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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature future production of I Heart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology

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Speaker 1: and evolutionary biology, and today on the show Pit Vipers

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Speaker 1: of America, from rattlesnakes to copper heads, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: some of America's most dangerous cuty noodles. How does their

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Speaker 1: venom work? Do they really want to bite your stinky

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Speaker 1: ole leg? And how should we respect nature's most potent

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Speaker 1: Linguini discover this and more as we answered the age

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Speaker 1: old question why are we injecting horses with snake venom?

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Speaker 1: Joining me today is naturalist Friend to Snakes and co

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Speaker 1: host of the natural science podcast THO We out Here Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Alexei Gruss. Welcome. Yeah, thanks for having me on, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. You know, I'm excited to talk

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Speaker 1: about snakes and pretty much any guy under the sun,

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Speaker 1: including the things that basket. Yes that I love that

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Speaker 1: Turner phrase. I do love snakes, uh, And I think

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Speaker 1: that I like to often point out some snakes on

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Speaker 1: the show that are not venomous, you know, the sort

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Speaker 1: of friendly snakes of the world. But I also think

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Speaker 1: that we should still love and appreciate the more dangerous snakes,

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Speaker 1: the snakes that know you should not cuddle, but they

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Speaker 1: are still wonderful creatures, very amazing. Even their venom is amazing,

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Speaker 1: even though you don't want it inside of you. Really.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, I wanted to talk about pit vipers, and

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Speaker 1: the most famous pit vipers in the US are rattle snakes.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, rattlesnakes. There are thirty six species of rattle

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Speaker 1: snakes and even more subspecies, and they are found all

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Speaker 1: throughout the America's And yes, they are in fact highly venomous,

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Speaker 1: aren't they They are? Yeah, yeah, that venom is is

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Speaker 1: a pretty unique and special feature of these venomous snakes

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Speaker 1: because they're able to inject it through their things, like

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Speaker 1: actually through their teeth, which is pretty spectacular, pretty wild. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This was what was interesting because as I was researching it,

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Speaker 1: I was starting to like write up stuff about like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not like a syringe. It's like the venom runs

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Speaker 1: through a groove, because that is how it is with

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Speaker 1: other venomous species. But you know, with these guys, it

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Speaker 1: is actually like a syringe. They have these hollow things

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Speaker 1: the fing mm hmm, that's right. Yeah, yeah, So what

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Speaker 1: what One thing that I find actually incredibly interesting about

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Speaker 1: it to a gland that or a part that actually

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Speaker 1: activates the venom before it is injected, So that venom

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Speaker 1: that's trapped inside of their head isn't even the full

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Speaker 1: venom that that's injected into their prey. Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing. So even though you know, it is

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Speaker 1: they are using. Despite the fact that they have such

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Speaker 1: a fancy mouth weapon. They really don't want to use

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Speaker 1: it on you, a bumbling human who's stamping around in

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Speaker 1: their environment. They want to use it on their prey,

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Speaker 1: and it is only really a last resort when it

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Speaker 1: comes to humans or predators. Snakes don't really want to

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Speaker 1: waste a lot of energy producing their venom, you know,

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Speaker 1: they want to save it primarily for their food. That's

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Speaker 1: what it's originally adapted for. These snakes use it as

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Speaker 1: a way to subdue prey instead of constricting them and

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Speaker 1: they don't really want to waste it on a person's foot. Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is it's precious material, and they do not want

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Speaker 1: So that rattle is their way of saying, hey, back off,

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Speaker 1: get bitten. Let's just have this situation resolved peacefully so

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Speaker 1: So the rattle unlike a man made rattle where it's

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Speaker 1: like a hollow chamber filled with something inside that rattles around.

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Speaker 1: It's actually a series of hollow chambers made of keratin

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Speaker 1: these hard hollow segments strike one another and produce a

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Speaker 1: the rattling muscles of rattlesnakes are some of the fastest

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. And it seems like every day

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Speaker 1: we discover more animals that biofluoress. Like we just have

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Speaker 1: so many of them biofluoress. But yeah, that is that

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Speaker 1: and they're called pit vipers not because they are vipers

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Speaker 1: them safe from cars, but from snakes, it just isn't.

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00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: It isn't something that we're necessarily aware of all the time. Yeah. Yeah,

428
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: and cats as well, you can also can also be

429
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: a pretty big danger to almost said to dogs, Yes,

430
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: to dogs, but two snakes. Cats are you know, really quick,

431
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: they're very nimble, and they can wear a snake down.

432
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: And while you know a lot of people do enjoy

433
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: seeing a cool video of a cat beating a snake

434
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: in a fight, the reality is that, you know, the

435
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: loss of these snakes again causes a lot of damage.

436
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: And if your cat does get bit, and that's a

437
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: very serious bite for your cat to manage and hopefully

438
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: get home from. Yeah, yeah, I mean keep keep your

439
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: cats and dogs safe and keep wildlife safe by just

440
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: keeping them, uh, you know, keep them separated, like your

441
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: your cat and your dog is uh, they're lovely companions

442
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: to having your home or outside on the leash. But yeah,

443
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: you just want to you want to keep everybody safe,

444
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: and in order to keep yourself safe from rattle snakes,

445
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: you want to read signs and stay on marked paths.

446
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: Snakes rattle snakes are not aggressive. They want to avoid you.

447
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: So if they know there is a well trodden path

448
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: where lots of people use it, they're going to avoid that.

449
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: If you wear boots, thick socks, and long jeans, that

450
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: actually does offer a good amount of protection. Especially thicker jeans.

451
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: I'm not talking like jeggings, um, but but yeah, like

452
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: night good quality thick jeans will actually help prevent some

453
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: of the injection of the venom. Uh. And so if

454
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: you have to walk in an area where you're sort

455
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: of your ankles are brushing up against a lot of brush,

456
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: wearing stuff around your ankles is gonna help protect you. Uh.

457
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: And of course, if you see or hear a rattlesnake,

458
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: do not panic. Just stop where you are, calmly, try

459
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: to locate where the snake is, like, listen for it,

460
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: look around, and once you have located the source of

461
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: the rattle, just very calmly back away because the rattle

462
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: snake is scared of you right now. So if you

463
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: make a sudden like if you run or make a

464
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: sudden movement, it's going to also be startled. Uh. So

465
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: you just want to you know, you see the snake

466
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: and you calmly kind of back away. You don't want

467
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: to startle it. You don't want to run, and if

468
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: you are bitten again, don't panic. Rattlesnake bites are highly

469
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: highly survivable. You will survive if you get treatment. You

470
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: don't want to run, and you want to limit your

471
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: movement because you don't want to like, the more you run,

472
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: the more you move around, like the more your heartbeats, uh,

473
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: it'll kind of more quickly distribute the vino. So if

474
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: you call emergency services, see if they can come pick

475
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: you up where you are, and then just kind of

476
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: sit down and rest, of course away from the snake,

477
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: but you know, just kind of try. I know, it's

478
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: like you're probably it's easier said than done to not panic,

479
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: but you just want to kind of sit and rest

480
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: um if you're somewhere where you can't get picked up

481
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: and taken to a hospital. But it's also incredibly important

482
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: to call poison control. That's something that not a lot

483
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: of people talk about, and the reason why is that

484
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: poison control will be your advocate when you're speaking to

485
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: a medical professional. They are the ones that know a

486
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: lot about venom. Uh, they know a lot about toxification,

487
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: and they will advise your doctor on how much anti

488
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: venom to give you. And that's really important because you know,

489
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: if you're given too little, you may you may experience

490
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: invenomation effects later on from it not being neutralized. So

491
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: you definitely want to speak to poison Control um and

492
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: give them a call. If you've got an iPhone, you know,

493
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: hit Syrie and have her called him for you. But

494
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: it's incredibly important to get ahold of poison control. That

495
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: is really good advice. Yes, uh. And there are some

496
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: kinds of like old wives tales about things you should

497
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: do when you get bitten by the should absolutely not do.

498
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: Maybe the most famous one is sucking venom out of

499
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: the wound. Do not do that. It's not going to

500
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: help you. And now you've just got venom in your mouth,

501
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: right right, because yeah, the moment you're bitten, that venom

502
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: is most of it is left the area in best

503
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: case scenario, if you just as you said, if it's

504
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: in the area, now it's in your mouth, yeah, and

505
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: you can absorb a lot through your gums or any

506
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: small nicks or cuts in your in that gum surface. Yes,

507
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: you've got you might swallow something, which is also bad.

508
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: You've got mucus membranes all over your mouth and down

509
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: your throat, and you don't want venom in there. You

510
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: also do not want to apply a tourniquet. While it's

511
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: true you don't want the venom to quickly like you

512
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: don't want to pump your heart really fast and quickly

513
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: get the venom going, you also don't want to stop

514
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: the flow of blood because you do want some delution

515
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: of the venom. If you apply a tourniquet, it just

516
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: means that the venom is going to kill the cells

517
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: in that area, and much more quickly because it's in

518
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: such higher concentrations. So you may actually need amputation if

519
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: you apply a tourniquet, whereas if you do not do that,

520
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: you just kind of calmly wait for emergency services and

521
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: poison control. You may, after you get treatment, have no

522
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: lasting ill effects. Yeah yeah. And then on top of that,

523
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: eventually you have to take the tourniquit off. And what

524
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: can happen is all of that venom can exit your

525
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: arm or your leg at the same time, so that

526
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: it can it can provide an even bigger effect on

527
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: your body right after the tourniquets pulled off. So yeah, yeah,

528
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: definitely avoid the tourniquet as much as we all want

529
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: to be arnold, you know, putting that tourniquet on with

530
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: like putting the belt around our leg and tugging it

531
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: with our teeth. Like as cool as it looks, it's

532
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: not a it's not a good vibe when you're actually

533
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: out there having having to manage it. If you do

534
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: have a bandage on you, if you have something like

535
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: a compression bandage, that actually can be a good option

536
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: for some snake bites. And when I say compression bandage,

537
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean wrapping it around your entire arm or down

538
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: your entire leg evenly, providing even pressure, and that can

539
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: reduce the swelling and inflammation that can happen. But again,

540
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: do not cut off circulation. Rap it sort of like

541
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: you have an injured ankle, you know, that same type

542
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: of wovenly across the whole lamb. Yeah, like like compression

543
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: socks on an airplane level. You don't want you don't

544
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: want to cut off blood circulation. Ye, yeah, yeah, so

545
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't want to panic. Very very few

546
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: people actually die from rattlesnake bites in the US, even

547
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: though a lot of people are accidentally bitten. So with

548
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: treatment you will be fine. And by relaxing by and

549
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: certainly by not attacking the snake, you're much less likely

550
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: to actually get So it is, it is something that

551
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: is you can cope with. We have so many ways

552
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: to protect against snake bites and to treat them once

553
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: you've gotten it, so it is not a reason to

554
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: panic and like cut your arm off. Don't do that, Katie, Katie,

555
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: can I share with you one of the wildest ones

556
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I've ever heard of? Yes? So, okay, so I didn't.

557
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: I'd never heard about this growing up. I grew up

558
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: in central California, lived in the Midwest for a while,

559
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: lived down in New Orleans now, but I had never

560
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: heard about this until I took a snake corpse. Apparently

561
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: some people you know, grew up under the thought that

562
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: you can actually reduce or treat a snake bite by

563
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: applying an electrical current, and that one, that one is

564
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: incredibly why old to me. So if you live in

565
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: an area where that's you know, that's like the zeitgeist,

566
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: are like the thing people say you should do in

567
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: response to a snake by please don't electrocute yourself trying

568
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: to like neutralize the venom. Oh my gosh, don't do that.

569
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: It's just gonna hurt you. I love all of these

570
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: I love, and by saying I love, I don't actually

571
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: love them all these like sort of these myths or

572
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: old wives tales about treating things like jellyfish stings where

573
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, just pee on it, and it's like

574
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 1: that that's gonna make it. It's gonna not only is

575
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: it probably gonna make it worse, make those like little

576
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: neuro toxins activate more. It's just now you've got you're

577
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: covered in pete like what yeah, Like you don't need

578
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: to go hot wire a car and like fry your

579
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: arm after getting bitten by a snake, like just chills,

580
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: like wait for the doctor to come. Chill and I

581
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: mean once you have called emergency services and they're on

582
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: their way, then you chill. Just relax and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

583
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: you do want treatment though, because rattlesnake venom does do

584
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: a doozy when left to its own devices. It depends

585
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: on the species of rattlesnake, of course, but their venom

586
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: is often highly potent. In the most basic sense. The

587
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: way that venom and toxins work in general is they

588
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: bind two receptors on cells which blocks them from normal functioning,

589
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: and this can result in cell death. So, uh, snake

590
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: venom has there is not one recipe for snake venom.

591
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: There's not even one recipe for rattlesnake venom. There are

592
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: many wonderful recipes for deadly venom. They have a number

593
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: of different acting toxins in it. So the most famous,

594
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: I suppose rattlesnake, the western diamond back. Uh, it's that

595
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: large rattlesnake. It's I think the most typical culprit for

596
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: snake bites because they're the most You're the most likely

597
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: to encounter these snakes and they're found in southwestern US

598
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: and in Mexico. And their venom works primarily through hemotoxins,

599
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: so toxins that effect the blood cells and blood vessels,

600
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: as well as toxins that can destroy other cells and

601
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: muscle tissue. And so this causes internal hemorrhaging and restriction

602
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: of blood flow. This is what will cause you the

603
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: most harm, and this is you need treatment for this.

604
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: While it is not the most potent per sort of

605
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: drop of venom of rattlesnakes, they are capable of injecting

606
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: more venom per bite due to their large things in

607
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: venom sacks. So you don't want to mess with the

608
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: western diamond back, but it is very treatable mm hmmm,

609
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: yeah yeah um. And one really relieving thing is that

610
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: you know when you get when or not. And if

611
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: you get bitten by a snake, especially a venomous one,

612
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: you don't actually have to identify the snake. All you

613
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: have to do is if you go to the doctor,

614
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: you're just like I got bitten by a regular, regular,

615
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: any sort of snake, venomous snake, and we right exactly

616
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: Joe snake. And you can get treated with this with

617
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: a singular type one of two types of anti venan uh.

618
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: And so that is a huge relief. Back in the

619
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: day we used to think that you had to identify

620
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: the type of snake and all that, no worries. You

621
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: can just go You don't even have to look the

622
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: snake in the eye after after it happens, uh, and

623
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: the doctor will be able to treat you with crofab

624
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: or anna vib um. But what's really important is that Uh.

625
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: You know, in the past with with those venoms, people

626
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: used to have strong allergic reactions to them. That's not

627
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: a case anymore. We've actually figured out how to produce

628
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: them where there is a very low, very very low

629
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: likelihood of a person having an allergic reaction to them.

630
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: So you should theoretically be able to get the maximum

631
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: dosage to handle that without any risk of anaphylaxis or anything.

632
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: And you know, if that does happen, you're in the

633
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: perfect place for it. All you have to do is

634
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: get hit with an EPI pin and you're good to go.

635
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: The hospital is the best place to have a medical emergency.

636
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, so do we still actually use

637
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: forces to produce anti venom? Yeah, yeah, we do. It's

638
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: it's a wild complicated process, you know. So they essentially

639
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: they get sort of like the Napoleon treatment where they

640
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: get this very very small amount. Okay, So how the

641
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: whole process works is a snake gets milked for their venom,

642
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: which essentially means that a snake is taken of venomus

643
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: snake like a rattler. Uh, and they are they're made

644
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: to inject their venom into a cup or flask. Uh.

645
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: That amount of venom, A small amount of it is

646
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: injected into a horse, not enough to harm the horse

647
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: or anything like that, because you know, they chose an

648
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: animal that's incredibly large on top of that, so their

649
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 1: body produces this, uh, this reactive response that produces their

650
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: own sort of UM I want to say, essentially an

651
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: antibody response. So we're able to take those We basically

652
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: take blood from the horse, we spin it, separate out

653
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: those antibodies, especially the stuff that's in the plasma I believe, um.

654
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: And then we have learned and figured out this process

655
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: where we can essentially cut that up. And so in

656
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: the past, we would take that and it would have

657
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: these cell markers or these markers on them that were

658
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: very specific to the horse. And when people would get

659
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: that anti venom, our bodies would respond to that. You know,

660
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: we've our bodies and say, oh, this is a foreign substance,

661
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: and thus our body with our bodies would attack uh

662
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: and cause this allergic response. But we figured out a

663
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: way to cut out essentially the markers that show that

664
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: it is from a horse, so our body just let's say,

665
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: let's say ride. It's like all right, great, you gotta pass.

666
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: Get on the plane, let's go, and so they you know,

667
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: your body can actually utilize, uh, this anti venom as

668
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: though we produce it ourselves. It's like the opposite of

669
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: a Trojan horse. It's like the Trojan No, this isn't

670
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 1: from a horse. So it's like a giant person walking

671
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: in a bunch of horses are inside. That's that's kind

672
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 1: of like the vibe. It's the reverse Trojan horse. Yeah,

673
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: Trojan horse, giant person, a lot of horses inside, and

674
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: the horses help you. Yeah, exactly, the horse Trojan. I

675
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: love that. I love that so much. So we've talked

676
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: about rattlesnakes, those little rascally spicy noodles, but they are

677
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: not the only pit vipers found in the US, and

678
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about just a couple of them.

679
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: So first I want to talk about the cotton mouth.

680
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: They are found in the southeastern US, and they look

681
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: kind of so alert to a rattlesnake. I'm sure for

682
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: someone who is familiar with rattlesnakes that would be very

683
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: offensive for me to say. But they, you know, to

684
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: someone that just you know, it's like, oh, that's that's

685
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: a snake. Yeah, they kind of look like a rattlesnake,

686
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: but they do not have a rattle. Uh. Instead, it

687
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: will display its mouth to potential threats. So it is

688
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: venomous just like the rattlesnake, and it doesn't want to

689
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: waste its venom on you, silly human. It will try

690
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: to warn you by coiling itself up and opening its

691
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: jaws really wide, which reveals this like kind of white,

692
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: little bit pinkish lining in its mouth. And that is

693
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: where its name cotton mouth comes from. Yeah. Yeah, And

694
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: the cotton mouth will tail rattle on in addition to that,

695
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: but instead it's slapping its tail against sticks and leaves

696
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: around it, so it produces a similar sound, but just

697
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: not with a specialized manchanism. Yeah, exactly, Which is really

698
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: interesting when you think about these these are all pit vipers,

699
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: there's somewhat related. Do you know if this is like

700
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: a case of parallel evolution or did they like have

701
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: a common ancestor who had that sort of shaking mechanism. Yeah,

702
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: so that is the question, you know, because a lot

703
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: of a lot of snakes do it in the US.

704
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: I've seen rat snakes do it as well. I've seen

705
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: king snakes do it. So I what I wonder is

706
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: if snakes have been doing this and then the rattlesnake

707
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: just developed a specialized mechanism, or maybe the rattlesnake was

708
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: doing it and a lot of snakes are mimicking it.

709
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know the answer to that um that

710
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: one is. I think it's still a question that's up

711
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: in the air, though papers may have been published recently

712
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: that have some sort of clue or idea. I got

713
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: to renew my subscription to Snakes monthly to uh to

714
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: find out. But yeah, they also they will also in

715
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: their threat display, they will release a foul smell from

716
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: their anal glands, and they will hiss. And so they

717
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: are like a cat, a skunk, and a snake all

718
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: in one wonderful little package. Its Latin name is oh boy,

719
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna butcher this, but let's give it a try.

720
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: It agg kiss trodon piscivorus piscivorus, Yes kisstrodon piscivorus flows

721
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: right off the tongue, which means fish hook fish devour.

722
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: Because these are semi aquatic snakes and they will eat fish.

723
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: They have even been known to sometimes eat very small

724
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: baby alligators. They don't actually so even though they eat fish,

725
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: they are really bad at fishing like underwater. They're not

726
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: like cruising underwater getting all the fish. They actually rely

727
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: on dry sea reasons where water will dry up and

728
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: fish or tadpoles or amphibians will get stranded in these

729
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: small puddles and then just have a fun little buffet. Yeah. Yeah.

730
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: And you know a lot of times people get the

731
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: cotton mouths mixed up with water snakes, who are also

732
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: aquatic snakes, but you know, they both be enjoyed because

733
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: cotton mouths are my favorite venomous snakes. They're absolutely gorgeous

734
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: to me. Uh, you know, the black and gold of

735
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: their bodies, just like the Saints, let's go New Orleans.

736
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: But you know they on top of that, you know,

737
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: they're pretty sassy little ones too, And I just I

738
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: cherished them. They are beautiful. They are truly gorgeous. I mean,

739
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: obviously they you don't want to cuddle these they are venomous, uh,

740
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: and you don't want to get bitten. But they have

741
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: kind of a sweet personality when it comes to their young.

742
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: So there are some observations of female cotton mouths protecting

743
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: their newly born litters and they give live birth, so

744
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: like and I believe that's also the case for other

745
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: rattlesnakes and other pit vipers. They don't lay eggs. They

746
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: give birth to live young, and so they will have

747
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: these sweet little babies that they want to protect. Not

748
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: typically what we think of when it comes to reptiles.

749
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: We don't think of them as being active parents. Yeah,

750
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: shouts out to them. I I didn't. I wasn't aware

751
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: of that, you know, And I love that. I love

752
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: that the idea that you know, a lot of a

753
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: lot of reptiles, you know a lot of them. You know,

754
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: they they leave their young to do their thing on

755
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: their own. But some reptiles really do make great caretakers,

756
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: at least in the early days of their offsprings live. Yeah. Absolutely.

757
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: And at last, we are going to talk about the

758
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: Eastern copper head, which is another pit viper. I think

759
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: these are gorgeous as well. They are a lovely coppery

760
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: color um with brown cross band. I'm probably a little

761
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: biased because I am a red head, and so I

762
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: just feel solidary for every red head out there. These

763
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: are beautiful snakes, uh, And they're they're pretty, they're pretty thick,

764
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: so they are not slender snakes. They they are built

765
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: pretty thick, which I think makes them pretty cute, and

766
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: they live in wooded areas in the southeastern US. They

767
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: are venomous, but they are very shy and will freeze

768
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: upon seeing a threat. And so what's interesting is their

769
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: shyness and their quietness actually makes them a little tricky

770
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: as like big blundering humans. Because they're so well camouflaged.

771
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: We may accidentally step on them or brush against them,

772
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: and they really don't want to bite you, but if

773
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: you touch them or like especially if you like get

774
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: a foot down on there, they're gonna freak out and

775
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: they may bite you. And they do vibrate their tails defensively,

776
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 1: but without the rattle. They are a little harder to hear,

777
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: uh than rattlesnakes or larger snakes that have a more

778
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: powerful rattling sound. But they are not trying to trick you.

779
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: They are just a little little shy guys and they're

780
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: trying to hide from you, a little little shy spaghettis. Yeah, Well,

781
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: they do operate with some trickery. And what I mean

782
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: by that is, you know, earlier I was talking about

783
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: the biofluorescence of the rattlesnakes tail. Uh. The copper head

784
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: also uses biofluorescence. When they're young, they develop what's called

785
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: a coddle, so it's basically a tail lure that they

786
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: can use to draw in small animals that are interested

787
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: in a worm like looking creature or even a small bird. Uh.

788
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: They'll utilize how lure and draw prey to them when

789
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: they're really really small and really really young. Yeah, I

790
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: love that. I think that's also the case for the

791
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: cotton mouth. They have that little little bright you can

792
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: actually see it. Um. The UV is really interesting. I

793
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: didn't know that, but you can actually see it with

794
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: our own, uh inadequate human eyes. It has a kind

795
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: of light yellow green tip to it when they're young,

796
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: which is interesting. It's almost like training wheels for them

797
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: to be able to lure and pray while they're young

798
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: and experienced. And so if you are a small animal,

799
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: small vertebrate, yes they do try to trick you, but

800
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: for totally in danger, yes, but for h for humans,

801
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 1: they just want to hide from you. Uh. And in fact,

802
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: they are kind of sweethearts. Sure you don't want to

803
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: mess with them, but when they bite, they tend to

804
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: issue a warning bite where they don't use much venom

805
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: or even a dry bite. I think they are one

806
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: of the pit vipers with the highest rate of dry

807
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: bites because they really don't want to waste their venom

808
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: on you. It seems kind of polite, like pacifist behavior,

809
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: but it is kind of in their own self interest

810
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: because they just they don't want to use up the

811
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: resources of their bite. And because they're so well camouflaged,

812
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: they are really hard to see. That is the defensive

813
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: mechanism they rely on the most. So they're hoping that

814
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: with that combination of camouflage and maybe like a little

815
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: warning bite, that you will just walk away and they

816
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: are not going to have to waste their venom on you. Yep.

817
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: But that being said, even if you do get bidden,

818
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: always assume it's going to be are always assume it

819
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: is a venoma one. And actually a good way to

820
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: tell if you're if you experience a dry bite or

821
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: not is it should start hurting pretty immediately, you know,

822
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: more than like an ouch. You know. So if you

823
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: get bitten by a snake and you experience any sort

824
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: of burning pain or any sort of swelling, you got venomated.

825
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you know, I love that cotton mounts

826
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: and copper heads they have this really nice because they're

827
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 1: very closely related snakes, they have this very flat top

828
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: to their head and it it almost looks like you

829
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 1: could put a little tiny plate on their head and

830
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: like a little tiny or maybe a tiny top hat.

831
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: Just wonderful. I I cherish these things so much. Two

832
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: of my favorites. Plus, uh, you know, cop cotton mouths

833
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: or copper heads sorry, also have these little hershey kisses

834
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: along their bodies. Yes, they are. They're adorable in my opinion,

835
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: and so with with that coloration, you know, they kind

836
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: of they really do stand out among the other snakes,

837
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: not amongst the leader. Yes, yeah, it's that the coloration

838
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: that makes them so pretty when they're against like a

839
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: white background, actually really helps them blend in. But yeah, no,

840
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: they are absolutely lovely snakes. You don't want to get

841
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: bitten by them, and you probably won't if you leave

842
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: them alone. But they're very sweet despite they're they're venomous nature.

843
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: Before we go, we have to play around of the

844
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: Mystery Animal sound game. Every week, I play a Mystery

845
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: animal sound and you the listen and you, the guest,

846
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: try to guess who is squawking last week's Mystery Animals

847
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Speaker 1: sound hint was is it a helicopter, a jackhammer, a lawnmower,

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Speaker 1: or something from Greek mythology? All right, I'm excited. I'm

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Speaker 1: ready to go. So Alexei, who do you think is

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00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: making that sound? Okay? So what were my options? Again?

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Speaker 1: It was something from Greek mythology? Yes, is it a helicopter,

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00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: a jackhammer, a lawnmower, or something from Greek mythology? Oh

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00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: my god, because my my instinct based on yeah, just

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Speaker 1: just going off of my gut, I want to say

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Speaker 1: it's it's like a cotton mouth tail rattling, but it

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00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: also still could be it could be a jackhammer, but

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Speaker 1: the way it ended didn't quite sound like a jackhammer. Um,

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00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: could I get that one more time? I get that

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00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: in my ear. Maybe it's a cotton mouth snake operating

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Speaker 1: a jackhammer. Its tail is sprung like tiggers. U. I.

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Speaker 1: The way it ended didn't sound quite like a jackhammer,

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00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: but it sounded like one in the middle. But I'm

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Speaker 1: I think I'm still gonna go with jackhammer. Like something

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Speaker 1: about that, I like, I want to choose the thing

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Speaker 1: that doesn't feel right, So jackhammer, jackhammer, it is, well,

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Speaker 1: it is actually something from Greek mythology. It is the

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Speaker 1: Hercules beetles wings beating. What. Yeah, so that's awesome, all right.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like a lawnmower to me. If I

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Speaker 1: heard this, I would not think it was coming from

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Speaker 1: a massive insect. The Hercules beetle is a species of

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Speaker 1: radnoceros beetle and is found in Central and South America.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the biggest flying insects in the world.

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Speaker 1: It has these hard yellow exoskeletal plates over its wings,

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Speaker 1: and the males have these two massive horns. One comes

875
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Speaker 1: from its head, the other comes from its frontal thorax,

876
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Speaker 1: and they use these horns in combat with other males

877
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: to try and compete for mates. And when they fly

878
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: they sound like little jackhammers buzzing through the air. That's

879
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: so cool. Something that's really interesting about large beetles like

880
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Speaker 1: that is a lot of them spend the majority of

881
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: their lifespan as a grub. I think some of those

882
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: larger beetles in South America could spin up to about

883
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Speaker 1: three years as a grub or in their larval state,

884
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Speaker 1: and then they only spend about some of them only

885
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Speaker 1: a hundred days as adults, you know. So that that

886
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: form that we're familiar with, that hercules beetle and like

887
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: those very large ones, that's actually the shortest part of

888
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: their lifespan, which is pretty wild to imagine. And they're

889
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: absolutely massive larva as well, Like it'll cover your entire hand.

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Speaker 1: It's really cool. Yeah, I've been bitten by smaller grubs,

891
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: and I couldn't imagine getting bitten by that. I could

892
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: imagine carrying it around in a little baby bjorn though,

893
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: like this is my baby, don't insult us. Yeah. They

894
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: pulled back the hood of the and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's this big, beautiful grub looking at Yes, So onto

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Speaker 1: this week's mystery animal sound. The hint is if you

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Speaker 1: hear this coming from the walls, you're in a heap

898
00:54:54,040 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: of trouble, all right. Could you hear those little little

899
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: tapping sounds? Yeah? I don't know what. What is that?

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00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: A ghost? Yeah? It's the kids beneath the stairs. Uh

901
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: is it a borrowers? It? That is such a good guess.

902
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: I remember I remember reading The Borrowers as a kid,

903
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: and I just loved leaving out little things for them

904
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Speaker 1: like little buttons. Little. Yeah. I did in the movie

905
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Speaker 1: have Nathan Lane in it. It did. That was a

906
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: terrible movie. I just remember. I remember from that movie

907
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: they had one of the little borrowers get like stuck

908
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: in like a dog turd, and it was horrifying. It

909
00:55:55,120 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: was horrifying. Did not Oh my god, it off as

910
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: a joke, but for like a ten year old that

911
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: was just like a nightmare, a total night In real life,

912
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: that person would be incredibly sick for long time after that.

913
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: These little bar wars getting sepsis from dog poop horrified.

914
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: The tiniest doctor possible. Yes, there's a a cuter version

915
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: of movie adaptation is like the Secret World of Ariettie.

916
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: I think the Muzaki movie. That one's cute. Yeah, I

917
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: haven't seen that one, but all the art for it

918
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Speaker 1: looks really very it's very cute, much cuter than the

919
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: Nathan Line version. Maybe you have a borrowers in the wall.

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00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: Let's hope it's that, yeah, instead of whatever else that

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Speaker 1: could be. You will find out the answer next week

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday for the next episode of Creature feature Alexei,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. Where can

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Speaker 1: about you know, what they do in science and nature.

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Speaker 1: is something very different. And if you think you know

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Speaker 1: the answer to this week's mystery animal sound game, write

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Speaker 1: to me at Creature Feature Pod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: When you leave a writing interview, I read them all.

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