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Speaker 1: in Frisco. As the twenty twenty one NFL Draft is
Speaker 1: in the rear view mirror, We've got our esselorson, it's
Speaker 1: got the Seymour do More role in except for Rob. Sorry. Rob,
Speaker 1: It's okay, It's okay. We'll get one of these one
Speaker 1: of these days. But the NFL Draft is in the
Speaker 1: rear view mirror. We've got plenty to talk about, and
Speaker 1: this should be a fun next hour, So stick with
Speaker 1: us because we're gonna break down not only the first round,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna talk about the rest of the draft,
Speaker 1: what happened on Day two, and then we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about even some of these undrafted free agents along the
Speaker 1: way and how these new Dallas Cowboys fit into the
Speaker 1: new system here in Frisco. Kyle Yeomen's alongside Rob Phillips,
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Speaker 1: one of the NFL Draft, because things went down on
Speaker 1: Thursday night that were one unforeseen, two unexpected. I guess
Speaker 1: that's probably the same thing, but I tried to add
Speaker 1: a different bullet point in there. But three something that
Speaker 1: I know this into the table is extremely happy about it. Yea, yeah, baby.
Speaker 1: I will say on Instagram yesterday when you posted you
Speaker 1: predicted the first round pick, you changed your predictions. No
Speaker 1: he did, no, no, no, no, no no, this is let
Speaker 1: me go ahead of course. Up. So what I said
Speaker 1: was I believe that the Cowboys had they had the opportunity,
Speaker 1: we're going to take certain That sounds like a prediction
Speaker 1: what I said, we should do? What pars pars, that's
Speaker 1: what you would do. That's not a prediction, though, that's
Speaker 1: that's fit. I mean, I agree he was gone. So
Speaker 1: see here we did that. We did. We had a
Speaker 1: story on who you wanted to take and who you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna take, that separate stories. And in that
Speaker 1: scenario where the corners were wiped out. By the way,
Speaker 1: for those of you who have not heard the story
Speaker 1: or have seen what happened on Thursday, the Cowboys went
Speaker 1: up on the clock at tenth overall. Both Patrick Turtan
Speaker 1: and J. C. Horn were picked the picks prior Hord
Speaker 1: number eight to Carolina, and then Curtain was at number
Speaker 1: nine going to Denver and then the Cowboys were sat
Speaker 1: there is stuck there at ten without their corner backs,
Speaker 1: and they had to make a decision, and basically the
Speaker 1: decision came down to Rashonse later offensive tackle out of Northwestern,
Speaker 1: and Micah Parsons, the linebacker from Penn State. They ultimately
Speaker 1: traded back with Philadelphia picked up number eighty four overall,
Speaker 1: a third round pick. Extremely smart, best way to do
Speaker 1: this whole scenario because you probably with those two there,
Speaker 1: and we knew this too. I mean, we talked about
Speaker 1: this scenario on a couple of shows that if they're
Speaker 1: wiped out and it's later in Parsons, they're probably going
Speaker 1: to pick Parsons because the defense needs that uptick, they
Speaker 1: need that energy, they need that that prior even though
Speaker 1: I would probably say I would have taken Slater. Plus,
Speaker 1: we know they do mock drafts and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff just like we do for fun. They knew
Speaker 1: they talked to Philly leading up and knew that Philly
Speaker 1: wanted a receiver, so they knew in that situation, in
Speaker 1: that scenario we trade back, they're still gonna get our guy.
Speaker 1: Yea lose anything, And you knew Philly and New York.
Speaker 1: Neither one of them were going at to take a linebacker.
Speaker 1: No it decisions wasn't gonna happen. They needed some depth
Speaker 1: their receivers. So you, like, like Rob said, you lost
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing, right, you lost nothing, but you gained everything.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is a lot of people might
Speaker 1: be thinking, oh, you traded with a division rival to
Speaker 1: give him a receiver. He would have gone to the
Speaker 1: Division anyways. You would have played Devanta Smith, but instead
Speaker 1: of playing in green, he would be playing in blue.
Speaker 1: So that's basically what the trade was for. It allows
Speaker 1: you to pick up a third round pick, which I
Speaker 1: think is a premium even to move back a couple
Speaker 1: of spots when you're not going up to get a
Speaker 1: quarterback that you don't pay that quarterback tax. So moving
Speaker 1: back two spots. The Cowboys came out on top in
Speaker 1: that deal because if Philadelphia went up got their receiver.
Speaker 1: Sure the Giants. Of course, as soon as that, as
Speaker 1: soon as the Philly pick was made and it was
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith wide receiver, break City, they backed out, I
Speaker 1: mean out. They pulled the e jack button. They said,
Speaker 1: come here in Chicago, get justin fields and they pulled
Speaker 1: out as much as they could. A really good deal
Speaker 1: for the Giants ultimately as well. But what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Michael Parsons. I know we've hit this a
Speaker 1: couple of times, but he is the newest Dallas Cowboy
Speaker 1: and now we want him to succeed. We want him
Speaker 1: to come in and play hair on fire. You want
Speaker 1: that energy, one that anticipation. Cowboys fans everywhere pretty disappointed,
Speaker 1: I think across the board on Thursday. Let's turn that around,
Speaker 1: because Michael Parsons is a hell of a player. He
Speaker 1: was fourth on the list of the four guys that
Speaker 1: we thought were going to be at least for me,
Speaker 1: I know differently for you guys, he was number one
Speaker 1: on the list. That shows how much of a good
Speaker 1: player he is. Tell him why the Cowboys fans should
Speaker 1: be happy that Michael Parsons is going to be wearing
Speaker 1: the star. Yeah, I think I think he was the
Speaker 1: best selection at that point in time for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: And even before that, I know, Heck and I were
Speaker 1: on the same page in terms of his abilities, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a big boy, you know, he's
Speaker 1: he's sixty four and or sixty three six four whatever.
Speaker 1: He is two hundred and forty five pounds and he
Speaker 1: boy has some twinkle toes on him. I mean he
Speaker 1: runs a four to three, right, So I mean you
Speaker 1: factored that in with how you know, not only just
Speaker 1: his abilities, right, but you factored that in with the
Speaker 1: other two guys that are going to be playing next
Speaker 1: to him. And also in addition to the fact that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have really done a great job of addressing
Speaker 1: this defense affront, right, which is there been an issue.
Speaker 1: It's the reason why vander Esh's a reason why Jenny Smith,
Speaker 1: the reason why we were hard on them all last
Speaker 1: year because these office alignment had the ability to work
Speaker 1: up to them, and no linebacker is going to be
Speaker 1: successful when office alignment can get upon you. So the
Speaker 1: combination of his athletic ability, his aggressiveness, right, his tenacity,
Speaker 1: some of the things that I talked about, and in
Speaker 1: terms of what Quinn's looking for, Quinn wants wants try
Speaker 1: hard guys that are talented and athletic, right, and that
Speaker 1: are coachable. I think that's what you got when you
Speaker 1: when you go out here and get this at this
Speaker 1: stet of an athlete that there were only a handful
Speaker 1: of those in this entire draft man. I'm just interested
Speaker 1: in how he's going to use this weapon. And the
Speaker 1: reason why they drafted him is his flexibility. All of
Speaker 1: the things that he can do. Played running back, play
Speaker 1: d n in high school, five star athlete, the ability
Speaker 1: to rush from the edge and pack the middle of
Speaker 1: the field. He has all of those qualities. And the
Speaker 1: one thing that really tripped me out on draft day
Speaker 1: was just the opposite of opinion and cowboy nation. And
Speaker 1: I understand between no, there wasn't and I believe that.
Speaker 1: You know, look when you start the draft show and
Speaker 1: tober and everybody's talking about a certain guy, it is
Speaker 1: embedded in your brain that we're gonna take that guy.
Speaker 1: But I believe I just was happy that the Will McClay,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, they stayed to the draft board. They knew
Speaker 1: who they wanted, They knew the guy that was going
Speaker 1: to be most impactful in this scheme for Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: and I think he fits the mold. And we were
Speaker 1: talking about kJ Wright, we were talking about he is that,
Speaker 1: and that's how the conversation even started from what we
Speaker 1: needed to do in free agency, how are they gonna
Speaker 1: use this guy? And he's so multifaceted that you can
Speaker 1: move him to several different places on the on the field. Look,
Speaker 1: offenses are coming out with five wide and they're playing
Speaker 1: you gotta play a nickel set and you have to
Speaker 1: find a way to impact offenses. You got you have
Speaker 1: to apply pressure. And I believe that the Cowboys got
Speaker 1: their guy that they know can be that scud missile
Speaker 1: and can impact, you know, the game. I like that
Speaker 1: fits his game to a t. I don't know Kyle
Speaker 1: fans overall. To Heckma's point, I don't think there was
Speaker 1: a consensus, like fans were disappointed with this pick. Fans
Speaker 1: I talked to you you on Twitter and interacted with It's
Speaker 1: like they're split. You know. They're fans that wanted a corner,
Speaker 1: thought offensive line might be a need. But they're also
Speaker 1: fans kind of like me, and it's like, take an
Speaker 1: impact defensive guy and I'm happy and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: be okay. Yeah, And I do think, you know, and obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, media fans can be skeptical When the Cowboys say, hey,
Speaker 1: he was the top rated defensive guy on our board.
Speaker 1: That's what they said. I think that's accurate. That is accurate.
Speaker 1: Now if a corner had Biff Certan had been there
Speaker 1: at ten. Yeah, I mean he's that's in play because look,
Speaker 1: in the second round, it was clear they were going
Speaker 1: after a cornerback. They knew they needed that. And look,
Speaker 1: the value we talked about it Horn Certan. The value
Speaker 1: is there. Those guys are going to be really good
Speaker 1: if you were going to take him at ten. But
Speaker 1: Heckma's right. I am really curious to see how they
Speaker 1: use him. Jerry Jones talked to us after the press
Speaker 1: conference Thursday night. He was asked about, Hey, this isn't
Speaker 1: a sign that, look, you're you're disappointed with vander Esh
Speaker 1: you're disappointed with He said no, He's got a different
Speaker 1: skill set and he taught. He said, pressure, pressure, pressure.
Speaker 1: So I'm really curious to see. Now. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the the edge rusher consistently or the
Speaker 1: leo in dan Quinn's scheme, but I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: use him on blitz is. I think they're gonna use
Speaker 1: him go taking advantage of his strengths. And that's we
Speaker 1: kind of talked about this with Jalen Smith going forward.
Speaker 1: That's that's history. Now he off the ball You've talked
Speaker 1: about his coverage, Kyle, that's something he can improve on.
Speaker 1: But man, he can impact the game going forward as
Speaker 1: a rusher and like like Isaiah said, he gets places
Speaker 1: in a hurry with that four three speed. If he's
Speaker 1: utilized the right way, he's a top five talent in
Speaker 1: this in this draft to five talent. I want people
Speaker 1: to understand how you know, obviously we're talking about how
Speaker 1: he may be utilized, right, but understand how he fits
Speaker 1: into the scheme of this entire defense. Right. You you're
Speaker 1: you've taken care of the guys up front, right, I
Speaker 1: feel like we have. I feel like we have. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that we got to have dominate guys. All
Speaker 1: we need is guys not allowing offensive linement of the
Speaker 1: second level. That's ultimately what you need from your defensive line, right,
Speaker 1: and then obviously some ends to apply some pressure. But
Speaker 1: when you have these guys on the second level that
Speaker 1: could shoot the gap, right, when you have these guys
Speaker 1: on the second level that are all capable of running
Speaker 1: sideline the sideline, when you're capable of when you have
Speaker 1: guys that are physical. Oh and by the way, there's
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of kelto Neil that we're
Speaker 1: gonna be having coming down into the box too. So
Speaker 1: your second level is gonna have Jalen Smith, vander Esh
Speaker 1: Parsons and kelt O'Neil. That's gonna be your second level.
Speaker 1: And you think he is a linebacker. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: question about it. So you're gonna have those four guys
Speaker 1: at that level running and hitting people. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a fast and furious defense and I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing it. No, and I believe just looking at Dan
Speaker 1: Quinns and and we're gonna talk about the interview, but
Speaker 1: just in the interview him just addressing just the culture change.
Speaker 1: He realized that that's the one thing that you have
Speaker 1: to do, the culture changing. You talked about it, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: like when you when you talk about teams like Seattle,
Speaker 1: what made them who they are? The culture? And man,
Speaker 1: we just haven't had that edge in the building for
Speaker 1: a very long time. And I'm not talking about defensive
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about edginess as a ball club identity.
Speaker 1: Thank you, what is your identity? And no one has said, like, look,
Speaker 1: when the cowboys come to town, I don't care when
Speaker 1: louis a draw, you better keep your head on the swive, boy,
Speaker 1: and you better be ducking right. And you didn't have
Speaker 1: that attitude. So from the locker room all the way back, man,
Speaker 1: all of this soft talking, Oh we need to get
Speaker 1: it good. No, man, what we need to do is
Speaker 1: put people on their wallet. And so that's what that's
Speaker 1: what I believe the difference is going to be. And
Speaker 1: that's how I feel like the positive impact that Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn is gonna have on this defense. And look at
Speaker 1: the guys that they drafted, edgy guys. Absolutely yes, you
Speaker 1: can talk about all the edgy guys. They are guys
Speaker 1: that you're want to take it to a brawl because
Speaker 1: you know what they bring to the table. Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing about this draft that for those
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans that are split, I mean, there's a reason
Speaker 1: there's a split. We had it on our show. There
Speaker 1: was a huge split between wanting Parsons and wanting somebody else.
Speaker 1: But just because you don't want a guy over another
Speaker 1: guy doesn't mean you hate him. Because I'm not upset
Speaker 1: with this draft by any means. I don't think Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons is a bad pick, but if they were the
Speaker 1: corners there I would have taken them. I would have
Speaker 1: taken Slater. There's a lot you can do with Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: and if you utilize them, like you said, the right way,
Speaker 1: even if it's not those four guys on the field
Speaker 1: at the same time, because there's a very good chance
Speaker 1: that they take either fifty four or fifty five off
Speaker 1: the field, it's gonna be interesting, very good. The snaps
Speaker 1: are dispersed and competitions what I tell you guys about
Speaker 1: a long time ago, as far as the culture or
Speaker 1: dan Quinn competition, competition, competition, you better show up or
Speaker 1: you better bringing lunch pill every day otherwise you're gonna
Speaker 1: be sitting next to coach. And if there's a chance
Speaker 1: that bringing in a Michael Parsons upticks both Layton vander
Speaker 1: Est and they step their game up, that is a
Speaker 1: huge win for this defense because we've seen what this
Speaker 1: defense and how they can fire on all cylinders. If
Speaker 1: both of those guys are at the top of their game,
Speaker 1: and that was twenty eighteen, you saw that in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: If both Layton vander Esh and Jalen Smith are playing
Speaker 1: lights out football, your defense not only going to be
Speaker 1: twenty third in the NFL, you're gonna be a top fifteen.
Speaker 1: And you add two other guys today group exactly. You
Speaker 1: got Jabrill Cox, you have Keiana Neil, you have Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: There's three guys to that group that can potentially helps.
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna go down the list here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Cox, you know, very easily could have been a
Speaker 1: second round draft pick, no doubt. And he's a He's
Speaker 1: got a totally different skill set than Parsons, which is
Speaker 1: really interesting to me. But count O'Neil. He's gonna play.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a dan Quinn guy. As long
Speaker 1: as he's healthy, he's gonna be on the field. So
Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see how they work around this.
Speaker 1: And I think Parsons, we've talked about it, you can play.
Speaker 1: I think you could play him with other linebackers and
Speaker 1: maybe you play more bass this year because you have
Speaker 1: more linebackers that can run and make plays and have
Speaker 1: some speed to him. I don't know, I can't remember
Speaker 1: who said it during the draft coverage. I mean there
Speaker 1: were twelve hours of draft coverage, right, but somebody said it,
Speaker 1: if if you put Jabril Cox and Michael Parsons together,
Speaker 1: you have the perfect linebacker because I mean the size,
Speaker 1: of the speed, and then Jabril Cox, his coverage ability
Speaker 1: is pretty pretty legitimate. I feel like if he if
Speaker 1: he dropped twenty pounds, he could play safety. Oh he
Speaker 1: really could. I mean, he's got that type of ability,
Speaker 1: you know, and hey, maybe that's something that they look
Speaker 1: at into. I don't know. I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of question marks with Cox and
Speaker 1: I think his running ability, the ability to stop the run,
Speaker 1: of the ability to plug gaps is what ultimately led
Speaker 1: him to falling down draft boards. So there's holes in
Speaker 1: his game as well, much like there's holes with Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: But those two together, yeah, I like that pairing a lot.
Speaker 1: And if moving forward, if that's your linebacker core, And
Speaker 1: of course there's decisions coming up, one of them today
Speaker 1: on Layton Vandersch and whether or not the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna pick up or decline his fifth year option. There's
Speaker 1: decisions with Jalen Smith going into June first and going
Speaker 1: into this next offseason or in this next this next season.
Speaker 1: So if those two are your core, I mean Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons d Bill Cox, if your linebackers I'm not necessarily
Speaker 1: too upset about that, Rob, No, not at all, not
Speaker 1: at all. And I'm just I think you know, they
Speaker 1: were again we're gonna go down the and there was
Speaker 1: a there was a pick in the third round where
Speaker 1: from a value standpoint, you're kind of like, interesting, we'll
Speaker 1: get to that. But we turn around and all that matters,
Speaker 1: first of all is what the Cowboys thing. And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had certain guys value, maybe differently than other guys,
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's any question that Cox was
Speaker 1: was somebody, uh that could have been a easily an
Speaker 1: early day two pick. And so I think when you
Speaker 1: look at it, I had a feeling. I think there
Speaker 1: was a vibe there that they were going to hit
Speaker 1: this draft just hammer defense early and often, and it
Speaker 1: does kind of heck, it goes back to the best
Speaker 1: available thing. You're not always doing that because you know,
Speaker 1: the odds of the of the top guy on their
Speaker 1: board always be in defense or eight out of eleven
Speaker 1: times not likely. But they made a point of look,
Speaker 1: we got to fix this. Dan Quinn comes in. We
Speaker 1: gotta add competition, we gotta add speed, we gotta add edge.
Speaker 1: We got I talked, I heard more about arm length
Speaker 1: with defensive players that I ever had. There was a
Speaker 1: ton of arm length in this draft. Yeah. They hit
Speaker 1: all of those things and gave dan Quinn some some
Speaker 1: something to work with. Isaiah. They kind of fit that,
Speaker 1: fit that mold. They want the tall, fast guys for
Speaker 1: dan Quinn and they didn't really fear from that. All
Speaker 1: fast and competitive. I talked about it. You know. The
Speaker 1: main thing, the reason why I was so gung hole
Speaker 1: on Parsons because you had to solidify your front seven, right,
Speaker 1: you need to him obviously, you need a couple other
Speaker 1: instruments in there as well, but you secure your front seven.
Speaker 1: And why did I say the front seven was so important?
Speaker 1: Because the front seven makes your secondary better, right, they
Speaker 1: make your secondary better. What I knew Quinn was gonna
Speaker 1: come in here and do it was get guys out
Speaker 1: there that were tough, competitive and long, just long enough
Speaker 1: to face against ice to face Sherman in practice, I
Speaker 1: faced Browner in practice. These boys was long. They had
Speaker 1: go go gadget arms. Right, all they want to do
Speaker 1: is get their hands on you and stop you for
Speaker 1: half a second. If they stop you for half a
Speaker 1: second by getting their little go gadget arms on you.
Speaker 1: You're done. You're done, because guess what those guys up
Speaker 1: front are gonna get home and guess what their job
Speaker 1: is so much easier. And why did they go out
Speaker 1: there and get guys that can catch the ball, dbs
Speaker 1: that can catch because the balls are gonna be getting
Speaker 1: thrown up there in the air, They're not gonna be
Speaker 1: as accurate, and there's gonna be plenty of opportunities for
Speaker 1: pick for picks out there. I saw a stat over
Speaker 1: the weekend that the Cowboys allowed what it was the
Speaker 1: second most rush yards in history in team history, right,
Speaker 1: but like seventeen hundred of them were before first contact.
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, that's unheard of me. And if you don't
Speaker 1: fix that, and we'll get to the defensive line, whose
Speaker 1: they made Parsons helps in their regard. If you don't
Speaker 1: fix that, yeah, issues, you're not fixing your defense, period.
Speaker 1: So they knew what they had to do going into
Speaker 1: this draft. So before we do head into that second segment.
Speaker 1: By the way, I am watching the chat right now,
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Speaker 1: kind of want to get a gauge of how you
Speaker 1: guys out there feeling how the Cowboys draft overall. We
Speaker 1: might be able to even take some calls coming up
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. How about that. Let's try
Speaker 1: and do that. When we come back on Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the rest of the draft outside
Speaker 1: of Michael Parsons, and then we're also going to hit
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn. What is that scheme gonna necessarily look like?
Speaker 1: Are we looking at a three four oven into the
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Speaker 1: and I love the Draft. I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: the draft. Congrats on Wall to Wall many Thank you
Speaker 1: guys did a wonderful job. It was super fun. It
Speaker 1: really was. I mean, and working with David Hellman, Brian
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Speaker 1: It really was a group effort and it was a
Speaker 1: ton of fun. So I think you appreciate you. So Chris,
Speaker 1: come on now, uh say that one more time, being
Speaker 1: because I think I think he just said, there's somebody
Speaker 1: on the phone. What there? We're able to take calls
Speaker 1: again on Talking Cowboys. This show has never taken a
Speaker 1: call together. Yes, that is exactly right. We've got Brian
Speaker 1: from Iowa on the line. The question is what do
Speaker 1: you think about the NFL Draft? Brian? How things going. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's going pretty good and I'm very excited about the draft.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised they got all defense because I
Speaker 1: thought there was dull like uh a little bit between.
Speaker 1: But but I'm very very excited about the draft. Um
Speaker 1: My question is what you think there will you use
Speaker 1: with Chauncy Gholston because I watched him play at a
Speaker 1: Kimmick in and the way I think dan Quint's gonna
Speaker 1: use them is what they might have used Michael Bennett
Speaker 1: in Seattle. You know, if they want to pum on
Speaker 1: the edge for a run stopping, but if they want
Speaker 1: to put them in the middle for like, h be
Speaker 1: small but but but speedwise, Um, do you guys think
Speaker 1: about that? I think Michael Bennett was here for a
Speaker 1: hot second, Yeah, a couple of years ago. To me,
Speaker 1: what jumps out is they lost Tyrone Crawford to retirement,
Speaker 1: and he reminds me so much of Tyrone Crawford in
Speaker 1: terms of just a high motor, high character guy that
Speaker 1: to his point, is going to play multiple spots for you.
Speaker 1: He's probably an inn Kyle, but but he can kick inside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could definitely kick inside. He's long enough, he's athletic enough.
Speaker 1: I mean eighty five eighty four inch arms. I mean
Speaker 1: he's got just bricks cinder blocks for hands. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this dude is next level strong. The thing
Speaker 1: is about about him is that that's that's his go
Speaker 1: to is stopping the run. So I completely agree with Brian.
Speaker 1: By the way, Brian, thank you for the call. The
Speaker 1: thing about Chauncey Golston that I'm really excited about is
Speaker 1: that versatility is the ability to stop the run. Because
Speaker 1: you talked about it in the last segment of just
Speaker 1: how hard it was for this Cowboys defense to get
Speaker 1: hands on people. That's what Golston, does you turn on
Speaker 1: the film, he's getting hands on people. He may not
Speaker 1: actually be making the tackles specifically, but he's in the
Speaker 1: vicinity and he's able to find a way to get
Speaker 1: his hands on opponents in Isaiah, I think that's exactly
Speaker 1: a good way to say it. Michael Bennett, Tyrone Crawford.
Speaker 1: Kind of those little hybrid inside outside roles is probably
Speaker 1: something that would fit fairly well for Golston. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's one of those versatile defense alignment, right. So I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, the one of the one of the
Speaker 1: common themes here with Quinn is high motor guys. High
Speaker 1: motor you know, you know, great energy and great effort guys.
Speaker 1: And you know, as you're as you're looking at some
Speaker 1: of these highlights here, he's aggressive. He's you know, he's
Speaker 1: quick off the ball. He's not necessarily fast guy, he's
Speaker 1: quick off the ball, but he comes, he comes with
Speaker 1: violent intentions when he when he gets there, right, and
Speaker 1: when you have these guys that are playing defense quote
Speaker 1: unquote defensive ends, understand that these aren't when you say
Speaker 1: a defensive end, there's not just a lot put your
Speaker 1: hand in the ground and run around the edge of
Speaker 1: the tackle. There's in Quinn's system, you're going to see
Speaker 1: a lot of stunts. He's not gonna just line up
Speaker 1: and just come straight ahead. He's gonna have guys that
Speaker 1: are playing defensive ends. They're gonna be doing te stunts
Speaker 1: where the defensive end is coming inside and the tackles
Speaker 1: going outside. Right, and when those guys come inside hit
Speaker 1: Their jobs a lot of times are to knock off
Speaker 1: the guard right, be violent, come off, take one side
Speaker 1: of the guard, run him down the line, so that
Speaker 1: you can get your linebackers. Oh, look at their linebackers
Speaker 1: in the gaps. Right. So as we start talking about somebody,
Speaker 1: these positional guys understand that nobody's just gonna be lining
Speaker 1: up and going straight a hit. Yeah. I love. What
Speaker 1: I love about getting with him. About Chauncey is his bend,
Speaker 1: you know, his ability to get the adge, set the edge,
Speaker 1: get around tackles. I thought he was quality and that
Speaker 1: really again when you go back to the opinions that
Speaker 1: people had about him as a pick in where other
Speaker 1: draft sources had him, I thought, again, I just thought
Speaker 1: he fit perfectly into our as system. You talk about
Speaker 1: as long arm as you talk about strong hands, all
Speaker 1: of those things, but his diverse being able to be
Speaker 1: diversity diversified, to go down to the edge, go down
Speaker 1: to the five to three, all of those different things
Speaker 1: that he can do, and also stunting. You know, when
Speaker 1: you have the athletes that can play every scheme that
Speaker 1: you want and you don't have to sub guys in
Speaker 1: and out, and you know, well who they got this
Speaker 1: guy on the field, So this is what this is.
Speaker 1: You're not tipping your hand. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: dan Quinn did in this draft by getting guys that
Speaker 1: no matter what set you're in and you ask him
Speaker 1: questions about whether you play a three, four or four
Speaker 1: or three, being able to give those multiple looks will
Speaker 1: give your defense the edge that the competitive edge that
Speaker 1: you need because everybody's scheming up for everybody. Don't think
Speaker 1: that other teams in the NFC aren't combing through all
Speaker 1: of dan Quinns defenses to find out what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: And it was it was really ironic when he talked
Speaker 1: about that, you know, about getting better as a play caller,
Speaker 1: as you know, as a coordinator, and just combing over
Speaker 1: all of that, getting advice from people. How can I
Speaker 1: be better because he realizes that the league and offenses
Speaker 1: are changing. So whether it be a three four look
Speaker 1: or four three look, either way, you gotta have guys
Speaker 1: that are multiple and diversified to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I talked about learning from
Speaker 1: the other draft show guys who have done this a
Speaker 1: little bit longer than I have, But they always say,
Speaker 1: you're watching one guy, another guys sticks out on tape.
Speaker 1: You should probably circle that guy and come back to him.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what Chauncey Golston was for me. I was
Speaker 1: watching dave On Nixon, the d tackle from Iowa, who's
Speaker 1: running fifty four. I kept being like, Wow, what is
Speaker 1: his fifty seven doing? What is this fifty seven guy?
Speaker 1: Because he's in the backfield a lot, You're gonna see
Speaker 1: him in the backfield a lot. And I do end
Speaker 1: up enjoying this pick. Brian, thank you for the call.
Speaker 1: By the way, we got another Brian on the line.
Speaker 1: This time it's Brian from Vegas. Brian, you're there. How
Speaker 1: you doing, Fols? What's going on? Man? I just had
Speaker 1: a couple of comments about the uh the drafts, like
Speaker 1: your mommy taking too much good time go for it. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I was just wondering, you know, how did
Speaker 1: you how do you guys feel about the Cowboys? And
Speaker 1: I feel like they should have been a little more aggressive.
Speaker 1: And forgive me if I sound a little muffled. Safety
Speaker 1: first I got my mask on here. Yeah, um, I
Speaker 1: felt like they should have been more aggressive. You know,
Speaker 1: if you think about any time I think about the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and extra draft picks, you know, I still can't
Speaker 1: get over two thousand and I believe two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight draft where they had all those
Speaker 1: draft picks and Jason Williams was their first pick and
Speaker 1: because they kept coming down their first pick und right, yeah,
Speaker 1: j C Williams, And I just when I thought about it,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody was like Jake Kavanaugh, he was just
Speaker 1: like he was hoping that they would trade down in
Speaker 1: New England, and for me personally, I was hoping that too.
Speaker 1: But I just kept thinking, are thein't really going to
Speaker 1: do the right thing here? Because I'm a I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan of just oh, I want to get this
Speaker 1: type of player because he has long arms. Who cares?
Speaker 1: Who the hell cares if he has long gorings? But
Speaker 1: he can't play. And I'm speaking of the pick at
Speaker 1: ninety nine. What I would have liked to see the
Speaker 1: Cowboys do with that third round pick. We haven't seen
Speaker 1: these guys on the field, and I understand that. But
Speaker 1: if you're gonna, in my opinion, take a third round
Speaker 1: pick on a fifth round player, why not just move
Speaker 1: up and make sure you get your safety. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go up, in my opinion, to get a lesser corner
Speaker 1: in what it is rumored to be Tyson Campbell and
Speaker 1: the Jaguar spot. You got the better corner by staying there.
Speaker 1: But it's no secret that they wanted their safety. I
Speaker 1: don't care what Stephen Jones is. I don't believe there
Speaker 1: was going to invest in that safety, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's just like, if you know that that's a guy,
Speaker 1: you can't keep sitting there waiting for him to fall.
Speaker 1: The draft doesn't work that way. You don't get money
Speaker 1: like that every year and just hope that you can
Speaker 1: stand down. You're not the Patriot, You're not Baltimore. Those
Speaker 1: are the only two teams that are lucky like that,
Speaker 1: that are that somebody is just going to fall to
Speaker 1: them and it's going to be the right guy. I
Speaker 1: don't have faith in the Cowboys that that's what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. Are you talking I'm sorry, Bran, are you
Speaker 1: talking about moving up in the second round together? Okay, right,
Speaker 1: get your guy. Don't sit there and think that you're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to sit there and think that you're
Speaker 1: going to be able to get to Uh. The America
Speaker 1: is just going to keep falling to you. I would
Speaker 1: have liked to seeing them go get him, even if
Speaker 1: you give up a fourth round pick, because the real Cox,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the value of drafting him saved their
Speaker 1: draft because to me, I was just sitting there looking like,
Speaker 1: what the heck are they doing. I'm not a fan
Speaker 1: of the Parsons pick. Let's be honest. Parsons to me
Speaker 1: is a sam linebacker that wants four or three speed.
Speaker 1: If he runs four or five, he does, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't take him, that's my good point. But he doesn't
Speaker 1: run a four or five. That's that's that's two steps
Speaker 1: a lot of people, it's a lot of people in
Speaker 1: the league that are fast and can't play. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: can't cover. Jabril. Cox falls to the fourth round because
Speaker 1: he's not a good run defender. But Michael Parsons goes
Speaker 1: twelve and he can't cover the pass. To me, you
Speaker 1: sit there, take a Lodger bear of Tucker or the
Speaker 1: kid for the tackle for that winter the Chargers, and
Speaker 1: then you just keep going. But it seemed like they
Speaker 1: were too anxious to fix the defense to where I
Speaker 1: felt like they reached on the player. Well, I appreciate
Speaker 1: the call, Brian, really that's fair, but but it also
Speaker 1: it goes back. It depends on how they're gonna use
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons. I don't think they're gonna use him and
Speaker 1: put him in a bunch of spots where he's got
Speaker 1: to cover. Now, I mean, name name five linebackers off
Speaker 1: top that can cover in this I can cover these
Speaker 1: tight ends? Yeah, who can cover these tight ends in
Speaker 1: this league? And where we had to get better was
Speaker 1: in the middle of our defense. And guys, and I
Speaker 1: get the too often used word you're reaching on a
Speaker 1: guy when you talk about the talent that Parsons has,
Speaker 1: that's not a reach. And where you can use him
Speaker 1: in this defense isn't a reach either. So at this point,
Speaker 1: he's a Dallas cowboy. We know exactly what he's going
Speaker 1: to bring. To the table. It's look, we all are
Speaker 1: in a wait and see situation. Again. You could be armchair,
Speaker 1: you know, GM and all of that, but these guys,
Speaker 1: this is what they get paid to do. They put
Speaker 1: a grade on these guys, and they had Michael Parsons
Speaker 1: where he needed to be had he not opted out,
Speaker 1: if you know, I think a lot of people would
Speaker 1: have had a better assertion of what he could do.
Speaker 1: I just think there every highlight we see is a
Speaker 1: Memphis highlight and you're like, okay, he did that, well,
Speaker 1: he blitz well all of that, but very very good
Speaker 1: points that you just brought up. In specifically, there's two
Speaker 1: things that I want to kind of address what Brian said.
Speaker 1: First off, saying that Michael Parsons can't play is and
Speaker 1: that's inaccurate. He can ball. I mean, this guy is
Speaker 1: a baller. He's a top he was a top five talent.
Speaker 1: The reason why he went twelve was because of the
Speaker 1: character concerns and because of some of the off the
Speaker 1: field stuff. That's why he fell a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: And that's not even anything that was going to keep
Speaker 1: him out of the top fifteen. You think him opting
Speaker 1: out might have heard too just not character very well.
Speaker 1: Cut back of tape on him. Yeah, this very good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a sophomore. He played two years
Speaker 1: basically of either collegiate football. Either way. The boy got
Speaker 1: film that shows he could play. Hell yeah he either way.
Speaker 1: He bucks the first first sophomore to everyone, and they
Speaker 1: don't just hand that award. Oh the last time I check,
Speaker 1: and last time I check, they don't. Just they don't.
Speaker 1: Some people like him aren't born, they're created. You know,
Speaker 1: physical specimens. You know, there's there's good players, and then
Speaker 1: there's physical specimens who are who happened to be good
Speaker 1: players as well. No doubt you just you don't. You
Speaker 1: don't pass my guys like that. He is a he
Speaker 1: is a top five talent in this draft. He just
Speaker 1: had concerns and question marks around him that that kind
Speaker 1: of diminished his draft stock compared to some of the
Speaker 1: other players that were available. Now, the second thing he
Speaker 1: said was talking about being aggressive in the second round
Speaker 1: and going up and getting a Tyson Campbell type of player. Well,
Speaker 1: first off, Tyson Campbell was the first player off the
Speaker 1: board to Jacksonville at thirty three. You weren't going to
Speaker 1: get that pick Jacksonville knew that. At the end of
Speaker 1: round one, they were like, okay, so let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and like put this in. The card was written up
Speaker 1: before they went to bed that night. It was going
Speaker 1: to be Tyson Campbell. You weren't going to get that pick.
Speaker 1: I mean the Cowboys, from what I had heard and
Speaker 1: from the rumors that were around the building, they tried
Speaker 1: their best to get back up into the thirties to
Speaker 1: try and go get a safety, Go get a Richie
Speaker 1: Grant or a Trayvon Merrick. I think Marik was really
Speaker 1: the biggest target because that was the guy who hit
Speaker 1: they had the most interest in. Going into draft night,
Speaker 1: they tried to be aggressive, and Brian brought Us made
Speaker 1: a great point on this during the second day of
Speaker 1: the draft. He said, normally scouts front offices when they
Speaker 1: get a chance to sleep on their board, they usually
Speaker 1: have a guy in mind or two that they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily want to give up. They want they see there.
Speaker 1: They get a chance to kind of sit back, look
Speaker 1: around and say, Okay, that guy's there, that guy's there,
Speaker 1: that guy's there. I would be cool with any three
Speaker 1: of those guys. It's going to take a premium to
Speaker 1: make me get out of this spot, because I want
Speaker 1: those guys on my draft, especially when you're up at
Speaker 1: the top of the second round. Now, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of trades that happened right there, and even that
Speaker 1: shows that there was some premium that had to give up.
Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't have gotten away with it with ninety
Speaker 1: nine only you would have had to give up a
Speaker 1: next year two or maybe something else to try and
Speaker 1: get up into that roum. Those are great points. The
Speaker 1: other two things I would add is with Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: in the second round at cornerback, they knew they needed
Speaker 1: a corner they knew that they couldn't wait too long
Speaker 1: to get that position address after taking Parsons, and he's
Speaker 1: a guy they really liked. And they told us what
Speaker 1: they said was even if Mark had been there, Joseph
Speaker 1: was the pick. Now we can debate that, but I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but I do know this. I do know
Speaker 1: that they loved Kelvin Joseph and that was a guy
Speaker 1: they had targeted at forty four because you know, it
Speaker 1: kind of like Parsons hadn't played a whole lot of
Speaker 1: college football, but fits that Dan Quinn style of corner big, physical, corner, fast, competitive,
Speaker 1: takes the ball away, takes the ball away a lot.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Brian, the other thing he mentioned
Speaker 1: about he was referencing to Sean right now. Sean right
Speaker 1: at the end of the third round, he said he's
Speaker 1: a fifth round player. Cowboys had him rated higher than that,
Speaker 1: maybe third round, probably third round. He was fifth round
Speaker 1: to everybody in the media. Yeah, but not. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't know if he would have lasted to the
Speaker 1: fourth round. But Isaiah's talked about it. You know, the
Speaker 1: type of player heck two, the type of players that
Speaker 1: dan Quinn likes in the secondary. That's the exact he
Speaker 1: fits it to a team six four and he has
Speaker 1: traits that dan Quinn thinks they can work with and
Speaker 1: makes him a higher value to them than maybe other teams.
Speaker 1: And ultimately that's all that matters. And I'm not comparing
Speaker 1: him to Richard Sherman, but just remember Richard Sherman was
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick and nobody thought he could play.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying he's gonna be that. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that all that matters is what the Cowboys think,
Speaker 1: and that's what Yeah, And I love his attitude, right away.
Speaker 1: He talked about comparing himself to Richard Sherman and Richard Sherman,
Speaker 1: and it was funny. It's a comparison in the back
Speaker 1: and forth. But a guy comes in and he realizes
Speaker 1: what his skill set is and what he's gonna bring
Speaker 1: to the table. Look, everybody understands. It's six four, two
Speaker 1: hundred eleven pounds, a guy that you can put in
Speaker 1: zone coverage, a guy that you can even feature in
Speaker 1: the safety position at six to four and can run
Speaker 1: a four four. That means he covers ground. And look, man,
Speaker 1: whether you know anything about boxing or not, and you
Speaker 1: talk about reach and beat length and all of that.
Speaker 1: Look if I can if I can touch you from
Speaker 1: where I am and your arms can't get to me,
Speaker 1: and it's combat at the line of scrimmage, and that
Speaker 1: makes a difference whether you believe in that or not.
Speaker 1: I'm saying he's our guy. He's gonna develop into a
Speaker 1: player of special teams player. We had guys like him
Speaker 1: in the past. Patrick Watkins six four two fifteen, A
Speaker 1: guy that's long and rangey can make plays. Look, you
Speaker 1: gotta give this guy an opportunity, and there's plenty, there's
Speaker 1: plenty that hell's a duck who do so and one
Speaker 1: of the things, Kyle, Sorry, I just want to mention
Speaker 1: what Dan Bruger said on the Draft Show. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: love Dane. He's great at what he does. He's a
Speaker 1: class actor. What he said was go study him yourself,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, yeah, I had him as a you
Speaker 1: know whatever. It was priority free agent, seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: I've been wrong before. So we're all gonna find out
Speaker 1: whether you can play. And I don't know how to
Speaker 1: make people understand this more is so much about scheme
Speaker 1: than it is just about overall talent. Yeah, it's so
Speaker 1: much more. There's there's there's a category of player that's like, hey,
Speaker 1: this dude is just a he's a talent. We got
Speaker 1: to have him, right, We just have to have him
Speaker 1: because they just don't come across athletes like this, Hey Parsons, Right,
Speaker 1: he's he's a beat. So he's not only he's a
Speaker 1: good player, he's a heck of an athlete. Then you
Speaker 1: have guys who's like, guess what, there might be overall
Speaker 1: better players, right when you talk about the holistically, so
Speaker 1: it might be better corners. However, this corner is better
Speaker 1: for us because of the capabilities and the attributes that
Speaker 1: they have for how we're going to utilize them in
Speaker 1: our system. If they're more physical upfront, maybe they're not
Speaker 1: the greatest of cover guys, but they don't let people
Speaker 1: off the ball. Guess what, They're more valuable to us
Speaker 1: than somebody who's just an overall good cover corner. So
Speaker 1: it's not just about Okay, how how is this person rated?
Speaker 1: How are they going to be utilized in this system?
Speaker 1: And Dan Quinn knows exactly how he's gonna use these guys.
Speaker 1: He's done it before, He's done it everywhere he goes,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna do it again here where he knows. Hey,
Speaker 1: these type of players are gonna work great in my system.
Speaker 1: And what I think is very intriguing is the dynamic,
Speaker 1: the contingent of cowboy fans that applaud the Jabril Cox
Speaker 1: pick but hate the Parsons pick. When you look for
Speaker 1: me for Cox, the the evaluation has been and you
Speaker 1: have it there on your board that week against the run,
Speaker 1: but great in coverage, well, I'm sorry. As a linebacker,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be able to stop the run
Speaker 1: because that's a part of the job, right, But also
Speaker 1: being a cover guy. I've never seen any teams to say,
Speaker 1: you know, our linebackers are a great part of our coverage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're covering a zone, you're covering flat, deep third. It
Speaker 1: wasn't into the Super Bowl that we see the guy
Speaker 1: like David cover a tight end, man and man. Now,
Speaker 1: that is a particular skill set that you need a
Speaker 1: right But that's just one guy. So going back to
Speaker 1: the Sean Wright in the pick at ninety nine, I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with the player they picked. I
Speaker 1: have a problem with where they took him. That's my
Speaker 1: biggest because you thought he could just because he could
Speaker 1: have gotten They could have could have gotten him in
Speaker 1: the fifth round. Now, the Jabrill Cox pick made me
Speaker 1: feel better about it because if they wouldn't have taken
Speaker 1: to Sean Right at ninety nine, I wholeheartedly believe it
Speaker 1: would have been Jabril Cox. So you got him anyways,
Speaker 1: you got your guy you were gonna get in that
Speaker 1: spot regardless, So I feel much better about it. But
Speaker 1: in that scenario, at least at the end of day two,
Speaker 1: I went home thinking they mailed it in at ninety
Speaker 1: nine because they had a good pick with Chauncey Golston.
Speaker 1: They had a good pick was Osa diggi Zuoa they
Speaker 1: at ninety nine. It felt like they melted in. That
Speaker 1: was frustrating to me because Na Sean Wrighter came out
Speaker 1: of nowhere and you're like, Okay, he's a good player,
Speaker 1: but he's he gonna be a third round I mean,
Speaker 1: the pressure that comes with a third round pick is
Speaker 1: immense in its own right. Is he gonna live up
Speaker 1: to that or is he gonna be on the roster
Speaker 1: in two years? That's my biggest question is why did
Speaker 1: you decide to use that premium of a pick on
Speaker 1: him when you could have gotten him in the fifth.
Speaker 1: That's where I have my pause. You don't know unless
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Speaker 1: Hello there, mister heck maher and with the twelfth pick
Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft to Dallas Cowboys, take Michael Parses
Speaker 1: and it sounds like a seventy of my head. WHOA,
Speaker 1: that was so good. I heard it twice in my ears.
Speaker 1: I love it all right. We've got Tom from Virginia
Speaker 1: on the line. Tom, how are things going with you
Speaker 1: in cowboy Land? I'm not in cowboy Land. It's America's team.
Speaker 1: We're all in cowboy Land. Absolutely? Did I say that?
Speaker 1: Every time I have a chance. First and foremost, I
Speaker 1: want to thank Teach and every morning off of what
Speaker 1: you do, appreciate that you are my life. While I'm
Speaker 1: back to Texas, I grew up in Bay City, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know I missed this the seriousness of football. But
Speaker 1: you just point out a good thing. Here are They
Speaker 1: picked Michael Parsons and the previous caller a couple of
Speaker 1: callers back said, you know, why would you pick him
Speaker 1: if you know he's not going to be it's beneficial.
Speaker 1: But in Isaiah you can probably attest to this. There's
Speaker 1: people that have a crossover positional training from youth into
Speaker 1: high school into college and then pro that if like,
Speaker 1: for instance, Michael Parsons was an offensive threat. If you
Speaker 1: look back in this field, so I mean he had
Speaker 1: I think twelve almost thirteen hundred George one year is
Speaker 1: a offensive you know, backfield and a running back and
Speaker 1: you know it's it's one of these things if you
Speaker 1: have the physical ability in athleticism to adjust that. It
Speaker 1: helps Michael know where that run's going to go. Because
Speaker 1: as a running back, he knew how to follow the block,
Speaker 1: he knew where the guard tackle or whatever, you know,
Speaker 1: uh traff they were going to run. You know, he
Speaker 1: knew he anticipation that helps him to be more effective
Speaker 1: in the rug. But what was our weakest point last year?
Speaker 1: Wasn't it stopping the run? Haven't I heard that? Without question?
Speaker 1: And I'm going, you know, you can develop people to
Speaker 1: you know, you know, anticipate a pass, screen, pass, all
Speaker 1: these other things. But you know where I went to school.
Speaker 1: And this is crazy. If you wanted to play high
Speaker 1: school football in Base City, Texas, you had to play
Speaker 1: junior high basketball. Yeah, and it was because you had
Speaker 1: to learn to end anticipate what is coming and then
Speaker 1: it also helped you follow the ball and who was open. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for the call, Tom and Isaiah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just kind of attesting to what he said, my Ka Parsons.
Speaker 1: The awareness, the quick trigger, that's something you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to see because on film it was there at times,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't completely consistent. I mean, this is a guy,
Speaker 1: like he said, has been groomed all the way up
Speaker 1: to be an NFL linebacker at this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just that kind of player. But you've got to
Speaker 1: see a little bit of an uptick in terms of
Speaker 1: the awareness, in terms of the quick trigger. He has
Speaker 1: it on occasion. But where do you see the biggest
Speaker 1: improvement of that coming from Michael Parsons. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: coming and getting acclimated to the to the environment, right
Speaker 1: and getting that wisdom from coach Quinn and some of
Speaker 1: the other coaches you know, some of you know, he
Speaker 1: shoot LV and Jalen. You'll be able to speak you know,
Speaker 1: give him some knowledge as well. I mean, just when
Speaker 1: you come into the NFL, you're you're fresh, and you
Speaker 1: don't have an understanding of what it really means that
Speaker 1: most most people don't have an understanding what it means
Speaker 1: to study. They don't really understand film study. They don't
Speaker 1: understand looking for cues and looking for you know, little
Speaker 1: little little things that give you an edge. Once he
Speaker 1: gets those things and you pair those up with his athleticism,
Speaker 1: which cannot be taught. You can't teach athleticism. You can't
Speaker 1: teach instincts. You can't teach for three uh, you can't
Speaker 1: teach it. Ability for some of these running backs in
Speaker 1: this league to be able to hit the edge and
Speaker 1: them not be able to get the edge because this
Speaker 1: guy can can stay in their hit pocket. You can't
Speaker 1: teach those things. So when you factor in the ability
Speaker 1: to his willingness to learn um and you pair that
Speaker 1: up with all those attributes, he's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: And not only is he gonna be a problem, that
Speaker 1: whole unit is gonna be a problem. I wish Sean
Speaker 1: Lee was here for one more year. Yeah, I wish
Speaker 1: there was one more year. If Sean lee or at
Speaker 1: least at least and yeah, organization. But one of the
Speaker 1: things I love about him, and he talks about, you know,
Speaker 1: having to play basketball before you you know, play up
Speaker 1: at a senior level with his high school I love
Speaker 1: guys that had to wrestle. If you're a wrestler, that
Speaker 1: means you're a physical you know what. You know that
Speaker 1: in defensive lineman, offensive lineman with that wrestling background and
Speaker 1: what they're able to bring from a physicality standpoint. But
Speaker 1: you're right, there are certain things that you can't teach
Speaker 1: a guy to do. It's just instinct. It's a nate.
Speaker 1: He does it naturally right. And his ability to sniff
Speaker 1: out the run, sprint options, all of those things you
Speaker 1: see it show up on tape. His ability to get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, he does that consistently. All the things
Speaker 1: that people say about him, you know, misdirection and things
Speaker 1: like there are a ton of linebackers in this league
Speaker 1: are in college that will take a wrong step and
Speaker 1: you try and pivot back the other way with a
Speaker 1: three hundred pound person coming down on you. That's a
Speaker 1: lose lose situation, right, and so you study you know it,
Speaker 1: study wrong, study long and that's the that's the that's
Speaker 1: the thing that happens to a lot of guys. But
Speaker 1: I think the speed of the game won't be too
Speaker 1: much for him and those nuanced things that you're talking about, studying,
Speaker 1: studying tendencies, being just a student of the game. I
Speaker 1: think that's what's gonna happen to him here in this
Speaker 1: locker room because dan Quinn's going to demand it. Oh
Speaker 1: so Diggy Zoo was a wrestler, right, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mike is a bowler. I hear he's he's a bowler.
Speaker 1: He loves the bull, Isaiah. Yeah, why you take your hand, Parsons.
Speaker 1: I'm heading this challenge out right now. Welcome you to
Speaker 1: Dallas with a bowl off hit a hit, bump, bump bum.
Speaker 1: He's already taking down. Oh god, that's interesting challenge. Issued
Speaker 1: man has five balls, he said, it's five is own
Speaker 1: that that people know about. We'll let people know about you. Guys.
Speaker 1: Don't want this problem. It's definitely a problem. Cow actually
Speaker 1: be a two handed bowler. Oh, they give him the
Speaker 1: rails side, I get him, just push it down the hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: failed bowling in college, so I'm never going to play.
Speaker 1: You know. That's terrible. Yeah. By the way, there is
Speaker 1: some breaking news here on Talking Cowboys, Uh. Sports Day
Speaker 1: reporting that the Cowboys have declined fifth year option on
Speaker 1: Layton vander Esch's contract. Makes sense. So, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: not officially from the team. That is from sports Day, uh,
Speaker 1: Dallas Morning News. That is actually reported Rob Phillips, don't
Speaker 1: say it. I don't trust it. If well, it's not
Speaker 1: official yet. But if that's the case, he was gonna
Speaker 1: be set to make nine point two million next year.
Speaker 1: That's you know, for a pandemic cap. That's stuff. That's stuff,
Speaker 1: and then you you draft two linebackers and I don't
Speaker 1: I would not rule out him coming back beyond twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, but you know, that's that's a move that
Speaker 1: you kind of thought Mike was was coming, you know,
Speaker 1: just because of their cap situation. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: It was kind of, at least especially after the Michael
Speaker 1: Partson's pick, it seemed like that was going to be
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion of maybe declining that. We'll see if
Speaker 1: it is official along the way. Yeah, can I say
Speaker 1: one other thing about Parsons the sample size. You could
Speaker 1: look at that two ways, like he hasn't played a
Speaker 1: lot of college football, you know, one year starter at
Speaker 1: Penn State. Now you can say, ah, we haven't seen
Speaker 1: enough of him. Could also say, from like you guys said,
Speaker 1: from diagnosing plays and instincts and all that, let him
Speaker 1: play some more football, you know, let him get out
Speaker 1: there and with the coaching and just have more experience.
Speaker 1: And maybe he's going to develop into more of that
Speaker 1: from the coverage standpoint, because he's got the speed, he's
Speaker 1: got the range to go sideline to sideline. So I
Speaker 1: wouldn't rule out like him getting better, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the whole point of this thing is to draft
Speaker 1: him and coach him up, you know, and they've got
Speaker 1: a stout, proven staff under Dan Quinn. They can do that.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited, but I'm also super nervous to see
Speaker 1: what his year one contributes are because of an opt out,
Speaker 1: because of how young he was, because of the low
Speaker 1: mileage in terms of a first year. I would be great.
Speaker 1: I'd be totally fine with that. That'd be great. I'd
Speaker 1: be excited. He's gonna play a lot, you know, will
Speaker 1: play a lot. Joseph, their second round pick, hasn't played
Speaker 1: a lot either, and there's you know why he left
Speaker 1: LSU and didn't finish season in Kentucky. Now that jumps
Speaker 1: out at you, right, But that's another guy who's young
Speaker 1: and hasn't played a lot, and you're thinking the best
Speaker 1: might be ahead of him too, with with coaching and
Speaker 1: more time on the field. So you can look at
Speaker 1: it one of two ways. What was the biggest surprise
Speaker 1: for you guys in the draft or what the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: With the Cowboys draft the ninety nine pick? For me, really, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was mine. That was my biggest surprise. And I'm
Speaker 1: only saying that because from people who really study it
Speaker 1: were just shocked that he was taken as early as
Speaker 1: he was right was taken. Yeah, the reaction, the reaction
Speaker 1: was kind of like, did they get this wrong? Because
Speaker 1: everybody turning the wrong car? What happened? Because everybody like
Speaker 1: turned over furniture when they came in. So I agree,
Speaker 1: But what was your biggest surprise? That was another surprise him.
Speaker 1: I like them too, but I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: know they're gonna try to address offensiveline, which they did,
Speaker 1: defensive line, which they did, but I did not see
Speaker 1: them spinning a fifth on a receiver. I didn't see
Speaker 1: that coming, really, I thought it would see it coming.
Speaker 1: I thought it was the perfect spot for them to
Speaker 1: look at the receiver, just to add competition. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: the back end maybe. No. I don't disagree with the
Speaker 1: fact that they got a receiver, but just I thought
Speaker 1: they would have solidified those other positions first. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know we we got it on the back end,
Speaker 1: but I mean, you're right, they took a receiver before
Speaker 1: they took a detail, which is my favorite pick by
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, and then we'll see how it pans out.
Speaker 1: That's a log jam at that position. But then yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they take the corner that's gonna a guard
Speaker 1: and a corner that's gonna transition to safety apparently before
Speaker 1: the receiver, after the receiver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That also
Speaker 1: has to bring up the gut Bohannon man. Yeah, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's that's my that's a big give me, big old man,
Speaker 1: give me three fifty in the middle. The term trash
Speaker 1: can full of dirt was thrown around quite a bit
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show because that's just what he is.
Speaker 1: He's a space space eater. What's my favorite Walmart parking poll? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. I love it when you said
Speaker 1: he he said that one time in a lacrosse broadcast
Speaker 1: and almost fell over. So it's not guy's not moving
Speaker 1: and that's what we need. We need a guy that
Speaker 1: could take on the double team and can push the pocket.
Speaker 1: We didn't have that last year. And you know that's
Speaker 1: what makes the difference when you talk about your linebackers
Speaker 1: being able to being free to roam and you get
Speaker 1: eight defensive guys in this draft. I think what it
Speaker 1: did is it put everybody on notice on this team
Speaker 1: and that's why you see the decisions coming down like that.
Speaker 1: And so God lighting the fire. Yeah, look how big
Speaker 1: he is. He's got some swag to him too. He
Speaker 1: can some way. You're exactly right. You said eight draft
Speaker 1: picks on the defensive side. Somebody tweeted me right after
Speaker 1: the draft is over and said, who's who's safe on
Speaker 1: this defense? And it ain't safe. My answer was My
Speaker 1: answer was tank. But that was it. I was like,
Speaker 1: outside of that, that's it. Competition breeds breeds a better team.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean this defensive line, this defensive line
Speaker 1: room now is full. I mean they have, like, is
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill guaranteed to be on this roster that twenty
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. It seems like, yeah, it ain't was fun,
Speaker 1: good problem to have. Hannah's fun defensive and it's kind
Speaker 1: of yeah, it's not. No one is safe. And I
Speaker 1: think that's indicative of the results that you had last year.
Speaker 1: If you went into this draft and you got eight
Speaker 1: offensive guys, I think you'll be like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: We have to get this defense better. So you put
Speaker 1: guys on notice and say that's not gonna work. That
Speaker 1: effort won't work. It doesn't out if it's Mike Nolan,
Speaker 1: Dick Buckus, I don't care who you have it defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to come and perform next year. And look,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. OTA's two of days are gonna be fun. Okay,
Speaker 1: it is gonna be a lot of fun. Now let's
Speaker 1: go ahead. I know we're heading into summer break pretty much,
Speaker 1: but let's give out some report cards on what you
Speaker 1: think the draft was. Now, I will say in preface this,
Speaker 1: I'm not usually the biggest fan of draft grades, just
Speaker 1: because you have to wait three years to figure out
Speaker 1: what the draft's actually gonna look like. But based off
Speaker 1: of what you saw and what you've studied and what
Speaker 1: you've seen going into this draft? What would you gray
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? As Isaiah will start you start with you first.
Speaker 1: I give it a minus. I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: I think we addressed every hole that we had every
Speaker 1: whole day we I mean aside from safety, which I
Speaker 1: think we obviously got that with some offseason acquisitions. Washington,
Speaker 1: Chris Apple, yeah as an Apple, Ye, mister Jones here,
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe Israel is going to be a safety
Speaker 1: that competes for time. I don't know, he's with cornerback traits.
Speaker 1: I like it. I also think they feel it also
Speaker 1: sent me a little bit of a message that they
Speaker 1: feel good about Kauze and when he could bring Quinn guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's he's gonna play a rotter. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: going to a mindus also yeah an Yeah, A minus
Speaker 1: and I and the only way the only reason why
Speaker 1: I'm not saying a plus is because they didn't get
Speaker 1: a safety. Yeah, that's the all. That's the only because
Speaker 1: I felt like that was the place that we needed
Speaker 1: to go. But I'm not so heard about them not
Speaker 1: getting one that I'm like, oh god, you know, I
Speaker 1: still feel like you know, the the free agency approach,
Speaker 1: that's still gonna be guys that are gonna be cut
Speaker 1: from other rosters. So again, if you shore up the
Speaker 1: that that front line and your linebackers are there, man,
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of leniency on the back end,
Speaker 1: I'll go B Plus. I love the approach. I love
Speaker 1: I mean I said it just draft defense over and
Speaker 1: over and over again. I love of that. I mentioned
Speaker 1: off the field. You know, fourth round Josh Ball, their
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. There's off the field questions there now looking
Speaker 1: they said they did their homework and they feel good
Speaker 1: about it, so you gotta trust that. Um. But other
Speaker 1: than that, I mean, I just it's not I'm not
Speaker 1: comparing it to the OZ five draft because that changed
Speaker 1: the scope of their defense with a future Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer and guys that really became Pro Bowl guys. But
Speaker 1: that's what it reminded me of, Like we have a
Speaker 1: new coordinator, we're going to kind of a new scheme.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna hammer this thing over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. I like what they did. I like it
Speaker 1: a lot. That's gonna do it for it now. I'm
Speaker 1: just kidding, uh hours on the show. C Plus is
Speaker 1: what I give it. I think it was a good
Speaker 1: draft because you did, you filled those holes. It had
Speaker 1: a chance to be a great draft. And I think
Speaker 1: there were a couple of spots that slipped through the
Speaker 1: cracks a little bit, just in the fact of one
Speaker 1: you didn't get a safety. I really wanted a safety early,
Speaker 1: and I much like uh I forgot. I think it
Speaker 1: was the second Brian. I think it was Brian from
Speaker 1: Vegas that said it like you wanted them to be
Speaker 1: a grad if I wanted them to be aggressive too.
Speaker 1: I know they tried, but they didn't get through and
Speaker 1: they didn't make the pick. Because if you would have
Speaker 1: come out with this draft with Parsons and then let's
Speaker 1: say like a Richie Grant or a Trayvon marrig or
Speaker 1: you come out and then you go and get one
Speaker 1: of those corners later on and you still have Jabril Cox,
Speaker 1: that's an a draft for me. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: really really good draft. You probably lose two to three
Speaker 1: players that you have right now. You probably would, but
Speaker 1: I mean you also spent the ninety ninth pick on
Speaker 1: a fifth round guy that you probably could have gotten there.
Speaker 1: So opinion, I'm in my opinion you're right, but that's
Speaker 1: what my opinion is. It's a C plus draft. There's
Speaker 1: there are places it could have been better, but there
Speaker 1: are replaces that it's good and I ended up liking it.
Speaker 1: They did kind of speak to that though, why they
Speaker 1: didn't trade, because I'm with you, I'm kind of surprised
Speaker 1: they didn't do that. Yeah, it's Stephen keeps referencing the
Speaker 1: cap in that we need cheap players to step in
Speaker 1: and maybe push guys off the roster. Or he even
Speaker 1: referenced not specific positions, but maybe you get the training
Speaker 1: camp in preseason, maybe there's some trade opportunities. You know,
Speaker 1: because you're so deep at certain spots that requires you
Speaker 1: to feel great about young guys being able to step
Speaker 1: in play. But they seem confident. You know, they've got
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator coming in who knows what he knows
Speaker 1: what he wants and they're gonna try to plug holes quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think out of this draft, I like the Parsons pick.
Speaker 1: I like the Joseph pick. Both of those have question
Speaker 1: marks around him. I love the Gholston pick. I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of the Odgy zoo A pick. Didn't really
Speaker 1: like the Nishan right, but that could that could come back,
Speaker 1: and I've been wrong before. And then I loved the
Speaker 1: Jabril Cox in the semi Phooco picks, so like it's
Speaker 1: kind of all over the place for me overall, I
Speaker 1: thought I liked it or I did, Like, that's not
Speaker 1: even passing in grad school. Yeah, I'd give it a
Speaker 1: C plus plus with a chance to get up there
Speaker 1: and b a B if they if they didn't get
Speaker 1: a show out it, maybe see some snaps. It's the
Speaker 1: right pick. That one just bothers you. That bothers brought
Speaker 1: us hw brought us done. Man, Oh it was done
Speaker 1: even off the show. I mean he was. He was
Speaker 1: so mad it was. He takes it personally because he's
Speaker 1: a former out and he had some fun with it.
Speaker 1: But we had some fun today. How about that. We've
Speaker 1: got a new draft class. We've got eleven new Cowboys
Speaker 1: we get to talk about throughout the course of the
Speaker 1: offseason and heading into the twenty one campaign. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll talk about plenty of these guys for some
Speaker 1: time to come. But until next week. For Chris Beam
Speaker 1: in the back, for Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back and
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