WEBVTT - The Gray Whale, Part 3

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>back with Part three, the final part in our series

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<v Speaker 1>on gray whales. Now in the previous episodes, which if

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't listened to yet, you'd probably go back and

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<v Speaker 1>check out parts one and two. First, in the previous ones,

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<v Speaker 1>we described the morphology and behavior of the species scientific

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<v Speaker 1>name is Shrichtius robust us. There the robust buddies, the

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<v Speaker 1>gray whales, and we talked about their relationship with the

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<v Speaker 1>barnacles that often pile up on them like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a big old nasty crust. And we talked about their

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with their main predator other than humans, the orca.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we're going to kick off addressing their amazing

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<v Speaker 1>migratory habits, which is probably one of the main things

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<v Speaker 1>to understand about this species. Yeah, yeah, And to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of draw back to those previous episodes that reiterate that

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<v Speaker 1>I did get the chance to see gray whales in

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<v Speaker 1>the wild at their breeding lagoons, A particular one of

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<v Speaker 1>their breeding lagoons called Ojo Delia Gray Lagoon on the

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<v Speaker 1>Baja Peninsula about halfway down the Baja Peninsula, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was an amazing experience. So I'll refer back to to

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<v Speaker 1>some of my observations alongside the various sided materials that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be referring to now speaking of those

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<v Speaker 1>breeding lagoons. In the last episode, you know, we mostly

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<v Speaker 1>discussed these as the safe waters for the birth of

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<v Speaker 1>the whale calves and a reason for migration in gray

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<v Speaker 1>whales in particular. But as highlighted in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>books that I was using here, whales their biology and

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<v Speaker 1>behavior by Hammond at all, there are other considerations to

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<v Speaker 1>take into account concerning, first of all, just migration of

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<v Speaker 1>bailing whales in general. So on the reproductive front, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>protection from orcas does seem to be a major factor,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with gray whales, and there's the additional hypothesis that

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<v Speaker 1>the whale calves to survive and grow better in warmer waters.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also argued that it's simply energetically more efficient to

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<v Speaker 1>swim to warmer waters than to overwinter up north. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also more visibility and shelter in tropical waters. We talked,

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<v Speaker 1>and this comes back to orcas survival to a large extent,

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed the gray whales ability to seek shallower waters,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of that is that there it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>they're just more nooks and crannies that the whales may

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<v Speaker 1>venture into to find refuge. Yeah. So, for example, when

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<v Speaker 1>gray whales are threatened by orcas, it's been observed that

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<v Speaker 1>they might try to seek shelters, say in kelp beds,

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<v Speaker 1>or like in hiding in seaweed, or even in breaking surf,

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<v Speaker 1>which apparently helps obscure their presence. Yeah, and we'll come

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<v Speaker 1>back to some more details about this in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>The authors here do stress, however, that there's just there's

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<v Speaker 1>no one size fits all explanation, especially considering that there

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<v Speaker 1>are various differences in behavior among the baling whales in general.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, they mentioned that one factor for many baling whales,

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<v Speaker 1>again not gray whales specifically, but but other filter feeding whales,

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be that during the summer you have a

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<v Speaker 1>stratification of the water column to include a highly photic zone,

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<v Speaker 1>resulting in rapid photosynthesis and reproduction of phytoplankton. Phytoplankton are

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<v Speaker 1>the plant plankton, and these phytoplankton in turn feed the zooplankton,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course are the animal plankton, and this generally

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<v Speaker 1>fattens up the entire ecosystem in these waters. But then

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<v Speaker 1>in the winter, cooling temps and strong winds break up

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<v Speaker 1>the stratification, mixing the vertical water column. Phytoplankton can't stay

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<v Speaker 1>near the surfaces easily, there's increasingly less sunlight and prey

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<v Speaker 1>availability takes a dive as well. Okay, so the plankton

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<v Speaker 1>scene kind of dries up a little bit. Yeah. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned, and I believe the first episode, gray

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<v Speaker 1>whales are of course rather different than a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the other baling whales, I mean, all the other extent

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<v Speaker 1>baling whales, because they're not really going after things like

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<v Speaker 1>kelp and zooplankton. No, they're going after those benthic organisms

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<v Speaker 1>like isopods in the sand on the sea floor. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're not directly feeding for the most part on plankton. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the benthic organisms down there are still part of the

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<v Speaker 1>food web and are therefore impacted as well by all

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<v Speaker 1>of this. Okay, so if you don't recall we described

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<v Speaker 1>their typical feeding behavior, I think in part one of

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<v Speaker 1>this series where unlike the whales you've probably seen kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like zooming around near the surface of the water

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<v Speaker 1>and just like letting water wash into their mouths, filtering

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<v Speaker 1>out all of the plankton or the krill or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>with their billing. The gray whales have a habit of

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<v Speaker 1>slamming their heads into the sediment on the ocean bottom

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<v Speaker 1>in relatively shallow areas to sort of like scoop up

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of this sediment and then getting like use

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<v Speaker 1>their billiing to filter the organisms out of it and

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<v Speaker 1>eat those. Yeah, exactly like basically scraping one side of

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<v Speaker 1>their face across the seafloor. Now there's another interesting factor

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<v Speaker 1>in all this. So we mentioned in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>previous episodes that gray whales have been observed in recent

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<v Speaker 1>years overwintering in the Arctic and not making the migration

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<v Speaker 1>down south in rare instances. And I don't believe we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about reproductive or currently reproducing females in these cases.

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<v Speaker 1>But basically this is a situation where we have to

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<v Speaker 1>consider climate change. Once again. We have to remember that

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<v Speaker 1>climate change has some of its more drastic effects in

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<v Speaker 1>the Arctic. And I was reading an interest in OAA

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<v Speaker 1>paper dealing with some of this, titled Sentinels of Change

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<v Speaker 1>Gray Whales in the Arctic, pointing out that less sea

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<v Speaker 1>ice means more exposed ocean areas and this alone has

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<v Speaker 1>a huge impact on the environment. But they also point

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<v Speaker 1>out the following. So in cold years, what you have

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<v Speaker 1>happening first is a spring bloom of plankton. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the early spring, most zooplankton are not yet ready to graze. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the phytoplankton, the plants digging all that sunlight, they're just

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<v Speaker 1>going crazy, and there's so much of it that the

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<v Speaker 1>zooplankton are in. The zooplankton are not ready to feed

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<v Speaker 1>on it yet, so most of it ends up sinking

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<v Speaker 1>to the bottom. And what happens at the bottom, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the benthic organisms are and they feast on them.

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<v Speaker 1>And again that is what the gray whales are primarily

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<v Speaker 1>going to eat, those creatures down there that just date

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<v Speaker 1>all of this phytoplankton. In warmer years, however, the sea

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<v Speaker 1>ice melts too early. There's not enough light to really

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<v Speaker 1>power up the spring bloom of phytoplank and so the

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<v Speaker 1>phytoplankton bloom is delayed and it doesn't really hit until

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<v Speaker 1>of the zooplankton is fully ready to feed, meaning that

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<v Speaker 1>the zooplankton can eat most of it, there's less to

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<v Speaker 1>rain down to the menthic organisms. Okay, so that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>not great for gray whales. That's what it would sound, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's their primary feast down there. But what this

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<v Speaker 1>particular paper stresses is that as warmer years likely continue

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<v Speaker 1>due to climate change, we might see gray whales shift

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<v Speaker 1>in their diet. So we mentioned that they're fairly opportunistic,

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<v Speaker 1>so they will do some filter feeding in the upper

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<v Speaker 1>portions of the water So if they aren't able to

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<v Speaker 1>get what they would normally get down there at the bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>or it seems like there's more, say zooplankton in the

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<v Speaker 1>upper portion of the water column, then they will eat

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<v Speaker 1>that and potentially eat that instead. So it's a situation

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<v Speaker 1>where they outline that a couple of things happened. We

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<v Speaker 1>might to see them displaced from their traditional feeding grounds,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also might see a portion of their diet

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<v Speaker 1>shift more in favor of filter feeding upwards in the

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<v Speaker 1>water column, eating more zooplankton than would normally make up

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<v Speaker 1>their diet and I think, goodness. I'm trying to remember

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<v Speaker 1>what the percentage was when we talked about it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a huge percentage of their known normal diet

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<v Speaker 1>is those benthic organisms down there in the sand. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a good news not I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a good news bading situation, but anyway, it

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<v Speaker 1>speaks to these organisms have been around for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>and part of their ability to survive has been their

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<v Speaker 1>ability to make reasonable adaptations. Yes, and I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>brings us back to the issue of the migration, because

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<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about right now is primarily what's happening

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<v Speaker 1>in their feeding grounds in the Arctic waters. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>only half of the story. That's really fatten up up north,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when we're talking about this population of the Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific gray whales. The other half of the story is reproduction,

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<v Speaker 1>which involves a journey south. That's right, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>quite a journey for the gray whales. The distance between

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<v Speaker 1>their summer feeding grounds and their winter breeding grounds can

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<v Speaker 1>exceed twenty thousand kilometers. That's something like twelve four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty seven miles. Now, it's worth discussing again again

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<v Speaker 1>These are not deep ocean whales, and that makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>given their diet. They primarily stick to a shallow continental

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<v Speaker 1>shelf waters. They stick reasonably close to the coast, and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore we see that reflected also in the way they

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<v Speaker 1>migrate between these two waters. They're not making a bee

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<v Speaker 1>line from one area to the next. Their journey tends

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<v Speaker 1>to be more coastal, with some alterations depending on exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what their circumstances are. Now, we mentioned that there used

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<v Speaker 1>to be a population of North Atlantic gray whales, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's thought that they would have fed around Newfoundland, the

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf of Saint Lawrence, Iceland, and Europe's North Sea. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's thought that they would have found winter breeding refuges

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere along the coasts of Georgia and the Carolinas here

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<v Speaker 1>in the States, as well as uncertain spots along the

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<v Speaker 1>coast of Spain, Portugal, and Morocco. Now, this population was

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<v Speaker 1>essentially extinct by the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries

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<v Speaker 1>do at the very least in large part to whaling,

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<v Speaker 1>if not largely to whaling or entirely to whaling. Interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>there have been proposals to try and reintroduce North Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>gray whales into this region to restore the population. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we mentioned this previously. And there's also the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that they may recolonize the area themselves as in the

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<v Speaker 1>future as sea ice melts and opens up these waters

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<v Speaker 1>to them once again. So the North Pacific population potentially

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<v Speaker 1>recolonizing the North Atlantic, but that's kind of hypothetical. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not sure exactly how that would pan out, though, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's always possible, because occasionally you do find whales

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<v Speaker 1>like way outside of their their normal ranges, right, They

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of pop up in strange places that that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't usually find them. Yeah, there are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of outstanding examples of that. Did Carboning points out a

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<v Speaker 1>single gray whale was sighted off the coast of Israel

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty ten, and in twenty thirteen one was seen

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<v Speaker 1>off the coast of Namibia, and it's uncertain exactly why

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<v Speaker 1>in both of these cases. Hammond at all point out

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<v Speaker 1>that their origin was was almost certainly the North Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>population in both cases though, Yeah, that's great. How would

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<v Speaker 1>they get that far away? Yeah, I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we know they can swim away as due to their

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<v Speaker 1>to their habitual migrations. But yeah, you want to know

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<v Speaker 1>the story of that wandering whale. Yeah. Now, now coming

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<v Speaker 1>back to that now extinct North Atlantic population. Quick Outlander

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<v Speaker 1>note out for everyone out there. I was reminded of this,

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<v Speaker 1>My wife reminded maybe that we had watched this. But

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<v Speaker 1>the television series adaptation of Outlander has a scene set

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<v Speaker 1>on the coast of South Carolina, and again this is

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<v Speaker 1>about time travelers going back in time, in which two

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<v Speaker 1>of our time traveling characters remark about some whale activity

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<v Speaker 1>off the coast and how they wouldn't have seen this

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<v Speaker 1>in their original timelines or in the original times and

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<v Speaker 1>the footage they use in the show, I had to

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<v Speaker 1>check it. It's not gray whales that they're they're using here,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, but it certainly made me think of the

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<v Speaker 1>scenario that you're like, Yeah, if you went back in

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<v Speaker 1>time before human whaling activity seemingly had a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>just drastically alter the ecosystem in the Atlantic, you would

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<v Speaker 1>have potentially seen these great whales, Like it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been possible for me to see gray whales in my

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<v Speaker 1>home state of Georgia, potentially without having to travel to

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the continent and then to another country.

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<v Speaker 1>And when is this set an outlander? Is this like

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<v Speaker 1>early eighteenth century or something. Yeah, the initial transplant I

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<v Speaker 1>think is from nineteen forty five to seventeen forty three. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly, as we'll discuss, given the population changes in

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<v Speaker 1>the gray whale at nineteen forty five, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>bad time for the gray whale anyway. This also reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of something that our previous guest on the show. This,

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<v Speaker 1>I think was while you were out Joe, I talked

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<v Speaker 1>with Ryan Tucker Jones, author of the book Read Leviathan,

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<v Speaker 1>which is largely about Soviet whaling in the Industrial Age,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also discusses just the history of whaling in general,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's a fascinating look at like why the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union got increasingly into whaling during the Industrial Age

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<v Speaker 1>and the impact of it, what was also learned scientifically

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<v Speaker 1>from it. And there's a there's a bit in that.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just from the introduction where he writes, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>as someone who grew up in Oregon and California in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties, I experienced the ocean at the whale's

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<v Speaker 1>lowest point, an ocean that had been created by the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union as much as anyone. The history of Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>whaling belongs to anyone who looks out to the sea

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<v Speaker 1>and sees nothing. Oh yeah, it's there. Are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of really haunting moments in the book and just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of great details. Certainly go back and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>that interview for more or or just check out the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a reminder that the gray whale in particular was

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<v Speaker 1>hunted near the point of extinction by humans. We slaughtered

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<v Speaker 1>them on their migration routes. We slaughtered them in their

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<v Speaker 1>northern feeding grounds, and we slaughtered them in their breeding lagoons.

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<v Speaker 1>They were afforded full protection in nineteen forty six. Those

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet whalers took three hundred and twenty hundred scientific permit

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty, along with another one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight illegally. These figures according to Carwadene in Carveding Just

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<v Speaker 1>in case you don't remember, I haven't cited him in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, but that's Mark Carwadine's Handbook of Whales, Dolphins

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<v Speaker 1>and Porpoises of the World. But adding more context from

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<v Speaker 1>Jones here, he notes that by the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>classical age of whaling, so the pre industrial sailing age

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<v Speaker 1>of whaling, the sort of moby Dick era of whaling. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>humans mainly Americans, had reduced Pacific gray whales from around

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four thousand to a remnant population of two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic gray whales were entirely extinct, and so from what

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<v Speaker 1>I understand today, Atlantic gray whales they are gone for

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<v Speaker 1>all we know. And then there are the two populations.

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<v Speaker 1>There is the Western Pacific gray whale, which lives along

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<v Speaker 1>the eastern coast of the Asian mainland. That population is,

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<v Speaker 1>from what we can tell, in pretty rough shape today.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember how many individuals it's down to, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's estimated to be pretty low, whereas the Eastern Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>gray whale along the coast of North America is doing okay. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And in terms of the classical and industrial whaling, like,

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<v Speaker 1>certain species were impacted more in different in different phases.

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<v Speaker 1>So the gray whales were slower and they tended to

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<v Speaker 1>be closer to shore, so in many respects they were

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<v Speaker 1>easier to catch during that classic age of whaling. Though

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<v Speaker 1>like we mentioned, they they were the devilfish. They could

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<v Speaker 1>certainly put up a hell of a fight as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But as the age of industrial whaling brought many of

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<v Speaker 1>the faster species like blue whales and fins into the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of whaling fold, here those whales had fewer defenses

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<v Speaker 1>against whalers. They'd really only ever had to contend with

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<v Speaker 1>orca jones rides. But meanwhile, in the age of industrialized

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet whaling, quote, gray whales were particularly tricky. Soviet whalers

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<v Speaker 1>noted that, despite being slow, the gray was the only

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<v Speaker 1>whale and he quotes about which no rules of catching

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<v Speaker 1>have been established. Only on rare occasions did gray's move

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<v Speaker 1>in a straight line, instead usually swimming in zigzags, making

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<v Speaker 1>movements to one or the other side without determined direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Science the Soviets hoped might help establish some or other

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<v Speaker 1>pattern to its movement. I wonder if the ways that

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<v Speaker 1>different whales reacted to threats by human whalers was affected

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<v Speaker 1>by the different strategies these species had for dealing with orca. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>the threats posed by human whalers and orca are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be of a very different shape and nature, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some anti predator strategies aimed at orca were just

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<v Speaker 1>also just also happened to buy coincidence be better at

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<v Speaker 1>evading human whalers. Yeah, it sounds likely because certainly the end,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things about the industrial ages, you just

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<v Speaker 1>had faster ships and they could keep up with with

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<v Speaker 1>whales and they could get those whales that were further out.

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<v Speaker 1>So gray whales in the North Pacific were greatly reduced

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<v Speaker 1>by this time, and those that remained even were even

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<v Speaker 1>harder to acquire. Jones also notes that by nineteen thirty six,

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<v Speaker 1>the average size of gray whales captured was greatly decreased,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reasoning hero was quote the population was no

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<v Speaker 1>longer seeing its members to adulthood, because again, these are

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<v Speaker 1>creatures that can live I think upwards of late like

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<v Speaker 1>eighty years or so if I'm remembering correctly, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just they that's how impacted the population was now today.

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<v Speaker 1>Caring notes that while gray whales in general have greatly rebounded,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, if you look them up online, you'll quickly

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<v Speaker 1>see that they're listed as least concern as far as

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<v Speaker 1>conservation status goes, which is which is great news. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a heck of a comeback story. But they're still threatened

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<v Speaker 1>by oil and gas developments in the Arctic and and

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<v Speaker 1>declining sea ice. Other threats include entanglement in fishing gear,

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<v Speaker 1>occasional illegal harpooning, chemical pollution, noise pollution, ship collision, and

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<v Speaker 1>the expansion of sea salt production in Baja California. In

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<v Speaker 1>my own experience down there in Baja California, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the lagoon that we ventured out too in order to

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<v Speaker 1>see the whales was surrounded pretty much only by salt

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<v Speaker 1>industry projects, so I can understand where that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a concern. Carveding also notes that while the Eastern North

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific group is doing great at the moment, there was

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<v Speaker 1>you to see some fluctuations. So there was a six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty one whale die off in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine through twenty eleven, and that would have been like

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty three percent population die off, though this doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessary daily reflect long term survivability according to the NAA,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can have big swings in population like that

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<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't necessarily speak to how the species is

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<v Speaker 1>doing long term. But that Western North Pacific population, like

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<v Speaker 1>we said earlier, this one, according to Carvedin, is quote,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most endangered whale populations in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So even though the species at whole is doing better,

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<v Speaker 1>we're mostly looking at the Eastern North Pacific group as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to the Western North Pacific group. Again, to whatever extent,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a true separate population because we do see overlap

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<v Speaker 1>in their breeding and behavior. So getting more back into

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<v Speaker 1>just the migration patterns here that are pretty fascinating. We

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<v Speaker 1>have the North Pacific gray whale to contend with here,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have these two basic groups. The Eastern North

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific grays migrate between those Baja California breeding lagoons and

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<v Speaker 1>summer feeding grounds and the bearing chuck Chee and Beaufort seats,

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<v Speaker 1>though this range is expanding as the ice opens up again.

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<v Speaker 1>The Western North Pacific grays migrate between winter breeding grounds

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in the South China Sea to summer feeding grounds

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<v Speaker 1>in the Sea of Okoksk and parts of Kamchatka, and

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<v Speaker 1>there is some mixing of these groups in both the

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<v Speaker 1>summer and winter. Now, the Eastern North Pacific grays have

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<v Speaker 1>the longer of the two migrations, spanning up to fifty

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<v Speaker 1>degrees of latitude according to Carwadine, and the shortest return

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<v Speaker 1>journey for these whales is about twelve thousand kilometers or

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<v Speaker 1>about seven thousand, four hundred and fifty six miles. He

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<v Speaker 1>adds that the longest documented migration of any mammal was

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<v Speaker 1>a female gray whale with a twenty two thousand, five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eleven kilometer round trip between sakal And Island,

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<v Speaker 1>Russia and Baja California, Mexico. So that would have been

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<v Speaker 1>again that we're talking about how there is overlap in

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<v Speaker 1>the ranges of the eastern and western. Now note that

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<v Speaker 1>there's also apparently a two hundred strong Pacific coast feeding

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<v Speaker 1>group that doesn't migrate all the way up to the

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<v Speaker 1>Arctic at all, but feeds off a coastal area stretching

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<v Speaker 1>between northern California and southeast Alaska. And there's another group

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<v Speaker 1>that feeds im Puget Sound. So all right, here are

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<v Speaker 1>the stages of the migration, and in covering these stages,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to hit on some of the things we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed already, but try and keep it reasonably. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>sink here. But first we'll start with leaving the Arctic. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they've been feeding. The whales have been feeding up north,

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<v Speaker 1>and the signal of the head south seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>a combination of the formation of sea ice and the

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<v Speaker 1>decreasing day length. Apparently ninety percent leave the bearing sea

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<v Speaker 1>through intimac Pass on a sixty day journey to Baja California,

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<v Speaker 1>a near term mother's leave first, then other adults, then

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<v Speaker 1>immature females, and then immature males. The last are on

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<v Speaker 1>their way south while the first group is already on

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<v Speaker 1>their way back north. Again. Oh, that's interesting. The orca

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<v Speaker 1>threat is far less during this part of the cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Again referring back to the the orcas. The orcas are

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<v Speaker 1>are are intelligent and cunning in their hunting of these dangerous, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>these fearsome prey species. So at this point, the whales

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<v Speaker 1>have been feeding all summer long, so they're they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>fueled up, they're they're ready to fight, and their their

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<v Speaker 1>calves are are even larger than they were previously. So

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's stronger, everyone's well fed. It's not to say the

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<v Speaker 1>orcas won't feed or won't attempt to acquire prey, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is not the optimal time to do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>a reminder of what we talked about last time, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be related to the fact that orcas are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be mostly trying to prey on newborn whale

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<v Speaker 1>calves for their return journey coming up the migratory corridor

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<v Speaker 1>back to the feeding grounds, because a healthy adult gray

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<v Speaker 1>whale is a pretty hard target, and orcas are observed

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<v Speaker 1>to not never, but very rarely try to attack a

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<v Speaker 1>healthy adult. Usually what they're trying to do is separate

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<v Speaker 1>a young calf and and prey on it. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So they make their way south, and then it's lagoon time,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are three main areas that they gather here.

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<v Speaker 1>The exact amount of time spent in the lagoon's berries

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<v Speaker 1>depending on sex and the presence of calves. Females with

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<v Speaker 1>young cows just going to hang out far longer because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they need to bring get that that young

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<v Speaker 1>one up to wait up to strength before they head

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<v Speaker 1>back out again. Whereas like a male that's come down

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<v Speaker 1>to breed, you know, obviously he doesn't have to stay

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<v Speaker 1>as long's he can head back up as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>he's ready. As we've discussed, these waters provide shelter against

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<v Speaker 1>the orca, but they don't provide food. The adult whales

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<v Speaker 1>don't feed while they're in the lagoon, and the whales

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<v Speaker 1>that are born here while they drink their mother's milk,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course that is you know, just going to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of drain the mother is even more so this

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<v Speaker 1>makes it really important that they fatten up as much

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<v Speaker 1>as possible before the journey south exactly. Yeah, like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>they seem safe from the orca here because the orca

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<v Speaker 1>are hesitant to enter into shallow waters where they won't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to employ their full range of pack hunting techniques.

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<v Speaker 1>And also where I don't know if we mentioned this either,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are a lot of whales in these waters.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I was out there, you'd see just they

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<v Speaker 1>were everywhere. There were just hundreds of them. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw they had a tallied count even at the

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<v Speaker 1>whale center there and the figures I'm pulling this up

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<v Speaker 1>on my phone. I took a picture of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>the total count for mothers with babies was three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty two. The lonely whale count was two eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So like this is just the count, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like nine hundred and thirty one whales already during that

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<v Speaker 1>that breeding season. So another reason I guess to tread carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're an orca, you know you're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>into this area where you can't use all of your tactics,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are tons of whales that, as we mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>may work together against you if you present yourself as

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<v Speaker 1>a threat. Right, But that doesn't mean they don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about these lagoons, that mean they don't occasionally even venture

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.399
<v Speaker 1>in on a scouting mission. They're out there beyond the

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<v Speaker 1>limits of the lagoons more or less waiting because again,

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>as Carveding points out, the orca choose to strike quote

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>when natural features tip the balance in their favor. All right, So,

0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>but eventually it's time to head north again. These they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't been feeding. Everyone needs to get back to those

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 1>feeding grounds. So first all the whales except mothers and

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<v Speaker 1>calves leave, and they tend to take the more direct

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<v Speaker 1>route that has brought them there. So, for instance, if

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<v Speaker 1>there's a you know, they stick more or less to

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<v Speaker 1>the coast, But if there's an area where there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a bay or something, or a little inlet, they're more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to just go straight across that inlet instead of

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<v Speaker 1>hugging the coast through all the milks and crannies. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>a little more as the crow flies, right, But when

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<v Speaker 1>the mothers and calves leave. This is about one to

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<v Speaker 1>two months later. The calves have grown stronger on and

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<v Speaker 1>it's there they're far more prepared than they were to

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<v Speaker 1>head out into these dangerous waters. But it ends up

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<v Speaker 1>also being a longer trip for them because they are

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 1>going to stick closer to the shore. They are going

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.760
<v Speaker 1>to travel around all the contours of the shore, you know,

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>as much as as possible, rather than crossing or cutting corners.

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's pretty obvious why right, Because, as

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 1>we discussed last time, one of the main anti predator

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.920
<v Speaker 1>strategies of the gray whale trying to get away from

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>an orca attack or orca harassment is to retreat into

0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the shallows, where the orcas certainly can't attack effectively and

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.920
<v Speaker 1>often won't even try to follow right. So for this reason,

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 1>they tend to stick within two hundred meters or about

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 1>six hundred and fifty six feet of the shore, often

0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>moving through kelp beds. Now, this is definitely the most

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:51.479
<v Speaker 1>dangerous part of the whole migration cycle, though in general

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 1>the return trip, because the calves have had a month

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 1>or two to grow and gain strength, but they are

0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:01.679
<v Speaker 1>still at their most vulnerable during this leg, so you know,

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the mothers that are protecting them have not fed in months,

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:08.680
<v Speaker 1>and then increasingly as they move north, I mean they're

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:11.640
<v Speaker 1>they're also going to grow a little bit weaker. They've

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>only had the milk to feed off of. And then

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 1>again the orca are going to strike wind conditions are

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>most optimal for them. And generally there are two major

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>known attack spots along the journey attack hot spots, as

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>the literature refers to them. One of them is Monterey

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Bay in California, and the other is Alaska's Unamaic Pass.

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>Unamat Pass is the most popular of the two, and

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 1>this has to do with the fact that both the

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.360
<v Speaker 1>mothers and the calves are kind of at optimal weakness here.

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>This is further north on the return trip, so like

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>everything is tipping in favor of the the orca at

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>this point, and so a number are just going to

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.320
<v Speaker 1>be picked off during this period. That's just how it goes,

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the cycle of predation. But enough are going to

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>reach those northern waters, and at that point this whole

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>cycle begins again. They reach the northern waters, it's time

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>to feed, to gain strength, to fatten up, and the

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 1>whole cycle continues and of course, part of this whole

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>cycle is the barnacles, because the barnacle. Again, those calves

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 1>are born without the barnacles, but those barnacles will grow.

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.719
<v Speaker 1>The life cycle of the barnacles is tied up with

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the life cycle and the travels of these whales. That's right.

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 1>We are never without our barnacles, are we, whether metaphorical

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>or literal. So gray whales, just to do a quick

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.119
<v Speaker 1>refresher on our previous discussions about whales and whale barnacles,

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>gray whales and other species such as humpbacks and so forth,

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>are regularly found carrying a large load of barnacles. And

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>a barnacle is a filter feeding crustacean. It's kind of

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>like a tiny shrimp that is stationary for the adult

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>portion of its life. So a barnacle will generally swim

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 1>around as a larva as a young ling, and it

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>will find a suitable substrate, then cement its head to

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>that substrate, and then build a hard shell out of

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>calcium carbon plates. And these shells can take many different forms.

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.360
<v Speaker 1>They can look like anything from a concrete pumpkin to

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>a little volcano, and then they live by filter feeding.

0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>They wave these little legs called cerri out in the

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>water to catch bits of plankton and pull them in

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and eat them. Some species of barnacle specialize in living

0:29:21.120 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>on the bodies of whales, and this is of course

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>great for the barnacle because it provides a steady flow

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>of water to feed from. Barnacles. Often, when they're not

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 1>on whales, many barnacle species try to find a spot

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>in the intertidal zone where the tides are going to

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>be moving waters over them in and out all day,

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>because they need moving water to help catch their food,

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>to bring food to them. I think the way we

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>put it was that they need high foot traffic areas.

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>So latching onto a whale is a great adaptation. That's

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna have water flowing over you all the time as

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the whale swims. But also it's very helpful in that

0:29:56.240 --> 0:30:00.160
<v Speaker 1>it provides protection from predators. And you can see some

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>evidence of this in the size that whale barnacles grow

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>to and in the fact that they often have a

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 1>shell or plate design that is less defensive looking, like

0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>they close less completely and often have more fleshy bits

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>just kind of poken out all the time. So this

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>relationship definitely helps the barnacles. But how does it affect

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the whales. That's not entirely clear. We talked about some

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 1>arguments several different ways in the previous episode. It may

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 1>hurt the whales by causing drag during swimming, would of

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>course reduce swimming speed and efficiency for the whale. It

0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 1>might possibly also help the whale in some cases by

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>providing kind of armor plating for violent encounters with orcas

0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>or interest specific aggression between say male humpbacks during mating season,

0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>but that's not certain. That's a maybe. But whatever the

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>effect on the whales, it is normal to find gray

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 1>whales covered in hundreds of pounds of barnacles by adulthood,

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>so they've got a bunch of barnacles on there. In fact,

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>gray whales have a particular specialist type of barnacle that

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>is unique to them called crypto lapos rakianecte. So that's

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 1>the background. But I wanted to come back to barnacles

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>because I was reading a really interesting article in Hakai

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>magazine by an author named Mara Gruenbaum. This was published

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 1>in November twenty twenty one, and the article is called

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>what whale barnacles? No very interesting article worth looking up

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and reading in full, but I just wanted to mention

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>a few elements from it that caught my attention. So

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 1>one thing I don't think I fully clocked when we

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>talked about whale barnacles in the previous episode is how

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 1>big some of them get. Was some species of whale

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>barnacles grow very large compared to most barnacles you would

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 1>find attached to stationary surfaces. The article here compares them

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 1>at the upper end to several things. Compares them to

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the size of a coffee mug, a tennis ball, or

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>a clementine orange. Rob. I don't know how big the

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>barnacles on the gray whales you saw were, but some

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 1>of these photos I've now seen with other objects for

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>scale makes you realize, like, wow, those are some some beasts. Yeah,

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean the ones I saw were pretty large, and

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 1>then of course you would you would sometimes see them

0:32:15.880 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>clump together as well, so that kind of adds to

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the feeling. But individually, yeah, some of them are quite large.

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 1>So there's one fact that is off handily alluded to

0:32:35.160 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>in this article that I hadn't come across before, and

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>it made me want to do some digging because I

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 1>found it fascinating. But there is a passage where Grundbaum

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>rites quote these unbudging appendages speaking of whale barnacles, of course,

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>which colonize a dozen odd different whale species, latch on

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>so tightly that they are practically part of the whale's skin.

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>As a result, they were carried into caves by Southern

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 1>African people who foraged washed up whale meat one hundred

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>and sixty four thousand years ago. So WHOA, that's an

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 1>image prehistoric people foraging whale meat. I don't know why

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't have imagined that happened before, but it totally

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>makes sense, so I decided to look up the primary

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 1>evidence for this. I believe the author here is citing

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>some findings from a place called the Pinnacle Point Cave

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>thirteen b in South Africa, in which fragments of whale

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 1>barnacle were found, But this is not, in fact the

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>only case of whale barnacles being found away from the

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>ocean in caves inhabited by prehistoric peoples, giving evidence that

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>these people foraged whale meat. Another example I came across

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>was a cave in Spain. This was written about in

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 1>a paper by Esteban Alvarez Fernandez at All published in

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the Quaternary Journal in twenty fourteen. Paper is called occurrence

0:33:56.400 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>of Whale barnacles in Nurja Cave, Malaga, Southern Spain Indirect

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>evidence of whale consumption by humans in the Upper Magdalenian

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>and the authors write, quote, whale barnacles indicate that maritime

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 1>oriented forage or human groups found stranded whales on the

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>coast and because of the size and weight of the

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>large bones, transported only certain pieces such as skin, blubber,

0:34:20.480 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>and meat to the caves where they were consumed. And

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 1>so we have this evidence of consumption of whale flesh

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 1>soft parts of whale flesh, not the bones in these

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 1>human caves, because the barnacles are in there. How else

0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>would the barnacles get into these human inhabited caves. They're

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>stuck to whales all the time. So because many whale

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>barnacles are adapted to a particular host species, you can

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 1>also tell in these cases what type of whale meat

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>the people were eating, and in this case it was

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>two different species of barnacle that are found on the

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 1>southern right whale. That's also interesting because these whales are

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>only found much farther south today, but the author's right quote.

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Because of Antarctic sea ice expansion during the last glacial period,

0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>these whales could have migrated to the northern hemisphere and

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:13.359
<v Speaker 1>reached southern Spain. Oh wow, that's fascinating. So these are

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>not gray whales. But because gray whales also have associated

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 1>barnacle species, you could, by the same method, potentially identify

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.760
<v Speaker 1>ancient ranges of gray whales by looking for evidence of

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:29.399
<v Speaker 1>their dedicated barnacles. And there's another way this article gets

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>into that. You could look at the prehistory of whales

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.240
<v Speaker 1>that look at the ancient movements of whales by looking

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>at barnacles. I'll get to that in the second but

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.920
<v Speaker 1>first I wanted to mention a couple of other interesting facts.

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>So one thing is this article just describes some of

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the difficulties in the research on whale barnacles, like it's

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>hard to acquire whale barnacles alive and study them, say,

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.520
<v Speaker 1>to study their reproduction in the lab, for obvious reasons

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and for less obvious ones. The obvious reasons would be

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>like they are attached to living whales, and the less

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 1>obvious reasons would be because these barnacles are not as

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.359
<v Speaker 1>they're not as hardy from taking them out of their

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>natural environment because, for example, these whale barnacles typically can't

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>seal themselves shut completely, so they can't fully close the

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.919
<v Speaker 1>door to keep the water inside when you remove them

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>from their original context. So like you find a whale

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 1>washed up on a beach, the whale barnacles on it

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 1>will typically die pretty quick, and so no one. The

0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.880
<v Speaker 1>article stresses how nobody really has figured out yet the

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>right way to care for and preserve the lives of

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 1>these animals once they are taken off of the whale

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>they belong to. But there's another thing I wanted to emphasize,

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>grin Bond describes, which is the kind of the more

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 1>body horror aspect of the boundary point between whale and barnacle,

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>which is maybe kind of a gray area, is like

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:02.720
<v Speaker 1>where one begins and the other ends. Grunbaum writes, quote,

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 1>each of these barnacles has a shell structure specially evolved

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to anchor itself into its host's flesh. Many species have

0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>chambers within their wall plates into which prongs of whale

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:20.320
<v Speaker 1>skin grow upward, strengthening the barnacle's grip. And this further

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>explains actually like why it is hard to access living

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>whale barnacles for research. It's not just a question to

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of like popping one of them off. It would

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>generally require cutting into the whale's flesh to separate the

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>barnacle from the whale. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean this,

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, comes back to like why do the gray

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 1>whales have their their signature appearance, And a lot of

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>it is like part of its the barnacles, but also

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>like these gray sort of splotches on their body scars

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>from various things, including scars from where the barnacles were

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 1>previously attached. Yeah, yeah, scars, because they're like, you know,

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.399
<v Speaker 1>they really like grab a hold they get in there.

0:37:58.080 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Another thing I've read about is that apparently areas underneath

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the barnacles tend to become depigmented on whale skin, so

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 1>you can often see them by that there'll be like

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>a different shade than the surrounding skin. Now we're gonna

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 1>about to get into a really interesting area here, because

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, the thing about living your full life on

0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 1>a migratory large mammal like this is that your life

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 1>cycle is intrinsically tied to the movements in life cycle

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>of your host species, that's right, and partially for this reason,

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>there's so much we don't know about the whale barnacle

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>life cycle. There's things we don't know about their cycles

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.399
<v Speaker 1>and their reproduction. They're just hard to study. So they

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 1>seem to mate with other barnacles nearby on the same whale,

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 1>but they wait until the whales go to their coastal

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 1>breeding and calving grounds to release their larvae. And these

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:53.240
<v Speaker 1>larvae are probably guided by an attraction to a chemical

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 1>signal that helps them find the whale skin. This could

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>be a chemical emitted by other barnacles already present. So

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe there's kind of a you know, I don't think

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 1>korum sensing is the right word. That's from different but

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, they sense a congregation of their kind, or

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it could be a biosignature from the skin of the

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>whale itself. Maybe they're attracted to some kind of signature

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<v Speaker 1>mammalian molecule. They also have to do some crawling around

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<v Speaker 1>on the whale as larvae before they cement themselves down,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't just go anywhere on the whale. There

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<v Speaker 1>are favored regions of the whale's body, often the forehead,

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<v Speaker 1>the tail, and the forward facing edges of the flippers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think this is because it increases their access

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<v Speaker 1>to flowing water and the plankton in it. But finally,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a really big interesting thread in this article that's

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<v Speaker 1>about studying the chemical composition of whale barnacle shells to

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<v Speaker 1>determine where whales travel. So barnacles are there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their shell builders. They are constantly building up new layers

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<v Speaker 1>of their calcium carbonate plates, And at some point researchers

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<v Speaker 1>figured out that you could look at the layers of

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<v Speaker 1>these plates kind of like tree rings, but by analyzing

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<v Speaker 1>the ratio of oxygen isotopes in each layer, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>just tell, you know, it's not just counting the tree rings.

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<v Speaker 1>You could actually say a lot about the properties of

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<v Speaker 1>the water in which each layer was formed, So what

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<v Speaker 1>was the temperature of the water, what was the salinity, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually you could then compare that information to things

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<v Speaker 1>we know about different regions of the ocean at different times,

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<v Speaker 1>and this would allow you, by proxy to roughly track

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<v Speaker 1>the migration history of the whale on which a barnacle

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<v Speaker 1>lived by peeling back and analyzing the mini layers of

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<v Speaker 1>its plates and Researchers initially studied this on the shells

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<v Speaker 1>of living or recently living barnacles, but it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>you could even do this with fossilized remains of whale barnacles,

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<v Speaker 1>and by this method you can track the movements not

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<v Speaker 1>only of living whales or recently living whales, but whales

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<v Speaker 1>that lived hundreds of thousands of years ago, and that information,

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<v Speaker 1>in turn can help shed light on unsolved problems in

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<v Speaker 1>whale evolutions, such as when and why did billeen whales

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<v Speaker 1>start migrating groombaumb Wrights quote. One hypothesis suggests that it

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<v Speaker 1>happened around three million years ago, when massive ice sheets

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<v Speaker 1>started spreading across much of the northern hemisphere. The colder

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<v Speaker 1>temperatures would have frozen whales out of some of their

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<v Speaker 1>habitats and put more constraints on where plankton could flourish

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<v Speaker 1>in Earth's oceans, and the patterns that came to exist

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<v Speaker 1>in the locations of these, say food and shelter resources,

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<v Speaker 1>would therefore lead to the establishment of migration patterns over time.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know exactly how it happened, but that's one idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it seems like we can now maybe use

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<v Speaker 1>fossilized whale barnacles to get some insight into what those

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<v Speaker 1>ancient patterns of migration were when they changed, and what

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<v Speaker 1>those what those changes might coincide with is, say, in

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<v Speaker 1>the climate sphere. And this of course can help shed

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 1>light on things today as well. Doesn't just tell us

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<v Speaker 1>about the past, because understanding when and why ancient whales

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<v Speaker 1>started changing their migratory patterns, for example, in relationship to

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.879
<v Speaker 1>ocean temperatures and sea level and so forth, that could

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<v Speaker 1>help us understand what's likely to happen in the near

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<v Speaker 1>future with oceans being affected by our rapidly heating planet.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, it was just a few notes from there,

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<v Speaker 1>but that article What Whale Barnacles Know very interesting worth

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<v Speaker 1>a read. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>think about. It's easy to dismiss the barnacles. It's just

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>this hanger on, just this sex up parasite of the whale,

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<v Speaker 1>But there's so much information tied up in the barnacle

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<v Speaker 1>about the host species. Well, this has been this has

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<v Speaker 1>been a really fun journey. I've really enjoyed getting to

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<v Speaker 1>dive in to researching the gray whale. After getting to

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<v Speaker 1>have this experience with them. I guess some people would

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<v Speaker 1>probably do this in reverse order to do their research

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<v Speaker 1>and then have the experience, but for whatever reason, I

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<v Speaker 1>end up doing it the other way around most of

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<v Speaker 1>the time. But I enjoyed I kind of that's one

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<v Speaker 1>way to sort of draw out these experiences. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's a bad way at all, experience and

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<v Speaker 1>then reflect. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I've cited several

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<v Speaker 1>authors and sources that were helpful in the research for

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 1>these episodes, but I'd also like to throw in some

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<v Speaker 1>hefty things to the local guides at the Ojo de

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<v Speaker 1>Layabre Lagoon, some of which have been doing this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of guide work every year for something like thirty five years,

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 1>as well as the international tour guides that I had there,

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>Keith Hassan and Donna in particular. Everyone was delightful and

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<v Speaker 1>full of wonderful facts and observations about the whales, and

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<v Speaker 1>I also really enjoyed the company of the folks that

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<v Speaker 1>my family toured with. In case any of you out

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<v Speaker 1>there having to be listening, the great thing about a

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<v Speaker 1>trip like this is that no one is that they

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<v Speaker 1>are is just kind of sort of into Wales like everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>At least in my experience, everyone was really excited, really

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<v Speaker 1>into them, and really compassionate for them. So yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>a shout out if should any of you be listening.

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