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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with

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Speaker 2: you along with Whitley Struber. We'll take calls with Whitley

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Speaker 2: next hour. Whitley, is it safe to assume that these entities,

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Speaker 2: these creatures may be coming from the Middle Earth?

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Speaker 3: Well, they mostly live as far as I can see,

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Speaker 3: underground and under the ocean. There's so many UFOs. It's

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Speaker 3: quite easy these days to see a UFO, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you can distinguish them from satellites, which is when

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Speaker 3: you are actually seeing when it's quite obvious. But so

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Speaker 3: they're you know, they're I think they're ubiquitous. I think

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Speaker 3: you find them in all sorts of places, and as

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Speaker 3: far as a point of origin is concerned, I don't

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Speaker 3: think they're going to tell us that anytime soon, because

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Speaker 3: that would give us a of some idea, of more

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Speaker 3: of an idea of about them than maybe they won.

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Speaker 3: They're very secretive, and I don't think that they are.

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Speaker 3: I don't think our our military has been particularly comfortable

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Speaker 3: with them. Interesting, and I think that there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of hostility.

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Speaker 2: The fact that you interact with them. Are you doing

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Speaker 2: it willingly or you are?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's been you know, I've been I've had

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Speaker 3: them in my life, probably most of my life and

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Speaker 3: certainly for the past thirty five years. You know, you

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Speaker 3: don't get you get used to someone over that period of.

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Speaker 2: Time, and but they roughed you up.

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Speaker 3: Well, so what I mean, Yeah, they roughed me up.

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Speaker 3: My dad roughed me up too from time to time,

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Speaker 3: a lot of you know, I'm I'm yeah, and it

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Speaker 3: would have been less uh, it would have been less

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Speaker 3: violent if I had not panicked. So I was part

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Speaker 3: of it too, But I'm past that. I'm not interested

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Speaker 3: in sitting on my duff and saying they roughed me

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Speaker 3: up and I'm going to sit here and not do

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Speaker 3: a thing about it. After it happened, and it took

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Speaker 3: about it was March, I think before we realized fully

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Speaker 3: realized that they were real and that you know, they

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Speaker 3: had that this had actually physically happened. And I said

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Speaker 3: to my wife Ann, I said, you know, let's go

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Speaker 3: out in the woods at night. Let's see if we

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Speaker 3: can get into contact with them again, because my god,

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Speaker 3: I mean, these are I'm intelligent beings and they're not

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Speaker 3: human and they're here. And she said, well, that's a

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Speaker 3: great idea. You go out in the woods because you're

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Speaker 3: the one who saw so I did. And you know,

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Speaker 3: that was the beginning of what has become a relationship.

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Speaker 3: And you know, people are very they're very u rigid.

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Speaker 3: They think if someone comes on to you hard, you

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Speaker 3: should hate them forever. I'm just not that way. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to always try to find another way in with

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Speaker 3: anyone I have a difficult relationship with. I keep at it.

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Speaker 3: I don't quit.

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Speaker 2: Well. I've always found you to be very forgiving an opening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm an affable guy. I like people, and it

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Speaker 3: turns out I can perfectly capable of I wouldn't say

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Speaker 3: I like the great Is because they're testy as hell, frankly,

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Speaker 3: but I can get along with them. And they're very

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Speaker 3: interesting and they're very wise. And you know, they've worked

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Speaker 3: with me on my books. They've worked with me on

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Speaker 3: A New World on Them and now on this book.

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Speaker 3: Although less interested in this book. They have attentions. They

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Speaker 3: have a limited attention span, like anybody, you know. They're

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Speaker 3: really enthusiastic at first, but after a while they get

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Speaker 3: tired of it. But and you know, you don't get

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Speaker 3: as much attention. But I'm not like that. I keep on,

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Speaker 3: don't I don't get tired of things.

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Speaker 2: Are they biological or are they more robotic?

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Speaker 3: No, it's a mix. It depends on what level you're

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Speaker 3: dealing with. There are, interestingly enough, there are bio robotic

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Speaker 3: ones in the sense that they have they have elements

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Speaker 3: of their bodies that are clearly robotic, and I would

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Speaker 3: assume that they are designed beings. But they have marvelous brains.

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Speaker 3: And you think to yourself, who would build a robot

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Speaker 3: think to myself, we're going to be building robots that

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Speaker 3: want our robots to be really smart. So you know,

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Speaker 3: we're going kind of going down the same path that

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Speaker 3: they went down. And I think fairly recently. I don't

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Speaker 3: think that they're an ancient all wise. All I mean,

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Speaker 3: they've made plenty of mistakes here, and I think they're

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Speaker 3: was quite a while before they realized that, you know,

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Speaker 3: we had a level of self consciousness, and we were

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Speaker 3: not amused by being abducted. And you know, we weren't

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Speaker 3: like animals where we would forget it in a few

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Speaker 3: our lives. That we were being affected by it, and

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Speaker 3: it was affecting any relationship they may have with us.

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Speaker 3: And the abductions are not common now at all. They

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Speaker 3: don't happen much, and either they changed their approach because

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Speaker 3: were doing.

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Speaker 2: Surely remarkable assuming they're coming from another planetary system, even

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Speaker 2: though they may be staying in the underground. Where might

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Speaker 3: You know, No, I don't know. I do know some

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Speaker 3: things about them. They breathe oxygen. They can breathe and

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Speaker 3: function in our atmosphere without a mask. I've seen them

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Speaker 3: in that many times like that. So therefore, wherever they

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Speaker 3: come from, it has an atmosphere similar to this one,

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Speaker 3: and they are adapted to using oxygen the same way

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Speaker 3: we are. They can't talk, They can only make noises,

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Speaker 3: and they I would assume that their vcal system is

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Speaker 3: something like that of a bird because of the way

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Speaker 3: they make sounds. The sounds they make are but they

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Speaker 3: are telepathic and fluently telepathic. When you're with them, telepathy

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Speaker 3: seems like the most normal thing in the world, and

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Speaker 3: then when you're apart from them, you can't do it

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Speaker 3: at all. It's really remarkable.

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Speaker 2: The last time we go ahead.

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Speaker 3: With we have this, this part of ourselves, it's a sleep.

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Speaker 3: That's what the fourth mind is about it. And that

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Speaker 3: part of ourselves is when you're and you read in

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Speaker 3: the abduction literature, person after person will say when they

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Speaker 3: were I was telepathic when I was with them, and

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Speaker 3: it was easy, and that's exactly correct. But not when

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Speaker 3: you're not with them, and that's because that part of

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Speaker 3: us is a sleep. Normally, I would like to wake

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Speaker 3: it up. I would like us to have a telepathic community,

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Speaker 3: human community, although it might be rather awkward for the politicians,

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Speaker 3: but you know, we'll just have to suck it up.

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Speaker 2: Have you given up up on trying to get that

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I used that implant in my work. I

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Speaker 3: would never get it out of my ear. You would

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Speaker 2: You want it. You weren't sure years ago, but.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I was nuts about it kidding. I realized

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Speaker 3: it was there. And for those of you who don't know,

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Speaker 3: this thing was put in my ear by two people

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Speaker 3: in May of nineteen eighty nine. I was wide awake

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Speaker 3: I mean I felt invaded. I felt it was horrible.

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Speaker 3: You know, I almost I thought about cutting my ear off.

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Speaker 2: Actually, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean because and then my wife was

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Speaker 2: As they came.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah you remember, Anne, Yeah, because they're sharpie, and

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Speaker 3: struck me crazy. I can't stand it. I've got to

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Speaker 3: I can't. I don't want somebody to be tracking me

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Speaker 3: I don't want that. She said, nobody cares whether or

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Speaker 3: a paper. Nobody cares about what you do. You don't

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Speaker 3: do anything interesting with ley. Let's face it, going to

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Speaker 3: have going on a vacation to Texas to see your family,

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Speaker 3: Aliens are not going to be interested in that. That's

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Speaker 3: about the biggest thing you ever do. So and I realized,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is, it can't be a tracking device. Are

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Speaker 3: they chose the wrong guy? Because it's true, I mean,

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Speaker 3: don't I don't do anything worth tracking. I live a

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Speaker 3: very I'm a very sedate person. I live a very

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Speaker 3: sedate life. But it turned out that for years it

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Speaker 3: it's just a wonderful tool.

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Speaker 2: I use it all the time to a dependent on it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe in some respects yes, I may be dependent on

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Speaker 3: it as a research tool, but it's better than AI

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Speaker 3: because it is very intuitive. And uh, you know, if

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Speaker 3: out how to ask for, it will come into your

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Speaker 3: life using this thing. That's the most amazing. You'll turn

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Speaker 3: it's it comes on to something that's exactly what I

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Speaker 3: doing research with something like that, your books get Your

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Speaker 3: very quickly. And that's what's been happening.

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Speaker 2: Would you consider yourself an abductee?

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Speaker 3: Well, I got abducted, So yeah, I guess I have

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Speaker 2: You are You have you come across other people who

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Speaker 2: share similar experiences?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Good lord? Yes? Thousands? How many people want to tell

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Speaker 3: me their story? The answer is a lot. Over all

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Speaker 3: the eighties, Oh, George, it must be ten thousand more

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Speaker 3: or more people, at least, probably more. I've heard many, many,

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Speaker 3: now at Rice University in the Archives of the Impossible. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: What's the agenda?

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Speaker 1: Wedley?

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Speaker 2: What do they want?

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Speaker 3: It's in that A good question. There's the possibility that

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Speaker 3: it's sinister. I don't think. I don't think it's anything

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Speaker 3: sweetness and light. I mean, I'm I'm working with them.

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Speaker 3: That that's true. But that doesn't necessarily mean I think

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Speaker 3: they're they're here for reasons that we would like. They're

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Speaker 3: our needs, that'll be great. But if they don't, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're just half And in some senses, I don't see

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Speaker 3: how they could because look at the abductions that was

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Speaker 3: life and this would happened to you, and it was

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Speaker 3: an invasion of personal space. It was it was rape,

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Speaker 3: it was removal of semen and eggs from human beings

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Speaker 2: And they seem to think it's okay.

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Speaker 3: Well, whether they think it's okay or not, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but they did it. They did it.

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Speaker 2: If you find out that everything they've been doing is nefarious,

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Speaker 2: would you feel used?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in some sense, I would. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: I've been very careful. I've never portrayed this as all

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Speaker 3: sweetness and light or space brothers or anything like that,

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Speaker 3: nor have I ever said I believe they are aliens

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Speaker 3: from another planet because I don't know that, but I

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Speaker 3: have been very careful to try to communicate the complex, nuanced,

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Speaker 3: dangerous and yet at the same time valuable presence, which

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Speaker 3: is what I find of them in my life.

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