1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Dime, no demo crazy, I word my josh Oa. 2 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, millions of Americans took to the streets 3 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: to protest police violence. They were met with police violence 4 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: on a massive scale. Shootings, vehicle attacks, and assassinations occurred 5 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: alongside these protests, often in defense of the police, and 6 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 2: in total, at least twenty five Americans died. We now 7 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: know that President Trump repeatedly urged General Mark Milly to 8 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: deploy US military forces to crack down violently on demonstrations. 9 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: Milly claims that Trump told him to have his soldiers 10 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: crack skulls, beat the fuck out of and just shoot protesters. 11 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: In the end, we were all lucky. Military leaders, including 12 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: General Milly, resisted to use their men to suppress domestic descent. 13 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: National Guard were called in to police several major cities, 14 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: but in many cases their behavior was tame compared to 15 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: the militarized police, who more reliably shot and beat protesters. 16 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 2: For millions of Americans, twenty twenty was their first exposure 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: to the violence the state will do to avoid change. 18 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: And then Trump lost the election. He and his followers 19 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 2: tried to carry out a coup but failed. For now 20 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: and millions of Americans who'd taken to the streets mostly 21 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: went back to their lives. Some were satisfied justice had 22 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: been done, others were furious to have stopped short of 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: instituting real change. But at the end of the day, 24 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: business went on as usual. A version of normal prevailed. 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, the military of Myanmar, known as 26 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: the Tatmada, overthrew the elected government in a coup. Hundreds 27 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: of thousands of citizens, most of them young, gin z 28 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: and millennial men and women, took to the streets. Police 29 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: responded with tear gas, water cannon, and eventually bullets. The 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 2: international community expressed its horror at the brutality of the 31 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: taut Mada, but that's all they did. Over the course 32 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: of several months, the military pushed protesters mostly out of 33 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: the cities, and a protest movement against the military coup 34 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: turned into a civil war. Now those same protesters, mostly 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: kids who wanted nothing more than a normal life, have 36 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: become revolutionaries. With home made guns, three D printed rockets, 37 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: and stolen rifles, they battled the tot Mada. Some of 38 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: them fight in the jungles, some of them fight in 39 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: the cities, and some of them fight on the internet. 40 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: This is their story. We're sitting in a large suburban 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: home in Mysot, Thailand, a small city on the border 42 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: of Myanmar. The boys singing and playing music around us 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: range in age from seventeen to twenty two. Their existence 44 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: in Thailand is a crime. If they are caught here, 45 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: they'll be forced to cross the border into mi Anmar, 46 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: whose government executed their friends and sold the old organs 47 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: for profit. But tonight they're playing music. We're drinking beer. Later, 48 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: James Stout and I will play pool with them and 49 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: get our asses just catastrophically wrecked. 50 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: We met Andy, aged twenty two and head of the 51 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: family for his Instagram page. That's not his real name, 52 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: but for obvious reasons, we can't identify him. We first 53 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: met when I send him a DM asking if we 54 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 3: could buy one of his photos for our first series 55 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: on Me and Ma. He was a bit skeptical, but 56 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: I tried my best to get him to see we 57 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: just wanted to give him money and promote his work. 58 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: Over the next six months or so, we weren't from 59 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: talking on the phone to messaging almost every day, to 60 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: Robert and I booking tickets to Thailand, to sitting on 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: the top floor of their house. It used to be 62 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: his landlord's office, but now it's home to Andy and 63 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: his partner, Sarah. That's also not her real name, because 64 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: she's a citizen of a Western nation working in Thailand. 65 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: The boys we talk about are the brothers, his cousin 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: and friends. They live at a small building across the garden, 67 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: and in the daytime they sit under a gazeba and 68 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: play their guitars. The first night we met Andy and Sarah, 69 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: we sat behind a bar in an unpaved alleyway. We 70 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: drank beer out of sippy cups because selling beer is 71 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: still banned at the local COVID regulations, but apparently the 72 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: cops don't check sippy cups. We drank far too much, 73 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: in fact, and the next day I work up with 74 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: a headache and a blurry photo of me, Robert and 75 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: Andy engaged in a post which was half hug and 76 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 3: half mutual support structure. We walked home and according to 77 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: my phone, at some point we took photos of a puppy, 78 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: and in a hopefully unrelated incident, at some point I 79 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: started bleeding. It was immediately obvious that Andy needed the 80 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: chance to blow off some steam over the last year. 81 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: In Change, he is chronicled every stage of the coup 82 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: in its aftermath. In early videos, we see joyous protests, 83 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: moments of resistance and splendor in the streets of cities 84 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: like Miawdi. Later we see violence, death, and guerrilla warfare. 85 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: And he didn't have what you would call an easy childhood, 86 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: thanks in part to me and Mar's long history of 87 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: revolutions being crushed by the army. People there, like people everywhere, 88 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: want to be free and determine their own futures. And 89 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 3: so each generation has its own uprising, and each generation 90 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: has its own massacre in very little progress to show 91 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: for it. 92 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 4: I was born in two thousand, so when I was seven, 93 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 4: two thousand and seven, there was a revolution. It's called 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: Saffron revolution. It wasn't it wasn't like this, you know, 95 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: it wasn't like what happened now, But like, there were 96 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 4: a lot of people that were involved in it, a 97 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: lot of people that kill and a lot of people 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 4: left Mearmar and came to the refugee camps in here, 99 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 4: and we were one of the families that came to 100 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 4: the refugee camps. And yeah, in mess Out, Thailand. 101 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy's mother is Buma, the dominant ethnic group in 102 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: me and Maar due to their decades long control of 103 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: the military and government. His father is Krin, the ethnic 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: group once used by the British government as soldiers. Since 105 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: nineteen forty nine, the Karin have fought a war in 106 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: the mountains against the top Mada. Their name is often 107 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: anglicized to be spelled just like the English name Karen, which, 108 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: given present Internet trends, makes explaining the conflict sometimes awkward. 109 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: Andy primarily identifies as and was raised Bama. His family 110 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: left after the Saffron Revolution. They did not flee to 111 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: escape political repression, but because the economy had collapsed. This 112 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: put them in an awkward position in the camps, which 113 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: were filled mostly with Karin people who had fled state violence. 114 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 4: We weren't refugees, right, We were more like, how do 115 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 4: you say, like economic refugees. You know, we go because 116 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 4: not because our village has been burned down and our 117 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 4: family has been killed, you know. So then if we 118 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 4: were to go back to Yangon, we still could find 119 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: a job, we still could fine, you know. But then 120 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 4: for these current people, like this place is the only 121 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: place that they could exist at that moment right and 122 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 4: probably still now too. So yeah, so they said that, 123 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 4: but that education wasn't very good there. The life wasn't good, 124 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't it wasn't. It was very bad. Honestly, 125 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 4: it was very bad. It was a lot of violence, 126 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 4: a lot of hate, a lot of understandable, you know, 127 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: like these people have gone through so much shit and 128 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: so much trauma that and nothing. No one is coming 129 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: there too, but fix that. So they had a lot 130 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: of anger. They had a lot of problems. But my 131 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: mom said, yeah, we're going back because the education he 132 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 4: is very bad. And if you go back to Miami, 133 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: at least, you know, if you do like the thing 134 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 4: that people do, maybe you'll get somewhere. Yeah, in the future. 135 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: Here there's no future, so she said, So we went 136 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: back and I stayed in yourmar for like four years. 137 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: Andy had never been very political. His family was more 138 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: or less neutral, tending to side with the military more 139 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: often than not. Out of a sense of inertia. Me 140 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: and Mar attended to cartwheel between attempts at democracy and 141 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: military dictatorship. So when the world media celebrated their first 142 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: democratic elections in twenty five years in twenty fifteen, Andy 143 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: was not particularly excited. 144 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean we did realize that there was 145 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 4: a change in the country, right because we grew up 146 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 4: in the military to take your ship. But then one 147 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 4: content city takeover took over. There were some changes, like 148 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 4: the phones got cheaper, the internet got cheaper, and if 149 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 4: you look back then you can see big, big changes. 150 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 4: But the thing is it was never real democracy, and 151 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people in the Western countries 152 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: thought that it was democracy when al Sensergi took over. 153 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: Ansongsucci came to prominence during a nineteen eighty eight uprising 154 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: against the military, which ended in bloodshed in the streets 155 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 2: of Yangon, and she'd been a long time democratic activist. 156 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: As Andy noted, westerners celebrated her election as the first 157 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: democratic head of state for me Amar. She even won 158 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: a Nobel Prize. But the agreement her party had made 159 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: with the military gave the generals significant permanent control over 160 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: the government. 161 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 4: But I think most of the people in the country 162 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 4: knew it wasn't real democracy because you know, the military 163 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: always had twenty five percent twenty fight seats in the parliament, 164 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: right like they were always they were in charge of 165 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 4: electricity and all these all these big things, a weapons army, 166 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: like the military itself. They are in charge of all 167 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 4: these things, and they make it very clear. 168 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: And even with a Nobel prize on Soongsuchi did not 169 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: fight to stop the top Mada from pursuing their decades 170 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: long wars against the ethnic armed organizations in the Hills, 171 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: nor did she act to stop their ethnic cleansing of 172 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: the Rohinga people. In fact, she and others in her 173 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: party didn't even call them Rohinga. They called them Bengali 174 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: and insisted they were illegally residing in Myanmar, despite mountains 175 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: of evidence documenting a group by that name living in 176 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: what is now the Rakian State. I think most Americans 177 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: and Westerners in general can empathize with the feeling of 178 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 2: electing someone who promises change and then getting very little 179 00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: of what you'd expected. 180 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 4: I think often Succi used to be this hope that 181 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 4: that was like the opposition against the military. But I 182 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: think when she got power, she couldn't do all the 183 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 4: things that she promised to do, or like you know, 184 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: we looked at her before, we looked at her as something, 185 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: you know, something hope for everyone, you know, for all 186 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 4: the ethnic groups and for everyone in the country. But 187 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 4: then when she became empowered, she mainly focused all these 188 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: changes for the Bama people. Well, you know, the mainland people, 189 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 4: like the military was still fucking killing people and killing 190 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: ethnic groups. They did they do something, you know, like 191 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 4: so then for the ethnic groups, what's the difference? 192 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: And so while Andy was hopeful that his country might 193 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: take a better path, he was not exactly convinced that 194 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: things were going to get better. Conflict within his family 195 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: eventually pushed him to make the decision to leave. 196 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 4: My dad was very abusive, right, he would be the 197 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: shit out of my mouth every day like that. It 198 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: was fine, Like it was fine when we were younger. 199 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: We couldn't do anything, you know, we just kind of 200 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: watched it, right, But the older we got, the more 201 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 4: we involved, the more we try to stop it. But 202 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: then we were fight with him too, you know. And 203 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 4: so at some point it became too much, and so 204 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 4: I left my home, I think in twenty sixteen, just 205 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 4: by myself, and I was like, I've been to Messad, 206 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 4: I will go back here, you know. 207 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: So Andy lived across the border on his own for 208 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: more than five years. He'd fallen in love, gotten a 209 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: home with his own and set himself up in the 210 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: sort of odd jobs you can do without papers or 211 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: legal residency. And that's where things were for him when 212 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: the top MA doc carried out their coup in early 213 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. 214 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty one February. First, I was a messout I 215 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 4: was here and yeah, in the morning, I woke up, 216 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 4: called me my girlfriend and as she said, the military 217 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 4: just did a coop in your country. You should call 218 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 4: your family. 219 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: The military claimed voter fraud and used that is the 220 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 2: pretext to stay in power. It's a situation that should 221 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: be unsettlingly familiar to most of our audience. For a while, 222 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: Safe in Maysat, Andy watched it in horror as he 223 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: texted with friends and family across the border. 224 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 4: The arrested Alsensujin, all the big leaders right at the top. 225 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 4: So we were kind of like, okay, is someone going 226 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 4: to tell us what to do? And especially for us, 227 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 4: we didn't have any experiences. We didn't know anything about 228 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: any of this that I'm talking about right now. I 229 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 4: didn't have any knowledge of that. But yeah, so after 230 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 4: I think six day, the military cut off the internet 231 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 4: like for like two days, and I've lost all contact 232 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: with everyone inside, my family, my friends. And that's the 233 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 4: night I started playing it. Like I started thinking, oh fuck, 234 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 4: I should go back and like and I saw the 235 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 4: protest photos from Yangon. They looked amazing, right, and I'm like, 236 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 4: I'm a photographer. I should be there and you know, 237 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 4: document that. 238 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: While Andy was staring at the protest photos from the 239 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 3: capital of mianmar Napodor, as well as Miawiti and the 240 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: largest city, yangn wondering he should take his camera and 241 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 3: document yet another rising for democracy in his home country, 242 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: a young woman named a Mirror was in the thick 243 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: of those protests and Yang gone when the coup started. 244 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 3: A Mirror Age, seventeen, had just finished high school. She 245 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: was looking forward to university and more pressingly, looking forward 246 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: to playing futsal with her friends. She liked to spend 247 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 3: her day's crafting, she says, making little things to gift 248 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: or to keep, Like every other day. When she woke up, 249 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: she spent ten minutes in medication before facing the world 250 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: on the first of February. Angsam Suki was her hero, 251 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: she says in our interview. Her boyfriend translated for her. 252 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 3: We'll get to their story later, but when the coup began, 253 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: they lived a world apart. They joined the whole generation 254 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: and feeling in rage by Tatmador trying to rip the 255 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: freedom their parents had fought for from them, A mirror 256 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 3: took her rage into the street. Someone gave her a bullhorn. 257 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 5: Because of her voice, and then she became the leader, 258 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 5: you know with the bullhorn. 259 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, what kind of stuff would you say to the 260 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: boat through the bullhorn? 261 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 5: Hello, you don't want you know, she's saying, uh, this 262 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 5: is anfel and then uh, uh that the arresting that 263 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 5: SUCHI is a anfel not fair? 264 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay yeah. 265 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 5: And then and then she believed that, uh, she believed 266 00:14:54,040 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 5: in what San Succhi said, like everything is pausib of all, 267 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 5: and we haven't do anything, we haven't studied yet, and 268 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 5: then but the when we study it and then we 269 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 5: can finish it, so everything is possible. So that's what 270 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 5: she believed in. So she went on the road and 271 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 5: then she brought us. 272 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: Across the city from a mirror. On coup day, Meowk's 273 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: girlfriend woke him up with the news that the government 274 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: they'd voted for had been arrested. We're calling him Milk 275 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 3: here because that's his name. In the revolution, everyone has one. 276 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: A mirror's his baby because she's so young yet so fierce. 277 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: Me if you're wondering, means monkey. These revolutionaries, who have 278 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: risked life and limb for each other, didn't know the 279 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: legal names of the people they call their revolution family 280 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: because it's safer that way. And we don't either. Meowk 281 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: could spend the night. Well, I'll let you hear Harry 282 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: phrased it. 283 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 6: Actually, I would just like our tailing with my a 284 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 6: scare for you know, our tailor, and we were you know, 285 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 6: Neflis and Chare and generary Neflist, and I think it's 286 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 6: a Sunday. I think it's Sunday Nephla and Cha and 287 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 6: we we slid together. 288 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: If you didn't catch that, there were Netflix and chilling. 289 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: You know. 290 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 6: I was literally not wake here but any louder show. 291 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 6: I was so sleep but at the full am there's 292 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 6: a whole phone rings, and I suddenly wake here. There's 293 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 6: a phone ring from my girlfriend, her anti call call 294 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 6: called cald Heart, and she said there's a cool of fish. Oh, 295 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 6: and she wake her and she told me there's a 296 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 6: cool of I didn't you know, I don't believe it. 297 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: I believe it. 298 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 6: I didn't believe it, so other than I chat the 299 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 6: social media, oh shit, or may only actually do this? 300 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 6: I'm so angry and I'm so angry, you know. I 301 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 6: was going down downstairs and I told to my family, 302 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 6: there's a good of everyone's angry and I those stand 303 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 6: the internet. 304 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 7: They cut off. 305 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: The next revolutionary we're going to mean is a fellow 306 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 3: will call doctor Wonder because that's his revolution name. When 307 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 3: the coup started, he was just waking up after a 308 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: twenty four hour shift at the hospital in Yangon where 309 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 3: he worked. Doctors were some of the earliest and most 310 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: visible dissidents in the protests. Their rarity and therefore their 311 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 3: relative value to the regime made them a potent symbol 312 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: of the pro democracy movement. But as Dodor Wonder made 313 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: clear many older medical professionals, we're not at all certain 314 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: that resistance was a right move here. 315 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 8: At the morning, I saw the news that bad news, 316 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 8: really really bad news for us. 317 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 7: It was. 318 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 8: How would I say that they pro you know, yeah, 319 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 8: they broke our suture. 320 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 3: Doctors were some of the earliest, most visible dissidents in 321 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 3: the pro democracy protests. Their rarity and relative value to 322 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: the regime made them a potent symbol of the pro 323 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 3: Demokoks movement, But as doctor Wonder made clear, many older 324 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 3: medical professionals were not at all certain that resistance was 325 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 3: a right move. 326 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 8: On that money. We go back to our our society, 327 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 8: our hospital. We are shen guys, you know, all professors 328 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 8: or concernders did not much interest about that. It was 329 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 8: They told us, you know, whoever rules our camfe, this 330 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 8: is not our business. It is one of our seniors, 331 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 8: doctors from our society for our department pool us like that. 332 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 8: But we reply him, no, it should be the last time. 333 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: If didn't catch that, he said it should be the 334 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: last time, the last time kids had to die in 335 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 3: the streets. They didn't want another generation to have to 336 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 3: go through the same thing. So they got together a proposal, 337 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: a sort of manifesto for peaceful, non violent resistance, and 338 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 3: they submitted it to their seniors. 339 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 8: We negotiated with our ship, you know, the resident our society, 340 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 8: and we discussed about that and we plan to start 341 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 8: with one of our prior movement before save a disagreement. 342 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 8: We have got a red ripon movement because we want 343 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 8: not ripe peacefully on the media. Okay, we started like that, 344 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 8: and then uh, some of our seniors from our society, 345 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 8: they were from Mandally Hospital. Okay, they accept our propose there, Yes, 346 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 8: because our generation has already passed that difficulties before, but 347 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 8: not your generation shouldn't accept that. 348 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 3: Three days before the queue, TK got off a plane 349 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: in San Francisco. He's from me in Ma, but he 350 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: lives in the Bay Area. Now, before you ask, he 351 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: says that the Burmese restaurant there is not as good 352 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: as stuff back home. 353 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 5: It's only three days three days before, three days before 354 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 5: I went back to the to the United States, and 355 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 5: I wish I'm staying a youngle and doing the revolution 356 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 5: and a participate in a everywhere that I can, but 357 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 5: that I couldn't do from the long distance, you know. 358 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 5: So that's all I can do for now. 359 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: TK had just been in me and Ma. He had 360 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: connections to many people on the ground there, his friends 361 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: with it, his family with it. When the government cut 362 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 3: off into the access, he remained able to get good 363 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: international reporting on the situation in his home country. Slowly, 364 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: he found ways to communicate with his friends and a 365 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 3: growing core of the protesters taking to the streets. 366 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 5: I was a keyboard fighter. I have no idea about 367 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 5: the politics. I have no idea about the military stuff. 368 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 3: This is a single most common sentiment we've heard across 369 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 3: all the revolutionaries we've met. None of them considered themselves 370 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: to be very political. Prior to the coup. They started 371 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: marching in the street because a military coup was obviously bad, 372 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 3: but they stayed there because the violence dished out by 373 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: the state was so horrific. Save at their house in Masok. 374 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: We talked to the boys and these brothers and cousins, 375 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: all of whom were living in Napo door when the 376 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: coup kicked off. It didn't take him long to try 377 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: and join them. 378 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 4: Then I went in. I went to Nyawiti, which is 379 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 4: across the border in your marside, and I was there 380 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 4: for a week and it was it was something else, 381 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 4: like I've never been to protests now, I've never been 382 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 4: involved in any of this thing, and I never thought 383 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 4: I would be, you know, like I don't know. I 384 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 4: always thought like I wasn't going to be a part 385 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 4: of it. But when I went there. The first day 386 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 4: I arrived, there were two hundred thousand people on the 387 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 4: street protest and then it's like and this big group 388 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 4: of people walk in streets after street and everyone coming 389 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 4: out of their house and we have this symbol like 390 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 4: three fingers from Hangergain. I think, yeah, yeah, so that's 391 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 4: like our symbol for democracy now or our movement now. 392 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: And everyone come out of their house doing that and 393 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 4: you know, like giving us water, food, everything. It was beautiful, 394 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 4: like it was something else. It was something else. And 395 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 4: then from that day I was like hook. I was like, Okay, 396 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 4: this is what I'm going to do. Now, I'm going 397 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 4: to be a photographer and I'm gonna in this, you know, 398 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 4: and I'm gonna I'm going to take photo of these 399 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 4: people and their stories and I'm gonna share it, and 400 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: that's my part. 401 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 7: That's my rule. 402 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: Soon he found friends among the protesters. Within a few days, 403 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: he was feeling a feeling that so many people felt 404 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty. It's a feeling you felt if you've 405 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,719 Speaker 3: ever been in the thick of a crowd of people 406 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 3: filled with right tous anger and facing down overwhelmed police 407 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 3: or soldiers. It's a sensation. I can't really describe you 408 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: you haven't experienced it, but I can say that there's 409 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 3: no time that I've ever felt more empowered than the 410 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: times I've been crushed shoulder with strangers, toe to toe 411 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: with state violence and watch cops break and retreat. It's incredible. 412 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: It's addictive, and if I'm monaged, it's probably why Robert 413 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 3: and I booked a flight to visit a stranger I've 414 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 3: been dming on the ground. 415 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 4: I think after three days, I met this group of people, 416 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: young people, like students trying to be lawyers and stuff, 417 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 4: and I figured out that they were the ones trying 418 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 4: to organize these big protests, like two hundred people, one 419 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 4: hundred thousand people. They were the ones that's making that happen. 420 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 4: So I started kind of following them, trying to get 421 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 4: close because I wanted to get stories from them. And 422 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: then they became they and they realized what I've been doing. 423 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 4: They've been watching like and so they were like very welcome, 424 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 4: and they took me to this hide out that they 425 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: go to and then we will have discussions and medians 426 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 4: about what we should do the next day. 427 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 7: Da da da da. 428 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 4: But then kind of it's because it's a small town, right. Slowly, 429 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 4: I think police and military started realizing that we are 430 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 4: that group too. 431 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 9: No yeah, demo crazy word my josh oh do. 432 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: So by now you're probably wondering what that cover of dust. 433 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: It's a song that boys learned when we first took 434 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 3: to the streets, but it tells the story of a 435 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 3: previous revolution, one that didn't succeed. 436 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: Can you tell us what that song's about if you 437 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: know what the lyrics are and stuff, and yeah, we 438 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 2: can try. 439 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: I heard the word democracy in there. I'm pretty sure. 440 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like all the lives that were lost. 441 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. 442 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 3: Do people use it for the Spring Revolution as well 443 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 3: as eighty eight? 444 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, because it's the same thing, Tell the world, and 445 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 7: that's the name of the song, Tell the world. 446 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 2: That's cool, Yeah, I tell the world. 447 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 4: So basically the song is like, yeah, they sang it 448 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 4: in the back in the eighty eight and then it's 449 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 4: like we used it quite a lot when than when 450 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 4: we were in the protest too. 451 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 452 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 4: The laris are we'll keep fighting until the end of 453 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 4: the world for the sake of history and revolution in 454 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 4: our blood and of the fallen heroes who fought for 455 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 4: the democracy. Oh, our dearest heroes. This is the lene 456 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 4: of like heroes, like yeah, and yeah, it goes on 457 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 4: and then mhmm hmm. Yeah, basically saying like something like 458 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 4: the history went wrong along the way, but we have 459 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 4: to fix it. Yeah, like the country has shed its blood, 460 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 4: and how could they commit such violence to its own people, 461 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, and yeah, like they say, like the 462 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 4: blood on the rose and the streets are not dried yet. 463 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: And for the sake of these people who die for 464 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 4: the democracy, for fighting for democracy, for the sake of them, 465 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 4: we have to keep fighting basically. Yeah. 466 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 3: Now in their exile, they keep singing it to remember 467 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: the first day of the revolution, when the fights were 468 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 3: in the street, not the jungle, before they lost so 469 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: many of their comrades. 470 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there was a night protest in front 471 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 4: of the police station. 472 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh, this is were singing the song. The sing yeah, 473 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 7: it got very very heated the protest friends were just 474 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 7: talking about occurred in reality, but the song popped up 475 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 7: all across the country. 476 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 6: When you played it in Yang, you will sing it, 477 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 6: yeah they and yeah, though it wasn't one guitar, it 478 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 6: was a whole band. 479 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 4: Well, you have like protesters sitting down and then there's 480 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 4: a group of people who were playing this and repeatedly 481 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 4: there are a bunch of songs that will play and 482 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 4: then there's like words that we will say and yeah, like. 483 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 5: Didn't set Yeah, I. 484 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: Beam gown And you'll see from the footage how it's. 485 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, how do. 486 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 7: It make you feel singing it out? 487 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: It's scary, you know, it's like the song, the song 488 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 4: is very real. So like at first we didn't want 489 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 4: to play the song. It's too dark. It's too it's 490 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 4: too intense, right yeah, like yeah, but it's not like 491 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,959 Speaker 4: the lyars are there, like you can see it. 492 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 8: You know. 493 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 4: It's like because we've been through it too, so it's 494 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 4: very intense. And yeah, I think the first time I 495 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 4: heard it, like I heard the song, I. 496 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 7: Remember that we are feeling of. 497 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I still have it like every time we're saying 498 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 4: it now, Like this is not one of the songs 499 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 4: that we usually sing like, it's not a fun songe. 500 00:28:41,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: Benbud baby, O my de more crazy. 501 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 3: On the next episode, which you'll be able to download tomorrow, 502 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 3: we'll talk about how the Hunter began to clamp down 503 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: on the protests. Now the protesters decided this struggle was 504 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: too important to abandon and decided to fight back. Hi everyone, 505 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: it's James here. I just wanted to note that lots 506 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 3: of the words in this script are Burmese or Karen 507 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: or Thai, and we've made every effort to make sure 508 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: that we pronounce them correctly. But we're sure we've obviously 509 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: made some mistakes along the way. That's not out of 510 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: a lack of respect or out of a lack of 511 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 3: re recording on my part, but we did want to 512 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: note that where we've made a mistake, we're very sorry 513 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 3: for doing so. 514 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: It could Happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 515 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 516 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 3: Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 517 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 3: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 518 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 3: find sources for It could Happen Here, updated monthly at 519 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 3: coolzonmedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.