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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steff.

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Speaker 1: I never told your prediction of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we decided we I said me, decided to do

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Speaker 2: another classic for our feminist movie Friday. And honestly, this

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Speaker 2: is one of those movies I didn't realize was as

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Speaker 2: little bit when I figured it out. But a last yes,

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Speaker 2: we were talking about Leelo and Stitch, the Disney classic,

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Speaker 2: which just turned twenty two this year.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I actually thought it was older than that.

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Speaker 3: No, I how dare you?

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Speaker 2: Dare you?

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Speaker 1: I'll see myself out.

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Speaker 3: Get out of here. I old enough. It's old enough

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Speaker 3: to drink in the US.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, that makes okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you were just getting you were still in high school.

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Speaker 2: Were getting came out and you too, Yeah, you were

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Speaker 2: still you're just getting into high school.

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Speaker 3: No, middle school. Don't talk. Don't talk to me. Stop talking.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to know. I don't want to know

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Speaker 3: this answer right now.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, but I also forgot any about all of

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Speaker 2: this is that this is one of those movies that's

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Speaker 2: in the realms of the older animations way they love

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Speaker 2: to tear your soul out a bit and make you

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Speaker 2: I cried a few times, like I like broke because

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Speaker 2: I completely forgot like the depth of loneliness and like

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Speaker 2: deprivation for the little child. But I was like, but why.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I'm like no.

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Speaker 2: Her like people leave, It's fine, I still remember them.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, well damn, damn, li lo damn. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: so I cried a little bit and again, how dare

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Speaker 2: you Disney? How this is why I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: This is why I don't like cartoons and animations. I

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Speaker 2: really think this is where it comes from. Between this,

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Speaker 2: the Bambie, oh yeah, Fox and the Hound. Well Land

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Speaker 2: of four Time was not Disney, but it traumatized me.

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Speaker 3: It greatly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all of those movies traumatized me, which is probably

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Speaker 2: why I do hate like animations in general.

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Speaker 3: I hate them and I do not trust them.

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Speaker 2: So I have trauma thanks to Disney and all of

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Speaker 3: So screw all of you.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, yes, you're welcome my angry outbursts about a

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Speaker 2: children's movie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Leelo and Stitch was released in two thousand and two,

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Speaker 2: but the idea of Stitch originated in nineteen eighty five

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Speaker 2: as a children's book by creator, co director and co

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Speaker 2: writer Chris Sanders, who, along with Dean du Bois, did

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Speaker 2: write and co direct this specific one. They also did

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Speaker 2: How to Train Your Dragon.

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Speaker 1: The trailer came out yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, they're actually I assume when they

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Speaker 2: talk about live action they're just making like fancam videos

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Speaker 3: But I realized it's actually happening.

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Speaker 1: The Last of Us Too was a big trick that

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Speaker 1: happened a couple of days ago where everyone was like,

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Speaker 3: They keep tricking me with this.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't realize until not too long ago that

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Speaker 2: it's actually happening. But yes, it is happening. A version

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Speaker 2: was actually in development in nineteen ninety seven for Stitch.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we low n Stitch, but for Stitch,

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Speaker 2: nineteen forties. Animation also again cost effective because yes, they

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Speaker 2: that's how they said it. And because it was their original,

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Speaker 2: they didn't have to do much for like buying rights

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Speaker 2: the week of their release it was number two, right

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Speaker 1: That's a throw back.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, don't make me have another meltdown.

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Speaker 2: Sorry anyway, So the film itself was a hit and

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Speaker 2: has a live action revamping, supposedly in twenty twenty five, with.

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Speaker 3: Actual Hawaiian natives this time round.

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Speaker 2: Because the original it did feature a couple of Asian actors.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of things were like, yeah, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Need to rethink these things, and they have and that's Lilly.

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Speaker 2: People were more happy with the casting because they did

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Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll.

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Speaker 1: See, we'll see. I do have to say though, that

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Speaker 1: Lela was voiced by Davey Chase mm HM who this

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Speaker 1: movie was nominated for Best Animated Film so Spirited It Away.

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Speaker 1: Davy Chase also voiced the English stub of Chihiro and

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Speaker 1: Spirited Away, which won the Oscar But more importantly to

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Speaker 1: me and she probably hates this, Samara from The Ring.

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Speaker 2: I did not realize that she was Samara from The Ring.

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Speaker 2: I think you mentioned her before, and I did not

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Speaker 3: But I loved The.

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Speaker 1: Ring so much. I saw things that had Davy Chase

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Speaker 2: This, Because of for her, like clip of calling off

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so we are gloring to jump into the plot,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go through it. We start on the planet Turo,

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Speaker 2: where a trial is being held for doctor Jumba Chukuba

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Speaker 2: for a legal genetic experimentation and the creation of the

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Speaker 2: most destructive and aggressive creature, Experiment six to six. After

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Speaker 2: his conviction, they tried to exile this dangerous creature. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: Experiment six through six makes an escape and crash lands

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Speaker 2: large work trucks. Also, we see the frog, which I

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Speaker 2: believe the frog crosses over in so many of the

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Speaker 2: Disney animations. Yes, he's one of those.

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Speaker 1: Yes. And also not to completely derail this, I won't,

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Speaker 1: but there was a ride at Epcot that was really

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Speaker 1: all that. They replaced it with Lelo and Stitch and

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Speaker 1: I'm still burnt up about it. My friend is no

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Speaker 3: I mean, this could be scary.

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Speaker 1: It could be a kid anyway.

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Speaker 2: Sorry anyway, So by coming back, we jumped to seeing

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Speaker 2: young Lelo, who is struggling to fit in and having

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Speaker 2: We soon learned that Lilo is alone with her older

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Speaker 3: So he pretends to be a dog, which they thought

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Speaker 3: But then you got right over and it looks like

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Speaker 2: I loved it. Of course, Stitch is a hazard to

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Speaker 2: Now no as Stitch Stitch continues his destructive ways, Nanny

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Speaker 2: Of course, as all this is occurring, mister Bubbles is around.

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Speaker 2: Stitch is not going well for Jumba. Complicately, however, they

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Speaker 2: in certainly crying. Here, he learns that Lelo has felt

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Speaker 2: He soon does realize he wants to be a part

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Speaker 2: and he is captured by the other Federation employee gone To,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I believe he had to be carried over because there

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Speaker 1: I didn't have time to look into this, but I

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Speaker 1: actually think this movie is like Multiverse before, like Multiverse

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Speaker 1: with a bunch of other Disney movies or cartoons. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he looked like he looked like the other

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Speaker 2: there's several like bad guys I wanted I said, stretch Armstrong,

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if that was a thing or

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Speaker 2: if I've made that up.

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Speaker 1: That's a thing. I don't know, but.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I think my nose let me know, because

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Speaker 2: because it's like he looks like an already created bad guy.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, moving on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he he is there and he is able to

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Speaker 3: Why Lolo just taken away to return to Turo and

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Speaker 2: All the while, Nanni is looking for both Lelo and Stitch,

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah it is. Lela was also kind of interesting

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Speaker 2: and Stitch and them animated that way, like what was

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Speaker 2: the purpose? What was the point is it to just

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Speaker 2: is it just a choice that was made off hand

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Speaker 2: or was this a racist choice?

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Speaker 3: Or was this trying to divert.

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Speaker 2: Like divert away from the standard and being like this

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Speaker 2: all these different body types can be the stars, you know,

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Speaker 2: Like there's so many conversations, so like, is this a negative?

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Speaker 3: Is this how they see people of color?

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Speaker 2: Or is this like just trying to realize people are

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Speaker 2: different shapes And yeah, people who surf and people who

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Speaker 2: are a part of that culture they have they're muscular people.

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Speaker 2: They have to be, yeah, to be able to stand up.

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Speaker 2: My legs shake thinking about it, so like there's that

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Speaker 2: there was that conversation of that. I like the different

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Speaker 2: representations in that level, it did feel interesting for some reason.

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Speaker 2: And I say this in an like and maybe them

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Speaker 2: just being all the characters, the human characters seem more

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Speaker 2: like animations than the alien characters.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Like they seem a little more caricaturist than even the Aliens,

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Speaker 2: even though like of course Jumbo was and Plekly were

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Speaker 2: made to look comical. Yeah, but then like you look

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Speaker 2: at the Grand Councilwoman and you look like gone to

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Speaker 2: like they are, they seem less CARICATUREI ish for aliens.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's an on statement versus the people who

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Speaker 2: had like the caricaturish body types and like face types.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It just it just seemed interesting to me that they

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Speaker 2: drew it in such a different dichotomy of what I

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Speaker 2: expected to see. Like the Plekly and Jumba fit in

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Speaker 2: with that kind of caricaturish, but then the others seems

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Speaker 2: so like almost sophisticated.

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Speaker 3: So that makes sense. I know that's an un statement,

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Speaker 3: but it was an interesting.

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Speaker 2: Difference to me, uh because I noticed that at the

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Speaker 2: very beginning, because at the very beginning you can kind

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Speaker 2: of look at the darkness of it, of the trial,

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Speaker 2: and like this was one of the first full length

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Speaker 2: animation that was sci fi cartoon, sci fi feel good cartoon.

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Speaker 3: Like it was noted as.

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Speaker 2: That that it was unusual instead of just being straight

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Speaker 2: you know, one or the other. So like I did

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Speaker 2: find that interesting when you have those differences, because you

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Speaker 2: see the kids drawn in such a way that does

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Speaker 2: feel like a comic. Yeah, you know, the children all

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Speaker 2: kind of look like they're, uh, part of the what

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Speaker 2: is that woodblock people's.

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Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about?

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. So it was interesting.

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Speaker 2: Again, this is I think this is the last animation

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Speaker 2: they said before like the new picks O level with

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Speaker 2: toy story and all that started coming out, so a

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Speaker 2: little different in how they did that, but it is

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Speaker 2: interesting to see the differences. Still a classic. Didn't realize

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Speaker 2: I was twenty two years old. Still hurts my feelings. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, like you said, there will be live action.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to see how that turns out. I'm very interested.

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Speaker 1: I do recommend if you haven't listened to our episode

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Speaker 1: on Moana, I do recommend going and listening to that

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Speaker 1: because we did talk about body types and representation and

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Speaker 1: race culture in that. So that's an ongoing conversation and

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Speaker 1: we have Mwana too coming out soon, and so there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot I talk about that, a lot of

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Speaker 1: excitement about it. And then also in there we talked

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Speaker 1: about the kind of strangeness of like, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is like any big surprise. I've

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Speaker 1: never looked it up, but I'm pretty sure like a

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Speaker 1: movie likely Them and Stitch or like Milana. A lot

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Speaker 1: of times the part of the pushes people like visiting

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Speaker 1: oh Haaii and so they can put that in their

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Speaker 1: resort and so like they are one of their nicest resorts.

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Speaker 1: Uponnesian has Lilly Low and Stitch restaurant Ohana, Like that

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Speaker 1: just makes sense. Disney does that, Like they try to

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Speaker 1: have reasons why you want to go to their parks

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Speaker 1: and see their movies and get their merchandise all that.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like I'm saying something, but I do

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Speaker 1: think that was a That's a big part is they

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Speaker 1: know people like going to Hawaii. But yeah, we would

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Speaker 1: love to hear from you listeners. If you have any

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Speaker 1: thoughts about this movie, you can email us at Stephanie

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Speaker 1: book you can get wherever you get your books. Thanks

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Speaker 1: as always here our super producer Christina or executive pducer

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Speaker 1: My and our contributor Joey.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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