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Speaker 2: We're back, everybody, and we just witnessed profound moment I
Speaker 2: think in American history great.
Speaker 1: I'm feel great about the country out of her Bik.
Speaker 2: That one's going down in the history books. I mean,
Speaker 2: the single takeaway. I wish we could sit here as
Speaker 2: people who like policy and who would like to get
Speaker 2: into the back and forth, and the profound truth is
Speaker 2: we just witnessed, I mean one of the saddest political moments,
Speaker 2: like maybe the political death of Joe Biden and the
Speaker 2: absolute just shocking nature of his appearance, of his delivery.
Speaker 2: Even whenever we were trying to parse the substance crystal,
Speaker 2: the four of us, we just we couldn't even get
Speaker 2: to what he was saying incomprehensible.
Speaker 3: The coughing.
Speaker 2: He coughed a record five times in the first thirty
Speaker 2: seconds of the debate. And I mean, I'm just sitting
Speaker 2: here stunned. I don't know what else I could say.
Speaker 1: I mean two words elder abuse. Yeah, it was painful
Speaker 1: to watch. It's like from the jump.
Speaker 3: It was painful.
Speaker 1: His voice, his face, his inability to maintain a single
Speaker 1: train of thought. It was horrendous. And like I mean,
Speaker 1: Trump is all over the place and said all kinds
Speaker 1: of things that I can't stand. Lies and doesn't answer
Speaker 1: the question whatever. But like you said, Zager, I can't
Speaker 1: even get to like, oh, let's talk about there are.
Speaker 4: Different stances on it.
Speaker 1: First of all, I don't really have the different stances
Speaker 1: on immigration, but or Israel or any number of other issues.
Speaker 1: But you know, I would love to get into, oh,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Biden's antitrust to talk about labor policy.
Speaker 4: No one who.
Speaker 1: Watched this debate is going to get past the fact
Speaker 1: that he was so much worse than I think we've been,
Speaker 1: you know, expecting, we know that Biden is not where
Speaker 1: he was. We expected some problems in this debate. This
Speaker 1: was so far beyond what I anticipated. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say.
Speaker 5: Ryan, Yeah, it felt like he spent way too much
Speaker 5: time at Camp David rehearsing, like practicing.
Speaker 3: With the statistics. Did you know the statistics?
Speaker 5: He had all these stats, and he had a couple
Speaker 5: of what you could tell were supposed to be one liners,
Speaker 5: but he got through like half the line. I think
Speaker 5: I saw him heading over our neighborhood around four thirty
Speaker 5: or so, so like he just kind of got into
Speaker 5: town if.
Speaker 3: That was, stepped off the plane and was there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was just worn out, and his voice
Speaker 5: from the very beginning was awkward. So people are now,
Speaker 5: like in the Democratic Party are thinking it's funny. But
Speaker 5: in the beginning of this, I said, there are some
Speaker 5: decent number of grassroots Democrats who are kind of hoping
Speaker 5: that he has such a poor performance tonight that it
Speaker 5: just forces him off the ticket. They have to pull
Speaker 5: not because they don't like Biden, but because they want
Speaker 5: to beat Trump.
Speaker 1: So do you think this was that performance?
Speaker 3: It was that performance?
Speaker 2: If it was anything into this, I mean, that is
Speaker 2: the worst possible that is. Yeah, so the worst moment
Speaker 2: of his life.
Speaker 1: So we should know Emily, Well, Charlie, she's doing something else.
Speaker 1: We didn't kick Emily off the island. We love Emily.
Speaker 1: She wanted me to share with you. She also thought
Speaker 1: he looked old and terrible.
Speaker 3: Well, she said old as fuck. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's actually she.
Speaker 1: Said, he's oldest fuck and she'll share more of her
Speaker 1: thoughts than she returns.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean listen. Going into this, I was like, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be by like right. Anyone who thinks they're gonna
Speaker 1: pull him, you're delusional. It's gonna be Joe Biden, Like,
Speaker 1: deal with it. We all need to live in the
Speaker 1: realm of reality. This is when it's hitting home. After this,
Speaker 1: I'm like, hmm, maybe I'm very curious. I shouldn't say
Speaker 1: this because it will incentivize people to switch over to
Speaker 1: the mainstream coverage. I am actually curious what they're saying
Speaker 1: on MSNBC and CNN because I know the cope. Somebody
Speaker 1: tweeted out like, oh, I have two sources who say
Speaker 1: as a cold.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't even know how close so that
Speaker 2: Biden campaign Crystal has called every mainstream reporter in the
Speaker 2: country and has gotten them to run the reporter. Two
Speaker 2: sources say he has a cold and as I said,
Speaker 2: presumably when you have a cold, you take suit, a
Speaker 2: fed or something with pseudofet.
Speaker 4: We know that what a cold looks for. That's what
Speaker 4: it doesn't look like. Your brain melting in real time, stone.
Speaker 3: Face, the open mouth gape.
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who has an elderly person in their
Speaker 2: life has understood what we all just witnessed. It was
Speaker 2: horrifying almost from the very beginning. And just to give
Speaker 2: people a taste too, as you said, Crystal two of
Speaker 2: what the mainstream coverage was, let's put F one please
Speaker 2: up on the screen, just to give people an idea
Speaker 2: of how such an mitigated disaster. This is from the AP,
Speaker 2: the AP, the most middle of the road mainstream, and
Speaker 2: this is what they put out on their newswire to
Speaker 2: their entire subscriber service. Quote in the first half hour
Speaker 2: of the debate, a raspby Biden delivers rambling answers while
Speaker 2: Trump counters with energy and falsehoods. But even they have
Speaker 2: to say rasby Biden, rambling answers, and they even have
Speaker 2: to acknowledge Trump counters with energy. This is also where
Speaker 2: I have to eat the Bible. He does, yes, he was,
Speaker 2: but he's Trump. But I would I would say this too.
Speaker 2: The rules unambiguously worked in the favor of Trump. There's
Speaker 2: no question. I think that was one of the top
Speaker 2: five performances of his life because he just seemed like
Speaker 2: relatively normal. He had a few moments, you know, there's
Speaker 2: some stop to steal there at the end. People aren't
Speaker 2: going to like that. Even on abortion, he was a
Speaker 2: little bit all over the place. But the whole point
Speaker 2: is we can't sit here and parse because the average person,
Speaker 2: and I want everybody at home to think about this,
Speaker 2: the average person in your life, your father, your sister,
Speaker 2: your cousin, the person who doesn't watch anything but they
Speaker 2: did watch this. What are they going to take away?
Speaker 2: It ain't anything to do with late term abortion. It
Speaker 2: is oh my.
Speaker 3: God, what is going on in front of us? Go ahead, Crystal.
Speaker 1: So Kyle texted me an update from MSNBC. He says
Speaker 1: they're waving the towel. Nicole Wallace said people will be
Speaker 1: talking about whether he should be in the nice Wow.
Speaker 3: So wow.
Speaker 5: The MSNBC folks are probably talking to some of the
Speaker 5: same people types of people in Washington that I'm talking to.
Speaker 3: And yes, they're absolutely completely panicked.
Speaker 5: People who have been involved in politics for decades, who
Speaker 5: two hours ago were saying, put your big boy pants on,
Speaker 5: like he's.
Speaker 6: The stop wetting the bed, like all this stuff, there's
Speaker 6: no mechanism.
Speaker 5: Some of them are still saying, look, so these are
Speaker 5: the different paths.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Some are saying something's got to give.
Speaker 5: This is insane, like these are very sober, centrist minded
Speaker 5: like Washington creatures. Some of them are saying, something's got
Speaker 5: to give, and we've got it from the control room.
Speaker 2: They're telling us that CNN has called his his call
Speaker 2: his performance, quote dismal Griffin saying, quote CNN saying it's joke.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just it is unambiguous and to
Speaker 2: a certain extent, I look not so much of a
Speaker 2: victory lap.
Speaker 3: Crystal Howm and Ryan too.
Speaker 2: How many recriminations have we all received over the last
Speaker 2: five years for pointing out apology? But I do, I
Speaker 2: genuinely do want an apology. This was foisted upon the
Speaker 2: American people. People in the White House. You should be
Speaker 2: ashamed of yourself, Jake Sullivan and all the other folks
Speaker 2: who see this stuff up close. We've been reporting it
Speaker 2: here day after day. G seven leaders, he's gotten worse.
Speaker 2: We have the public moments. But to see this up
Speaker 2: close ninety minutes with no filters insane. I mean, we're
Speaker 2: in twenty fifth Amendment territory. Is this man alive? Like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 4: So I want to hear what the other Washington. So
Speaker 4: you've got the.
Speaker 3: One group that one group is saying, yeah, like this
Speaker 3: is crazy, this can't go on. That has to change.
Speaker 5: The other group is saying, no, there's no way to
Speaker 5: get him off. But what we're gonna do is we're
Speaker 5: going to focus on the House and Senate. Basically, I
Speaker 5: didn't like.
Speaker 7: Give up.
Speaker 6: That's the idea, give up the end of Democrats that
Speaker 6: always work and make you and make the argument for
Speaker 6: Biden that he has a very good staff and that
Speaker 6: you want democrats making nominating the appointees.
Speaker 5: You want Democrats in control of these agencies. All right,
Speaker 5: and you're probably going to lose, but you can maybe
Speaker 5: win the House and Senate. Okay, And we went into this, Wait.
Speaker 4: Isn't there third third group? No, that's basically that's it. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 1: There's there's no just delusional and he was great. I
Speaker 1: thought he was very strong.
Speaker 3: There's none of that absolutely zero.
Speaker 5: And before this, the the the normal Democratic Senate candidate
Speaker 5: like a tester or a Jackie Rosen or something, was
Speaker 5: running about five to six points ahead of Biden already,
Speaker 5: which showed you that there isn't And Democrats are heartened
Speaker 5: by this in the sense that they're like, oh, look,
Speaker 5: the public likes Democrats, right, they just don't like Biden. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like, well but Biden is your nominee, right, but
Speaker 5: that so they already had a five point gap before
Speaker 5: this that could widen to something historic. Team You've never
Speaker 5: had a situation where the candidates are kind of pulling,
Speaker 5: I mean the House and Senate candidates are pulling the presidential.
Speaker 1: Usually they talk about coattails.
Speaker 3: Coattails.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the opposite dynamic. Barack Obama brings along all
Speaker 1: these people, right, It's no, it's it's incredible. I mean,
Speaker 1: tell me this, Ryan, from the people you're talking to
Speaker 1: in Washington, like, what did they think of the state
Speaker 1: of his condition going into this, Because what I was
Speaker 1: thinking about is, you know, your rank and file Democratic
Speaker 1: House member, Senate member, even staffer, they don't really have
Speaker 1: access to him. We get these reports, you know, Jamie
Speaker 1: Harrison won't come out. Oh you should see him behind
Speaker 1: closed doors. He's really firecracker. But the reality is that,
Speaker 1: based on the reporting, his circle has gotten smaller and
Speaker 1: smaller and smaller. So the number of people who are
Speaker 1: even in a position to be aware that this is
Speaker 1: the reality now of what we're dealing with is actually
Speaker 1: probably pretty small. So just as we're viewing this with shock,
Speaker 1: and again we were under no illusions about Biden's level
Speaker 1: of decline at this point. But even for us, we thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: he'll get the drug cocktail usually rises to them, you'll
Speaker 1: get something going. There's not one moment I could point
Speaker 1: to this in this debate and be like, oh, he
Speaker 1: did a good job. There not one right, So for
Speaker 1: many of them it has to come as equally of
Speaker 1: an eye opening moment, if not more, because they were
Speaker 1: probably buying some of the delusions about the like oh,
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, they say he's great.
Speaker 5: And also they think it doesn't matter that much because
Speaker 5: the administration is on autopilot. They don't deal directly with Biden.
Speaker 5: They have their handler that they deal with in the administration.
Speaker 5: They want something, they know who to call. It's only
Speaker 5: Chuck Schumer.
Speaker 1: The gears are turning and the way they're expecting them.
Speaker 5: To turn right, as long as the year's turn and
Speaker 5: he's hopped up enough for the State of the Union
Speaker 5: and the debates, Yeah, then they're like, all right, this
Speaker 5: is not ideal, but we'll go with it. But when
Speaker 5: you can't even get hopped up for the debate.
Speaker 2: David Axelrod's Obama's former what is a communications director?
Speaker 3: He says on CNN.
Speaker 2: I think there was a sense of shock how he
Speaker 2: came out at the very beginning of the dibitate.
Speaker 1: Let's actually play, let's play for people. This is F
Speaker 1: four the beat Medicare moment, because it was from the
Speaker 1: very first word. First of all, the voice is bad,
Speaker 1: the look is bad, the walking on the stage is bad.
Speaker 1: Like everything is slow. He's having trouble whining, he is coughing.
Speaker 1: But this was the moment when we all looked at
Speaker 1: each other and we're.
Speaker 2: Like, we shall if you want to roll the tape,
Speaker 2: you can actually go back and see that moment.
Speaker 3: All of us covered our mouths.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh all right, so play F four the beat
Speaker 1: Medicare moment for us.
Speaker 8: Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary
Speaker 8: person eligible for what I've been able to do with
Speaker 8: the COVID excuse me, with dealing with everything we have
Speaker 8: to do with what if we finally beat medicare?
Speaker 3: Thank you President Biden, President.
Speaker 1: Trump, Well, he's right. He did beat medicare, beat it
Speaker 1: to death, and he's destroying medicare. We fully beat medicare.
Speaker 1: That after struggling around for what he was even talking about,
Speaker 1: I mean, medicare had nothing to do with what the
Speaker 1: original question was it. And there were many other moments
Speaker 1: that were similarly discomforting.
Speaker 2: I want to say too about Trump. One of the
Speaker 2: strengths that he had in this debate was he only
Speaker 2: a couple of times said something along the lines if
Speaker 2: he doesn't even know what he's saying, challenge him to
Speaker 2: the cognitive test. You can see there though at one
Speaker 2: point Trump Biden was delivering an equivalently incoherent old man
Speaker 2: answer and Trump is just smirking and sitting there.
Speaker 3: But he didn't jump on the bait.
Speaker 2: So this is where there was a There was like
Speaker 2: a level of discipline I haven't seen from Trump in
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 3: The rules helped him.
Speaker 2: He didn't jump in there, allowed Biden to hang himself,
Speaker 2: and I think I even said that. I was like, hey,
Speaker 2: I went back and found a tweet a couple of
Speaker 2: days ago, and I was like, hey, I don't think
Speaker 2: that these rules are going to have Trump and I go.
Speaker 2: But the alternative is that it will force Trump to
Speaker 2: sit back, and if Biden has an old man moment,
Speaker 2: the focus will one hundred percent beyond him. And I
Speaker 2: mean he he didn't just have an old man moment.
Speaker 2: It was ninety minutes of just weird old man stuff already. Yeah,
Speaker 2: here we go. CN is David ax Rod. There are
Speaker 2: going to be discussions on if he should continue the name.
Speaker 3: Yah.
Speaker 1: According to Mac producer Mac, there's a lot of time
Speaker 1: until the convention of Biden will allow us to.
Speaker 3: Go there we go.
Speaker 2: I mean we're in full on for you that mode
Speaker 2: we were talking and actually, Ry, this's the question after
Speaker 2: you I said, I said only Obama can bring this
Speaker 2: to an end.
Speaker 3: But do you think even Obama could bring this to
Speaker 3: an end? I think he called it and said it's
Speaker 3: it's over. Joe also, it's over.
Speaker 5: And we need to like put responsibility on people who
Speaker 5: have like people like Chuck Schumer and rakeem Jeffries. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like if they said something publicly right now. It would
Speaker 5: change the equation. It would have opened it up to
Speaker 5: a real question. And there is nothing stopping Chuck Schumer
Speaker 5: or Hkeem Jeffery from going out and saying something. They're
Speaker 5: not even Obama, but they're you know, they're significant players.
Speaker 5: What that would do is that would signal to their
Speaker 5: troops that they're allowed to talk about it openly as well.
Speaker 5: So these are grown adults who have agency, who have
Speaker 5: an opportunity to do something for their party right now
Speaker 5: that they know they ought to do, and they're probably
Speaker 5: not going to do it. They're probably going to say, well,
Speaker 5: he's the nominee, and we.
Speaker 1: Also should go back because there was after the midterms,
Speaker 1: there was a whole lot of circling the wagons to
Speaker 1: make sure that a Gavin Newsom or whoever didn't jump
Speaker 1: in because the midterm performance was better than expected. That
Speaker 1: was successful. Then you get to the primaries and you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, there's just complete complete blackout of all
Speaker 1: the candidates who did challenge him, and then in certain
Speaker 1: states they just literally did not hold primaries right there
Speaker 1: were no debates Florida, North Carolina, there were a number
Speaker 1: of places where they're just like, we're just literally not
Speaker 1: going to do a primary. And so yeah, anyone who
Speaker 1: could have at any moment who had the knowledge of
Speaker 1: this is what we're dealing with, could have spoken up,
Speaker 1: could have pushed in another direction, could have shed some
Speaker 1: light and reality here, and instead chose to go in
Speaker 1: a different direction and pretend and leak these anecdotes. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I have trouble keeping up with him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, so many times.
Speaker 1: I mean, these people are shameless liars. If you've had
Speaker 1: any exposure to him and you're out there doing the
Speaker 1: oh he's the real he's a real spitfire behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: You guys wouldn't believe. And I can't keep up with him.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah, Like no one believed you. And certainly
Speaker 1: now it is so clear not only are you lying,
Speaker 1: but by your own definition, you believe this is an
Speaker 1: existential election. You believe democracy is on the ballot and
Speaker 1: women's rights are on the ballot, and you are risking
Speaker 1: all of that for your career. I mean, because they're
Speaker 1: afraid to speak out. They're afraid they'll be persona and
Speaker 1: grata in the Democratic Party, and so they all stay silent.
Speaker 1: They all close ranks, and this is what they and
Speaker 1: we in the whole country.
Speaker 2: Are also the level of outrage we shall have now
Speaker 2: for them not allowing that primary to happen, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, that was one of the most undemocratic and
Speaker 2: in retrospect to with Biden, I said this to all
Speaker 2: of you privately. I mean, he will go down as
Speaker 2: one of the most selfish men in American history. I mean,
Speaker 2: just complete the arrogance, the selfishness.
Speaker 1: That is true, although at this point, I really I
Speaker 1: feel more about it the way I became to feel
Speaker 1: about Diane Feinstein, which is like, it's the people around her.
Speaker 1: You're right, because she got to a point where she
Speaker 1: was so out of it she didn't know that she
Speaker 1: was out of it.
Speaker 3: But he's not at that level. He's still there. Maybe
Speaker 3: he could.
Speaker 2: I mean I think he is there enough where I
Speaker 2: don't know. And this is one of those where again
Speaker 2: I think everyone can tell, like we're all like in
Speaker 2: a state of shock. The big question is, and this
Speaker 2: is the issue. I believe he is such an arrogant
Speaker 2: man when he and I've always said this, and the press,
Speaker 2: Cort friends always tell you when he puts those aviators
Speaker 2: on he believes he's thirty years younger, and knowing him too,
Speaker 2: he's always the I'll show him president.
Speaker 3: They all show him, and he is.
Speaker 1: He's a toxic boss who does not want to hear
Speaker 1: any dissents and has surrounded himself with yes men who
Speaker 1: will bolster him on whatever it is. And there was
Speaker 1: just reporting about how everybody's afraid to say anything at
Speaker 1: all critical because they think they'll be excised from the
Speaker 1: inner circle and probably you know, and for good reason.
Speaker 1: They believe that he's had this same basic group around
Speaker 1: him for forty years.
Speaker 3: Ted Coffin, who are like, I'm too old, I can't
Speaker 3: do this anymore.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, the one guy dressed.
Speaker 3: Years younger.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And so I think that he I
Speaker 1: don't know that he realizes his decline. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that he sees it. I don't think that he has
Speaker 1: that awareness.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, this is my big question.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see what Joe Scarborough has to
Speaker 2: say tomorrow morning, because and that's let's return to that.
Speaker 2: The media coverage of this Wall Street Journal puts out
Speaker 2: that piece bide hind closed doors, Biden is old and
Speaker 2: a mess behind the scenes, but you still had all
Speaker 2: those on the record quotes like you said, Ryan, and
Speaker 2: senators people like oh, I can't keep up with him,
Speaker 2: and the level of freak out from the White House.
Speaker 2: And there's Crystal two weeks ago there were Colin his
Speaker 2: cheap fakes for playing that video of him at the
Speaker 2: G seven. That's right, that was what two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Here they're litigating whether we're you know, uncomfortably clipping moments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, show me.
Speaker 2: That whole thing was a vindication of so much of
Speaker 2: the coverage. I mean, people can probably tell I'm angry
Speaker 2: because it's just at a certain point too. I also feel,
Speaker 2: as you do, the media, the people around him, it
Speaker 2: has been an outrageous conspiracy to basically cover this up
Speaker 2: and to be in compliance at every moment. The evidence
Speaker 2: was there, Canceling the major interviews, less press conferences than
Speaker 2: anybody in history, not allowing all of us to see
Speaker 2: how cooked our freaking president is, and then drag canceling
Speaker 2: the primary, dragging his ass up until election. I see
Speaker 2: here some reporting they're like, look, the only way that
Speaker 2: Biden is going to be able to come out is
Speaker 2: if Schumer, Pelosi, Bill Clinton and Obama convinced him to
Speaker 2: stand down. I don't have the confidence that they have,
Speaker 2: you know that they have that they would do that
Speaker 2: at this point. I think they're just I don't know,
Speaker 2: and combined with his arrogance to actually convince him.
Speaker 1: Chirn on CNN sources aggressive panic for Dems after Biden's
Speaker 1: performance tonight. And Trump didn't have to do anything in
Speaker 1: this debate, but he played his hand properly. He was
Speaker 1: restrained the rules definitely helped him because if he was
Speaker 1: too aggressive, it would have just felt mean. It would
Speaker 1: have just felt mean because you are beating up on
Speaker 1: this confused old man who can't even finish the sentence.
Speaker 5: I think not having a crowd helped Trump and hurt
Speaker 5: Biding because I think Biden, if he'd have had the crowd,
Speaker 5: like his energy maybe goes up a little bit closer
Speaker 5: to a normal. Maybe that's a good point where ye,
Speaker 5: Trump is already a little hopped, like he gets the
Speaker 5: crowd and he's up here.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's a good thing.
Speaker 5: So with no crowd at all, Trump and knowing his
Speaker 5: MIC's gonna get cut off, Trump just has to stand
Speaker 5: there and like you know, spew nonsense for two minutes
Speaker 5: and then let the guy fall all over himself.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about Sager's hypothetical here of
Speaker 1: is Obama is Bill Clinton? Is Nancy Pale?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Are they just going to bury their head in the
Speaker 1: sand and just kind of throwing the down and say, well,
Speaker 1: I guess we're just going to lose the presidency and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll win the House and maybe the Senate. Is
Speaker 1: that do you think that's most likely it's going to happen?
Speaker 5: We will get an answer to the question of whether
Speaker 5: they actually believe that democracy is on the ballot, because
Speaker 5: you have this split screen throughout the non primary with
Speaker 5: Biden saying democracies on the ballot, and all of these
Speaker 5: Democratic candidates like Newsom and Whittam are.
Speaker 3: Planning for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 5: It's like, wait a minute, there is no twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 5: right if twenty twenty four doesn't go your way?
Speaker 4: True according to according to you, Yes, and so all.
Speaker 5: Because all of these different factions within the party have
Speaker 5: their own interests in twenty twenty eight that factors into
Speaker 5: whether they actually weigh in on twenty twenty four. A
Speaker 5: bunch of them believe that an open primary with Trump
Speaker 5: as a second term president, leaving is an easier road
Speaker 5: for somebody like a News there would become president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that assumes that there.
Speaker 5: Will be a twenty twenty eight presidential election, even though
Speaker 5: Trump won the presidency.
Speaker 3: So it's like, I guess you don't necessarily really believe that.
Speaker 2: What if he crushes twenty twenty up until then and
Speaker 2: he's got he's like Bill Clinton and he has sixty
Speaker 2: percent approval rating and his vice president could yeah, Juck
Speaker 2: Bergham becomes King of the United States, apparently. Laurence O'Donnell
Speaker 2: on MSNBC says, well, FDR was a good president and
Speaker 2: he couldn't even walk.
Speaker 1: That's where we're at.
Speaker 3: That's where we're at now.
Speaker 2: That's the level of FDR was drooling out of his
Speaker 2: mouth and couldn't walk, and look, he was a great president.
Speaker 1: Also, Joe Biden is no FDR.
Speaker 4: Okay, people, let's just.
Speaker 3: FDR proved himself for twelve years up until that before
Speaker 3: you at all.
Speaker 5: We're not asking for Joe Biden to walk like if
Speaker 5: Joe Biden were in a wheelchair, no problem, Yeah, and
Speaker 5: giving speeches like fdrp until the very end, right, I
Speaker 5: think it was I mean.
Speaker 2: Fine, absolutely, I just don't know what the hell they're
Speaker 2: going to do at this point. And in a certain look,
Speaker 2: Biden has the LBJ choice. Biden has the choice. RFK
Speaker 2: is in the race quite.
Speaker 3: Literally, you know, at this time he could see the
Speaker 3: riding on the wall, and he's like an LBJ, a
Speaker 3: smart man, the most ambitious, probably more ambitious than Joe.
Speaker 2: Biden looks himself in the mirror with his advisors. That's it, boys,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna win. And he gives a speech and
Speaker 2: he says, I will not seek nor accept the nomination.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden has that choice. He's sixty eight days out
Speaker 2: and this perhaps could have been the greatest political gift
Speaker 2: to him of all time.
Speaker 5: In this he can go down. They can just say
Speaker 5: go down in history. He could go down the climate
Speaker 5: and just be like, I'm good.
Speaker 2: But this is where I think his arrogance and also
Speaker 2: the rigged nature of the people around him, the bubble
Speaker 2: that he has built, and also believing his own bullshit
Speaker 2: now for so many years, is going to come back
Speaker 2: to bid him and he will arrogantly walk himself now
Speaker 2: to what what I mean at this point, guys, what
Speaker 2: can we even think of what the electoral map is
Speaker 2: going to look like.
Speaker 3: Every single swing state is going to like this.
Speaker 1: RKG is going to be getting a lot JU.
Speaker 5: Going to get like the real debate, you know, he
Speaker 5: was basically debating with the other folks. Was streaming consistently
Speaker 5: at two million, like there were there were there were.
Speaker 2: Millions watching RFK, like because I bet a bunch of
Speaker 2: people were like watch those two are like WHOA right, Well,
Speaker 2: I can show what I was predicted for the betting markets,
Speaker 2: so f six please, I was keeping track of this.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is you know, in terms of betting markets.
Speaker 2: Take a look at this was halfway through the debate.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden, I think, you know, thirty minutes or so
Speaker 2: into the debate plunged, you know, to only sixty nine
Speaker 2: percent real in terms of the betting markets, by seventeen
Speaker 2: percent in terms of the odds that he would even
Speaker 2: be the presidential nominee. I'd have to check, but I
Speaker 2: guarantee you that's going to be less. I mean, David
Speaker 2: Newsom is by the way, in the spin room right now.
Speaker 2: I I to be a fly on the wall.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how can what do you say?
Speaker 3: What do you say?
Speaker 1: You all, you all, you do. You don't talk about Biden.
Speaker 1: You just got Trump's lies. I mean, did election denial.
Speaker 1: I mean that's what that's the only that's that's truly
Speaker 1: at this point. But that case that you're making, Zaga, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the case that someone needs to make to Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Of like your legacy, if you graciously step aside, if
Speaker 1: you make good on your pledge to be the bridge
Speaker 1: to the next generation. And yes, we can talk about
Speaker 1: the Chips Act, we can talk about your infrastructure, we
Speaker 1: can talk about hey, you you know, did the what
Speaker 1: we needed to do with the economy in COVID can
Speaker 1: talk about labor, we can talk about antitrust. You know,
Speaker 1: if you withdrawal from Afghanistan genocide, we'll put that aside
Speaker 1: for the moment. But if you're making this case, maybe
Speaker 1: don't make that part of it. But you know, you
Speaker 1: step aside. Now, you look like a great leader, you
Speaker 1: look selfless.
Speaker 4: You pass the baton.
Speaker 1: And one thing that a Steed Herndon over the New
Speaker 1: York Times has been pointing out is like Joe Biden
Speaker 1: also kind of miss not kind of he really misled
Speaker 1: the American public too when he was running in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: because he didn't come out and say directly, I promise
Speaker 1: I will only be a one term president, very club,
Speaker 1: but he came very close to that, and there was
Speaker 1: a real assumption that was made of like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: dude is old and we're worried about that. But he's
Speaker 1: going to be there for four years. He's going to
Speaker 1: set the ship right, it's going to be normal again.
Speaker 1: He's going to get Trump on of there and then
Speaker 1: we'll move on to what's next. And you know, immediately
Speaker 1: once he gets elected, of course, he's never going to
Speaker 1: let go of the brass ring. And here we are.
Speaker 1: But that is the case that needs to be made
Speaker 1: to him, is like, if you stay and you hand
Speaker 1: the country back to Donald Trump, that is a totally
Speaker 1: different legacy than if you graciously step aside.
Speaker 4: Now I mentioned the genocide part.
Speaker 1: I think that that is probably a fantasy that his
Speaker 1: legacy would be, you know, a glorious one no matter
Speaker 1: what he does at this point. But that is the
Speaker 1: case that needs to be made to him by Brock
Speaker 1: Obama and Michelle Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pullett,
Speaker 1: like whoever. But I think you're right Ryan, I think
Speaker 1: everyone's self interest in the Democratic Party is such that
Speaker 1: it renders them just like cowardly careers who really.
Speaker 4: Don't give a shit about the country.
Speaker 1: They don't believe what they say, and they don't give
Speaker 1: a shit about the country. That's exactly right, because your
Speaker 1: point is so such an important one that you know,
Speaker 1: we're thinking about twenty twenty four. They're already lining up
Speaker 1: behind their horses for twenty twenty eight. They're already planning
Speaker 1: on like, Oh, I'm going to be a Whitmer person,
Speaker 1: and here's how I'm going to parlay that into my
Speaker 1: agency position. I'm going to be lined up for VP.
Speaker 1: I'm going to run for that Senate seat that opens up.
Speaker 1: I'm going to run for that governor's mansion that's going
Speaker 1: to open up when Whitmer makes the jumper. Whatever, That's
Speaker 1: what their plans are. And so it's no one has
Speaker 1: planned their political future around Joe Biden being out of
Speaker 1: this race. So no one outside of the entire American
Speaker 1: public who has an interest of time decent, presdential candidates.
Speaker 1: But these people who actually have influence, none of them
Speaker 1: has an.
Speaker 5: Interest and the way they think, Yeah, let's say you're
Speaker 5: a Whitmer person. Yeah, and you think Witnmor's going to
Speaker 5: go shot in twenty eight. Now you're like, oh, what
Speaker 5: if Whitmer is not the twenty four and what if
Speaker 5: Newsome like it just gets.
Speaker 3: It's the nod that's right, Yeah, we need Then you
Speaker 3: go to.
Speaker 5: The Pritzker people and you're like, we don't want neither
Speaker 5: of us want Newsome to get it.
Speaker 3: Let's all make sure that Biden just goes onto it.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: We just needed democratic elites to act like elites and
Speaker 3: just come in and end.
Speaker 9: This ship for us.
Speaker 3: But they don't do that.
Speaker 2: There's no sense of it. In the nineteen they actually did.
Speaker 2: They came together, the DNC and all them. They're like, juh, Lindon,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna win, dude, it's over. And he said, okay.
Speaker 2: He believed them. And he was even a guy who
Speaker 2: was way more powerful than Biden. I mean, for like,
Speaker 2: like you said, Ryan Chuck Schumer, what are we doing here? Dude,
Speaker 2: you're seventy three, you know you you need to know,
Speaker 2: But what is the track record that we have? Schumer
Speaker 2: lies about Diane Feinstein's age up until the day she dies,
Speaker 2: quite literally Nancy Pelosi had.
Speaker 1: Her freaking daughter, yes as her nurse maid.
Speaker 3: As her handmaiden, and basically just kept the thing over
Speaker 3: her mouth. And I was like, yeah, just.
Speaker 2: Don't don't fine, don't worry about it, remember whenever.
Speaker 1: And you're sexist, by the way, your sexist.
Speaker 3: Well a feminist thing.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing with Biden here now, they made us,
Speaker 2: they made us, called us ablests say that we were
Speaker 2: making fun of a man with agism, the ableism. I mean,
Speaker 2: the level of rage that I feel right now for
Speaker 2: these people, just because it's just been years now of
Speaker 2: just sitting here and we just sit here and take
Speaker 2: it and take it and take it. And now for
Speaker 2: the dishonesty of the Nicole Wallace's of the world now
Speaker 2: floating replacing Joe Biden or David Axelrod or any of
Speaker 2: these other people, and for his own staff, who viciously
Speaker 2: attacked anybody who tweeted out or accurately portrayed his complete inabilities.
Speaker 2: And they're either silenced or apparently there's some Democratic people
Speaker 2: who are crying on the phones right now.
Speaker 3: They're reporters.
Speaker 2: I mean, they should be like, if you really believe
Speaker 2: that this is such an important election that This is
Speaker 2: on you, This is on the people around who who supported.
Speaker 3: Him and or who propped him up.
Speaker 5: There was a there was a time where it could
Speaker 5: have mattered if people came forward, we might have we
Speaker 5: might have broken in too.
Speaker 3: We got something we got to just keep talking'll come in. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we might have a moment that where it broke
Speaker 5: back over again, and people with courage have a chance
Speaker 5: to actually, you know, act on that. But the time
Speaker 5: was before, and like you said, there was a there's
Speaker 5: a cost to speaking out, and and people would rather
Speaker 5: kind of live, you know it, would like rather live
Speaker 5: richly among the ruins of a of a wrecked party
Speaker 5: than see their party win, because they're going to be
Speaker 5: fine either way.
Speaker 1: A wrecked party and a dying empire.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think because the one person who has somewhat
Speaker 1: of an interest in Joe preserving a shred of his
Speaker 1: dignity is actually Barack Obama because he's looking not great
Speaker 1: right now having brought this man.
Speaker 3: Obama's Hillary invited, what the fuck dude?
Speaker 1: All true? So he's got to be thinking, like, I'm
Speaker 1: not looking great right now with like having you know,
Speaker 1: forsted Joe on the public and backed him up and
Speaker 1: made the because Barack Obama made this happen for him
Speaker 1: in the twenty twenty primary. Let's not forget. So does
Speaker 1: he have the juice? Does he have the juice to
Speaker 1: make something happen here in the Democratic Party?
Speaker 3: Sure he has the juice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is such a thing as force and power.
Speaker 5: Like I think he could be forced out with enough pressure.
Speaker 11: You know, we.
Speaker 1: We showed those word clouds before. By the way, Emily
Speaker 1: is here, Emily.
Speaker 7: Emily Magic.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 4: We're just talking.
Speaker 7: Manifested me. Everything seems okay.
Speaker 1: I feel really good about the state of the country.
Speaker 1: But with Obama, I mean, it does seem like if
Speaker 1: he really decided to forcefully intervene, you could that would
Speaker 1: be like the one thing that could maybe shift things here.
Speaker 4: But the other thing I'm questioning too, is right now
Speaker 4: everyone is having.
Speaker 1: To live in the reality of like, holy shit, that
Speaker 1: was bad. How long before the spin takes hold and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, Trump was lying and he said this
Speaker 1: bad thing, and everyone's just not focused on the substance
Speaker 1: and Biden had a cold, and seriously, how long before
Speaker 1: they can reconstruct all of the artifice and Potempkin Village
Speaker 1: of Biden competence that they had carefully constructed prior to
Speaker 1: this moment.
Speaker 7: I think they're making that decision right now.
Speaker 12: I think literally right now, they're scrambling to try to
Speaker 12: figure out if they can put the cat back into
Speaker 12: the bag, because I think if Joe Biden says no way,
Speaker 12: I'm in it, Jack, and I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 7: Jack, then everyone idea that ye.
Speaker 3: Jack, I was.
Speaker 9: I hadn't.
Speaker 12: I had forgotten about this. But Megan Kelly just showed
Speaker 12: this clip of Morning Joe saying it was Mika saying
Speaker 12: Marjorie tall Green must have might have might as well
Speaker 12: just written this report on Biden's health.
Speaker 7: They said, that's just a few weeks insane.
Speaker 4: It's insane.
Speaker 12: And so the only reason that everyone is now expressing
Speaker 12: surprise is because they feel like they can't get away
Speaker 12: with their lie anymore because everybody saw it crumble on
Speaker 12: national television. But but we all saw Joe Biden after
Speaker 12: her report come out and say I have no memory
Speaker 12: problems at a press conference in which.
Speaker 7: He had several lapses in his memory. It's like, clearly
Speaker 7: not okay. We've known he's not okay.
Speaker 12: So if he tells his inner circle whose friends are
Speaker 12: all scattered across corporate media, that he's going to do it.
Speaker 12: They'll find a way to make it work.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: That ivan that experience with that try what made me
Speaker 1: question because after that report came out where he said
Speaker 1: basically like, I can't charge this guy. The jury is
Speaker 1: gonna be like, he's just a confused old man. How
Speaker 1: can you know?
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't put this man in front of a jury.
Speaker 1: And he can't even remember when he was vice president,
Speaker 1: that was part of it. Couldn't remember when his own
Speaker 1: son died, right, That was the type of memory lapses
Speaker 1: that he was reportedly having. And there was a moment
Speaker 1: in the media when there were a bunch of pieces written.
Speaker 1: People were like, oh my goodness, this is really bad,
Speaker 1: like Democrats need to do something about this. And then
Speaker 1: very quickly the ranks closed again, and you know, you
Speaker 1: had people out there saying things like that, and.
Speaker 12: I don't think they can get away with it this
Speaker 12: time though, that's my inclination is they can't.
Speaker 7: I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's one thing to that point.
Speaker 4: I mean, it is one thing to see it in
Speaker 4: a report.
Speaker 1: It's another thing to watch it yourself right, and that
Speaker 1: does make it quite under that, and especially coming on
Speaker 1: the heels of the G seven and the clipstick, the
Speaker 1: amount of that, et cetera.
Speaker 2: I think there's a foreign The foreign against case is
Speaker 2: this is that first time. Remember there was Andrew Mitchell
Speaker 2: when Biden was losing in twenty nineteen. In early twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: Andrew Mitchell has that segment and be like, we need
Speaker 2: to ask serious questions about Joe Biden's age, and.
Speaker 3: Then six months later she's like, it was a stutter
Speaker 3: the whole time. I never said that before. The reason
Speaker 3: why I.
Speaker 2: Think this one is substitutely different is that there's actually
Speaker 2: very crazy high stakes now at this point where the
Speaker 2: national public is so much more coalesced around he is
Speaker 2: old that if they try to do a similar like
Speaker 2: walk back that they did before, that they would lose
Speaker 2: even more credibility. Even these shameless liars we have to
Speaker 2: believe have a line. But I also wouldn't put it
Speaker 2: past them. I wouldn't pad it past Andrew Mitchell and
Speaker 2: all them to roll out the stutter.
Speaker 3: So I just don't know the course.
Speaker 1: We've got a CNN clip to give us all a flavor.
Speaker 1: We haven't watched this so we can react to it live.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to how things are going over there.
Speaker 9: It involves party strategists, it involves elected officials, it involves fundraisers,
Speaker 9: and they're having conversations about the president's performance, which they
Speaker 9: think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people
Speaker 9: down the party in the ticket, and they're having conversations
Speaker 9: about what they should do about it. Some of those
Speaker 9: conversations include, should we go to the White House and
Speaker 9: ask the president's step aside others or other of the
Speaker 9: conversations are about should prominent Democrats go public with that
Speaker 9: call because they feel this debate was so terrible?
Speaker 3: That's right, keep that ounce right.
Speaker 1: That is interesting because he raises a good point because again,
Speaker 1: we're not thinking about people doing the right thing for
Speaker 1: the country or whatever. That's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're talking about self interested political actors who have their
Speaker 1: own careers and paychecks in mind. He's raising what I
Speaker 1: think is true, which is that yes, Democrats are going
Speaker 1: to outperform Biden, but if you have that week of
Speaker 1: a candid at the top of the ticket, it is
Speaker 1: going to drag down everybody's performance across the board. So
Speaker 1: if you're a Rosen in Nevada, if you're a tester
Speaker 1: in Montana, you're trying to get re elected, you're any
Speaker 1: number of congressional candidates around the country, suddenly you're going
Speaker 1: this guy's this is a real problem for me personally.
Speaker 5: You could also they could also rationalize it though by saying, Okay,
Speaker 5: if it looks this obvious that Trump is going to win,
Speaker 5: then somebody like a tester or Rose and actually get
Speaker 5: benefits because from the voters who want to check on
Speaker 5: Trump because they think Trump that they kind of like Trump.
Speaker 5: They prefer Trump to Biden, but they don't want him
Speaker 5: to have full control of Congress either.
Speaker 3: So you can see the divided Congress, the old divide
Speaker 3: it there is actually good evidence for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets plating is so rare. I mean, there
Speaker 1: is some tickets playing. But if you have a canon
Speaker 1: at the top of the ticket who is not much
Speaker 1: of a drag, it's going to be a problem.
Speaker 3: For there is probably it's probably more of a drag.
Speaker 1: They're going to have to defend in the benefit.
Speaker 7: They will have to defend him every day at every
Speaker 7: state fair. They'll have to defend him.
Speaker 3: That's right, we have a apparently we have a Joyan
Speaker 3: read clip.
Speaker 2: We've got to check in with Joy over at MSNBC
Speaker 2: from our producers. Let's go ahead and take a list in, guys,
Speaker 2: I too, was on the.
Speaker 10: Phone throughout much of the debate with Obama world people
Speaker 10: with Democrats, with people who are political operatives, with campaign operatives.
Speaker 10: My phone really never stopped buzzing throughout, and the universal
Speaker 10: reaction was somewhere approaching panic.
Speaker 7: The people who were texting with me were.
Speaker 10: Very concerned about President Biden seeming extremely feeble, seeming extremely weak,
Speaker 10: extremely feeble.
Speaker 7: It's bullshit that they're surprised and how good.
Speaker 4: Is But you know what, Emily, I mean, I am surprised.
Speaker 3: By that's how bad it was. But nobody guess.
Speaker 12: We're not We're not in Obama and we don't spend
Speaker 12: time with the people who spend time with him every day.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, but I mean the level because it was
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I thought we saw the state of
Speaker 1: the Union. It was okay, But he was reading off
Speaker 1: a teleprompter when he has when he and he had
Speaker 1: an audience, when he has to gather the words for himself.
Speaker 3: It's bad. And it was worse.
Speaker 1: It was I had low expectations. My expectations were on
Speaker 1: the floor. I thought he would at least have some
Speaker 1: moments on abortion or on January sixth or something that
Speaker 1: they could take and run with.
Speaker 4: And this was strong. There's not one moment.
Speaker 1: Because when we were you know, we were picking clips
Speaker 1: of like, all right, how do we want to ampersent
Speaker 1: that debate? And I had in my mind like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to show all the bad ones
Speaker 1: if he has a good one, like we should show them.
Speaker 4: What am I going to show? There's nothing to show,
Speaker 4: and there's adicat there's.
Speaker 1: Plenty of things.
Speaker 4: Trump said that.
Speaker 1: Was barls of an alley cat, which also sounds like
Speaker 1: something that.
Speaker 2: Are you in the production of Annie?
Speaker 3: But all the Chimney sweeps know.
Speaker 1: It's not like, Okay, looked like a connoisseur out there
Speaker 1: in comparison, But imagine it's Gavin Newsome up there on
Speaker 1: the station. Gavin Newsom could have picked Trump apart, and
Speaker 1: that there was plenty to work with their on abortion,
Speaker 1: on stop the steal, on all kinds of things. Right,
Speaker 1: that Trump is just making up ship as he goes along,
Speaker 1: But he at least seemed like he will survive another
Speaker 1: four years, you know, And so in contrast, he looked absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, incredible, And you didn't see any of that pushback,
Speaker 1: any of the attempted pushback was so incoherent you didn't
Speaker 1: even know what point Biden was trying to make in
Speaker 1: response to it. So, yeah, I mean the fact that
Speaker 1: you have CNN with their sources, Van Jones.
Speaker 2: Nick Christoph Axel, Rod Joy Reid axl Rod, Joy, Reid,
Speaker 2: Nicole Wallace. I mean Casey, Yeah, Casey hunt Over who
Speaker 2: who you know, cut off the cut off Trump.
Speaker 1: I do want to say the CNN moderators were pretty good.
Speaker 3: They did a good You know why I think I
Speaker 3: was crying. I think they were quote unquote good is
Speaker 3: they didn't really have to model.
Speaker 4: They don't have to do anything. They just had to
Speaker 4: read the question.
Speaker 2: How many other times you are like, mister Biden, you
Speaker 2: have eighty eight second sleft after the after the thing
Speaker 2: was horrible, and they're like, you have thirty seven seconds left,
Speaker 2: mister President Biden. He's just it's like the complete blank stare, the.
Speaker 7: There's a Rik Times headline on your screen. That's insane.
Speaker 12: Facing Trump's misleading attacks. Biden appears shaky at times. Yeah,
Speaker 12: just about captures the top.
Speaker 2: Biden struggles as Trump blusters, and a contenttion was it
Speaker 2: was already there's no both siding this.
Speaker 5: It's a disaster and it was criminal for them not
Speaker 5: to have r f K Junior on from the beginning.
Speaker 3: But after the debate, thinking about.
Speaker 5: That decision, like it it changed changed history in a
Speaker 5: way because if if RFK Junior is able to be
Speaker 5: on there, like you could imagine a huge number of
Speaker 5: people being like, you know what, fine, I can't do
Speaker 5: either of these people.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm with RFK. And that's a good point.
Speaker 5: If he gets into the thirties, into the twenties or thirties,
Speaker 5: then it's game and he.
Speaker 3: Replaces Biden almost and imagine the legends and Democrats start
Speaker 3: dating behind it. Look at least ballot yeah whatever, but.
Speaker 1: At least you're not Trump.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was with us on the environment.
Speaker 12: At least you're not debating your handicap like both of
Speaker 12: them were zero chance.
Speaker 3: Biden has a six handicap and no way Trump wants
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Wait, Crystal, can you have a new golfer? Can you
Speaker 2: ask Kyle whether he believes that Biden.
Speaker 4: Oh, I already Kyle, but I did talk to Kyle
Speaker 4: like no.
Speaker 3: Results the one coaching thoughts check. This is officially a
Speaker 3: false statistics so.
Speaker 12: We've consulted an expert. This is an official breaking points FactCheck.
Speaker 12: Crystal did it Golf and New.
Speaker 5: Golfer and no, no way Biden carries his own clubs
Speaker 5: for eighteen holes either.
Speaker 3: Like it's.
Speaker 7: I don't want him driving the golf course.
Speaker 5: Trump Yetn's credit, He wouldn't. Trump didn't even pretend that
Speaker 5: he would carry his clubs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I just the drunk guys of the golf
Speaker 3: course more than.
Speaker 7: He doesn't even drink.
Speaker 3: Don't get on the wall.
Speaker 1: Y's official response, just so we can be technically accurate
Speaker 1: here with yeah, I sent him Biden's swing.
Speaker 4: So Ryan had provided with the group.
Speaker 1: As background, and he said six handicap and then four,
Speaker 1: laughing about.
Speaker 2: I need to get like Tiger Woods or somebody on here.
Speaker 2: Look my big big question Ryan, actually you'll know this.
Speaker 2: When does Congress come back into session? When are these
Speaker 2: guys going to be back in They should be back
Speaker 2: like on the ninth. Okay, so fourth of July, there
Speaker 2: we go, guys. So July ninth, when the when the
Speaker 2: hordes of the reporter swarm on to Chuck Schumer and
Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi on lakem Jeffries, all of those people walking
Speaker 2: down the hallways with every reporter in the country shoving
Speaker 2: her phone in their face.
Speaker 3: What are they going to say? Well, that's the big question.
Speaker 1: That's something else I want to know tonight and control them.
Speaker 1: If you have one of these clips, I'd love to
Speaker 1: see it too.
Speaker 4: But normally in these.
Speaker 1: Post debate specials, of course you've got a whole laundry
Speaker 1: list of Democrats, members of or whoever who want to
Speaker 1: come on and talk about how great you know, Joe
Speaker 1: Biden just did. I would if they've got anyone who is.
Speaker 4: Willing to come on and say that.
Speaker 3: Right now, let's talk about the Kate Vegane Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: before we gives.
Speaker 4: The former COMPS director.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally at the White House. I think she only
Speaker 2: left a couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: This is his and she was there, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole twenty twenty campaign. She was one of the people
Speaker 1: who even when he was really down and out, she was,
Speaker 1: you know, there by his side and really believing in
Speaker 1: this guy. And what is she what does she say
Speaker 1: now quote.
Speaker 2: It was a really disappointing debate performance for Joe Biden.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any other way to slice it.
Speaker 2: His biggest issue was to prove to the American people
Speaker 2: he had the energy, the stamina, and he didn't do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is as cut and dry as it gets.
Speaker 3: This is this is, this is.
Speaker 2: That's the lady who was paid to lie to the
Speaker 2: American public on Joe Biden's behalf.
Speaker 1: The type of person who would ordinarily be on CNN
Speaker 1: talking about what a masterful job.
Speaker 2: She might even have a scene in No h I
Speaker 2: think you're right, she does have a scene. You know,
Speaker 2: he also want to hear from Jensaki. I think her
Speaker 2: shows on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Let's hear it. Lady.
Speaker 2: You know how many times you take that damn podium
Speaker 2: and you tell us about how strong and virile? What
Speaker 2: did you know?
Speaker 3: And I for real, we are in the truth and
Speaker 3: reconciliation phase.
Speaker 2: It's like, at what point we should drag I mean
Speaker 2: this Trump may try and have this happen, but in
Speaker 2: a just world they should be dragged. At what point
Speaker 2: did you first notice that the president was senile? At
Speaker 2: what point did you first notice he had dementia. Lloyd Austin,
Speaker 2: what are we doing here?
Speaker 7: That's the commanded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the charity of the people. Ye Lloyd was in Israel.
Speaker 3: He didn't he didn't notice that.
Speaker 12: If I'm a parent of somebody in the military right now,
Speaker 12: I am at the plastic and I am outraged if
Speaker 12: my child.
Speaker 3: Is overseas deployed in Syria, you know, sitting losing missiles,
Speaker 3: just to the like, Oh yeah, this is the man
Speaker 3: who's going to respond to that.
Speaker 2: Also, let's think about the geopolitical ramifications of this. If
Speaker 2: I'm putin, I'm rolling every goddamn thing we have right
Speaker 2: now into Ukraine tomorrow.
Speaker 3: If I forget, I.
Speaker 4: Wonder why Bibe just rolls over the guy.
Speaker 2: I wonder if I wonder why tomorrow there's a new
Speaker 2: shipment of five hundred pound bombs that are going through
Speaker 2: to Israel tonight. If I'm baby, I'm gonna carpet bomb
Speaker 2: the ship out of the rock tomorrow.
Speaker 3: What is this man gonna do? What's he gonna do?
Speaker 3: I would laugh in his face.
Speaker 4: It's trying Trump back, And yes, especially now.
Speaker 2: It would only help him politically. It would hurt Biden.
Speaker 2: He knows that Biden's not gonna do anything at this point.
Speaker 2: He you know, I can't even imagine. Guys, what is
Speaker 2: the what the meetings like between Yoe f Galant Baby
Speaker 2: and Biden. I can't It's it's already we knew it
Speaker 2: was bad, you know, G seven Lean and others were
Speaker 2: leaking there like, oh my god, I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: I mean, we we're the left of the world.
Speaker 1: Biden's probably calling him golden my Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I was Taiwan, I would be freaking the fun out,
Speaker 3: like this is the time, this is the time to go.
Speaker 5: The d n C is in six seven weeks, right,
Speaker 5: Democratic National Convention there. Yeah, but I think it's it's
Speaker 5: it's fluid. Now it's going to solidify one way or
Speaker 5: the other in the next couple of days. There's certainly
Speaker 5: a world in which, like a week from now, we're like,
Speaker 5: remember when there was a moment where Democrats like, we're
Speaker 5: openly considering dumping Biden, And now they're just back to
Speaker 5: the fantasyland that Biden.
Speaker 3: Is going to be their nomination.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you put the odds up? Oh?
Speaker 5: God, Like, I think the odds are probably pretty good
Speaker 5: that they just try to put this piece of pottery
Speaker 5: back together.
Speaker 3: And I have a statement form.
Speaker 2: We have the first statement from the Biden campaign. Tonight,
Speaker 2: President Biden presented a positive and winning vision for the
Speaker 2: future of America, one in which every American has a
Speaker 2: fair shout at the American dream.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: On the other hand side of the stage was Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: who offered a dark and a backwards window and to
Speaker 2: what America would look like the steps back in office,
Speaker 2: a country that puts the interests of billionaires or working
Speaker 2: people put three foreign president who not once, but twice,
Speaker 2: but three times failed to promise he would accept the
Speaker 2: results of a free and fair election. Trump's performance tonight
Speaker 2: reminded the American people why they fired him four years ago,
Speaker 2: reinforced to sow, Hi, the stakes are this November for
Speaker 2: the future of our country. So that is the I mean,
Speaker 2: look that Ryan, maybe you're right. I think they'll just
Speaker 2: come back to but Trump is that that's you know,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 5: So the uncommitted movement, yeah, they say, we all saw
Speaker 5: what just happened. We have thirty five uncommitted delegates in
Speaker 5: case anyone wants to contest the convention to save lives
Speaker 5: and our democracy. So there are thirty five delegates that
Speaker 5: were elected, how would they be able to contest?
Speaker 3: Though? Because Biden has the delegates, does he not?
Speaker 5: So basically, what you would be trying to get the
Speaker 5: other delegates to do is to be faithless towards spy.
Speaker 3: But in order to do that, you need people on
Speaker 3: the floor to say they try.
Speaker 2: To do this to Trump, right, you would have to
Speaker 2: have the leader, right, you'd have to have the leader
Speaker 2: of every state movement be faithless convinced those.
Speaker 3: People necessar are the leaders, Like, isn't it the delegates
Speaker 3: rule is like some rules, it's it's been decades, this
Speaker 3: just happened, that's the thing. It's I think it's literally
Speaker 3: I think the nineteen sixties might be the last time
Speaker 3: that something.
Speaker 5: Because yeah, they're they're like in most cases they're instructed,
Speaker 5: like they don't really have a choice of who they
Speaker 5: can vote for.
Speaker 3: But the bylaws and the rules are always like they're made.
Speaker 5: They're made by people. They can be changed by people,
Speaker 5: like you can you can win a floor knife fight.
Speaker 5: What they're saying is that if anybody wants to try that,
Speaker 5: the uncommitted delegates are available.
Speaker 1: They're ready to. I mean, Democrats still have super delegates too,
Speaker 1: which can just do what I want. They diminished their yeah,
Speaker 1: they've diminished their importance, but they still are a thing.
Speaker 1: So wouldn't that be the irony of ironies?
Speaker 7: It wasn't that the super delegate.
Speaker 5: Wasn't that the actual justification that in a moment of populism,
Speaker 5: like trouble for the nation, like they can be the
Speaker 5: wise ones or something.
Speaker 4: Now's your chansk, guys.
Speaker 3: That was real.
Speaker 2: But the irony is that was really education is the
Speaker 2: whole idea of the party decides and it puts itself
Speaker 2: above any individual candidate and protects its interests at the
Speaker 2: expense of somebody taking them over. Obama effectively destroyed that,
Speaker 2: you know, after well he destroyed it in a certain
Speaker 2: way and then took it over in his own image.
Speaker 3: Trump basically did the same thing over on the RNC side.
Speaker 2: So we're actually seeing a consequence of like weak party structures,
Speaker 2: but also just the fact is of cowards that are
Speaker 2: in office in the old days, the senators, the Chuck
Speaker 2: Schumer has got nothing to lose. This man will be
Speaker 2: resigned to the you know, trash heap of history. He'll
Speaker 2: be the Senate Minority leader, and then when his term
Speaker 2: is up, he's gone. He's almost he'll be eighty years old.
Speaker 2: Why do you have to lose at this point, being
Speaker 2: like Joe, it's over, dude, Well, I cannot back you.
Speaker 3: That's Pelosi too, You're how old is she eighty three?
Speaker 3: I think she's going to be older than that. She's
Speaker 3: older than Biden. What do you have to lose? It
Speaker 3: could be your last service to the country.
Speaker 12: Well, here's where that becomes even more important. Typically a
Speaker 12: truck schoomer in Nancy Pelosi. What they would have to
Speaker 12: lose is access to the powerful people running the country,
Speaker 12: running the Democratic Party. It is clear to everybody right
Speaker 12: now that Joe Biden is not going to be a
Speaker 12: He's not really running things.
Speaker 7: Even if his people are still in charge. But he's
Speaker 7: not long for you know, the next decade.
Speaker 12: He's not going to be here that long his post presidency,
Speaker 12: however long it is, it's not going to be like
Speaker 12: one of the guys that hung around, like Obama for example,
Speaker 12: Young still out there and Netflix all that stuff that's
Speaker 12: not happening. So they can afford to actually lose their
Speaker 12: access to the bidens at this point, because it's becoming
Speaker 12: a national disgrace. I think Joe Biden is going to
Speaker 12: take so much heat after this. That's the Biden Bidans
Speaker 12: are losing clout like in Washington right now by the minute.
Speaker 12: Whether or not it comes back is a different question
Speaker 12: that I'm genuinely curious about.
Speaker 1: Does the fact that they're going to do the actual
Speaker 1: nomination remotely is.
Speaker 3: That actually, I'm always going to snack.
Speaker 2: That's probably a good point because guess what, then, you
Speaker 2: can't organize behind the scenes. You can't scream, you can't protest,
Speaker 2: you can't organize on a different ballot try to Because.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes it's a good point, yea. It makes
Speaker 1: it harder for level and it also shortens the time frame,
Speaker 1: right because the whole thing with this, guys is Ohio
Speaker 1: has some law that you know about deadline as to
Speaker 1: when the candidate has to be nominated in order for
Speaker 1: it to get on the ballot. And my understanding was
Speaker 1: that the Ohio h Republicans that are in charge of
Speaker 1: the legislature there, we're like, oh, we'll actually change the
Speaker 1: law of Democrats.
Speaker 4: We're like, we don't trust you.
Speaker 1: We're still going to do the nomination early and remotely,
Speaker 1: and at the time it seems like, and I think
Speaker 1: this was the logic is like, oh, this will be
Speaker 1: a way to get our nomination done cleanly without having
Speaker 1: to worry about any protests over Palestine and the genocide
Speaker 1: and Gaza and so. But now it also serves them,
Speaker 1: serves Joe in terms of speeding up the timeline and
Speaker 1: also making them more difficult to organize some sort of
Speaker 1: a floor coup. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say, the only way is
Speaker 2: they have to stop the nomination on the first ballot.
Speaker 2: That becomes incredibly difficult because if he gets the nomination
Speaker 2: there on the first ballot, boom. I believe it gets
Speaker 2: goes forward and it gets gratified. I honestly think, all good, hope.
Speaker 2: I think this is all cope. It's on him now,
Speaker 2: it's on the elites too. He has to drop out
Speaker 2: or he's going to be the nominee.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's it, decides to don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. He is the one.
Speaker 2: He has the people they rig the debate or the
Speaker 2: primary for him, the Florida Democratic Party and others in
Speaker 2: multiple other large states that are pledged behind. I mean apparently,
Speaker 2: so our control room is cutting a clip right now.
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsome and Raphael Warnock were asked in the spin
Speaker 2: room to react, and Gavin was given the opportunity. Someone said,
Speaker 2: do you think President Biden should step aside? And he
Speaker 2: said no, he said he was one undred, that wouldn't
Speaker 2: be next level. But I'm saying, even like the they're
Speaker 2: I think they're clinging to it, at least for not
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know what himself that he did not what
Speaker 1: is he doing because he would have been the nominated.
Speaker 2: One of the big because that's that's a Chris Christie
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. Christy could have been the president.
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is the.
Speaker 12: Person who I think the person who in the best
Speaker 12: night and all. This isn't trumpets RFK Junior truly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the.
Speaker 12: Double hater thing is now going to be the theme
Speaker 12: of the election because again you have two guys talking
Speaker 12: about their freaking handicaps on the presidential debate stage, one which.
Speaker 7: Can barely keep his eyelids open.
Speaker 12: Well, they're fighting over it, and it's like, guys, take
Speaker 12: this to the country club, please, like get it off
Speaker 12: the damn debate stage. And I just I think you know,
Speaker 12: we've seen those numbers sometimes are better for Trump. But
Speaker 12: the way when you add r f K Junior and
Speaker 12: Jill Stein in though, But the way if Biden clings
Speaker 12: to this and holds on the way that some of
Speaker 12: those people might just totally go back to RFK. Because, interestingly,
Speaker 12: Chris Dawal pointed this out today, some of the biggest
Speaker 12: movement has been away from RFK Junior towards Biden in
Speaker 12: the last few weeks. And so, you know, it's marginal
Speaker 12: obviously when the margins are where they are, But what
Speaker 12: if we see a reversal of that and Democrats saying
Speaker 12: this is if Biden clings to it, as Ryan was
Speaker 12: saying earlier, we could definitely see after this debate another
Speaker 12: five percent, another ten percent, another fifteen percent going to
Speaker 12: RFK Junior.
Speaker 7: That's devastating. Wow, to both candidates.
Speaker 12: We don't know how it shakes out, but especially to Biden.
Speaker 1: Ryan's point earlier about how it really did change history
Speaker 1: to not have RFK on that stage is a very
Speaker 1: important one, Yes, because I do think I do think
Speaker 1: if he was there, you know, and people really are internalizing, oh,
Speaker 1: there's this other person out there, there's this other option
Speaker 1: who is younger.
Speaker 3: Than both of those.
Speaker 2: Guy, Yeah, he could become the direct competitor to Trump.
Speaker 2: That would that would have been the consequence. Still a
Speaker 2: two part system, that would have been the consequence, and.
Speaker 4: That could have that still could happen.
Speaker 3: People out there where.
Speaker 12: But that's a lot of incentive actually for Democrats because
Speaker 12: no matter what Joe Biden does for the rest of
Speaker 12: this selection, if he is the candidate, RFK Junior is
Speaker 12: going to get a very healthy bump, and that bump
Speaker 12: is going to help Trump at this point no more
Speaker 12: than Biden. So that's more incentive for Democrats as they
Speaker 12: panic to the word that Joy Reid used and think
Speaker 12: about this in those smoke filled back rooms for the
Speaker 12: next couple of days.
Speaker 7: The math with RFK Jr.
Speaker 2: Is that that should give them the incentive to We've
Speaker 2: gotten someone else. Kamala has disappeared on CNN. Here's here's
Speaker 2: what she says.
Speaker 3: Joe Biden is extraordinarily strong.
Speaker 2: What we saw tonight is the president making a very
Speaker 2: clear contrast with Donald Trump. Absolutely, for the first time
Speaker 2: life finally said something true. She says, yes, there was
Speaker 2: a slow start, but it was a strong thing. But
Speaker 2: time is a flat circle.
Speaker 11: God as the moment in time, and she didn't just
Speaker 11: fall out of the I just you know what a
Speaker 11: strong But the fact that even.
Speaker 1: She has it's so dark.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's exactly when your vice president top shiller,
Speaker 3: like you don't want a slow start, slow middle, and never.
Speaker 1: I've actually never heard someone who's doing the spin acknowledge
Speaker 1: any weakness, good point.
Speaker 4: Any knew she had alone.
Speaker 12: The vice president got off to a little rock star,
Speaker 12: but he was great at the ends.
Speaker 7: My it's so viet for her to come out and
Speaker 7: be like he's verty's thrown.
Speaker 4: Let's play this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's say. Let's say Obama comes down, Bill Clinton,
Speaker 1: They all all right, Joe, it's done. Joe drops is
Speaker 1: a Kamala?
Speaker 3: Is that who? We get? A sensible Obama says, it's
Speaker 3: not you, it's not kam Law. We're going with.
Speaker 2: I think you know who I think he picks because
Speaker 2: you can't replace a black lady with a white guy.
Speaker 2: I go Gretchen Whitmer. That's what somebody said previously. I
Speaker 2: would take somebody like Greshen Whitmer Michigan, and he would
Speaker 2: He needs to have it pre selected all the conversation
Speaker 2: needs to have already happened.
Speaker 3: The two of you need to step aside.
Speaker 2: You can make the case that, you know whatever, she's
Speaker 2: the VP and we need to move on from the
Speaker 2: Biden Harris ticket or whatever. We go with Gretchen Gretchen Whitmer,
Speaker 2: And somebody tweeted, I think we said, Wes Moore is
Speaker 2: that with the governor of Maryland. So we need a
Speaker 2: black guy. Put him as the VP candidate.
Speaker 3: So then we get our all of our divers cigarettes.
Speaker 1: As VP.
Speaker 12: If we're gonna make a clean break to deal with her, like,
Speaker 12: they have to make a deal with her, so they
Speaker 12: have to do something that's right, Secretary, put.
Speaker 3: Her on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5: Black go one on the Supreme Court. Her opinions would
Speaker 5: be amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they put her on the just they
Speaker 2: make a deal with her of something, and they're like, look,
Speaker 2: we're going to take care of you.
Speaker 3: But it's jover.
Speaker 2: Whitmer is stepping in. Yeah, maybe I guess you could
Speaker 2: stick around in peach, but that's the way it would
Speaker 2: have to happen. Replace him, because Obama is not stupid.
Speaker 2: You can't apparently. Okay, so we do have a video
Speaker 2: of Gavin Newsom and of Raphael Warnack being asked in
Speaker 2: the spin room about whether Joe Biden should step aside.
Speaker 3: So let's go ahead and take a listen to how
Speaker 3: they spun it for the Convention is that there's consternation
Speaker 3: among Democrats.
Speaker 9: It's like David abstrot Of suggested the Democrats should look
Speaker 9: at replacing Joe Biden. Would you urge the presidential to
Speaker 9: reconsider moving for absolutely not.
Speaker 8: If you never turn my back in I don't know
Speaker 8: that personal point.
Speaker 10: Of view.
Speaker 8: That would be.
Speaker 13: Listen, listen, I would I would be I would be
Speaker 13: concerned if the president didn't have a record to rental.
Speaker 13: But the fact of the matter is this is a
Speaker 13: man who has passed his story legislation.
Speaker 2: Okay, it wasn't for the historical. Gavin Newsom says, I'm
Speaker 2: with him one hundred percent. But you know, the AP
Speaker 2: just flashed exactly what you just said, Crystal Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: as Biden had slow starting the debate.
Speaker 3: That was with a strong fit. Because I think everybody
Speaker 3: can even pick that up.
Speaker 2: I mean when we have did we ever see Mike
Speaker 2: Pence once say but yeah, Trump, he was a little
Speaker 2: bit off the rail.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day.
Speaker 12: So really right, Pence would be like, and I just
Speaker 12: I want to just acknowledge that Donald J. Trump is
Speaker 12: the the greatest debate that the world see. That's exactly
Speaker 12: thank him for his confidence.
Speaker 3: That's shockingly good.
Speaker 1: Okay, has there ever been a worst debate performance? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is worse than the Nixon flop side.
Speaker 2: There's only rivals is Lloyd Benson versus I think Dan
Speaker 2: Quail when he said I know Jack Kennedy, You know, sir,
Speaker 2: with Jack Kennedy senator, you're.
Speaker 3: No Jack Kennedy. And then I mean I did genuinely
Speaker 3: the vice presidential so it doesn't count. There are two
Speaker 3: that might be the only one.
Speaker 12: There are two televised debates that are the most significant
Speaker 12: in American history.
Speaker 7: One is nineteen sixty and one is this.
Speaker 12: This belongs in the absolutely under This is the President
Speaker 12: of the United States melting on stage. He is the
Speaker 12: acting president United States, melting on stage. Donald Trump being
Speaker 12: the host of Celebrity Apprentice and debating Hillary Clinton was
Speaker 12: spectacular for many reasons, like insane, I still can't believe that, believe.
Speaker 1: It happens in primary perform ant's not forget about.
Speaker 7: What Paul is ugly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why is rand Paul even on this city legendary? No,
Speaker 2: but to bring it back, I actually think you're right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: to rack my brain. I don't think there has ever
Speaker 2: been a worst performance by a president ever.
Speaker 1: Well, and more consequential, because it's one thing when you're
Speaker 1: a candidate, yeah, the sitting president of the United States.
Speaker 5: And just from a cynical perspective, it is true that
Speaker 5: Republicans and the conservative media have taken some clips out
Speaker 5: of context to make Biden look worse than he would
Speaker 5: have looked in the full context.
Speaker 7: Like that parachute guy.
Speaker 5: But that's also part of how politics works. Your enemies,
Speaker 5: your adversaries, are not going to treat you fairly. So
Speaker 5: what this has done is that it has allowed them
Speaker 5: to clip stuff from here until November, all day long
Speaker 5: in context, out of context, it won't matter, and the
Speaker 5: public will be like, yep, I believe that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing is, they were starting to get
Speaker 1: a little worried going into this debate because they realized
Speaker 1: they had done such an effective job of making everyone
Speaker 1: you know, that word cloud we put up on the screen,
Speaker 1: literally every demographic, every partisan and identification says the number
Speaker 1: when they think of WHI Joe Biden is old.
Speaker 4: The expectations for him were so low, so low going.
Speaker 1: In, just as in the State of the Union is
Speaker 1: so low going in that you had a real effort
Speaker 1: in conservative media this week to be like, I don't
Speaker 1: know Joe Biden, Donald Trump, I think even was like
Speaker 1: I saw him with Paul Ryan.
Speaker 4: He did a great job. I think he's going to
Speaker 4: do a fantastic job.
Speaker 12: I had those thoughts myself, because there were he had
Speaker 12: good moments in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: But us, all of us thought it no Ever, we've
Speaker 2: seen him do fine enough when the moment called for it.
Speaker 2: The State of the Union is our best example, Crystal.
Speaker 2: I think your point is the is the best. Here
Speaker 2: he was reading off a teleprompter when he actually is
Speaker 2: required to use an iota of his brain.
Speaker 3: He melts, just like he does in.
Speaker 2: The press conferences that we've seen at the G seven
Speaker 2: that we've seen avery spontaneous reaction. And so what we
Speaker 2: saw here is why they did not put him up
Speaker 2: for an interview with the Super Bowl. It is why
Speaker 2: they have stopped him from doing less presidential press conferences
Speaker 2: than Eddie Modern American president. When there is any iota
Speaker 2: of chaos or any of that involved that they can't control,
Speaker 2: he falls apart. And I cannot even imagine what these
Speaker 2: meetings are like, what we were talking about, and these
Speaker 2: situation room. I mean, it's just it blows the mind.
Speaker 2: It's it's worse than we thought it really is.
Speaker 3: I think I'm curious for your take on this.
Speaker 5: I think if Trump missed anything, it was the opportunity
Speaker 5: to kind of make fun of Biden a little bit more.
Speaker 3: And I don't think he should have. I think he
Speaker 3: did the best thing.
Speaker 2: When something is so bad, it's like when you're talking,
Speaker 2: it's hard to explain, but it's like when someone is
Speaker 2: so far gone, you have to show sympathy, and at
Speaker 2: the best he's there, you go, I don't addle my
Speaker 2: brain with disgusting drugs. But the point is that when
Speaker 2: someone is that it is it is an act of
Speaker 2: kindness and magnanimity to step back. And we saw that
Speaker 2: with Trump to did you remember when he goes, this
Speaker 2: is childish, let's not act childish.
Speaker 3: I was like what, Yeah, I was like, what on.
Speaker 1: The side, we have the one moment where he made
Speaker 1: word Trump, this is f two guys that I'm queuing
Speaker 1: up here where he did allude to the fact that
Speaker 1: Biden is incoherent.
Speaker 3: When he was.
Speaker 8: President, he was taking separating babies from my mother's put
Speaker 8: him in cages, making sure the families are separated. That's
Speaker 8: not the right way to go. What I've done since
Speaker 8: I've changed the law, what's happened. I've changed it in
Speaker 8: a way that now you're in a situation where there
Speaker 8: are forty percent fewer people coming across the border illegally.
Speaker 3: It's better than when he left office.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to.
Speaker 8: Continue to move until we get the total ban on
Speaker 8: the total initiative relative to what we're going to do
Speaker 8: with more border patrol and more asylum officers.
Speaker 1: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
Speaker 1: the end of this sentence.
Speaker 3: I don't think he knows what he said either. Look,
Speaker 3: he doesn't know what he said either.
Speaker 2: But in general, Corsault, even that I've seen Trump, I've
Speaker 2: seen him go after people. We remember the whole disabled
Speaker 2: thing for a man hit of him to comport himself
Speaker 2: this way, I think and he understood in this moment,
Speaker 2: I almost need to be a secondary character. And what
Speaker 2: you and I all of us. We've been talking here
Speaker 2: for about an hour and fifteen minutes. We barely talked
Speaker 2: about Donald Trump's performance because that's not the story. And
Speaker 2: I think Trump the showman, he understood that in that
Speaker 2: moment he could he could have actually, he.
Speaker 7: Probably could have lost the moment. He probably could have
Speaker 7: gone a different thing on.
Speaker 2: God in makes him almost makes him feel bad, makes
Speaker 2: us feel bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thats the thing is, it just would have felt mean.
Speaker 1: Like what he did there, that was fine.
Speaker 3: Yes, that was that was it.
Speaker 1: We didn't need you to lay out for us that
Speaker 1: this was going terribly for Joe Biden. He's in coherent
Speaker 1: c and Alan can't formulate a sentence, so we could
Speaker 1: see that. Like I think if he had really gone
Speaker 1: in on that, yeah, would it would have felt too mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it really would change anything, because
Speaker 1: ultimately the story is Biden. But yeah, Trump smartly made
Speaker 1: sure to step back for once and you know, let
Speaker 1: Biden have the headline out of this debate.
Speaker 5: If you watch, you watch Trump, like you watch Trump's
Speaker 5: face just as Biden starts talking in the very beginning,
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, doing like double and triple takes, and
Speaker 5: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: It was just like wow, because it wasn't just the
Speaker 1: incoherence or the inability to formulate a thought. It was
Speaker 1: the look, it was the voice, It was the total package.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I mean in that, you know, Joe
Speaker 3: Biden had to leave him, leave him off stage, like
Speaker 3: she had to lead him down the stairs. Come on,
Speaker 3: we were all for the good of the country. Step
Speaker 3: up if you love.
Speaker 1: Your doing here. Because what they always said about that
Speaker 1: that infamous Nixon Kenny Kennedy, the flop sweat debate, is
Speaker 1: that people who listen on the radio actually thought Nixon
Speaker 1: had won. But because it was televised and he's sweating
Speaker 1: and the way he looks, nobody on the radio.
Speaker 3: There was no.
Speaker 4: Medium, and it's anyone was thinking maybe telegraph someone came across.
Speaker 3: If you read the transcript, you still just be like
Speaker 3: what theo was?
Speaker 5: Medicare like, people don't even think Trump won, like they
Speaker 5: think he won by default objectively, But.
Speaker 3: That's what we're saying, really and lost, Yeah exactly. I
Speaker 3: mean I don't even know what Trump said. He hung un.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think or pay attention to what Trump
Speaker 3: was saying. And I'm just like, I can't.
Speaker 1: Killing people Palestinian.
Speaker 7: That was interesting.
Speaker 3: He's a Palestinian, but he's not even one. Not even
Speaker 3: they like him.
Speaker 1: He's weak because he's a weak Palestinian. Palestinians apparently the
Speaker 1: floor now.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was just but was he trying to
Speaker 5: be nice to Palestinians that like lots of are strong
Speaker 5: or something you're thinking too deeply.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's just like that was a good one.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: We've got a question here from our locals chat for
Speaker 2: our premium subscribers shout out, by the way breaking points
Speaker 2: to support us, and they say, what is the drop
Speaker 2: dead date? No pun intended for replacing Biden? So what
Speaker 2: we've got six weeks? It will be the longest six
Speaker 2: weeks in six weeks American political hitts.
Speaker 5: He doesn't actually need to be on the Ohio ballot anyway,
Speaker 5: because he's not going to win Ohio. But basically, you
Speaker 5: have to be on every ballot that matters and gets
Speaker 5: you to two seventy. But you have to be on
Speaker 5: enough state ballots where you can win two hundred and
Speaker 5: seventy plus votes, and that's really late August, early September.
Speaker 1: I'm looking DNC virtually nominate Biden Harris.
Speaker 12: But even then it's tough because of the electoral college.
Speaker 12: So if you're only on you can you can get
Speaker 12: to seventy. But in states, for example, if you're a Democrat,
Speaker 12: it's a bunch of red states.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no to seventy where you can plausibly
Speaker 3: win as well.
Speaker 2: Right, they need to replace him before the convention so
Speaker 2: that they can get on the ballot and all, which
Speaker 2: they're already all on the ballot on all fifty and
Speaker 2: they can run if they were going to do.
Speaker 3: Convention starts in nineteenth. When's the thing they're talking.
Speaker 1: About, So it's I don't it says they haven't confirmed.
Speaker 1: According to this ABC News article, they haven't confirmed a
Speaker 1: date when the virtual nomination will happen, but it has
Speaker 1: to be before the August seventh, Ohio ballot deadline, and
Speaker 1: now that's.
Speaker 5: Going to be so it's like a like a month
Speaker 5: that could also become now more scandalous than it was
Speaker 5: before because if they online, if they come.
Speaker 3: Out, nobody was paying attention to this online thing.
Speaker 5: To except this show was watching us. Those people were
Speaker 5: paying attention, but the country was not. So now a sudden,
Speaker 5: if you have a headline that says Democrats to rush
Speaker 5: nomination of Biden two weeks before election.
Speaker 3: Cheez, yes, this looks corrupt. True. Have Republicans changed it yet?
Speaker 1: Changed the date for the Ohio ballot thing?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure this is in July though, because so
Speaker 3: they'll be fine, there's is like July nineteen. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: I mean, did the Republicans change the law like they
Speaker 3: said they would.
Speaker 4: Actually, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter because he's not gonna win Ohio.
Speaker 2: All right, here's a question from a fellow five hundred
Speaker 2: form of our premium subscribers. Could this be the moment
Speaker 2: for third parties? And I think that actually might be
Speaker 2: the most fascinating part of our discussion tonight.
Speaker 12: I think Ryan's point about how it really was something
Speaker 12: that changed the course of history to exclude RFK Junior
Speaker 12: from this debate. You said something after Ryan made that
Speaker 12: point about how it would have felt like it was
Speaker 12: a two man race, not between Trump and Biden, but
Speaker 12: between Trump and RFK Junior. And if ever there were
Speaker 12: a moment for the third party, the plausible third party.
Speaker 7: Candidate to hit that lane, well, I think it might.
Speaker 12: Have been tonight, because they'll find a million different ways
Speaker 12: if they replace Biden. I mean, they can find a
Speaker 12: candidate that's even better. That makes RFK Junior less attractive
Speaker 12: to certain voters.
Speaker 3: So it could have been mentioned kicking himself not taking
Speaker 3: that no labels.
Speaker 12: Tonight could have been the night that the two party
Speaker 12: system was dealt a significant The most significant blow.
Speaker 2: To the alternative is that Biden hangs on RFK still
Speaker 2: on the ballot, and he wins like thirty two percent
Speaker 2: of the vote. That would be insane, That would actually
Speaker 2: blow up the entire system.
Speaker 7: Well like doesn't really want road numbers.
Speaker 3: He could do better than that, Yeah, I mean he would.
Speaker 2: If you win a third of the popular vote in
Speaker 2: this country, that's it's game over. I mean, you created
Speaker 2: regardless whether if.
Speaker 5: It really doesn't create a three party system, you just
Speaker 5: get a new two party system.
Speaker 2: True, yeah, but I mean I mean in a certain way,
Speaker 2: that's what's always happened, right with the hire third parties.
Speaker 5: You absorb the go away right, the Republican. If all
Speaker 5: of a sudden you have a multi party system, I
Speaker 5: don't know. I just.
Speaker 1: I think there are enough people who are still so
Speaker 1: locked into just like you know, he's the Prize. He's
Speaker 1: a Democrat, he's not Trump. You know. I I rfk
Speaker 1: Junior will benefit, but I'm skeptical that you will have
Speaker 1: enough people that will go to him, especially if he
Speaker 1: continues to be shut out of mainstream forums, et cetera
Speaker 1: to actually challenge.
Speaker 7: But who the hell knows, Like it's harder to shut
Speaker 7: him out going forward to.
Speaker 1: Think so too there. I can tell you one thing's
Speaker 1: for sure. If Biden is a Democratic nominee, there ain't
Speaker 1: no way on hell they're doing that second debate.
Speaker 11: That is.
Speaker 10: No way.
Speaker 3: It's actually COVID and ten weeks of isolation.
Speaker 7: But they only announced it in the during the debate, like.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're so sorry.
Speaker 4: What if he's down by ten?
Speaker 1: Yeah, then they do what you suggest and they're just like, well,
Speaker 1: hopefully the Senate in the House and we'll cross our fingers.
Speaker 2: Eight. I think Biden will do it, and I think
Speaker 2: he will be down by ten because Biden is so arrogant,
Speaker 2: he'd be like, we're going to show him this time, Jack,
Speaker 2: he's going to come back.
Speaker 3: What if in his mind he's not? Unless But what
Speaker 3: if they at the moment there was they're not going
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 7: But I'm saying hypothetically, what does that do to the ballots?
Speaker 7: So if they don't, I saw.
Speaker 1: A funny I saw an interesting question here. Someone said
Speaker 1: I can't find it. Oh, here we go putting conspiracy
Speaker 1: hat on? Was this debate pushed by deems to embarrass Biden?
Speaker 3: I don't trust them enough to do that. It just
Speaker 3: was the day there was Ryan you said that from
Speaker 3: the beginning, you were like, some people are actually cheering him, right, yeah, right.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's why they did it, but yeah,
Speaker 5: definitely a lot of Democrats I think around the country
Speaker 5: were like, this is our last chance to save the
Speaker 5: party and save the country and save democracy. That if
Speaker 5: Biden completely implodes on stage and they got their wish,
Speaker 5: like they got the performance, that in a small d
Speaker 5: democratic system would lead to him stepping down. And it's
Speaker 5: a real test of whether there are any democratic veins
Speaker 5: still kind of running through that body or not, because
Speaker 5: democracy is not just like running through the traps of
Speaker 5: procedural elections. It's like actual, actually can the will of
Speaker 5: a public be expressed through the various.
Speaker 3: Systems and pressure you have. I'm so cynical. I don't
Speaker 3: think so.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I think he. I think he
Speaker 2: is arrogant, and I don't think or any of those
Speaker 2: people have the courage to tell him that it's time
Speaker 2: to go. And I think we are.
Speaker 5: It's wow, Yeah, it's amazing contemplate. Yeah, wants him to run, yeah,
Speaker 5: and be on the ballot. Yet he will be on
Speaker 5: the ballot and.
Speaker 3: That is not new.
Speaker 1: By the way, the American people, the Democratic Party, how
Speaker 1: many polls did we cover majority Democrats?
Speaker 4: We want options, We do not want to just go
Speaker 4: with Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: We would at least like to have some choices. And
Speaker 1: what did the Democratic Party do in response? How about
Speaker 1: we literally cancel primaries?
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 1: How about we do that because democracy is on the ballot.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they lost a bunch of mayoral races in Florida.
Speaker 5: Did you follow that story? Yes, because he canceled the
Speaker 5: primary and then Republicans were like, oh wait, I'm mayor
Speaker 5: of this town, right?
Speaker 3: Democratic town now right?
Speaker 1: Because people didn't show up for the right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there have been so many criminal acts
Speaker 2: like along the way that in retrospect, I mean, which
Speaker 2: we called out here on the show live and we're like,
Speaker 2: this is not going to look good.
Speaker 3: This is going to be bad.
Speaker 2: This could be a bad precedent. What about this primary?
Speaker 2: What about this ridicule? After ridicule, people just move on
Speaker 2: and they thought they could bluff their way and this
Speaker 2: is the result they got. So any closing remarks, what
Speaker 2: do you guys think, Emily God bless America?
Speaker 7: We beat Medicare Yeah, thank goodness.
Speaker 4: By the way, that's it.
Speaker 3: By the way, he goes, by the way, and he
Speaker 3: had also had thirty seven sec of slacking dance and
Speaker 3: she was like, do you She was like, do you
Speaker 3: want to finish?
Speaker 7: By the way.
Speaker 1: That's actually what I wanted to close with is I'm
Speaker 1: laughing a lot because it's so preposterous.
Speaker 3: But it's dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is dark that we got, I mean everything
Speaker 1: about it, that we got to this place, that this
Speaker 1: is where we are as a country. These two dudes,
Speaker 1: this guy who can't I mean, and your point about
Speaker 1: it being such a test of is there even a
Speaker 1: shred of democracy? Actual democracy still operational? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: if you pulled American people right now after watching that debate,
Speaker 1: what percentage of him would be like, yes, Joe Biden
Speaker 1: all the way.
Speaker 3: This is the guy.
Speaker 2: Maybe five percent and they're all eighty years old, you think.
Speaker 2: So they're like, you know what, I'm in my golden years. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm joining.
Speaker 1: Honey, yeah, honey, to the country. To you who say
Speaker 1: like I couldn't do the job, I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: do the job, like I know what I feel like
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, last thoughts.
Speaker 5: Ryan Well Democrats had said privately, you know it's good
Speaker 5: that this is so early so that if he botches
Speaker 5: it terribly, we can recover.
Speaker 3: So, you guys, we're going to find out if that
Speaker 3: genius plan is going to work out.
Speaker 2: All right, there we go. I think I've said everything.
Speaker 2: I got nothing else left to say. We'll see they
Speaker 2: either pull him or they don't. I hope for the
Speaker 2: sake of the country they do. I don't think that
Speaker 2: they will. By the way, everybody, thank you so much
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Speaker 3: And if they nominate somebody else will be there as well.
Speaker 1: And it's going to be interesting as hell to see
Speaker 1: how the media plays this, how democrats play this over
Speaker 1: the coming days and weeks.
Speaker 3: What a day, What a day in America.
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