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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past.

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Speaker 2: Tune in is Matt Smith and Paul Perillo offer in

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Speaker 2: depth interviews with some of the greatest players and coaches

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Speaker 2: in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 3: Joined by the new member of the Patriots Hall Fame,

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Speaker 3: Mike Rainbow.

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Speaker 2: And find out what led to some of the greatest

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Speaker 2: moments in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 4: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 5: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number

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Speaker 5: one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison.

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Speaker 1: Good to be home, Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 2: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast.

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Speaker 1: A right, guys, want to join today.

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Speaker 5: To make a Christmas statement or a.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, look at that Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas

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Speaker 1: to all you guys, and uh, Merry Christmas to all

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Speaker 1: the past nation. We appreciate all you guys. Really, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's been a hard year. I mean, it's been hard

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Speaker 1: on us and it's been hard on y'all, but we

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Speaker 1: just wanted you to know that we appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 5: Besides Drake, what's the best Christmas gift you've ever gotten?

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Speaker 1: Called best Christmas gift I've ever gotten.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, that's tough.

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Speaker 1: I was a big Jersey guy when I was young,

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Speaker 1: and I remember getting up and I got like I

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Speaker 1: was a big basketball fan, and I think I got

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Speaker 1: I just remember being pumped about the Shaquille jersey.

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Speaker 5: Or your parents.

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Speaker 1: I think that was a Santa. I think that was Santa. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They sprinkled in a few other ones, but yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think Sanna brought that one for me.

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Speaker 4: I probably say, yeah, other than Hunt, I probably say

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Speaker 4: probably electrical motorbike, kind of an electric motorbike that I

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Speaker 5: Typically around this time of year, NFL quarterbacks will give

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Speaker 2: Are you approaching that as you be able to set

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Speaker 4: Oh for sure, give those guys some love all the

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Speaker 4: hard work they put throughout the season. So I got

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Speaker 4: something for them coming up soon and look forward to,

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Speaker 4: you know, show my appreciation for them and me and

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Speaker 4: Jacoby both.

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Speaker 5: Ruin it for everybody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was smart, I think, you know, I just

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Speaker 4: I think it was a it's pretty cool what he did.

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Speaker 4: What you do about it the first year, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: been huge. I think, you know more just so much

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Speaker 4: and it's just, uh, you know, awesome having you know,

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Speaker 4: and in my first year, I think it's kind of

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Speaker 4: I'm forgetting plays, and just whole things after that. So

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Speaker 4: a lot of great veterans on this team.

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Speaker 5: What about Christmas?

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Speaker 1: How do you maneuver this week as far as being

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Speaker 1: able to enjoy the holidays and then play a Saturday game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, you know where.

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Speaker 4: You ask me first, and obviously hun play with them,

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Speaker 3: Is just the perfect mold, probably saying one of your

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Speaker 1: Sure that you're in a position to make sure.

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Speaker 4: You aren't even Yeah, for sure, I think it's it's

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm still gonna be aggressive. That's the way

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Speaker 3: You see it from from Kayshawn Booty in terms of

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Speaker 4: Booty has been you know, make some big plays for us.

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Speaker 4: And I think you see, you know, him coming out

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Speaker 1: I mean, just Justin's stud man. Everybody sees the stuff

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Speaker 1: for a defense. So you know, he's he's a special,

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Speaker 1: you got you gotta love going against a guy like that.

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Speaker 2: I guess. Patriots Playbook join John Rook as he brings

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Speaker 1: But where the Patriots are concerned, Let's just get one

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Speaker 1: we can worry about versatility. Am I lying to anybody here?

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Speaker 2: Let's just get one thing done. Let's get one thing

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