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Speaker 1: what's going on? Welcome to move the sixth percented by

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Speaker 1: A R P, d J. Bucky with you Uh in

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Speaker 1: doing your thing over there in England. Uh did a

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Speaker 1: I'm good. DJ. I can't wait to hear the conversations

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun, man. I wish you around. You

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Speaker 1: that Tom Brady has been extremely durable throughout the majority

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Speaker 1: of his career, so that factors in. But go back

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Speaker 1: and look at those three years, so seventeen tom Brady

431
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Speaker 1: hundred seventy seven yards, thirty two touchdowns, eight picks, two thousand, eighteen,

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Speaker 1: forty three, fifty five, twenty nine and eleven, and then

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Speaker 1: this year right now he's at thirty four, thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: nineteen and seven. So it's it's really tailed off this year.

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Speaker 1: And I think you can look at the offensive line

436
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Speaker 1: losing Gronk a lot of those factors for that, you know,

437
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Speaker 1: kind of nose dive here, but still good, good statistical

438
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Speaker 1: years in in seventeen and eighteen. In seventeen, as you mentioned, Buck,

439
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Speaker 1: they have that you know, come from behind down three

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Speaker 1: win over Atlanta in the Super Bowl. That's the one

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Speaker 1: I would maybe say, Okay, and there was some Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady magic involved there. Uh does Jimmy g you know,

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Speaker 1: does he pull that one out? I'll put at least

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Speaker 1: a question mark on that one. Uh, they lose the

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Speaker 1: Philly and twenty eighteen, so that doesn't change. I won't

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Speaker 1: think that changes with with Jimmy twenty nineteen. This last

447
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, they beat the Rams and really a defensive battle,

448
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: low scoring games, so I would say Jimmy Garoppolo probably

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Speaker 1: wins you that football game. Um Man, you look at

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Speaker 1: Jimmy on pace right now. This year he's on pace

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Speaker 1: for for three thousand n yards, thirty one touchdowns, fourteen picks,

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Speaker 1: So you know, maybe, you know, I think the turnovers

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Speaker 1: might be a little bit elevated with Garoppolo versus Brady.

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Speaker 1: But you mentioned his ability to kind of extent plays

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Speaker 1: and create. Um, there's that. And and look, this is

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Speaker 1: we're talking about seventeen eighteen nineteen. If they decided to

457
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Speaker 1: keep Garoppolo, what does that difference mean for them from

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Speaker 1: this going forward for the next you know, six seven years,

459
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Speaker 1: you know versus Brady, who's gonna be at you know,

460
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Speaker 1: he's not gonna play through that length of time. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think the better position if Jimmy Garoppolo is the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure that Bill Belichick probably had that in mind.

463
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Speaker 1: And so when he came to that decision where Robert

464
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Speaker 1: Craft urged him to get Jimmy Garoppolo out the building,

465
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Speaker 1: he knew that a set back the franchise. And he's

466
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Speaker 1: still trying to work on a backup plan, whether it's

467
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Speaker 1: Jeys Tod him or somebody else to be the guy

468
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Speaker 1: that can succeed Tom Brady. W they had the succession

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Speaker 1: plan already in place. I mean, Jimy Garoppolo had played enough,

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Speaker 1: he had one en up. He was very comfortable and familiar.

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Speaker 1: It would have been an easy transition from Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: to Jimmy Garoppolo for the coaches. Um but it didn't

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Speaker 1: work out. But the whole time Brady thing leads me

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Speaker 1: to something that I've heard Tony Larussah, longtime manager, Hall

475
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Speaker 1: of Fame manager, say it is better to get rid

476
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Speaker 1: of a player a year too early than a year

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Speaker 1: too late. And you do wonder if Bill Belichick looks

478
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Speaker 1: out on the field and says, you know what, we

479
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Speaker 1: probably should have moved on from Tom Brady last year

480
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Speaker 1: or maybe even the year before, rather than having to

481
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Speaker 1: kind of scratch and clawe and fight our way through

482
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Speaker 1: uh an offense that's lived by quarterback with an insevere declimb. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was actually thinking of the movie Point Break. You

484
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Speaker 1: know when they when Patrick Swayzy they would go in

485
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Speaker 1: and rob the banks, and I remember, I think it

486
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Speaker 1: was like ninety seconds, right, They said they would be

487
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Speaker 1: in and out ninety seconds. They never go to the

488
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Speaker 1: vault because that's too risk. He uh take all the

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Speaker 1: cash at the front of the bank and then get

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Speaker 1: out of there. And Keanu Reeves famously when at the

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Speaker 1: end of the movie, Uh, Patrick Swayzy says, let's go

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Speaker 1: to the vault, and Kiano Reeves says, you're breaking your

493
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Speaker 1: own rules, man, You're breaking your own rules like that

494
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Speaker 1: has been the Patriots way of doing business. They have

495
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Speaker 1: been like that. That is, you know this only time

496
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Speaker 1: you ever hear Bill Belichick compared to Patrick Swayzy. But

497
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Speaker 1: they have they have this formula that works. They don't

498
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Speaker 1: get attached to players no matter who they are. If

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Speaker 1: it's Richard Seymour, h it doesn't matter. Go all the

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Speaker 1: way down the list of guys that they've got rid

501
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Speaker 1: of early as opposed to too late. Uh. And except

502
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Speaker 1: for this one exception, you know, this was this is

503
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Speaker 1: the greatest, arguably the greatest player of all time and

504
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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, and they did not want that on their

505
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Speaker 1: tombstone that they got rid of Tom Brady. White still

506
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Speaker 1: had some football left in him. Even though you could

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Speaker 1: make the case that the Patriot way would have been

508
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Speaker 1: the stick with Garoppolo and let Brady walk a little

509
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Speaker 1: bit early. So in this case, they kind of broke

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Speaker 1: their own rule. They absolutely broke their own rule. And

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Speaker 1: I understand that they always talked about exceptions to every rule,

512
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Speaker 1: but in breaking this rule, they may have heard their

513
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Speaker 1: franchise long term because this thing of the prospects of

514
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo growing with their defense in place, and look,

515
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Speaker 1: he's growing tremendously, obviously with Kyle Shanahan dolling it up,

516
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Speaker 1: but imagine him and he's playing with a defense that

517
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Speaker 1: is on part with that, right, But just imagine him

518
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Speaker 1: in New England. You're New England who has a young

519
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Speaker 1: quarterback that's coming to his own With that defense, it

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Speaker 1: actually would allow Bill Belichick to hit the reset button

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Speaker 1: and to play like the two thousand one, two thousand three,

522
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Speaker 1: two thou four Patriots that had leaned a little more

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Speaker 1: on their defense while Tom Brady grew from game manager

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Speaker 1: to franchise player. Um, it might have been looked it

525
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Speaker 1: might have been a solid or maybe a better development

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Speaker 1: plan for Jimmy Garoppolo. Not saying that he hasn't developed,

527
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Speaker 1: but it would have been a way for him to

528
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Speaker 1: develop without having all the pressure on the franchise and

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Speaker 1: the team could still could sustain their success, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Look fascinating. I would love to know what what everybody

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Speaker 1: else thinks about that. Let us know, Um, well, you

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Speaker 1: think the Patriots made the right room, right move or

533
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Speaker 1: the wrong move. Love to get your feedback on that,

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Speaker 1: all right, Buck, Let's let's get to the topic of

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, who came out recently and said, uh, the

536
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Speaker 1: following here, let's see. Um Uh, it's something I guess

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Speaker 1: I'll always uh somewhat entertained talking about taking over a

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Speaker 1: team as a general manager. I've had a chance to

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Speaker 1: talk with John Elway in previous years. I've visited with

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Speaker 1: John Lynch and the decision that he made to take

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Speaker 1: that job in San Francisco. And I've said many many times,

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Speaker 1: I still believe there is another frontier for me. Maybe

543
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Speaker 1: there's not, but I believe it there is, and I

544
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Speaker 1: think that might very well be it. It's something that

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Speaker 1: I would I think would be very challenging. I'd be

546
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Speaker 1: giving up to a lot to leave the job that

547
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Speaker 1: I have to take on a role like that. It's

548
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Speaker 1: an all consuming job. I certainly recognize that, but I

549
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Speaker 1: think the challenge would make it worthwhile. Um. So specifically,

550
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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman, Buck, how do you think that would go?

551
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: And then kind of a bigger picture kind of this, uh,

552
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Speaker 1: you know, non traditional way not guys that that kind

553
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Speaker 1: of came up the scouting route. Um, but what we've

554
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Speaker 1: seen with John Elway and John Lynch making that leap

555
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: into that ultimate decision maker role as a general manager. Well,

556
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: the one thing I would say about true Aigman, anyone

557
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Speaker 1: who's been around him, anyone who talked to people have

558
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: been around him. He's a very detailed, very meticulous and

559
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: calculated leader, planner, prepare and worker. Um. I think he

560
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: could work with him, and I think in all cases

561
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Speaker 1: that we've seen it work with former players, it works

562
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Speaker 1: because they have a supporting cast around him that enables

563
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Speaker 1: them to kind of do what they're stronger, which may

564
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Speaker 1: be the evaluation part, and have the other guys helped

565
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Speaker 1: him with the team building or whatever. But I think

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Speaker 1: in anything, it is a trained deal. So he would

567
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Speaker 1: have to humble himself to hire people that are smarter

568
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: than him, more experienced than him, until he could grow

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Speaker 1: in the role. But I certainly would it not him

570
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: because I do believe Troy Egman knows what a championship

571
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Speaker 1: team looks like. I do believe his experience in the

572
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson and all the things that took place in

573
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Speaker 1: Dallas when they were at their prime with Jimmy Johnson,

574
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Speaker 1: I think those experiences would help them. So I wouldn't

575
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Speaker 1: knock him for doing it. I just think you would

576
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Speaker 1: have to kind of learn on the fly and kind

577
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Speaker 1: of understand how to embrace the process. I agree with

578
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Speaker 1: you actually think he'd be really good. Uh, and you

579
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: hit the points you know. To me, you've got to

580
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: hire weaknesses. Okay, so the areas and and some of

581
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Speaker 1: the evaluation stuff. Makes you have somebody with experience in

582
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Speaker 1: that in that role that can help guide you as

583
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: you as you're learning as you go, UM. Somebody that

584
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Speaker 1: can help you on the financial side with the salary

585
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Speaker 1: cap and every organization has those people in place. Just

586
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: gotta make sure you get the right ones. But we say,

587
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Speaker 1: when you're hiring a head coach, you know, offense defense

588
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: says its scheme. No. Look, the best coaches really, when

589
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, they're great leaders. And I

590
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: think you could say the same for general managers. You

591
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: start with having that UM you know, that leadership style

592
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: persona that permeates to the whole organization. I think Troy

593
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Speaker 1: Aikman with his UM kind of seriousness, competitiveness, UM, intelligence

594
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: like all those things I think would play well as

595
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Speaker 1: as the head of an organization. Just make sure you

596
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Speaker 1: hire your weaknesses and learn as you go. And the

597
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: biggest thing is you've gotta be void of ego. Um,

598
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: you can't walk in there and think I'm Troy Aikman,

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00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: three times super Bowl winning quarterback. Um, you know, listen

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Speaker 1: to me and then we're off and running. No, You've

601
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Speaker 1: got to be humble enough to to listen. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's one of the strengths of a guy like

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Speaker 1: Ozzy Knewsom And Ozzy was different than l way uh

604
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Speaker 1: and John lynch Azzi was an assistant coach. Ozzy had

605
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Speaker 1: a job in the scouting department before he became the

606
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: ultimate decision maker there for the Ravens. So he came up,

607
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, and got that experience and humbled himself. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I think that humility has served Ozzy served him

609
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: well for a very long time. And two super Bowl

610
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Speaker 1: winners that he built, and really built what potentially could

611
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: be a third Super Bowl team there in Baltimore this year.

612
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: So UM, I actually, I actually think this could work.

613
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes we get carried away with um,

614
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: you know, maybe experience a little bit more than we

615
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: should over somebody that can be a great leader, somebody

616
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: that can build a coalition of of of folks that

617
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Speaker 1: can make good decisions, you know, it's funny. Um. I

618
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Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever told you this, but Ozzy

619
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Speaker 1: worked me out when I was coming out. Ozzie flew down.

620
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Speaker 1: It was Ozzy, Mike Lombardi, Bill Belichick. They came and

621
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Speaker 1: worked me out a couple of weeks before the draft,

622
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Speaker 1: and Ozzy was like you and I. He was kind

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Speaker 1: of like at the reason level. He was basically running

624
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Speaker 1: the pro day workout and it was just a private

625
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Speaker 1: workout with me and him. He's throwing golf balls and

626
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Speaker 1: the cross balls at me, just trying to check my

627
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: hand out coordination. But I think the thing that I

628
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Speaker 1: respected obviously, like because I wanted to follow in his footsteps,

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Speaker 1: like as a former player, to kind of make your way.

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Speaker 1: Ozzy did it at every level, and he really learned

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Speaker 1: the ends and out of not only being an evaluator,

632
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Speaker 1: but of building a team. And because he occupied roles

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Speaker 1: only on the field, but in the front office as

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Speaker 1: a coach then I scout, then are an executive and

635
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: worked his way up. I feel like he was really

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Speaker 1: prepared for when he got it. And I think, uh,

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Speaker 1: Troy Aman certainly can't come in and do those things.

638
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: But what Troy Aigman can do is take his experience,

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00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: surround him with the guys that can kind of help

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00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: him with his weaknesses or his inexperience, and then talk

641
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Speaker 1: about here's how I want this organization to feel like,

642
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: here's what we want to be about. Here's what I

643
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: want to see. Now. Who can help me make this

644
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Speaker 1: vision come to light? Hire those guys that can help

645
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Speaker 1: him do it, Pay them a lot so they'll be

646
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Speaker 1: around for a while. That's how you have to go

647
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: about doing it, no doubt. Um, it's it's Uh. It's

648
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: something I think could really work here, and I hope

649
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: Troy Akman does it. He's look, he's fantastic in the booth,

650
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: but I'd love to see him get that opportunity to

651
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Speaker 1: see what he can do with it. I have a feeling, Um,

652
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: he's not gonna fail. That's not really in his DNA buck.

653
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,479
Speaker 1: We've got the Senior Bowl reveal coming Tuesday. Um, that

654
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: is gonna be a fun one. We're gonna get a

655
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: chance to reveal the rosters for this game with our

656
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: buddy Jim Naggy. Um. And when you look at the

657
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, the importance of it, especially at the quarterback position.

658
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: We've seen the last couple of years. Um, you know,

659
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: we look at guys like Carson Wentz, Baker Mayfield. Uh,

660
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: using that as kind of a launching point. Daniel Jones

661
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: last year ended up being a top ten pick and

662
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: a guy that we've seen really take off in his

663
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: first two starts. Um, Drew lock and you got a

664
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Speaker 1: chance to to talk with him, We both did, I

665
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Speaker 1: guess if I remember correctly, They're at the Senior Bowl

666
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Speaker 1: last year. Um, and here's a little bit of that

667
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: conversation with the new quarterback there for the Denver Broncos,

668
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Speaker 1: Drew Lock. So and thinking about the basketball experiyers, how's

669
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Speaker 1: that basketball? The experience made you a better quarterback? Yeah,

670
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: it's been huge. I think as far as when I'm

671
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Speaker 1: going to recruit a quarterback, hopefully I can recruit quarterback,

672
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look for a guy that's diverse. I'm gonna

673
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: look for a guy that ran up and down the floor.

674
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Speaker 1: You think about how much athleticism takes to play at

675
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: the top level of basketball. It takes takes quite a bit.

676
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: Being able to see the floor, make openfield, past is

677
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: in and tight alleys. That translates to a football very well.

678
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta manipulate the pocket. You gotta find

679
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: the alleyways, you gotta move around a little bit. You

680
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: can't just be a stick in the mud. And basketball

681
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: help me not be that stick in the mind. There

682
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: you go. You're asking Drew Lock there about the multi

683
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: sport thing and something we've seen a lot with the quarterbacks.

684
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: Buck but uh, down there, I thought he had a

685
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: good week of practice. Um, and somebody that kind of

686
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: almost inexplicably fell to the second round. But you know,

687
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl this year, we'll see which of these quarterbacks.

688
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Will find out next week who's in who's out. But

689
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: it's got a chance to be a very good group. Yeah,

690
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: I think he does have a chance to be a

691
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: very good group. I think I think Drew Lock is

692
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Speaker 1: another one of those guys. DJ. When we talked about

693
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Speaker 1: the young quarterbacks and the lessons that we've learned, I

694
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: think we Drew Lock once again, is is can you

695
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Speaker 1: put your imagination in play? Can you imagine what Drew

696
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: Lock can be as a pro if surrounded by the

697
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: right stuff. Um, I think we could recognize the talent, Uh,

698
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: he did have outstanding armed We can see the athleticism,

699
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: going all the way back to his basketball background. We

700
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: saw him during the week of the Senior Bowl privazes

701
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: pick up in NFL playbook and offense and kind of

702
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: have a sense of mastery of it. But we wondered, Man,

703
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: the completion rate at Missouri wasn't great. Um, some of

704
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: the big games and the SEC weren't great. But what

705
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: we're seeing more teams now are a give us the traits.

706
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: Now that we know the trades, let's put him in

707
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the offense where you can succeed. And you're seeing in

708
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: in Denver, you're seeing bootleg quick rhythm passes, things that

709
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: allow him to get on the edge with his athleticism.

710
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: And it's done in a way that I wouldn't say

711
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: it's like elementary, but it's a simplified offense that allows

712
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: him to play and really leaning on his natural talents. Yeah,

713
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: we used the phrase just checking boxes, and you know,

714
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Speaker 1: and talking to some of the baseball guys down at

715
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Speaker 1: the win our meetings, it was interesting because they have

716
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: the same frustration where you get some scouts that tell

717
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: you everything that a guy can't do versus what he

718
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: can do, and we look at boxes with true luck.

719
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Speaker 1: Start Let's start let's talk about this one experience. I

720
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: guy started forty plus games in the sec UM. Let's

721
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Speaker 1: talk about the ability just pure arm strength, arm talent,

722
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it. He's got a tremendous arm um.

723
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Speaker 1: You mentioned the athleticism talking to him about basketball. He

724
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: checks that box, you know, the swagger, slash, energy, the

725
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: juice that he brings. That that was something you could see,

726
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: you know, in college, and you've seen that so far

727
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: early on in his NFL career. So while there's some edges,

728
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: some rough edges you need to smooth out man buck,

729
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: That's that's a lot to start with there, when you

730
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: look at what he does have. Yeah, and I think

731
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: that is the big question. And this is something that

732
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: Ron Woolf used to always talk about and when it

733
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: passed down everyone that worked in the organizations to hey,

734
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: guys that had worked up under him, Tell me what

735
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: a player can do. I don't want to hear about

736
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: what he can do. Tell me what he can do,

737
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: how he can play, what he could be less focused

738
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: on that as opposed to the easy part of a man.

739
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: We just keep tearing him down, keep telling every about

740
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: what he can do, and he can't play and then

741
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: just put him on the backboard. Yep, No, it's it's

742
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: that's the right way to do it. Man. All right, Nabill,

743
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: we've got to I think you got a question for

744
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: us here from from Apple Podcasts here, fire away, all right,

745
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: first question, it's the only question. My question is about

746
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: the interview process at the combine. When a team sits

747
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: down with the prospect, they're interested in what kind of

748
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: questions do they ask and how much weight does the

749
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: interview have on grading a prospect? All right, buck, take

750
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: that one, fire Away. I think it has an impact

751
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: because it's the first exposure that you get to the player,

752
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: and I think it's hard sometimes to overcome that first

753
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: impression at the at the at the combine. The way

754
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: the process goes. Area scales obviously are most familiar with prospects. Uh.

755
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: You may see those guys at an All Star game.

756
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: But when we get to the comment that's the first

757
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: time that the coaches and the high level scales sometimes

758
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: of being able to get around him. And so when

759
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: he walks into the room, Uh, those fifteen minutes mean

760
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: a lot because and after you well that you're only

761
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: gonna spend those fifteen minutes at the combine whatever time

762
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: you get around him at the pro day and then

763
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: a private visit and then that amount of time you

764
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: can make a decision on whether you think this guy

765
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: can fit into your locker room. So that first impression

766
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: matters a lot, because sometimes you can't change the impact

767
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: of that first impression. Yeah, And and in the scouting process,

768
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: like teams are just coming out of meetings right now,

769
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: there are a lot of teams have been meeting early

770
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: in December, and what they're doing is they're kind of

771
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: putting the profile together on the player and that's gonna

772
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: come with some question marks, flags, holes, whatever you want

773
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: to call him. And that's the way in the combined

774
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: interview to get those things answered. For instance, you know

775
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: there's reports this guy had a little bit of a

776
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: weight problem when he was younger. Uh in the program,

777
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: like what why was that? And what did you do

778
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: to get it corrected? And shoot, it isn't gonna be

779
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: a concern for us going forward. Well, that's a line

780
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: of question and you might have for him once you

781
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: get a chance to sit down and is with him

782
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: there maybe there's an off the field incident that took

783
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: place at one point in time. Okay, you've got in

784
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: a fight, Now explain that to us what happened. Um,

785
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: it's a way to get a lot of those things answered.

786
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: And then also it's a way in a brief exposure

787
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: to put them up on the board find out kind

788
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: of where they are mentally, you know, how much understanding

789
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: knowledge that they have of their scheme, their offense, their defense,

790
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: and find out what kind of their football intelligence looks like. Um,

791
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: and that's something you can do at least a little

792
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: bit of uh, during that period, that fifteen minute period there.

793
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what goes on there. Anything else

794
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: you can think of buck that that, uh, it might

795
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: be a value. No, I mean, I think I think

796
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: a lot of it depends on like if a guy

797
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: has a character issue. Now, if he doesn't have a

798
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: character issue, then it's all about ball and it's all

799
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: about how he responds to the questions that you pepper

800
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: him with related to football. If he does out care

801
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: have character issues, is how does he respond to the

802
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: answers that we are but to the questions that we

803
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: already know the answers to is he truthful? Is he forthcoming?

804
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Is he can trite? Has he learned from those negative experiences,

805
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: they may have impacted his his character. Um, all of

806
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: those things matter, and the only way that you can

807
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: really figure out if someone has learned is do that

808
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: sit down and matching it up with what you hear

809
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: from everyone who is around him on campus and off campus,

810
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, it's uh, it's kind of again Bucky

811
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: mentioned a minute ago, it's those coaches first exposure to

812
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: these guys too, so that does carry a lot of weight.

813
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: That first impression doesn't matter, um, Buck, anything else you

814
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: want to you want to get to before we wrap

815
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: this bad Boy up? No, I mean that that's it. Man.

816
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: I think it's been a really good podcast because what

817
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: I what I like is being able to bring into

818
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: different perspective the conversations with the baseball guys and what

819
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: you kind of heard, uh down there in winter meetings.

820
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Speaker 1: I think that was fascinating. I can't wait to explore

821
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: and expand on that in future podcast. I appreciate you're

822
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Speaker 1: gonna see a lot more of that content. We'll figure

823
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Speaker 1: out a way to package it up for everybody to

824
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: get a chance to listen to. I think you will

825
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Uh, this has been a fun episode. Want

826
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Speaker 1: to thank the Bill for all the work he does

827
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Speaker 1: coordinating the podcast getting this thing together. Buck. When are

828
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Speaker 1: you coming back? Man? When are you coming back to

829
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: the States? May I'll be back. I'll be back on Monday.

830
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Speaker 1: I'll be in a studio on Tuesday, ready to rock,

831
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: ready to share about all the things that I learned

832
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: about the UK. No, I can't wait. We're gonna get

833
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Speaker 1: it all, get it all out there on the pod

834
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Speaker 1: next week. Thank you guys so much for checking us out.

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