1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch us 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: On Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app and the Bloomberg 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Business app. 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Or listen on demand wherever you get your podcast. 6 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 3: Congress left town for summer recess, and the President left 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 3: for the beach Rehobeth Beef. We're President Biden, the first lady. 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 3: I guess we're spending the week here after catching some 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 3: rays over the weekend, and that make you want to go. 10 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 3: I kept thinking yesterday, how come I'm not. 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 4: At the beach? 12 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 3: President taking a bike ride today, which will surely be 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 3: the top story on some networks later. But we've got 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 3: our eyes on the campaign trail, where Florida Governor Ronda 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: Santis is resetting the reset with a new focus on 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: the economy, delivering his economic vision in a speech in Rochester, 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: New Hampshire. 18 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 5: A short time ago, American families have been saddled with 19 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 5: weak economic growth, high prices, the quality of life, quality 20 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 5: of life has stagnated. Yet we've seen our national debt explode, 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 5: and the Chinese Communist Party continues to eat this country's 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 5: lunch every single day. 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: He actually took questions from reporters after interesting not only 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: the prepared speech, but also did some Q and A 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: as they try to loosen things up and with us 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: to help make sense of it all. In studio is Bloomberg, 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: Senior national political correspondent Nancy Cook. It's great to see you, Nancy. 28 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: Don't you wish you in Rochester, New Hampshire today? I 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 3: saw him playing with lobsters up there. Just says summer. 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 6: I love's beautiful in the summer. I was in Iowa 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 6: for a good chunk of last week, which is also 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 6: great in the summer. 33 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 3: Yes, as opposed to the middle of January. We won't 34 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: get into that right now, so we've got a couple 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: things to talk about important. Paul out today from the 36 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: New York Times and Siena College as Ron de Santis 37 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: tries to get some traction here in the reset. The 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: headlines has been pretty tough for him lately, laying off 39 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 3: people running into at least near term money troubles, the 40 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: constant criticism about struggling as a retail pitician. Does today's 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: reset help? 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 6: I don't know if it will help. I think it 43 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 6: really remains to be seen. He was under a lot 44 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 6: of pressure from donors and some advisors to basically give 45 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 6: a broader message on the campaign trail. People did not 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 6: want him to keep just talking about Florida and COVID. 47 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 6: They wanted him to speak to a more forward looking 48 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 6: reason why he wanted to be president. And the economy 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 6: is a real weakness for Biden, as we've seen in polling. 50 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 6: You know, a majority of Americans do not approve of 51 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 6: his handling of the economy, and so I think the 52 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 6: dissantis people wanted the governor to talk to that. What 53 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 6: I thought was interesting from the speech was, you know, 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 6: it seemed a little low energy to meet, honestly, and 55 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 6: it also seemed like it was a lot of economic 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 6: policy ideas infused with some of the culture war things, 57 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 6: which seems to be his comfort zone. And from my 58 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 6: reporting last week from talking with people, the real message 59 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 6: was they wanted him to talk about the economy, you know, 60 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 6: move off the culture war, and he didn't totally do that. 61 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 6: He kind of straddled both. And so I'm curious to 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 6: talk to his people and people around him today and 63 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 6: tomorrow and kind of see what people thought of it. 64 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and almost invoking Donald Trump a little bit in 65 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: some of the words that he chose. This is right 66 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 3: at the top of the speech. 67 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 5: Our country is in decline right now. We see it 68 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 5: with military decline, cultural decline, but we also see it 69 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 5: in terms of economic decline. And I'm running for president 70 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 5: because we cannot be satisfied with simply managing this decline 71 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 5: a little bit better than the Democrats. 72 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 3: It seemed like a strange word, a strange line for 73 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 3: him to grab onto since that's a big part of 74 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: the Trump stump speech. He's got videos out there America 75 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: and decline even bring up a soundtrack when he starts 76 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: talking about it. But I guess he's trying to peel 77 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: off Trump voters. 78 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 6: He's trying to peel off Trump voters, and I think 79 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 6: he's trying to do that with a very tough on 80 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 6: China message. You know, he really talked extensively about decoupling 81 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 6: the US economy from China. He talked about, you know, 82 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 6: putting bands on people who make goods with you know, 83 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 6: intellectual property they stole from the US, you know, sort 84 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 6: of really putting more restrictions on China trade. He also 85 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 6: really went after the Federal Reserve, which, as you know, 86 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 6: President former President Donald Trump used to do. He basically 87 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 6: implied that he would replace J. Powell if he became president. J. 88 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 6: Powell's term is not up until May twenty twenty six. 89 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 6: And then it was some more like classic Republican orthodoxy 90 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 6: on the economy, low taxes, less regulation. But I thought 91 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 6: it was an interesting speech. I'll be curious to see 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 6: how Republican voters view it. The challenge for DeSantis is 93 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 6: just that Donald Trump has spent six months bashing him 94 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 6: relentlessly and really consolidating his support. And I thought that 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 6: New York Times Siena poll was just devastating for DeSantis 96 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 6: because it has Trump pulling a fifty seven percent, DeSantis 97 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 6: at seventeen percent, And it basically has Trump, you know, 98 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 6: winning over Republican primary voters in almost every demographic group, 99 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 6: every region, you know, every sort of range of ideology 100 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 6: in the Republican Party. You know, he's doing well with evangelicals, 101 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 6: he's doing well with like the fiscal hawks in New Hampshire. 102 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 6: He really has the market cornered. At this point. 103 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: Twenty percent I believe in this poll say that they 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: would support Donald Trump even if he were found guilty 105 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 3: of committing federal crimes. What the heck do you do 106 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: if you're running against that. 107 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 6: DeSantis just has so much ground to make up. And 108 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 6: I think that people have said for a long time, Oh, 109 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 6: there's so much time, There's so much time. I mean, 110 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 6: I was in Iowa last week. There's really six months 111 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 6: at this point, and Santis is far behind. He has 112 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 6: shown so far that it is hard for him as 113 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 6: a candidate to pivot. You know, when I was in Iowa, 114 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 6: Iowa voters want to ask him questions for instance, you know, 115 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 6: they wanted to ask him when I was there with 116 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 6: him about Ukraine or you know, education. And he still 117 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 6: sort of gives this stump speech even at small venues 118 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 6: in Iowa, where that's not what the Iowa Republican primary 119 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 6: people want. They want to ask him a question and. 120 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 3: Have a conversation. Right boy, This is really something coming 121 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: off of what seems to be a really important weekend, 122 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: and we love to hear more about what you're hearing 123 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: from the DeSantis sphere following the big speech today, Nancy Cook, 124 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: thank you. Find Nancy's right up on the policy speech 125 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 3: on the terminal Bloomberg Senior National political correspondent. Always a 126 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: great pleasure, Nancy, Thanks for the insights, as we had 127 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 3: Andrew Smith to the conversation, the director of the University 128 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 3: of New Hampshire Survey Center UNH Political Science, Professor Andrew's 129 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: great to have you back with us here. Give us 130 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: a sense of the impact, if any, that speech in Rochester, 131 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 3: New Hampshire interesting venue to go talk about the economy, 132 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 3: might have today in the primary fight. 133 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's going to be certainly helpful for 134 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 4: him in New Hampshire because his previous message has not 135 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: been particularly helpful. The choice of Rochester is good. It's 136 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: an old mill town, kind of down on its heels, 137 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 4: a bit blue collar Republicans there, so it's a good 138 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 4: to do this to talk about economic issues. I think 139 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: that's the pivot here that you mentioned. I think is important, 140 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 4: especially in a state like New Hampshire. New Hampshire is 141 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: the least religious state in the country, and talking about 142 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 4: social policy issues just doesn't really resonate with voters here 143 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 4: like it may in some other states. New Hampshire is 144 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 4: a wealthy state, tends to be older, but it's wealthy 145 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: but middle class, and talking about economic issues is far 146 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: more important here. It's been kind of baked into the 147 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: policy discussions in New Hampshire because we don't have either 148 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 4: an income tax or a state or a state sales 149 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 4: tax either. So low taxes and economic issues is a 150 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: standard political fair here. The other thing that I think 151 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 4: that this points out with DeSantis is it's very difficult 152 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 4: to run for president, even if you've been a successful 153 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 4: governor of a large state. You have to understand the 154 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: electorate that you're speaking with. And I think when he 155 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 4: was here earlier in some of the other states like Iowa, 156 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 4: he's speaking as if he were talking to a Florida 157 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 4: electorate rather than the electorates of New Hampshire and or Iowa. 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 4: And that's you got to talk to the local voters, 159 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 4: not that the national voters. 160 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, And he was faulted for doing that, not 161 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: only in New Hampshire, but in Iowa and other early states. 162 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: Talking about Florida. Florida, they were counting, the Trump campaign 163 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: was counting the number of times he would refer to 164 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: his own state. It was a little different today. He 165 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: referred to something they had in common with no sales tax. 166 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: He referred to the live free or die state and 167 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: its similarities to Florida. 168 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 4: Does that resonate with anyone absolutely, that's what he should 169 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 4: have been talking about the first time he came to 170 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: New Hampshire, and he might not be in the position 171 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: that he's in today because you really have to talk 172 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: to the voters and the issues that are important to them. 173 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 4: And you know, the issues about border security, Yeah, it's 174 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 4: something that voters up here care a little bit about, 175 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: but we don't really have that problem, not that many 176 00:08:55,080 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 4: people coming across the border from Canada. Economically is really 177 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 4: the thing that we were concerned about. New Hampshire's got 178 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: to be very expensive place to live. Housing prices or 179 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: through the roof. The economy's hot, but that means that 180 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 4: it's very very hard to find any workers. So economic 181 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 4: issues and inflation area issues or something, they're a big 182 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 4: concern up here. 183 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: You know. 184 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: Nancy mentioned in Iowa how some voters were dissatisfied with 185 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: Ronda Santis's level of engagement. If I can put it 186 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: that way, New Hampshire is no different, if not even 187 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: with even a greater expectation. As they say up there, 188 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 3: if you don't you know what, does it shake everyone's 189 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: hands at least once or meet them four times, depending 190 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: on the person you're talking to. You don't stand a chance. 191 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: Do you hear about that? Is that real or is 192 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: that a you know, immedia thing where people are poking 193 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: fun at Ronda Santis on Twitter. 194 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: There's some truth to it, but I think it's much 195 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 4: more than a myth. And New Hampshire is the place 196 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 4: where you can meet a candidate much easier than any 197 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: other state in the country because it's so small and 198 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: the candidate spend so much time here. But even given that, 199 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 4: only about fifteen percent of New Hampshire primary voters have 200 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 4: ever been in a room with a candidate, so it's 201 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 4: mainly being campaigns are run largely by traditional advertising methods. 202 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 4: But that said, there is an expectation among those people 203 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 4: who do go to those events, who were the political junkies, 204 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 4: that they get an opportunity to ask questions. It's just 205 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 4: what you do. And I can remember back to the 206 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 4: two thousand and eight primary when Rudy Giuliani was campaigning 207 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 4: in New Hampshire and he wouldn't take questions, and he 208 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: had to have his local people basically drag his national 209 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 4: staff aside and say, look, if you do this, you 210 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: know you're on a base plant in a hurry, which 211 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: he did, but he was trying to campaign as if 212 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 4: he were mayor of New York to an electorate that 213 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: didn't have different expectations. So among those people who go 214 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: to these things, they will say that they expect to 215 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 4: be listened to to ask the crazy questions, and it 216 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: actually helps the candidate because then he can understand better here, 217 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 4: she can understand better what the issues are in that 218 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: state in the language that voters use in that state. 219 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: So I think it's really critical to do and he 220 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 4: missed the vote by not doing that earlier. 221 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: Your take on the poll while you're with us here, 222 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 3: I know it's not your own research, but we always 223 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: are curious what you have in mind. From your perspective 224 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: in New Hampshire, New York Times, Siena College, it's not 225 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: good for Ronda Santis. It certainly looks good for Donald 226 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: Trump fifty four percent to Santa seventeen. Everyone else falls 227 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: to three percent or lower after this, And we should 228 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: let everyone know nine hundred and thirty two voters likely 229 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: Republican primary voters July twenty third to twenty seven, this 230 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: is a pretty tough look for Ronda Santis Andrew it. 231 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 4: Is, but I would caution people to pay too much 232 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 4: attention to polling in the summertime before the primaries in 233 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 4: January and February. And I speak of head as a 234 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 4: pollster largely because voters are not that interested in what's 235 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 4: going on with elections right now. It's summertime. They're going 236 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: to the beach, kids are on vacation. You mentioned at 237 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 4: the top of your show, Washington's got tumbleweeds rolling down 238 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: the streets because everybody's packed up and gone for the 239 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 4: summer break, and it's the same thing out here in 240 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 4: the countryside. The other thing I would caution people to 241 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 4: do is to pay attention to the national polling is 242 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 4: not as accurate in predicting who the nominee is going 243 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 4: to be, then is polling in the early states, largely 244 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 4: because there are real campaigns going on in those early states, 245 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 4: whereas nationally there's not. And by the time most people 246 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 4: in the country get to vote, many of the candidates 247 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: that are currently running won't even be on the ballots. 248 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 4: They will dropped out already. So I'm just be a 249 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: little bit cautious. But all that said, all that said, 250 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: it's really problematic for DeSantis because his biggest issue right 251 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: now is among the politicos among people who might endorse him, 252 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 4: people who might volunteer to work for him, and people 253 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 4: who will write checks for him. And anytime you're hearing 254 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 4: bad news like this and you're with this poll and 255 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 4: the campaign is explaining why they still have a chance 256 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 4: or they're still in good position, that means you're explaining. 257 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 4: And any time you're explaining, you're losing in politics. So 258 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 4: it's not good in that sense. 259 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: Got it, Andrew, thank you as always wonderful to have. 260 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 3: Andrew Smith, director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, 261 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 3: would love to talk next time you have local numbers 262 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: as well. Let's assemble the panel for a quick swing 263 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: on this. Everyone's talking about the poll. Rick Davis and 264 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 3: Genie Shanzan no Bloomberg Politics contributors, both polling experts. Rick, 265 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: you know this makes headlines around the country. It's a 266 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: world shaker, first thing in the morning, even the pollster. 267 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: Andrew Smith says, grain of salt. 268 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, grain of salt. I'm for what Andrew Smith said. 269 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 7: You know, look, it's the summertime. People are out there 270 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 7: doing other things. I mean, you call somebody up and say, hey, 271 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 7: do you want to spend the next thirty minutes talking 272 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 7: to a polster click you know. So yeah, I mean that's. 273 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: Actually how it works. 274 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 7: And when you have to call one hundred people to 275 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 7: get one person to give a poll, you wonder who 276 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 7: that person is. It's actually out of one hundred willing 277 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 7: to sit there for thirty minutes. So be careful what 278 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 7: you read. But look, I mean, as part of the 279 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 7: theme that we've seen, which is Trump's got a commanding lead, 280 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 7: there's no poll I've seen it says that that lead 281 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 7: is shrinking. It is a it is a snapshot in time. 282 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 7: But it also shows that Ron de Santis probably has 283 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 7: stopped his bleeding but hasn't righted the ship yet. And 284 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 7: so you look for those kinds of trend lines in 285 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 7: this kind of polling. But you know, when you look 286 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 7: at you know, un hyeah, they've got it a thirteen 287 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 7: point race right, a lot closer there. 288 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: How about Chris Christi at two man, he's he's behind Ramaswami, Haley, 289 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 3: Scott Pence and yes, the other two. We'll get Genie's 290 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 3: take on this next. With a lot more to talk about. 291 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: Following a big weekend on the trail, This is Bloomberg. 292 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch the 293 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: program live weekdays at one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the 294 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: tune in alf Bloomberg dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business App. 295 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: You can also listen live on Amazon Alexa from our 296 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: Play New York station Just Say Alexa Play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 297 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: The Ronda Santis campaign seizes on the economy the big 298 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: speech this morning in Rochester, New Hampshire, as the Florida 299 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: governor tries to show he can talk about more than woke. 300 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: Because this is Bloomberg's sound on. Well, we're watching and listening, 301 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: so you don't have to. Ronda Santis showed up today 302 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: with a ten point plan healthy economy. Ten points. Didn't 303 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: they make fun of Joe Biden's six point plan. It's 304 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: like a few points more than anyway. Ten points. Ready, 305 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: in sixty seconds, here we go. 306 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 8: First, we have. 307 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 5: To restore the economic sovereignty of this country and take 308 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 5: back control of our economy from China. Second thing we 309 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 5: need to do is we must achieve stronger economic growth. 310 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: Third thing we will do we will achieve energy in 311 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 5: dependence by using our domestic resources. It's going to end 312 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 5: the politicization of the economy by decapping things like ESG. 313 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 8: Fifth thing we will do is we will restore merit 314 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 8: and the individual. Six thing, we are going to reform 315 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 8: the education system in this country. 316 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 5: A seven we need a strong and fair labor market. 317 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 4: We have to secure our border. 318 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 5: Eighth, we need to rein in the federal reserve. Number 319 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 5: nine ensure that bad economic actors are held responsible for 320 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 5: their decisions. And finally, number ten, we need to reign 321 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 5: in Congress's spending habits. They are spending us. 322 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 8: In there oblivion. 323 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: All ten points in sixty seconds enough to fix the economy. 324 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 3: Let's reassemble the panel, Rick Davis and Genie Shanza or 325 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: with us Bloomberg Politics contributors. How important was this speech 326 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: today in the future trajectory of the DeSantis campaign? Genie 327 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: knowing that this latest poll out looks a lot like 328 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: the others, he's having a lot of trouble here. Seventeen 329 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 3: points compared to fifty four points for Donald Trump, who 330 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 3: spent the weekend making fun of the governor Flora. 331 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. And you know one thing that stuck 332 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 9: out to me in the poll, and your reiteration of 333 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 9: the ten points of his economic speech was when they 334 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 9: asked GOP primary voters who is who would they describe 335 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 9: as fun Trump fifty four Dsantis sixteen. And that sounds 336 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 9: almost comical, but in all seriousness, that is something that 337 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 9: Donald Trump brings to the table and brings to the campaign. 338 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 9: And DeSantis has simply not been able to resonate with 339 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 9: voters as a retail politician. And it is showing in Iowa, 340 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 9: it's showing in New Hampshire, and it's showing around the country. 341 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 9: The other thing about this poll, and with all the 342 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 9: caveats aside, it's summer, it's you know, before the superseding indictment, 343 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 9: and people aren't paying attention. Look at what the poll 344 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 9: tells us. One third of those magabase will only vote 345 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 9: for Trump, one third are persuadable, and one third are 346 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 9: never Trumpers. But how do you combine the persuadables and 347 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 9: never Trumpers. It's almost impossible because the persuaders are very 348 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 9: much like the magabase in terms of everything they say 349 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 9: to pollsters about America, their optimism about the future, about Trump. 350 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 9: So combining those, I think has been DeSantis's problem. And 351 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 9: you know, he we can criticize him as a candidate. 352 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 6: But he is not. 353 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 9: It's not just because he's a you know, difficult candidate 354 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,959 Speaker 9: on the campaign trailed retail politics aside. It's because anybody 355 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 9: trying to combine those persuadables and the never trumpers is 356 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 9: going to face an uphill battle, and we're seeing that 357 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 9: played out in New Hampshire and Iowa and across the 358 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 9: country for DeSantis and the others. 359 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 3: So does a pivot to the economy help? Rick Davis, 360 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 3: the Lincoln Project just put up an ad last week. 361 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 3: I call it an ad. It's a video that's circulating 362 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 3: on social media that it reminds us how much Ron 363 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 3: DeSantis has enjoyed the term woke and how prominently it's 364 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 3: featured in all of his appearances. This is what it 365 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: sounds like. Well, I could let this thing basically run 366 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 3: for the rest. 367 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: Of the hour. 368 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 3: Whoa wotta whoa. 369 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 10: Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. 370 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 3: Whoa whoa who So when you see a new strategy 371 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: like the one today, Rick, you know it's not only 372 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: because it's the economy stupid. This is a campaign looking 373 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: for a new image. 374 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: No, yeah, they. 375 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 7: Reboot is is included in the policy prescription of what 376 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 7: he says on that campaign tail, not just you know, 377 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 7: cutting staff and showing up to actually answer questions. And 378 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 7: I think this is a great representation of that. You know, 379 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 7: you know, we talked about this just last week that 380 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 7: here we are probably one of the most vulnerable presidents 381 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 7: incumbents running for reelection ever on the economy, and yet 382 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 7: very few of the candidates are even talking about it. 383 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 7: So he jumps in on the bandwagon. And I think, 384 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 7: according to what I read, said woke only once in 385 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 7: this entire speech about the economy. So all those great 386 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 7: things one through ten that you discussed, only one of 387 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 7: them had a woke connection. And I think that reminds 388 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 7: us that we're not as crazy as we think we are. 389 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 7: And like when we talk about like, nobody knows what 390 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 7: woke means, you know, and it is not connecting because 391 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 7: we kept scratching our head for the last four months 392 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 7: about why does he keep talking about this? Now we 393 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 7: know why, because you know, they actually made a bet 394 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 7: in the wrong direction, and now he's making a bet 395 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 7: in a different direction. And I think that's got to 396 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 7: pay off for him or he's going to just start 397 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 7: running out of things to pivot to. 398 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 3: You talk about the fun metric in the pull, Genie, 399 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: he is trying to infuse the humor. 400 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 11: Are you ready to send Joe Biden back to his 401 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 11: basement in Delaware on a permanent vacation. I can promise 402 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 11: you this and my white there will be no cocaine 403 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 11: allowed in the White House. 404 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: Okay, So, Genie, when no one's laughing, do you stop trying? 405 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 9: You know, I think you make him sound more fun 406 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 9: than he is on the stump, Joe Matthew, when you 407 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 9: play those wolkes, you're really helping him out. 408 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 5: You know. 409 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 9: I don't think you can be something that you're not. 410 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 9: And this is the reality for DeSantis. He may be 411 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 9: a very warm guy in person, but he just doesn't 412 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 9: come across as a retail politician. And I think Republican 413 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 9: primary voters, particularly that thirty seven forty percent that is 414 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 9: all in for Trump, they want to be entertained and 415 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 9: he is simply not entertaining them. And again, trying to 416 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 9: combine that other sixty percent or you know, fifty seven 417 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 9: percent is really really tough, and he is struggling with that. 418 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 9: And you know, if you look at his economic message, 419 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 9: one thing that's going to crush him is inflation in Florida. 420 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 9: It's one of the highest in the nations, in the 421 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 9: nation rather and he keeps saying, I want to make 422 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 9: everything Florida. Who wants that inflation across the rest of 423 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 9: the country. He's going to have to contend with that 424 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 9: as well, and that speech isn't helping him much. 425 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: Rick, when you look at this New York Times Siena pole, 426 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: much like all the others, no other candidate other than 427 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: the two people were talking about this hour, DeSantis and 428 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: Trump top three percent. We're going to get into Trump 429 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: a little bit more in depth in a couple of minutes. 430 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: But what does that tell you? This long list of 431 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: names Pat Scott, Haley, Ramaswami, Christy. I could keep going, 432 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: it's just three three three two two, and then you 433 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: end up down at zero. 434 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 7: Yeah again, I mean, I don't think it really matters 435 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 7: on a national poll. A lot of it is just 436 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 7: name I d as As we were talking earlier with that. 437 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 3: Does something need to happen? Do you have to get 438 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 3: into debate season? 439 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: He needed? 440 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: Like, what's the catalyst that breaks somebody out of that pack? 441 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 9: TV? 442 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 7: I think that when you look at even in the 443 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 7: New Hampshire polling. It's all driven by name, I d 444 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 7: I mean right now, Donald Trump is at thirty seven 445 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 7: in the an h Pole, DeSantis at twenty three, Tim 446 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,239 Speaker 7: Scott at eight. He's gotten a lot of attention and 447 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 7: he's running ads. Christy and Bergham both running ads. I mean, 448 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 7: you know, it's advertising is a way to communicate to voters. 449 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 7: You are simply not going to be able to shake 450 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 7: every hand in New Hampshire enough times to convey a message. 451 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 7: And so you got to look where the campaigns are 452 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 7: actually being done and look at the polling within them. 453 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 7: And in New Hampshire it's a thirteen point race, a 454 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 7: fourteen point race, with other candidates actually moving up in 455 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 7: the surveys. So we could talk about these national stars 456 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 7: all day long, but they are literally irrelevant. 457 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 3: So I won't ask you about the fact that Ron 458 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 3: DeSantis is trailing Donald Trump by only twelve points among 459 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 3: white voters with college degrees Genie thirty seven to twenty 460 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: five percent. Is that meaningful to you at the stage. 461 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 9: It's very important, and that's something that Ron DeSantis hasn't 462 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 9: built on, and you know it's something he really should 463 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 9: because that would that bread and butter twenty five percent 464 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 9: in the New York Times poll and plus or mindset 465 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 9: and others that third that are open to a well, 466 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 9: they're never Trumpers and they're open to somebody else. They 467 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 9: have college education, they are more moderate, they're more optimistic 468 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 9: about the future of the Republican Party and the country 469 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 9: than anybody else in these polls. But again, they're not 470 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 9: enough to win. And the more you have this huge 471 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 9: number of people in this race, the better off for Trump. 472 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 9: They've got to try to consolidate this thing behind somebody 473 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 9: who could figure out a way to join the persuadables 474 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 9: and the never Trumpers. But again, a message to appeal 475 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 9: to both of those groups is very, very tough to 476 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 9: think how you would string that together when you look 477 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 9: at the issues these two divergent groups care about. 478 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: I only have thirty seconds here, Rick, because you know 479 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: I have to ask you if you have appeal among 480 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: white collar, college educated voters as a Republican. Do you 481 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 3: have a problem? No, I mean in that you don't 482 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: have the appeal of blue collar. If you don't have 483 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: the appeal blue car could be a bigger problem. 484 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 7: The the college education white voter is now a Democratic 485 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 7: voter by most stretches, and you have to have a 486 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 7: decent base within the blue collar white voter community rural America, 487 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 7: especially males, if you want to compete in this primary. 488 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: All right, we're going to dig in on Trump here 489 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 3: coming up next, as we are still waiting for a 490 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: possible next indictment to drop this week. 491 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Sound On podcast. Catch us 492 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: live weekdays at one Eastern. 493 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: On Bloomberg dot com, the iHeartRadio app, and the Bloomberg 494 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 2: Business App, or listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts. 495 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 3: Donald Trump writes on the Truth Social I assume an 496 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: indictment from deranged Jack Smith and his highly partisan gang 497 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: of thugs, retaining to my peacefully and patriotically speech what 498 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: we'll be coming out any day now as yet another 499 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 3: attempt to cover up all the bad news about bribes, 500 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 3: payoffs and extortion coming from the Biden camp, the former 501 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 3: president making references there I guess to Hunter Biden, of course, 502 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 3: in the news end of last week, more today coming 503 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 3: from the House Oversight Committee, and the expectation that Washington has, 504 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 3: the political world and the legal world has, that Donald 505 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: Trump will be facing another indictment from the Special Council, 506 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: this time the January sixth investigation. He talked about it 507 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 3: over the weekend in Erie, Pennsylvania. 508 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 12: This deranged lunatic named Jack Smith who's been overturned unanimously 509 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 12: by the Supreme Court. He's tried to destroy many lives. 510 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 3: Do you ever see the picture of the guy. It's 511 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 3: like Central casting. 512 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 12: Deranged Jack Smith. And the DOJ will probably bring another. 513 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 4: Case along with the DA. 514 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 12: We have a racist DA in crime ridden in Atlanta. 515 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, news coming as well, likely from Atlanta soon. The 516 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 3: Fulton County District Attorney Fannie willis reaffirming in what was 517 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 3: a local news interview, a local TV interview, that she's 518 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 3: about done the work. Remember she said she would have 519 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: announce sometime in August. 520 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 13: Well, I mean, I've made a commitment to the American people, 521 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 13: but most importantly the citizens of Fulham County, that we 522 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 13: were going to be making some big decisions of regarding 523 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 13: the election investigation, and that I would do that before 524 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 13: September the one of twenty twenty three. And I'm going 525 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 13: to hold true that commitment. The work is accomplished. I 526 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 13: mean we've been working for two and a half years. 527 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 3: Well, today's the last day of July, so here we go. 528 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 3: That was on WXIA TV earlier today, while on CNN 529 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 3: we hear from a former Trump lawyer, Tim Parlanteur, in 530 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 3: this new story about the incredible amount of money that 531 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's Political Action Committee is spending on legal services 532 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: on lawyers. Forty million dollars the new number, according to 533 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 3: The Washington Post. He was asked about whether he had 534 00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: been paid from the pack. 535 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 10: You know, they are paying obviously for the multiple different 536 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 10: legal teams representing President Trump, but also for the people 537 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 10: that are representing all of the witnesses, all of his 538 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 10: employees and associates. So that is something that certainly can 539 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 10: get expensive. And so you know, forty million, that's that's 540 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 10: a big number. 541 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: It's a big number, forty million dollars. And it's why 542 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: a lot of people are suggesting this idea that he's 543 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 3: actually running to just pay for the lawyers to reassemble 544 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: the panel for their take on this. Now, remembering that 545 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's had fifty four percent of this New New 546 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: York Times see in a poll not dented but seemingly 547 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 3: helped by the legal troubles, and pretty much every measure 548 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 3: that we've seen. Genie Shanzano and Rick Davis Bloomberg Politics 549 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: contributors are back with us here. You add all of 550 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 3: this hump Rick, and it looks like it's going to 551 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: be a pretty interesting month here, month of August for 552 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. There's a debate in there somewhere. I think 553 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: it's the twenty third. How does he comport himself as 554 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: a candidate while he's trying to defend him self legally, 555 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 3: knowing all this money's going out the door. 556 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 7: Well, I think his history has told us that he 557 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 7: is who he is. You know, his latest speech in 558 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 7: front of the Lincoln Club in Iowa was unchanged from 559 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 7: the things he says on the stump when he's campaigning, 560 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 7: and so I don't think he's calibrating anything he says 561 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 7: that as it relates to any of these legal challenges. 562 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 7: I mean, he really he goes after the prosecutors, he 563 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 7: goes after the judges, I mean, he goes after the juries. 564 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 7: I mean, it's really quite amazing for a strategy to 565 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 7: show like I am, you know, I'm not vulnerable to 566 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 7: any of these people. It's all a. 567 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: Setup. 568 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 7: But I do think the spending is a real tale 569 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 7: and it's not just the forty million that they have 570 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 7: just indicated, they've already spent sixteen million. You're talking fifty 571 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 7: six million dollars in the first half of this year 572 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 7: spent on legal bills and out of political action funds, 573 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 7: to the point where they're trying to regain some of 574 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 7: their old pack money that they sent to the super 575 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 7: pack and say hey, we got to have that back. 576 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 3: It looks like the bills. 577 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 7: Are going to mount up a little bit more in 578 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 7: the ensuing near term. So I think this is really 579 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 7: a troubling issue for him. And even though the national 580 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 7: polls don't seem to be impacted by some of the 581 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 7: state poles indicate a little softness in his support coming 582 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 7: into Iowa New Hampshire right now. So he's not as 583 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 7: he's not as strong as he was back in April. 584 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 7: And I think that has to have something to do 585 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 7: with the legal cases. 586 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 3: Apparently nothing illegal here, Genie. You can have a political 587 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: pack pay your legal bills all day long, and it 588 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: looks like he's going to be getting a lot more, 589 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 3: and not just for himself but his associates who have 590 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 3: been tied up in this, the employees at mar A 591 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: Lago and so forth. I guess it's good to be 592 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: around Donald Trump if you're being indicted. But this is 593 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: the argument for small donation donors, and maybe it plays 594 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: out in this poll that we discussed Genie, this very 595 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: stubborn base of twenty thirty percent that the president has. 596 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: They're actually glad to send money to support him in 597 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 3: his legal effort, aren't they? 598 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 9: They are? And that was one of the other stunning 599 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 9: things in this poll was when The New York Times 600 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 9: in Sienna asked this magabase if Trump committed crimes, they 601 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 9: couldn't even find. Just two people in the poll that 602 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 9: we're responding said they may want to see more information 603 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 9: about the documents too. Everybody else said nope, no crimes here. 604 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 9: And that's because Donald Trump has done a masterful job 605 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 9: muddying the waters and making himself a victim. What else 606 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 9: did we hear in Erie, Pennsylvania. We heard him talking 607 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 9: about the fact about the Biden crime family, about the 608 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 9: need the politicized doj, about the need to scrub his 609 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 9: own impeachment record, about the need to impeach Donald Trump, 610 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 9: all of which is hitting Kevin McCarthy in the House Republicans, 611 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 9: and that is what he is doing. You know, if 612 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 9: everybody in the world is indicted, and everybody in the 613 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 9: world is corrupt, and everybody is eventually impeached, what difference 614 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 9: does it make. He's just another victim in the swamp 615 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 9: that is DC, and that is resonating with his voters 616 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 9: and making it very very hard for anybody else in 617 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 9: the GOP to break through. 618 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 3: Sure you saw this, I'm guessing you both did in 619 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 3: Iowa over the weekend. I think this is Friday night. 620 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 3: Actually you refer to the Lincoln Dinner wreck, the music 621 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: that he was brought out on stage two. Apparently the 622 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 3: former president's not happy as this tune from Brooks and 623 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 3: Dunn came up. He's introduced there, he is on the 624 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 3: stage and well you can listen. One can end up 625 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 3: going to prison. One just might be president. Was that 626 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 3: on purpose from Iowa's governor, who he doesn't seem to 627 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 3: enjoy very much? 628 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 7: Rick, Yeah, I don't know if it was on purpose. 629 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 7: I do think that they played that song for most, 630 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 7: if not all, the other contenders to Yeah, it was 631 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 7: right where the lyrics fell, though, when he was right 632 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 7: where the lyrics fell, that shows a level of I 633 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 7: think technology superiority in Iowa that it didn't existed, but 634 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 7: it had to make you laugh because there's no better 635 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 7: song for him than that. 636 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 3: Rick Davis and Genie Shanzano with an important moment in Washington. 637 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 3: We don't want you to miss it's coming up next 638 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: as we step away from the partisan vitriol for a moment. 639 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. You're listening to the 640 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound on podcast. Catch the program live weekdays at 641 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: one Eastern on Bloomberg Radio, the tune in app, Bloomberg 642 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: dot Com, and the Bloomberg Business App. You can also 643 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: listen live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station, 644 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: Just Say Alexa played Bloomberg eleven thirty. 645 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 3: Was surrounded, of course by bold faces with big titles 646 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: here in Washington, but few are as cool in my 647 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: opinion as the Keeper of the Mace, something that belongs 648 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: to the assistant sergeant at arms in the house, whose 649 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 3: main duty, as I read in the Hill, is to 650 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 3: protect the mace. This large ornate device forty six inches 651 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 3: tall that opens the house each day and closes it 652 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: each night. The top of the shaft is a silver 653 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: globe upon which sits a solid silver eield. You ever 654 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 3: seen this, Look at Sea Span You'll see what I'm 655 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 3: talking about. Once set, the house is in order. Once lifted, 656 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 3: the house closes. Last week, the House marked the retirement 657 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 3: of Joyce Hamlet, the first African American Keeper of the Mace, 658 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 3: known as Keeper of the Rules to some, as we 659 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: heard from Speaker Kevin McCarthy, and just so. 660 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 14: You know that she has fared to all. It was 661 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 14: just last month. I thought, being speaker, I could have 662 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 14: my own rules, and I brought somebody onto the floor. 663 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 14: I asked the people outside, hey, can I bring somebody 664 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 14: onto the floor. I thought we were out of session, 665 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 14: and they said, you're the speaker, go ahead. So I 666 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 14: walked in those doors, but somebody stopped me. 667 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 13: It was Joyce. 668 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 3: And had a great tribute to great moments on the House floor. 669 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 3: With some final thoughts from our signature panel, Rick Davis 670 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 3: and Jeanie Shanz No, Rick, you know the intricacies of Congress. 671 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 3: It's these esoteric parts of history that make Washington as cool. 672 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 4: As it is. 673 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree. 674 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 7: This is the unsung heroes of Washington who are there 675 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 7: in and out of administrations and leadership positions who keep 676 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 7: the chamber moving. And it's a real tribute to have 677 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 7: someone as cool as her to have controlled the mace 678 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 7: and imposed floor discipline. 679 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 3: I bet Janie you wouldn't mind that job stopping Kevin 680 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 3: McCarthy from coming on the floor with his friends. 681 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh. 682 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 9: I love how she's such a tough rule keeper and 683 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 9: rule watcher. And she has such an American story. She 684 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 9: started in the Capitol cafe with her mother as a 685 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 9: sandwich maker and worked her way up. It's quite an 686 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 9: amazing American story, and what a legacy she's left. 687 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 13: Yeah. 688 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's the kind of stuff you're not going to 689 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 3: hear about. I guess anywhere else The Keeper of the 690 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 3: Mace here on the fastest show in Politics, and we 691 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,439 Speaker 3: salute Joyce Hamlet from here at the Bloomberg Washington Hero. 692 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening to The Sound on podcast. Make sure 693 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 3: to subscribe if you haven't already, at Apple, Spotify and 694 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 3: anywhere else you get your podcasts. 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