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Speaker 1: But let's waste no time and go to high school

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Speaker 1: state champion, college football champion, drafted in the NFL. He

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Speaker 1: now has a podcast which came out last week. His

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Speaker 1: first guest might have just landed a pretty big recruit

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Speaker 1: Steve sarkisian. Uh. Greg McElroy. Uh, you can hear him

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Speaker 1: always college football five days a week. Now, what's up man?

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Speaker 1: How you doing all good man? No, I appreciated it

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Speaker 1: would be Uh, it would be real fun. Unfortunately, because

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Speaker 1: of the rules that are in place right now, it's

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Speaker 1: like the only rule that still exists when it comes

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Speaker 1: to recruiting, it feels like. Uh. Sark could not quite

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Speaker 1: every day before we get into Sark. I actually saw

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Speaker 1: people that say they're uncomfortable at practice or in the meetings,

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Speaker 1: Like how do you get on a guy? I don't

428
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 1: want him to hate me and then he leaves. It's

429
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Speaker 1: it's created in football naturally, there's lot of you know,

430
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a contentious environment sometimes. So it's

431
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a slippery slope where we're at right now

432
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Speaker 1: in a game that I know, I know you love

433
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 1: and I do too. It's just kind of been a

434
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Speaker 1: weird place. Dirty might even be the wrong word. It's

435
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: just it's a little off kilter and something has to

436
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 1: be fixed someway or some somehow right. It just feels

437
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 1: a little unnatural. I mean, I just any time, but

438
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: change is hard. Those that are previewing the demise of

439
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 1: college football, I just I don't see it that way.

440
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: And you know, I still think college football. I love

441
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: the sport because I love the competition each and every Saturday.

442
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 1: Like I don't care when they run through the tunnel

443
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: and their respective stadium wearing their uniforms, alternates or you know,

444
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: traditionals whatever, Like when Texas players run out of the

445
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 1: tunnel and Oklahoma players are on the other sideline. The

446
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: stadium split half of its crimson cream half it's burn orange. Like,

447
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't care how much the quarterbacks making. I don't

448
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: think about that way. I think about my team and

449
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: I want to support my team to help them win.

450
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Speaker 1: When I flip on, you know, Washington State against Washington

451
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 1: in the Apple Cup, I don't think about the fact

452
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: that the quarterback for Washington State is a transfer from

453
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Speaker 1: incarnate Ward, who is really one of the first guys

454
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Speaker 1: that was you know, given legitimate n I L situation

455
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Speaker 1: by way of transfer. Like I don't like to think

456
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: about that. I was like, oh man, that guy's a

457
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: great player, Like it's fun to watch him play at

458
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: the highest level against the best competition. Like that's that's

459
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Speaker 1: how I'm always going to view it. And I think

460
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Speaker 1: you can get as deep in the weeds as you

461
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,919
Speaker 1: want to get. But what we all love football for

462
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 1: is the spirit of competition, the physical presence that's along

463
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: both lines of scrimmage, the precision that you see from quarterbacks,

464
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Speaker 1: the athleticism that you see from defensive players, running backs,

465
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers, etcetera. Like that's what we truly love football.

466
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Speaker 1: For Um, if you want to get into the contracts

467
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: and you want to get into n I L, you

468
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 1: want to get into the transfer, you want to get

469
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 1: into the business side of things, by all means, without question,

470
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: there's an appetite for that for a lot of people.

471
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Speaker 1: But I also think that will turn off a lot

472
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: of people too. So to get as involved as you

473
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: want to get, UM, we're gonna cover it for sure.

474
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: It's it's part of what we'll talk about on a

475
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: daily basis, but it certainly will be a much smaller

476
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: percentage of the content of our conversation because I know

477
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 1: that a lot of people still love the game for

478
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: the game, uh, and that's where our focus is mostly

479
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: going to be. Well, big story the other day, I'm

480
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area and right down the street from

481
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: me is Pittsburgh, California, and Nagi Harris lived right there too,

482
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Speaker 1: And obviously he went to Alabama. And this quarterback named

483
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: Jaden who's going to Miami. There were rumors that, you know,

484
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: he got ten eleven million dollars, and he came out

485
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: and said that it's totally false. You're living in the

486
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Speaker 1: heart of n I L and the people going back

487
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Speaker 1: and forth. I mean, first and foremost, are these numbers

488
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Speaker 1: just not correct? And to how crazy? Is it a

489
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: flawed So you got to consider the source to write UM,

490
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of the numbers are coming from representation

491
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Speaker 1: and agencies, uh in effort, I think to drive up

492
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: the price of their next client. Um. The numbers that

493
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: I've heard from division one schools. Uh, there are ten

494
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Speaker 1: percent of the aforementioned eleven million dollars. And that is

495
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Speaker 1: like on the ultimate high side, like the ultimate that's

496
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Speaker 1: a million, that's a million dollars. Still it's a lot

497
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Speaker 1: of money. That's a lot of money. There's no denied

498
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Speaker 1: that that's that, it's a lot of money. But that

499
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Speaker 1: is like the highest to that that's the top half

500
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Speaker 1: of one percent is maybe making million dollars. There might

501
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Speaker 1: be ten players in the country, uh that are that

502
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: have legitimate million dollar deals. I don't know the specific numbers, UM,

503
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: but it's small. But but it's really small. Like I

504
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: know for a fact, like some of these people saying

505
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Speaker 1: all the collectives are aiming to raise between eight and

506
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Speaker 1: ten million dollars, Well, I have it on fairly good

507
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: you know authority that most collectives that I've talked to

508
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: and the most people that are connected to collectives across

509
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 1: scholars football, their goal is to raise a million dollars.

510
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: Lot of them's goals to raise one point seven million

511
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: dollars because they want to be able to pay every

512
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: scholarship player twenty thousand dollars. So the average college football

513
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: players probably making in the vicinity of average scholarship college

514
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: football player I might at probably making somewhere in the

515
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Speaker 1: vicinity of ten thousand dollars. So that's power five. Probably

516
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: at some of the smaller school is probably considerably less

517
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: than that. How about this will Anderson um who played

518
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: at Alabama. Some might argue he's the best player in

519
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: the country. Last year his n i L he was

520
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: little dealings last year. Yeah, I wouldn't push back if

521
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: you said he was. I think he's certainly in the

522
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Speaker 1: conversation and if you would have given him the Heisman Trophy,

523
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Speaker 1: you would have found no pushback from me. Uh he

524
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Speaker 1: made a grand total of zero dollars via n i

525
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: L s year zero. Um. Some players just aren't they're

526
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: not interested in why why is that? He turns it down?

527
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't want it, doesn't didn't want it. Now it

528
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: might be different this year. I'm not sure. I you know,

529
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard anything publicly about what he's capable of earning,

530
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: but I know he had ample opportunities last year and

531
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: said it was a distraction. You didn't want to can

532
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: to do with it? Like he's just wired differently. You know,

533
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: he's not that not that that's praising him or you know,

534
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: discouraging him or saying he's crazy or anything like that,

535
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: but just some guys aren't motivated by it. Some guys

536
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: don't care about it. They know their money will come

537
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: at the next level, or they know their money will

538
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: come down the line, you know, consistent performance. Some guys

539
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: are just wired that way. So I don't think the

540
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: numbers are as extravagant as some people like to suggest. Um.

541
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the coaches are trying to

542
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: kind of push down what's expected on the recruiting trail

543
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: now because you start getting I mean, like it's absurd.

544
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: What do you tell your guy, for instance, what do

545
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: you tell let's say Tyler Van Dyke at Miami. Let's

546
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: say he's there next year and this Rashota guy shows up, Well,

547
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: he's supposed to making nine and a half million dollars

548
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: from what is Tyler van Dyke Nagan he's starting a quarterback,

549
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: Like I mean, so I think I think that's where, um,

550
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: the representation is going wild and there's no clarity, there's

551
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: no transparency. I personally think the best thing to police this,

552
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: like you talked about with the salary cap or hey

553
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: we gotta have some rules. The best way to police

554
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: this right now is having a freedom of information somehow

555
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: being able to open up the numbers, open up the

556
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: books on what these guys are actually making and why

557
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: they're making what they're making. Because if you're doing a

558
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: television hit for thirty seconds on TV at radio hit,

559
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: for instance, and you're getting thirty dollars for that radio hit,

560
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: well that's not fair market value. Like something's up. So

561
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: I think transparency would go a long way and policing this,

562
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: and um, it's something that I hope that we can

563
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: somehow figure out down the road. Well, that's how it

564
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: works in the NFL, right A. J. Brown, Deebo Samuel,

565
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: They sign a contract. It's fake at first, but then

566
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: within a couple of days we know exactly what the

567
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: true numbers are and no one can be like, well,

568
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: he's actually making seven million dollars. No, he's he signed

569
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: for forty five million dollars. Truly, guy, right, that was

570
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't that everyone's Reactually the homes signed for four

571
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: fifty Like, hang on, some wait what he signed for?

572
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: What it's baseball money? Totally agree up, we had. I

573
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: was at Fresno State when Jim mclwaine left. We were

574
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: talking about this before we hopped on and I remember

575
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: hearing a bunch of stories because you guys hadn't become

576
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: Alabama quite yet. I mean, I think it was like

577
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: saving second or third year, and that was the year.

578
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: I think you ended up losing in the SEC championship,

579
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: and then the following year you won the national championship.

580
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: But the first recruit, he gets the job like a limo,

581
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: picks him up and they go to recruit Julio Jones,

582
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: and I would say in my adult life, and I'm

583
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: like you, I don't follow recruiting that close. But there

584
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: are certain players arch Manning, but I would say Jadeveon

585
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: Clowney and Julio Jones were number one recruits, can't miss guys.

586
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: And then Julio probably more than Clowney. You got to

587
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: play with Julio Jones. Do you remember the first time

588
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: that you saw Julio Jones on campus and then when

589
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: you realize, holy shit, this guy is gonna kick everyone's ass. Well,

590
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: it's funny because Jones, you know, he's like a thoroughbread

591
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to like just how physically posing he is.

592
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: Like I remember pretty vividly when he walked in the

593
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: locker and we're all, you know, we're all pretty excited.

594
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: He was not, if I remember correctly, he was not

595
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: a January en rollie. So he came in with the

596
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: rest of the recruiting class. Back then, guys didn't show

597
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: up early because he's from Alabama too, right, Yeah, he's

598
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: from Foley, Alabama, So he's from down in the Mobile area, uh,

599
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: in Baldwin County. So he he's I mean key walks

600
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: in the locker room and really was the entire two

601
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,719
Speaker 1: thousand and eight recruiting class for Alabama. And you can

602
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: go through the list. Marcel Darius, uh you know, Julio Jones, Um,

603
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: you know Robert Lester, Dante high Tower. Like you just

604
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: go through the list of that two thousand recruiting class.

605
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: There it was ridiculous. Like they're just a ridiculous group.

606
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: So many guys that just I mean nails, absolutely nails,

607
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: like Chance Warmack, like just so so many guys that

608
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: were great. Long story short, I remember walking in that

609
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: first day of summer, and you know, we had pretty

610
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: decent looking players like Rolando McClain was on the roster

611
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: at that point. You know, guys that Andre Smith was

612
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: on the roster at that point. Um, you know guys

613
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: that end up playing a really long time in the

614
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: league and got drafted really high, and you know, we're

615
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: talented dudes in their own right. But I remember walking

616
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: in be like, who the heck is that guy? Like

617
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: I've never I've never never, I mean heard of you

618
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: in recruiting. Your name is Mike Williams, like six eight

619
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: to seventy, Like who are you? Like, are you a

620
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: walk on? Like the best looking guy on the team

621
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: was recruited into this oh a recruiting class and no

622
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: one heard of him. You know. It's like and he's

623
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: like six eight with like long arms and like, dude,

624
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: you look like flew like jacked um and then Jones

625
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: you see him and it's like at seventeen years old,

626
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: he was the most physically impressive kid I had ever seen. UM.

627
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean in that locker room at

628
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: that time, you got mark Ingram, you got I mean,

629
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: you got all these great players. I mean guys that

630
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: went on to have great careers and guys that have

631
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: made a lot of money and had great college careers

632
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: and whatnot. And but Julio was such a man amongst

633
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: boys in high school that even in college, he was

634
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: a man amongst boys. And I can remember vividly John

635
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: Parker Wilson was our quarterback at the time, and we

636
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: were at seven on seven and it was funny because

637
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: every single route that mcwain would want us to run,

638
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: because we you know, we would basically have like a

639
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: call list, Like they wouldn't give us a sheet because

640
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: that was illegal. But like you you just wander past

641
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: mcawain's office and there's like eight plays on the board, Like, okay,

642
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: I guess those are the eight players are running today,

643
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: So we'd write them down like all right, sounds good.

644
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: Every single one basically had Julio as the number one

645
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver. UM, So it's like, all right, how many

646
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: looks are we going to get this guy? He's listed

647
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: as the backup X right now, and yet every ball

648
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: is going to him or designed to go to him,

649
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: and he made it right more often than not. I mean,

650
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: you could tell he was going to be a Hall

651
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: of Famer um pretty early. And if not for a

652
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: couple of nagging inje reason his first two years on campus,

653
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: I think it would have completely rewritten the record books

654
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: at Alabama, and uh probably would have done so in

655
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: just three years. I think what's cool about your story

656
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: is it feels like, you know, it honestly feels like

657
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Nick's been there for like thirty years. Uh. But and

658
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: so many of these guys, right they knew Nick. He

659
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: starts recruiting them at fifteen, sixteen years old. You know,

660
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper, whoever, you know, you go to these camps.

661
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: You were already in the program, so you saw what

662
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: it looked like before him his first day on the office,

663
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: and then what it took look like to get to

664
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: the mountaintop. Do you remember his first team meeting or

665
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: maybe your first experience with him, maybe a call to

666
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: the office, and did you remember like calling your parents

667
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: and then like this is gonna be a different animal here.

668
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: Well we went for it was like polar opposites, you overcorrect, right,

669
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: So Mike Shielda was like the ultimate NFL like like

670
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: everything's great, you know, let's not work too hard, like

671
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: hey everyone like players coach right, like just hey, we're

672
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna take care of every buddy, like

673
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: everyone when you never want to feel good when they

674
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: go into the game on Saturday. Like Coach Saban was

675
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: basically like, if you survive this, you're gonna be great.

676
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: But you might not survive this. Like that's how hard

677
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: this offseason it was. I mean, and so we did

678
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter program um, and the fourth quarter program

679
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: notoriously is one of the most difficult offseason programs anywhere,

680
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: and everyone's doing some variation of it now. I mean,

681
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: it's it's all pretty similar. It's basically Matt drills, but

682
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: it's like that on steroids um where you're having to

683
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: run like two yard dashes and it's it's ludicrous. It

684
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: really is a difficult stretch of fourth quarter workouts is

685
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: like three weeks. That's like that is like nose to

686
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: the grindstone. If you can make it through three weeks,

687
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: Like all right, we're good, let's go into spring ball.

688
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: We're in great shape. Uh That first spring was six

689
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: weeks of fourth quarter workouts. Six weeks and it was

690
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: to the point like guys were quitting every day, like

691
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: this is this is the worst worst grind I've ever

692
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: been through. We started February one, we finished the middle

693
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: of March, and to this day, that was by far

694
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: the hardest six week period of my life in the

695
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: football uniform. Absolutely miserable this. I mean, our legs did

696
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: not recover the rest of the year. We lost our

697
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: last four games of the regular season, one of which

698
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: came against uh Louising to Monroe because the off season

699
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: was so impossible and we just never really recovered. But

700
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: we learned quickly, like who's going to be with us? Right?

701
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: It was one of those like hey, man, uh Junction

702
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: boys like you survive, We're gonna go and do some

703
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: special things here, but there's there's no guarantees here. And hey,

704
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: if you guys want out of your scholarship, please come

705
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: to my office a sap because we will use that

706
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: scholarship on a better player more than likely. So it

707
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: was it was really hard. The transition was really difficult,

708
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: but you could tell quickly, um that we were going

709
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: to have a really tough team. We're gonna have a

710
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: team that was totally bought in. Uh and prior to

711
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: his arrival, we were everything but that the program's obviously

712
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: played in legendary games over the stretch. But you know, again,

713
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm a California guy that the SEC has gotten so

714
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: big and I follow your guy's program. I would have

715
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: to imagine when the National Championship was enormous, but the

716
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: the SEC championship game and that was Tim Tebow's last game, correct,

717
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: and winning that thing has got to be one of

718
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: the bigger wins. I mean, anytime the first big win

719
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: is got to be right up there right just I

720
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: mean you you were in the game, but just since

721
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: following the program, where would you say that bad boy ranks?

722
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: And obviously the floodgates open. He never looked back. That

723
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: was probably still number one, Um Florida. They in that game. Uh,

724
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: they were. I don't you know when you're a player,

725
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: when you're a player like seven yeah were there are

726
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: seven and the like, I have no idea. All I

727
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: know is that like every time I would walk down,

728
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: like walk across the quad, people like we gotta over

729
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: this week, Greg, I'm like I don't know, you know,

730
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, I don't what are we favored? Like, yeah,

731
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean I have no idea, but I know this. Um,

732
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: that was a cool game because we had lost to

733
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: them in two thousand eight. We had a fourth quarter

734
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: lead in two thousand eight and we just could not

735
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: hang on. And it was basically the entire off season

736
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: was dedicated to figuring out, Okay, we have to do

737
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: just a little bit more because we were fifteen minutes

738
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: shy of being able to punch our tickets to the

739
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: National Championship game, and we got to do a little

740
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: bit more. And so a lot of the conversation in

741
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: the locker room was about Florida. They weren't on the

742
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: regular season schedule, uh, which, thinking back on, it's like,

743
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe we were talking about a team that

744
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: we weren't even scheduled to play. But when we got

745
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: to that game, it was almost as if we'd had

746
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: three sixty five days of frustration and preparation in order

747
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: to get over the hump. And we were watched miracle

748
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: the night before the game. Uh. Because Florida to us,

749
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: they were the Soviets, they were the gold standard. They

750
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: were the team that had been on top for a

751
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: very very long time. Uh, and most of our college careers,

752
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 1: they were the standard, uh with Urban Meyer and Tim

753
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: Tebow and Chris Leak and and Percy Harvin, all these

754
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: amazing players. So, um, they were looking at trying to

755
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: win three out of four and and we were the

756
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: only ones really standing in our way, and a lot

757
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: of people didn't really give us much of a chance.

758
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: They said that teams the rosters are comparable, the one

759
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: difference being the quarterback spot, where Florida has a massive advantage. UH.

760
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: So I took that personally, and and I had one

761
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 1: of the best games of my career that night as well.

762
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: So it was it was really emphatic because it was

763
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: a passing of the torch, and it really kind of

764
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: changed the landscape in college football. We thought, at least,

765
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, in the near term, but it's now gone

766
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: on for the better part of a deck eight and

767
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: a half. So it was a really special night. And

768
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I think it was a statement to all of college

769
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: football that there was a new sheriff in town. UH.

770
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: And to be a part of that, and knowing how

771
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: much we put into that game, UH, it was just incredibly,

772
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: incredibly uh satisfying to to finish the way that we did.

773
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: You mentioned something and I don't know if Nick quite

774
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: gets enough credit about this because it's all about football

775
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: and the big wins. But the movie night before games. Uh,

776
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: girl I'm dating asked me that, Hey, do you listen

777
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: to the new ed my Let podcast. They were talking

778
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: about Nick Saban. I'm like, I wonder who they had on,

779
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: like Greig Sanky or something. No, it was a guy

780
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: that had been in prison who speaks to the team,

781
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: and he's so good at getting all these guys to speak.

782
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: So I think Nick, you know, seven years old. He's

783
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: known as old school guy, but he does a lot

784
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: of progressive things that I don't. He's Ryan Leaf and

785
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: guys like that speak to the program every single year.

786
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: Is that like he's got pitches that other guys just

787
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: don't have in their bag. I I just think he's always,

788
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's always thinking about ways to do things different.

789
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: It's all about recruiting. Um. So if he can get

790
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, who I believe when spoke to the team

791
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: like a decade ago. I don't know he did exactly win, um,

792
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: but if he can get someone like that to speak

793
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: to the team, if he can get someone that would

794
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: leave a lasting impact on the players. And I know

795
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people kind of criticize Alabama, UM, saying

796
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: it's a football factory. And you know, I don't care

797
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: about this. They don't care about education. They don't. It's

798
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: really the furthest thing from the truth. There are so

799
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: many lessons that you learned. I think there's a lot

800
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: of programs like this that are unfairly characterized, but there

801
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: are so many things that you learn over the course

802
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: of being an athlete and spending time with successful people,

803
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: Coachavan being one of them. UM. So many ways that

804
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: you can apply, whether it be as a dad or

805
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: as a as someone that's working in business or you know,

806
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: a small company owner or whatever it may be. That

807
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: you learned so much in your four years at your

808
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: respective school, there's so many applicable things in sports are

809
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 1: the greatest teacher in the world. But when you have

810
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: people our greatest sports that are coming back to speak

811
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: to the team and impart lessons on you, UM, it's amazing.

812
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I shoot, we when we were in camp,

813
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: we were I mean we were probably one of the

814
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: first or like probably one of the first or second

815
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: groups that would start to have a camp speaker routine.

816
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: And we used to have guys that came in no

817
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: One like Kobe and you know the guys that have

818
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: come since. You know, we had guys I mean, had

819
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: amazing stories, amazing lessons, things that can be applied. And

820
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: then coach save It does a great job harnessing some

821
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: of the information from the speeches and bringing it up

822
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: over the course of the year when he feels like

823
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: it's applicable. Um. And that's why I think we watched

824
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: a miracle that night, because you know, uh, you know,

825
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: we put so much into we put so much into Florida.

826
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: We put so much into you know, preparing for Florida,

827
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: that like, hey, this is our one chance and we

828
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: gotta be perfect and we're gonna go get it done.

829
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: And we had talked about miracle earlier in the year. Um.

830
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Ironically enough, we talked to out of in reference not

831
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: having a letdown game because you put so much into

832
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: before in Mississippi State, you put so much into the

833
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: LSU game that you don't want to letdown. It wouldn't

834
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: mean anything if you lost Missippi State. The next week,

835
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: so we had reference it then then we watched it

836
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: again later in the year, so that was kind of

837
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: a you know, a theme that we had throughout the

838
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: season that he kept playing the hits from. So he's

839
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: very thoughtful in that regard, and I think that's part

840
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: of the reason why his team is always so inconsistent.

841
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: You have the talents ements, but he knows how to

842
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: press the right motivational buttons in order for you to

843
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: put forth the best effort that you can each and

844
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: every Saturday. Okay, before I getting you out of here,

845
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: I want to just go rapid fire on three quarterbacks,

846
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: just because you're a quarterback guy, and the hype on

847
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: these three definitely the two and then this third one,

848
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: who's the Kentucky's quarterback I think is pretty fascinating. But

849
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: let's start with the Alabama's quarterback. To me as former scout,

850
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: you see the picture last year at the Heisman, like

851
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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, C J. Stroud, and Bryce He's just not

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Speaker 1: very big. But then then you watch the NFL draft

853
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Speaker 1: all of the state of Georgia Gainst drafted all on defense.

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Speaker 1: You go, God, this guy was balling against those guys.

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Speaker 1: So what's your take on him. I mean, does he

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Speaker 1: have a chance to outdue CJ this year and be

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Speaker 1: the number one quarterback pick when it's all said and done.

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Speaker 1: I think it's tough. Um, I think he's great. Obviously. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's small, and I think a lot of teams will

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Speaker 1: will knock him because of his size. Um, But I

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Speaker 1: will say this, he's he's got great instincts. You know,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't get squared up very often. He's got a

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00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: great feel for pressure. Um, he knows when pressure is coming.

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Speaker 1: He also has a great understanding of protection. And for

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Speaker 1: a guy that's only two years out of high school,

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Speaker 1: last year, I mean, he always knew where the unblocked

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Speaker 1: defender was going to be. He had an answer always. Uh.

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Speaker 1: That comes from study. I think that comes from instincts. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: So he's one of those guys where I do think

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Speaker 1: his size will naturally be held against him. Um. I

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Speaker 1: get that. Like, if I'm a multibillionaire and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: invest the future of my franchise, I probably don't want

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Speaker 1: a guy that it would potential really be an injury

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00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: risk because he's slightly undersized. C J. Stroud is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know how is to

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Speaker 1: describe it pure. Yeah, he's just pure. I mean what

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Speaker 1: I just love his release, you know, I've I've just

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Speaker 1: always wondered, like I'm shoot when I was quote like,

879
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: I used to always try to like just just pitch it,

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00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: like like throwing darts, and uh, it just I couldn't

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00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: generate the velocity that he does. Like for the ball

882
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: to jump out of his hands with as much velocity

883
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: as it does while being as short and as quick

884
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: a release as he has, it just doesn't make It

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00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense from a physics standpoint. I don't know

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00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: how he does it. I mean, to generate that much

887
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: velocity is is amazing. Um it's like Ernie El's golf swing.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's very smooth, but he hits three d

889
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: were well almost like Rom's golf swing more or phenales

890
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Speaker 1: golf swing quick. But it was like it's like sawed off.

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00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how how the heck does he

892
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: generate a club speed, but he does it. I mean

893
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: it's like it looks like he's taking a half swing.

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00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: He looks like he's hitting a wedge. You know, it's

895
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit like that. But You're right, it's

896
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: just this this this power and this speed and this

897
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: and this explosiveness that is just kind of difficult to describe,

898
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Speaker 1: and it's it's difficult to relate to because just not

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Speaker 1: that many guys that can do it. I think that

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Speaker 1: he's extremely accurate on the underneath stuff. I think the

901
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: downfield stuff is is something that improved as the season

902
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: went along last year. Uh, he's got great physical ability

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Speaker 1: to where you can run and extend and move in

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Speaker 1: the pocket. I don't know if his instincts are quite

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Speaker 1: what Bryce's are, but of course as measurables are more

906
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Speaker 1: desirable than Bryce is measurable. So, uh, you know that

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Speaker 1: would be the one thing. Do you value the measurables

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Speaker 1: or you valued the instincts because you know that's kind

909
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Speaker 1: of where you might be able to create just a

910
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: little bit of a gap between the two. C J

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00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: being the measurables guy Bryce being more instinctive. Um, and

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Speaker 1: then as far as will Evis is concerned, I gotta

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Speaker 1: be honest, like, I just it's incomplete for me. Like

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of game, he's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of talent um and everyone now is looking

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Speaker 1: for a lot, probably too much. Um, everyone's trying to

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Speaker 1: find the next Josh Allen, you know, and everyone's trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out, all right, who's the big, physical guy

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00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 1: that's got a cannon that can run. Um, And maybe

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00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: he's a better runner than he is thrower at this point,

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Speaker 1: but we'll make like Josh Allen was a great runner

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Speaker 1: his rookie year, and look at how he's progressed. I

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Speaker 1: think everyone's shooting for the moon for a guy like that.

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Speaker 1: And I can understand why you would draw some parallels

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Speaker 1: between what Josh Allen was at Wyoming and what Will

926
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Speaker 1: Vis is at Kentucky. But man, I just it hasn't

927
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Speaker 1: all come together for me just yet. I need him.

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Speaker 1: I need to see him have a great year. UM.

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Speaker 1: A lot of hype around Tyler Van Dyke at Miami

930
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: two still just not enough games played. I mean, the

931
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Speaker 1: guy that I like a lot is a Virginia Brendan

932
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Speaker 1: Armstrong and he decided to come back, and there are

933
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Speaker 1: still parts of his game that he needs to progress.

934
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Speaker 1: But he's one that I thought had a really solid

935
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Speaker 1: year on a team that played no D fence whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: But he did a lot of really nice things. Um,

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Speaker 1: He's the one that's a little bit lost in the

938
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Speaker 1: shuffle too, that I think might might be a little

939
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Speaker 1: bit more on the radar as we as we fast

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Speaker 1: forward a year from now. He's a lefty, so he's

941
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Speaker 1: a little bit different. He's a little bit not not prototypical,

942
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Speaker 1: but I think he's got got solid games. So he

943
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Speaker 1: would be the other that I'd kind of thrust into

944
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Speaker 1: that conversation amongst those three as guys that I'm really

945
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Speaker 1: keeping a close eye on this year. When the dust sattle,

946
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: it was clear last year is a two horse race.

947
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Speaker 1: It does feel a little more open this year, does

948
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Speaker 1: it not? I think so. I mean as far as

949
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Speaker 1: as far as quarterbacks are concerned, I think it's gonna

950
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 1: be a really good class. You mentioned Keaton Slovis earlier

951
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Speaker 1: in the interview. Man, like Keaton Slovis, you would ask

952
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Speaker 1: Mick Shay and I used to text each other all

953
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Speaker 1: the time about, like, dude, Slovis you see that? Like?

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Speaker 1: I love Keaton Slovis. I think here he's a baller.

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00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: I think he's really good. Uh, and people have kind

956
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: of forgotten about what he is, So maybe he has

957
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: a big year at pitt We just saw you know,

958
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Speaker 1: a pit quarterback go number one overall. Um, So I

959
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: feel cautiously out to this thing about what he might

960
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: do as well. If he could stay healthy this year,

961
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Speaker 1: got banged up last year. If he can stay healthy

962
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: and eliminate the mental mistakes that plagued him in then

963
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Speaker 1: I think he might be a guy that's that's in

964
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Speaker 1: the mix there as a as a fringe first rounder

965
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Speaker 1: as well well. Greg. I appreciate all your time always

966
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: college football. You can go right now, listen to Sark

967
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: Bob bowlsby Lincoln's coming on Savings coming on that the

968
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: guests are gonna be fast and furious. Uh look forward

969
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: to watching you call games on TV this year like

970
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: you've been doing for years on ESPN. And uh again,

971
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: been been following your career for a long time. And

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Speaker 1: have a great rest of the summer, and let's get

973
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: ready for some college football. We're almost there, man. I

974
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Speaker 1: appreciate you having me, Thanks so much, No problem, Thanks

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Speaker 1: Broe the volume