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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, January twenty ninth, and

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Speaker 1: we just heard from an adult in Minneapolis. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. I say

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Speaker 1: that Robes because we just listened to he's wrapping up.

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Speaker 1: But Tom Holman, the new person in charge that the

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Speaker 1: President has sent there, he has said some things now

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Speaker 1: that makes you actually think. You know what I thought about?

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Speaker 1: What was the guy they put on the ground after

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Speaker 1: Hurricane Katrina, Honore. Yes, it makes it seem like there's

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Speaker 1: chaos and we have an adult who's come to clean

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Speaker 1: this mess up. I liked what I heard from this guy.

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Speaker 2: Look, you have been asking for and questioning, where is

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Speaker 2: the voice of reason? Where is the person who we

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Speaker 2: can say he's in charge. He is going to unite us,

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Speaker 2: He's gonna make this thing better. And we hadn't had

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Speaker 2: that until now. We had folks fanning the flames, fueling

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Speaker 2: the fire. The tensions weren't getting tamped down. But you

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Speaker 2: know what hearing Tom Homan the borders are speak today.

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Speaker 2: It was like a father figure, grandfather figure or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But this person who are like you get it. You've

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Speaker 2: been there, done that, you know how to lead and

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Speaker 2: you know how to bring people together.

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Speaker 1: Even his demeanor. Yeah, people have seen him. There is

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Speaker 1: no emotion to this guy as he does his job.

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's what's needed right now, because everybody who's

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Speaker 2: I had not thought about that, but you nailed it.

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Speaker 2: You actually need somebody who can take emotion out of

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Speaker 2: it and get things done the way they need to

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Speaker 2: be done with less emotion, and that is what tends

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Speaker 2: to lead to the violence.

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Speaker 1: So you're right.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't thought it, but he is just straightforward. It's

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Speaker 2: what you want, It's who you want in charge of

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Speaker 2: a mess like this.

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Speaker 1: So the mess. We have several updates on the mess,

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Speaker 1: including from Tom Homan will tell you exactly what he said,

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Speaker 1: which includes a draw down plan. Yes, also out of Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Another video and more arguing. There's another video of pretty

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Speaker 1: maybe you have seen it, but this was from an

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Speaker 1: interaction he had with Ice agents eleven days prior to

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Speaker 1: his death. Also an update on the attack on ilhan Omar.

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Speaker 1: We know what was in that syringe now that that

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Speaker 1: person sprayed on her during her town hall apple cider vinegar.

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Speaker 1: They say, also, we have an update on the agents

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Speaker 1: who were involved in that shooting. And also a judge

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Speaker 1: seems really pissed with Ice there in Minneapolis. We'll get

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Speaker 1: to all that, but first I start with Holman ropes.

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Speaker 1: That's a big deal. This man came out, stepped on stage.

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Speaker 1: Didn't take him loong. He said there is a draw

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Speaker 1: down plan in the works.

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Speaker 2: That was huge, and I love that he said, I'm

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Speaker 2: staying until the problem's gone. There was something reassuring about that,

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Speaker 2: saying he wasn't here for photo ops and for headlines,

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Speaker 2: but he was here for solutions. And part of that solution, yes,

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Speaker 2: is that there is a draw down plan in minute Apolis,

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Speaker 2: and it involves coordination and cooperation with the Attorney General,

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Speaker 2: which he says he has and with the sheriff's departments

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Speaker 2: who are running some of these jails. There's a big

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Speaker 2: part of going after the targeted undocumented immigrants who are

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Speaker 2: in prison or in jail right now, who have committed

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Speaker 2: criminal acts.

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Speaker 1: That's a big deal. He's saying. They're getting cooperation now,

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Speaker 1: and they have the right, according to the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: they're in Minnesota to go into and yes, get those

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Speaker 1: folks that are there who are legally have been arrested.

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Speaker 1: He also said they have agreed that when the justice

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Speaker 1: give ICE a heads up so we can pick them

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Speaker 1: up if we believe those folks are going to be

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Speaker 2: Huge, and it made a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: He put it like this.

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Speaker 2: He said, if if we know someone's being released and

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Speaker 2: to pick up one person in a jail, that's very

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Speaker 2: the community. So this makes things quicker, easier, and more

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Speaker 2: importantly safer.

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Speaker 1: And safer because you're dunt one Bacon argue, you don't

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Speaker 1: have more criminals on the street. Two, you don't have

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Speaker 1: jail robes. That is a huge matter. He said, we

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Speaker 1: them in jails. This is what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: This was this was a moment today rose but a

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Speaker 1: to the point, you're almost he's talking without urgency or emotion,

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Speaker 2: Import Yes, yes, that's how little emotion was there. I

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Speaker 2: like how he phrased it that he called it common

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Speaker 2: mean less agents in the streets, and that is what

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Speaker 2: everyone wants in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: No, he I will give him credit as well as

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Speaker 1: being the best to toe the Donald Trump and the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration line. He still acknowledged the Previo administration's problems

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Speaker 1: with immigration. This president still has the same mission. Make

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Speaker 1: no mistake. He's not changing or saying this is a

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Speaker 1: failure or just operational change. This is no. He still

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Speaker 1: towed the line ropes without sounding like Christinolan, without signing

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Speaker 1: like Bavino, who just were blindly some accused of blindly

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Speaker 1: just doing what the president want or what he said,

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Speaker 1: or making sure you you don't admit that you did

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Speaker 1: anything wrong. This guy had a different tone. He was

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Speaker 1: able to toe that line to where, Okay, we understand

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Speaker 1: he works for the president, he has a responsibility to

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Speaker 1: his boss, but he didn't just blindly say what we're

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Speaker 1: doing is right and everything we've done is right. This

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Speaker 1: is a totally different tone. We should have heard this

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Speaker 2: Yes, and to your point, one of his big headlines

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Speaker 2: was and this I'm sure brings some level of comfort

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Speaker 2: to folks who are concerned about how federal agents have

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Speaker 2: if federal agents don't act with professionalism, they will be

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Speaker 2: dealt with. So he's saying there is accountability for how

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Speaker 2: federal officers, Border patrol officers conduct themselves on the streets

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Speaker 2: of Minneapolis. But he also had a message to protesters. Please,

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Speaker 2: you are allowed to protest, you are allowed to show

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Speaker 2: your discontent with the situation, but you never ever have

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Speaker 2: a right to impede what law enforcement is doing, assaulting,

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Speaker 2: threatening law enforcement. He said there will be zero tolerance

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Speaker 2: for that on the other side as well, which I

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Speaker 1: He said very reasonable things. Both sides have a right

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Speaker 1: at times. Wow, but he is there. He got on

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Speaker 1: it was even cool. One of the first things he said. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you ain't seen me because I ain't come here for headlines.

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Speaker 1: I didn't come here for photo ops. Like wow. He

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Speaker 1: talked about meeting after meeting after meeting he's been having

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Speaker 1: so Holman's on the ground. But he's on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Robes at a time, where here we go again, we're

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Speaker 1: fighting over another video of Alex Preddy. This is a

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Speaker 1: different one. This one was taken eleven days before he

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Speaker 1: was killed, Robes, and this one shows him in a

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we I hope this goes without saying, but

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Speaker 2: we'll say it just to be on record with it.

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Speaker 2: Nothing justifies the killing of Preddy. Nothing that he did

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Speaker 2: eleven days prior justifies him being shot in the street

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Speaker 2: the way he was on that but the way he

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Speaker 2: has been described and he can still be a peaceful,

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Speaker 2: wonderful human being who saves lives as an icy U

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Speaker 2: nurse for the Veterans Affairs Hospital. That can all be true,

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Speaker 2: but at the same time it can also be true,

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Speaker 2: and this video clearly shows that he was being aggressive

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Speaker 2: You see him in the video spitting at those officers

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Speaker 2: who were in their vehicle. They did not react, they

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Speaker 2: violently kicks their tail light, shattering the taillight cover. And

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Speaker 2: that is when you see those agents get out of

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Speaker 1: We'll say, first, we don't know what happened prior. That's true,

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Speaker 1: completely prior to what when this video was shot, but

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Speaker 1: we see a significant chunk of time beforehand, and you

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Speaker 1: was angry. Okay, yes, fine. The vehicle was driving away

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Speaker 1: It was the second kick that did a significant amount

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Speaker 1: this doesn't justify anything, but it has to be taken

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Speaker 1: But this was beyond peaceful protesting.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And of note, do you see this scuffle and

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Speaker 2: that point as well eleven days prior. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if the officers didn't see it. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: but it was of note and interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, and that has to be a lesson and

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Speaker 1: You can get as angry as you want, yell and

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Speaker 1: this was a much scarier scene to where if they

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Speaker 1: had acted more violently there would have been more of

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting. I was thinking about the difference between

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Speaker 2: how we saw Alex pretty act and react in this

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Speaker 2: video eleven days prior to what we saw in the

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Speaker 2: very seemingly was videoing with his cell phone and then

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Speaker 2: reacting and protecting. You could argue a woman who got

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Speaker 2: pepper sprayed and thrown to the ground, this is a

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Speaker 2: much different scenario. And look, this is exactly what we

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Speaker 2: just heard from Homan saying you don't have a right

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Speaker 2: as a protester to aggressively impede an officer's duty and

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Speaker 2: certainly not destroy your damaged property and spitting at an

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Speaker 1: So yes, that is being debated about and talked about

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Speaker 2: I mean, right, look if you and there are plenty

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