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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull. That for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm.

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Speaker 2: For I've heard so many players say, well I want

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Speaker 2: to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day? Edo Steak

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Speaker 1: is that woo whoo? And them and tie Dan Rubinstee,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. I wanted to congratulate you

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Speaker 1: on your triumph in dentistry. I heard you had a

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Speaker 1: thank you again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my old fashioned yanka of a snaggletooth out of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was.

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Speaker 2: It was a little bit uh in a public place too,

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Speaker 2: no less in public at Mother's day brunch. It was

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Speaker 2: snaggling and I was like, you know what, I'd rather

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Speaker 2: just do away with all the snaggling. And I said,

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Speaker 2: all right, can I pull that out? And he goes, yeah, sure.

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Speaker 1: Did you have appliers on hand? Like? What was the

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Speaker 1: apparatus used here?

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Speaker 2: Do you just knowing analog man digits?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had ice water switching around his mouth.

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Speaker 1: We were all good.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's medically advised, but that's where

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Speaker 1: Well, we do have dentists who listen to the show,

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Speaker 1: so chime in solid verbal at gmail dot com. What

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Speaker 1: is still your thoughts among many others. Yeah, today is

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Speaker 1: at verbolers dot com. We have been doing one of

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Speaker 1: you certainly know the drill. If you're listening to this episode, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you know what today is.

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Speaker 2: By the way, May twelfth, according to somebody on our discord,

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Speaker 2: which should provide for a nice easy transition for you.

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Speaker 2: I think today is the equinox between the National Championship

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Speaker 2: Game and week zero. Okay, so the like the autumnal equinox,

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Speaker 2: and so we're celebrating that date with Q and a beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh, welcome to the Equinox. Let's dive into our

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Speaker 1: You know, the drill folks would like to pay sweet

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Speaker 1: social channels on days like today, on this regal Equinox occasion, Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Privilege to do this. Yes, I got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: in on one hundred days until week zero, what are

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Speaker 1: over into the political sphere runs the risk of becoming

435
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: more of a performative event as opposed to something that

436
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: is actually trying to make anything better. So I guess

437
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: we will reserve judgment until we know who else is

438
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: on this commission. What I think we can speak to though,

439
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: is obviously if you're asking the question about Saban, you

440
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: sort of know where Saban's at. He's been here for

441
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years now talking about how there needs

442
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,159
Speaker 1: to be I think, better jurisdiction over nil. He has

443
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: argued for some sort of federal legislation to help govern

444
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: this whole apparatus. He has openly acknowledged that things have

445
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: gotten out I think a lot of us have acknowledged

446
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: that it's gotten out of hand. Nobody's really running this thing,

447
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: So some proper oversight would go a long way. And

448
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: we know from I think one of our previous Q

449
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: and A questions. Somebody asked about a college FOOTBA commissioner

450
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: and they mentioned Saban. I'm not nominating him for commissioner,

451
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: per se. I don't think it should be a former coach,

452
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: But there are very few people in college athletics that

453
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: have the amount of gravitas as in Nick Saban, especially

454
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: in college football. Sure, so I do think he should

455
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: be included on something like this, Even if I don't

456
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: fully agree with all of his stances, I think he

457
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: brings a lot a lot to the conversation. Cody Campbell

458
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: is interesting. Cody Campbell tied in with Texas Tech, chairman

459
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: of the Board of Regents at Texas Tech. He has

460
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: posted a lot over the years with respect to this

461
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: very topic. He is very concerned, seemingly about handing too

462
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: much power over to the likes of the big ten

463
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: in the SEC. I don't know how much of that

464
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that he is tied

465
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: in with Texas Tech, but I can say that both

466
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: you and I and many of us listening to this

467
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: right now also sharing that concern that these two big

468
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: conferences are going to rule supreme, They're going to take

469
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: the whole damn thing over in college football is going

470
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: to be unrecognizable in fifteen years.

471
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 2: Well, Nick Saban is your classic. The SEC has grown

472
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: too powerful. He must do something to rein in the

473
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: leverage and power and financial dominance of the SEC. He's

474
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: that guy. Like, if you don't know anything about Nick Saban,

475
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: know this. He is all for really curtailing the power

476
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 2: and prestige of the SEC.

477
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: I get a perfect match. I'm just saying that. Mister

478
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: Campbell here, given things that he has posted online before,

479
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: seems concerned about that. He's concerned about how all of

480
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: this could negatively affect Olympic sports, which is clearly going

481
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: to go I think below the headline when it comes

482
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: to all things of this Presidential Commission. It's going to

483
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: be centered a lot around college football, but Olympic sports

484
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: are a big deal for many athletes out there, so

485
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: he's concerned about that. He believes that the NCAA is broken,

486
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: that there needs to be again some sort of federal

487
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: bill that has passed that can help govern this thing,

488
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: maybe give a little bit of wiggle room to the NCAA,

489
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: And it insists with enforcement and whatnot.

490
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: Can we back up for just one second, please please

491
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: to the best of your knowledge, because I have an

492
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: understanding on in my brain that is maybe wrong.

493
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

494
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: A commission's job is what it's to investigate and recommend

495
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 2: to somebody. Right, this is not a governing a commission

496
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: that's going to try to assume power. They're investigating what

497
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: did you said? Fact finding and they're going to make

498
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: recommendations to who exactly who are they to the federal government,

499
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: to the college football playoff, to SEC Well.

500
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: What we've seen happen. Okay, what we've seen happen is

501
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: everybody likes to talk about this because it's popular to

502
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: talk about and nobody actually wants to touch it. You know.

503
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: The NCBA, I think, to their credit, would like to

504
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: do a little bit more. But the NCBLEA is actively

505
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: trying to get as many anti trust exemptions as they

506
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: can because they don't want to get sued. Right, That's

507
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: the position they've found themselves in very recently, and they'd

508
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: like to avoid that under the leadership of Charlie Baker,

509
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: however possible. So that is their role in this. But

510
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to lawmakers, when it comes to people

511
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: in power who could ban together and maybe try to

512
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: launch some sort of bill or legislation or just some

513
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: guidelines for how to go about this. It is not,

514
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: for one reason or another taken a political priority, right,

515
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you put a commission out there something

516
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: like this. I don't know if there is any specified goal.

517
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: I know one way that Matt was thinking about it

518
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: in again his newsletter that he sent out earlier today,

519
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: is that these types of things can sometimes light a

520
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: fire under lawmakers, and you know, depending on who does

521
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: and doesn't endorse it, it can give them a little

522
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: bit of wiggle room to try to get a bill through.

523
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: So if nothing more, maybe it serves as an impetus

524
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: to put some more of a formal structure in place

525
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: to help govern where things are at now with specifically nil.

526
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: So I'd be curious with regard to this commission. I'd

527
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: be curious to know once they do their interviews in

528
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: fact finding missions, I want to know the bullet points

529
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: of like what they consider to be as specific as possible,

530
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: what they consider to be the problems with the sports,

531
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: and what are the priorities in terms of what needs

532
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: to be addressed. Nick Saban has talked about part of

533
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: the reason he got burnt out on coaching at Alabama

534
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 2: and coaching in the modern era of the sport was

535
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing here, We'd meet with a recruit and a

536
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: prospective Crimson Tide player and the first thing they'd want

537
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: to talk about is NIL. And that turned him off

538
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: that kids were looking to college football as a means

539
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: of both improving as players, improving the draft stock, and

540
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: improving their bottom line. And that turned him off in

541
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 2: a way that, again paraphrasing here, might be wrong, that

542
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: he felt like it was the first priority of these

543
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: players was to see how much money they could be paid,

544
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 2: and then that results in players constantly looking around and

545
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: trying to get the best off or even if they're

546
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: on South Carolina or Minnesota or cal or something, that

547
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: their priority is money above all else. And that turned

548
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: Nick Saban off. And maybe I'm wrong in that. So

549
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: I'd like to know what they perceived to be the

550
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: biggest problems in the sport, whether it's you know, the

551
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: transfer portal being like this unregulated mess, whether it's NIL

552
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: being this unregulated mess that they're trying to bring in house.

553
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: Like That's the interesting thing for me, because part of

554
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: the positive thing about where we are as a sport,

555
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: and when people look at the transfer portal and how

556
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: crazy the movement is in the sport, I see a

557
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: lot of the negativity with it. I understand why people

558
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: have a negative viewpoint of and I don't disagree with

559
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: a good chunk of it. But the thing that I

560
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: come back to is the freedom to make bad decisions.

561
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: And you read between the lines with guys like Saban

562
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: or media members who are down on the current state

563
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: of the sport, and it's like, look all these these

564
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: thousands of kids, these thousands of athletes enter the portal,

565
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: and only this percentage ended up on the same level.

566
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: They either downgraded in terms of school size and program

567
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: size or didn't even find a home. And I always

568
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: think to myself, like, you should have the freedom to

569
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: make a bad decision, and because that gives you the

570
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: freedom to make a decision that a lot of people

571
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: are free to make. Ads move about this sport and

572
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: sometimes it's not great. Coaches move about this sport sometimes

573
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: it's not great. Obviously, there are contracts in place, and

574
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: they're penalties for breaking those contracts in place, and so

575
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: I just wonder if this is going to be a

576
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: commission that says we need these guardrails, and players need

577
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 2: to be employees, and we need to get more on

578
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: paper and be more official, or there's going to be

579
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: a general tone of we need to do everything we

580
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 2: can to make it like it was two thousand and

581
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: three again, right, And that's insane.

582
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, you're not going to put the

583
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: genie back in the bottle with respective players, yeah, earning

584
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: endorsement dollars. And to some end, my skeptical brain looks

585
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: at the idea to try and cap in il payments

586
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: or anything like that as kind of a joke in

587
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: and of itself, because guys have been getting paid all along.

588
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: It's just sort of llegal now, even though there aren't

589
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: rules around it. But this has been happening for a

590
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: long time now, it's just out in the open, and

591
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: if you try to put it back in the bottle,

592
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: guys are still going to get paid. I don't think

593
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: that's going to change. No, that's that's we're way past that.

594
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: We're way past that. And I also don't think, given

595
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: the current climate, that there is going to be a

596
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: gigantic push to give players the title of employees. You know,

597
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: I think more likely than not this commission will find

598
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: some middle ground where they're not employees, but they are

599
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: given some perks, you know, as a result of being

600
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: college athletes, whether that's medical care, I you know, I

601
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: don't know, certainly access to nil and some ability to

602
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: make revenue.

603
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: But you're going to need to give players reason to

604
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: sign some kind Oh you.

605
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: Will, you will, you absolutely will? And who's representing those players?

606
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: Like you know? Well, and that's and and so if

607
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: it seems like I am tiptoeing around the answer here, Mike,

608
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: the reason for that is, first off, we don't know

609
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: who else is on the commission. We don't know it's

610
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: going to be serious people.

611
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: Right, it's ingenuous nature of it, or if it's going

612
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 2: to be performative.

613
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: I would like to know who the representatives are, who

614
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: those voices will be that will stepping in and be

615
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: a voice for the players. Right. There's just a lot

616
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: that we don't know about this. I don't let's put

617
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: it this way. I don't think the theory of having

618
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: a commission to study college sports is a bad idea, right,

619
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: I actually think that's a good idea. That's a great thing.

620
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: We should have done this a while ago. What will

621
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: the result of it be. That depends on who is

622
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: on the commission. That depends on, you know, what they

623
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: determine their goal to be as they get a little

624
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: bit deeper into this thing. I do think it would

625
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: be helpful to have some sort of federal legislation to

626
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: help govern this thing right now, because no one's governing

627
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: it at present, so having some structure and some rules

628
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: that everybody has to play by. I know Cody Campbell

629
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: has written about how state laws vary greatly from place

630
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: to place, and that can affect nil in one place

631
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: versus another, and it something that maybe could sit above

632
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: all of that and make it a little bit easier

633
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: to understand, so it's more uniform. I don't see that

634
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: necessarily as bad thing. Devils and details, mind you, right,

635
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: But we'll see what they can work out. You know,

636
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 1: Saban's serious about this. I know again, Cody Campbell's been

637
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: pretty serious about it with what he's put out there.

638
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Whether you agree with him or not, these at least

639
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: to start two guys who are co chairers, we know,

640
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: take this seriously. We'll see what the rest of it

641
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: looks like. But I'm curious as you are to see

642
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: where it goes next.

643
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, sidebar. A couple things about Cody Campbell, whose name

644
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: I had heard before, but not nothing as serious as

645
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: now that his name is more out there because of

646
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: how Texas Tech approached the transfer portal this year and

647
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: how the spending that the Red Raiders and Red Raider

648
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: Collective put forth. Sidebar about him, he's on the younger side. Yes,

649
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: he's of your generation. I think he graduated in four

650
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: to five, so he's both of our generation. But the

651
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: sidebar to the sidebar, well, okay, first off, I like

652
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: that he's on the younger end because if you were

653
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: dealing with somebody who was also seventy sixty, you know,

654
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: somebody a little bit older. As a college football fan,

655
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: you tend to get people who are deeply entrenched in

656
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: the like kids these days kind of attitude, and that's

657
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: not great. So I can appreciate that he's younger. He's

658
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: made Tie hilden Brant money, and he's trying to do

659
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: the best thing possible for college football. The sidebar to

660
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: the sidebar unbelievable dedication to the go tee. Did you

661
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: see have you seen a picture of him? He's not

662
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Futson around, He's not Oh, I'm gonna try it.

663
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no.

664
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: He is a goatee guy, capital G, capital G. This

665
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: is my capital L. Look, it is segull esque and

666
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: he has planted a flag in the ground. So for

667
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: whatever you believe about Cody Campbell and his potential impact

668
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: on the sport, you know that he is going to

669
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 2: take a stand and stick with it. He has grown

670
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: out of go tea. He is locked in. I don't

671
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: know if it was graying and he died a black.

672
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if he just has great genes and

673
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: it is a dark black, you know, deeply thick go tea. No,

674
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: it's it's it's proto day. It's way beyond Ryan Day.

675
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: It's the the immediate thing was more like Segal Chuck

676
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 2: Norris TV karate type of actor.

677
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: Go tee. No, you have to have a certain level

678
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: of intensity to go with something like that.

679
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: This is Cody Campbell, Texas Ranger. Yeah, and so whatever

680
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 2: you can take from that in terms of his priorities

681
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: on a commission, he is ah. He is a man

682
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: dedicated to a cause, and that cause is a ring

683
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: of hair around his mouth.

684
00:35:54,360 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: Ellie writes in are we inadvertently devaluing quote elite teams

685
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: in the transfer portal and nil era context, the discussion

686
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: by just about everyone in the media revolves around how

687
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: super teams i e. Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State don't have

688
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: as much depth as they used to. Therefore there's more parody.

689
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: Parody here being used as a way to imply that

690
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: teams are weaker, thus implying that a pre twelve team

691
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: playoff champion was more of a champion than those that

692
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: come after. Okay, interested to hear your thoughts, I'll prime

693
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: you with one of mine. The fact that Nick Saban

694
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: left the sport when he couldn't hoard all the talent anymore,

695
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: and Kirby Smart can't just steamroll everyone when his four

696
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: stringers aren't more talented than the opponent starters says more

697
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: about those coaches than it does about the rest of

698
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: the sport. So perfect segue talking about Sabin. Now we

699
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: go to Ellie's comment here about Nick Saban, Kirby Smart

700
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: and where college football is at. So are we devaluing

701
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: the better teams?

702
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Dan devaluing saying they're they're not as good because they're

703
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: not as deep, when meanwhile, they're still the ones who

704
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 2: are doing all of the winning.

705
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: Yes, probably a little bit.

706
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: And I think the best of those teams sort of

707
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: helps to shape our perceptions of what, you know, the

708
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: number two team in the country should look like. And

709
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: you know, the best of LSU with Joe Burrow steamrolling

710
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: everybody sixty to ten, or the best of Alabama doing that,

711
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: you know, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty with Tua and Mac Jones,

712
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: the best of Georgia doing that, just completely flattening teams

713
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: with that defense and you know, very efficient offense at

714
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: the very least with Stetson Bennett, and so that it

715
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: colors how we perceive those teams. And I just I

716
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: think they're still dominant. I think they're still the unquestioned

717
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: top of the sport, but it does seem like they're

718
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 2: a little bit more vulnerable because of what other teams

719
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: in their conference can do. And I think also we're

720
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: in an era where all of these coaches are so

721
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 2: burned out on their responsibilities and all of these rosters

722
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: are so different year to year. So if you take

723
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: the dominant teams, like it wasn't Joe Burrows first season

724
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: at quarterback for LSU when he was leading that charge

725
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 2: with all those receivers. Those guys were together for at

726
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: least a couple of years, and it was I think

727
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: it was Joe Brady's first year there. But like the

728
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: talent was in place, and so a lot of these

729
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: places are dealing with shuffling in and out of guys now,

730
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: places like Georgia and Ohio State less so, you know

731
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: Ohio State famously less so not taking it a ton

732
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: of transfers to win the national championship. But I think

733
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: you go back to like USC and all those guys

734
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: are together for a long time. You go back to

735
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: like the Texas team that was steamrolling teams with Vince

736
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: Young and then Colt McCoy, Like they were together for

737
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: a long time, and the job as a head coach

738
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: was just easier back then. And so with a lack

739
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: of continuity on these rosters and the job of a

740
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: head coach changing dramatically these past few years, it and

741
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 2: as mentioned in the email that opponents, are you better

742
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: equipped to not have to deal with oh our secondary

743
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: is a complete disaster. No position group has to be

744
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: a complete disaster anymore if the funding is there. Now

745
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: it's harder with certain position groups like offensive line than others.

746
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: But I think it's just easier to be decent in

747
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, which means that you don't see along

748
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: the crawl Oklahoma fifty six, Kansas three as often because

749
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 2: the floor is so much higher. But to the point

750
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: of this email, I do think we're probably devaluing a

751
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: little bit until we see somebody dethrone this, this group

752
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 2: of a half a dozen schools. That it's just though

753
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: the types of wins and the types of losses might

754
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: look a little bit different, but over the course of

755
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: time and over the course of a larger sample size,

756
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: it's hard to argue that it's just not going to

757
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: be those half dozen schools every year.

758
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to say the exact same thing

759
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: as you. Okay, I think I agree with pretty much

760
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: everything you said. The only point that I would add

761
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: here to what Ellie sent in quote, thus implying a

762
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: pre twelve team playoff champion was more of a champion

763
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: than those that come after. I don't know if I

764
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: have seen many of those implications out there. At least

765
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: that's not the way I'm meeting some of the commentary

766
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: on this. It's just a different system it's just a

767
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: different system, it's a different era altogether. It's a bigger playoff.

768
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: We've got nil running them up the transfer portal obviously.

769
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean we just spent forty five minutes talking about

770
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: the transfer portal. Right, all of these things have had

771
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: a drastic effect on college football. Come back to one

772
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: of my favorite analogies in sports. You can't really compare

773
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: speed skating pre clap skate to postclap skate. Sure, all right,

774
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: it's different. It's a different sport altogether. The sport in

775
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: this case is the same, but the structure around it

776
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: has I think changed dramatically. So I don't make that

777
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: I don't go to that extent with it. I understand where,

778
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: I understand where this comment is coming from, but I'm

779
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 1: just not there.

780
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 2: Those and those teams, by the way, are still deeper.

781
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: Georgia and Ohio State can still weather injuries better than

782
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 2: Michigan State and Arkansas. They can. They just can. That's

783
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: just the reality. And it's always been the reality. The

784
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: deepest teams, whether it was in the Bowl era, whether

785
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: it was in the BCS era, whether it was in

786
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: the four team era, they were the ones not dropping

787
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: that weird November game. They were the ones not dropping

788
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: the conference championship or the semi final matchup. In the

789
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: four team playoff, It's always going to be the deepest

790
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: teams because short of a quarterback disaster, you can just

791
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: weather losing your number one receiver easier, or you're starting

792
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: nose tackle easier. When you recruited and developed that developed

793
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: well there and have the ability to fortify things in

794
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: the portal at a level that most can't, we're gonna lose.

795
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it also works the other way

796
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit sure, in that if

797
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: you are a recruit coming in, if you are good

798
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: enough to be recruited and signed with a place like

799
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: a Georgia like in Ohio state, of course, everybody wants

800
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: to play, but if you don't being at a school

801
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: like that, that tends to give you, I think a

802
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: little bit more value when you can hit the transfer portal. Sure,

803
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: of course. So I think it cuts both ways a

804
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: little bit, and it's not necessarily working against you. If

805
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: you go to one of those schools and don't play

806
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: right away, you can go somewhere else.

807
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the start opens that's the pro

808
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: player element. Of this all is that you can Georgia

809
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: wash your reputation, that you can Michigan wash your reputation,

810
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: and your ability to get a second chance somewhere is

811
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: probably increased because Jim Harbaugh recruited you, or Nick Saban

812
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: recruited you, or Kirby Smart recruited you, or Dan Lanning

813
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: recruited you. That you're able to get that opportunity, whether

814
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: or not you're at actually any good because you didn't

815
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: see the field at one of those places yet to

816
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: be seen.

817
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, an interesting wrinkle, Mike Ritsin. Given FBS playoffs

818
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: continuing to tilt and favor two conferences, do you think

819
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: a group of five eight team playoff would generate more

820
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: money for these conferences? I feel bad for many of

821
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: these schools with a lot of history and scraping for money.

822
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: Talking about an NT tournament here right, Well, sort of.

823
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about teams that don't make the main

824
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 2: college football playoff. But NT is kind of harsh because

825
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: you're talking about teams below like the seventieth best team

826
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: in the country threshold.

827
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: It's a secondary tournament, though it would not be the headline.

828
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: The secondary tournament because of the size of the conference

829
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: is not necessarily because of the quality of the teams.

830
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: If only Boise State is getting in, or only two

831
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 2: Lane or something is getting in, that there might there

832
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: may be other teams that are like, clearly of the

833
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: quality of the college fotball player off, but just didn't

834
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: make it in. I mean, I think it would make

835
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: money is the question?

836
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is a question of how much

837
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: is it worth to a network, because that's where most

838
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: of the money would come from for something like this. Yeah,

839
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: you'd sell tickets, people would go to those games. You'd

840
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: make most of your money off broadcasting rights. I don't

841
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: know enough about G five media rights to know exactly

842
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: how much money this could generate for conferences. I can

843
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: only speak to it as a fan, right, I can

844
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: only speak to it knowing our community. I know our

845
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: community would go crazy for this. I know a lot

846
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: of people in the deep dark corners of the online

847
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: college football universe that would be thrilled if there were

848
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: a G five eighteen playoff to close out a season.

849
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: You and I would watch the hell out of that.

850
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: We'd really be into that. I think that would be fun.

851
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: That is totally separate from the question of money. My

852
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: guess is that on the money side of things, it

853
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: would be tough to make a case for this being

854
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: some sort of financial boon. They would probably make more

855
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: money than they're making now, which is whatever they get

856
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 1: from bowl games, and that's spread out in some cases

857
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: over conferences across many different programs within a school. So

858
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: it would be additive, I guess in that sense. But

859
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: to treat this as any kind of savior for the

860
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: G five level I think would be a bridge too far.

861
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, Okay, a couple different factors. When

862
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 2: is this tournament happening. It's happening after conference championship weekend.

863
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's happening concurrently with the playoffs.

864
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: You're doing it on like Wednesday nights, sort of like maxin. Yeah,

865
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: next question, when does the transfer portal open?

866
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Right?

867
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: Because a TU lane team with Darien Mensa and a

868
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: TU lane team playing in a tournament without Darien Mensa

869
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: who has a however many million dollar offer on the

870
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: table from Duke. This is not to slander mister Mensa.

871
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: It's a very different two lane sperience, and it's a

872
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: very different experience If Ashton genty gets money to go

873
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: to some other school after the regular season. It's a

874
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: very not a not being in the college football Playoff.

875
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: It's a very different experience. If take your pick star player,

876
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: star quarterback, star grouping of players who leave it because

877
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: their coaches just left to take a bigger job. You're

878
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: now asking people to watch a tournament with teams that

879
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: to the detriment of the sport, I would argue, but

880
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: it's an unfortunate reality get plundered. So you're like, I'm

881
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: gonna watch Wazuo against USF.

882
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Cool.

883
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: Also John Mattier is gone and Jake Dickard is gone.

884
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: You're like, I mean, they Wazoo played in a bowl

885
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: against Syracuse, I want to say, and it was.

886
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: Kind of fun.

887
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 2: It was a shootout. They gave up fifty sixty points

888
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: or something into Syracuse. But that's not representative of what

889
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: Wazuo was in twenty twenty four, and so Tulane in

890
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: their bowl game was not necessarily representative. They played Florida,

891
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: I want to say, in their bowl game this year,

892
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: kind of a weird, uneven matchup, but like, that's not

893
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: who tou Lane is. Whereas teams in the College Football Playoff,

894
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: by and large, at least as of now, are representative

895
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: of who they were during the regular season, And so

896
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 2: I just don't know how much money you're gonna get

897
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: behind that kind of tournament, even knowing that football always

898
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: rates on TV. But now you're talking about like a

899
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: football tournament without a lot of key players, like, yeah,

900
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: Duke without Cooper Flag and whoever, I don't know college

901
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: basketball players. There's another guy that's gonna be drafted, I

902
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: think in the top ten from Duke. But like you're

903
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: ultimately watching this too. It's not necessarily because of only

904
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: the players, but like you want a team that's recognizable

905
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: to what you just watched two or three weeks ago.

906
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: And that's the issue right now with something like this.

907
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: I guess unless there was some overwhelming amount of money

908
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: that suddenly appeared, you know, the DraftKings presents, the FanDuel presents,

909
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 2: the whoever presents, and it's a seventy million dollar perse

910
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: or something. I just it's it's hard to understand how

911
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: this could happen given the schedule of the sport and

912
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: the realities of the sport. I don't hate the idea

913
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: of making there be a prize, kind of like they

914
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 2: did in squid game where they hang it above maybe

915
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: like the fifty yard line. I think we've talked about

916
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: this idea before, but you would almost need a carrot

917
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: like that to dangle in front of some of these

918
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: guys who, to your point, maybe have big deals to

919
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: go elsewhere.

920
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: You need some sort of motivation to get them to play.

921
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean, lord knows, there are plenty of it. But

922
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: even still, even it's such a short term carrot. It's

923
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: such a short term carrot. I was gonna say, even

924
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: still with the college football playoff, we've heard all sorts

925
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: of rumors, right, I mean, most recently with Nico. There

926
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: are plenty of other ones out there of guys that

927
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe threaten all holdout, want to get more money,

928
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: maybe don't want to put their body on the line,

929
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: with the respect the NFL Draft coming up, that type of thing,

930
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: it gets prickly. So let's put it this way to

931
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: answer the question. In theory, yes, you and I would

932
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: watch the hell out of it from.

933
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: A money standpoint, no idea.

934
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: And I actually think to your point, the question of

935
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: the transfer portal and who's leaving, who's going, who even

936
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: wants to be there, that's probably the biggest flying the

937
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: ointment here.

938
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: Right, and there's no way for any key player to

939
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 2: not look at this as an NIT type situation. It's

940
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 2: great for fans, it's potentially great for TV, but player

941
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: wise that they've given their all, they went nine to

942
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: three and now they're playing in an alt tournament instead

943
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: of seeing what their market value is at a different

944
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: school or the NFL Draft and risking it all to

945
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: play you know, Toledo. Yeah, no again, I use that term.

946
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: I say Toledo in that tone unintended, unintentionally, but you

947
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: are weighing your future at that point in the season,

948
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: in mid December, and you're saying to yourself, am I

949
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: doing this for me and my family and my future?

950
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: Am I doing this for my school?

951
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: Like?

952
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: Is this a pride point for San Diego State Football

953
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: that we win the Draft Kings Invitational?

954
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. On the CW, let's go a couple

955
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: more here and then maybe we'll save our spillover for

956
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: the bonus episode we'll drop a little later this week.

957
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Efrin writes in how would y'all compare college football fans

958
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: and atmospheres to soccer fans and atmospheres outside the United States?

959
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: Such as Argentina huge Georgia fan, love going to the games,

960
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: but I think often that college football atmospheres could be

961
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 1: a little overrated. Interesting, Okay, so look, I will say,

962
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: full disclosure, I have not been to a soccer match

963
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: outside of the United States.

964
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: I've been to the Boca Junior Stadium in Buenos Aires,

965
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: but I did not go to a match, mostly because

966
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: you're hearing my voice right now. So obviously I didn't

967
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: go because who knows what could have happened.

968
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: That's right. So I can't speak to it first person

969
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: on the ground give you that perspective. I just can't.

970
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: But you know, I care a lot about this and

971
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: this is something this is, this whole soccer thing is

972
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: something that I think I understand the ecosystem of pretty well.

973
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: I have often said on this show that I think

974
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: the major soccer leagues in Europe, South America that is

975
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: probably the closest cousin of college football. Okay, just in

976
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: the passion that emanates from the crowds as you are

977
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: watching those matches at home. It is palpable. I would

978
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: say that in many of these places, soccer football, whatever

979
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: you want to call it, is the main thing. It

980
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: is the main thing, the main thing, the main thing,

981
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: the main thing. So you have pockets in our country

982
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: here that I think treat college football as if it

983
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: were soccer and say, you know someplace in northern England, right,

984
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: but it's not like that all over. There are just

985
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: far too many sports here to distract people or just

986
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean there are distractions in northern England too, there are.

987
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: But in terms of sports, Dan okay, that is the

988
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: main show. College football does not quite have that importance

989
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: across the country like a sport like soccer does, let's

990
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: say in Germany. But there are certainly pockets around the

991
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: country I would say in the South that definitely give

992
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: off those vibes. So to answer the question here, I'd

993
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: stop short of saying it's overrated. I would say it's

994
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: very dependent on where you're at, where you're watching a game.

995
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: If you're watching an SEC game, if you're at LSU

996
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: watching a night game, that's going to give you a

997
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: much louder experience than you would, I think experience if

998
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: you went on out too, like a Manchester United game

999
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: something like that like that, that would be much more

1000
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: comparable than say if you went to a Syracuse game,

1001
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: which is probably a little bit louder the JMA wireless Dome.

1002
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: No offense to the fra annibal, right, but you're just

1003
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: not going to get the same experience. So I think

1004
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 1: it's very dependent on your geography.

1005
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: A few things about college football, because I saw stories

1006
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: about like Ohio State's looking to up. It's you know,

1007
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: after the Oregon game, they're looking to up It's in

1008
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: stateium atmosphere. I can't help but to think from Afar,

1009
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: I'm so willing to be corrected on this, but from Afar,

1010
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: it seems like there is more of a monoculture to

1011
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 2: international football fandom, as you mentioned, like entire towns, you know,

1012
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 2: shutting down where some some towns do shut down, some

1013
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: towns don't. But the I think it's more heterogeneous in America.

1014
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: Like you go to a college football game and you

1015
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: see a lot of what I consider to be like.

1016
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: The vest and Crest crowd.

1017
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, like an older crowd, the crowd that maybe they're

1018
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: retired and they love following their team around. They take

1019
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: great pride in their university and they're wearing that like

1020
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: coaches polo. And it depends on the school. It depends

1021
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: on what the culture of the fandom is at that school,

1022
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: but we're not talking about ninety four percent of the

1023
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: stadium is filled with loud, twenty eight year olds. That

1024
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: there's a student section. It depends what the student culture

1025
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 2: is around college football. It depends if it's a football school.

1026
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: In general, there's basketball schools, there's baseball schools, there's take

1027
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 2: your pick sports schools. Whereas in international soccer, international football,

1028
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: whether it's Argentina, whether it's somewhere in Europe, whether it's wherever,

1029
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: that there does seem to be this full agreement that

1030
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: this place is shutting down for this match culture. And

1031
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: you mentioned Syracuse Basketball school. I'm sure if you are

1032
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: comparing basketball at Syracuse to basketball somewhere internationally, maybe would

1033
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: ring little bit truer. There's no football game that I

1034
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: know of that's shooting off flares and smoke in the

1035
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 2: same way that you're seeing in Turkey and other places.

1036
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: Though we have had mustard bottles, that's something golf balls.

1037
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 2: I just I think it's a different animal, but it's

1038
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: you're right, the closest thing we have. Yeah, there are

1039
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: specific baseball experiences, specific NFL experiences like Lambeau and Buffalo,

1040
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: places like that. That feel collegey because of the volume

1041
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: and craziness of the fans. But there's more in college football. Also,

1042
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: there's just more schools in college football. I know there's

1043
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: a ton of clubs depending on the country, but in

1044
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: terms of the biggest time section of this sport comparatively

1045
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 2: to the Premier League or Bundesliga or whatever, I don't

1046
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: know how many teams are in Bundesliga or LEGA. I

1047
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: assume it's somewhere in the vicinity of like twenty teams

1048
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: twenty teams, Yeah, sixty some odd programs that are of

1049
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: the quote unquote biggest size. And so it's also college

1050
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: football is also sharing room with the better version of

1051
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: the sports, that's right. So that's adding in another thirty two.

1052
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I just spreading there are more distractions.

1053
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: It depends on where you're at. If you're watching a

1054
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: college football game in Philly, they're going to care more

1055
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: about the Eagles. If you're watching a college football game

1056
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: in Syracuse, they are probably going to care more about

1057
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: the Bills or about Sabers or you know, I don't

1058
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: know what the basketball team, the Syracuse basketball team, Eyracuse

1059
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: basketball team, right, Like, there are ample distractions that I

1060
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 1: think could pull your interest away from college football, whereas

1061
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: it's not always really the case in the Premier League,

1062
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: Whereas you said, there's more of a monoculture. The stadiums

1063
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: in college to the question of environment, though, are much

1064
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 1: much bigger. Yeah, I mean the biggest stadium I believe

1065
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: in the Premier League is Old Trafford, which is where

1066
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: a MANU plays, which is about seventy four seventy five thousand.

1067
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: That's about on the level with Spartan Stadium, with Camp

1068
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: Randall Stadium, we have really really I mean Arkansas Stadium

1069
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: I think is around that number as well. These are

1070
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: big stadiums that we have for college football that I

1071
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: think adds a whole element of environment that you would

1072
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: not get if you went to a Premier League game,

1073
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: just because it is so much bigger and so much louder.

1074
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not quite as intense in some cases, but

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Speaker 1: they're just a lot more people that are at those games,

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Speaker 1: and I think that you know, obviously has an effect

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Speaker 1: in the atmosphere as well.

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Speaker 2: So do you have a number one place you'd like

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Speaker 2: to visit?

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00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I would like to experience a European

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Speaker 1: football match, I think to be fun.

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00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 2: Okay, you don't want to go see Boca Juniors and

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00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 2: I think it's river Plate there.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like a blood feud, isn't it. It's

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Speaker 1: a blood feud.

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Speaker 2: I think both of those correct me if I'm wrong.

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00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: Both those organizations are by kind of fan led mafia

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00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: type organizations.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so it's pretty intense.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything quite on that level yet

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Speaker 2: with college football. I'm not putting it past Cody Campbell

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Speaker 2: and his glorious goatee and his ilk.

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00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: But Cody Campbell, Texas Ranger, do you see that thing?

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Speaker 1: If I see it, Oh no, it's great.

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Speaker 2: I don't say I'm not. I'm not ragging on the

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Speaker 2: go tee. I appreciate a goateee. I appreciate dedication to

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Speaker 2: a look, dedication to a look. Mark Davis, Las Vegas

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00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 2: Raiders great by me, dedication to a look. So to

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Speaker 2: answer that, to put a bow on that, it's just

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Speaker 2: a different animal. It's just a different animal outside of

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Speaker 2: the US with international football.

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Speaker 1: But I dig it. I dig it.

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00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: As long as people aren' getting hurt, I think it's

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00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: great by me and we have places in this sport

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00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: that are approaching it relative to other sports in this country.

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00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: But no, not quite there.

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Speaker 1: This go tea looks like you fed it into chat

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Speaker 1: GPT and said, put a go tea on this man.

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Speaker 2: This looks like the go tee grew a Cody Campbell

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Speaker 2: rather than Cody Campbell growing a go tee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we do have we do have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of an announcement. Do we not tie?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. On the heels of that.

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Speaker 2: On the heels of that, I don't know. I mean

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00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: heels is a good word. We are officially banned from

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00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: the North Carolina facility we received word. By the way,

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00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: I think the coo of Bill Belichick Productions not licensed

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00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 2: in any state is competing in the Miss main pageant.

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Speaker 1: Was second. She was second runner up.

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00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: Second runner up, which means third place.

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Speaker 1: I don't I can't do that math. Well, runner up

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Speaker 1: is second place. We know we can agree on that.

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Speaker 1: Second runner up would be third then yeah, yeah, third place.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: It would be shocking at this point if Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: coached more than a year in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That buyout dips down to a million

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Speaker 1: dollars in about two weeks, three weeks or so.

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Speaker 2: His out does not there out no June first. Oh man,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's happening. I'm saying there is a

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Speaker 2: non zero chance he never coaches.

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Speaker 1: A game for North Carolina. I would agree with that,

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Speaker 1: non zero three. That'd be great. Okay, that's all I have. Uh,

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Speaker 1: why don't we save the rest of these questions for

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Speaker 1: our bonus episode. We're ready up here over an hour.

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01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Unless there any that jumped out to you that you

1138
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: want to touch base on. We got some pizza questions here.

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01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: You definitely wrote one in here from my mom that

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Speaker 1: my mom did not send in, so we don't have

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Speaker 1: to answer that. Well, what is one of the pizza questions?

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Speaker 2: I'll do a thirty second pizza answer, Dan, if you

1143
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: were comparing anything to pizza, if the Organ.

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Speaker 1: Ducks were a pizza, what kind of pizza would they be? Next?

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Speaker 1: What kind of pizza is Hugh free kind of pizza

1146
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: is Hugh Freeze? No? Okay, how about this? What kind

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01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: of Hugh Freeze is pizza? What kind of Hugh Freeze?

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01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: So Huphrieeses has different eras. Yeah, so if we can

1149
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: agree that pizza is excellent and great and an added

1150
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: value to our lives.

1151
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: What is the best Hugh Freeze? I can't even get

1152
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: my brain around this question. Do you have an answer?

1153
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, the best version of Hughphreeze is the version of

1154
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 2: Huphrieze that was played by an actor in the blind Side,

1155
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: right before we knew who Huphrieze truly was. There you go,

1156
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: that was the best possible version.

1157
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: When don't we leave it there? Thank you to one

1158
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: and all, hit follow, hit subscribe if you made it

1159
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: this far. Thank you for partaking it our madness. Verballers

1160
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: dot com is where you can go for ad free episodes,

1161
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: bonus content, access to the discord, all that fun stuff.

1162
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: We'd love to have you aboard. Make sure you hit subscribe.

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01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: If you're watching it on YouTube, Oh that'd be great

1164
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: for me. Definitely. Dan's been killing it out there on YouTube.

1165
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: I have a thumbnail ready to go for the next

1166
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: episode this week that we're doing sark Tank next. Yeah,

1167
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: we're doing sark Tank's. It's either an all time higher

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Speaker 2: and all time low.

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01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: We'll see. It's going to be a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you I'm excited about this. You know to

1171
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: some extent what's coming. Have you sent those to Andy?

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: We have Andy, right, Andy Staples.

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01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: We have Andy recording on Wednesday. I'll send him the

1174
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: questions in a little bit.

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01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: Okay, you guys don't know what's coming beyond that, but

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01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: you just I wanted to give you a general sense

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01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: for what to expect so that you're not caught completely off.

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Speaker 2: So the concept for Sark Tank this year is Andy

1179
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: and I are going to be the wealthy Sarks, that's right,

1180
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: the intellectually wealthy Sarks, and you are going to be

1181
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: doing the sole pitching.

1182
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the chillman. Yeah, I'm maybe the

1183
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: pitch man. We've got a bunch of different pitches that

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01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: we're working up.

1185
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: So if you're like Clemson National champion, yeah, that's your pitch,

1186
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: and you're going to explain yourself. Yes, you know, we're

1187
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 2: going to try to poke holes in your sales job

1188
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 2: and decide whether or not we are investing emotional capital

1189
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 2: in your pitch.

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01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: That's right. Last time you and I went back and

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01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: forth the kind of feel little bit, you know, it

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01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: was a proof of concept thing. It went over well. Yeah,

1193
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: and so we've had some time to mow over, a better,

1194
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: better way to go about it, and yeah, I'll have

1195
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: sounds I've got it's it's it's either going to be

1196
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: an all time higher and all time wow, it's one

1197
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: of the others. What we do in the off season. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's leave it there. Thank you for bearing with us here,

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01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: appreciate all of your questions. Head on out timberbowlers dot com.

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01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: We'll answer more of these on the Thursday bonus episode.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we will catch you all soon. Come

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01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: on back for Sark Tank next episode. As always, stay solid, peace,