1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I am so excited to begin my new 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: season of Next Question, which starts next Thursday, February. For 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: our first episode this season, we're kicking things off with 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: the one and only actor, director Robin Wright, who's talking 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: about her new film and directorial debut, Land. And we're 6 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: also going to be talking with Robin about how things 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: are changing for women in Hollywood. In the meantime, I 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: had a really interesting conversation with Maryland Governor Larry Hogan, 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: who I think is a rock star, and I wanted 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: to share it with you as soon as possible. You know, 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: at a time where there's so much talk about uniting 12 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: our bitterly divided country, I think Governor Hogan could be 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: used as a model for unity as an incredibly popular 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: Republican leader of a very blue state near my home 15 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: state of Virginia. Of course, we're talking about Maryland. I 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: spoke with him about this unprecedented moment in our nation's history, 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: what it means to be a common sense conservative, and 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: why he thinks we're just at the beginning of a 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: long and difficult battle for the soul of the Republican Party. 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: Oh and I also asked him if he'd ever run 21 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: for president, Governor Hogan, what in the world is going 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: on with the Republican Party. Well, that's a really good question, Katie. Um, 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: some of us are really trying hard to figure that out. 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: I it's I never imagined it could get quite as 25 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: bad as it's gotten at this point. I think we're 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: really in the midst of, in the just the beginning 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: of what is going to be a long, you know 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: and difficult battle for the soul of the Republican Party. 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're heading off in the direction where, um, 30 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to be able to successfully 31 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: win national elections anymore. Where it's gonna be difficult for 32 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: the Republicans to ever get the House or the Senate back, 33 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: or to win the White House back unless we can 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: return to some sanity. Um. And there are a number 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: of us who are trying to return to a more traditional, 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: you know, common sense conservative party, more reaganesque, bigger tent 37 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: party that can appeal to with a positive message that 38 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: we can you know, try to work with Democrats on. 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: But there's an awful lot of others who are wanting 40 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: to take us down this path that has no chance 41 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: of success. In fact, I was going to ask you, governor, 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: are you in the minority? Is the Republican Party now 43 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: squarely the party of Donald Trump? Well, I think it 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: has been, and I think perhaps it still is, but 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: I think his influence is is slowly beginning to diminish. 46 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: I think after the loss of the election, after the 47 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: the crazy conspiracy theories about the election being stolen, and 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: then particularly after the insurrection at the Capitol. While he 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: still has an awful lot of uh, you know, supporters 50 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: in the Republican Party, it's dropped considerably and there are 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: at least thirty or forty of the Republican Party who 52 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: do not want to see Donald Trump involved in the 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: party party in a substantial way. So it's it's still 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: a majority, but a shrinking majority, and it's a majority 55 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: of a much smaller party. Uh you know, it's we've 56 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: been shrinking the base, and uh, we've got to growth. 57 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: The basis that let's talk about his scathing statement about 58 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell. What was your reaction to that. Well, on 59 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: the one hand, it wasn't surprising, Katie, because we've seen, 60 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, these kind of attacks on fellow Republicans and 61 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: on other people and kind of this angry rhetoric for years. 62 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: But um, you know, Mr McConnell, who didn't vote for impeachment, 63 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: I think I think, you know, really spoke how he felt. 64 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: And obviously he's concerned about winning the Senate back. And um, 65 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there were politics involved, but I 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: think he meant the words that he said, and um, 67 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: and I admired him for being willing to speak up, 68 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: but for the President to attack him in the personal 69 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: way that he did, it's, you know, it's kind of 70 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: what we've come to expect. It seems that as if governor, 71 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: people speak out against Donald Trump at their own risk. Um, 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of fear about Republicans list 73 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: Chainey among them getting out primary. And I'm curious if 74 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: you have gotten any backlash because you've been pretty outspoken 75 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: about the fact that you would have voted to convict 76 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: if you had been in the U. S. Senate. Well, 77 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: not being in the Senate and not being in the 78 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: House and not not not taking a vote may put 79 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: me in a different position. It also didn't come as 80 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: any surprise for me to speak out because I've been 81 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: speaking the exact same way for the entire time since 82 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump announced this presidential campaign, uh, you know, four 83 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: years ago. So I think some people who haven't spoken 84 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: out for four years are are experiencing, you know, and 85 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: finally did are are getting the the brunt of the criticism. 86 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: You know. I also happened to be in a state 87 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: where I ran forty five points ahead of Donald Trump, 88 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: and so, uh you know, he lost by thirty and 89 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: I won by fifteen. Uh so he doesn't have quite 90 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: the same influence over me. And and I'm also just 91 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: not as concerned about, you know, what people think about it. 92 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I just I've always been pretty 93 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: blunt and say exactly what I think. Your father was 94 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: a real profile encourage back in nineteen seventy four when 95 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: he was the only Republican to vote for all three 96 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon. But there are very 97 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: few profiles encouraged today. Only seven Republican Senators voted to 98 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: convict Donald Trump in that impeachment hearing. Why do you 99 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: think that's the case. Well, thank you for mentioning my dad. 100 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm awful proud of him. I learned a 101 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: lot about integrity and public service from him. He was 102 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: the first Republican in Congress to come out for Nixon's impeachment. 103 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: He was on the House Judiciary Committee. He was the 104 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: only Republican to vote for all three articles of impeachment. 105 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: So talk about he was one the only one. Uh. 106 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: And here we had seven senators and ten members of 107 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: the House, and you know, I uh, you know, I 108 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: admire them for voting their conscience and having the guts 109 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: to stand up. I can tell you without any question 110 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: that there were far more senators and far more House 111 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: members and plenty of my colleagues that are governors who 112 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: felt exactly the same way, but who haven't spoken up 113 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: and and and didn't cast those votes because they were 114 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: afraid of the retribution and the attacks and being primaried. 115 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: And the ones who did did so at their own risk. 116 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, my dad back in the seventies, 117 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: he suffered, He knew he was potentially ending his political career, 118 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: but he did what he thought was right for the country. 119 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: And I think some of those folks, I really admire 120 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: the fact that they had the guts. There just weren't 121 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: enough of them. Well, what about the fact that there 122 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: weren't enough of them? Are these people just addicted to 123 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: power over country, party over country, anything over country. I'm 124 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: not sure I would characterize it quite like that, Katie. 125 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard for me to put myself in 126 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: and judge how people were making these decisions, um, and 127 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: how they arrived at their conclusion. Some people really, UM 128 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: didn't know. I think sincerely didn't believe thought he was wrong, 129 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: thought he insight in the violence, but that they that 130 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: you couldn't shouldn't impeach a former president, and that the 131 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: election was over. Some people, I think thought that we 132 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: needed to put Donald Trump behind us and not continue 133 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the the talk. And some people I think maybe thought 134 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: he was guilty and didn't have the guts to vote 135 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: that way. UM. So it's a little bit of all that. 136 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: But I don't I wouldn't say they, you know, I 137 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: don't want to characterize what they did because I I 138 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: can't put myself inside of their own minds and their 139 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: hearts and figure out what they how they decided their vote. 140 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going to have more of 141 00:07:46,320 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: my conversation with the Governor of Maryland, Larry Hogan. It 142 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: comes to this, Fike, Governor Hogan, over the heart and 143 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: soul of the Republican Party. How do you reconcile the 144 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: fact that of Republicans say they have a positive view 145 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: of President Trump and over half would vote for him 146 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: again in it's a little surprising, um, but you know, 147 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: he uh he, he really has had quite a following 148 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: over the past four years. And uh you know, I 149 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: think that's going to continue to diminish as time goes on, 150 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: and and you know, I think we're just getting by 151 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: the election. It's surprising to me that so many people 152 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: believe this, this talk about the election being stolen, which 153 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have any basis in fact. I mean, you know, 154 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: some of my Republican governor colleagues who were very strong 155 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: supporters of the president, you know, they certified the elections, 156 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: and you know, they wouldn't overturn the election, and they're 157 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: telling us there just wasn't any truth to these rumors. 158 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: But it's amazing how many people believe them. And it's 159 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: all about you know, social media and and disinformation, and 160 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: we've got to figure out how many how so many 161 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: people were misled. Well, at this juncture, it does seem 162 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: that more centrist moderate Republicans such as yourself are in 163 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,239 Speaker 1: the minority. Still So how do you change that's statistic? 164 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: How do you bring more people to your side if 165 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: you will what you believe the GOP should be. Well, 166 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be easy, Katie, and I don't have 167 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: a I don't have a magic wand to make everything 168 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: magically go back to normal again. But in my opinion, 169 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: this was kind of a hostile takeover of the Republican 170 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Party four years ago. Donald Trump was lifelong Democrat and independent. 171 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: It just became a Republican mostly supported Democrats its whole life. 172 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: While while I was chairing youth for Yan Trump was 173 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: working for the Democrats in eight and eighty four. So 174 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: how how this came about is we can go back 175 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: and figure it out. But I don't know whether we 176 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: are going to be successful or not quite Frankly, it's 177 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: something we're going to decide over the next two years 178 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: or four years. But as a lifelong you know, Republican 179 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: who believes in my party and wants to return to 180 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: a more traditional Republican party, I'm I think it's worth 181 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: fighting for. Some people have given up. I understand that, um, 182 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: and some people say it's a it's kind of hopeless, 183 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: But UM, I'm not gonna give up, and I happen 184 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: to believe we we do have a chance. And uh, 185 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: I think if if we want to win purple states, 186 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: if we want to win competitive districts, in suburban congressional districts, 187 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: if we want to elect Republican governors in places like Maryland, 188 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: one of the blue states in the country, and in 189 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: New England with Charlie Baker in Massachusetts, and Phil Scott 190 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: and Vermont and Krista new New in New Hampshire, Democratic states. 191 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: You know, we we we can't keep alienating large swaths 192 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: of the electorate, and we can't just keep trying to 193 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: focus on a smaller and smaller base. You know, in Maryland, 194 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: I've I've you know, won overwhelmingly with with suburban women, 195 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: with Democrats and Independence and Conservatives and Republicans, And you've 196 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: got to find a message that can appeal to more people, 197 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: because successful politics is about, you know, uh, addition and multiplication, 198 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: not subtraction and division. You can't win elections if you 199 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: can't convince people that your ideas are the right ones. 200 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: There's some talk Governor about potentially starting a new party, 201 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: a third party. I've heard it called the p Trade Party, 202 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: and other things Um, what do you think about that idea? 203 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: Is that sort of a pie in the sky notion? Well, 204 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, you hear it from both ads. There's definitely 205 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: a divide in the Republican Party, you know. Uh, but 206 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: you've heard they were talking about a mega party that 207 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: President Trump was said he wouldn't rule out, you know, 208 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: starting up party of his own. Uh. You know that 209 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: more traditional Republicans are, I think, trying to get their 210 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: own party back. Um, And so I think we're going 211 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: to figure that out. It's very difficult to have a 212 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: third party or hav any. I think there's an overwhelming 213 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: majority of Americans that once when survey showed about seventy 214 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: three percent of the people in America are somewhere in 215 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: the middle. They really aren't happy with the Democratic Party 216 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: moving too far to the left. They're not really happy 217 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: with where the Republican Party is. They're either moderate or 218 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: right of center, left of center. They're not only extremes 219 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: of either party. And I think it is where most 220 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: voters are. But it's very difficult of a process to 221 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: figure out how you nominate people that can appeal to 222 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: those people. Lindsey Graham has said that he is quite 223 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: worried about the midterm elections in two. Given the rift 224 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: that we've seen exposed between Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump 225 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: there now at each other's throat, I'm more worried about 226 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: two than I've ever been. I don't want to eat 227 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: our own President Trump is the most consequential Republican in 228 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: the party. We don't have a snowball's chance in hell 229 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: of taking back the majority without Donald Trump. How concerned 230 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: are you about that? Well, he ought to be concerned, 231 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you know the leader McConnell is concerned 232 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: as well. Look if if if they start primary senators 233 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: or congressmen who don't agree with the president or don't 234 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: support the president and elect, you know, kind of more 235 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: Q and On supporters and really people that are out 236 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: there on the fringe. They may be able to defeat 237 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: them in a primary, but they're going to lose all 238 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: those elections in November. And you know, I'm of the 239 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: opinion we have to nominate candidates that can appeal to 240 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: more people and win in November. It doesn't matter who 241 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: you knock off in a primary. Apparently the Trump e 242 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: ist Republicans are at the state and local level much 243 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: more so than in the nation's capital. So how do 244 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: you handle that, Trent and what can you do about that? Well, so, 245 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's uh the way these it's the same 246 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: thing in that in both parties. Really the most activists 247 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: folks are usually on the central committees at the run 248 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: the local parties. They're not necessarily the actual leaders of 249 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: the party in those states, and they're usually not elected officials, 250 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: but you know they're certainly the Trump team took over 251 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: most of the state party apparatus. Um, you're seeing some 252 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: of those uh, party officials attacking uh, you know, the 253 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: United States senators and congressmen who had the audacity to 254 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: stand up and tell the truth and for people like Sindy, 255 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: people like Cindy McCain. Yeah, going after Cindy McCain and 256 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: Governor Doug Doocey and uh, and you know, it's it's 257 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: just crazy. So, you know, the governors that were strong 258 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: Trump supporters, like Doug Doocey in Arizona or Governor Kemp 259 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: in Georgia or being attacked by the Republicans, and you know, 260 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense. But you know it's 261 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't put a lot of mistake in that it 262 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. You know, like for example, in two 263 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, you know, I'm the second Republican in fifty 264 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: years to get elected, only kind of want two hund 265 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: forty three years to get reelected my state party. Um, 266 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, Apparatus did a convention where I came in 267 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: fourth place, but I'm the highest vote getter ever state. 268 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure they have as much influence as 269 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: you think. And uh, they can criticize or censure all 270 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: they want, but leaders are going to step up and lead. 271 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: It sounds as if you think that Republicans could potentially 272 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: cannibalize themselves by putting for candidates that are extreme right 273 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: or very much you know, Trump followers, but cannot then 274 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: have success on election day. I think that's the biggest, 275 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: the big the biggest concern, because look, um, political parties 276 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: exist because you want to win election, so you get 277 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: a chance to govern, so you can you know, push 278 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: your ideas and your agenda. If we nominate people that 279 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: are unelectable in November, we don't get to run anything. 280 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: We don't get the we don't're not gonna have a 281 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: Republican president. We're not gonna have any Republicans controlling legislative bodies, 282 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna lose our big majority among governors. We're gonna 283 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: lose legislative bodies. You know. We we have to elect 284 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: in the primary, nominate the people that are most electable, 285 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: or we're gonna lose a whole lot more seats. The 286 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: more pro Trump of GEOP becomes, the more it could 287 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: help the Democratic Party. Well, that's exactly my point, Katie. 288 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: And that's the point I'm trying to make. I mean, 289 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: I know, you know it's like, well, you're not a 290 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: true believer, so we have to get rid of you. 291 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: Well I am. I do happen to be the most 292 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: popular governor in America who had the only one to 293 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: win in Maryland two or four three years. So maybe 294 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: you shouldn't get rid of me because you're not going 295 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: to get you know, one of these guys you and 296 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: on is not going to get elected governor might stay. 297 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: I'll be continuing my chat with Maryland Governor Larry Hogan. 298 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: Right after this. There was some speculation that you might 299 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: challenge Donald Trump in that didn't happen. But are you 300 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: considering a possible run in I never really seriously considered. 301 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: In there were a lot of people kind of encouraging that, 302 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: but I never you know, formed an exploratory or tick 303 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: took it too seriously. I just didn't think it was possible. 304 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: In four, I get that question a lot, and I'm 305 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: not trying to duck your question, but we really are. 306 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: I have a really important day job in the middle 307 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: of a state of emergency, trying to save lives, trying 308 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: to vaccinate millions of people, working on our economic recovery, 309 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: and I'm really going to try to stay focused on 310 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: doing that important day job for at least the next 311 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: two years of my term. And there's plenty of time 312 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: between now and four to worry about. But I am 313 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: gonna do what I can to, you know, save my 314 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: party that I've been a part of my whole life, 315 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna speak out and continue to try to 316 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: be a voice. And the abstract is it's something that 317 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: appeals to you, governor, Well, it's certainly something not something 318 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: I would rule out, especially if I felt the call 319 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: to duty. If I if I as if you know, 320 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 1: I was somebody who could run a credible challenge and 321 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: could potentially get to take the party back on track. 322 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm more concerned about a future for the 323 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: Republican Party than than my future in the party. But um, 324 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, obviously, you know it's something we're gonna certainly 325 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: take a look at. Governor, How can I I know 326 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: you were very concerned on January six, tell me your 327 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: reaction to the insurrection on Capitol Hill and the actions 328 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: you took as a result. But I was shocked and outraged. 329 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: I was in my office on a on a video 330 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: conference with the ambassador from Japan to the United States, 331 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: and my my chief of staff, came in. It was 332 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: much like George Bush when he was reading to the 333 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: kids in nine eleven, when when when somebody whispered in 334 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: his ear, my chief of staff says, the capital is 335 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: under attack. Uh. And you know I quickly excused myself 336 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: from the the call the conference with the ambassador. I 337 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: immediately called security team and my chiefest staff have talked 338 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: with the mayor of d C who was desperately asking 339 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: for our assistance. I called my security team together and 340 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: within five minutes time, some in person, some on the 341 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: conference video conference. It was our the the Adjutant General 342 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: of our Maryland National Guard, the Superintendent of the Maryland 343 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: State Police are homeland security by all all of our 344 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: security team together about ten people, and immediately said what 345 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: can we do? How fast can we move? Um? We 346 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: called up our entire Maryland State Police UM instant response 347 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: team that are all riot trained. Immediately sent them heading 348 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: towards Washington. UH and we uh. We had this discussion 349 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: about the National Guard. The mayor of d C was 350 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: requesting help from our National Guard. It's a unique situation 351 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: because you don't have a National Guard in DC. They 352 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: don't have the authority every state governor. If Pennsylvania says, hey, 353 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: we need help, we just send them over in Virginia. 354 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: But in d C, we have to get the sign 355 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: off from the Secretary of Defense. So we kept running 356 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: it up the flagpole, you know, and we kept being 357 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: denied by the Department of Defense. Meanwhile, while these meetings 358 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: are going on, I get a call from Stenny Hoyer, 359 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: the Majority Leader, who says to me, you know, you 360 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: know someone a panicked voice says he's in He's been 361 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: whisked away to a bunker or some undisclosed location with 362 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi and with Chuck Schumer. And he's saying, Governor 363 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: this you know the Capitol police have been overwhelmed and 364 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: they've taken over the capitol. Can you send us help, 365 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, just you know, begging for help. And I said, 366 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, Stenny, we have several hundred members of the 367 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, Maryland State Police on the way. They should 368 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: be there shortly, um And he said, we need to 369 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: Can you send the National Guard? And I said, I've 370 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: called up my national Guard. We called up a thousand 371 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 1: members of the National Guard. But we don't have authorization. 372 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 1: And Stenny was yelling across the room too. He's saying, hey, 373 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: you know, Hogan says they don't have authorization, and he says, 374 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: you know. The Hoyer says no. The Chuck says, you do. 375 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: And I'm saying, Stanny, I'm telling you I don't. We've 376 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: been told three times by the Department Offense we don't 377 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: have authorization. Does back and forth, back and forth. About 378 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: two hours later, I'm still in the meeting with my team, 379 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: talking about where are the guards stationed outside of DC, 380 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: how many police are in there. I get a call 381 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: on my cell phone from Ryan McCarthy, the acting Secretary 382 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: of the Army. He is on a number of my 383 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: personal phone. I don't even recognize and I but I answered, anyway, 384 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: you know in Virginia number, And he says, can you 385 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: send the National Guard in the d C. And I 386 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: was like, Uh, yeah, We've been waiting for two hours. 387 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: So we Maryland National Guard were the first first ones 388 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: from outside of DC to arrive from Maryland State Police 389 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: were next to arrive after the Metropolitan Police. Uh. And 390 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: we we did everything we could to support them, we said, 391 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: a thousand members of the National Guard, we said, I 392 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: think members of the Maryland State Police and so of 393 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: our allied county police forces at Prince George's and Montgomery County. 394 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: But the hoops who had to jump through. Governor, I mean, 395 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: it's just unbelievable. Do you believe that a nine eleven 396 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: style commission will be able to get to the bottom 397 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: of it? And this is the right thing to do, 398 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: to investigate what happened and why, you know, I do 399 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: think we need full transparency and I think we need 400 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of exactly what happened and why. 401 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: You know. Frankly, I'm so busy focused on the COVID crisis. 402 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know all the details of 403 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: what the proposal has been on the on the establishment 404 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: of the commission that heard the speaker talk about. My 405 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: concern is that, uh, you know, we really need a 406 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: fair and objective process. Um. And if it's just another 407 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: if it's a partisan process just run by the House Democrats, um, 408 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: it's not likely to have you know, it's we're gonna 409 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: be mired in the same divisiveness and dysfunction with Republicans 410 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: and Democrats retreating to their corners. I think time is 411 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: gonna tell exactly how Donald Trump and his administration comes 412 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: out of this. I think still got things to address 413 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: and potentially in court cases and certainly the court of 414 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: public opinion. But I'm not sure that another congressional effort 415 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: is really what we need right now, as we have 416 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: to really focus on this COVID crisis that is killing 417 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: people across the country. We're fighting variants, we need vaccines, 418 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: and we need the economic recovery package. We need a 419 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: compromise bill. Get That's really I'm more concerned about that 420 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: right now than arguing more about what happened last month. You, 421 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: in fact, this week signed Maryland's one billion dollar bipartisan 422 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: relief bill, which you said will help Marylanders barely hanging 423 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 1: on right now, Um, can you just give us an 424 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: update on what the situation is like in your state 425 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: and the continued frustration that you're feeling about vaccine distribution, 426 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: and if you're feeling more hopeful with President Biden's plan 427 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: to get people vascinated. Well, yeah, sure. Well I'm very 428 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: proud of the fact that just on Monday, I signed 429 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: into law this Relief Act of One, which was our 430 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: signature piece of legislation. I said it was the most 431 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: important thing for our legislative session to focus on. My legislature. 432 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: Democratic in both the House and the Senate um, and 433 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: I called on them to work with us in a 434 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: bipartisan way. It's more than a billion dollars in tax 435 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: relief and economic stimulus for struggling Maryland families and small 436 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: businesses and people who've lost their jobs. And it passed 437 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: nearly unanimously. One Republican in the House voted against that, 438 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: every Democrat and every Republican in the Senate voted forward. 439 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: So it's what I've been saying. I had a meeting 440 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: in the Oval Office with Joe Biden for an hour 441 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: and a half on Friday, and I said to him, 442 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: I really think it would be better if you could 443 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: find a compromise that the Republicans could get on board with. 444 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: And this was, you know, earlier in the day, I 445 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: went back to Annapolis and passed the bill nearly unanimous 446 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: lee with my Democratic legislation, I was trying to put 447 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: my money where my mouth is. Um But on the vaccines, 448 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: it's very hopeful that we now have vaccines, the fact 449 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: that they're actually out a year or eighteen months before 450 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: anyone imagined they could be. Operation Warp Speed was a success, 451 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: but we just don't have enough vaccines. And all the governors, 452 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: we have calls every week with the coronavirus. The team 453 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: from from the Biden administration, Jeff Science, is heading that up. 454 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: We have on there all of the cabinet officials and 455 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 1: you know, the head of the CDC and everybody, and 456 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: we had the lines of communication are good. We have 457 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: set up huge infrastructures. Were now doing about sticking the 458 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: thirty thousand needles a day and people's arms vaccinating them. 459 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: But we only received twelve thousand a day from the 460 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: federal government. We could do a hundred thousand a day 461 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: if we had the vaccine supply. And it really it's 462 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: a it's a race between from between vaccines and variants. 463 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: Very scary stuff out there, and we just have to 464 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: have more. So we had calls today with some of 465 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: the manufacturers. UM. We we've been talking everywhere about how 466 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: do we increase this capacity. It's nobody's fault. It's not 467 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: uh to criticize anyone. Everybody's trying their best. It's all 468 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: hands on deck. It's the federal, state and local governments 469 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: and the private sector working together. But it's way too slow. 470 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: We we just need more vaccines. Every state does. When 471 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: you expressed your frustrations to President Biden, did you get 472 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: anything that encouraged you or made you more optimistic about this? Well, I, 473 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: first of all, I was I was optimistic in that 474 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: he reached out. You know that the president and Vice 475 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: President spent an hour and a half with four governors 476 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: in the Oval Office, two Republicans and two Democrats and 477 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: actually listened and said, you know, very sincerely that they 478 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: do want to work in a bipartisan way and that 479 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: we we are all in this together. And um, and 480 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: he did listen to some of our concerns about the 481 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: vaccine rollout. It wasn't criticism on our part, but we 482 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: were basically saying, look, we need more understanding of when 483 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: and how many and where because as we're making the 484 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: decisions about we have distribution points in Maryland, and yet 485 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: we don't know kind of when we're getting a supply 486 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: or how many or where they're sending them to pharmacy. 487 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: So a little more coordination and and they've promised to 488 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: try to improve some of those things with US. Governor Hogan, 489 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: thank you so much. You're always so fun to talk 490 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: to and and so like direct and you actually answer 491 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: the questions. It's a real pleasure. Well, thank you very much, Katie, 492 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thanks for the opportunity. Next Question 493 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: with Katie Kuric is a production of I Heart Radio 494 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: and Katie Curriic Media. The executive producers are Katie Kurik, 495 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: Courtney Litz, and Tyler Klang. The supervising producer is Lauren Hansen. 496 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: Our show producer is Bethan Macaluso. The associate producers are 497 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: Emily Pinto and Derek Clements. Editing by Derrek Clements, Dylan Fagin, 498 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: and Lowell Berlante. Mixing by Dylan and Fagin. 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