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Speaker 1: Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show appreciate

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Speaker 1: all of.

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Speaker 2: You hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: Buck is caught in South Florida traffick, but he will

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Speaker 1: join me at some point during the course of Monday's program.

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Speaker 1: This is the last full week rejoice of Joe Biden's

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Speaker 1: tenure as President of the United States. We are officially

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Speaker 1: seven days away about this time. One week from today,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump will be raising his right hand to become

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Speaker 1: the next President of the United States. We will be

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Speaker 1: live with the show and all of you in Washington.

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Speaker 2: D C. Buck and I are both going to arrive

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Speaker 2: on Friday evening.

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Speaker 1: We'll be there for the sites, the sounds, the festivities

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Speaker 1: of Inaugural weekend, and then we will be getting hopefully

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Speaker 1: just an up close look at what day that many

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Speaker 1: of us have been waiting for for a very very

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Speaker 1: long time, for that Monday Inaugura. So that's letting you

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Speaker 1: know where we are headed. What's going on this week, Well,

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Speaker 1: we have the confirmation hearings beginning with Pete Hegseth on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: the Battle over Pete Hegseth, Tulca Gabbard, RFK, Junior, Cash

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Speaker 1: Patel among others officially underway. It is looking very good

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Speaker 1: at this point for all of Trump's current nominations to

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Speaker 1: be confirmed. But we will see how all those hearings go,

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Speaker 1: and we will continue to break all of that down

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Speaker 1: for you. But I would say the biggest story of

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Speaker 1: the weekend has continued to be and the biggest story

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Speaker 1: of last week has continued to be the wildfires that

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Speaker 1: have been raging in Los Angeles that are not yet

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Speaker 1: fully out, and the fallout from those wildfires beginning in

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Speaker 1: earnest and one of the challenges has been determining what

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Speaker 1: is true and what is false. So I spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time over the weekend diving into the particulars

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Speaker 1: of this story so we'd be prepared to talk about

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Speaker 1: it and share with you actual true details here because

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Speaker 1: so many of you are in California, so many of

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Speaker 1: you have spent time in the city of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I believe the team shared the three states.

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Speaker 1: Probably not a surprise that we have the biggest audience

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Speaker 1: in Texas, Florida, and California. Now those are three of

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Speaker 1: the most popular states in the country. That's not a surprise,

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Speaker 1: but also three states where we dominate in many different markets,

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Speaker 1: whether it's number one in Sacramento, number one in San Diego,

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Speaker 1: number one in Austin, number one in Houston, just absolutely

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Speaker 1: gobsmacking growth all over the state of Florida, particularly South

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Speaker 1: Florida where Buck lives. Right now, we appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: who is we have asked to come on as a guest.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this morning, I asked our team to

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Speaker 1: reach out to him, a Republican who represents California's fifth

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Speaker 1: congressional district, and I thought, probably instead of focusing on

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Speaker 1: idea that is the only response that leftists seemed to have,

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Speaker 1: which is, oh, this is caused by climate change. Oh well,

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Speaker 1: climate change caused this because one of the challenges associated

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Speaker 1: to the contrary and so I thought McClintock Congress from

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Speaker 1: the and I get again. I give credit to the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal editorial page as well. And it starts

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Speaker 1: He named it the Bay of Smokes because there were

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about wildfires now, but for long before

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Speaker 1: Prior to the year eighteen hundred, based on studies, California

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Speaker 1: Wildfires were actually a natural consequence of the California landscape,

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Speaker 1: But in twenty twenty California had a four point three

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Speaker 1: after having basically corralled this issue which had existed in

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Speaker 2: So what happened? Why? Why?

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Speaker 1: I mean this is again, story matters and facts matter,

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Speaker 1: and trying to examine history matters in an intelligent fashion.

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Speaker 2: So think about this.

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Speaker 1: We had basically conquered wildfires in California to a large extent.

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Speaker 1: You can't prevent them entirely because it is a natural

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Speaker 1: Ana winds, the foliage, all of these things conspired before

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Speaker 1: we were here to burn four and a half million acres.

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Speaker 1: With great wildlife management, wildfire management, we had driven that down.

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Speaker 1: And then in the last few years, suddenly we're starting

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Speaker 1: at the history. And by the way, if you look

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Speaker 1: consistently throughout all of this time. In other words, climate

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Speaker 1: Environmental studies and the goals of the environmentalists to return

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Speaker 1: now creating the same conditions that we had helped secure

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Speaker 1: to limit the amount of fires that are going on. Again,

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Speaker 2: You can go follow it.

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Speaker 1: Environmental studies now costs millions of dollars, and it takes

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Speaker 1: five point three years for any forest thinning project in

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Speaker 1: Sheep and cattle, which were being allowed to graze widely

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Speaker 1: And again I'm not getting into I do think it's

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Speaker 2: We'll dive into this more.

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Speaker 1: The failures of water management, the failures of hey, how

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Speaker 1: Why were the fire hydrants not running? All of those

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Speaker 1: Dialing all of those back, in conjunction with all of

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Speaker 1: And it appears the environmentalists, due to their failure, the

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Speaker 2: How frustrating is it.

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Speaker 4: But then we adopted these leftist environmental laws in the

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Speaker 1: How frustrating is that to not only you, but other

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Speaker 1: And then this is often, as you know, much of

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the problem with their argument. Is he referenced

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Speaker 1: So what is the solution here in your mind? I mean,

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Speaker 1: But how frustrating is it that basically the government of

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Speaker 4: Yes, Well, who hasn't, just said doctor Johnson said, when

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Speaker 4: Some of the worst of these environmental laws are federal

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Speaker 1: So what's the solution in your mind? Let's pretend that

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Speaker 1: What would you do looking forward? Okay, we have to

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Speaker 1: From a European perspective, what should happen from if you

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Speaker 4: This is not a theoretical discussion, because we already know

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Speaker 4: Every year we would send out foresters to the National Force.

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Speaker 4: So obviously nobody leases land for grazing. So you have

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Speaker 4: back to the policies that work. Scientific management of the

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Speaker 4: the fundamental issue in all of this is scientific management

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Speaker 1: How frustrating is it as a Californian. I don't know

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a strong argument that California as America's

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Speaker 4: That, Well, it's not just frustrating, it's heartbreaking. You look

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Congressman Tom McClintock. Last question for you, Congressman.

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Speaker 1: I get a lot of questions, and we had a

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Speaker 1: California's failure to capture much of the reign that actually

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Speaker 1: falls in California, particularly southern California.

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Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time there, anybody who has.

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Speaker 1: When the rain comes and it doesn't come in a

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Speaker 1: consistent fashion, it often arrives all of a sudden. You

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Speaker 1: just roaring right out into the Pacific Ocean, never claimed.

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Speaker 1: How does that get fixed and how has that been

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Speaker 1: allowed to continue to occur?

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Speaker 4: Well? I served on the Water and Power Subcommittee' chairman

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Speaker 4: for several years, and what I learned in those years

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Speaker 4: is droughts are nature's fault. They happen, but water shortages

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Speaker 4: are our fault. Water shortages are a choice we made

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Speaker 4: when we adopted the same environmental laws that have made

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Speaker 4: also made the construction of new dams and reservoirs all

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Speaker 4: but impossible. California, just precipitation alone produces about forty five

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Speaker 4: hundred gallons of fresh water every day for every man

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Speaker 4: it's unevenly distributed over time and distance. We used to

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Speaker 4: build dams to store water from wet years to move

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Speaker 4: it to dry years. We used to build aqueducts to

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Speaker 4: move water from wet regions to dry regions. That same

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Speaker 4: environmental left movement destroyed our ability to do that, So

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Speaker 4: we haven't constructed a major dam over a million acre

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Speaker 4: feet in California since nineteen seventy nine, were the population's

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Speaker 4: more than double. So it all comes back to a

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Speaker 4: choice that we have made through the policies that we've

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Speaker 1: Congressman. Fantastic editorial. I appreciate you coming on and talking

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Speaker 1: with all of our audience that has been so frustrated

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Speaker 1: by so much of what you've laid out. We need

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Speaker 1: to get you on again, but appreciate you fighting the

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Speaker 1: right battle, and hopefully public policy, as you said, can

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Speaker 1: be corrected in California, because it wasn't very long ago

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Speaker 1: when the state was making a lot of great decisions.

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly right, and as someday it will again.

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Speaker 1: I pray Congressman Tom McLintock from the fifth Congressional District

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Speaker 6: It's the last week of the Biden administration, so we

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Speaker 6: still technically the President of.

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Speaker 2: The United States for a few more days.

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Speaker 6: Doesn't really feel like he's been president for quite some time.

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Speaker 6: But this is where we are, and Biden is going

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Speaker 6: One of the remarkable things about Joe Biden is that

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Speaker 6: foreign policy issues. As a president, he has a record

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Speaker 6: the advisors, but that's supposed to be his strong suit.

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Speaker 6: I think that tells you a lot about Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: that the area of his greatest competency is actually an

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Speaker 6: area of tremendous weakness if you listen to anybody who

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Speaker 6: is honest and has been paying attention throughout his career.

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Speaker 2: But Clay, this also leaves a lot of.

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Speaker 6: Open territory right now for the Democrats, I think, given

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Speaker 6: the wildfires in California continuing to create devastation across a

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Speaker 6: wide swath of Los Angeles, and the fact that Gavin

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Speaker 6: Newsom is running as he's doing a lot of pr

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Speaker 6: damage control for his stewardship of that state along with

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Speaker 6: Karen Bass, it's not a moment where you would think

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Speaker 6: of the Democrat Party. He certainly is looking a little

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Speaker 6: weak in the in the moment at least, and it's

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Speaker 6: interesting to me that Peter Doucy of Fox News, in

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Speaker 6: the closing week of Carrie Jean Pierre's tenure as White

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Speaker 6: House Press Secretary, asks her who is the leader of

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Speaker 6: the Democrat Party between next Monday, when Trump takes office

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Speaker 6: and the next the next presidential election cycle. Here's just

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Speaker 6: what she had to say in response, is play twenty

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Speaker 6: eight between.

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Speaker 5: Next Monday and twenty twenty eight, who's the leader of

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Speaker 5: the Democrat Party?

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Speaker 2: Goodness wow?

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Speaker 7: That is honestly, that is for people much smarter than

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Speaker 7: I to make that assessment, that decision. Obviously, voters will decide.

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Speaker 7: That is not something for me to decide. I could

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Speaker 7: say right now, in this moment, in this room, as

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Speaker 7: I'm looking at the clock as it's counting down because

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Speaker 7: we have to leave shortly. You have the president, President

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden, who is obviously the president and the leader

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Speaker 7: of the Democratic Party. I cannot predict the future. So

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Speaker 7: that is not something that I'm going to do from here.

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Speaker 2: So no, Leader of Department, That's not what I said.

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Speaker 5: Full time.

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Speaker 2: I'm regretting this right now.

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Speaker 7: That's not what I said. I said that I am

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Speaker 7: You asked me about what's the twenty twenty eight is

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Speaker 7: going to look like between now and twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 7: I can't or post post obviously this president's tenure. That's

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Speaker 7: not for me to decide. That's not for me to speak.

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Speaker 2: To Clay now.

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Speaker 6: I actually think that it isn't for her necessarily way

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Speaker 6: in right, I think that it's Peter Doucy having a

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Speaker 6: little fun in the last week here, but pointing out

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Speaker 6: a question that I think has to not only be

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Speaker 6: on the minds of Republicans but Democrats as well.

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Speaker 2: Who is the leader of the resistance to Trump? Right now?

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Speaker 6: You know, there used to be this whole, this whole team,

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Speaker 6: this whole bench of people that are vying for or

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Speaker 6: the leader of the hashtag resistance against Trump, and now

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Speaker 6: it feels like it's all just been put on pause,

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Speaker 6: it's been sent into remission. I don't know, it's I've

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Speaker 6: never seen a Democrat party so leaderless in my adult

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Speaker 6: lifetime as it seems to be right now.

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Speaker 1: I think Gavin Newsom wanted to be that Trump alternative,

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Speaker 1: and honestly, the LA wildfires have to a large extent

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Speaker 1: crippled him politically, and I don't think that's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: my expectation is that it's going to be Gretchen Witmer,

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Speaker 1: and I know some of you out there are thinking

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Speaker 1: it's crazy, but she can't run for reelection again. Josh

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Speaker 1: Shapiro can, and when he gets re elected, I think

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Speaker 1: there'll be some DeSantis like momentum presuming that he is reelected.

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Speaker 1: I think Bucky would get reelected in twenty six, which

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Speaker 1: then to move national. But I don't think there's a

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Speaker 1: national figure. Keem Jefferies is not particularly charismatic or well

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Speaker 1: spoken enough to me to be a compelling national figure.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer certainly is not in the Senate as the

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Speaker 1: minority leader. Sometimes that's the person who's in opposition. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a huge void of leadership. Kamala Harris is

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Speaker 1: not because she's never been a particularly well spoken advocate

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Speaker 1: for the Democrat side. And I do think California Democrats

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Speaker 1: are going to have a tough time because this fire

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Speaker 1: in LA is going to be seen as an indictment

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Speaker 1: of their leadership, even if they're national. And let me

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Speaker 1: mention this two buck, because you just play that audio,

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Speaker 1: are you gonna miss a little bit the Peter Doucy

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Speaker 1: Corene Jean Pierre interactions. I mean, we've had basically four

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Speaker 1: years of sharing those clips because Peter Deucy has been

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Speaker 1: one of the few media members who would actually ask

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Speaker 1: questions of Karine Jean Pierre that were something other than

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Speaker 1: on a scale of awesomeness, How awesome would you say

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden and his administration have done, which is the

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Speaker 1: default White House Press Corps questioning in general, with the

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Speaker 1: exception after June twenty seventh. Obviously that changed when suddenly

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Speaker 1: everybody had teeth after the debate performance. But Peter Doucy

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Speaker 1: is going to be, I imagine having way less fun

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Speaker 1: in a Trump White House briefing room than he has

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Speaker 1: with Karine Jean Pierre. And a part of me thinks

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Speaker 1: Karine Jean Pierre, even in that interaction, likes Peter Deucy,

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Speaker 1: like you know, even though they obviously are have gone

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Speaker 1: at it quite a lot. And I think Karine Jean

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Speaker 1: Pierre has lost almost He's got like an O and

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Speaker 1: six hundred and forty two record against Peter Deucy questions.

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Speaker 1: I do think that even she's going to miss that

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Speaker 1: a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a degree of theatricality in the in these

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Speaker 6: West wing press core exchanging, both of them.

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Speaker 2: Are performing in some ways.

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Speaker 1: It's not yeah, it's televised, it's a it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a shadow boxing. Our friend Caroline Levitt, though, is going

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Speaker 1: to be taking over that role for the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: and I would.

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Speaker 6: Think that there would be a degree of theatrics there.

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Speaker 6: But to start off with, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 6: the journals out there, the people that really insist that

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Speaker 6: they're still the quote mainstream and unbiased or non nonpartisan journalists,

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Speaker 6: I think that they realized that that whole brand is

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Speaker 6: shakier than it has been in a very long time,

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Speaker 6: when even Bezos at the Washington Post, you know, with

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Speaker 6: his Washington Post says, guys, we need to stop being

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Speaker 6: so crazy. So I don't know that they're going to

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Speaker 6: go after the White House Press secretary with the same

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Speaker 6: ferocity that say they initially did in twenty sixteen when

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Speaker 6: Trump's team were in twenty seventeen, rather when Trump's team

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Speaker 6: took over, you know, I think that they may ease

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Speaker 6: into it a little more. Again, we'll see where where

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Speaker 6: this goes with deportations. I still believe that as those

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Speaker 6: ramp up, that's going to become a centerpiece of the

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Speaker 6: resistance to Trump, such as such as it will be.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think also, I know you've you've mentioned this, Clay,

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Speaker 6: the Biden State Departments. His farewell address at the State

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Speaker 6: Department is going to be defending his foreign policy legacy.

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Speaker 6: Has it?

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Speaker 2: Has it kicked off yet? I don't think it started yet.

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Speaker 2: Has it?

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Speaker 6: We're on the air as this is going not yet. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: he's a little late. It was supposed to start around too,

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Speaker 6: but it's Biden. So they got to wake him up.

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Speaker 6: They got to get him some apple juice. They got

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Speaker 6: to probably give him a shot of something to get him,

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Speaker 6: you know, get his eyes open and look with some clarity.

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Speaker 2: So he's going to give a speech, but they are

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Speaker 2: hopefully going to be.

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Speaker 6: Announcing a pretty major breakthrough with the release of hostages

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Speaker 6: from Hamas. That is the expect the expectation, right, is

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Speaker 6: that that's what's going to be announced in this speech,

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Speaker 6: some some degree of hostage swap and or a hostage trade.

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Speaker 6: And I think that that's Biden's attempting. Look, we want

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Speaker 6: all the hostages free. We want the hostages home. So

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Speaker 6: good news is good news, no matter what. Of course,

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Speaker 6: it's tragic that it's so few hostages. It should have

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Speaker 6: been all of them. It should have been done a

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Speaker 6: long time ago. But I think that it's it's a

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Speaker 6: it's an incredibly meek and almost chastened Biden white House

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Speaker 6: that is handing over the reins here. They're really desperate

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Speaker 6: for some kind of legacy to latch onto. That's something

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Speaker 6: that they can say, look what we did, and look

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Speaker 6: what we have to be proud of.

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Speaker 2: I think it's you know what I mean. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a remarkably weak.

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Speaker 6: Record that they're trying to trying to doll up a

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Speaker 6: bit here in the final stages, and it just goes

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Speaker 6: to the overall Democrat lack of leadership, lack of message.

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Speaker 6: I've never seen the Democrat Party as a brand look

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Speaker 6: as depressed as it does right now. And I know

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Speaker 6: that it's temporary. I'm not deluding myself into thing this

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Speaker 6: is going to last forever.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 1: But right now they're at a Nator good word. Look,

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Speaker 1: I do think you also have to give a lot

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Speaker 1: of credit. Again, we're getting a little bit ahead of

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Speaker 1: this speech, but there are reports that there are going

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Speaker 1: to be somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty some odd

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Speaker 1: hostages that are going to be released in Gaza by Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Trump saying that there's going to be hell to pay

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Speaker 1: if these hostages were not released before he came into office.

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Speaker 1: Buck I think is actually the impetus to the extent

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Speaker 1: that we get a result behind that, because I think

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Speaker 1: much of the Middle East fears Trump in the wake

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Speaker 1: of his assassination of Solomony, and there's talk already about hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Iran going forward? Hezbola, you

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Speaker 1: have a ceasefire in the North, now do you get

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Speaker 1: one with Hamas. I think that Trump's victory has created

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Speaker 1: negotiating power for Israel. And I know this because the

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Speaker 1: Israelis told it to me when I was over there

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Speaker 1: last month in December. They said that Trump's election fundamentally

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Speaker 1: altered that the hostage negotiations because there was an understanding

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Speaker 1: that you're not going to get Kamala Harris, who's trying

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Speaker 1: to placate the left of her base that just doesn't

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Speaker 1: frankly care that much about what happens to Jews that

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Speaker 1: Trump was going to come in and reak havoc if necessary.

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Speaker 6: There's something very clear here, and it's something that all

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Speaker 6: of MAGA and Trump voters can be quite proud of,

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Speaker 6: which is that there is no pross wing of of

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Speaker 6: Trump voting world.

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Speaker 2: This is not a thing doesn't exist.

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Speaker 6: There's there's no contingent that Trump is trying to play

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Speaker 6: Kate on the right that thinks that Hamas is a

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Speaker 6: glorious resistance to tyranny organization or something right That is

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Speaker 6: a thing on the left. As we all know, it

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Speaker 6: was a big problem for the Democrats in this last

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Speaker 6: election cycle. We saw it with the with the protests

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Speaker 6: on college campuses. There is a pro Hamas wing of

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Speaker 6: the Democrat party and that's gone now. So anything that

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Speaker 6: the US can and and and would do going forward,

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Speaker 6: uh to put greater pre to really support Israel and

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Speaker 6: you know, allow Israel to do what it needs to do.

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Speaker 6: Hamas knows that that's happening now. So there's a new

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Speaker 6: sheriff in town and his name is Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Well, not only that, remember the the Hitler taught We

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Speaker 1: got some funny clips for you about Democrats freaking out

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Speaker 1: still in their mind. Remember that Trump would have won

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Speaker 1: Israel if Israel were voting as a United States state

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Speaker 1: by a margin similar to what he won West Virginia

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Speaker 1: and Wyoming by I mean we're talking about like seventy

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Speaker 1: thirty if Israelis were voting for who the next United

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Speaker 1: States president should be, Which is why the whole idea

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Speaker 1: of oh, this guy's Hitler, Like I don't think Hitler's

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Speaker 1: that popular at Israel. Just going to toss that out there,

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Speaker 1: he would have won. Trump would have on the same

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Speaker 1: I think if we get that news, I think Trump

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in here to Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 6: You got president, I almost said former President Biden almost

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Speaker 6: there not trying to get ahead of.

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Speaker 1: Things, thankfully, I'm one week thankfully seven days. Yeah, one

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Speaker 1: one week left here Biden soon to be ex president

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Speaker 1: Biden giving a speech right now where he is touting

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Speaker 1: his foreign policy accomplishments. Twenty three of thirty two NATO

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Speaker 1: allies spending two percent on defense.

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Speaker 2: So, okay, I.

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Speaker 6: Bet of the what's my math here? Of the nine

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Speaker 6: that aren't, I bet there's some of the bigger ones.

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Speaker 6: But put that aside. No, but no one's really all

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Speaker 6: that focused in on this. But here's what I will say. Gosh,

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Speaker 6: I was going to say in Biden's defense. I can't

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Speaker 6: believe I'm going to say that out loud, but I

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Speaker 6: am Clay. You know, we keep it real here. I

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Speaker 6: think that Joe Biden, getting up in front of the

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Speaker 6: camera right now, giving this closing speech at the State Department,

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Speaker 6: in his last week as president, I think that he

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Speaker 6: still feels very much vindicated by in a sense, by

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Speaker 6: the loss that Kamala had. I think he views himself

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Speaker 6: as a winner still, even though he got pushed out

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Speaker 6: by his own party. I think that he views his

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Speaker 6: legacy as one to zero against Trump. And you know,

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Speaker 6: if he had been in there again, I'm speaking from

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Speaker 6: the Biden perspective, but you could see this guy up

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Speaker 6: there into the degree that he looks not particularly vacant

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Speaker 6: and present. I think that Biden feels like his legacy

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Speaker 6: is in much better shape than say, Kamala Harris is

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Speaker 6: at this stage, and it's in better shape than it

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Speaker 6: would have been for him had he lost the big bout.

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Speaker 6: So you know, this is probably an overly charitable view

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Speaker 6: of Biden, but again, from his perspective, he's not the

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Speaker 6: guy that got annihilated in the general election and led

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Speaker 6: to to this current state where it's really a leaderless

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Speaker 6: Democrat party. I think he believes again this is my

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Speaker 6: Biden interpretation, Clay, I think he believes that history will

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Speaker 6: look bit I'm talking about from the Democrat perspective, will

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Speaker 6: look more kindly on him in this election cycle, and

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Speaker 6: it will look more and more to people like they

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Speaker 6: should have.

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Speaker 2: Backed Biden all along.

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Speaker 6: I'm just this is where I think his mind is

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Speaker 6: as he's closing the books here.

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Speaker 1: I think by so, I always like to say it's

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Speaker 1: hard to predict recent future history, meaning we got a

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Speaker 1: lot right looking at twenty twenty four, it's very hard

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Speaker 1: to predict hey, forty years from now, sixty hundred years

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Speaker 1: from now, how will people look back on the Biden

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Speaker 1: presidency With that in mind, Here's why I think he's

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Speaker 1: actually going to continue to look worse and worse. What

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Speaker 1: did Biden do that in retrospect could look really smart?

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 2: George W. Bush.

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Speaker 1: I think, personally, this is my personal opinion, utterly failed

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Speaker 1: in the money that he spent in Iraq and to

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Speaker 1: a large extent, Afghanistan. We should never have gone to

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Speaker 1: war in Iraq. But one hundred years from now, buck,

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Speaker 1: if suddenly the Middle East becomes a flourishing, democrat, human

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Speaker 1: rights laden outpost of civilization, people may.

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Speaker 2: Look back at George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush and say, you know what, his decision to go

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Speaker 1: to war in Iraq, even though it got criticized at

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Speaker 1: the time, was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Historically, I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: But if there were the seeds that Bush helped to create,

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Speaker 1: and they flourished in Iraq becomes a democracy that is

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Speaker 1: the envy of countries around the Middle East, and everybody

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Speaker 1: moves in that direction, you could look at that and say,

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Speaker 1: what seeds did Biden plant that you can look at

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Speaker 1: during his four years and say, boy, this looks really

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Speaker 1: bad right now, but it could flourish fifty or one

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Speaker 1: hundred years from now. I can't even think of anything

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Speaker 1: that he could look better at in retrospect.

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Speaker 6: I think that Biden's presidency will largely be Now Again,

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Speaker 6: I was saying from I'm thinking about this from the

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Speaker 6: Democrat branding perspective, totally totally understandable perspective of what are

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Speaker 6: the names that you know, we've lived in this world,

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Speaker 6: Clay for twenty years now where it's well, I mean,

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Speaker 6: the Obamas are more recent, but it's Clinton, Obama, Kennedy,

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Speaker 6: and now Biden has become a name, one of the

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Speaker 6: big Democrat names out there.

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Speaker 2: He's been president for four years.

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Speaker 6: And they're going to want to have some kind of

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Speaker 6: a legacy going forward to rally around on their side.

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Speaker 6: Biden's presidency I think is very inconsequential in many ways

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Speaker 6: because I don't think that Biden's presidency was anything other

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Speaker 6: than the machine running right. The Democratic Party was making

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Speaker 6: a lot of the decisions. But here's what I would say, they,

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Speaker 6: you know, the big disaster of the Biden years in

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Speaker 6: a sense, again, if you're a Democrat, is the win

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Speaker 6: that Donald Trump just had and Biden's not really I

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Speaker 6: think that he's gonna be viewed as not really responsible

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Speaker 6: for it. Yes, So I think his party made the

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Speaker 6: decision to shove him aside, and people are going to

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Speaker 6: look at this and they're going to say that was

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Speaker 6: you never push out.

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Speaker 2: An incumbent president.

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Speaker 6: It was a huge, huge mistake because it's also sacrificed

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Speaker 6: Kamala Harris's political future in the process too. You see,

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Speaker 6: it is the worst possible world what they did. Push

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Speaker 6: out your incumbent, serve up Kamala to get absolutely destroyed.

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Speaker 2: Now what do they have?

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Speaker 1: Yes, So I think the criticism is going to end

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Speaker 1: up bouncing back on by In and his team saying

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Speaker 1: he should have never announced that he was running, That

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Speaker 1: that was reckless, and that was the sin. The only

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Speaker 1: things that I could say, like and I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: think like fifty years down the horizon, you see where

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Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan said that. Jake Sullivan said, well, one reason

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Speaker 1: we're not getting a lot of credit right now is

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Speaker 1: because we made so many decisions that in the decades

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Speaker 1: to come will look brilliant. And I'm paraphrasing him, but

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Speaker 1: basically I'm trying to look and say, okay, let's be generous.

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Speaker 1: What did Biden do. I can see historians saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: he beat COVID.

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Speaker 2: That's not accurate.

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Speaker 1: COVID was going to go away, as you and I

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Speaker 1: talked about, because the natural flow of virus, whether Trump

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Speaker 1: was in office or Biden like so, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they can make that argument. That could be one of

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Speaker 1: their arguments. Then they could say, I guess the withdrawal

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Speaker 1: from Afghanistan, even though it was a disaster, was the

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Speaker 1: right one. They can say, hey, we stood up against

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Speaker 1: Russia in the battle with Ukraine and we kept Vladimir

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Speaker 1: Putin from what being Hitler and going into like Belarus

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Speaker 1: and other countries. I don't you buy that. That could

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Speaker 1: be their argument. They could say, hey, in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: October seventh really made it hard. Remember Jake Sullivan said,

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Speaker 1: We've never seen a quieter Middle East, and one week later,

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Speaker 1: October seventh happen. So I think it's hard to argue.

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Speaker 1: But they can say, hey, we stood behind Israel and

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Speaker 1: that helps set the foundation. My point is, I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to make long range Biden

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Speaker 1: made a big difference arguments. I think Biden is Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter just died, and everybody's reassessing the difference is,

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Speaker 1: unlike Jimmy Carter, Biden's not going to have a post

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Speaker 1: presidency where he creates habitats for humanity and does a

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Speaker 1: lot of global jet setting to try to make up

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Speaker 1: for the fact that he was a bad president.

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Speaker 6: I think, unless my major advances in biogenetics, I.

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Speaker 1: Think I think Biden is Jimmy Carter without the Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Carter post presidency, which actually means Biden is the worst

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Speaker 1: president in any of our lives. And I think, again,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking historically, not right now. I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: decades into the future. I just see very few things

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Speaker 1: that in retrospect somebody can point to and today, boy

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Speaker 1: he got ripped, but he got this.

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Speaker 6: See I'll I'll throw this out there. First of all,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think Barack Obama set in motion the

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Speaker 6: entire leftward tilt of the country that really just crashed

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Speaker 6: into the wall of Trump in this past election with

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Speaker 6: all of the most insane left wing stuff you can

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Speaker 6: trace back to the Obama administration and to the early

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Speaker 6: years of Obama. So I you know, to the beginnings

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Speaker 6: of obamasm So I would say Obama's the worst president

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Speaker 6: of the century by far. I think, far more destructive

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Speaker 6: and far more consequential in his destruction than what we've

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Speaker 6: seen now.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, eight years versus four years. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a year.

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Speaker 1: You could point to Obama and say he killed Osama

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Speaker 1: bin Laden, Right, most presidents.

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Speaker 6: You can point to Joe Biden and say he's the

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Speaker 6: president who in twenty years of the Iraq I mean

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Speaker 6: of the Afghanistan war, just said enough is enough and

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Speaker 6: he ended the war.

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Speaker 2: I know, well, that's the afghan argument.

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Speaker 1: But that's what they're gonna say, that's the Afghanistan argument

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Speaker 1: you can make in twenty forty to fifty years. Here's

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Speaker 1: why I think Jimmy Carter is the appropriate analogy. Historically,

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Speaker 1: Again we're history nerds here. Jimmy Carter really got elected

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Speaker 1: because of Watergate, right, because Gerald Ford pardoned because Gerald

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Speaker 1: Ford made the decision to pardon Richard Nixon, and Carter

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Speaker 1: narrowly got in in seventy six as the ultimate Washington outsider,

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Speaker 1: and there was an anger associated with the Nixon end

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Speaker 1: of that era, and Ford tried to run. Ford, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is a good guy who historically most people

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Speaker 1: have said, Yeah, that was the right decision to pardon Nixon.

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Speaker 1: The country benefited, he lost in the short term. Carter

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Speaker 1: is somewhat of an accidental president as a result. I

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Speaker 1: think Joe Biden is an accidental president because of COVID,

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Speaker 1: because Democrats used COVID, much like they did Watergate, to

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Speaker 1: get a otherwise never electable guy in to office, and

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Speaker 1: then much like in nineteen eighty, Reagan came in and

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Speaker 1: just swept out Carter. I think Trump re emerging in

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Speaker 1: twenty four and sweeping out Biden makes the analogy between

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden. Then you can toss in

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Speaker 1: the selection yours inflation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but this election was a lot closer than Carter

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Speaker 6: the Reagan just to I mean, I think it's well worth.

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Speaker 2: To be fair.

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Speaker 1: The Carter Reagan example was supposed to be very close.

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Speaker 1: And this is actually we're a little bit scary. Is

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Speaker 1: it possible to have a truly Reagan era whipping of

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Speaker 1: anybody who's a Democrat, even if they're an awful candidate.

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Speaker 6: You know, the country is dug in in a way

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Speaker 6: now where people will continue to stay with party. I

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Speaker 6: think almost irrespective of results. I believe this of Democrats

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Speaker 6: they would say it's true. Republicans too, I would disagree,

960
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Speaker 6: but I think that, yes, the polarization of the country

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Speaker 6: is a reality. The Democrat Party has moved far to

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Speaker 6: the left compared to what it was even a few

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Speaker 6: decades ago. Look, I'm just trying to sort of see

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Speaker 6: what the messaging is here from. I mean, Biden's trying

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Speaker 6: to tell us how the US is so strong and

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Speaker 6: the foreign policy front where so strong.

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Speaker 2: Things are great. It's a weak argument, Clay, I get it.

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Speaker 6: I'm just trying to figure out what the Democrat to

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Speaker 6: do with this, because they need something to rally or someone,

970
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Speaker 6: some brand to rally around. It's by way, it's not

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Speaker 6: going to be Obama going forward. It's not going to

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Speaker 6: be a Clinton going forward. They are so leaderless and

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Speaker 6: without messaging at this point too, because the whole last year,

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Speaker 6: the messaging wasn't you know, we got to finish the

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Speaker 6: job with the middle class and get more. It was

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Speaker 6: Trump is hitler, let's prosecute him. And then the country said, actually,

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Speaker 6: we kind of like this guy. Let's give him four

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Speaker 6: more years. I don't know how they come back from that.

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Speaker 6: And I think Biden is running around doing his version

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Speaker 6: of you know, the farewell tour based on foreign policy

981
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Speaker 6: because you know who really, you know, it's not going

982
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Speaker 6: to be No one really cares that much about what

983
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 6: Biden says at this stage, so he's just trying to

984
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Speaker 6: have put some put some nice flowery of words together

985
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Speaker 6: in his defense.

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Speaker 1: Let me put something out there that points to how

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Speaker 1: hard the history can be to predict, even in the

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Speaker 1: short term, to say nothing of decades into the future.

989
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Speaker 1: You and I were not on together as a team yet.

990
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: If on January seventh, the day after January sixth, twenty

991
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Speaker 1: twenty one, I had come on and I'd said, hey,

992
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Speaker 1: things look bad for Trump now, But I'm telling you

993
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: January twenty twenty five, Trump is going to win the

994
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Speaker 1: popular vote, the biggest Republican win since nineteen eighty eight.

995
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Speaker 1: Every single person in America just about would have called

996
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: me a moron, not crazy, not dissimilar from normal, and

997
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: that would have been a headline everywhere four years later

998
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Speaker 1: that all had happened. So while you think about Kamala,

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Speaker 1: I'll just say in winter, so to speak, She's not

1000
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Speaker 1: in as bad of a spot right now as Trump

1001
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Speaker 1: was on January seventh, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 6: I see, this is kind of what I was getting

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 6: at Clay. I think that there'll be some Biden nostalgia

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Speaker 6: within a couple of years. This is what I mean,

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Speaker 6: I think. And then Biden knows that, and they're gonna

1006
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Speaker 6: they're gonna go with it. They're gonna pretend you're gonna say,

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Speaker 6: you know, he was a steady hand and you know

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Speaker 6: things are okay, because.

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Speaker 2: They's gonna need something.

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Speaker 1: Kamala's team has to convince the nation over the next

1011
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Speaker 1: two years that but for Biden's decision to wait to

1012
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: step down, she would have beaten Trump. That's her argument

1013
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: for why she deserves to be the nominee in twenty

1014
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: eight I think it's wrong because I think Kamala the

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Speaker 1: more time people spend with her, the less they like her.

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Speaker 1: But there's gonna be a battle over who is to

1017
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Speaker 1: blame for twenty twenty four, and Kamala's people need it

1018
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: to be Biden, and Biden's people need it to be

1019
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Speaker 1: common And.

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Speaker 6: That That's really what I'm trying to get out here

1021
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Speaker 6: with Biden is I think laying the groundwork for in

1022
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Speaker 6: the future Democrats to feel like it was Kamala's fault, right,

1023
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Speaker 6: this is the whole thing. It's it's in the fault.

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Speaker 1: Remember in the debate Republican debate, We're about to go

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Speaker 1: to break but when suddenly Nicky Haley like pulled out

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Speaker 1: a knife and metaphorically stabbed Tim Scott. And they were

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Speaker 1: like close friends to that point, and Tim Scott's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go here. But they were so similar, both

1029
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Speaker 1: South Carolina Republicans that one or the other had to survive.

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Speaker 1: And Nicky Haley had the knife in her hand and

1031
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Speaker 1: just gutted Tim Scott on the stage metaphorically speaking, that's

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Speaker 1: what's gonna have to happen, Biden, Kamala, one of them

1033
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Speaker 1: is gonna have to get get a knife.

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Speaker 2: And just it was like Tim Scott such a nice guy.

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Speaker 2: What just happened? He's so nice?

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Speaker 1: And what Nicky Haley ended up surviving the longest. She

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Speaker 1: was the last, you know, the last executioner you know

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Speaker 1: in that respects, Like what does she gain? But she

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Speaker 1: had to do that, I think to get to the

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Speaker 1: that choice at some point.

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