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Speaker 1: When your shows alone put so much emotionality into a

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Speaker 2: Do they go that far? Like your parents?

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Speaker 3: Die?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Everyone, it's tsur Car voice of Sabine Wren, Specter five,

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Speaker 4: and with us we.

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Speaker 1: Have what's up guys, Taylor Gray, Ezra Bridgie here Specter six.

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Speaker 2: We also have with.

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Speaker 5: Us, Hey, everybody, it's John Lee Brody, your friendly neighborhood moderator.

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Speaker 5: And today more hot takes. I'm the last Jedi. No,

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Speaker 5: I'm kidding or maybe you never know, but actually we

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Speaker 5: are going over Star Wars Rebels Season two, Episode eleven, Legacy.

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Speaker 5: But first, as always, it's family checking time. How is

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Speaker 2: Did the last Jedi one drop?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, it's actually been pretty chill so far, so

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, yeah, but we'll see. It's still early

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Speaker 4: Early, stay tuned till next time, right, Well, in that case,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so far.

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Speaker 5: So good, so far, so far. How is everybody doing?

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Speaker 8: Though I definitely haven't slept in like two weeks, so

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Speaker 7: With moving and everything.

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Speaker 8: And I definitely I unearthed some treasures from the very

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Speaker 8: start of Star Wars Rebels and would love to share them.

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Speaker 8: I'll describe them for those listening. But yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 8: I don't recommend it, but it's worth it ultimately. But

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Speaker 8: other than that, completely fine. Oh and I had my birthday.

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Speaker 8: Thank you everyone for a birthday wish.

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Speaker 7: Happy Yeah, so all is well.

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Speaker 5: Do you feel like a renewed energy in your new placement?

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, I've never been happier in my life.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, that's always fantastic. Yeah. I just meditated I'm filling

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Speaker 5: Ooh. That that kind of goes on on brand with

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Speaker 5: some of the stuff Ezra has going on in this

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Speaker 5: episode is all astral projecting and meditating like he's Leonardo

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Speaker 2: That going to be in the recap?

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Speaker 5: No, no, it's not. I went more. Yeah, this one

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Speaker 4: Well, I can't wait. I as I was watching this episode,

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Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, what's John gonna come up with?

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Speaker 7: This time? It's small?

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Speaker 4: This was heavy stuff, very emotional watching this.

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Speaker 5: It's a pretty short recap because because of the heavy stuff,

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Speaker 5: because there's a lot of stuff to unpack, so why

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Speaker 5: don't why don't we just get into it? And also

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Speaker 5: to our listeners when we do family check in time,

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Speaker 5: in with you. Also, I know that we can't hear

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Speaker 5: So just fii. The check in is also inclusive to

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Speaker 4: Right, That's exactly right? Hit us up, let us.

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Speaker 5: Know absolutely all right, So here we go. Star Wars

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Speaker 5: Rebel Season two, episode eleven, Legacy original air date December ninth,

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Speaker 5: twenty fifteen, Written by Henry Gilroy. We gave the flowers

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Speaker 5: to Melching a couple weeks ago, and we haven't. We've

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Speaker 5: two episode eleven, Legacy. The episode has copious amounts of

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Speaker 5: Well, well can do you can continue that in your

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Speaker 4: It's more like you guys.

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Speaker 4: And that like your transmission, Ezra's transmission was the catalyst

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Speaker 8: up to evil, that it matters to stand up to evil.

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Speaker 8: And it says pretend to be something long enough and

436
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 8: you read and you risk becoming exactly that.

437
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Speaker 7: And I just thought about that.

438
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 8: In terms of family, what I saw that silhouette of

439
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Speaker 8: you with Canaan really sort of accepting the loss of

440
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 8: your parents. These sentences came to my mind, and I

441
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 8: was so happy to have found.

442
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 7: These because they really they guided me.

443
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Speaker 8: In terms of, you know, trying to trying to get

444
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Speaker 8: the group to coalesce as a family. Like I think

445
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 8: these sentences were just really powerful and I'm really grateful

446
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 8: that I found them.

447
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 7: Plus I found this hilarious picture.

448
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Speaker 8: Do you remember when we signed these and Star Wars

449
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Speaker 8: Weekends the first time?

450
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 5: For our listeners who can't see, I mean, we'll make

451
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 5: it a social click. Can you describe what you're holding

452
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 5: up for us?

453
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 8: Yes, I'm holding up a picture, it says Vanessa Marshall

454
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Speaker 8: Harrison Dula Star Wars Rebels, the animated series Disney's Hollywood

455
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Speaker 8: Studios Star Wars Weekends.

456
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Speaker 7: It was back in twenty thirteen or fourteen.

457
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Speaker 8: I believe, I'm not sure, but we were out in

458
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Speaker 8: the sun and signing these for people and our show

459
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 8: hadn't even come out yet and people were lining up

460
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Speaker 8: for hours to get, you know, this thing signed.

461
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Speaker 5: And it was that a five by seven. It's like

462
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Speaker 5: a mall yeah.

463
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Speaker 4: Yeah shot too.

464
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

465
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Speaker 8: And I was there the first time, I believe, with

466
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Speaker 8: Peter Mayhew and I don't know. It was just such

467
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 8: a it was such a special time. And it's a

468
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 8: hilarious headshot. My hair is like it's a great good sho.

469
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 8: I love this curl. It's like, oh hello, yeah, yeah.

470
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Speaker 5: It's seriously amazing. I guess it's so amazing. It's hilarious.

471
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 5: But it's just a photo.

472
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Speaker 8: Anyway, maybe I'll take a picture of it and you

473
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Speaker 8: can post it with the stuff.

474
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Speaker 7: But the other thing I found that I'm so excited.

475
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Speaker 10: I found the wings of the master script, yeah, with

476
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 10: all the highlights and all the things, and I texted Melching,

477
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Speaker 10: Melching's going to sign it for me.

478
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Speaker 4: That's amazing.

479
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Speaker 8: Yeah. But anyway, I don't I don't mean to like

480
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 8: divert away, but my point is that this this the

481
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 8: intention at the outset for the show was to examine

482
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 8: issues that, uh, you know, issues where chosen family matters,

483
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Speaker 8: and I felt like in this episode we saw that

484
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 8: unfolding as Ezra lost his actual family but embraced his

485
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 8: chosen family, particularly in this episode, and I think that's

486
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Speaker 8: why I said it reverberated out for me in terms

487
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Speaker 8: of losing Canaan ultimately how we healed as a group

488
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 8: after that as well without the very person who facilitated

489
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 8: some sort of comfort for Ezra in that very dark moment.

490
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Speaker 8: But also it is a very adult theme, like you said, Taylor,

491
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Speaker 8: but I feel like this is why the hashtag Star

492
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Speaker 8: Wars family thing is not something to be taken lightly.

493
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Speaker 8: I think when we all go through these things, we've

494
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 8: all lost people, we've lost family members.

495
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 7: That silhouette is really.

496
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 8: Impactful for anyone who has lost a family member. There

497
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 8: is that moment where you just come to accept it

498
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 8: and move into grief.

499
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 7: And I think.

500
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Speaker 8: People who are going through trauma really do heal through

501
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 8: watching some of this content, and we all identify with that.

502
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 8: I think that's why we got the feels watching it

503
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 8: this time and the first time.

504
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 7: But anyway, those are my thoughts.

505
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Speaker 5: Those are great. Thank you for sharing all that. And

506
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 5: also we are approaching the holidays, which can be when

507
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 5: you're growing up, it's such an innocent, happy time, but

508
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 5: as you get older and things start being maybe taken away,

509
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 5: maybe there's an empty spot at the table, you're like,

510
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 5: oh wow, like you start to see like that's the

511
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 5: other side of life. So I think you're saying that

512
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 5: with the chosen family and how you can come together

513
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 5: as a community is really important. But also I want

514
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 5: to go back to that show Bible you told me about.

515
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 5: So that's something that you all got. It's like basically

516
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 5: like your baseline up. Don't forget these are your fundamentals.

517
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 5: Am I understanding that correctly? Just like if you teach

518
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 5: someone basketball, it's like pastorrible, shoot this triple threat, Like,

519
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 5: these are your fundamentals and you build on that. Is

520
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 5: that what that essentially was for you? Like if went

521
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 5: in doubt, go back to that show Bible so you

522
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 5: know that it has to always be authentic to that.

523
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 5: Am I understanding correctly that?

524
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 8: I think that was the goal. I mean it says

525
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 8: these are themes and values. Family is more important than blood.

526
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 8: Our family is more than blood. Sorry, And then there's

527
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 8: also these other sheets about the resourcefulness of the rebels,

528
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 8: the importance of humor.

529
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Speaker 7: Like, I think they wanted to map out some just

530
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 7: touchstones for us to come back to.

531
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Speaker 8: They talk about the ship, the personality the ship, the

532
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 8: personality of Chokler. I think it was just they cared

533
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 8: so much, given that this was the first voyage with

534
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 8: you know, Disney at the helm.

535
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 7: Of the IP.

536
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 8: I think they really wanted to very specifically guide us.

537
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 8: I don't know, I mean, you guys, what do you

538
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 8: remember thought.

539
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: It was like a jumping off point, like to give

540
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: us a context like where we were right, Yeah, that's.

541
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: What I would say, like just to sort of ease

542
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 4: us in and like immerse us in the world and

543
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 4: give us these like reference points so that we could

544
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 4: kind of just jump right in. And you know, it

545
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: was that all of that information coupled with Dave really

546
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: like guiding us, you know, spending so much I mean,

547
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: well into season four, we would still like start our

548
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 4: recording sessions. I mean the whole time we would start

549
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 4: our recording sessions day really taking a good long time

550
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: to tell us, you know, kind of get our minds right,

551
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 4: get us into the mindset of like where we are

552
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 4: in the story, what's happening in this episode, and any

553
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: information that he felt like we needed, but especially at

554
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: the beginning. I mean, we spent a lot of time,

555
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 4: which I really appreciate of him kind of setting the

556
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 4: scene and not just for our show, but there would

557
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: be you know, many references to Clone Wars, to the

558
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 4: original trilogy, to just he's a he's a you know,

559
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: wealth of knowledge obviously Star Wars knowledge, and so we

560
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: got a lot of info, especially at the beginning. But

561
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: then all of that stuff was just stuff that we

562
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: could like sort of take home with us, really think about,

563
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: let it inform sort of where we started, and for

564
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: them to be able to take that with us. But

565
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: I thought that was all very helpful, and.

566
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: Then we got didn't we like once for our character too.

567
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very used to do that with his actors.

568
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 5: He would give them all dossier's on their characters. They

569
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 5: had this whole wealth and knowledge of who they were,

570
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 5: so every performance can be really layered, which of course

571
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 5: goes to George Lucas, who was inspired by Hidden Fortress,

572
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 5: which was directed of course by So it's uh, you

573
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 5: see the mentorship of George to Dave.

574
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: Right there and I bet you, well, I'm just guessing here,

575
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 4: but I bet you those dossier's probably had like sketches

576
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: and things that Corusawa did. I'm just guessing here, but

577
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 4: just knowing like his artistry, like visual artistry, and you know,

578
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: Dave like same thing. He would just like each of

579
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: our I thought, our character booklets, if you want it,

580
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: for lack of a better word, let's call it dossier.

581
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: That sounds so much cooler, it.

582
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 5: Sounds so efficient. You're still looking too.

583
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: Didn't have artwork, I mean, wasn't there artwork for our

584
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: character the ship?

585
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 7: And yeah, they didn't give that to us. But this

586
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 7: is so funny.

587
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: Sure we got to see We've got to see it.

588
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: That's cool you sure us images.

589
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: I remember at the beginning of episodes a lot he

590
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: would be like, look, we just we did this one up.

591
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,959
Speaker 2: This is what this is going to look like.

592
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: This is a perbole, This is all the low Cat's

593
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: going to look like.

594
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, one thing I wanted to bring because

595
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 5: you touched on a lot of really great things with

596
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 5: us about Canaan and Ezra's growth in this episode. And

597
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 5: we see, of course the maturation of Ezra, but also

598
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 5: the growth of Canaan because with that moment where because Ezra,

599
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: like any teenagers gonna have moments of I don't want

600
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 5: to call it emotional dysregulation, whatever you want to call it.

601
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 5: Or he's like, you don't know what it's like, and

602
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 5: Canaan to his credits, like, you're right, I don't, but

603
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 5: he's there to like listen instead a breach where maybe

604
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 5: in season one he might have just tried to be like, hey,

605
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 5: I need you to do this for me, but instead

606
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 5: here he's like, I hear you, and I'm so sorry.

607
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 5: I don't understand what that's like, but I'm here for you.

608
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 5: And I felt like that was such a great growth

609
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 5: moment for the both of them. And then back to

610
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 5: your point when it's about the foreshadowing and the sort

611
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 5: of the fate of everybody hiding in playing sight that

612
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 5: last image of Canaan and Ezra on the thall and

613
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 5: him telling Ezra you know your family lives on through you,

614
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 5: with you knowing where it's going to go. It's just

615
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 5: like there's all the chills and all the feels, all

616
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 5: the whatever other adjectives that are synonyms that go it feels.

617
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 5: It just insert that there and because it hits much much,

618
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: much harder when you know ultimately where it's going to

619
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 5: go once you get to season four, which we all

620
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: take our time getting there, because first of all, let's

621
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 5: do that.

622
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: I'm already.

623
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't slow it down either, Like this is I'm

624
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: realizing we haven't asked JC a question.

625
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: So just looking for something I've got.

626
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: I've got clear enough that what I was gonna say

627
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: is like they don't stop there with like it's very heavy,

628
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: and then they put him in a scene with his

629
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: parents and you're like, come on, like you're really nailing

630
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: this home. But when they're looking out that white city,

631
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: is that what looks all used to be?

632
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 6: What could have been?

633
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 5: That's what I interpreted as. So I just on my

634
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: other buck as I just did the movie Remember Returned

635
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: to Oz and how the Emerald City was destroyed. That's

636
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: how I interpreted it, but mainly because that movie was

637
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 5: so fresh in my mind, just a little bit yeah yeah,

638
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 5: or like the Ivory Tower and never ending story, you know,

639
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 5: my mind went to and h yeah, and that scene

640
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 5: Taylor where you're talking to your parents, you know, having

641
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 5: that sort of force memory whatever you want to call it.

642
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 5: I love the deliberate choice that we stay at Ezra's

643
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 5: eye level because we don't we don't really see your parents' faces,

644
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 5: because it's really uh, focusing on what Ezra's feeling. But

645
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: it's very much a throwback to like Looney Tunes, where

646
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: you wouldn't see the adults, or how Spielberg shot et

647
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 5: it was always from Elliott's point of view, and then

648
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: the only time you actually kind of see his parents

649
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 5: was a super wide shot, where to me is like

650
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 5: a storyteller, it's like you want to like give Ezra

651
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: a hug, but as an a d were so far away,

652
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 5: and once people are going through grief, there's nothing you

653
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 5: can really do to heal it other than just try

654
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: to be there for him, which is what Canaan does

655
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 5: very powerful last like thirty seconds of the show.

656
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Speaker 4: And then to your point, John, and I think you said,

657
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 4: like the difference between season one Canaan, how he might

658
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 4: have handled this situation versus this Canaan, and it's like

659
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 4: a there's a gentleness that I think is newer. You know,

660
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: he handles Ezra with such care and like empathy, not

661
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: that he wasn't an empathetic character before, but just that

662
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 4: you know, he might have been a little more lectury

663
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: versus there's just like a real care and sweetness and

664
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 4: gentleness that I noticed that in this episode. And I

665
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: really I mean, this is kind of on a personal note,

666
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: but it was really touching to watch this exchange or

667
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: this episode of Canaan and Azra because it kind of

668
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 4: reminded me of you know, you were you were so young,

669
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: Taylor when you start we started his show, and I know,

670
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: you know, you and Freddie's real life friendship and his

671
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 4: kind of mentorship or sort of big big brother role

672
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: and little brother role, and it was just so sweet

673
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 4: to like, just because I know how you guys are

674
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 4: in real life and that there was there was there's

675
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 4: there's genuine care behind these you know, these scenes where

676
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: you're acting quote unquote but you're you know you're not.

677
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 4: There's genuine care and uh and friendship there. So I

678
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 4: just thought that was like an a I.

679
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: Could hear that from Freddy and I was thinking, that

680
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: is very sweet. Yeah, what are some of the questions

681
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: you have for J C.

682
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 5: John My random one when I was watching, because in

683
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 5: the beginning of you know, Ezra has the visions astral

684
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 5: projecting and and the other thing that Canaan and Haarrah

685
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 5: just kind of burning the midnight oil and like the

686
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 5: living room with the ghost. I'm like, do they not

687
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 5: wear night where? Like there's no pajamas and Star Wars

688
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 5: that was my I was like, because there's no questions,

689
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 5: but you know, Jacon will definitely know some sort of

690
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 5: answer to that. But like I was like, wait, do

691
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 5: they not like they just maybe because you always have

692
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 5: to be ready because they're wrong.

693
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: With how about when she.

694
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 5: Has wardrobe changes?

695
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: You got how about the like worms that come in

696
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: to try and kill her. She's wearing pajamas while she's sleeping,

697
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: isn't she.

698
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 5: Guys, she wears a night where Yeah, and in episode

699
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 5: three too, she's wearing like like a nightgown. Yeah, you guys,

700
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 5: she's just let me tell you about Star Wars pajamas.

701
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's budget. I'm gonna go with JC

702
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: maybe budget. Like they kind of finally go out in

703
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: their armor to sleep.

704
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 4: It's like it's like you never have no one ever

705
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: has to use the restroom, No one's ever eaten a sandwich.

706
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: Do sandwiches exist in this galaxy?

707
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 8: You know what I mean?

708
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: Like there's and nobody changes, nobody like you, Like there

709
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 4: might be a sandwich saying bron gosh, no one's eating

710
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: a bowl of pasta in Star Wars. I'm just saying that,

711
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 4: I do not think you know, no one. No one

712
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 4: on Rebels is ever like I'm starving? Can we stop?

713
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: And just I want spaghetti?

714
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 5: That would be a bottle episode Like me, I would.

715
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 9: Be used to being like, No, I'm just saying some

716
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 9: of like Maslow's hierarchy of needs are not being fulfilled

717
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 9: on in Star Wars.

718
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: Like I'm just.

719
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 5: Saying, no, that's a great point to bring. And uh, yeah,

720
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 5: they do. I think in season three because they call

721
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 5: they called the refresher and said not the restaurant. They

722
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 5: called a refresher when a P two joins the crew

723
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 5: and on official base. So and I believe, and JC

724
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 5: can fact check me on this, I believe that was

725
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 5: a Timothy's On thing. Timothys On of course wrote the novel.

726
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 5: But if I'm wrong, please listeners, don't yell at me.

727
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 5: JC will correct me. Don't worry. But yeah, but like

728
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 5: I know, in Skeleton Crew they actually had like a

729
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: food court where they're eating. But yeah, and Rebels, you're right,

730
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 5: they don't like it would be nice, like, hey, guys,

731
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 5: I know we got to do this, but our blood

732
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 5: sugar is getting really low, and if he wants to function,

733
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 5: we're gonna need some carbohydrates.

734
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 4: Yeah something.

735
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 7: It looks like that's why your.

736
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 5: Aim was off this episode for Ezra, because you remember

737
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 5: he's kind of missing him, like, oh he's it's hungry.

738
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Speaker 1: I did appreciate that, Canaan said, because this goes into

739
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: that and a sort of more quoteitient thing when he's like, hey,

740
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: let's go.

741
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: The moons are setting that.

742
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: That is a kind of sweet like dropping us back in,

743
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: but also funny, like this is our Star Wars version

744
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: of There's two right, right, Yeah.

745
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 8: I'm seeing something called a Ronto roaster at the docking

746
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 8: Base seven food and Cargo at Galaxies Edge. It roasted pork,

747
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 8: grilled pork, sausage, tangy slaw in peeda bread. And then

748
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 8: for the children, there is something here a Thorian uh

749
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 8: pasta rings.

750
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 7: I think it said hold on.

751
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: Jac watch out, yeah, like videos or something.

752
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 8: Plant based meat, marinara sauce with pasta. So I don't

753
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 8: know that's a park thing, but it is in the

754
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 8: It is in the Star Wars area.

755
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 7: So hey, there are fans who know all about this,

756
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 7: so you can at us about this topic. And and

757
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 7: of course.

758
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 5: JC absolutely absolutely and uh yeah. The other thing is

759
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 5: like the fall of the White Loaf cat. So I

760
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: I had where my mind went was. I was like,

761
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 5: was this a nod to the matrix? Because Neo had

762
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 5: to follow the white rabbit and that led to him understanding.

763
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 5: So I asked somebody who would know the answer to that.

764
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 5: I slid into Henry. Hey, can you hear my beard?

765
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: You know? No, Henry I did, and he said, who

766
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 5: are you? Please, don't ever mention to me again. He

767
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 5: was very gracious about it, and uh, I think he

768
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 5: enjoyed that. That's where my mind went. But he said,

769
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 5: this is more about I know I'm talking about the

770
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 5: White Loaf cut. Heverybody from Henry Gilward. This is more

771
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 5: about Ezra's forced connection to the natural world that I

772
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 5: was trying to put forward, kind of like gifts to

773
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 5: the spirit force, powers can manifest in different ways. For Ezra,

774
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 5: it was his ability to connect with creatures and he's

775
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 5: like Canaan didn't have that power. Anakin did, but he

776
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 5: kind of muscled control over creatures where with Ezra he's

777
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 5: a little more sensitive. And I was like, oh, that's

778
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 5: very like inside. So he was very gracious, give me

779
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 5: this very uh detailed answer.

780
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: We need more that. Yeah, it's cool.

781
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 5: You reached out to him, and he pretty much shut

782
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 5: down my matrix theory. So I was like, yeah, we

783
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 5: like it, we like it anyways, well because I thought

784
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 5: it is Ezra the one like like Neo. So he's

785
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 5: got to follow his uh his white totem. But that

786
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 5: sounded weird, your white total, right, anyway, let's follow the

787
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: white low cut bright the fact check with jac what

788
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 5: have we got today?

789
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Speaker 6: Oh?

790
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 11: He quit apparently you know, I have to turn I

791
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 11: have to push like eight buttons to get my camera

792
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 11: back on. And it's been I feel like the entirety

793
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 11: of Los Angeles is sick. So I'm a little bit slow.

794
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 11: I don't have a lot for this. I have a

795
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 11: lot from the last three minutes of discussion from you guys.

796
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 5: Let's go. We say we like to say for you.

797
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 4: We didn't want to give you too easy of the time.

798
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 4: We had like no questions journalist.

799
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 11: The first thirty five minutes. There's I had one thing,

800
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 11: and now I've got twelve. The one thing I picked

801
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 11: out from the show, So when they're escaping at the

802
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 11: end of this, when the Imperials are backing, Garrel Soto

803
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 11: mentions escape plan Delta, which I thought was interesting because

804
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 11: it's kind of.

805
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 6: A callback to.

806
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 11: Luke Skywalker against the ad Ats, which we can discuss

807
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 11: more next episode in on how they use attack pattern

808
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 11: delta to attack.

809
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 6: That was Luke Skywalker's plan.

810
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 11: So attack plan Delta is called out here, and I

811
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 11: guess it's where multiple ships flee for hyperspace while command

812
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 11: ship stays behind us a diversion. So again, after the

813
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 11: very soulful conversation you guys have, I don't know how

814
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 11: interesting escape plan Delta is.

815
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 7: It's interesting, John.

816
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 11: You mentioned Clancy Brown in your intro. You came back

817
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 11: to it later on that he played one of the

818
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 11: best versions of Lex Luthor, and the DC Animated also

819
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 11: wanted to call out he played Savage Opress in the

820
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 11: Clone Wars, Darth Maul's brother. My first intro to Clancy

821
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 11: was Starship Troopers, which I recommend everybody go back and

822
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,479
Speaker 11: watch for no good reason at all.

823
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 6: Right now, Taylor had hit emotion.

824
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 11: Taylor, you talked about do other cartoons give young characters

825
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 11: the opportunity for such heavy emotional arcs. The only one

826
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 11: that I could pull. I mean, Justice League Animated season

827
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 11: two does a lot with that, but it's more between

828
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 11: Green Lantern and Hawk Girl, which are adult characters. The

829
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 11: only spot where I could really remember a cartoon that

830
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 11: I was like, Wow, this is a lot was the

831
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 11: character of Aang in Avatar The Last Airbender, who's kind

832
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 11: of like wakes up after all this time and has

833
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 11: the save the world essentially, which was also a Dave

834
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 11: Filoni show. I'm going to go with John's interpretation of

835
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 11: the White City of Lothol. I'm not going to add

836
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 11: anything to that. I did have something to add to

837
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 11: what Tia was saying about Taylor's relationship with Freddie and

838
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 11: how she could hear Canaan's gentleness in his approach to

839
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 11: mentoring him versus lecturing, and I thought that was really

840
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 11: interesting because it's not something I picked up in the show,

841
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 11: but hearing you guys discuss it, it made me think

842
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 11: about Obi Wan and Anakin, and when you watch obi

843
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 11: Wan mentor Anakin throughout the entire series, it's almost grating,

844
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 11: how like lecturing and how much he puts down Anakin

845
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 11: throughout all of the episodes, and I wonder or throughout

846
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 11: the movies, and I wonder how much how present that

847
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 11: was in the writer's minds for Rebels, in that if

848
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 11: Obi Wan's tutoring in that way impacted Anakin's decision and

849
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 11: need to find other mentors i e. Palpatine and aid

850
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 11: It in his path to the dark Side, was it

851
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 11: conscious that that's what happened? And so in Rebels, we

852
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 11: need to put Ezra's mentor on a different path, maybe

853
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 11: start him at the same point, And let's show what

854
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 11: happens if the teacher goes this direction instead of that direction,

855
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 11: because we've already seen what happens when you know, the

856
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 11: Jedi council babies him and holds him back and holds

857
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 11: him back. So I thought that was really interesting. Pajamas

858
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 11: in Star Wars, Taylor was right. Amidala does wear pajamas

859
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 11: in episode two. Anakin also sleeps with his shirt off

860
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 11: in I believe episode.

861
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 5: Three three, he's got a robe and everything.

862
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 11: Yeah, my controversial take, and I'm so sorry that we're

863
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 11: going to wade into these waters. But the one thing

864
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 11: I have to say about characters never changing their costumes, which, Taylor,

865
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 11: you've hit on an animation, there's like budgetary to it.

866
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 11: I guess the one question and I'll leave it up

867
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 11: to the fans. I'm not gonna hazard an opinion on this.

868
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 11: But in the Ahsoka Live action show, which takes place

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Speaker 11: a decade after what we are experiencing right now, and

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Speaker 11: Hara is an accomplished general who's done all of these things,

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Speaker 11: why is she still wearing the same outfit ten years

872
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Speaker 11: later that she wears on this show? Like even Luke

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Speaker 11: and Lea changed their outfits movie to movie. Why is

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Speaker 11: Harrah still wearing the same thing? I mean questions?

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Speaker 4: Ahsoka looks is wearing different stuff from when she from

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Speaker 4: Home Wars, right, I mean, now that she's older, she

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Speaker 4: looks different, her makeup is different, her outfit is slightly different.

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Speaker 4: So then why is poor Hairra still still.

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Speaker 1: If I was a kid, my arguments my parents would

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Speaker 1: be like, you tell me to be like, these people

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Speaker 1: will be follow the right path. They sleep in their

882
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Speaker 1: clothes that they were on the playground. I just go

883
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Speaker 1: to sleep in my stuff, get up in the same thing,

884
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Speaker 1: because I think it's just funny, Like how can you

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Speaker 1: be asleep wearing that yeah, never fly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, let me tell you what I think about it. No, kid,

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Speaker 5: I'm not this episode, but you never know. If you

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Speaker 5: got you know, if people are liking the chaos, I'll

889
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Speaker 5: hold back with this episode. You never know, but no, no, sorry,

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Speaker 5: go ahead.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So, you know, I think within the context of

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Speaker 11: the show, I can see it. Within the broader context

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Speaker 11: of the universe, maybe there should be some other costume

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Speaker 11: changes made.

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Speaker 5: They got to find an outlet store in the outer

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Speaker 5: Rim or something, you know.

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Speaker 4: Just I mean, Sabine changes outfit's from season to seas

898
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Speaker 4: all the time.

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Speaker 5: This is true.

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Speaker 8: I'm saying, I just didn't know if it was like

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Speaker 8: a pilot's uniform type of deal. And maybe she has

902
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Speaker 8: a number of them. You know, it's not the same

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Speaker 8: para pants.

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Speaker 11: Like Kevin Smith's or Homer Simpson's closets, where it's all

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Speaker 11: the same thing, but there's one hundred versions of it.

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Speaker 7: It's kind of I don't.

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Speaker 5: Know, she's the Johnny Cash of US Star Wars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Also, it's kind of a flave thing. It's just sort

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Speaker 7: of her.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, she's like.

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Speaker 4: Just too busy being Arrah that she can't you know,

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Speaker 4: she didn't have time or Sabine is like that's a

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Speaker 4: priority for hers to like really kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: express her artistry through like her her armor and her

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Speaker 4: helmet and such. Whereas you know, Space Mom has a

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Speaker 4: lot more on her plate. She's got things to do.

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Speaker 4: She doesn't have time to worry about it.

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Speaker 2: The onto them they're born with clothes.

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Speaker 6: They might not be clothed. It might just be part

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Speaker 6: of that.

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Speaker 2: They haven't proven otherwise yet.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, like Chewbacca, Chewbacca never puts on clothes.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's the same thing.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, Chewbacca hasn't changed clothes between the movies So Low

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Speaker 11: and Episode nine.

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Speaker 6: He's naked the whole time.

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Speaker 11: Famously, George Lucas got studio notes back in the seventies

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Speaker 11: about why does the will he not wear pants?

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Speaker 1: It sounds funny he doesn't need pants because he's a

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Speaker 1: free spirit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Ze wars pants, but that's not free in the

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Speaker 4: same way.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the more like to Go Tea. They

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Speaker 1: took Rob McCrory's drying. They're like more.

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Speaker 7: Subtle.

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Speaker 6: Up we talked about John. You mentioned the refresher.

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Speaker 11: I do believe the origin of that is Timothy's on

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Speaker 11: but I could not confirm it. I feel like the

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Speaker 11: origin of a lot of things is probably Timothy's on,

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Speaker 11: and if it's not Timothy's on, it was just prior

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Speaker 11: to Timothy's on with the West End Games stuff. And

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Speaker 11: we've mentioned before in the fact check, Mandalorian is the

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Speaker 11: first time that they were allowed to actually show a

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Speaker 11: bathroom in Star Wars Mandalorian season one, we talked a

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Speaker 11: little bit about Star Wars food. The first instance I

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Speaker 11: can think of of Star Wars food is obviously Luke

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Speaker 11: is having breakfast or whatever lunch dinner in a New

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Speaker 11: Hope with his aunt and uncle, and again he digs

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Speaker 11: into some ration bars on Degobah with Yoda and then

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Speaker 11: Wickett the e Walk in Return of the Jedi shares

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Speaker 11: a rice cake with Princess Leah. The first time I

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Speaker 11: can think of beyond that is Luke Skywalker is talking

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Speaker 11: to Oh and I'm so sorry, I haven't read this

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Speaker 11: book since nineteen.

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Speaker 6: Ninety four, but I think it was.

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Speaker 11: Luke Skywalker talking to C three Po in Air to

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Speaker 11: the Empire, which came out in nineteen ninety one, about

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Speaker 11: Lando introducing him to hot chocolate, was like an earth

960
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Speaker 11: thing that like, we're like, why don't they just eat

961
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Speaker 11: pasta well like hot chocolate was introduced to Luke Skywalker

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Speaker 11: by Lando in the mid nineties, and John the Gilroy

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Speaker 11: info was awesome, and I just wanted to say, if

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Speaker 11: you're going to be wrong about your matrix reference, like,

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Speaker 11: I think what mister mister Gilroy shared was a great

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Speaker 11: way to be absolutely wrong about something.

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Speaker 5: Well, Okay, he never said was wrong. He just didn't

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Speaker 5: confirm that that's what it was. So let's let's be

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Speaker 5: let's let's just make sure with your fact check portion

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Speaker 5: that the packs are straight. He didn't say I was wrong.

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Speaker 5: He just said, oh, this is what I meant.

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Speaker 2: I just texted him he said, you were wrong. I'm kidding. No,

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Speaker 2: I agree. I like the White Rabbit.

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Speaker 6: That's all I got there was. It was a very

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Speaker 6: heady episode, more so than.

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Speaker 5: I'm getting hetty with you taking that cheap shot of me.

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Speaker 5: Now anyways, I can uh. I have an appointment today

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Speaker 5: my therapist, so it'll be fine anyways.

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Speaker 6: Somehow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you don't got to take shots to me.

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Speaker 6: I know you know where I lived.

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Speaker 5: That's trouble, okay, You now you're turned into something that's

983
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Speaker 5: not going to be I'm just like I'm just saying

984
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Speaker 5: you don't have to I don't have to catch trays.

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Speaker 5: Well if if it's behind my back, I don't hear.

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Speaker 5: I can't control that. But I'm right here, man.

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Speaker 1: You don't know.

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Speaker 5: We're all supposed to be family here and supportive.

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Speaker 4: But anyways, to me and Taylor, you.

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Speaker 2: Take the cheap shots.

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00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,959
Speaker 5: To me, oh I do, and I will no cheap shot.

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00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 5: It's just like just straight up this is what I'm doing.

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Speaker 5: But anyways, thanks Chasey as always, and thank you to

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Speaker 5: our listeners. We know you have a choice in podcast,

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Speaker 5: so we appreciate you choosing ours. We will see you

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Speaker 5: next week. But until then, Taylor has more info on

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Speaker 5: his podcast or he just has our outro, it's going

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Speaker 5: to be one of the two. Ur both, but uh

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