1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How do two people deeply 2 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: in love end up dead? And their ocean front mansion 3 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: and Surf City Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a 4 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at crime online dot com. This 5 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: is Jackie Howard cut One. His name is John, but 6 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: people called him Jack. Her name was Francois, but she 7 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: answered to Frenchie. The two met nearly twenty years ago, 8 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: introduced by a mutual friend, and they hit it off. 9 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: Jack Enders was a widower and Frenchie Patoy, a divorcee. 10 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: Enders an Air Force veteran of the Korean War, love 11 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: the water, boating and fishing. He used his mechanical engineering 12 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: degree to build homes. Enders was a mason who loved 13 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: to cook and decorate his refrigerator with artwork from his 14 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: neighbor's grandchildren. Frenchie but Toy was known as a dynamo 15 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: with style. She had a hat to match nearly every 16 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: outfit and loved rhinestones. But Toy worked as a nursing 17 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: home Alzheimer's specialist and served the Surf City Volunteer Fire 18 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: Departments Women Auxiliary by visiting the firefighters angling relatives. Wow 19 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: a war vet with a girlfriend who loves hats with 20 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: every outfit and rhinestones. I would love to meet these two, 21 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: but we'll never get the chance. They're dead, found dead 22 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: in their oceanfront and mansion. They're in Surf City. What 23 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: do we know about this couple? What do we know 24 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: about their death? Again? Thanks for being with us here 25 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: at Crime Stories. Let me introduce you an all star 26 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: panel to break it down and put it back together 27 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: again with me. Jason Campo, Chief Prosecute joining us from 28 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: Cameron County, Texas. Five years in the DA's Office Family 29 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: Violence Unit. Doctor Alan Blocky, PhD. Forensics psychologists, joining us 30 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: out of Birmingham, specializing in criminal cases, and boy do 31 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: we need him? Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. An author 32 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a 33 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: new hit series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan on iHeart, 34 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: But for a straight out to Crime Online dot Com 35 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Jacqueline Gray. Jacqueline, thank you for being with us. 36 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: Tell me about the ocean front mansion that they shared 37 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: in Surf City. What is Surf City? It's that a 38 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: tourist destination? Is it a quiet town beside the water? 39 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: What is it. But like you said, Surf City is 40 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: a large tourist attraction. They only have about a thousand 41 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: people's population, and it's only a mile and a half long. 42 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: But it's situated right on the Atlantic and it's about 43 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: a half hour from Atlantic City, and tourists usually go 44 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: there mainly to serve look at attractions. They don't have 45 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: a boardwalk, so it's a lot of home embarking a 46 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: borough in Ocean City. It's what I understand is a population. 47 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: It's only twelve hundred people, twelve hundred five, down from 48 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: fourteen forty two. But catch this. Even at its coldest, 49 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: it's only fifty three degrees. Population twelve hundred and seventy one. Wow, 50 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm looking at all these beautiful ocean shots. It sounds 51 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: like a beautiful place to live for this couple. Now, 52 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: one is a widower, one is a divorcee. Joe Scott Morgan, 53 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: It matters, It matters, you know. You hear real estate 54 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: people say all the time, location, location, Location. We say 55 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: that in crime too, Joe Scott, Why yeah, we do, Nancy, 56 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: And we begin to think about who in the world 57 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: would have wanted to do harm to this couple. You 58 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: know they lived this kind of becolic life. They're you know, 59 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: enjoying themselves out there on the waterfront. Who would want 60 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: to bring harm to these people and visit literally hell 61 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: upon them in this beautiful location. Straight out to Jason Campo, 62 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: chief Prosecutor, joining us out of Cameron County, Texas. Jason, 63 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: you wonder at and we're about to get into the 64 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: brutal nature of the murders. But they were living in 65 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: at one point nine million dollar mansion. I could think 66 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: of a lot of people that would ride by that 67 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: mansion and this wealthy enclave and think, Wow, I thought 68 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: I could score a big screen TV out of there. 69 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm thinking of it. We're 70 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: getting up on Christmas time, and no Christmas at our 71 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: house is complete without of course the night before Christmas 72 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 1: with Kermit, but all the home alone, all of them, 73 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: they have to be watched over and over and over 74 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: leading up to Christmas. And do you remember the two 75 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: burglars that did everything wrong? I think one was Joe Passy, 76 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: and they would ride by these mansions and the smart 77 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: one pass You would go stocks and bonds, jewels, artwork, 78 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: all the things he thought he was going to take 79 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: out of Acauli Culkin's Home. Do you remember that? I 80 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: do remember it, That's what right when I was growing 81 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: up too, so I saw all those movies and unfortunately, 82 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, people moved to these I don't know what 83 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about. According to me, I wasn't born them. 84 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: But go ahead, these move you know, these little towns. 85 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: People moved there to be safe, and but people see 86 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: them as marks, especially these exclusive little communities where all 87 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: the houses are worth millions of dollars and everybody lives 88 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,119 Speaker 1: a lavish lifeld in people's eyes and they think maybe 89 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: it'll be a great quick score for them. You know 90 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: what's interesting is you've got this guy, the victim, Jack Enders, 91 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend, Frenchie Pitoy, and they have worked their 92 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: whole life, their whole life. He's a World War vet, 93 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: she's still working. It's not like they were born with 94 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: the silver spoons stuck in their mouth. It's not like that. 95 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: But I think you're right. And in these little enclaves, 96 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: people aren't used to crime. They may leave their doors unlocked, 97 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: they may not have a home alarm, they may leave 98 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: their cars unlocked because they're just not used to violent 99 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: crime and perps are like predators, Jason Campo and I 100 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: always compare it to the hyena or the jackal out 101 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: on the savannah, and you've got the beautiful gazelle grazing 102 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: or drinking at the water hole, and they're just waiting 103 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: to close in, and they only have to get one 104 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: the slowest, the weakest. So I think you're right that 105 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: perps drive along and they see these homes and they 106 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: imagine everything they're going to be able to steal. But 107 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: what happens when you go in and the people are home, Jason, 108 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: That's how it always escalates, right. You always think, oh, 109 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: maybe this house is dark, it's in the middle of 110 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: the night, they'll be in bed or something, and we 111 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: can get in and get out. And then it's always 112 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: what they say, best laid plans go astray, and there's 113 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: never a lot of thought process behind these types of 114 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: crimes when they're breaking into houses like that. Take a 115 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: listen to our cut to from our friends at Crime Online. 116 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: Frenchie Ptoy's daughter and son in law, who live in 117 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: Virginia Beach, hadn't heard from Frenchy and was unable to 118 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: contact her, so Valerie Lewis Evans asked to serve City 119 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: police for a wellness check. Officers approach the home and 120 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: see through a rear window what appears to be the 121 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: body of a deceased male sitting in a brown recliner 122 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: on the first floor. As officers approached the front, they 123 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: spot another body on the stairs leading down to the 124 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: living area. As police continue their search, they find blood 125 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: in several areas throughout the home, as well as a 126 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: bloody footprint and shoeprints, a discarded rubber glove on the stairs, 127 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: and blood on a fence post in the backyard. Jack 128 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: Enders and Frenchie Buttoy had been dead for at least 129 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: five days. We are talking about the brutal murtyrs of 130 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: the World War Vet and his girlfriend Frenchie, who loves 131 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: rhine stems and hats to match every outfit. You know, 132 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: what a joy for living. That tells me she had 133 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: but her life cut short and in a brutal way. 134 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: What happened to them exactly? Listen to this autopsy. Details 135 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: show the murders were brutal. Jack Enders had been stabbed 136 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: multiple times and beaten about the face and head. His 137 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: right carrottid artery severed point was also stabbed, but she 138 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: was shot in the face. That finding prompted the medical 139 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: examiner to look at Ender's body again. Both adults had 140 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: been shot in the face with a handgun. I don't 141 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: know if you caught that, but I was listening and 142 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, one person was stabbed and the other shot. 143 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: That'sen years. You old to have two different emos at 144 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: the same crime scene. And it alerted authorities as well 145 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: when they were looking at the facts, and they asked 146 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: them to look again, and sure enough, themos were the same. 147 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Jacqueline Gray joining me from 148 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: crime online dot Com. Jacqueline tell me about the cops 149 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: arriving and what they found. The cops arrived to a 150 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: pretty much a bluesome scene. Once they went inside, there 151 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: was a lot all over the house. Hey, jaque, wait 152 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: a minute. So my understanding is the cops get there 153 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,359 Speaker 1: and they look in the window and they see somebody 154 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: sitting in an easy chair. Is that right? Yeah, that's correct. 155 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: They did. They saw John sitting in a chair. I 156 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: want to tell you what somebody said, Jacqueline that's familiar 157 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: with this and we were talking about the case, said 158 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: it was just like in the movies. The movies are 159 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: just like in real life. This is not just like 160 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: the movies where you look in and you see a 161 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: person sitting there seemingly watching TV, and then you go 162 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: in and look at them and they're dead. This is 163 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: the real thing. The movies are like this. This is 164 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: not like the movies, Jacqueline Gray. So they look in, 165 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: they see somebody sitting kicks back in an easy chair, 166 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: and then what happens. So they look and they see 167 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: somebody in the chair and start to look, and there's 168 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: bloods in the house. And they go in and they look. 169 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: There's blood. They find John's body, and they find another 170 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: body on the stairs, which is Frenchy. And they know 171 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: that not only the blood but a discarded blood on 172 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: the stairs as well, and not only with their blood 173 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: inside the home, but there's also blood on a fence 174 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: near the presidence where they obviously were trying to get 175 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: out through that fence. I think it was in the backyard. 176 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: And that also indicates to me, to you, Joseph's got 177 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: more gunned. That Frenchy, the girlfriend was trying to get 178 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: away by going up the stairs, would be my guess. Yeah, 179 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: I think that you're probably right. Trying to flee away 180 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: from danger, put as much distance between yourself and this attacker. 181 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: You know, when I hear about this, Nancy, A lot 182 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: of folks that have never been out on a case 183 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: that involves a sharp horse injury like stab wound. They 184 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: don't understand how complicated and layered a cases like this. 185 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: For every insult, every little injury that occurs to a 186 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: body create a hole in the body of defect, as 187 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: we call it. Blood begins to leak out of that area. 188 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: And when you have two individuals that are attacked like this, 189 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: you get what's called commingling a blood. So you have 190 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: to you don't know what's what here. You know you're 191 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: looking for bloody footprints, You're looking for bloody handprints. They 192 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: even talking about a glove here. Ooh ooh. You just 193 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: reminded me of another case with a glove in the 194 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: front yard. Remember Tara Grinstead. Oh yeah, in Georgia in 195 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: the case when unsoft for so many years and some 196 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: person left a glove in the frontyard. I mean, people think, oh, 197 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear a glove so I don't leave fingerprints. 198 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: But what an idiot to leave the glove behind because 199 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: your prints are on the inside of the glove sometimes, 200 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: but sadly not always. Guys, take a listen to our 201 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: cut five. This is our friend Trish Hartman six ABC. 202 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: They were great together. She could care less what he 203 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: had or if he didn't have. They were membering for 204 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: each other. John Gophez lives in Surf City on Long 205 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: Beach Island, a few doors down from the home of 206 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: John Enders, which he shared with Francois Patoy. Gophas says, 207 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: they've been together for nineteen years, and we're better known 208 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: as Jack and French, eating out back washed the setting sun. 209 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: French out there on the deck. This bayfront home on 210 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: North seventh Street was where the bodies of the couple 211 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: were discovered on October third. I'm thinking about that, these 212 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: two seniors having been together nearly twenty years, sitting on 213 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: their back porch looking out at the ocean, and it 214 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: reminds me of my mom and dad. After they retired. 215 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: They worked so hard their whole lives, and they built 216 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: a screen in porch, and they didn't have an ocean 217 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: to look at, but they had the backyard, and my 218 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: dad and mom worked so hard in that yard. They 219 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: had to have a bird fountain. Many tears. That was 220 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: my father's pride and joy. He built with his own 221 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: hands a patio, laid it beautifully, and a little brick 222 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: walkway to it. And they have beautiful palmetto bushes, all 223 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: sorts of bushes, flowers, trees. They built a beautiful brick 224 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: fence along the back and all the plants would grow 225 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: up against it. My point is they would sit out 226 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: there and have coffee and turn on the ceiling fan 227 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: and look out into the backyard. And after all their 228 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: decades of hard work putting us through college, they got 229 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: to sit back and look at the backyard. And I'm 230 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: just imagining Jack Enders and Friendship at Toy sitting on 231 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: their back deck looking out of the ocean. They're hard 232 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: labors done and just enjoying the golden years of their 233 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: life and loving life. And their neighbors love them. Two 234 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: wonderful people, still volunteering and doing good work. Who would 235 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: come in like a wolf and just destroy them this way? 236 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen again, This is our cut. Six is 237 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: Trish Hartman at six ABC. John Gophers says Enders had 238 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: recently decided to sell the Surf City home. The crime 239 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: shocked the community on LBI Katoy was a member of 240 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: the Surf City Fire Company Women's Auxiliary, and a memorial 241 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: on social media they called her an active and much 242 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: loved member of our organization. John Gophers says he misses 243 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: his friends and hopes for closure. Trail Will wouldn't the 244 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: whole neighbors, the whole neighborhood, all the neighbors in shock 245 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: when this loving senior couple just just hatchetted down. You know, 246 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the way they were killed. Joe Scott 247 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: Morgan And typically when a burglar comes in and I 248 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: want to go to you on this, doctor Alan Blockey 249 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: and Jason Campo, I prosecuted so many burglaries, but my 250 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: analysis is not anecdotal, in other words, based on an 251 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: anecdote or a story. It's statistics that route this story. Typically, 252 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: when burglars come in your home to steal your TV 253 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: or whatever they want to steal, and they realize somebody's home, 254 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: typically they leave. I'm very rarely will they attack the person, 255 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: because that's not really why they're there. The whole burglary phenomena, 256 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Alan Blockkey, it's it's a mental thing, like a 257 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: peeping tom. It's something up here that they want they're voyeuristic. 258 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: A burglar actually likes going in to somebody's house and 259 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 1: creeping around. They like going in the idea I've got. 260 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: You know, when you go in somebody else's house, and 261 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: it's a lot different when you're invited in for like 262 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: a party or a dinner or something, as opposed to 263 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: somebody says, hey, can you go over and feed my dog? 264 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: When I'm out of town and you go over and 265 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: they're not home, it's kind of an eerie, freaky feeling. 266 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to go look through their stuff. I 267 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: don't want to go anywhere but to feed the dog 268 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: and leave because it's too I don't know. There's something 269 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: eerie about it to me, going in somebody else's home 270 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: when they're not there, But burglars love it, and it's 271 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: hard to stop a burglar. Now, Blockkey, I know you're 272 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: the PhD, just an MD. I'm just a JD. But 273 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: I can tell you this. I've noticed that sex offenders, 274 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: specifically child molesters and rapists, they don't get rehabbed. I 275 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: don't care what you want to tell me. Burglars don't 276 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: get rehabbed. Those are two criminals, and I guess I 277 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: gotta throw a habitual violators, drunk drivers, they can't get rehabbed. 278 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: I don't care what stat you want to tell me 279 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: or what PhD up at Harvard University says something about 280 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 1: burglars they can't stop themselves. But why kill Blockkey? Well, 281 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: I guess the only time that burglar would kill is 282 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: if they're surprised. If they think they're cornered and there's 283 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: no way for them to get out, they will strike out. 284 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: Oh you mean like a door, the same door they 285 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: came in on. Yeah, exactly. They can't take the patent 286 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: turner Patton Street and turn a corner, right, sad situation 287 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: to me? That the interesting thing is that this man 288 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: was found in his recliner, Doctor Blocky, You're right. If 289 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: the burglar had been just surprised by seeing him there 290 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: and his recliner, for all I know, he could have 291 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: snuck out the same way snuck in and the victim 292 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: would never have even known he was there. Right, And 293 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: he certainly wasn't a threat, Doctor Block, I hadn't thought 294 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: of that. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Jason Campo. Did 295 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: you hear what doctor Allen Block He just said? He's 296 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: right and back me up on this thing about burglars. 297 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: There's something totally freaky about them. You know, this is 298 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: one of those crimes where once you get that taste 299 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: of it, I think you can never stop doing it 300 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: because there's no way to replace it, right Like you 301 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: you don't just normally go into somebody else his house 302 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: and then just walk around and leave without taking something. 303 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: So they're always looking for that again. I think they 304 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: get some kind of a thrill for it. And then 305 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: not only him and his recliner, but her being found 306 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: on the stairs. That means they either chased her up 307 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: the stairs or she was coming down the stairs when 308 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: she heard a noise and they still went up the 309 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: stairs to meet her, right So that shows that they 310 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 1: weren't looking for an exit. You know another thing it 311 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: could be, and I think doctor Blockee was walking all 312 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: around this. Doctor Blocky, you were saying something about why 313 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: Jack Enders had to be killed and not just him, 314 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: his girlfriend, Frenchie Patoy, Francois Frenchie Patoy. You said something 315 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: about maybe they could identify. Is that what you were 316 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: saying the defendant? That is what I was saying, fairly 317 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: suggesting We've got a really good point you know another 318 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: interesting thing that Jason Campo was just saying, doctor Blocky 319 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: is instead of just all right, let's just say, let's 320 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: just hypothesize they got surprised by Jack in his easy chair. 321 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: What if he sat up and looked around? Why didn't 322 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: they if they felt they had to kill him, kill 323 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: him and leave. Why did they then chase Frenchie up 324 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: the stairs to murder her right there on the stairs. Yeah, 325 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: you would have thought a burglar would have gotten out 326 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: of there as quickly as possible, a sap not chase 327 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: the second person. Yeah, you're right, why chase her down? Exactly? Two? 328 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: Just got Morgan. Jackie here in the studio is reminding me. 329 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: There was blood upstairs and downstairs, not just on the 330 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: stairs where Frenchy was killed, but upstairs too. That tells 331 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: me after they killed her, they went around, They went 332 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: around the home, leaving blood trail. Yeah, blood trails is correct, Nancy. 333 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Bloody footprints, bloody shoeprints. That means that they traps through 334 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: this blood. There had been a blood letting, they walked 335 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,479 Speaker 1: through it, and they weren't paying enough at tension to 336 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: realize what they were doing, leaving those traces behind and 337 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: you can literally track the people through here. And then 338 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: you know, seemingly they just take a club off Nancy 339 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: that they're using to hide their identity, I guess, and 340 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: leave it behind. It sounds very very disorganized to me. 341 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: Is that or sloppy either they didn't realize they had 342 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: left it. You know, multiple obvious stab wounds when cops 343 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: got there at four pm on a Sunday afternoon. You 344 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: know that quiet feeling that comes over on Sunday afternoons. 345 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: The cops are there, everything's quiet, The cops say, quote 346 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: it was read apparent they were deceased. They didn't have 347 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: to rush over and see if there was a pulse. 348 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: They knew. The cops knew multiple stab wounds according to police. 349 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: That's telling me something right there, Joe Scott Morgan, what 350 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: do you want to kill him ten times over? Stab 351 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: him that many times? You remember Jody Arius how she 352 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: stabbed Travis Alexander, her lover. Oh, let's say, I think 353 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: it's about twenty nine times, and then capped him in 354 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: the head with a gun. Yeah, she did. She murdered 355 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: him about twenty times over with all the stab wounds 356 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: to the torso and then shooting him in the head. 357 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: Why murder these two nine times over? Yeah? I know. 358 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: And when you think about this Nancy, this was particularly 359 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 1: brutal because there were noted three different types of injuries. 360 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: We've got a gunshot wound, we've got stab wounds, and 361 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: let's don't forget, there was also blunt force trauma. This 362 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: poor man had been in the face that you know, 363 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: for me as a death investigator, when I see that's 364 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: that's very personal. You're sending a message with that that 365 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: indicates that there was a lot of hatred towards this individual, 366 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: of anger, a lot of anger. Yep. Rage. It may 367 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: not be anger toward him, but rage and anger, yes, 368 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: and you know the injury. One of the really important 369 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: things to note here is that the articles specifically talk 370 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: about his karated vessel was cut. Now, the karated, Nancy 371 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: is very deep in the neck. It's not like the 372 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: juggler vein, it's kind of external. That karated is very deep. 373 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: They really had to take this knife and go deep 374 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: inside the tissue in order to do that. So that 375 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: gives you an up close and personal idea as to 376 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: what's happening. And then on top of this, you're going 377 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: to strike this man in the face. I think I'd 378 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: like to know what those patterns reveal with the strikes 379 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: the blunt force trauma. Did he get pistol whipped or 380 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: were these closed hand hits blunt force? He was sustained. 381 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: The investigation launches full on to find out he murdered 382 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: Jack Enders and his longtime love Franchipatoy take a listen 383 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: to our cup four our friends at crime Online, and 384 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: affidavit of the investigation says surveillance cameras on the Long 385 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: Beach Island Bridge captured footage of a two thousand and 386 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: three four Winnebago, a twenty eight foot RV before dawn 387 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: around four forty three am. That same Winnebago is captured 388 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: ten minutes later by a ring doorbell camera pulling up 389 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: to the Enders home. An hour later, the vehicle is 390 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: recorded again heading away from the home with its lights off. 391 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: But that's not the only video recorded. At five fifty three, 392 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: someone in oversized clothing can be seen walking along Seventh Street, 393 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: where the couple lived. Then at six forty two, in 394 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: the backyard of the Ender property, a person holding an 395 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: orange bag climbs over a fence into a neighboring yard. 396 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: A minute later, and Exfinity camera spots someone walking again, 397 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: this time on sixth Street. The individual is determined to 398 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: be about five feet eight inches tall. Two hours after 399 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: the RB arrived on Long Beach Island, it's seemed again 400 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: traveling back across the bridge off the island. A license 401 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: plate reader at the entrance to the Garden State Parkway 402 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: captures the RBS registration number. Wow, that was a lot 403 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: of information. Jacqueline Gray, crimal line dot Com investigative reporter. 404 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: Let me understand this. The getaway car was a Winnebago RV. Yes, 405 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: it was an RV, which is probably one of the words. Okay, 406 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: you don't see that very often, Jacqueline, Not too often 407 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: does the killer drive up at an RV and that's 408 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: the getaway car. And then they're wearing oversized clothes. What 409 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: does that mean? Are they trying to disguise themselves? Is 410 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: that all they have? Why? But in a neighborhood like this, 411 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: you can bet your bottom dollar a lot of people 412 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: are going to have ring or doorbell. Kim's like a ring. 413 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: There's going to be surveillance. They one surveillance catches a 414 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: person on seventh one surveillance catches them on six one surveillance. 415 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: Somebody else's catches them climbing over the back fence, but 416 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: nobody can make a yes and a bridge, so nobody's 417 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: able to make an ID. But that is just way off, 418 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: doctor Alan Blocky. Now, I don't know why, but I 419 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: can tell you this much. I've never seen a getaway 420 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: in an RV, a Winnebago, a big honk and Winnebago 421 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: has got to tell you something, Block keep it what? Yeah, Well, 422 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: I guess immediately it tells me it's probably not a burglary, right, 423 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: he tells me it's not a professional Winnebago. Well, I 424 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: don't know. If they drive up in a Winnebago hoping 425 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: to clear the whole house out of all the electronics, 426 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: all the furniture, everything, could do that. It's like pulling 427 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: up in a moving van. But it also tells me 428 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: this is not a pro This is not a burglar 429 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: that you know has ever done this before. I mean 430 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: using a Winnebago. Jason Campo, you ever seen a Winnebago 431 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: an RV as a getaway, I've never seen it. They 432 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: definitely were not expecting a high speed chase afterwards. So 433 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: it was. It tells me maybe that they thought that 434 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: this is a vehicle that would blend in more since 435 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: it is an affluent neighborhood. Maybe a vehicle moving around 436 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: early in the morning is something that they have seen 437 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: before as people start to leave for the winner. Oh no, Jason, 438 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: I mean I would remember a Winnebago. There are two 439 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: that park in our neighborhood, one on the street of 440 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: some and it comes periodically, so I guess it's out 441 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: of town family. It's awesome. It's a stream. It's an 442 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: airstream or stream, one of those silver ones, and it's 443 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: so neat and I love to RV and camp, so 444 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: always look at it. And then there's a really big 445 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: one that shows up further down the street around holidays, 446 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: So I guess that's family coming in for holidays, and 447 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: they park right in front of the house by the 448 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: front door. I guess that they can run in and out. 449 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: So I noticed them because I'm a little envious. But 450 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: I would notice and RV okay, and so would everybody 451 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: else that saw it. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm 452 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: wanting you to take a listen to something else we discover. 453 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven, when police arrived 454 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: at Pepernin's home, a car scene leaving the property, will 455 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: stopped Joseph Heverernin, Sherry's sun was driving, according to Belize, 456 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: without prompting, he started talking about his grandfather's death. Joseph 457 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: Heffernan said he had not seen his grandfather in six 458 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: months since his May graduation. In a recorded interview, he 459 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: said that family relations were strained because Sherry Lee Heffernan 460 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: thought her father's nearly twenty year companion was a gold 461 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: digger who was pressuring enders to sell the beach house. Okay, 462 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: Jason Campo, Usually when you think of a gold digger, 463 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: you think of some sexy, skippily dressed woman going after 464 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: a ninety five year old guy who's, let me just imagine, 465 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: steering his own yacht somewhere and one of those captain's outfits. 466 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: That's what I think of as a gold digger, not 467 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: an elderly woman frenchie patoy who likes to bedazzle her 468 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: clothes and wear different hats. And also that's some scheme. 469 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say she's in it for the long game. 470 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean, she's been dating this guy. She's been with 471 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: him for twenty years, and so now after twenty years, 472 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: she's gonna cash in when he sells the house. That's 473 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: that's a lot of premeditation, Jason, twenty years definitely not 474 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: your typical imo for a gold digger, right, and they 475 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: were roughly the same age. They also don't generally volunteer 476 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: at the fire department or with Alzheimer's patients. She does 477 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: not fit the typical profile of what you would think 478 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: of when you think of a gold digger. Gold digger, 479 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: those are not the words I would have chosen to 480 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: describe frenchie. No way. Okay, it's the plot, Thickens. Take 481 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut ten. Close friends of the 482 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: couple tell police that Ender had decided to sell his 483 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: family home with twenty five hundred square feet, six bedrooms 484 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: and four baths. The home was listed at one point 485 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: nine billion dollars. Sherry Lee Haffernan, a real estate agent 486 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: licensed in New Jersey and Maryland, told her father that 487 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: she wanted to be the broker, but Haffernan had been 488 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: estranged from her father for the past few years. Family 489 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: friends say Heffernan refused to accept his phone calls, returned letters, 490 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: unopened and email when unanswered. Once the house was to 491 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: be put on the market, Ender's friends say Heffernan started 492 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: reaching out to Frenchie, Ender did not let her sell 493 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: the house, that police say is believed to be why 494 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: the couple was killed. The friend also told police that 495 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: Enders had recently amended his living will and that Heffernan 496 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: and Ender's other daughter were no longer included. Mmm, you know, 497 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: what what is it with rich people? You know, Joe 498 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, rich people, And here's the old man worked 499 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: his whole life. War Vette Frenchie, his girlfriend in twenty years, 500 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: worked her whole I'm still working. And their children are 501 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: angry that they're not getting the house. I mean really, Yeah, 502 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: you think about this and this life that they've lived, 503 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: and listen, you have to imagine that they've probably provided 504 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: a pretty good life for these kids, provided a good 505 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: enough life so that they feel comfortable to act like 506 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: a spoiled brat at the end and even into their 507 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: middle years of their life, they're still petulant little children 508 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: that you're gonna go and you're going to attack these 509 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: people in brutalize them. And Nancy, I've been on a 510 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of homicides in my career, but 511 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you these familial homicides like this, they 512 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: turn into an absolute blood bath. It's savage, absolute savage. 513 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: A love of money the root of all evil. Take 514 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: a looks of our cut seven CBS three Philly. A 515 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: woman has been arrested after the bodies of two people 516 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: were discovered inside of a home and Surf City, New Jersey. 517 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: Sherry Hoffernan of Landenburg, Pennsylvania is basing two counts of 518 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: murder in connection with the deaths of her father, John 519 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: Enders and his living girlfriend, Prince Wap Pittoy. The eighty 520 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: seven year old and seventy five year old were found 521 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: dead inside of a home on North at Seventh Avenue 522 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon. Investigators say both were stabbed multiple times. Eighty seven. 523 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: So my father was when he passed away, he went 524 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: to heaven and at the end. I remember one time 525 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: we were at the beach. I had to carry my 526 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: father on my back to get back into the rental. 527 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 1: He could hardly walk. There's an eighty seven year old 528 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: man and a seventy five year old girlfriend, stabbed, beaten, 529 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: and this is why the defendant, Shirley Hefferman's arrested. Take 530 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: a listen to the rest of what the grandson said, 531 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: not under questioning, but Vallin teered. He went on to 532 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: tell police that his mother left home to visit her 533 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: father the week before, describing the trip as a midnight 534 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: as saying he was worried about what happened. Heffernan allegedly 535 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: said his mother was the only person to drive the 536 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: RV in the last two weeks, and I can't believe 537 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: she did this. Under a search warrant on the Winnebago, 538 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: police found red staining on the carpet, appearing to be 539 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: consistent with dried blood. Okay, Jason Campo, chief prosecutor, joining 540 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: us out of Cameron County, Texas? What more could you want? 541 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: T that up in front of the jury. With the 542 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: blood on the Winnebago carpet, it presents everything in a nice, 543 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: neat package for you. With the motive, the history of 544 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: that's going on between these two people. Clearly the rage 545 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: that was happening as she was getting written out of 546 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: the will and that she felt like she was not 547 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: getting what she was entitled to. It explains the excessive 548 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: stabbing and the shooting it's everything wrapped up for you 549 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: in a package. The only thing it would make me 550 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: wonder is let's just see the investigation all the way 551 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: through to make sure that she didn't have any help. 552 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: Wait till you hear her defense. Oh, I can't wait. 553 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight. This is our 554 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: French Tish Hartman six ABC. This bayfront home on North 555 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: seventh Street was where the bodies of the couple were 556 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: discovered on October third. The next day, enders daughter, fifty 557 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: five year old Sherry Lee Heffernan, of Landenburg, PA, was 558 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: arrested and charged with the two murderers. Authorities in New 559 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: Jersey alleged that Heffernan was upset with her father because 560 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: she had been cut out of his will. Enders had 561 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: recently decided to sell the Surf City home and had 562 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: been trying to contact his daughter for the past year 563 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: without much success. During an expedition hearing in Chester County 564 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: on Friday, Heffernan told a reporter that she's quote not 565 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: guilty and being framed. According to the Daily Local News 566 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: of Westchester, Heffernan was ordered to remain in the Chester 567 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: County prison without bail until she is extradited to New Jersey. 568 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: Before that can happen, she has to face unresolved theft 569 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: charges out of Montgomery County, PA. Those theft charges were 570 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: for taking merchandise and receiving stolen property back in twenty nineteen. 571 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: They were misdemeanors. I don't know what that was. It's 572 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: just shoplifting or some other petty theft. But that gives 573 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: me an idea a window into her thinking. If you 574 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,959 Speaker 1: could see the photos of this home, and I think 575 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: that they were photos, they're office zello and there are 576 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 1: photos I think that were taken in preparation to sell it. 577 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: It is beautiful. It's really really pretty and in perfect condition. 578 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: Apparently the victim, Jack Enders, would spend his days working 579 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: on the home, and the girlfriend Frenchie had decorated herself. 580 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's gorgeous, six bedroom, four bath waterfront home. 581 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: And the daughter, the blood relative daughter of Jack Enders, 582 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: went berserk over the fact that she would not get 583 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: the property that he was selling it, not even letting 584 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: her be the realtor on that. But you know, Jacqueline 585 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: Gray Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, I mean, I 586 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: know you're an investigative reporter, not a shrink. But that's 587 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: what happens when you don't talk to your father for 588 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: years on in send his letters back, won't pick up 589 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: the phone, won't be with him. Yeah, you're gonna get disinherited. 590 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: What did she think was going to happen? I don't 591 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: know what she was thinking. And also in the months 592 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: before the murder, Jack cut you know, her and another 593 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: daughter out of the world. So, I mean the writing 594 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: was kind of on the wall that like she cut 595 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: him out and he cut her out. You know, I'll 596 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: never get over how rich people fight over money and 597 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: the reality is, I think doctor Allen Blocky, PhD, forensic psychologist, 598 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: a lot of children and grandchildren don't get they worked 599 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: hard for this home, their whole lives to just fall 600 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: in their laps and it's theirs to do what they 601 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: wish with. Yeah. Unfortunately, what happens is that the children 602 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: of these folks often feel this sense of entitlement that 603 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: grows and becomes so huge that it's crazy, and it 604 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: leads to acting out, that leads to crime, all out 605 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: of a sense of entitlement that is just not consistent 606 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: with the way reality is. Sometimes we wait as justice 607 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: and Falls, Nancy Grace crime story, Signing off my friend