WEBVTT - Ep. 727: Backpack Hunting for Alaskan Black Bears 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:13.280 If this is the meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast, you 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:21.919 can't predict anything. The meat Eater Podcast is brought to 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.800 you by First Light. Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.240 deer stands, or scouting for ELK. First Light has performance 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.440 apparel to support every hunter in every environment. Check it 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.320 out at first light dot com. F I R S 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:40.559 T L I t E dot com. Welcome to the 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.240 meat Eater Podcast. Where we're you wound called broadcasting. We're 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:50.000 recording in a airplane hair plane hanger, yeah, next to 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:53.280 a two o six. If you, guys, if this was 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:57.160 a better show, we'd let you look that way. I 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:02.160 argued in setting up that that is is way more 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:07.760 interesting than over here. It's busy. Yeah, well if you could. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.600 If you if they had done it the way I thought, 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.360 and you're watching on on you're watching the video on YouTube, 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.640 you'd be looking at a big old welding project where 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:21.639 there's like a frame of a cub getting all welded together, 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.360 and it's held up in this kind of jig apparatus 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.960 to support the whole thing, and there's all kinds of 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:34.400 tools laying around and just looks awesome. But instead you 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.160 got just a regular old plane. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.039 So pretty cool, pretty cool plane. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:40.880 That's a good looking plane. It's good. There's nothing wrong 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.200 with that plane. It was telling you it's better over 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:42.560 that way. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.760 Coolest part about that plane that people can't see is 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.080 it says forestry on the wing. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:52.480 Okay, uh? Joining it by av so cool? Joining it 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:54.960 by Avanthalker, who's on the show for the second time. Yeah, 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.760 do you remember what do we call the last time 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:57.560 you came on? 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.639 What was the name of it? Yeah, I can't remember. 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:02.520 You did a good job on that one. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:03.160 Oh thanks. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:08.320 I keep wanting to sing my new song about Chili, 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.000 just to show people that it's not like that big 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:13.480 of a deal. What's not that big of a deal, right, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:18.760 it's just writing songs. Whatever. Listen to this one. Chili's 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.480 rifle man, gonna make his final stand. See how far 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:22.959 I got on that. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:25.160 It sounded like he almost forgot the second line. 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.839 The second line was I just repeat the first line. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.520 It was Chili's a rifle man. Chili's a rifle man, Oh, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.359 rifle in his hand, gonna make his final stand. So 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.799 now you're hooked dude, because you're hooked, because you're like, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.360 tell me more about the final stand, but. 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.400 Knowing you probably won't, you probably won't write anything more 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:47.480 to it, I'd say. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:53.240 I'd say it's more of like a marching or hiking cadence. Well, 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.120 we're hiking, fixing the hike when I'm. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.399 Talking about seven days to come off the bats. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:01.600 All, it takes time. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.400 Yeah, so my song, my song is faltering, and uh, 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.520 that's that what I want to do. Though. So we're 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.359 coming from we're in this here aircraft hangar, and we're 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:20.120 coming from uh spending four or five days, six six nights, 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.840 at least six nights six nights doing like a little 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:30.200 backpack based fly in airplane hunt. And when we got 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.160 into it, we we had this argument about I was 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.239 I was taking like I was playing Devil's advocate on 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:41.160 this argument where the guys here were talking about looking 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.640 at packing lists. Okay, someone looking at packing lists, and 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:50.800 I was just, for no reason at all, assuming the 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:55.920 position of someone who didn't think that was constructive that 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.360 you just felt like arguing, Yeah, I feel like arguing nothing. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.240 There's nothing like big to argue about. Rick can't said 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:05.760 anything like totally stupid. 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:07.720 Did you bring your iyem ask? 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:08.520 That's the question. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:09.800 Did you bring your iyem ask? 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.680 No? No, So so I think what I was saying 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.680 was this. I was saying, it's very Subjective's subject highly subjective, 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:17.960 because there's like things that work for people and things 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.560 that don't work for people. And I was saying, how 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.680 I could go online and trick you guys and make 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:24.680 a packing list for something that's coming up and then 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.080 put crazy stuff on it and then laugh when you 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:27.480 brought it. 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.000 Yeah, well I was trying. I was trying to tell 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.120 you that I have the ability in my mind to 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.600 be like that will work for me, that won't type 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:37.840 of thing. 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.080 Oh yeah, that's a good reminder I should bring that. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.840 Yeah it dark, Yeah, that's it. Wasn't thinking that that 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.320 I should probably take that. So that's the attitude with 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:47.400 which you approach. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.280 Pack Yeah, not like if I was watching yours and 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:55.320 you're like, oh, I have a I was gonna, yeah, pushbrew. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.280 Clean out your tent, just like one of those little guys. Nice. 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:01.400 Yeah, totally No, the list and then buried right in 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.400 the middle. List is like a push broom and see 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:05.080 if people bring it. 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.600 See Conrad did not look at the list and he 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.120 used a sock to cover his eyes, which worked out 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:10.560 pretty well. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.280 So what I want to do, I want to do. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:17.880 I want to do a gear thing for a minute. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.360 What I want to do is not what you brought, 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.039 not what you brought. But if everyone can think real quick, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.840 you can raise your hand when you're ready. Not what 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.320 you brought, but like so so backpack hunting in June 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:37.400 in the mountains in east central Alaska, spring bear hunting 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.839 more like early summer bear hunting, because like it starts 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.600 turning the winter again in a couple of months, you know, 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.240 like September it'll snow right well, snow in August. 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.880 It's like early summer in the valley winter up tops. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.920 Not what not, not what you brought that you like? 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.920 What do you what? What? What was the thing you 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.400 wish you had done to different packing? Something you'd change, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:09.400 should have brought like a packing insight. Oh, if you're ready, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.560 because I could go, I had time to know that 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:12.240 I was gonna do this. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.000 I brought really ultra light rain pants. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:16.360 You first give your credentials. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.520 My name is Rick, one of the camera guys. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.760 Well I'll do it better than that. When you're watching 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.360 a nature When you're watching Nature documentary and there's like 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.680 some crazy thing happens, You're like, how in the world 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.440 did they ever film that? Rick did it? No? 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.440 No, I've I work on this show more than I 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:33.600 work on Nature documentary. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.200 But you do work on nature occasionally, don't be mine? 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:36.479 Yeah? 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:37.400 His brother's doctor. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:43.040 Yeah, right, Morgan, this is your podcast. Shout out all 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.840 your your buddies up there. And hell Rick's parents are 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:54.160 very proud of his brother. Yeah, ultra light pants. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:56.520 No, I want to get back to your credentials. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.920 All right, Well, I've been working on this show since 0:06:59.080 --> 0:06:59.799 twenty sixteen. 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.360 Yeah, you've been working with us for a million years. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.599 But sometimes remember when you went to that golf course 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.280 and you had to just wait there forever waiting for 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:07.880 and kill a dump or something. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.920 BBC Natural History Unit shoot, and you just. 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.080 Spent you just spend a boatload of time waiting for 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.520 a bunch of wolves to kill a moose. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:19.960 Yep up for a Disney Plus show with Bertie Gregory. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.920 So yeah, somewhat wildlife wildlife film Polar Bears, which is 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:29.440 cool film Polar Bears. Yeah, yeah, where in the Hudson 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:30.920 Bay south of Churchill. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.400 So like I was saying, yeah, so when you watch 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.320 some animals do something, rick pro filming it. 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.360 Well, or yeah, or I'm filming the guy filming it. 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.920 You know, I'm in the he's in the mix, in 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:40.280 the mix. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:40.920 Yeah. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.720 Okay, Now you wish you'd have broad well I was. 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:46.760 You know, the weight we have to carry just a 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:48.840 lot of batteries, so then you try to like go 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.640 ultra light on everything else. So my rain pants were 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:57.520 very thin, and I brought puffy pants thinking, oh, you know, 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.560 those will keep me warm and we go up high. 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.119 But I think I should have brought thicker rain pants. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.560 It's wind production and not not bothered with the ultra 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.520 light little ones. I mean going through the alders. If 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:13.000 it was wet, it would have been uh, those pants 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:18.000 wouldn't have survived. So no puffies, No puffies, Yeah I 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:23.560 had I had one too many insulation layers. I cannot. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.320 You know, when it's my turn, I'm going to do 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.280 something that I have dialed and something that I don't. 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:29.880 So go ahead and hit something that you think is 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.559 something in your your general program that's dialed. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.719 I think my using I sweat a lot, and so 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.920 it's humid, and I use a synthetic, like that first 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.120 layer synthetic and then the rest of my stuff's wool. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.400 So I think that's the like when you when we hike, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.240 we generally hike super fast and hard. And Steve's still 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.640 wearing like all of his layers and his gloves, and 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.400 I'm in a like a T shirt sweating, and uh 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.040 so I think I got my my bass layer game 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:02.280 suitable for me. 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:04.880 I didn't have you pegged as a sweaty man. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.400 Oh god, just if I just start thinking too hard. 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.240 Breakout and sweat. Yeah, you know, we hike hard and 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.480 we sit hard, right, that's yeah, this is the thing. 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.160 So if you look at if you look at like 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:22.400 ultra light hiking lists, they're all made for hiking, stopping 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:23.079 and going to bed. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:24.720 Yeah, that's a good point. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.920 We we do this thing where we hike really hard 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:28.960 and then we sit in spots that you would never 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.720 camp in because they're cold and they're windy, and you're 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.559 exposed and you're not in your tent and you're not 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.360 in your sleeping bag. So you have to bring more 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.120 insulation layers and than somebody that's just doing like a 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.600 fast through hike situation. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.319 Yeah, you're you're right, you get all worked up and 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.120 you sit and then all of a sudden a while 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:48.600 lay like freezing. My asks. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.760 Yeah, and you're not normally if if it gets cold 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.280 and you're through hiking, you're just you're sleeping in like 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.160 your little comfy sleeping bag. We're just sitting out on 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.199 a knob, last one for a couple hours. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.840 So that's what you got dial Yeah, Okay, who wants 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.640 to go next? We're saving Evan for last. Evan's still 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:15.319 formulating you got one already because he's you're still that 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:20.000 was Chilli, because because Evan's still acclimating to the like 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.040 you're like a horse guy. 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.480 Yeah, I haven't ever backpacked before. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.199 So you're you're still agregating to all the like the 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.160 fancy materials. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.560 Yeah, but it's it's nice. I mean it's like, oh yeah, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.839 it's a lot less stuff to deal with. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.160 Okay, keep stewing on that, Okay, working on it. If 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:36.800 you can put it into like a song for him, 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:42.240 right Limerick, Okay, Chilli, go ahead. 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:42.719 Uh. 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:43.640 I think the. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.679 Oversight the one thing I would have done better, Like 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:46.240 I wasn't. 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:50.439 I kind of knew but didn't really fully grasp like 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:54.080 the fact that you know how it would affect sleeping, 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.480 like with the sun being out. 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:57.400 All night. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.559 Yeah, talk about just how bright it is. Like what 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.120 activities could you do all night whatever you do during 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.680 the day. You could shoot a rifle, yeah, at any 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.360 distance all night. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:11.839 Yeah. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.839 Yeah, if you wanted to, you could go completely. You 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.840 can flip your day completely. Yeah, Like if you wanted 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:23.800 to bear hunt from six pm to you know, four am, 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.480 four am, you know, be no different. You could do 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.440 that and then sleep all during the regular day hours 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:30.199 that light out. 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:30.640 Yeah. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.720 And so with that, like the effect that the sun 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.880 had on the tent, like when we were sleeping, kind 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:38.959 of it wasn't like terrible, but it kind of made 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.160 it like a little warmer than what you would get 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.360 or a lot warmer than what you get if you 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.640 had like actually darkness. And so I found that when 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.160 I'm in my sleeping bag, it got a little humid 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.800 and like my legs would like it'd get kind of 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.480 sticky because it kind of sweat a little bit. So 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.280 if I had to bring something, it would be like 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.000 a pair of like top long Johns, So like my 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:02.960 legs went stick together. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:05.800 And I hate, I absolutely hate that you got sweaty thighs, 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:06.480 is what you're saying. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.920 Yeah, yeah, yes, And I'm a pretty light sleeper and 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.560 anything that's wrong I will wake me up or make 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:14.439 me cause me to move. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.360 So yeah, I probably would have done that. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:18.360 That was my thing. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.080 But on the flip side, the thing that I think 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.320 I did really well was like my sleeping system set 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.640 up was like you know, like had I had one 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.319 of those Nemo accordion pads and then I had a 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:36.400 Nemo or a Thermoresque inflatable pad and that was like 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:41.000 probably and like plus my nice uh sleeping system that 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.440 was pretty dialed. Actually, my sleeping system saved your ass. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:48.640 I'll get through that. Okay, that's my oversight. Save Steve's life. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.760 So I forgot what you got dialed the sleeping my 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.280 sleeping set up, oh yeah, which is what I don't 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.880 have dialed. Yeah, yeah, you know what you're talking about, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.040 Like that feeling you get of everything sticky and I 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.280 just sleeping bag. After a few nights, I wear those. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.400 I sleep in those arrow wool boottop ones boottop ELK 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:10.079 super thin arrow will bootop LJ because it keeps you 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.880 from getting that feeling like you're glued to the fabric. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:13.440 Of your bag. 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:14.079 I hate that. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.400 And Seth that's the way Seth was. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:17.840 Uh. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.240 We shared a tent and he had those on every night. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:25.480 I just get jealous. I also sleep in an arrow 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:26.040 will top. 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.240 Yeah, I guess. Yeah, so I don't stick all gluey 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.040 to my bag right weight top. Same, Thanks for sharing, Chili, 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:37.600 I'm ready, Okay, go ahead. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:44.000 I did not bring gators on this trip, which oversight oversight. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.440 I just forgot him. I so it sounds like someone's 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:48.600 reading a bad packing list. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.280 Well, it was on the packing list. I just I 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.520 actually had him said out and then I just forgot him. 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.640 Gators would have been nice. And another thing I give 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.480 like a right well stream crossings. It rained half the 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.480 time over half the time. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.440 Yeah, there was a forty eight hour rain stretch. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:12.920 Yeah, you're going through thick altars and willows and you 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.320 just end up with wet pants. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:16.840 So I wish I had gators. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:21.200 And then I wish I would have brought the lightweight 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:26.920 at like orange attless gloves for the rain rainy days. Oh, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.640 because I soaked out my leather gloves. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.000 That's a good point, man, that's a good point. Yeah, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.520 I've done that in the pass on rainy, rainy stuff. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.360 But yeah, you'd bring like rubber commercial fishing gloves yep, 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.440 and just be like screw it now, dude. 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.600 Yeah, it's like they're not super heavy to where you're like, 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.680 you know, too hot, but they're you know, just enough 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:52.320 to take the edge off and you just don't get 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:53.000 your gloves wet. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:54.920 When I publish my gear list, that might put that 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:55.280 in there. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.480 Yeah, yeah, we'll read it, Seth, and I'll probably read 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.040 that gear. And the thing that I had dialed was 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.440 my water system. I think tell us more liter and 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:11.400 a half Nalgene bottle and two of those collapsible like 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:17.440 platypus bottles, No big ol' ms R bladder Nope, nope, 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.600 just two of those, and I would stay like the 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.440 stuff that I felt like I needed to stairy pen. 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.400 I would just do that in the in the now gene. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:29.160 And then the two platypus bottles were like my dirty 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.760 water bottles, so I would fill those up and then 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.920 fill up my big bottle and then I would stairy 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.440 pen in that, and then the as I needed I 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:44.440 would take from the platypus bags dump into the Nalgene bottle. 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.040 Then and you're happy with that. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.240 Yeah, But I mean a lot of the stuff we 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:50.720 drank from we didn't didn't need to. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.400 I didn't purify a thing the whole trip. We were 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.280 higher than the beavers. Yeah, and we're just drinking water 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:57.000 out of Glacier. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.240 That stuff that came out of that side drainage that 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.800 we went up that you said was like the the 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:07.880 Grayling stream, Yep, that stuff was just seems so pure. 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:09.120 Yeah, I did. 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.800 The Glacier River had a little bit of like silty 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:12.680 clo oh. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.320 Yeah, I had a lot of that. And you know, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.080 I was bringing this up and I shouldn't even bring 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:17.840 it up because I'm not. I'll bring it up with 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.560 the with the caveat that. I don't don't know if 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.240 this is true. I feel like guys that live up 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.760 here have told me that there's like that it's that 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.720 drinking too much of that, that it's not good to 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.160 drink too much of that glacial till or they just 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.920 don't like it. So when I'm with my brother Danny, 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.720 they'll bring a they'll bring a like a picture like 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.280 a big collapsable dog bowl yep. Like it's like a 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.080 like a duffel bag that's made out of that what 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.680 the hell's the material on? Todd trying to think of 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.200 like a it's like a duffel bag bucket. I don't 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.000 un till you call it just like a waterproof Yeah, 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:00.200 like a waterproof bag bucket. Yeah. And they'll dip will 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.960 dip out of that three four gallons at night and 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.520 then let's settle and then drink it in the morning 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.280 and in the morning when it's not being agitated by 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.879 flow in the morning. It's just like an eighth of 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.920 an inch of just clay, yea laying on the bombs stuff. 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.560 So they'll set it out at night just to let 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.520 it settle, to not drink it. But I feel like 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.640 they were someone was telling me something about that. It's 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.280 not just like that, you shouldn't do that too much. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.080 I could be making that up. So don't stop drinking 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.639 glacial till based on what I'm telling you do your 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:35.159 own reasons. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.399 Maybe maybe looking back, I would I would probably liked 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.080 to have had a filter for that stuff instead of 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:42.560 just to get the till out. Just to get the 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.880 till out, you run through your underwear. Well you had 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:57.280 more till, yeah, but no, that's that's all I got. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.840 Conrad, give your background. You never been on the show before? No, 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:08.400 first time, first time on the Mediator podcast. But Brad 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.200 Brooks has been on the podcast and you're his friend. Yep. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:14.960 I'm an old climbing buddy at Brad Brooks. I grew 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.280 up climbing with him for a number of years. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:17.760 Uh. 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:22.360 Started filming with him some of his hunts a couple 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.560 of years ago, never hunted before. He was like, you 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.440 want to go film some film some hunts and I 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.320 know you can keep up. And I was like, yeah, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.920 let's do it. And UH went out for about a 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:39.639 week and a half on a rifle elk hunt and 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.159 I thought it was just awesome, just running around in 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:43.600 the woods. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:44.480 It's great. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.800 And then had been filming with him for a couple 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.160 of years. UH, and then got connected with you guys 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.960 with through Brad and then oh, so he's not pissed 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.159 at you with us, No, he's I told him, And 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.840 he was like, oh, yeah, that's awesome. He he can 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:00.800 acted me with Sam. 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:01.679 Uh. 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.920 And then my buddy Drew Smith his brothers with with 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.440 Dirt and he connected me with Dirt and had a 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.479 good conversation with him, and and we have a lot 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.080 of the same background. He fought fire. I fought fire. 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.880 We were a year apart at a in Neats Bay 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.960 in Alaska. I worked up there in a hatchery and 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.720 and he was on a boat up there, and so yeah, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.760 here here I am. And it's awesome. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:29.159 I was. 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.480 I kept calling dirt two point zero. Yeah, yeah, Sam 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:37.040 sat a couple of times too. Yeah, that's yeah. And 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.359 he recommended me and I had never met him, so 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:40.080 that's awesome. 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.080 Well that might be like a Garrett did the wedding, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.000 so you know, or or didn't. Sounds like. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.840 We had a thirty minute conversation. He was like, you're like, yeah, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:53.639 I'll put in a good word for you. And I 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.400 was like, man, I've never worked with you. You don't 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:57.840 have to do that, but I really appreciate it. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:19:59.560 I'm I'm glad he did this. But it was a 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:00.199 fun hang out. 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:01.120 Yeah, super fun. 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.800