaker 2: like morally object to. 946 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: There's no way. And also it's like why why invest time? 947 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 1: We don't you. 948 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 2: Don't have the time, like you the readers Katie's Publics 949 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,880 Speaker 2: finalists do not have the time to watch something like 950 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 2: that for Potomac anymore. I never thought I would say this. 951 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 2: I used to love the show. Literally, what I said 952 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,760 Speaker 2: was I would hang out with any of these women. 953 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 2: Now these are the fucking lamest people. It's really so 954 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 2: deeply uncool. 955 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:41,959 Speaker 1: Yeah. 956 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,359 Speaker 2: And also it's just like, I guess like Wendy and 957 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 2: Candace and Karen have to keep participating because it's the 958 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 2: show that they're on, but it's just like, god, like, 959 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 2: at what point is it not even worth it? You 960 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,319 Speaker 2: have to show up and these are your colleagues, people 961 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 2: who are out to destroy your lives and the people 962 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 2: that you love. That's like, that's the difference. Is that 963 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 2: on Miami it's like you talked about me because I 964 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 2: was flatching on how daily your vipra so funny? And 965 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 2: on Beverly Hills, it's like, you know, it definitely gets thick, 966 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 2: it gets a little dark, but like there's like a 967 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 2: pageantry there that the women are all in on. That 968 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 2: feels like these women are not collaborating with each other 969 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:27,520 Speaker 2: to make content, They're conspiring with one another to ruin 970 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 2: each other, right, And it feels like for what it's 971 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,280 Speaker 2: not entertainment, and for Salt Lake, there is an element 972 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 2: of like there are criminals about and these women have 973 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 2: to unite to fight off these evils. Like that is 974 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 2: a fun, compelling thing for me to watch. They're also 975 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 2: fun to watch. They're also so like none of these 976 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,720 Speaker 2: women are fun to watch. And I'm sorry, but like Candas, 977 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 2: you haven't been on the show, like I mean, like 978 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 2: this is another part of it. Cannis, Karen and Wendy 979 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,120 Speaker 2: Wendy except for this like fucking neck of stuff. It's 980 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 2: like they're not featured enough. There's so much focus being 981 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 2: put on Robin and Giselle still and Ashley in her 982 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 2: stupid why are you doing a coast side house and 983 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 2: the fucking DMV Ashley Derby the. 984 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 1: Stupidest fucking It's yeah, it really is a very like 985 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,240 Speaker 1: lead very. 986 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,360 Speaker 2: Like it's like very like old fashioned like beach house. 987 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,959 Speaker 2: It's it's giving like fifth thought, it's just how many 988 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 2: houses have we been to in the suburbs where this 989 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 2: is the story. You know, my house is a beach 990 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 2: it's giving like lame, it's given like that's not to 991 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 2: disrespect anyone who's like my living room is the sand, 992 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 2: and my my bathroom is the beach. 993 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like that is like a 994 00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: common thing. I get it. 995 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 2: I'm only using this his ammunition against someone that I 996 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 2: already dislike. That's all I'm saying. 997 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 1: Everyone else, I think your house is beautiful. 998 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 2: If you have a coastal themed house in a landlocked area, 999 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 2: I love that. 1000 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,359 Speaker 1: I think your house is beautiful. I think your house 1001 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:55,840 Speaker 1: is beautiful. 1002 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 2: But if your name is Ashley Darby and you're are 1003 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 2: they divorced yet? 1004 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: And you're fucking oh they're not divorced? 1005 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're in such a sad arrangement, Ashley. And 1006 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 2: here's the thing that connects all of these women that 1007 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 2: are like vituperative on the show or what I learned 1008 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 2: from bewen Yang is their person and lives are all 1009 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 2: a mess, Like watching the Robin and Wan of it 1010 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 2: all is so pathetic. And the fact is like you 1011 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,320 Speaker 2: kind of do, like have to side with her because 1012 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,040 Speaker 2: it's like when someone says like. 1013 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, You're like, okay, 1014 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,800 Speaker 1: well she said she doesn't care, So now I guess 1015 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,399 Speaker 1: everyone else is uncool for trying to get her into 1016 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: a position where she like But again, ultimately, what I'm 1017 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: saying is it's just like, guys, she doesn't care. She 1018 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: doesn't want her life to be better. She doesn't aspire 1019 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: two better things, right, So when someone is telling you 1020 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,360 Speaker 1: what they feel, that's what she feels. 1021 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 2: Leave her bee, leave her be. She doesn't want her 1022 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 2: situation to improve, which then makes me go, then why 1023 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 2: is she on television? Why am I watching her life? 1024 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,279 Speaker 2: And well, our husband got fucking fired. And now here's 1025 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 2: another garbage thing I'm picking up on the show. He 1026 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,839 Speaker 2: is constantly one Dixon is constantly on television being like, well, 1027 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 2: you know, I got fired because we weren't winning games, 1028 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 2: not anything. I love my guys. I love my guys. 1029 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 2: It's like, first of all, here's the truth. You allowed 1030 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,799 Speaker 2: a situation to go on on your team, Yes, with 1031 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,399 Speaker 2: a young person who will be affected by just look 1032 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 2: it up because. 1033 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,279 Speaker 1: I'm not getting into actually disgusting. It's disgusting. 1034 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,840 Speaker 2: He covered up basically assault on his team, like a 1035 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,760 Speaker 2: coach on his team was to say the least inappropriate 1036 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,799 Speaker 2: with one of the players. The player brought it to 1037 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 2: the attention of the coaches, and the coaches like buried it. Okay, 1038 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 2: so that's why he was fired. That's what we're dealing 1039 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 2: with in that family. In the Dixon household, Gizelle is 1040 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 2: being so fucking stupid with this whole like cougar identity 1041 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 2: she now has. 1042 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,040 Speaker 1: This woman doesn't know who she is. This woman does not. 1043 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,440 Speaker 2: Interesting and the only thing that makes her interesting is 1044 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 2: the way that she. 1045 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,840 Speaker 1: Plays the chessboard. I guess in terms of like, she. 1046 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 2: Doesn't play the chess board. She fucking flips the table. Yeah, 1047 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 2: she fucking flips it. She like makes a fucking mess. 1048 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: It's just that no fun. It's not fun. It's no fun. 1049 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 2: And Ashley Darby being like, oh oops, did I destroy 1050 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,760 Speaker 2: any potential for these two women to be friends Mekka 1051 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 2: and Wendy, when like they should have come on and 1052 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,399 Speaker 2: been like, you know, not that Meka needed any help, 1053 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,400 Speaker 2: because she couldn't have got to the center of this 1054 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 2: inappropriate bullshit with Wendy's mother quicker. No. But also Neka 1055 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 2: is like not at whatsoever, there's no star wars, no 1056 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 2: star quality. The way she talks to her husband is vile. 1057 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,680 Speaker 2: She like screams at him to shut up every single day. 1058 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't like this. 1059 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,160 Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say about Mia. At least I'm laughing. 1060 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 2: I've started calling her the legendary Mia Thornton in group chats, 1061 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 2: and I do laugh because you're laughing because she's not legendary, 1062 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 2: because she's actually she's equally as pathetical. 1063 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say, Like, if Mecca has no star quality, 1064 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,720 Speaker 1: at least I think Mia, like whenever she's on television, 1065 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what is this gonna be? I at 1066 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: least do like watching Mia. I do Mia. 1067 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 2: The moments that I say the legendary mea legendary Meathorton. 1068 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,719 Speaker 2: The moments that I like watching the legendary Meathorton are 1069 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 2: when Karen is being so mean to her and Karenhake 1070 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:17,880 Speaker 2: and she just takes it on and then Mia just 1071 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 2: kind of takes it on the chin, and I'm like, Okay, 1072 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,800 Speaker 2: that's funny, but like that does not a reality TV 1073 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,759 Speaker 2: character make. I just I don't know what to say. 1074 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,920 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm not gonna watch it anymore, but 1075 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 2: I am saying, like. 1076 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: You are right, Dead Last. 1077 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,360 Speaker 2: It's bad Dead Last, and I feel like the weird 1078 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 2: thing that's happening is they feel like they can't get 1079 00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 2: rid of Giselle and Robin and Ashley, and I have 1080 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,240 Speaker 2: to tell you you can, you can, you can't. Actually 1081 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 2: this happens all the time, is you get the toxic 1082 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 2: people out of those situation. 1083 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: It is a noxious show. 1084 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,359 Speaker 2: Like it's just like, oh, like we're not dealing with 1085 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 2: Lighthousewives content, We're dealing with this stuff that Like watching 1086 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 2: Wendy's face as she has to receive that this is 1087 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 2: gonna be the conflict of the show, like they're attacking 1088 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,839 Speaker 2: her mother based on heritage and religion is so and 1089 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,200 Speaker 2: like what they are saying about this, like ole, this 1090 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 2: implication that Wendy's family might be OSU is actually so 1091 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:19,799 Speaker 2: so so damning and dark and so personal that it's like, 1092 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,239 Speaker 2: of course, like the Bravo audience, the Housewives audience is 1093 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 2: not going to actually understand what's being implicated here. But 1094 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 2: it's like if you look into it and actually go 1095 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,359 Speaker 2: to Wendy's Twitter and see what she's gretweeting and what 1096 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 2: she's saying, it's really really fucked up. But that's the 1097 00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 2: thing is that there's so much room for misinterpretation or 1098 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,239 Speaker 2: like agnosticism about like what these things mean in that 1099 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 2: culture that it leaves room for so much bad faith, 1100 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,840 Speaker 2: in bad like interpretation of what this all means, and 1101 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,440 Speaker 2: like and fucking Ashley Darby starts it like this, fucking 1102 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, light skinned woman who like could not care 1103 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 2: less about the fact that these two women are from 1104 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 2: a culture that is completely foreign to her, And also 1105 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 2: watching them all sweat so hard to try to make 1106 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,279 Speaker 2: Meca a thing. They're all getting on their Instagram, like 1107 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,400 Speaker 2: we're so excited for you guys to meet Mekka, and 1108 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,400 Speaker 2: NEA's incredible. 1109 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: It's like, Mekka is total not today, Meka, not today? 1110 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,240 Speaker 1: What is it? Not today today? Not today? 1111 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,480 Speaker 2: Today, the ankles, ankle, not today, Satan not today. Say 1112 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,560 Speaker 2: we miss you Candae on the show? I mean Hana's 1113 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 2: she was on the show this episode, but I just 1114 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,879 Speaker 2: where you've been, where you been anyway, she's been on tour, 1115 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,799 Speaker 2: and that's what's doing on the tour. Okay, I do 1116 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,239 Speaker 2: have and I don't think so, honey, And I wish 1117 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 2: I didn't. Oh, I wish I did it. I'm sorry, 1118 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 2: It's okay, now, Rogers, I don't think so many times 1119 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,520 Speaker 2: starts now, I don't. 1120 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 1: Think so, honey. 1121 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:59,920 Speaker 2: The song from Wish, Oh, I just missed the day 1122 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 2: of majesty in these Disney songs, Like I'm listening to 1123 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 2: the song from Wish and I'm rooting for Wish, like 1124 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 2: I root for every like Disney Princess movie that comes out. 1125 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,359 Speaker 2: And then here's what I would say, like to give 1126 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 2: some feedback, like too many words, like where is the 1127 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,239 Speaker 2: timeless melody? Where is the timeless? Like easy thing to 1128 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 2: let you into, like where is seconds the days of 1129 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,280 Speaker 2: Alan Mankin and Howard Ashman, like we need to find 1130 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 2: And I love Julia Michaels, but she is a pop songwriter, 1131 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,680 Speaker 2: and I feel like there's like a lack of like 1132 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 2: timelessness or like memorability to the melodies in this Seconds. 1133 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,839 Speaker 2: And I listened to like the soundtrack today and I'm 1134 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,479 Speaker 2: just like, we're missing some of the magic. And that's 1135 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 2: to not to say too much about like the whole 1136 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,279 Speaker 2: fucking thing, but where is the magic? We need less 1137 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,919 Speaker 2: words to find it. I didn't like the song and Wish, 1138 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey, And that's one minute. And 1139 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 2: it's so interesting because all of the promotional stuff about 1140 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 2: this movie is making it seem like this is the 1141 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 2: best I want song Disney has ever written. First of all, 1142 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,319 Speaker 2: you have to say it, it probably isn't true. And 1143 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,800 Speaker 2: also it's like, let's not pretend like the steaks aren't 1144 00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,960 Speaker 2: so high in terms of that, I mean, like part 1145 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:13,680 Speaker 2: of your world is staring us in the face. By 1146 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 2: the way, there was a rolling Stone list about the 1147 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,759 Speaker 2: top ten Disney movies, and I actually agreed with it. 1148 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,239 Speaker 2: It wasn't that I agreed or disagreed. I was just like, Okay, 1149 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:24,919 Speaker 2: it's a rolling Stone, lest here we go. They chose 1150 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 2: Bambi as number one. That's ridiculous, which I actually I 1151 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 2: don't think is ridiculous. I actually think it's kind of 1152 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 2: like a chic choice because I mean, the animation was 1153 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,359 Speaker 2: revolutionary for the time. It's very emotional story like it's 1154 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,399 Speaker 2: also like og og Disney, So I kind of got that. 1155 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 2: But then the Lion King wasn't even in the top 1156 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,680 Speaker 2: ten see and like the recent Winnie the Pooh was 1157 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 2: no And I'm like rolling Stone, rolling Stone being wrong, 1158 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 2: you gotta stop. Like it was giving Celindia not on 1159 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 2: the list vibes at some point, but at least like 1160 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 2: there was like some respect for in there, for the 1161 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,840 Speaker 2: classic like Little Mermaid was ranked very high, and I'm like, yes, 1162 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,440 Speaker 2: because Little Mermaid, like at least the songs in the original, 1163 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 2: like you don't ever forget them, Beauty and the Beast, 1164 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 2: that duo, there's something there that's like timeless. And I 1165 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 2: feel like in this Wish song, which I believe is 1166 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,880 Speaker 2: called I Wish, I'm not able to like latch onto 1167 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,120 Speaker 2: anything about the song because I think it's too crowded 1168 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 2: narratively and like there's nothing we're not aiming for the 1169 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 2: stars in terms of like feeling classic. And yet I 1170 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,760 Speaker 2: think Disney has poured in so much into it being 1171 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,080 Speaker 2: Disney one hundred, let's really cement the legacy of the 1172 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,040 Speaker 2: last century of what we've put out, and like this 1173 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,520 Speaker 2: is like they've had a weird year. 1174 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,759 Speaker 1: A bad one, They've had a not good year. I 1175 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:52,040 Speaker 1: think that. 1176 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,919 Speaker 2: So the thing with Wish is it quote unquote isn't 1177 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 2: succeeding right now at the box office, but it did 1178 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,200 Speaker 2: get an a Cinema score, and it's something that could 1179 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 2: play through the holiday. I mean, they said Elemental was 1180 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 2: a flop and then it actually made a lot of money. 1181 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,720 Speaker 2: It's now categorized as a sleeper hit, which I didn't 1182 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 2: even know, because I feel like there's so much emphasis 1183 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 2: put on like the opening weekends for things like this. 1184 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,320 Speaker 2: But you have to also remember Frozen was a huge 1185 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,640 Speaker 2: sleeper phenomenon, like that was not a hugely popular movie 1186 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,040 Speaker 2: and it's even its first two weeks, and then as 1187 00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,800 Speaker 2: kids started to express that they loved it, like then 1188 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 2: it grew so like I feel like there's potential for 1189 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,560 Speaker 2: Wish to do well. But here's the thing is, it's 1190 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 2: like you need something that's like a really driving, intangible 1191 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 2: for something like this movie to succeed, and Frozen had 1192 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 2: that with Let It Go and the other songs. The 1193 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 2: songs are not songing on this album. And it's no 1194 00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 2: disrespect to Julia Michaels, who I think is a great 1195 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,440 Speaker 2: pop songwriter and a great pop artist, but there's something 1196 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:56,800 Speaker 2: that's like not connecting in terms of like you can't 1197 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 2: there's no emotional into these songs and I haven't seen 1198 00:57:59,160 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 2: them in context. 1199 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 1: I have and seeing the movie. 1200 00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,760 Speaker 2: But it's just been a weird year because that didn't 1201 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 2: do well and then the Marvels like really didn't do well. 1202 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,280 Speaker 2: And I think that Disney's plan going forward is to 1203 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,480 Speaker 2: funnel Like I think it's like twenty billion into the 1204 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,840 Speaker 2: theme parks. It's all going into the parks, yeah, because 1205 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 2: they're the only real division of Disney that is growing, 1206 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 2: are the parks, because there was like a theme park resurgence. 1207 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,320 Speaker 2: And I guess my thing is, like you had a 1208 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 2: lot to do with that, absolutely, But I guess my 1209 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,960 Speaker 2: thing is like what happens when the ip all just 1210 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,320 Speaker 2: like collapses in on itself, you know what I mean, 1211 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,600 Speaker 2: Like the marvel it's so confusing and saturated now that 1212 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,640 Speaker 2: I think people didn't go see the Marvels because they 1213 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 2: were like, I'm not. 1214 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:39,800 Speaker 1: Gonna get it. 1215 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:44,400 Speaker 2: No, it's they had an opportunity to like really reset 1216 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:50,240 Speaker 2: it after endgame, Yeah, and they just kept like sizing 1217 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 2: up the bubble and yeah, it was like it was 1218 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 2: impossible to follow. It's unreal how much you'd have to 1219 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 2: consume to truly understand what's happening in any given piece 1220 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,920 Speaker 2: of content that's come out from Marble in the past 1221 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 2: two years. 1222 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 1: You tell me, like Jonathan Majors plays King, and I'm like, 1223 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,760 Speaker 1: which knows a whole thing? Well, I just think like. 1224 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:16,040 Speaker 2: They've had a lot of bad luck and Destin Daniel 1225 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,479 Speaker 2: dropped out of the Next Avengers movie, and he's gonna 1226 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,560 Speaker 2: still direct to the shang Hi film. Something's going on 1227 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 2: at Disney, And like, I think the little drips of 1228 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,040 Speaker 2: news and announcements lately have been so interesting too, between 1229 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 2: like Inside Out and this whole thing about like oh, 1230 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,560 Speaker 2: Toy Story five and Frozen four, it's like, okay, but like, 1231 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,360 Speaker 2: just give us a second. I don't know, I just 1232 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,920 Speaker 2: I just say they're obsessed with announcements. Yeah, yeah, Like 1233 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,440 Speaker 2: they're so obsessed with letting you know what's happening so 1234 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,800 Speaker 2: that you know down the road everything, and then you 1235 00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,280 Speaker 2: look at it and you're like wow, so you're truly 1236 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,800 Speaker 2: banking on this regurgitative ip again and again and again 1237 00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,600 Speaker 2: and again, and then even your original stuff feels derivative, 1238 00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 2: Like just on face value, wish feels very isn't it? 1239 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Story of it? I think there might be something to. 1240 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,919 Speaker 2: That, like this is the world where like wishes get 1241 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,600 Speaker 2: doled out to every little Disney world, you know, or 1242 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,280 Speaker 2: something like that. 1243 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: I guess I gotta, you know, do my due diligence 1244 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:13,680 Speaker 1: and see it more. 1245 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 2: But like I don't know, Like usually like I'm more excited, 1246 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 2: but I think that there's just something going on where 1247 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,720 Speaker 2: every single like big ip for Disney, like Star Wars, 1248 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,200 Speaker 2: like Marvel, like even though the Disney princesses and like 1249 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,760 Speaker 2: that whole thing, it just feels like it's all kind 1250 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,240 Speaker 2: of just like collapsing in on itself, where I guess 1251 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,200 Speaker 2: they can put all the money to the theme parks 1252 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 2: because that ip there feels very special and new because 1253 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,680 Speaker 2: you're experiencing it, But it's not getting people to elect 1254 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,400 Speaker 2: to go to the movies, yes, because it doesn't feel 1255 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,120 Speaker 2: like there's not a lot of pull to I feel 1256 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 2: like I've barely even seen Wish promoted. Well he don't 1257 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,360 Speaker 2: follow our end of bows on Instagram, I think I do, Oh, okay, well. 1258 01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,240 Speaker 1: Then you have no excuse. 1259 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,160 Speaker 2: It gets like god it talking about Disney like this 1260 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 2: makes me think that Kingdom Hearts really is the perfect 1261 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,960 Speaker 2: case study in this because it peaked. 1262 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: And then it really fucking fell. 1263 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 2: It really kind of all like burst at the themes in 1264 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 2: a way that was just like what was that all for? 1265 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 2: It's like, let's celebrate all the Disney things and put 1266 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 2: that and like remix it with this new crazy like 1267 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 2: final fantasy element, and like it worked until it immediately 1268 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 2: stopped because there were so many titles. It was impossible 1269 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,240 Speaker 2: to keep up with it. Like literally, this is like 1270 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,000 Speaker 2: it is a microcosm for what's happening on a larger scaleton. 1271 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,000 Speaker 2: This is my theory and I'm actually I'm onto something here. 1272 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,240 Speaker 2: Kingdom Hearts, what happened with the Kingdom Heart series? And 1273 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,240 Speaker 2: they're making a fourth one whatever, But what happened with 1274 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 2: the Kingdom Heart series is the perfect writ small thing 1275 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,920 Speaker 2: of what's happening I think with let's say Disney as 1276 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,920 Speaker 2: a whole, it's really interesting, Like it was just so 1277 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,440 Speaker 2: convoluted you needed to watch like a twenty five minute 1278 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,520 Speaker 2: movie before you could play the third one that came 1279 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,240 Speaker 2: out a few years ago. It's just like, at what 1280 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,200 Speaker 2: point do we like, Yeah, just like congeal things and 1281 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,160 Speaker 2: like make things more digestible. Yeah, because there's a lot 1282 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 2: of asking people to buy into these universes, and the 1283 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,960 Speaker 2: universes are just so like I actually read a Wikipedia. 1284 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,520 Speaker 2: I read the Wikipedia of the plot of the Marvels, 1285 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 2: and I was just like, what, why can't this just 1286 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 2: be these three ladies kick ass? Why can't this just 1287 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,520 Speaker 2: be Mama's slay, Mama's slay. Literally, the Marvels should have 1288 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,440 Speaker 2: just been Mama's It would have been so fun. It 1289 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,120 Speaker 2: would have been incredibly fun. 1290 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: It's like they can only slay in a certain universe, 1291 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,560 Speaker 1: because when you slay too hard in universe be universe 1292 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,920 Speaker 1: c is not so sligh? Wait, what are those little 1293 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:46,439 Speaker 1: green guys? Aliens? Don't talk to me? I don't. Don't. 1294 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,800 Speaker 2: We need a Mama's Slay movie so badly. We need 1295 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,880 Speaker 2: this decade's version of Charlie's Angels full throttle. We need 1296 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,320 Speaker 2: Mamas Slay the movie. Now, what has been mama slay recently? 1297 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 2: That has been that has poppedlated? Barbie? You said Barbie 1298 01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:04,440 Speaker 2: Hays had made a number. 1299 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,360 Speaker 1: First of all, describing made a number as mama is 1300 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:08,400 Speaker 1: so dark. 1301 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,440 Speaker 2: Barbie is not even Mama's sleigh. I think Barbie is 1302 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,080 Speaker 2: Mama's slag. I think Barbie is Mama's all around the 1303 01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,480 Speaker 2: world's sligh. And that's actually really clad your number one hundred. 1304 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,680 Speaker 2: Barbie is Mama's all around the world sligh. 1305 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,160 Speaker 1: No, Barbie is the flood not. 1306 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,480 Speaker 2: So see that beautiful? It's beautiful and timeless and simple. 1307 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Billy, this is my favorite 1308 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 2: Billy lyric. Ever is I don't know how to feel, 1309 01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,120 Speaker 2: but I want to try. That is the whole movie, 1310 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,680 Speaker 2: because I don't know how to feel. She's I don't 1311 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,520 Speaker 2: know how to feel. But also she literally doesn't. She's 1312 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,920 Speaker 2: a toy. Yeah, but she wants to try. 1313 01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:56,760 Speaker 1: My favorite Billie Eilish lyric is guy the talk about 1314 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:57,320 Speaker 1: an artist. 1315 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,080 Speaker 2: I love Billy, love Billy, Billy Billy for the pod. 1316 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,440 Speaker 2: I think she'd be excellent. I think she would have fun. 1317 01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,920 Speaker 2: She's good vibes. I just looked at our producer. I said, yeah, Booker, 1318 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:13,400 Speaker 2: look Billy, come on, but just Billy. No, no phineas parents, 1319 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:15,400 Speaker 2: just get her in here. 1320 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,120 Speaker 1: Let just Billy. 1321 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,560 Speaker 2: We want to talk to Billy and really help her 1322 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,160 Speaker 2: figure out her newfound lesbianism. 1323 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:23,320 Speaker 1: Is she lesbian? 1324 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,040 Speaker 2: Said that she's attracted to women, but she's intimidated by them, and. 1325 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:27,720 Speaker 1: You think that we could help her figure that out. 1326 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,160 Speaker 2: I think we're the perfect strippas to lesbianism. I think 1327 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,000 Speaker 2: you said O were the perfect strippers and strippers. I 1328 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,240 Speaker 2: think we stripped for her and then she definitely all. 1329 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,520 Speaker 1: Right now I know would be gay TAXI. 1330 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god, so fun. She is so stunning as 1331 01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,800 Speaker 2: an artist. You know, this has been an episode that 1332 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,240 Speaker 2: has gotten all sorts of directions. 1333 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,640 Speaker 1: I think we really slayed it. 1334 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,680 Speaker 2: I think we slayed it. I think this was Mama's sleigh. 1335 01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,040 Speaker 2: I think we're boob gaye. We're boob gays on both 1336 01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,360 Speaker 2: sides of the coin where you have the boo bobs. 1337 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,919 Speaker 1: If you were woman and I if you were woman, 1338 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,040 Speaker 1: you'd be an appreciator. 1339 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,840 Speaker 2: If you were fan presenting, you would have boobs here, 1340 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,960 Speaker 2: you'd be boob gay in that regard. I'm boob gay 1341 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,560 Speaker 2: and the fact that I am purveyor of boobs and 1342 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:15,760 Speaker 2: I appreciate boobs. 1343 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,240 Speaker 1: And with this thought we do end every episode of 1344 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:27,360 Speaker 1: the song the food No just fall down, I know, 1345 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,840 Speaker 1: but I'm the shore. Now what else ma for? 1346 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,440 Speaker 2: What was MA. 1347 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:48,760 Speaker 1: Called bookcase? Enjoy me? I'm sad. 1348 01:05:50,560 --> 01:06:04,720 Speaker 2: Don't tell boy, it's not what he's made. I made. Hey, everybody, 1349 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,680 Speaker 2: it's Matt, and I'm very excited to let you know 1350 01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,480 Speaker 2: that my debut album, Have You Heard Of Christmas? Is 1351 01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:15,000 Speaker 2: out Friday, November three. Stream it everywhere in anywhere you 1352 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,919 Speaker 2: do that and order the vinyl online now. I've also 1353 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,840 Speaker 2: got new merch and tickets to my tour at www 1354 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,640 Speaker 2: dot Matt Rogersofficial dot com. Starting December first in Philly 1355 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 2: and wrapping up December twenty third in New York City again. 1356 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:35,439 Speaker 2: Check out www dot Matt rogersofficial dot com for all 1357 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:40,680 Speaker 2: the new music, merch and tour info. Very exciting, it's 1358 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:47,000 Speaker 2: officially Christmas