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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone welcome the Mother Knows Death. Well when it rains,

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Speaker 2: it pours in our world. And this week we have

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Speaker 2: so many news stories for you, and of course today

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Speaker 2: we have a really good episode. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about the latest with Nancy Guthrie, and I mean, the

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Speaker 2: photos just came out from the FBI, and god, it's

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Speaker 2: so like jarring to watch that, the videos and the

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Speaker 2: photographs from that case. We're also going to talk about

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Speaker 2: Catherine O'Hara. Her cause of death has come out, so

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Speaker 2: last week we talked about a condition that she was

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Speaker 2: born with, but now we're going to talk about what

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Speaker 2: actually killed her. So we'll discuss that. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about some stories that have to do with the Olympics

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Speaker 2: because that is hot in the news right now too.

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Speaker 2: And we have a true crime story that hits close

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Speaker 2: to home from one of our Grosser Room listener or

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Speaker 2: Grosser Room members and our listeners of Mother Knows Death.

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Speaker 2: And at the end of the episode, we have the

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Speaker 2: most unusual suicide on record, I would say. So all

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Speaker 2: that and more, plus your questions, comments emails on this episode.

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Speaker 1: So we're on day nine of Nancy Guthrie's disappearance and

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Speaker 1: we just got a major piece of news. They just

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Speaker 1: released the footage from the Nest which they claimed they

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Speaker 1: didn't have access to, which I really went into on

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Speaker 1: YouTube live on Friday, But they just released the pictures

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Speaker 1: of the first suspect in this case, and these pictures

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Speaker 2: I really think that they might not have had access

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Speaker 2: immediately to what was on Nancy's phone for the footage,

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Speaker 2: just like you or I would if you want to

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Speaker 2: look at whatever's happening on your doorbell. But I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that they were able to contact the Nest company and

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Speaker 2: figure out a way to get it. And it seems

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Speaker 2: as if they figured that out.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what I was saying because my ripe with it,

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Speaker 1: which they were like, oh, there's no footage, so she

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Speaker 1: didn't pay for the subscription, and I'm just like, this

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Speaker 1: is ridiculous information. I just was having a really hard

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Speaker 1: time believing it. But obviously they got in contact with

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Speaker 1: somebody at Google or whatever and they were able to

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Speaker 1: pull these videos and these photos. They're so disturbing. It

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Speaker 1: shows a mass man. It looks like it's on her

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Speaker 1: front porch, right, because there's that like little curved alcove.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely her front porch. And I've been saying this.

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Speaker 2: I wrote a forensic Friday on the blood that was

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Speaker 2: seen at from the video that was seen that Brian

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Speaker 2: atten Saul on the porch, and I wrote a forensic

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Speaker 2: Friday about that. In the very end of it, I

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Speaker 2: was just like, Hey, do you notice these weird flowers

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Speaker 2: holding flowers or like a flower arrangement or something on

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Speaker 2: that they just let Brian go up there and take

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Speaker 2: even seem like they thought anything of it. Why wouldn't

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Speaker 2: they have collected it for evidence? Right, Like they were

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Speaker 2: just like, oh, there's just plants on the porchier and

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Speaker 2: left the blood out there for him to photograph when

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Speaker 2: they closed the crime scene down.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought Joe Jackline watched his Super Bowl alternative show,

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Speaker 1: and I thought he and his guest made a really

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Speaker 1: about that blood because as we talked about on YouTube

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Speaker 1: on Friday. They really released that scene pretty quickly, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was all over the place what was

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Speaker 1: then you started freaking out as soon as you saw

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Speaker 1: those flowers, because you literally see this perpetrator go and

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Speaker 1: pick the flowers out of her front yard and try

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Speaker 2: Below, and I was like, oh, that explains that. Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how no one, I mean, maybe they

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Speaker 2: did whatever, But Brian took those pictures. They weren't crime

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Speaker 2: scene pictures. They were Brian's pictures. And if I'm investigating

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Speaker 2: that crime scene and I see those flowers there, I

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Speaker 2: For me to be honest, But as soon as I

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Speaker 2: lot of people online are speculating it might be a woman.

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Speaker 1: I can't see a world in which is a woman.

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Speaker 1: The build looks like a man, and there's a mustache

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Speaker 2: This means absolutely nothing. I have a mustache.

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Speaker 1: I have a mustache too, But I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: But like, listen, that doesn't That doesn't mean anything, I think.

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Speaker 2: But this on the porch grab, which I thought was

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Speaker 2: so bizarre. I don't even understand what's happening in this video.

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Speaker 2: And we'll talk we'll talk about it more this case

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Speaker 2: because we don't need to talk about it every single day,

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Speaker 2: so more, we'll talk about it more on YouTube live

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Speaker 2: on Friday, because between today, which is Tuesday, and Friday,

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Speaker 2: God knows what is going to happen with this case.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have a lot to talk about on our

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Speaker 2: YouTube Live in the grocerroom on Friday. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm really curious to listen to all of my crime shows,

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Speaker 2: our friends, Ryl, Joe, jackalone, everybody talk about this case

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Speaker 2: and if there's just because we see this one person

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Speaker 2: that were accomplices too. But this is a huge, huge,

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Speaker 2: a huge step. But it also makes me think they

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Speaker 1: And it's just so weird though, because it's like he

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Speaker 1: I don't know if his motive was like maybe I'll

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Speaker 1: block that from the camera's view. But we've seen pictures

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of thinking now the pictures we saw of

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Speaker 2: But well, the one that's missing though, because remember Brian

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Speaker 2: scene was processed the first time. Is it possible that

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Speaker 2: the investigators just took the camera off because they were

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a good point because I was very critical

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Speaker 1: my argument on YouTube was that that nest bracket was

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Speaker 1: easily release it off. So I was questioning somebody's knowledge

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Speaker 2: Now I'm thinking like a whole different way about this,

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Speaker 1: That's what I was saying though before, Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's as sophisticated as we think. Like,

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Speaker 1: and they're like luck was in their favor that the

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Speaker 2: Oh, they they lucked out big time getting this video,

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Speaker 1: I think often about the Brian Walsh case because that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really am curious who this person is. But

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Speaker 1: Well, appears there's a gun in a holster in the

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Speaker 2: It's in a weird location. Though. All of this is

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Speaker 1: Didn't you see earlier today too that people working on

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Speaker 2: I saw that on news stories that they were taking

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Speaker 2: And Savannah has posted this on her Instagram page and

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Speaker 1: It's just interesting. The whole thing is interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: cares to It's just fair. I thought about this.

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Speaker 2: I thought about this last night, Like when I saw

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Speaker 2: that video of her with the makeup on, the change

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Speaker 2: that she either has had confirmation that her mom's dead

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. I'm like really looking forward to

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Speaker 2: up and figure out what stage you are and then

435
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 2: they're going to do treatment based on that. So they'll

436
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: either they could just cut it out. Sometimes they give

437
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 2: you chemo first to shrink the tumor and then cut

438
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: it out, and then sometimes it's just considered inoperable because

439
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: it's so bad, and then they just try to treat

440
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: you so you could remain comfortable for the rest of

441
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: your life. So we don't really know what happened with that,

442
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: but the surgery can be a big deal for some

443
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: people because you want to preserve the anal sphincter because

444
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,679
Speaker 2: if you have to take it out, then the person,

445
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: unfortunately is going to be stuck with a colossomy bag

446
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: for the rest of their life. So sometimes they're able

447
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 2: to give them chemo and shrink it en off so

448
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: they can preserve that muscle because that's basically what keeps

449
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: your poop in and pushes it out right, So you

450
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: really need that so when you have cancer, you're so

451
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: let's let's go back to last week. We talked about

452
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: John Gosling. Right, he was what was he forty eight

453
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: years old, and he had pulmonary embolism. And the very

454
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: first thing I said to you guys was like, Okay, people,

455
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: normal healthy people, their blood doesn't just clot and they

456
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: don't get a pulmonary embolism. So it has to be like,

457
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: whenever I hear somebody died from that, my first thing is, well,

458
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: what caused that? So when you have cancer, that that

459
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: increases the risk of clotting because the cancer can the

460
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: cancer itself can cause blood to clot more. And then

461
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: you have other things associated with like chemotherapy can also

462
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: cause that. And then surgery is a big one that

463
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: could cause blood clotting too, So did she have surgery

464
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 2: to remove some of it, all of it whatever? And

465
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 2: then another thing is that the tumor can, unfortunately, could

466
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: get so big and the lymph nodes around it could

467
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: get so big that it could compress your vessels around

468
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: your pelvis, which can all so increase the risk of

469
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: a pulmonary embolism. So what happens is the blood either

470
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: in it's usually in the deep veins of the legs,

471
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 2: but also it can come from the pelvic vessels too,

472
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 2: which is right around where the rectum is. It becomes

473
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: liket like, it's sluggish, it's not moving, and if a

474
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: piece of it it sticks together and it causes a clot,

475
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: and if a piece of it breaks off, it could

476
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: travel up the biggest vein of the body, which is

477
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: called the inferior vena kaeva, and then it goes with

478
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: the rest of the blood to go into the heart,

479
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: then to get passed into the lungs to pick up oxygen.

480
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: And when it's making that travel, these large clots can

481
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: get stuck inside between the heart and the lung They

482
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: get stuck and it causes difficulty breathing, which is what

483
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: we said. That was a possibility that she had a

484
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 2: pe and it could cause sudden death as well, Like

485
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 2: she could have just got up and dropped dead as well.

486
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: So sometimes if the clots are breaking off and they're small,

487
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: it won't cause someone to just drop dead. It's honestly

488
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: like a very satisfying autopsy to do because when you

489
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: do it, it's very clear how the person died. You

490
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: open them up, you open their pulmonary artery, and you're like, bam,

491
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: that's how they died. End of story. There's nothing else

492
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: it could be.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean for people like you that are

494
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Speaker 1: doing the autopsies. It was the extra added level of

495
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Speaker 1: interest having with her.

496
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was like, that was just like

497
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: such a cool autopsy. Now, now let me state something

498
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 2: else as well. I don't know that she had an

499
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 2: autopsy yet. I because it is possible that because she

500
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: had the history of cancer and they knew she had cancer,

501
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: she had treatment, and she went and had this pulmonary embolism,

502
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: they were able to determine that she had a pulmonary

503
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: embilism when she got to the hospital, and they wouldn't

504
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: do an autopsy necessarily on that if her family didn't

505
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: want one, because they could just say that's a complication

506
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: of treatment or the cancer. So yes, it would have

507
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: been an absolute dream autopsy for someone to do. But

508
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: I mean personally, if that happened with like my mom's

509
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: the same as that age, and if she had cancer

510
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: and then she she had a pulmonary embolism, I wouldn't

511
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, caught up her body to find to

512
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: confirm like it just well, yeah, it's like a risk

513
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: yeah exactly, it's a known risk factor. So she might

514
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: not have had an autopsy, but if she did, it

515
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: would have been very cool.

516
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: All right, So Winter Olympics are in full swaying. Opening

517
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: ceremony was Friday night. Did you watch it at all?

518
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the opening ceremony, but I watched some

519
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: of the dude, did you did you see the Bob's led?

520
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 2: Like all the guys, I don't know somebody. It just

521
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: was going viral and it was so funny and it

522
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: was like bro left without them and it was there

523
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: were four team members and only one ended up being

524
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: in the Bob's led and the rest of them like

525
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: fell over and stuff.

526
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: It was just great. There's been there's in a lot

527
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: of whiteouts. So the one we're gonna talk about right

528
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: now is Lindsay Vaughn. So she's an alpine ski racer.

529
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: She has other Olympic medals. This was a very big

530
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: deal her coming back because she had retired in twenty

531
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Speaker 1: nineteen and just a week before the Olympics she was

532
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: in a race and she also fell and she tore

533
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: her ACL. So there was all these reports like is

534
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: she even gonna make it to the Olympics, And she said, no,

535
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm powering through it. I'm gonna go. Thirteen seconds into

536
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: her run, she hit this gate on the side with

537
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: her pole and had this horrific crash and had to

538
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: be airlifted off the slope. It was absolute worst case scenario.

539
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: I I mean listen, like, I'm a sports a sports

540
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: uh medicine person. I just think that like an a

541
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 2: torn ACL isn't just like, oh, I have like a

542
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: sore hamstring, I'm just gonna push through it. Oh you know,

543
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: I have a broken fem ur. I'm just gonna push

544
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: through it. Like what, Well, they're claiming the ACL had

545
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: nothing to do with what That's bullshit. That's that's because

546
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: she don't want to look like stupid, right, Like, I'm

547
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: sorry that that that ACL is. It stabilizes your leg, right,

548
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: And I understand that that totally could have happened even

549
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: if this, if this didn't, if she didn't have this tear,

550
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: But that one second over that she went and clipped

551
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: her pole onto that could absolutely have had to do

552
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: with the fact that her leg wasn't one hundred percent stable.

553
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: Like you could sit there and tell me that it

554
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with that, but no, it's absolutely

555
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: impossible that it didn't.

556
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: She also had a partial replacement of her right knee

557
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. I mean, do you do. You

558
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: have you watched the race she competes it in particular,

559
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: It's insane. Some of them are going like ninety miles

560
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: an hour down this mountain.

561
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. I don't know if it's a body

562
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: cam or like a drone footage of these people going

563
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: down these hills, and yes, it looks absolutely terrifying. I

564
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: just and like, listen, if I did it, I would

565
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: I would drop dead two seconds. I wouldn't even want

566
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: to stand at the top of hill like that, right,

567
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: But I'm just I just can't understand how you could

568
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: say out loud that the two have nothing to do

569
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 2: with each other. It's it's the most absurd thing I've

570
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 2: ever heard in my life.

571
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: Well, she had an emergency surgery that day, so she

572
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: said that she's going to be requiring multiple surgeries in

573
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: the future.

574
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 2: So that was also terrifying too. Watching her get airlifted

575
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: off of that mountain.

576
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: That was scarier to me than Eddie, Right, I was

577
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: just like geez, and I think she was there for

578
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: I think it took almost twenty minutes from the time

579
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: she crashed till the helicopter getting there, so she was

580
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: basically laying there like screaming in pain. She said yesterday

581
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: she had a complex fracture of her tibia, so that

582
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: doesn't sound good at all. I don't know, I said

583
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: Ricky and this meme on Instagram yesterday. It's in my

584
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: toxic trait is thinking I could do all these sports.

585
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, get a life. We were watching the biathlon

586
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: last night, which is like where they ski and then

587
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: they have to stop and like shoot a target or whatever,

588
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I could totally do this.

589
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: I can't even get on ice skates to the street

590
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: line or do anything. Like I've never even tried to ski.

591
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: I would like to try it at one point. Even

592
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: though everybody claims I hate being outside, but I.

593
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: Think, literally, don't you you cannot skate. Listen, Maria wants

594
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: to stand on top of a mountain wearing skis and

595
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: like a cute puffy hat, and then she wants to

596
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: go inside and have a hot chocolate. Like there's you have.

597
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: You like the look of skiing, you don't like the

598
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: actual things that come.

599
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: With it, Like that is correct, But I would like

600
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: to try at some point maybe, I don't know, Like

601
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: it's been really interesting to watch. I saw too that

602
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: a lot of the snowboarders were saying that the last

603
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: bump they had to hit. I don't even remember for

604
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: what event this was the last hill they had to

605
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: hit or whatever they said. It came up very quickly,

606
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: every single one of them. And I'm wondering if there's

607
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: problems with the courses, because I know you don't follow

608
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: hockey at all, but there was a lot of controversy

609
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: with the hockey arena because I think it just got

610
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: finished being built last week, so they didn't even know

611
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: as of last week if they were going to be

612
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: sending the players over to do the games because they

613
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: didn't think their arena was going to be ready for them,

614
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: which is insane.

615
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was more interested in the figure

616
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: skating though. Did you see that guy that did that

617
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: crazy backflip that he didn't even get points from? But

618
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: who cares? Like everyone's like, why would he risk this

619
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: no points? And it's just like did you watch it?

620
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: It looks amazing.

621
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: He got a gold medal.

622
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that particular move didn't gain points.

623
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: No. I actually read that it was banned a while ago.

624
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: Somebody did it before, and they banned it because of

625
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: how dangerous it was, and then a woman had done

626
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: it in the late nineties and she landed on a

627
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: solo skate on it, which was like this immaculate, impressive thing,

628
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: and she still didn't get any metal or anything. That

629
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: kid is twenty one years old. Both his parents were

630
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Olympic figure skaters, and he is absolutely killing it. Like

631
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: when people want to talk about Nepo babies and everything,

632
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: I understand, but like, you can't just have that skill

633
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: from your parents being famous. Like he busts his ass

634
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: and he's really good.

635
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: He has that skill from being like a fetus on

636
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: ice skates. That's why he has that skill.

637
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: No, seriously, all the all of the people are doing

638
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: so amazing so far, and it's been I'm just jealous,

639
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: you know. I was looking at all the footage and

640
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, not only are you in one of the

641
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: most beautiful places on the planet, but the food's probably banging,

642
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: the coffee's probably banging. It's awesome there, Like it's one

643
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: of the coolest places. I think the next Winter Olympics

644
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: is gonna be in the French Alps, which is also

645
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: gonna beautiful and have delicious food, and that's gonna be

646
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City, Like, no.

647
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: Thank you, all right, that one's probably more reachable for us.

648
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: I would oh my god, if it's in eight years,

649
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: I would die too, Like we have to go. I mean,

650
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Speaker 1: your sister in law literally lives there, so I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we could get the connection and go. All right. So,

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00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: of course they're scandal with every Olympics. This time, I

653
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: didn't see anything about the sex beds, so I think

654
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: they got rid of those. But if you guys want

655
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Speaker 1: to hear that, we had some episodes from the Summer

656
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Speaker 1: Olympics two years ago talking about that. But this year's

657
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Speaker 1: scandal is that the men's ski jumpers are allegedly injecting

658
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Speaker 1: their penises with hyaluronic acid to gain an advantage. Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: This is I don't know if this is like a

660
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Speaker 2: tabloid or whatever, but of course it's going viral online

661
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: that men are getting penis injections with filler that you

662
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Speaker 2: would put in your face or your lips to make bigger,

663
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Speaker 2: to increase the growth of their penis so when they

664
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Speaker 2: get measured with this three D tool for a uniform,

665
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: that the uniform is bigger on them and it gives

666
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Speaker 2: them more space. I guess to spread their legs when

667
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Speaker 2: they're skating or something. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: No, this is what happens. So in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: the men's race your Different International Ski and Snowboard Federation

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Speaker 1: said that every centimeter on the suit counts and that

671
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: even a five percent bigger surface area will make them

672
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Speaker 1: fly further. So what happens is their bodies get three

673
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Speaker 1: D scanned for the suit. So I think they're hoping

674
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Speaker 1: by giving a little bit of extra room in there

675
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Speaker 1: that by the time they're actually wearing them, that little

676
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Speaker 1: bit of space gives them an advantage to go way higher.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in theory it could work, but I mean

678
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Speaker 2: you will gain You'll only gain like centimeters though, like

679
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: not a lot of space. But if every centimeter accounts,

680
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Speaker 2: then in theory that could work. And then what's so,

681
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Speaker 2: what is the the the anti doping.

682
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, so the world anti doping agencies like

683
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: got involved in this. All of this information was posted

684
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Speaker 1: in a German tabloid, right, so they don't even know

685
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: if this is accurate information or speculation or whatever, but

686
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: they got involved, and they they say they don't even

687
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: know of an advantage or would possibly be even though

688
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: the other guy had said two years ago there is

689
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Speaker 1: an advantage because every set of meter counts, but they

690
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: said they're only going to address it if there's an

691
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: issue with doping. Yeah, because and really, like, how would

692
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Speaker 1: you how would you know? Like you could you could say, okay,

693
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Speaker 1: show me your penis, Like you don't know if it's

694
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: natural or if it's filled. Yeah, it is really interesting

695
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: to think about. That's another one of those ones. I

696
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: saw the ski jump and we're in Lake Placid in December,

697
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: and like, I can't even I would. I couldn't even

698
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Speaker 1: have fathom taking the tour to go to the top

699
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: of it, to look down little and skiing off that thing.

700
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Speaker 1: It is outrageous.

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Speaker 2: Looking clearly this past month between Alex what's his name,

702
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 2: a guy that's a skyscraper life, yeah, the free solo

703
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: guy and this, it just makes me feel very incompetent

704
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: as as a human. Oh my, really, Like I just

705
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: sit there and I'm like, God, I can't even like

706
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: go up the stairs getting out of breath.

707
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Speaker 1: I'm such a loser. I was literally last night when

708
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: during the by on they have to go up this

709
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: hill that looks so terrible on your thighs to have

710
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 1: to like ski up this hill, right, And I'm sitting

711
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: there like I could do that, and I'm like, just kidding.

712
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm six months pregnant. I can't even get off the couch.

713
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Speaker 2: But ones just kidding. We just went to San Francisco

714
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: and that literally killed me. I was like, how do

715
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Speaker 2: people live here and walk up these hills every day?

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Speaker 1: No, It's insane.

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Speaker 2: So we've talked about that on this show a bunch,

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Speaker 2: All right, this, well, this story has was sent to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about the story as a whole and

741
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Speaker 1: then we'll get into what the listener had to say

742
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Speaker 1: about it. So what's being reported is that in Oklahoma,

743
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: this woman was found dead in a trash can after

744
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Speaker 1: her sixteen year old named Jordan reportedly admitted that he

745
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Speaker 1: killed her with a hammer. So a few interesting things

746
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Speaker 1: they put out in this article. Or that Jordan and

747
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Speaker 1: the woman's other adoptive son had recently been in trouble

748
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Speaker 1: for sneaking out of the house and quote running from

749
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Speaker 1: law enforcement during the night. I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 1: So the other kid is saying that as punishment they

751
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: had to write apology letters, and Jordan had his clothes

752
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: and bedding locked away and had to wear an orange

753
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: jumpsuit to quote show him what life as a prisoner

754
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Speaker 1: might be like if he did not start behaving. So

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Speaker 1: at first, when I'm starting to read this, it's like

756
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Speaker 1: Ruby Frankish, right, is that where your mind?

757
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think that that's yes, it's

758
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: a little it's just a little match.

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Speaker 1: It's a little extreme for punishment. So the adoptive brother

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Speaker 1: told police that Jordan had repeatedly said he was going

761
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Speaker 1: to kill their mom, and then one day the mom

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Speaker 1: wasn't there. I guess she had a mix of adopted

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Speaker 1: kids in biological kids, so one of her biolog kids.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even think that those details matter

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Speaker 1: a hundred I guess they do. I want to point

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Speaker 1: it out because they point out in the article. But

767
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Speaker 1: like I'm in the mindset if you adopt a kid,

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Speaker 1: they and you have biological kids, they should all be

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Speaker 1: seen exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: But basically, one day one of her other kids gets

772
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Speaker 1: there and asks where she is. Jordan says she was

773
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Speaker 1: off helping one of their other siblings who just had

774
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Speaker 1: a baby. She doesn't come home that night, and the

775
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Speaker 1: next day the other kids are sureing to get worried,

776
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Speaker 1: so they called their dad over. He reports the mom missing,

777
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Speaker 1: and that's when the other adopted son said that Jordan

778
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Speaker 1: killed her and stuffed her in the trash can. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this kid is a kid, he's sixteen.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 2: He was talking about killing her though for days, and yeah,

782
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Speaker 2: like it wasn't sudden. It wasn't like he impulsively stabbed

783
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Speaker 2: her after getting in trouble. So yeah, I mean, he

784
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Speaker 2: just he planned it. I mean it, it's so sick

785
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Speaker 2: to think that, I mean, a sixteen year old stole

786
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Speaker 2: a child that, like an older child would would sit

787
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Speaker 2: there and plan this and think that this was a

788
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Speaker 2: good idea and do it. I'm curious, Like I understand

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Speaker 2: that she's his adoptive mother, but like, did she just

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Speaker 2: adopt him as an older person or has she had

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Speaker 2: him since he was a little baby.

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Speaker 1: She's had him since we're four. So this is what

793
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Speaker 1: this is what the listener wrote in said huge fan,

794
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Speaker 1: longtime grocery member. I never dreamed I would actually know

795
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Speaker 1: someone who was murdered so brutally by their teenager. Some

796
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Speaker 1: of the facts are wrong, like she was forty seven,

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Speaker 1: not forty nine. I hadn't seen her in many years,

798
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: but she was such a fun, loving mom who did

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Speaker 1: everything for her biological and adoptive kids. She just became

800
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: a grandmother the month before. Her son had been in

801
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Speaker 1: a mental hospital recently, and she was doing everything to

802
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Speaker 1: help him. It is uncomfortable they are calling him her

803
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Speaker 1: adoptive son instead of just her son, since she had

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Speaker 1: him since he was four. I agree with it, and

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Speaker 1: previous trauma may be a factor in his actions. I'm

806
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Speaker 1: interested to see the autopsy report if they share it,

807
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Speaker 1: but I truly hope she passed quickly and didn't stuffer show.

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Speaker 2: Her if it. Yeah, See, that's sad because he so.

809
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Speaker 2: And I don't know who I was talking. I was

810
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Speaker 2: talking with this recently about just adopting kids and everything

811
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Speaker 2: like that, and obviously I don't have any experience with that,

812
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: but I know someone who has. And you, I mean,

813
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: like seeing a four year old child and wanting to

814
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: adopt them and everything is awesome, and it's it's so

815
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Speaker 2: great that people do that, but you have to take

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Speaker 2: into consideration, like what did that child experience for the

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Speaker 2: first four years of their life. They're obviously coming from

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Speaker 2: a place where they have two parents that don't want them,

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Speaker 2: or don't want to take care of them, or can't

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Speaker 2: take care of them. So that child might have experienced

821
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Speaker 2: like a lot of trauma before getting to you, which

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Speaker 2: could potentially be the situation in this case.

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Speaker 3: So even though you get a kid who is he

824
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Speaker 3: is four years old, they already come with a ton

825
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Speaker 3: of baggage and problems that she might not ever been

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Speaker 3: able to straighten out as he got older.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and coincidentally, I was listening to the Nerve this

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Speaker 1: morning while I was getting ready, and Maureen had on

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Speaker 1: Professor Sam Vatkin on the Nerve. So he was an

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Speaker 1: author and professor of psychology, and they were talking about

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Speaker 1: the Nick Reiner case, and it just kind of went

832
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Speaker 1: hand in hand with this story. So he was saying

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Speaker 1: a majority of parricides, over ninety percent of them, are

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Speaker 1: committed by a minor, and especially teenage boys who live

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Speaker 1: with their parents, and the victims are usually parents who

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Speaker 1: are strict, rigid or pillars of the community, or have

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Speaker 1: high expectations or because they're highly regarded by others. So

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Speaker 1: I just thought that was really interesting that point came

839
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Speaker 1: up when we were covering the story today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is, and you so, I mean, and you

841
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: could see like maybe she wasn't like I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I mean our listener saying that she was a nice

843
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: lady and everything like that, but her her method of

844
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Speaker 2: pun was, I don't know what to do because like,

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Speaker 2: I've never had a kid that is sneaking out in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the night and getting law enforcement involved.

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Speaker 2: And maybe she just thought this kid's gonna end up

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Speaker 2: in jail someday, which listen, like to her defense, she

849
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: clearly saw that this kid was like a potential future

850
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Speaker 2: criminal and she was trying to scare them straight. And

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Speaker 2: so obviously there were things going on behind the scenes

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Speaker 2: that really made her think this way. And she was

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Speaker 2: right because he stabbed her to death so clearly.

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Speaker 1: Or he hit her with a hammer, yeah, Or he

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Speaker 1: hit her with.

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Speaker 2: A hammer, which is even honestly, like that's that's to me,

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Speaker 2: it's just a very a very disturbed and even more

858
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 2: disturbed person really well, yeah, and I feel like stabbing,

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Speaker 2: I mean like there is a level of what weapon

860
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Speaker 2: people decide to choose and how they decide to carry

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Speaker 2: it off that makes me think that people are on

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00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: different levels as far as their mental stability, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. Ye, meeting someone's definitely not as heinous

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Speaker 2: as like beating someone with a hammer.

865
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Speaker 1: Well, it's very intimate. And they're saying it wasn't like

866
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: self defense, it wasn't a crime of passion. You've been

867
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: talking about doing it for a while and then taking

868
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: the next step of putting her body in a trash can,

869
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: of wheeling it out to the curb hoping nobody would

870
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: find it.

871
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 2: It's just it's very like, I mean, you could hit

872
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: someone with a hammer multiple times and not even make

873
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: them unconscious. So it's just like it's very like you

874
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: want to see them suffer and you want to just

875
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: carry that out until they're dead. It's like, you know,

876
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: it's it's very crime of passion. And and like he

877
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: he was, I wonder what he was in the hospital

878
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: for at some point he was he was? Is that

879
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: the son she was talking about?

880
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, like that didn't come up at all in

881
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: the report. If he was having mental issues going on,

882
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: Well he.

883
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 2: Was having mental issues. We don't need that report, no,

884
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: But I sixteen, Like any of you out there that

885
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: has a sixteen year old right now. But being hospitalized

886
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: for it is different than just dealing with it within

887
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: your home. That's a little more intense. He's being charged

888
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: as an adult, so he's been charged on one count

889
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: of first sugree murder, desecration of a human corpse, and

890
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: unauthorized removal of a dead body. I think this is

891
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: really sad. I mean, we just don't know because we

892
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: weren't living in that house. Like, yes, our listener could

893
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: have known her and thought she was the best mom ever,

894
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: and she could have been doing these questionable.

895
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: Punishment tactics in the house. You don't know. Some people

896
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: also think punishment like that that's a little extreme with

897
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: a kid that's acting out all the time, might be

898
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: more helpful. So, like, it's just I think when you

899
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: put it from our perspective where you see she has

900
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: now died, I don't think it's extreme. I just think

901
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: it's well away. His clothes and bedding was the odd

902
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: part to me.

903
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think that she was trying to make it

904
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: like listen, if you go to jail like this is

905
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 2: what happens. You have a toilet and a bed and

906
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 2: they hand you what you're allowed to have and that's

907
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: how you have to live, and just are you comfortable

908
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: living like this? I don't think. I don't really think

909
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: that it's that it's abusive or extreme. I just think

910
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: that it's a little unusual compared to how how we

911
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: see other people parent and punish their kids. But at

912
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: the same time, I think it's safe to say that

913
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: people are not punishing their children enough. No, they're totally not.

914
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean you see a kid like freaking out in

915
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: public and being a total asshole, and their parents like,

916
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: use your words, persephony, and it's like, no, just they

917
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: need to be punished, like sometimes they need to be

918
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: grounded or yelled at for the way they're acting. You

919
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: don't even know because it's like you're out in public.

920
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: Especially when I worked at the restaurant, it was so bad,

921
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: so bad, these kids acting out in the restaurant and

922
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: their parents just totally eyes glazed over, letting them do

923
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: whatever they want. It's insane.

924
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean, but we're not talking about little kids.

925
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: We're talking about an older like and almost but I'm

926
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: saying just like in general the way, but like, yeah,

927
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: if a kid is sneaking out at night, and then

928
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: law enforcement and then running away from the cops or something.

929
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I just don't. I think

930
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: it's weird, a little weird, but I just don't. I

931
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: don't think that it would be conserned like Ruby Frank

932
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 2: was like like injuring her children and putting cayenne pepper

933
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: in their injuries, Like that's just.

934
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: No, for sure. I'm just more so pointing out like

935
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: more of the situation with the older some we talked

936
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: about him on YouTube live a couple of weeks ago,

937
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: where like she told him he couldn't sleep in his

938
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: bed for a couple of months if he had to

939
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: sleep on a bean bag, right, like.

940
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and that was other things that were unusual

941
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: about that case, because I remember that was that that

942
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: particular case that that mom had a little kid, like

943
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: a sick year old that was in first grade that

944
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: would forget her lunch and then the teacher would call

945
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: and say, hi, so and so forgot their lunch. And

946
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: then she would call and say, well, she forgot it.

947
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: That's her problem. She's not eating today. Yes, yeah, so

948
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: And that's like a little and and honestly, like when

949
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: you listen to that, it's just like do you wait

950
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: do you remember that.

951
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: I was.

952
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: I had met a mom at a library a couple

953
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: like years ago when I was homeschool and the kids

954
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: when they were little kids, and then she told me

955
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: that her daughter was being bad. She said, my daughter

956
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: was being bad, so Sanna didn't come for her. And

957
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: I was like, what that she fucked so and then

958
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: like the kid, it was so messed up. And then

959
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: the kid, like the kid woke up in the morning

960
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: and there were no presents for Santa, and the mom

961
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: was just like, you weren't being good. She was, she

962
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 2: was like six. And then that's when I was like,

963
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: I can't talk to this lady anymore, like she there's

964
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 2: something like not right with this lea exactly.

965
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: There's a fine line. There is a fine line. I've

966
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: been punishing your kid and being a monster. I want

967
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 1: like I had.

968
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: A pain in my heart and wanted to throw up

969
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 2: when I heard that. I was like, that's the meanest

970
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: thing that you could ever do to a kid.

971
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: Especially for a six year old, Like what could they

972
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: be doing? That's that terrible? So little, But that's what

973
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: Ruby Frank did that with her two young kids too.

974
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: They didn't get Christmas presents one year, and she made

975
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: them watch all the other kids open all their presence,

976
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: like it's.

977
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: Fine if you don't celebrate, and that's the thing, but

978
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 2: like when your kids expected I just think that that's

979
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: like a whole other level of a crazy person.

980
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And I think that's where this case is

981
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: hard to analyze because I think to some people it

982
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: could seem like, well, she was just trying to give

983
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: them a dose of reality, But then to some people,

984
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna see it as extremely abusive, especially if he's

985
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: had a life full of trauma. So it's just hard

986
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: to say because you don't live in the house and

987
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: you're not witnessing it firsthand.

988
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: All right, Our last story is one of the craziest

989
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: ones I've heard in a long time.

990
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: So at an olive garden last week, Cook reportedly took

991
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: all his clothes off and then dunked his head into

992
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: the deep fire to kill himself.

993
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: So I haven't heard this in any news reports, but

994
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: a lot of the Reddit threads are saying that he

995
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: was high on PCP, which would actually make sense to

996
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 2: me because PCP is a drug that people take. It's

997
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: called like wet or angel dust, and it causes disassociative

998
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: properties when you take it, so you just completely don't

999
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: understand what's real from what's reality. And another interesting thing

1000
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: with that drug is that it causes an increase in

1001
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: body temperature. So is it possible that he took that

1002
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: drug he was really really hot and decided to just

1003
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: stick his head in a vat of what he thought

1004
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: was water and then just stuck it in there. Or

1005
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: was he screaming that he wanted to kill himself and

1006
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: then put his head in there, Like, I'm not sure

1007
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: exactly how that went down, but that would actually make

1008
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: me feel better about the situation, honestly.

1009
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it's like, obviously he's a very disturbed

1010
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: person to do that, but then to think about everybody

1011
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: else that had to witness that is so horrific. Some

1012
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: people got burned trying to get him out of there.

1013
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't. I don't even want to know

1014
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: what something like that would look like.

1015
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: It's It's just that was my first question, Like, what

1016
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 2: does this autopsy look like? Geez? Like, I mean those friars,

1017
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: let's say, so it's at olive gardens, so they're using

1018
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: it to do like their chicken palm and their mozzarella

1019
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 2: sticks or whatever they sell that's fried, right, So you're

1020
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: thinking that the temperature of that oil is like three

1021
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty to four hundred degrees, right, yeah, I

1022
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: mean and sticking sticking what We had a story a

1023
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago that, remember there was a kid

1024
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 2: that was working at McDonald's and his ear bud fell

1025
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: in there, yes, and he went he instinctively went in.

1026
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 2: I mean, that kid's going to have lifelong problems from

1027
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 2: having his hand burned like that, probably looking at surgery,

1028
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: skin grafts, all of that, and he'll have problems for

1029
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 2: the rest of his life because of that. This particular case,

1030
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: I mean, think about four hundred degrees three hundred and

1031
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 2: fifty degrees being immersed with oil. So it's not like

1032
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: sticking your hand in water. That's that hot oil. It

1033
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: doesn't come off of your skin, so it continues to

1034
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: cook it even after you come out of it. You can't,

1035
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: you know, like think about your eyeballs being exposed to

1036
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 2: something like that, your airway, the swelling that occurs. I mean,

1037
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: like he could have been brought to the hospital, but

1038
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: I just I don't even know, Like I feel like

1039
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: the employees at the hospital as well as the medical

1040
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: examiner had to do the autopsy on this too, are

1041
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: probably just like all traumatized by this because it's not

1042
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: often that you see somebody that was burned in this

1043
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: particular way.

1044
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: No, and how do you get that out of your head?

1045
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: So somebody that witnessed something like that.

1046
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, obviously, like you're at the hospital.

1047
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: It's better for the people that are working at the hospital,

1048
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: but the actual witnesses, especially people that aren't working in medicine.

1049
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: They're working at Olive Garden. Apparently there was a customer

1050
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: there that witnessed it too. I just I have no

1051
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: I have no idea like how it went down, But

1052
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: I am curious if any of you know any more

1053
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: of the story. I really would love to hear more.

1054
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: And this happened on a Friday afternoon and they did close,

1055
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: but they have since reopened.

1056
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: So business goes on.

1057
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: What business goes on? I mean, I guess it's like

1058
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: what it's like the.

1059
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: Weekend, dude, it's like ever everlasting Postibles or whatever they

1060
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: call it.

1061
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: What is it called that?

1062
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it like an all you can eat possible

1063
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: that you that, you know, it's Friday night, Like, come on.

1064
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: They got that and the unlimited soup salad breadstick situation.

1065
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I I just I don't know, I understand they have

1066
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: they can hear the mountains. Yeah, I saw it was

1067
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania.

1068
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I think it's in that town where

1069
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: they do the Little League World Series, isn't it?

1070
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: Oh?

1071
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 2: Is it Williamsport or something.

1072
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, how do you go back to

1073
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: work two days later and just act like this horrific

1074
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: thing didn't happen there?

1075
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to have to. I mean, they have

1076
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: to get someone there to deal with this trauma at

1077
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: the work, to talk to the workers and stuff, because

1078
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: I can't imagine they're probably like they're probably young people too,

1079
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: you know.

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00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. All right, onto your questions and emails.

1081
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: If you have a question or a story for us,

1082
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: please submit it to stories at Mothernosdeath dot com and

1083
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: try to keep them brief, because we've been getting really

1084
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,959
Speaker 1: good ones, but they're really long, and I can't read

1085
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: that concern.

1086
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's not that. It's just for times sake, Yeah,

1087
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: just for times sake.

1088
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: All right. This one's from HB. I love your show

1089
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: and recently listen to the episode where you discuss beauty

1090
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: parlor syndrome you discussed. Really your discussion really resonated with

1091
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: me because of my own experience. In twenty seventeen, at

1092
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, I sustained a vertebral artery dissection

1093
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: on my right side with a TIA after hurting my

1094
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: neck at the gym. I temporarily lost control of my

1095
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: left side and lost vision in my left eye, and

1096
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: while in the ICU, I began seeing flashes of light

1097
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: in the same eye. It took a year and a

1098
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: half and three different eye doctors to finally discover I

1099
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: had a retinal tear, which required laser correction. I still

1100
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: have floaters in my left eye, and prior to this incident,

1101
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: had no issues with vision. It is still unknown if

1102
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: or how these events are related, and it's been a

1103
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: big mystery, but I am happy to say that the

1104
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: dissection has fared well and no surgical intervention was needed

1105
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: for that part. Life is normal now minus roller coasters.

1106
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: Wishing you both a great year ahead.

1107
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to put out a wild theory

1108
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: here that they could be related, so I know that

1109
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: the vertebra artery dissection you have was caused by trauma

1110
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: you had at the gym. But is it possible that

1111
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: you might have some kind of a connective tissue thing

1112
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: going on that's making your vessels and your retina more

1113
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: prone to tearing from minimal trauma. So sometimes when you

1114
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: have a condition like that, the things tear easier with trauma.

1115
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: So is it possible. I don't know, but maybe you

1116
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: want to consider that because it is unusual for a

1117
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: person of your age twenty five years old to get

1118
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: a vertebral artery dissection and then on top of that

1119
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 2: to detach retina too. That's the thing that happens in

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00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: older people. And if you didn't have any kind of

1121
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: like severe trauma that you recognized, especially with your eye,

1122
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: it's just a little unusual. So I don't know, maybe

1123
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 2: just bring that up to your doctor. I'm not trying

1124
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: to say that you have that or anything. You're not dying,

1125
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: but just it's something that's good to know, especially for

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00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: a younger person.

1127
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Day next is from Jordan. Hi, Nicole and Maria

1128
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: just wanted to say how proud I am of Maria

1129
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: for doing IVF. Thanks. I too understand the struggle. I'm

1130
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: a labor and delivery nurse and see the worst people

1131
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: coming in to deliver babies, and it's so shitty and

1132
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: unfair to good couples who have a hard time conceiving.

1133
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: My husband and I are going through fertility issues too,

1134
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: and hope to start IVF at the end of this week.

1135
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: Good luck with the rest of your pregnancy and delivery

1136
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: when it comes time. Love you guys, love the show

1137
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: and the Grossroom. Thank you very much for your sweet words,

1138
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: and good luck with your fertility journey. I know this

1139
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: is the most stressful time.

1140
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: Of all, but you will get through it. I think

1141
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 2: that it's hard. It's hard for her because she sees

1142
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: I saw like I didn't ever work on the labor

1143
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: and delivery, obviously, but I worked in pathology, so I

1144
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: got all of the placentas, and like reading the amount

1145
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: of times people were pregnant. It doesn't you know, and

1146
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,479
Speaker 2: just like they were pregnant all these times, you didn't

1147
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: have these babies, all these abortions, all these people on drugs,

1148
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: all this stuff. I can imagine just seeing that all

1149
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: the time when you're trying to have a baby, When

1150
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: people like have no respect for it at all. And

1151
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: just like you said, the worst people ever are giving

1152
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: birth to kids, and you can't when you want to

1153
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: give this kid like a loving home and everything. It's it.

1154
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: It just makes it worse to have to see that

1155
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: day in and day out.

1156
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: Oh totally. I mean every story we covered was so difficult,

1157
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: and it was like I didn't even tell you for

1158
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: a full year. I had been trying like it was

1159
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: and it was like a secret struggle because I was like,

1160
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: I'm strong and I could go through this. And then

1161
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: it just kept getting harder and harder. And then it's

1162
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: like my husband would come home from work and be like,

1163
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: you don't know how many men come into the barber

1164
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: shop and are just like, oh, I got a baby,

1165
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: Shit my kids this weekend, Like my life's for a wind,

1166
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And he's just like, fuck you, Like

1167
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: do you know what I would do to have a

1168
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: baby right now? And you're just sitting here with like

1169
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: three kids, totally ungrateful for the family you have. And

1170
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: I think it's just a lot of that and people

1171
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: have kids and they definitely take it for granted. I

1172
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: think I always wanted to be a mom but I

1173
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: think going through this experience made me appreciate it so

1174
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: much more and is really making me. I'm not gonna say, like,

1175
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: love my baby Moore, obviously, it's gonna love my baby

1176
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: no matter what, but it definitely makes you have like

1177
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: a whole new appreciation for it.

1178
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: Agreed, But good luck especially, You'll be fine.

1179
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: No, totally all right. Last question is, Maria, will you

1180
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: take some time when the baby arrives? So first question

1181
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: for you, am I allowed? No, Yeah, we don't. She

1182
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: can have a day.

1183
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 2: We're actually gonna We're actually gonna pull a Kylie Kelsey

1184
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: and she's going to be the quickest person that's podcasting

1185
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 2: post giving birth. I might actually be there on live

1186
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: stream as it's happening and with a microphone in her face.

1187
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 2: And then uh yeah, well we'll see.

1188
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: We don't know what it looks like yet, per se.

1189
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: I will be off a little bit. It won't be

1190
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: crazy long or anything. I think we should just try

1191
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: to do an episode straight out of the hospital room.

1192
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: Why not. I'm gonna beat her game.

1193
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like the problem is is that that technically

1194
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 2: would require me to do something that I am not

1195
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: capable of doing. If you want to do a live

1196
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: episode on like a phone, and then I mean, I

1197
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: guess I could bring a microphone, but like this whole

1198
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: setup is just a little bit too much for me.

1199
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: But well we'll figure it out. Then, you know, she'll

1200
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 2: like like give her a week. No, she's not taking

1201
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 2: off like a normal maternity leave because she doesn't have

1202
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 2: a normal job.

1203
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: But well I don't have a normal job, and like

1204
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: that's not that's not how I roll. I have. I

1205
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: need to work, like like I can't not do it,

1206
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: and it's really you know, it'll be a lot, but

1207
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: it's not that much. Like it's not like I have

1208
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: to work forty hours a week to make this show happen, right,

1209
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: Like I could pop on at least one time a week.

1210
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: For now. There will not be any laps in a

1211
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: episodes though, so like the show will continue. We're probably

1212
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: gonna have some guests on, We'll maybe have some stuff

1213
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: pre recorded. The show will not be off, so no,

1214
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: no be getting new episodes regardless.

1215
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 2: But I keep trying to think of, like, all right,

1216
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 2: who am I gonna have on? Like obviously Cheryl, I'll

1217
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: have like Cheryl Tom Lauren.

1218
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, but they get probably send in suggestions too, right,

1219
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: if they have people that were just not aware, Yeah,

1220
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: they want a particular gut.

1221
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could see if like Joseph or something,

1222
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: I feel like we need like a person like I

1223
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: feel like Lauren will be really good to bounce off

1224
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 2: with you. But like maybe we could do Gandhi and

1225
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: something like. I don't know, I'll just I'll just see,

1226
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: Like I'll talk to all of them at Elvis Duran,

1227
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: and they're gonna help us out with a big part

1228
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: of your job, which is like the behind a lot

1229
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 2: of the behind the scenes stuff. So as far as

1230
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: you recording goes, I think that even if maybe you

1231
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: just hop on a little bit, you know, it's just

1232
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: if you could get time, We'll just send mo mom

1233
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: over there and have her watch the baby in the

1234
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: other room for an hour or something. But we'll figure

1235
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 2: it out. It's just like it's just something we need

1236
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: to figure out.

1237
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'll come back in some capacity probably like

1238
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: maybe at first I won't be on every single episode

1239
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: of the week, right, but I'll do at least one

1240
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: just to have something. But yeah, them taking over a

1241
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: lot of the work I do behind the scenes is

1242
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: gonna be really helpful. There definitely will not be any

1243
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: laps in episodes. I guess expect around May June. It

1244
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: might get a little weird for me, just like not

1245
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: be the typical three news episodes a week. We might

1246
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: have a filler in here or there to account for it.

1247
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: I you know, I the thing about childbirth and me

1248
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: being extreme a type person is that I don't really

1249
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: have control over when this happens, so it's kind of

1250
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: hard to plan for it, right. So like I could

1251
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: in theory go in birth the beginning of May, even

1252
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: though I'm not due till the end of May, and

1253
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: then we'll just have to scram and figure that out. Regardless,

1254
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: it won't really change for you guys, but oh it'll

1255
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: change or.

1256
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: Gonna like if I have to do it by myself,

1257
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 2: it's gonna be very very awkward and boring.

1258
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,479
Speaker 1: No, I'll be on and then we'll have good guests

1259
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: that are familiar voices on here, so you don't have

1260
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: to worry about that. And we'll try to pre record

1261
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: some stuff too, just so you have some more of

1262
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: the regular content we typically cover. But don't worry, your

1263
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 1: content will not be affected by this baby.

1264
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 2: So we're all worried about it.

1265
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: No, it'll be good. Okay. We have some Valentine's Day

1266
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: merch for sale. I know it's coming up this weekend,

1267
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: and if you want to surprise your loved one with

1268
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: a sexy gift or a sexy gift for yourself, you

1269
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: should head over to the doormattershop dot com. And then

1270
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: don't forget. We have our show at the City Vineyard

1271
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: in New York City in only a week and a half,

1272
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: which is insane. So excited to see everybody.

1273
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 2: I am excited too, and a lot of our friends

1274
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 2: are going, so that that'll be really exciting. A lot

1275
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: of our friends, our husbands are.

1276
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: Going, husbands are going. We're gonna have a little bit

1277
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: of merch there you could buy. My husband has been

1278
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: informed he is the merch boy, so you talk to

1279
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: him there. I think we're gonna have some books for

1280
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: sale too, and we're gonna try to figure out just

1281
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: how awesome we could make the day for you guys.

1282
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so make sure that you head over to what's

1283
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 2: the website to get the tickets we have.

1284
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: You could go to this City Vineyard website in New

1285
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: York City and find the tickets there or in the

1286
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: gross room where we have them linked in the description

1287
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: of every episode on anywhere you get podcasts. Anywhere you're

1288
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: listening YouTube, the link is in the description of this episode.

1289
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: There is not a crazy amount of tickets, so I

1290
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: definitely wouldn't wait super long. The room is not very big,

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Speaker 1: so you definitely don't want to miss out, and they

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Speaker 1: have pretty good food there that you could eat while

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Speaker 1: watching us talk about pretty gnarly things.

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Speaker 2: So I know, I'm like, I forgot about the food

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Speaker 2: part of it, because I don't want to turn anyone

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Speaker 2: off with because we might have the ability to put

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Speaker 2: some pictures up to.

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Speaker 1: If they listen to they could deal.

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Speaker 2: If that happens. I don't want to be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: because I was just sending pictures. I was trying to

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Speaker 2: send pictures of something to my father in law last

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Speaker 2: night of a really gnarly fire death, because I had it.

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Speaker 2: It's a very old case. But I had a question

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Speaker 2: because he was a fireman back in that time period,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, sorry, if you're eating dinner

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Speaker 2: right now, so so yeah, all right, cool, I'll look

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Speaker 2: forward to that that that's going to be fun.

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Speaker 1: And if you guys come all of the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: ask us questions live in person as well. We do

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Speaker 1: that every live show, so it's always fun. Or you

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Speaker 1: could share your weird stories to a room full of people.

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow, guys. Thank you for listening to Mother

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Speaker 2: Nos Death. As a reminder, my training is as a

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Speaker 2: pathologist assistant. I have a master's level education and specialize

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Speaker 2: in it anatomy and pathology education. I am not a

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Speaker 2: doctor and I have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead

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Speaker 2: or alive without the assistance of a licensed medical doctor.

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Speaker 2: to educate and inform people based on my experience working

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Speaker 2: in pathology, so they can make healthier decisions regarding their

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Speaker 2: life and well being. Always remember that science is changing

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Speaker 2: every day and the opinions expressed in this episode are

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Speaker 2: based on my knowledge of those subjects at the time

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Speaker 2: of publication. If you are having a medical problem, have

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Speaker 3: Wow