WEBVTT - The A&G Replay Thursday Hour Four 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:14.200 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:15.680 Washington Broadcast Center. 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.759 Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Jetty and 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:32.200 he Armstrong and Getty Strong and hey we're I'm Strong 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.960 and Getty. We're featuring our podcast One more Thing. Find 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.000 it wherever you find all your podcasts. So this blew 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:38.520 my mind. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.640 The other day, my husband and I went to a 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.839 restaurant and we're sitting there eating and I could just 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.800 overhear the conversation happening next to me. It's a mom 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:48.760 and her daughter who's maybe thirteen. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.040 Are you aby, Are you a person that can tune 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.040 out people next to you or can't tune out people? 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:57.120 I cannot yet nuts. I easily can turn out conversations 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.360 with me, But like I have friends and family members 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:02.560 who can, and you can't talk to them if there's 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.120 someone else talking over there because they can't stop listening 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.120 to them. I guess you're either built that way or 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:07.440 you're not. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.360 I have a very hard time tuning out extraneous audio. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.480 Yeah, same here so and I couldn't tune this out 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.440 at all. And again, she was maybe thirteen, and they're 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.000 talking about something and they weren't agreeing, and this little 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:28.399 girl goes shut up mom, and the mom didn't react 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.480 and they continue to argue, and my jaw dropped because 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:36.880 when I was raised telling my parents to shut up, 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.080 I mean, I've never done that. I have never in 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.080 my life told my mom or dad to shut up 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.760 in a serious manner. There was one time my dad 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.120 and I were joking around and I accidentally went to 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.520 shut up, and I stopped dead in my tracks in 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.800 fear because I was like, I know those words aren't uttered, right, 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.160 But I know parenting is changing generationally? 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:58.720 Is that okay? Now? 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.760 Is telling your parents to shut up like a normal thing? 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.320 Jack? Have your kids ever dared? One kid did once? 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.560 But yeah, no that was not okay. It did not 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.880 go well, okay kids, right? 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.799 I just I don't know if there's if that's a 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:15.919 shift that's happening where the way you talk to your 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.519 parents is changing. But the way that the mom didn't react, 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:19.600 I'm sitting there going. 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.120 What I wouldn't take it in any tone, but was 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.000 the tone kind of like the valley go oh, shut up? No, 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.440 they were they were having a serious call. Wow, shut 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:29.840 your pie hole? Yeah? 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.400 Yeah, so that certainly would not have washed in my house. 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.920 I think one of one of the kids may have 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.440 tried it at one point and it went very poorly. 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.359 But how long is a generation? 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:44.440 They usually say twenty years. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:48.200 Yeah, I think okay, well all right then, well at 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.160 least my oldest kid in your youngest kid. I raised 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:55.240 my kids during the previous generation, which is kind of funny. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.600 Shut up still is not fly with anybody I know. 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:00.359 I don't think. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.360 If it does, you need to take a paring in class. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:10.240 Okay, Like Kevin Hart's got a bit where he's talking 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.680 about how it turns out he was mistaken but he 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.000 thought his kid he was yelling down to his kid 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.760 to do something, and he thought his kid yelled fu 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.160 said the words to him, and he just like gets what. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.800 He's like, what what? What just happened here? And the 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.320 crowd just goes berserk about the idea of a kid 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.160 saying that to their parent, which I was happy to hear, 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.640 but that was just like roundly seen as oh my god, 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.880 a nuclear bomb just went off. That is not okay, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:39.800 how is he going to react to this? It turns 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.520 out he mishurt his kid over something like that. But yeah, no, 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:46.040 shut up is not okay, any but any world I 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:46.360 know of. 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.000 Okay, that brings me some comfort because the kid, the 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.960 girl was similar to your kid's age and I was. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.640 But the fact that the mom, I mean, she just 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.600 took it, oh boy, that I feel bad for both 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:04.960 of them because uh almost guaranteed that's a bad situation 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.800 either happening or going to happen. Yeah. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.920 I remember back when I was raising my kids and 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:11.920 would talk about it on the air, and people would 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:16.200 call in or you know, write in with questions and 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.040 that sort of thing. What I thought, and a number 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:24.080 of times I thought, my first piece of advice is 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:28.960 get a time machine, because you're asking me how do 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.640 I undo fourteen years of getting it wrong? 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.480 And yeah, you know. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.480 It's like after your fifth heart attack saying to your doctor, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.920 you know, well, it's you know what I'm saying. Oh. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.320 I came across a great thing on parenting that I 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.480 was going to edit for the show because it's long, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.280 but I wish, wish, wish I'd read it when my 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:56.600 kids were young. Jonah Goldberg actually wrote it. He's quoting 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:02.599 a bunch of other people, but he's talking about how 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.800 there's a new book by a developmental psychologist who had 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.120 never heard of before, Alison Kropnik. But the name of 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:13.200 the book is The Gardener and the Carpenter, and she 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:16.799 points out that the very word parenting really only emerged 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.280 in the fifties and didn't become popular until the seventies 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:25.960 because until the fifties, people generally lived in their hometown 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:30.160 near all their relatives, and they would just observe and 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.080 everybody's there to help, and you didn't have to learn 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:33.920 about parenting. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:34.960 It was self evident. 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.760 You saw it all the time, and your mentors were 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.400 around you anyway. But then in the seventies, people got 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.159 more isolated, more mobile, they moved away and that sort 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.520 of thing, and you had these parenting experts pop up. 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:55.880 And often with no kids or bad kids. Right, that's right, Yeah, yeah, 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.120 there's plenty of that too. But ms. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.320 Gropnik point says that parents began to think like carpenters, 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.960 who have a clear idea in mind of what they're 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.240 trying to achieve. They look carefully at the materials they 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.200 have to work with, and it's their job to assemble 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.520 those materials into a finished project, the project or product 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.000 that can be judged by everyone against clear standards. Are 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.280 the right angles? Perfect does the door work? Kropnik notes 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.880 that the messiness and veriability are a carpenter's enemies. Precision 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:24.800 and control are her allies. Measure twice, cut once, et cetera, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.040 and her thing. And I've got to admit I don't 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.040 want to get too deep into this because it's incredibly 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.000 serious and will make me very sad. But I was 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.000 influenced by a calmnist to is a so called parenting expert, 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.200 and he was very much of the carpenter's school. And 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.360 when I ran into a kid with special needs, specifically 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.480 on the autism spectrum, that was the last thing I needed. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.800 The last thing I needed was a carpenter's point of 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:51.679 view about parenting. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:52.920 And MS. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.400 Kropnick's thing here and I haven't read the book is 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.480 a better way to think about child wearing is as 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.039 a guard. Your job is to create a protected and 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.640 nurturing space for plants to flourish. It takes work, but 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.520 you don't have to be a perfectionist. Weed the garden, 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.880 water it. Step back and the plants will do their 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:16.720 things unpredictably and often with delightful surprises. And it's not 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.680 like a hippie dippy, anything goes she's talking about weeding 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.200 the garden and doing what needs to be done. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.280 But you're not a carpenter or a gardener. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.800 What exactly is the carpenter's way. I don't know what 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.640 you're talking about as far as the carpenter's view. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.520 Would it be fair to say, it's just like, there's 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.560 one way to do it, one size fits all to 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:37.600 get this to come out right? 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.320 Essentially, Yeah, it's cut and dried. There are a list 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.680 of rules, you follow them, it'll be fine. As opposed 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:48.280 to a garden, where it's much more about nurturing than 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:54.920 forcing that it's absolutely inevitably going to go sideways at times. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.160 If you're a good carpenter, it doesn't go sideways. You 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.720 can make cabinet after cabinet after cabinet, and if a 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:06.080 mistake is or if something goes wrong, that's utterly unacceptable. 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.239 Whereas as a gardener, something's always going to go wrong. 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.000 That's what the job is and you have to adapt. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.120 Yeah. The only thing I could say to your situation 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.960 you overhard, Katie, because I've kind of lived this myself, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:19.800 is I've got one kid that's got all kinds of 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.040 diagnosed things and kinds of medication and all kinds of things. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.000 He has said and done things that if his brother 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.240 did them, it would be the end of the world. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:33.480 But the kid that's got all these various situations, he's 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.360 not always in control of everything he does. And also, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.160 if you react a certain way you're about I mean, 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.360 she might have a kid that if she had said 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.440 anything to that kid at that moment about that, the 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.480 table's getting flipped over. I mean, the police are coming 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.120 that sort of thing. Possibly, I don't. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.040 Even think of that possible circumstance that there could you 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.040 know that all could have had that problem. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.400 Final bit of wisdom learned too late, at least harshly, 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:05.280 is when I first became a youth sports coach, I 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.200 think I went I can't remember where this came from, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.960 but it was pointed out to me that you don't 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.679 coach all of your players the same You coach all 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.680 of your players the way they need to be coached. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.760 Some kids respond well to like the old school disciplined 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.679 to bark at them some because some kids shut down 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:27.679 and you're not going to make them a better player 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.560 a better person doing that. You got to figure out 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.320 how to pick their locks. And parenting's a lot like 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:37.240 that too. If you think it's as mathematical and and 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.439 cut and dried as carpentry, you're going to do it wrong. 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.200 So how did how did the things turn out with 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:47.320 the woman and the kid who said shut up? Did 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.560 they just eventually did they stop talking or did they 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:50.480 eventually get up and leave? 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.680 They went back and forth for like maybe another thirty seconds, 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.040 and then their food came and I checked out of 0:09:58.040 --> 0:09:59.320 that conversation pretty much. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.240 But yeah, it shocked me. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.600 But I like that gardening analogy because that makes more 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.280 sense that you're going to have more room to kind 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.200 of wiggle when things go awry. 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.280 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about that mom 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.439 dealing with her kid, but like, I only think about 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.200 my parenting roughly eighty percent of the time all day long. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.520 So yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.679 Now that's not to say there are no rules in gardening. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.040 For instance, if you feed gatorade to plants, they will die, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:31.160 as outlined hilariously in the classic movie slash documentary Idiocracy. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.880 All right, of course, that it wasn't gatorade. It was 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.559 called what brono brondo or electrolytes. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.760 It's got electrolytes. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.640 Jack Armstrong and Joe the Armstrong and Getty Show. 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.080 Hey we're Armstrong and Getty. We're featuring our podcast one 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:52.559 more thing. 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:53.000 Find it. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.160 We're atver you find all your podcasts. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.080 I came across this parable and I'm not exactly sure 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:02.680 what to think about it. I think I know what 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:07.640 to think, but I thought it was entertaining. The donkey 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:12.200 told the tiger, the grass is blue. The tiger replied, no, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:16.280 the grass is green. The discussion became heated, and the 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.320 two decided to submit the issue to arbitration. So they 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:23.040 approached the lion, who apparently is in charge, of course, 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.440 king of the jungle, King of the beasts. Sure, donkey, 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:31.679 donkeys and lions coabitating, all right, and getting in arguments 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.839 with tigers anyway. As they approached the lion on his throne, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.520 the donkey started screaming. 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.040 Yours your itis. Isn't it true the grass is blue? 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.960 The lion replied, if you believe it is true, the 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.560 grass is blue. The donkey rushed forward and continued, the 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.240 tiger disagrees with me. He contradicts me and annoys me. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.000 They should have thrown it. It's a microaggression. Please please 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.000 punish him. He's triggering me exactly. Yeah, I got to 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:01.000 rewrite this to make it even more sickening. Let's see. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:05.360 The king then declines speech. The tiger will be punished 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.240 with three days of silence. 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.120 Got to keep his giant, beitoothed mouth shut. That's the punish. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.440 The donkey jump with joy and went on his way, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.319 content and repeating, the grass is blue, the grass is blue. 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.800 The tiger asks the lion, your majesty, why have you 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.360 punished me? After all the grass is green. The lion replied, 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.880 you've known and seen that the grass is green. The 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.360 tiger asked, so, why do you punish me. The lion replied, 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.040 that has nothing to do with the question of whether 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.600 the grass is blue or green. The punishment is because 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.880 it is degrading for a brave, intelligent creature like you 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.880 to waste time arguing with an ass and on top 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.360 of that, you came and bothered me with that question 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.960 just to validate something you already knew was true. The 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.560 biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.400 fanatic who doesn't care about the truth or reality, but 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:00.600 only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.520 time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.320 for all the evidence presented to them, do not have 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.000 the ability to understand others who are blinded by ego, hatred, 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.120 and resentment, and the only thing that they want is 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:13.640 to be right, even if they aren't. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.000 So arguing with the. 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:22.319 Actual donkey, the donctivist, if you will, I can. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:27.439 See what I won't, I can say I like it. 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.480 A great example of this is when you have the 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.000 two activist groups screaming at each other in the street 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.360 over the barricades, and the poor cops are rolling their 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.320 eyes thinking, oh my god, I hope I go home 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:39.119 without getting. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:43.920 Hit over the head with something that's stupid. 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.920 But if the donkeys of the world have taken over 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:54.000 your public school, don't you have to As the lion 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.040 point out that they're teaching the lion cubs perverse thing. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.439 Does it ever do any good? I'm not sure it 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.520 ever does any good? Like you, of course it does. Well, 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.520 you have to uh, well, you're not going to convince them. 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.720 You just have more people, I guess. I guess the 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.160 thing would be if you got other people like witnessing this, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.560 and you've got to convince them, but convincing the one 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.679 the one person they're not going to change their mind. Well, right, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:16.240 And that's what. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.720 Bothers me a little bit about this parable, and it's 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:23.400 thought provoking anyway. Is if you go if you as 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:30.000 the tiger, for instance, saying confused adolescent girls should not 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.200 be told they're actually little boys because puberty scary, especially 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:33.760 for girls. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:35.920 If you are the tiger. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.560 Advocating that, and you go to the lion of the electorate, 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.480 that's what you have to do. I mean, if it's 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.880 just a story about animals in the forest at each other, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.600 then it's not a parable. It's just a mildly amusing story. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.640 But if it's a parable, it obviously has. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:56.800 Something to do with as a humankind. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.560 And if you've got the donkey pitching that the grass 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.360 is blow oh and it's like infected the public schools 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.800 and your kids come home with a dad, you're wrong, 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.080 the grass is blue. And my teacher says, you're a 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.600 hater and a racist for saying that you gotta go 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:11.640 to the lion, don't you. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.400 Well, yeah, I suppose, But I think the parable works 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.560 for just individuals which I was picturing. I wasn't picturing 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.080 the public square is just if I recognize the guy 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.840 at the end of the bar is like the donkey 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.240 about some topic, I'm not going to engage them. What's 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.040 the freaking point? 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.680 Oh I agree with that one hundred percent Katie's thoughts 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.040 on the donkeys. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.920 There's no place in time or space where donkeys and 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.840 lions have been in the same orbit, is there unless 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:45.840 the lion's already full, let alone talking donkeys and talking lions. Yeah, 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.560 that's what I was stuck on. Yeah, a donkey lion 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.720 having a conversation. This is baffling, exactly. It's a parable. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:57.040 You know, I'm skull, come on over my head. Yeah, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.640 you're right. It's an individual thing and fair enough and 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.360 very very true. Do not Well, I know some people 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.960 feel it seems like they enjoy it. There's no point 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:13.080 in arguing with some people about some topics. Oh yeah, yeah. 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:14.560 Well, and the fact that a lot of people just 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.600 want to be quote unquote they want to win the argument. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.640 They don't care if they're right. It works both ways too. 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.800 I mean, sometimes I've been I don't think I've ever 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:23.560 said this, but I've been in conversation before where I 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.680 could say, look, I've thought and read about this a lot. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.680 Nothing's gonna change my mind. I mean, you can say 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.040 it louder and slower if you like your opinion, but 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:34.640 it's not going to change my mind. 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:36.880 So or you can hint that I'm an idiot for 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.160 not agreeing with you, but you're really wasting your time 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:46.360 and mine, you donkey. Interestingly enough, Kentucky bluegrass is not 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:46.920 blue either. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.480 It's slightly bluer. I was disappointed in that by a 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.040 kid as a kid, not by a kid as a kid. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.040 When I heard about bluegrass, I thought, this is gonna 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.120 be awesome. My dad got bluegrass for the yard, didn't 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.600 InformATE it. All the other kids are going to be 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.560 so chell us. Yeah, grass is blue, is merged Simpson's hair. 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.040 This is gonna be great. You guys just ruined my dad. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.800 I didn't know this. You didn't, all right? 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.240 No, never been to Kentucky then, huh. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.320 No, I have not, and I have all these dreams. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.200 I just pictured blue lawns everywhere. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.240 I pictured that too. Yeah, I pictured that, and I 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:21.600 just had it in my mind. It looks so fantastic, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:23.520 turned on not to be true. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:30.160 Bluebirds are blue, berries are blue. There's grasses green w. 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.560 T F The Armstrong and Getty Show or your show, 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.160 podcasts and our hot links. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.440 This is the Armstrong and Getty Show featuring our podcast 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.880 one more thing, get it wherever you like to get podcasts. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.159 So we're about to play a cliff of John Cougar 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.480 mellencamp uh talking at a concert. Is this one of 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.800 the concerts that he's doing with Willie Nelson and Bob Dylan? 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.280 Or is he on his own here on his own hair? 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:04.439 So he's touring with I know he's going to be 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.280 I think at the Hollywood Bowl in LA which i'd 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:12.280 like to see melonhead Willie Nelson and the ancient Bob Dylan. 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.159 Of course, Bob Dylan's not ancient compared to Willie Nelson, 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.960 who just turned ninety. All right, it's got to be 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:20.720 something when he sings. I was just reading a set 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.200 list on these concerts, and Willie sings among these classics. Funny, 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.159 how time slips away? Did it slip away? You've been 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.840 on ninety years. I don't think it slipped away. Something 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.000 happened to you when you were thirty, Eh, it was 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:37.879 sixty years ago. It didn't just slip away. But I 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.399 thought the set list would be interesting. It's not really. 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.960 It's pretty much the songs you expect, melonhead sings, pink houses, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:49.320 and you know that sort of stuff. I wonder why 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:50.080 he's touring. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.320 A couple of years ago, he said he had no 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.240 interest in being a jukebox. If people didn't particularly want 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.960 to hear new music or new versions of old songs. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.920 That's fine. He had no interest in being a jukebox. 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.040 He did get a tooth knocked out by his kid, 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.239 like a year or so ago. Did that cause him 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.160 any financial difficulties? He and his son got in a fistfight. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.919 I don't imagine he can afford basic dentistry. 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:12.560 But I don't know. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:17.040 I have no idea of his financial wherewithal. Why is 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.800 WILLI doing it? That's just what he does. I don't 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.840 think he can imagine any other life, right, And like 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.960 Keith Richards the Rolling Stones, why in the world would 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.240 they play more shows, much less launch a giant tour? 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.680 Well, I think Willie, that's what they do. Willie's paying 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:34.720 off his tax debts, right, I. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.479 Don't know if he still has that. But that story 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.440 was thirty years ago, Michael. But he also he travels 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.320 with his sons I've watched some of the videos from 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.159 the bus and his kids are like sixty so, but 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.040 he travels with the sons who are in the band too, 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:47.879 so it's probably probably a pretty good time. I mean, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.360 what would be better than that? Really? Actually, I can't 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:51.960 think of anything that would be better than that. So, 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.720 and then Bob Dylan. I don't know what Bob Dylan's doing. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.960 He is a same man. He doesn't the money or 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:05.440 the acclaim or the maybe he likes hotels, I don't know. 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.840 But John Cougar is on stage for a while, and 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.320 do we need to know anything else about that? Just no, 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.040 he starts, he's just talking to the crowd. Okay, here 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.800 we go, and she went. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.399 It's just like he ready to be a smart like 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.440 from when I'm talking to Jesus. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:31.840 And then he got real quiet. What do you think? 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:40.199 I mean, Hey, Joe, find this guy and then they 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:41.320 see him after the show. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:53.520 Anyway, before I was saludely interrupted, guys, I can solve 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:55.320 this show right now. I'm just doing. 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.160 Since you've been so wonderful, I'm going to cut about 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:02.280 ten songs. 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:17.480 Out of the show. So that's a tape of over 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:25.880 did he actually leave? Wow? And he actually left. That's 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:29.359 not cool. Don't let an a hole and the show. 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:33.439 So you heard that the crowd was entirely on your side, 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:34.640 just one guy. 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:37.520 So it's into a story. Some guy play some music, 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:39.600 which is hurtful if you're telling a story that you 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:42.480