1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Annie, and this is Bridget and you're 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: listening to Steph Mom never told you. And today we 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: are updating an episode that is very near and dear 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: to me that Christen and Caroline did a couple a 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: while back on women, the history of women running marathons 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: or not running marathons, because for a long time it 7 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: um it was not as easy as you might think 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: for a for a woman to run in a marathon, 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: it was seen as unhealthy for her, bad for her uterus. 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: So many things that society wants women to not do. 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: They say, it's bad for your uterus. We don't want to, 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: we don't want to mess with that. Let's just let's 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: just not run. How about that, ladies? Exactly one of 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: my favorite I hope that you're okay with me sharing that. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: But when Annie and I first became friends and we 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: first started doing the show together, we were once taking 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: a walk in Atlanta on the is it the skyline? 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: What's the belt line? And I'm a I'm a dog fanatic. 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: If I see a dog, I run up to it 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: and want to make friends with it, And there was 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: this really cute dog. I hope any shaking your head, 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: she doesn't want me to tell this story, but uh, 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: is it okay if I tell it? Go for it? 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: Go for it? And I said, oh, Annie, look at 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: that cute dog. You know, I was really excited. And 26 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: she said, oh, I don't really like dogs. And I said, 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, you don't like dogs, Like this was 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: shocking information. But then she explained that because she's an 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: avid runner, when you're a big runner, sometimes dogs create 30 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: a problem and that have created a problem for Annie 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: and that thus she's not super into she she does 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: not have the overwhelming love of dogs and I had. 33 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: So that was the first This was very very early 34 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: on and meeting Annie, and I was like, oh, running 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: must be a huge part of her life. If it's 36 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: such a big part of her day to day that 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: it's it's changed her relationship to dogs. I'm got you 38 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: didn't just like I'd rather you not come on snichy anymore. 39 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: You know, I'm usually skeptical of people who don't like dogs, 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: but you know, I warmed up to you. We we 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: we got sart of it. We did um. That is 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: one of my deepest, darkest confessions. I know, as I 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: was sharing it, I was like, am I getting too 44 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: personal and he's just like of dogs. I like dogs 45 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: in a non outdoor running setting, and I'll just leave 46 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: it at that. I do love running. I I run 47 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: all the time. I will I will say my relationship 48 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: with running, I call it my coping mechanism gone wrong. 49 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: So I perhaps run too much and I'm trying to 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: back away from it, but never nevertheless, I am getting 51 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: I'm gearing up to run the Atlanta Pahgre Road Race, 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: which is the largest in gay in the world, and 53 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: it takes place on the fourth of July. UM, Kristen 54 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: and Caroline are going to talk about that in the 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: in the episode that we're about to play as well. 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: It's a big part of Atlanta. UM, my ex boyfriend 57 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: is running it, and I uh some prides on the line. 58 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta beat him. Yeah, that's what I 59 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: loved how we talked about this earlier off Mike. You're 60 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: very competitive about it. I'm extremely competitive about it, UM, 61 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: and I try to keep it like low key so 62 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: I don't I don't freak people out, but I'm very 63 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: competitive and I'm ashamed to say I started running originally 64 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: to impress a guy, and he could have cared less 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: he could have cared less, but it did push me too. 66 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: I was the only woman. We had like these weird 67 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: teams at Georgia Tech, and I was on one of them, 68 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: and I was on the fast team, and I was 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: the only woman on the fast team. So what's funny 70 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: to me is that the Atlanta road Race is also 71 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: kind of a big thing in my family. My dad 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: did it pretty much every year. My aunt Marie and 73 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: sometimes my aunt Veronica would also join him. What's funny 74 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: is that I've actually never been, but the way they 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: describe it is they're walking. Sometimes they like stop and 76 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: I got a drink. People are giving them slices of pizza. 77 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: When I was like, oh, it's this fun, free Whilan thing, 78 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't until talking to you Annie that I'd realized, Oh, 79 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: people take it seriously how some people can take Some 80 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: people take it very very seriously. There are very competitive. 81 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: Others are basically, you know, eating tacos exactly. I've always 82 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to stop and partake in the beer 83 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: and tacos, but yeah, I'm like, way too competitive. Plus 84 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: it's really hot. It's very hot, so I'd like to 85 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: get it. I like to finish as early as possible 86 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: to beat the heat. If that's a thing. UM, we 87 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: do have some facts for you. The rates of female 88 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: race finishers have gone up since this episode of this 89 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: UM Classic episode was first recorded. In the US, women 90 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: made up for fifty seven percent of finishers in or 91 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: about ten point seven million female racers. And that's up. 92 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: It's a lot more women are running in It's become 93 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: a lot more diverse. Groups like Black Girls Run are 94 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: helping to diversify running. Black Girls Run, to the groups 95 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: that I'm affiliated with, has about two thousand participants and 96 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: it really kind of makes it more of an inclusive space. 97 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: But what I love about Black Girls Run is that 98 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: it just sort of reminds folks that running and then 99 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: physical fitness writ large, it's for everybody. I think. You know, 100 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: it can be considered something that black women don't do 101 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: for a whole host of reasons that we should get 102 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: into for in another episode. But there are groups that 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: are trying to remind folks that running it's for everyone, women, 104 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: people of color, everyone. Yeah. Absolutely, UM. And this uptick 105 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: and running means that companies are finally starting to look 106 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: into putting out better equipment for women, like better sports 107 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: rats is uh. The sports broad episode is one of 108 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: Smithy's most popular episodes ever, so we should we should 109 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: look into that. And of course there are problems. There's 110 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: still problems because it's it can be cost prohibitive for 111 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: some people not easily accessible. UM. Product marketed towards women 112 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: are generally more expensive. UM. But it is it's good 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: that we're moving that way because some women are turned 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: away from sports and athletes athletic things in general because 115 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: the equipment isn't there that to give them the comfort 116 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: that they want when they're participating in things like that. 117 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: Oh man, I that's been the case for me. Like 118 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: I I'm pretty physically active. I don't really do it 119 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: to sort of stay fit. I do it for fun 120 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: because I enjoy it. But when I was trying to 121 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: find what would be my sport or my activity, something 122 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: that really and this sounds so silly and so high school, 123 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: I'm almost embarrassed to admit it, but so many of 124 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: the things I tried out I felt uncomfortable because I 125 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: didn't have the right the right accouterments, I guess I'll say. 126 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: I remember I tried soul cycle, and you know, a 127 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: lot of my friends do soul cycle. I'm not. I'm 128 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: not sole cycle, but so many of the people who 129 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: did it had the special shoes and the special like 130 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: very specific kinds of athletic wear, and they just had 131 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: a certain look that I, you know, did not have. 132 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: You know, I showed up in you know, raggedy shorts 133 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: and tank tap and it did make me feel uncomfortable. 134 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: And I certainly like they sell clothing there, and I 135 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: certainly couldn't have afforded, you know, the things they were hawking, 136 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: but everyone, everyone seemed to have it. And so when 137 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: I found the cycling program where everybody was wearing kind 138 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: of whatever, it was sort of come as you are. 139 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: And they did sell products, but they were cheaper and 140 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: sort of they didn't look they had start to explain, 141 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: but they didn't the things that they sold in the store. 142 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: The gear just looked more nondescript. And I felt much 143 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,679 Speaker 1: more comfortable that you know. It just seemed to signal 144 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: to me that it's okay if you don't have the 145 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: right shoes, the right this, the right brand of that, 146 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: you can still take part. And so I think that 147 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: that I'm not that you brought that up, because that's 148 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: so real that the need to buy certain things is 149 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: not inclusive for everybody because not everybody can spend forty 150 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: on a specific kind of shoe or what are you? Oh? Absolutely, um? 151 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: And I remember I was someone who like went through 152 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: puberty at eight, So there's pictures of me in school 153 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: where everyone's like really short and I'm super monstrously tall. Um. 154 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: And I just remember running in gym and I didn't 155 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: have a sports bra and being so mortified by the 156 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: whole thing. Um. So it is important. And your your 157 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: boobs can break your clavical that was a fun fact 158 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: I remember from the sports bra episode. So it's important. 159 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: And I'm glad that it's becoming it's finally being taken 160 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: seriously and becoming more accessible for people. I still have 161 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: room for improvement always, but I'm glad we're moving in 162 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: that way. Um. And there there have been kind of 163 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: two things that have happened recently that have made me 164 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: think about running. And one is that this year's Boston 165 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: Marathon was a really to one. There was a lot 166 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: of rain, high winds, it was cold. Um, But the 167 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: show must go on. The race has never been canceled 168 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: because of weather. And some people notice something interesting most years. 169 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: Women traditionally have a higher dropout rate than than men, 170 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: but this year, with this weather, men had higher dropout rates, 171 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: and the dropout rate for men was up eighty percent 172 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: from the previous year for a total of about five percent, 173 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: and for women it was up only twelve percent for 174 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: a total about three point eight um. And there are 175 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: a lot of theories for why this is. Maybe it's 176 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: that women have higher body fat so that you could 177 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: withstand colder temperatures better. However, in two thousand and twelve, 178 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: when the problem was the opposite, when the problem was 179 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: blistering heat, women also had higher rates of finishing the race. 180 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: So another theory is that has to do with psychology. 181 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: Author of the book Endure, Alex Hutchison says that while 182 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: dropping out may feel like a physical thing, like you 183 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: physically can't take it anymore, it's almost always a decision 184 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: you make, almost always, and it is. I remember when 185 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: people would tell me, oh, you can, you can run 186 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: a marathon, and in my head, I'm just like, there's 187 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: absolutely no way, um. And they'd say, if you could 188 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: run this distance, then you'll you'll be able to run 189 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: a marathon. And I have found that they were correct. 190 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: It's if you can conquer a certain amount of mileage, 191 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: then like there's not it doesn't seem as big a difference, 192 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: like twelve to fourteen to sixteen. It sounds ridiculous. I 193 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: know what sounds ridiculous, but it doesn't sound ridiculous to 194 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: me at all. Um. I've never run a marathon, and 195 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: I cannot see myself ever doing it. Um that probably 196 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: the biggest physical feat I've ever done was biking a century, 197 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: which is a hundred miles. Um. I I didn't think 198 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: I could do that, and I did it. Sort of. Uh, 199 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: I'll say I did it some some if there are 200 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: some people listening out there, they might push back on that. 201 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to say I did it. We'll just leave 202 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: it at that. We won't go we won't get into 203 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: the details. Um, but you're you. I think that you. 204 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: I think you would be surprised what you can endure 205 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: a lot of times. And I think the traditional wisdom 206 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: is that women are are frail, are weak. But I 207 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: love this other theory that you brought up that actually 208 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: one of the differences between male and female, UM, running 209 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: or big physical feats might just sort of be just 210 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: how we make decisions differently, that men are more willing 211 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: to engage in risk your behavior, so in this case, 212 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: running fast at the beginning of a race and sort 213 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: of not pacing themselves, But women might be more likely 214 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: to think, Okay, I've got this long race, let me 215 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 1: pace myself here, have a short burst here, you know, 216 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: planning out how how you're going to make this seemingly 217 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: impossible feat actually work. That that might be some of 218 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: some of the theories are that that might be part 219 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: of the difference between female and male decision making that 220 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: plays out yeah um. Studies have shown that women pace 221 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: themselves better throughout about nineteen better um and according to 222 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: a study of thousands and thousands of racers, almost one 223 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: hundred and thousand um that that they kept seeing that 224 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: play out over and over, and the researchers found this 225 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: held true in all age groups. Another study found that 226 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: women were better at adapting their pace and shifting their 227 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: goals mid race as compared to men. They kind of 228 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: they would make this riskier choice at the beginning of 229 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: a race, and then if they felt like they weren't 230 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: going to succeed in what they wanted to succeed in, 231 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: they were more likely to drop out where's women kind 232 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: of a just as they go and it's more areas 233 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: of gray. UM. So that was interesting. UM. As always 234 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: you can take that with the with grains of salt. 235 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that play. UM. I just 236 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. And another thing UM, I've been 237 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: thinking about a lot lately is is harassment because I 238 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: I remember so clearly this article I found UM and 239 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: it had ten tips for running for men on one 240 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: page and ten tips for running for women on one 241 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: page and one page. The page for men it was 242 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: like protein intake, change up your route, interval training, and 243 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: for women the tips were don't run with headphones, don't 244 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: wear a ponytail, never run alone, never run at night, 245 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: carry your license so the authorities will be able to 246 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: identify you if you're murdered. Damn, that's pretty that's a 247 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: pretty stark difference. It really is. It really is, UM 248 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: And it is something that like every time I feel 249 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: a lot of us who do run, we take that 250 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: into account, like what route am I going to take? 251 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: Should I tell someone where I'm going? I know that 252 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: for me personally, three different people have gifted me pepper 253 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: spray running pepper spray. UM just because they know I 254 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: run and they worry about it. UM survey survey of 255 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: four thousand six and seventy runners, about two thousand, five 256 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: hundred of which were female, conducted by run World, found 257 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: that over of all runners and almost six of the 258 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: respondents thirty or younger had experienced harassment while on a run, 259 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: and of those harassers were men. Some reported being followed, intimidated, propositioned, 260 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: and they a lot changed their route out of fear 261 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: of assault. Sixty of women said that these fears kept 262 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: them from running at night. Run with pepper spray switched 263 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: to treadmills, but that they said that the harassment still 264 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: continued indoors. A lot of women reported wearing clothes that 265 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: were less comfortable to try to cut back on harassment. Well, 266 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: of course it continues indoors because you have situations where 267 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: creepy dudes will you know, record your butt on a 268 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: treadmill without about your consent or knowledge, like yeah, it's 269 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: it's so. It pains me so much that even if 270 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: you switch switch up your behavior to keep yourself safe, 271 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't matter what you do. Will find 272 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: a way s find away, Crue've signed away. I'm pretty sure. 273 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Goldbloom said that yeah, Um, and some of the 274 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: things that these women in the survey reported were like 275 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: very scary when men following them in cars, masturbating alongside them, 276 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: calling out the window that they need to stop, stop 277 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: running and to have sex with them. Um. The survey 278 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: itself was in response to I believe it was three 279 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: high profile murders of women while running, and um, they 280 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: were separate instances, but they happened in close successions, so 281 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: it kind of started this whole how safe is it 282 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: for for women to run? And it is a self 283 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: selecting study, and the chance of getting murdered while running 284 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: is very small. You're likelier to get hit by a car, 285 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: which has happened to me multiple times. Annie. I have 286 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: to be honest, I do worry about you with running 287 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: because I know that you're I hope that you don't 288 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: find me saying this a touch accident prone. So I 289 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: would be much more likely to givet you like a 290 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: helmet than pepper spray. That would be a far wiser 291 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: an appropriate gift. I have to say, my doctor has 292 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: recommended that I wear a helmet at all times. It's 293 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: just not useful practical in everyday life. Christmas is coming up, 294 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: so I don't so keep that in mind. Um. Yeah, 295 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: this is part of a larger societal problem, right, but 296 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: it's something when I saw that article with the tips 297 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: from men and women and I was just like, this 298 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: is ridiculous. It's so backwards, like your tips for a 299 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: run or to survive the run, like it's nothing about 300 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: improving your performance or anything. And of course that is 301 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: a stressor on on people who decide to to run. Um, 302 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: but it is. It is a hobby that I, um 303 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: really love and I'm excited about running the race. Uh 304 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: uh nervous that excited? You gotta do you gotta do 305 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: a report back to tell us how you did as 306 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: comparatively to your ex boyfriend. Also, if he's listening, I 307 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: want to get in his head. You're gonna choke out 308 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: there and he's gonna and he's gonna wipe the floor 309 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: with you. Dude, you are the best. I feel like 310 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: you're like my hype person. Yes if I if I could, 311 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: I would run alongside him, you know, distracting him and 312 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: like screaming things just so you would win. I would 313 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: I would bring the race in your favorite that I 314 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much I appreciate that. UM, 315 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: So we hope you enjoy this this update on running. Um, 316 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: this episode that Kristen Caroline did. It's more of kind 317 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: of the history of women running marathons. So yeah, please enjoy. 318 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff mom never told you. From House to 319 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm 320 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline. And before we go any further, 321 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: this episode on women and marathons is owed to a listener, 322 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: Scott Perry in Calgary. This one's for you. Scott Perry 323 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: sent us an email saying, Hey, gals, guess what The 324 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: Boston Marathon is rolling around April sixteen and it marks 325 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: the fort anniversary of women being officially allowed to run 326 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: in it. And so I forwarded the email to Caroline 327 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: and said, Hey, Caroline, you know it's awesome. We have 328 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: a fantastic listener named Scott who has fantastic idea about running. 329 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: And then we talked about Scott for a while and 330 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: how smart he was. Yeah, we were actually we were 331 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: going to do the podcast originally on Scott, just about Scott, 332 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: but we thought that could get creepy. Yes, Facebook profile 333 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: was private, so we decided to go with Boston Marathon's 334 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: a broader topic UM, and I'll kick things off with 335 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: a little marathon anecdote. While I do jog um a 336 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: couple of times a week, if I'm being good, I 337 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: try to do it at least a couple of times 338 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: a week. I'm not really a long distance runner. The 339 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: only long distance marathon I have ever participated in was 340 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: the Peachtree road Race, which is one of the largest 341 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: ten caves in the world. There's something like fifty five 342 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: thousand participants who run right past our building in fact 343 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, Georgia. And a few years ago, my 344 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: then boyfriend and I decided that we wanted to run 345 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: the road race. It was the fourth of July. It 346 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: would be something kind of fun to do together. They're 347 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: all these people. I was a recent um transplant to Atlanta, 348 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: so we didn't really think about the fact that, hey, 349 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: this spur of the moment idea means that we didn't 350 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: have a number, and we didn't realize that. We we thought, 351 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, you could just you could just sort of 352 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: jump on the course, you could just run it. Uh, 353 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: there were so many other people who did have numbers. 354 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: Would two people without a number really make a difference. 355 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: So we took Martha the public transit down to the 356 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: star of the race. The swarms of people. It was 357 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: at the break of dawn. It was very eerie. It 358 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: was actually kind of like zombie land out here because 359 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: there were just people walking around and sort of next 360 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: to nothing and running gear while the sun was rising. 361 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: And ran into Sarah from stuff he missed in history class, 362 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: who of course had a number like a proper a 363 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: proper participant, and she immediately and gently informed us that 364 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: we might want to watch our bags and keep a 365 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: little profile because we really should not be on the 366 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: course without numbers. Will you get thrown off? Yeah, there 367 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: are people on their watching to see um few have 368 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: a number or not. Well, is it is it to 369 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: protect against like crazy people doing crazy stunts or is 370 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: it just like there's already so many people there. We 371 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: don't want unregistered runners. There were already so many people there, 372 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: and especially for the really serious runners to go first 373 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: or those time trials that they have to compete in 374 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: other marathons, So you don't want random folks just mucking 375 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: up the race course. But the good news is good 376 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: news for me anyway, is that my boyfriend and I 377 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 1: were able to run it anyway. And my favorite part 378 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: was passing by a Catholic church where priests was throwing 379 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: out holy water on the runners, so I like dodged 380 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: over and I got sprinkled, and I really think that 381 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: it helped me cross the finish line good. And you 382 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: didn't melt or anything. I did not melt, even though 383 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm not Catholic, so hey, anything helps when you're running 384 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: that long. I I I am a very loose jogger. 385 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: I jogged sometimes when I feel like it, I get 386 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: into periods of jogging. That's about it. I'm imagining you 387 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: like running without using your arms for some reason, that's 388 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: my my image of loose Johnny, just flailing your shoulders. Well, 389 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, I thought it was funny that you mentioned 390 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: that you and your boyfriend just like jumped in, because well, 391 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: it's not funny because that's how women had to run 392 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: marathons at first, because they just they weren't allowed, like 393 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: flat out women were not allowed to register for marathons. 394 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: I mean they could run, they could do what you 395 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: guys did, and you know, be unofficial participants and not 396 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: have their time count or anything. But they were not welcome. Yeah, 397 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: the thing is I was merely following in the footsteps 398 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: of women like Roberta Gibb and Katherine Switzer in the 399 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: Boston Marathon. Um, and since we kicked things off talking 400 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: about the Boston Marathon, we should go ahead and mentioned 401 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: that this race has been going on since eighteen nine 402 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: seven and two thousand twelve were only at the anniversary 403 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: of women being officially allowed to run. And like you 404 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: hinted at earlier, Caroline, there were women who jumped into 405 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: the phrase secretly in the Boston Marathon in nineteen sixty six. 406 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: The first known woman to do this was Roberta Gibb, 407 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: who had applied to running the Boston Marathon, but her 408 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: application was rejected because women were not According to the 409 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: official rules of amateur running at the time, women were 410 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: not allowed to run that far, which is a marathon. 411 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: We should go ahead and say is twenty six point 412 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: two miles, which makes me tired to think about it. Yeah, 413 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: I have no design. I see people running. I know 414 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: I have friends who just ran a half marathon. My 415 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: roommate was part of that. He came home and I 416 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: don't think he moved. I think you're flailing arms and 417 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: the shoulders would be very tired by the end of that. Sure, 418 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: probably throw something out of his socket, would um. But 419 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: GiB wasn't trying to make a statement. She wasn't trying 420 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: to break down barriers. She just wanted to run. She 421 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: was a twenty three year old young Navy wife and um. 422 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: She had watched the race in nineteen sixty four and 423 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: pointed out that all she saw was people. She didn't 424 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 1: take note of the fact that there were no women running. 425 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: She just thought it was neat. She liked the type 426 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: of people who participated, and so she wanted to get 427 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: involved also, so in nineteen sixty six she she she 428 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: goes to Boston and kind of hangs out on the 429 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: sidelines like, oh, no, I'm just me. No, I'm just 430 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: wearing shorts because it's March or April in Boston, you know, no, 431 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: no problem, And she ended up jumping in as the 432 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: runners came by. Yeah, there's a little bit of controversy 433 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: about where she actually jumped in, whether or not she 434 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: ran the entire course, or if she jumped in a 435 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: little less conspicuous spot more than the in the middle 436 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: of the marathon. But nevertheless, she crossed the finish line, 437 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: ended up getting a time of three hours twenty one 438 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: minutes forty seconds and finished not too bad, are out 439 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: of five hundred. The next year, Katherine Switzer enters the race, 440 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: and this is the story that has been circulating around 441 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: blogs as this year as the Boston Marathon approaches, because 442 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: there is photographic evidence of the race organizer, one of 443 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: the organizers, Jocks Simple, trying to push Switzer off the 444 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: race course, like literally literally off there, pushing her off physically. Um. 445 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: She ended up getting into the race officially by applying 446 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: as k V. Switzer, but she claims she's a little 447 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: sneaky about this. She claims that, oh, well, you know, 448 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: I was just I was using my initials just in 449 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: day to day business. But she also knew that if 450 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: she registered as Catherine she would not be allowed to run, right, 451 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: And she managed to avoid the pre race physical too 452 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: by saying that she'd been cleared earlier, so she had 453 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: a plan. She knew it was, she knew what was 454 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: going on. And if you've seen pictures at all, if 455 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: you follow any news about the race or know anything 456 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: about running history, they're a lot of pictures circulating now too, 457 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: of that of that period where this Jock Simple guy, 458 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: this crotchety old Scottish man, tried to push her out 459 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: of the race. And you can see where Tom Miller, 460 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: Switzer's boyfriend at the time, who was a football player 461 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: and a big dude, just like totally body checked him 462 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: and pushed him off the off of his girlfriend. Well, 463 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: the photos are somewhat disturbing because what had happened was 464 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: that as she was running the race, the the media 465 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: that was they had media trucks that were tracking the 466 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: people running, and there was word that spread that there 467 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: was a woman running. She's running along in this with 468 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: the number the number important, with a kind of a 469 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: floppy sweatsuit on, and so they start taking pictures of her, 470 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: and this catches Jock simples attention and some of the 471 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: media people start heckling Jock Simple, saying, hey, look, there's 472 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: a there's a woman running in your race. And he 473 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: was just incensed, specifically the fact that she had a number, 474 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: and according to Switzer, he grabbed her and said, get 475 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: the hell out of my race and give me those numbers. 476 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: But like you said, her football boyfriend basically just tackled him, 477 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: got him out of the way, and she kept running 478 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: across the finish line with the time of four twenty yeah, 479 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: which she admits is not the best time, but she 480 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: said that she was determined to finish the race on 481 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: her hands and knees if she had to just approve 482 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: that a woman could, because she realized at that time 483 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: how important this whole thing was. If she was like 484 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: being physically pushed out of the race by one of 485 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: its organizers, she just realized how important it was that 486 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: her particip the patient be visible. Yeah. Sports Illustrated interviewed 487 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: Jock Simple a couple of years after this incident, and 488 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: he was completely unapologetic. He claimed that, you know, he 489 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: was not motivated so much by getting a woman off 490 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: the track, but as an unauthorized number holder to make 491 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: up a phrase. Well, Switzer actually endured a lot of 492 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: criticism for her hobby, which is running um back in 493 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, the year before the marathon, when she 494 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: was training at Lynchburg College in Virginia, that you know, 495 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: after the whole roberta GiB thing that had attracted the 496 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: attention of the Associated Press who ran an article, and 497 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: after the article ran, Switzer got a letter saying that 498 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: God will strike you dead if she tried to run. Yeah, well, 499 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: being a runner training because she was training with the 500 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: men's team, and so this attracted all sorts of negative attention. 501 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: And I just can't I just can't imagine thinking that 502 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: running with men as a woman is enough to get 503 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: me struck down, smited, smoked, might be smoked, struck by lightning. 504 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: I do think we should clarify that that. Switzer said 505 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: that the negative attention at the time was not coming 506 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: from the other male runners. The guys were fine with 507 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: her running alongside them and probably thought it was cool. 508 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: But she said that the real negativity came from race 509 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: organizers and the media and athletic associations that were clinging 510 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: to this notion that running long distances was bad for women. 511 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: Bad And when I say bad, I mean physically bad. Um. 512 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: And we should talk about a little bit earlier in 513 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: the history of running, and especially in the Olympics, that, 514 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: because of poor coaching styles, when women would run longer races, 515 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: like there was a half mile in the Olympics and 516 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: a number of women who competed in it actually collapsed 517 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: before they crossed the finish line, be because they were 518 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: exerting so much energy at the outset. They were completely 519 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: exhausted by the end. Yeah, And there was just this 520 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: general belief that any long distance running put too much 521 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: of a strain on women. It interfered with their ability 522 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: to get pregnant and have children, so that it would 523 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: it would hurt your uterus to run well. And that 524 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: was also connected with, um, some female runners complaining of 525 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: irregular periods, so doctors assumed that by extension, if you're 526 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: running a lot your periods are irregular, you must be 527 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: damaging your uterus, and by God, you won't be able 528 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: to have children. Right um. The website Run like a 529 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: Girl film dot com. It's a it's it's based on 530 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: the film Run Like a Girl. That's a pretty self 531 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: explanatory right um. And they have a lot of running 532 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: history on their website and uh. In women were allowed 533 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: to compete in the Olympic track and field events, but 534 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: because of their exhausted condition at the end of the 535 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: eight final, the event was dropped until nineteen sixty. So 536 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: apparently they looked so shabby at the end that people 537 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: were like, whoa, whoa, how is your uterus? Do you 538 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: need to sit down? Maybe we shouldn't do this don't 539 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: run so far. And because of that, women were certainly 540 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 1: barred from running twenty six point two miles, which is 541 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: the official length of a marathon. But once Switzer competed 542 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: um then in nineteen sixty nine, and a lot of 543 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: this does happen. These barriers are being broken. At the 544 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: Boston Marathon. We have Cambridge native Seremi Burman who won 545 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: in the women's division. But if this was unofficial because 546 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: women had not yet been invited, Yeah, In nineteen seventy, 547 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: Berman finished with a strong time of three hours, five 548 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: minutes and seven seconds, at which point a reporter asked, 549 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: why did you do it? And at the time she 550 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: was steaming, like, are you kidding me? I just got 551 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: this incredible time, and I ran and I did great, 552 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: and your your question for me is why did I 553 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: do it? And she just said that they were just 554 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: so paid tronizing the reporters, the observers of the race. 555 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: But now her attitude has changed a little bit about 556 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: why they asked that question. Yeah. She talks a lot 557 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 1: about how the headlines of the time would be like 558 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: housewife running. There was always this had to be this 559 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: juxtaposition of some kind of stereotypically, you know, feminine occupation 560 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: with what at the time was a masculine pursuit of running, 561 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: even though today women comprise I think it's fifty cent 562 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: of competitors in road races UM. And then in nineteen 563 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: seventy two, the Boston Marathon finally UM officially invites women 564 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: to enter, and Nina Kusick wins for the women. And 565 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: this is a funny little tidbit. Katherine Switzer ends up 566 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: getting third in the women's but her trophy was broken. 567 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: And when Jack Simple, the curmudgeon ly scott It, presents 568 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: her with this broken trophy, he said that she deserved 569 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: it broken. Yep. He said that he'd been mad at 570 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: her for years, five years, that Jack Simple holds a grudge. 571 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: He does, and he I there was an article that 572 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: basically our interview with him a couple of years later 573 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: where he basically was like, yeah, I'm mad about it. 574 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: Still he wasn't he wasn't gonna let it go. Well, 575 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: if you look at the photos of him when he's 576 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: trying to push her off the track, there he has 577 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: a crazed look in his eye, and when he's talking 578 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: about that, it seems like because of that photographic evidence. 579 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: Perhaps the sting was a little bit sharper. Yeah. Katherine 580 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: Switzer in one interview did talk about how you could 581 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: when her boyfriend hit him, you could you could hear 582 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: like his body being shoved aside, like the hit was 583 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: so hard. So maybe his maybe his pride was hurt 584 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: in addition to his body when that happened. So in 585 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: the buss SA marathon opens up to women, but the 586 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: Olympics did not open up a women's marathon until the 587 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: l A Games in nineteen eighty four, and they were 588 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: still hung up. The i o C, the International Olympic Committee, 589 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: was still hung up on that idea that running a 590 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: long distance would injure women and especially their ability to 591 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 1: have children. UM. But several studies would emerge, especially from 592 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: an Atlanta physiologist, David Martin at Georgia State University, who 593 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: found that UM, women's long distance running was just fine 594 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: for them, and because of the way the female body 595 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: stores fat, there was this notion that we might actually 596 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: be better equipped for long distance running compared to men. 597 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: And research like that was really crucial and convincing the 598 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: i o C to allow women to run. I mean 599 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: it's I think it's interesting that this body, this governing organization, 600 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: had to be really convinced that women could participate. Well, 601 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: I mean we could we could spin it at a 602 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 1: positive light and say, well, that's good that they were 603 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: looking out for what at the time was maybe the 604 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: best for women. If there was if if medical knowledge 605 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: had not figured out what was going on inside of 606 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: women's bodies, and maybe they just thought women really weren't 607 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: capable of it. Yeah, but I mean as training, as 608 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: training has improved, women have obviously shown that they're capable 609 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: of achieving good times and marathons and not passing out. 610 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: But here is the question. When it comes to men 611 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 1: running women running, will we ever catch up to the guys? 612 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: Not exactly. There's a Time magazine article from two thousand 613 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: eight where Tim Noaks, a professor of exercise and sports 614 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: science at the University of Cape Town, not that whole 615 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: fat store theory. You know that women have more fuel 616 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 1: to propel them in a in a long long distance race. Um. 617 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: He says that there is a lot to do with 618 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: weight when comparing men and women and testosterone and muscle. Yes, 619 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: if you, um, if you compare male and female just 620 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: recreational runners, not people who would be competing in the Olympics. 621 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: The guys are about twenty two pounds heavier than the women. 622 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: So if you look at wreck runners, that fat store 623 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: idea might hold some more sway because women are lighter 624 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: and they have these a longer term energy stores, whereas 625 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: men with higher muscle mass can burn calories quicker. But 626 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: it's for those those short, shorter bursts of energy. But 627 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: Noakes says that the world record marathon runners of each 628 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: gender are very close and weight. I mean, if you 629 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,479 Speaker 1: look at those runners, they are paired down to there's 630 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: not these single ounce of body fat on them. And 631 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: he says, um that if you don't match for weight, 632 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: then yeah, women get the advantage. But once you match 633 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: for weight, men still run about ten percent faster and 634 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: it has to do with higher levels of testosterone that 635 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: builds up the muscle that gets your foot off the 636 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: ground as quickly as possible. Right, So he's basically saying, 637 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: you know, when you look at just a general group 638 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: of runners, whether it's in a marathon or a five 639 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: k or whatever, um, a woman running next to a 640 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: bigger man is going to be able to move that 641 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: mass around faster because she's lighter. So she might get 642 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: a better time. But when you when you have runners 643 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: of about the same weight a man and a woman, 644 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: the man will propel himself faster. Yeah, from any distance 645 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: between a hundred meters and a thousand kilometers, women are 646 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: consistently nine to eleven percent slower than men, So chances 647 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: are women are not going to catch up to men 648 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: on the race. But that does not mean that women 649 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: have not been getting faster times right. A two thousand 650 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: Duke study looked at women's increasing participation and their increasing speed, 651 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: both in running and in swimming, and they point out 652 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: that before the seventies, few women ran for recreation, and 653 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: amateur regulations on competitive racing barred them from distances longer 654 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: than four kilometers, which we've touched on, and they have 655 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: found that as women's participation in sports, not just running, 656 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: has dramatically increased over the past century, the disparities and 657 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: performance have decreased because women are being trained better than 658 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: they were in the past, but nevertheless you still see 659 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: a pretty big gender gap. They point out that the 660 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: women's hundred meter world records set um and this was 661 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: back in the year two thousands, so that might have 662 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: been broken since then. But they say that it's about 663 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: the same as a men's record for a hundred meters 664 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: at seventy five years earlier. But I mean, nevertheless, if 665 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: you chart the UM world records of men's running versus 666 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: women's running, women's times have decreased at a faster rate 667 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: in the past forty years, and men's just because our 668 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 1: participation has increased exponentially compared to them, because we were 669 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: not previously allowed to run very far. Yeah, and talking 670 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: about participation, we should probably look at why people are participating, uh, 671 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: and competing in these in these crazy races that I 672 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: won't even watch because they exhaust me. Why would you 673 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: want to run twenty six miles. It's like that Brian 674 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: Reagan bit where he's talking about like all those iron 675 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: Man type competitions and he's like, I'm sure you don't 676 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: have to do this. I always want to say that 677 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: to runners, like you don't. You can come inside and 678 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,959 Speaker 1: have a sandwich. I can just drive you. Uh, it's 679 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: on my way. Yeah, that's gonna be a short drive, 680 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. UM study looked at people's motivations for 681 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: running their first marathons and found that there are some 682 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: common reasons for men and women, and those are to 683 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: finish the race in a certain time, to feel proud 684 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: of myself, and to improve my health. They found that 685 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: men were more likely to provide reasons to do with 686 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: achievement and competition, whereas women were more likely motivated by 687 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: psychological reasons such as to improve mood. But we should 688 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: also point out that the study author did not think 689 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 1: that you could extrapolate that data to say that men 690 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: are inherently more competitive than women, but that maybe this 691 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: is an opportunity for all of us to expand our 692 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: goals for running, whether it be to just cross the 693 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: finish line and feel great about doing it, or cross 694 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: the finish line in a certain amount of time, or 695 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: for me sneak onto a course and cross the finish 696 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: line without getting caught. Right, and they do saide an 697 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: author um in this article that talks about the study. 698 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 1: They said an author who says that it doesn't really 699 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: matter what your motivation is, whether it's I'm going to 700 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: beat everyone and get the best time in the world, 701 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: or I want to slim down and get healthy. You 702 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: should just have a reason that works for you. Like 703 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: my friend Nolan tells me this all the time, Like 704 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: when I'm complaining about how I don't run, and he's like, well, 705 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: you should run and get in shape and stuff, and 706 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, but I don't even I just go 707 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: home and get my pajamas. And he just says that 708 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: it's important just to have a reason to run, whether 709 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: it's I want to run so that I can get 710 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: good enough to be in a marathon, or I want 711 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: to run to get healthy and feel better about myself. Well, 712 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: I will tell you this if you would like a 713 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: pajama related excuse to run. Anytime I run, I sleep 714 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: so much better that night. Yeah, it's true. So it 715 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,040 Speaker 1: will make your pajama ton more enjoyable, more enjoyable, and 716 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: more worthwhile, so that I would encourage you to run 717 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: for the sake of your of your pajamas UM and 718 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: also joined the legions of women who are running like 719 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier. Is this coming from Running USA dot org. 720 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: More women compete in road races than men do now UM. 721 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 1: According to their two thousand eleven data, in five ks, 722 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: ten ks, and half marathons, women made up a majority 723 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: of the competitors, but still more men do run the 724 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: full marathon than women. Fifty nine percent of men versus women, 725 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: And I thought it was interesting they break down the 726 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: demographics of these runners, these long distance runners. Who are 727 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: these people? And they looked at the women who participate, 728 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: and by a long shot, the women. These women runners 729 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: are college educated, have earned a college diploma. As a 730 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: pest to the general population, which is something like a 731 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,919 Speaker 1: quarter like um, they tend to be affluent, and their 732 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: active participants who train year round and on average, bought 733 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: three point two pairs of running shoes in the past year. 734 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 1: And I think I've had my running shoes for about 735 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: four years. I'm not one of these people. But you 736 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 1: can be, Caroline, you can be Yeah. I guess I've 737 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: just been busy. I don't have time to be running 738 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: for four hours. Well, hey, why don't we? Why don't we? 739 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: In this podcast? With one final fun fact as to 740 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: why why do we call it a marathon in the 741 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: first place. This was one thing that popped up in 742 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: my head as we were researching this. I just to 743 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: know where this whole marathon and why is it twenty 744 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 1: six miles? Uh? For you fact nerds out there like me, 745 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: this is coming from Live Science Marathon. The word marathon 746 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: comes from a place called Marathon in Greece. It's a station. 747 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,480 Speaker 1: It is not the gas station Marathon. It is a 748 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: city in Greece. And the origin of the marathon relates 749 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: back to the founder of the International Olympic Committee. While 750 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: he was planning for the first Olympics, he came up 751 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: with this twenty It was about twenty five miles at 752 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: the time, twenty five mile run. Um in relation to 753 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: this chapter from Greek history with the run of a 754 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: soldier from a battlefield near the town of Marathon, Greece 755 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: to Athens in four ninety BC in order to announce 756 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: to the Athenians that they the Greeks, had defeated the Persians. 757 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: And apparently though the soldier delivered the message of victory 758 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: and then he died. Well, good for him, I mean, 759 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: at least he made it. I would have dropped dead 760 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,000 Speaker 1: way before that. He was clearly running very fast. Yeah, 761 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: a lot of the twenty five entrance in that very 762 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 1: first marathon in the very first Olympics, in only nine 763 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: runners hit the finish line. And then you have the 764 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: Boston Marathon that was started soon thereafter, I believe in 765 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: the following year. Actually, um as a directly related to 766 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: the Olympics. So there's your marathon knowledge. Now. I know 767 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: that we have only focused on marathon running. There's a 768 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: lot more running topics that we could cover, but we 769 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: figured that that would be biting off more than we 770 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: could chew in one podcast. So for now, let us 771 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: know your thoughts on women and marathons. Oh and by 772 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 1: the way, I have never snuck into another race. If 773 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,479 Speaker 1: I and if I run the Peach Tree this year, 774 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 1: I will do it with a number, so you know 775 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,279 Speaker 1: I there we go. It was. It was ignorance on 776 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,919 Speaker 1: my part. Race organizers of the world can rest easy. Yeah, 777 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want some racing police at 778 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: my door after this podcast because exist yes in my mind. Well, 779 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: let us know your stories about running mom stuff at 780 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: Discovery dot Com is email address you can send it to. 781 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, we've got a couple emails here 782 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: to share. This first one is from Chelsea in relation 783 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: to our Richest Women in the World podcast and uh, 784 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: at one point we made what she called a snarky 785 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: little quip about John Walton's kit built plane crash. She writes, 786 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: I understand the confusion, but I wanted to clear up 787 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: about kitplane and experimental aircraft. Experimental aircraft is a name 788 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: that is attached to any plane that is not built 789 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,760 Speaker 1: in a factory. My dad has been working on a 790 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: kit plane for more than half my life. The point 791 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: of building a plane yourself is not to save money 792 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: and cut corners, thereby producing a slip shot or subpar product. 793 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: These planes are a labor of love. Some planes maybe 794 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: low quality, but one should not assume that all such 795 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 1: planes are unsafe, are less airworthy. I've had to explain 796 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: to so many people that yes, he's building a plane, no, 797 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: not a model, and yes the kind of people actually writed. 798 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: He has put an intense amount of love, craftsmanship's stubbornness, 799 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: and plane an whole retention into his plane. I'm crazy 800 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: proud of him and want others to know that a 801 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 1: home built plane is nothing to fear, especially if you 802 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: know that it was made by a true engineer. That's great. Yeah, 803 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad she informed us of that, because I, like 804 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: probably many people, had this idea of a kit that 805 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: was not as safe. I was imagining just like a 806 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: like an inflatable plane. Yeah, well that would be dangerous 807 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: for sure. Okay. This email is from Anson who is 808 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,759 Speaker 1: writing about our women pilot episode. I am writing from 809 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: yellow Knife, Northwest Territories, which was recently voted as the 810 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: most female friendly airport in the world. This is a 811 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: result of an initiative called Girls Fly Too, started by 812 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: a helicopter pilot at Trinity Helicopters here in yellow Knife. 813 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: She wanted to fly five hundred young women and girls 814 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: in one day three weeks ago. The event took place 815 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: under sunny skies and over four girls between ages seven 816 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: and twenty two were flown. A friend who took her 817 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: thirteen year old daughter reports that her daughter was thrilled 818 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: and now talks of nothing else than becoming a helicopter pilot. 819 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: I grew up around aviation and am now involved in 820 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: air traffic survey that services with nav Canada, Canada's provider 821 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: of a T C and a T S. I talked 822 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: to many many female pilots on the radio. Maybe about 823 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,680 Speaker 1: a third of all my contacts are female and increase 824 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,640 Speaker 1: since I started in this business ten years ago. The 825 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 1: future is very bright for women who want to become 826 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: pilots and organizations like the Royal Canadian Air Cadets, the 827 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,239 Speaker 1: ninety nine, the Canadian Owners and Pilots Association and the 828 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: Experimental Aircraft Association are working hard at getting out the 829 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: message that girls can fly too. Excellent, so thanks to 830 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,879 Speaker 1: everyone who's written in mom Stuff at discovery dot com, 831 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: where you can send your letters. 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