WEBVTT - Chuck’s Commentary - War With Iran Is Devouring Trump’s Presidency +  Ticketmaster Settlement Proves Trump’s Populism Is A Ruse

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<v Speaker 1>They're happy Wednesday, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>check podcast. It is a Wednesday in an even numbered year,

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<v Speaker 1>which means were the day after a Tuesday, which means

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<v Speaker 1>if it's Tuesday, somebody was voting somewhere the somewheres that

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<v Speaker 1>I that we should be paying attention to special election

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<v Speaker 1>to place Marjorie Taylor Green. That it was an all

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<v Speaker 1>candidate jungle primary. That's why you see the Democratic candidate

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<v Speaker 1>looking like they did really well. There was a whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of Republicans. This now goes to a runoff. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't hold my breath about Democrats there. They you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they lose by single digits, it's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>This is still a very conservative district. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I read one stat that even in those

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<v Speaker 1>big Public Service Commission races in November of twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the Democratic candidate's it's still underperformed by some

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen points in this district. So it's a it is

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<v Speaker 1>a very conservative district, and it is it is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. It is going to go to the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>endorsed candidate. But you know it again, to me, single

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<v Speaker 1>bidgets would be a big deal come the runoff, and

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<v Speaker 1>it will be a low turnout situation. So the likelihood

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<v Speaker 1>of it being closer than it should be is is higher.

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<v Speaker 1>There in Mississippi, we had no really major primaries. Bennie Thompson,

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<v Speaker 1>the longtime Democratic member of Congress there was challenged by

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<v Speaker 1>someone younger that was not It's competitive, but not that close.

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<v Speaker 1>He survives. I'm gonna have a little bit more to

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<v Speaker 1>say about the battle for the Senate because we had

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<v Speaker 1>a big, a big change with the Montana News. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually have a little bit of an update on where

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<v Speaker 1>I think Montana stands in the battle for the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Needless to say, it is in play. The question is

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<v Speaker 1>how in play is it. This is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a complicated issue for the National Democratic Party because of

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<v Speaker 1>the strength potential strength of this independent candidate in the

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<v Speaker 1>former University of Montana military veteran Seth Bodner. I also

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<v Speaker 1>because it's Mississippi primary day, I decided. I told you

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<v Speaker 1>I've been sitting on some book research for years that

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<v Speaker 1>is about featuring and showcasing the all time greatest campaigns

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<v Speaker 1>in every state. Well it's Mississippi week, so I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I would reveal my top five all time campaigns in

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi history. And it's got a bit of a twist.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit of a history lesson and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a showcase. And I think it shows

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<v Speaker 1>you how far where Mississippi was, where it has been,

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<v Speaker 1>where it's headed, and where it is now. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you're a political junkie, I think you'll enjoy it. And

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<v Speaker 1>as always, if you disagree with my order, let me

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<v Speaker 1>know what I missed. I'd love to this to me,

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<v Speaker 1>is open source history, lesson here on that stuff. Then

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<v Speaker 1>of course I'll take some questions. But let's begin with

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<v Speaker 1>what is now consuming this presidency and what may devour

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<v Speaker 1>this presidency, and that is the war of choice. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what this is, and this is what makes it

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<v Speaker 1>so precarious politically for Donald Trump. His war of choice

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran. We're more than a week into it, and

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<v Speaker 1>depending on which part of the administration you listen to,

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<v Speaker 1>this war is either going to end very quickly, extend

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<v Speaker 1>for quite some time, or evolve into something else entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>And that uncertainty alone would be enough to rattle markets

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<v Speaker 1>and policymakers. But boy, the first two days of this

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<v Speaker 1>week revealed something else that may be even more destabilizing,

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<v Speaker 1>a massive credibility problem, not just with allies, not just

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<v Speaker 1>with Congress, but with financial markets. We've now had two

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<v Speaker 1>days of trading since this war started this week, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and both days the administration appeared to want to manage

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<v Speaker 1>or manipulate the markets. So on Monday, right, we had

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<v Speaker 1>this interesting glimpse of how this residency is operating during

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<v Speaker 1>this crisis. Financial markets open the day already rattled by

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<v Speaker 1>the war, oil prices surged amid fears that the conflict

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<v Speaker 1>was going to disrupt global supply. The White House quickly

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<v Speaker 1>moved to calm those fears. President Trump suggested, I called

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<v Speaker 1>up the CBS News correspondent and he suggested to her

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<v Speaker 1>that the war might end sooner than expected. Remarks that did.

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<v Speaker 1>What by the way, he did this interview before the

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<v Speaker 1>markets closed at four pm Eastern time, and those remarks

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<v Speaker 1>helped ease market anxiety, pushed oil prices lower, pushed the

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<v Speaker 1>markets higher. And then hours later he speaks in front

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<v Speaker 1>of House Republicans, and what, by the way, what a

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<v Speaker 1>disastrous speech that was. If he's trying to rally the

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<v Speaker 1>troops or the midterms. I don't know if the troops

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<v Speaker 1>are going to go through a paper mache wall, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone one that is going to have bricks in it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I digress. By the evening, the President was warning

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<v Speaker 1>that the United States was prepared to escalate the conflict

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<v Speaker 1>and continue fighting until Iran was, in his words, totally

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<v Speaker 1>and decisively defeated. Now it's possible he was reading for

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<v Speaker 1>an old speech script. Maybe his mind he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to speed up the end of this thing, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he had prepared remarks for the House Republican retreat. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's the thing with this administration, right, can you trust

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<v Speaker 1>anything they do? Can you at all trust what's coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of their mouth means something for more than an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the same day on Monday, we got both

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<v Speaker 1>reassurance and ended with escalation. So markets in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>military messaging in the evening. Is that what we're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to take away from this? Not one hundred percent sure

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<v Speaker 1>it was really anything other than do whatever it took

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<v Speaker 1>to calm the markets down and we'll worry about tomorrow tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>This feels like they are managing this by the day,

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<v Speaker 1>by the hour, right, and we know the only guardrail

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<v Speaker 1>that moves Trump at all is the markets. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>unusually sensitive to market reactions, you know, care Off day.

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<v Speaker 1>If he could pull it undo the start of this war,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he already would have, just like he did

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<v Speaker 1>with his tariffs on Liberation Day. But you can't unbomb

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<v Speaker 1>the country Kenya. So now it appears the presidency is

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<v Speaker 1>now chasing the markets, and this kind of rapid shift

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<v Speaker 1>suggests something important about how this administration is govering. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks a lot less like a carefully sequenced strategy

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<v Speaker 1>and more like a presidency that is operating by the

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<v Speaker 1>seat of their pants reaction instead of direction. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>what I said on Monday. Welcome to quicksand. This presidency

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<v Speaker 1>is getting devoured ever so slowly by the quicksand of

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<v Speaker 1>this war in Iran. Every attempt to stabilize one part

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<v Speaker 1>of the situation creates risking instability somewhere else. That was Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Tuesday, a social media post from the Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>Energy briefly suggested that the US naval forces had successfully

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<v Speaker 1>escorted oil tankers through the straight of hormones. Well, guess what.

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<v Speaker 1>Markets loved it. They reacted instantly. Oil prices plunged in

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<v Speaker 1>just a few minutes in exchange traded fund tied to

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<v Speaker 1>oil futures lost roughly eighty four million dollars in market value.

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<v Speaker 1>Little manipulation of the markets. Huh. And then the post

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<v Speaker 1>was suddenly deleted. The explanation, Ah, the caption was wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>A staffer may have done it. They want to check

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<v Speaker 1>that staffer's investment brokers account. By the way, maybe that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you trust them? Credibility matters big time at a

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<v Speaker 1>time of war, and this administration has burned through so

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<v Speaker 1>much of its credibility with the average American that you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to see a lot of questions about everything

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<v Speaker 1>they do or say, because what they say is not

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<v Speaker 1>what they do, and what they do is not what

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<v Speaker 1>they say. This administration has spent years eroding trust with institutions. Proactively.

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<v Speaker 1>They go out of their way to make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>don't us certain institutions. Look what they've done to the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>They want the FBI distrust it, they want the irs

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<v Speaker 1>distrust it, and they've done it. They've made allies question

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<v Speaker 1>what we do. And now the markets what are they

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to believe? So when something like that happens, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's intentional accidental, the benefit of the doubt is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>This is two days in a row. Look, we always

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<v Speaker 1>had the rule of three for deciding something's a trend.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've had two. But let's just say we're all

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<v Speaker 1>watching on Wednesday to see are they going to play

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<v Speaker 1>this game again? And markets do assume the government is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to move prices, and it's a dangerous place when

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<v Speaker 1>the global energy system is already under pressure for more

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<v Speaker 1>because eventually markets will stop reacting to government reassurance they

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<v Speaker 1>will only react to reality, and that's a scarier place

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<v Speaker 1>to be. I've noticed Secretary Treasury has been quite quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>He normally loves to jump in and play the game himself. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the reality of the war is already becoming clear. This

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing. During their brief into Congress, we learned we

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<v Speaker 1>had already heard that the first week of the war

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<v Speaker 1>was costing at least six billion dollars worth of munitions. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently they told Congress they burned through five point six

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars worth of munitions in the first two days

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<v Speaker 1>of fighting alone. Two days. That's not a cost of

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<v Speaker 1>the war. That's just the cost of the ammunition. That

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't count the fighter jets that were lost to friendly fire. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we know that's millions and millions of dollars just the ammunition.

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<v Speaker 1>And now the Pentagon's reporting roughly one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>American service members have been wounded, most with minor injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is pretty clear what a RAN's up to.

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<v Speaker 1>Iran is borrowing a playbook that overmatched countries have used

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<v Speaker 1>with success in the past. Whether it was what we

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<v Speaker 1>had to face in Vietnam, what Russia had to face

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<v Speaker 1>in Afghanistan. What the Taliban did to us in Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 1>the insurgency that we dealt with in Iraq. This is

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<v Speaker 1>the asymmetrical part, the uncoordinated part of the Iranian Republican Guard.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why we are dealing now with an asymmetrical

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<v Speaker 1>fighting enemy, and that is a scary place to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Recent history tells us why. So meanwhile, the economy, So

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<v Speaker 1>you have rising oil prices which will impact inflation, a

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<v Speaker 1>potentially shrinking jobs market. Right. That was also happened last week,

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<v Speaker 1>and it has made the s word start to appear

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<v Speaker 1>stagflation fear because you've got oil prices surging, shipping routes

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<v Speaker 1>to the golfer under pressure. That's going to screw with

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<v Speaker 1>the supply chain. We saw what that did during COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have the same supply chain issues going through

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<v Speaker 1>the straight upore moves. Energy infrastructure across the region has

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<v Speaker 1>become a target. Even Pete Haig said that the Pentagon

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to push back on what the Israelis have

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<v Speaker 1>been doing and bombing too much of the energy infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>Aron's targeting energy infrastructure in Saudi Arabia, Ua and Katar

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<v Speaker 1>They want to make this as painful as possible in

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<v Speaker 1>order to have our allies pressure the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>Israel to back off because of what they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do to the global economy and if we end up

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<v Speaker 1>with stagflation rising prices combined with slowing economic growth. As

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<v Speaker 1>Austin Goulesby, he was president of the Chicago Fed one

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<v Speaker 1>time Obama economic advisor, he warned recently that when rising

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<v Speaker 1>unemployment collides with an oil shock, it creates the exact

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<v Speaker 1>kind of environment central banks fear the most. It's hard

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<v Speaker 1>was always a line on that front. Yet the administration

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<v Speaker 1>They want to intervene. Somebody has thrown out this is

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<v Speaker 1>He wants to intervene in the oil futures markets, basically

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<v Speaker 1>just say economists reacted with alarm. One anaists warned it

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<v Speaker 1>be careful of something here right now because of the

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<v Speaker 1>current shutdown involving TSA agents, right, especially as the war

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<v Speaker 1>sort of consumes Remember the underlying issue that was driving

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<v Speaker 1>the shutdown of the partial shutdown of DHS and the

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<v Speaker 1>first right, So while we have all these unfolding events

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<v Speaker 1>overseas and in global markets, we are still sitting with

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<v Speaker 1>this partial shutdown of DHS. TSA agents are now facing

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of missing their second paycheck this week. I

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<v Speaker 1>have flown this week. TSA agents are getting kind of grumpy.

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<v Speaker 1>All of fellow travelers couldn't have been. You could hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's been extra nice hanging there. Thanks for coming to work,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I said. That's what a lot of people said.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're not getting paid. We've got spring break. Travel

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<v Speaker 1>is just starting to kick in. This is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be one of those things where public inconvenience is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to care about the political reasons why we're in

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<v Speaker 1>the situation that we're in. So Democrats have had leverage

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<v Speaker 1>in this fight, right the unpopularity of immigration enforcement of DHS.

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<v Speaker 1>But Christy Numb's been fired. There's kind of a focus

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<v Speaker 1>on a whole bunch of other stuff. So in some ways,

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<v Speaker 1>when do Democrats declare victory on this, they got numb fired.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to get some changes, They're probably going to

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<v Speaker 1>get mull into at least agree to some things. That

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<v Speaker 1>is confirmation hearing this is just like that last shutdown.

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<v Speaker 1>They've made their point, they got some action. They certainly

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<v Speaker 1>have the public confirmation by the administration to the American

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<v Speaker 1>public that all was not right with the HS. They

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<v Speaker 1>better be careful here right right now. They don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. You know, this is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>classic case when you're just just look at the politics

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<v Speaker 1>of the situation. The party you're running against is just

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<v Speaker 1>imploding on itself. This war with Iran is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a weight around the ankle of every Republican running

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty six. So this is a classic case

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<v Speaker 1>where get out of the way, don't offer up your

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<v Speaker 1>opponent a lifeline, and sticking to their guns too long

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<v Speaker 1>on this partial shutdown, which is doesn't deal directly with

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<v Speaker 1>the part of DHS they want to be dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>that's already been funded. You're punishing the flying public, you're

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<v Speaker 1>punishing college kit, you're punishing families wanting to go visit

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<v Speaker 1>Grandma on Grandpa or Easter in passover. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>their calculation needs to shift here sooner rather than later,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is this is one of those again, when

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<v Speaker 1>the public is inconvenience, politics doesn't become very clean anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And if airline airport lines starts stretching two or three

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<v Speaker 1>hours during the spring break travel season, people who normally

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<v Speaker 1>ignore the Washington mess start paying attention. So it's this

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<v Speaker 1>is a Democrat forced shutdown of DHS. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>there can point finger point all this and back and forth,

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<v Speaker 1>but they ought to be a bit aware of this

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<v Speaker 1>and ask themselves do they want to get in the

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<v Speaker 1>way of right now is a never ending set of

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<v Speaker 1>negative headlines impacting elected Republicans. But let's go back to

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<v Speaker 1>Iran a minute, because the bigger challenges. I do think

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<v Speaker 1>if he can undo this, see what this is not

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<v Speaker 1>going well? And there's because the problem is the enemy

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<v Speaker 1>always gets to say and Iran is not. This idea

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<v Speaker 1>that he was going to pull a venezuela is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>what he thought and now that ain't gonna happen. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, this Kamane son, are we going to see him?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he alive? Is he in the hospital. Was he is?

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<v Speaker 1>He just sort of up up front for the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>Guard here? What's going on? Do we need this is there?

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<v Speaker 1>I think if if the Iranian regime wants some credibility still,

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<v Speaker 1>they probably need to have some proof of life here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Kamani Sun. It is interesting that he's been

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<v Speaker 1>named the third leader of Iran since the Islamic Revolution

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<v Speaker 1>in seventy nine, but we've not seen or heard from him.

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<v Speaker 1>Just something to keep in mind. But that gets us

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<v Speaker 1>back to how does this end? What does victory look like?

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<v Speaker 1>President has offered several versions. Ran must surrender. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they're going to do that anytime soon. Iran must

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<v Speaker 1>be rendered militarily useless. Well, how much do you bomb Tehran?

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<v Speaker 1>How much infrastructure do you get rid of? The more

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure you get rid of, the more we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay to rebuild. And this idea that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to pay to rebuild a country we've bombed,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty un American of us. We rebuilt Japan, we

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilt Germany. This is what we do. This is how

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<v Speaker 1>we keep credibility in the world as leader of the

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<v Speaker 1>free world. Maybe this is not the way Donald Trump thinks,

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<v Speaker 1>but it will be a stain on America if we're

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<v Speaker 1>not involved in this. Now he's also said Iran must

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<v Speaker 1>be totally defeated. What does that look like? They're powerful phrases,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not strategies. Regional officials people in Turkey are

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<v Speaker 1>warning that Iran and its allies have enough drones and

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<v Speaker 1>missiles to sustain months of fighting. And here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The Iranians have a lower level of what victory looks

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<v Speaker 1>like for them. The regime surviving is victory, so we

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<v Speaker 1>could pummel them to death. This is like a bad

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<v Speaker 1>version of Ropodote. Right. If they're still in power despite

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<v Speaker 1>holy hell terror that has been dropped upon them by

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<v Speaker 1>the US military, in the Israeli military, and the regime

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<v Speaker 1>is still in power, that becomes a symbolic victory against

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<v Speaker 1>in a way way that that that that is hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we fully appreciate. It's like what happened

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<v Speaker 1>with US in Vietnam and with the Russians in Afghanistan. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>is Donald Trump can he handle months of this? Even

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:22.600
<v Speaker 1>the Iranians just surviving months will do huge We'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a huge negative impact on the global economy, gigantic impact

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<v Speaker 1>on the global economy which will hit us. Does it

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<v Speaker 1>cause a recession? Right? If we're in this four months.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem he's got is he doesn't want to send

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<v Speaker 1>in any ground troops and the and the reality is

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<v Speaker 1>if you talk to military leaders, they are going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you you're not gonna be able to resolve this

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<v Speaker 1>situation in the way he wants to resolve it, probably

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<v Speaker 1>without putting in troops on the ground. And yet you

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about a catastrup probably the point where

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<v Speaker 1>he would lose. Many Republicans on the record that are

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<v Speaker 1>elected office against thing like that, so they don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to risk that. But that's the problem. When you start

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<v Speaker 1>a war where you automatically box yourself in on things

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<v Speaker 1>you won't do well, then you limit your ability to

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<v Speaker 1>actually win the thing. This is why there were so

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<v Speaker 1>many people trying to pull him back, including the Chairman

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<v Speaker 1>of the Joint Chiefs. Let's not forget he was doing

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<v Speaker 1>everything he could to make sure they were are you

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<v Speaker 1>sure you want to do this, because it wasn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear how this was going to end, especially

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<v Speaker 1>since we worked did not work. There was no coordination

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<v Speaker 1>with there was no opposition to coordinate with, and what

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<v Speaker 1>opposition there was might have been killed by the regime

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<v Speaker 1>during the protests. So this fantasy that Trump had that

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<v Speaker 1>this was going to be he could find his Delci

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<v Speaker 1>Rodriguez is Iatola Rodriguez, is just that a fantasy. I

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to point out a few other things,

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<v Speaker 1>probably the surreal moment of the week, the old Russians

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<v Speaker 1>and Witkof and this sort of clown show that is,

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<v Speaker 1>these negotiators that all are doing business with these Middle

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern countries and then magically are somehow the negotiators here right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump held a phone call with Vladimir Putin this

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<v Speaker 1>week and according to the Kremlin, Putin offered several proposals

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<v Speaker 1>to help end the war with Iran. And at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, apparently one of Trump's envoys, this is Steve Whitcoff.

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<v Speaker 1>He was asked on television whether Russia might be sharing

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence with Iran and he said, well, they reassured us,

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<v Speaker 1>and Putin reassured him in the call with Trump that

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't. And Witkoff said, with a straight face to

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<v Speaker 1>a CNBC anchor, we can take them at their word.

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<v Speaker 1>So again this is the same guy would not take

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranians at their word, but we'll take the Russians

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<v Speaker 1>at their word. If your strategy depends on taking Vladimir

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<v Speaker 1>put at his word, you may not have much of

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<v Speaker 1>a strategy. So, yes, the Iranians may be getting intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>helped from the Russians. There's no doubt the Russians want.

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing to happen to Russian this war with

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine is for the United States to be using up

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 1>munitions that we're going to get rerouted to Ukraine and

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>instead we're using them up and it starves Ukraine of resources.

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<v Speaker 1>So of course Putin's going to play all sides of

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<v Speaker 1>this thing. Of course he's going to do what he

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<v Speaker 1>can to help Iran extend this war and keep the

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<v Speaker 1>United States distracted from helping Ukraine, even though he already

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<v Speaker 1>has a presidential leader who has little interest in helping Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>But you do have a majority of the US government

0:27:45.200 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that actually does want to help Ukraine. Finally, there was

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>a story this week that's getting attle bit overshadowed, but

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:59.720
<v Speaker 1>it really erodes whatever credit. You know, Donald Trump was

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>trying to always be this idea that he was going

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>to get big government and big tech and big business,

0:28:05.240 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 1>and he was going to be pretty tough on them,

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.199
<v Speaker 1>and he was going to have a strong antitrust regime.

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 1>And certainly JD. Vance whose credibility right, This was the

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>guy that said no, there will be no new wars

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.880
<v Speaker 1>under a Donald Trump. And then he was the one

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:19.639
<v Speaker 1>that said he loved Lena Khan and there was going

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 1>to be some really tough antitrust investigations of certain companies. Well,

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 1>guess what. The Justice Department abruptly reaches a settlement with

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 1>Live Nation, the parent company of Ticketmaster, in the middle

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>of its anti trust trial. Just a year ago. The

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 1>government was trying to break up the company for for

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>operating and what many believe was an illegal monopoly when

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>it came to live events and concerts. And then suddenly

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a deal. There's no breakup, just a handful of modest restrictions.

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Even the federal judge overseeing the case expressed anger at

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:58.239
<v Speaker 1>how this settlement appeared without warning. He didn't know they

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 1>were still in talks. Well, guess what happened. We know

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you the fact that we have reporting confirming this. You

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't even know that you knew exactly what happened. Live

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Nation lobbyists went directly to senior Trump officials. They bypassed

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Justice Department lawyers because in this case it doesn't look

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 1>like the Justice Department was interested in settling. Nope, they

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>went ahead and did a deal behind the back of

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>the Justice Department. They stepped in to protect a ticketing

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>monopoly that millions of Americans complain about every time they

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>try to buy a concert ticket. This is another one

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>of these things, just like he did to the Maha people, right,

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and signing that pesticide executive order allowing that pesticide in.

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>He talks a big game unpopulism, and when push comes

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to shove, if a lobbyist gets his ear and more

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>than just his ear, and it comes with some sort

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:06.520
<v Speaker 1>of financial contribution attached and whatever slush fund he wants

0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>it contributed to. But we see that this is a

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>absolute pattern. Right, Monsanto had never given money. They gave

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>a million dollars. They get this executive order. Right. We've

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>seen it with the crypto guys, We've seen it with

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the pardons. Now you've got this Live Nation thing. I

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>think it under mines. You know, we have some interesting

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:33.280
<v Speaker 1>new polling from my friends at NBC News and they

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>mostly it was mostly on the on the Iraq War

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and Iraq War oops, Iran War. I don't know how

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>many times I'm gonna Freudian slip that one. But what's

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting in some of the studies they've done is there

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 1>is this group of hard independence. It's about thirteen to

0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>fifteen percent of the electorate. They're mostly young men, not

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 1>college educated, pretty diverse group of men. This is not

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>white men. I mean, there's a chunk of white men

0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>in it, but it's pretty diverse between white men, black men,

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and Hispanic men, mostly younger, sort of under fifty. And

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:16.560
<v Speaker 1>these were the deciders, right, they went with Trump in

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty four and it's these policies that they don't like. Right,

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 1>they're skeptical of corporations, but they're skeptical of the cultural

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>progressivism of the left too. But Trump continues to sort

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>of let them down, or at least remind them that

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>he's not on their side. He may say things that

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 1>sound like he's on their side, but his actions always

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>put him on the side of the biggest donor or

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the wealthiest person that gets into the room. A few

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>notes on the polling about Iran and I thought i'd

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>leave that, and then I'm gonna we'll get to my

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>interview with John Adams. What's interesting here in this new

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>NBC News poll is that the numbers no matter how

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you ask the question whether you do you think the

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>United States should have or should not have taken military

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>action against Iran, forty one percent say the US should have,

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>fifty two percent they should not. Then, when you ask

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:17.959
<v Speaker 1>the question, do you approve or disapprove of President Trump's

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>handling of the situation Iran, forty one percent approve, fifty

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>four percent disapproved. So basically you're looking at identical numbers.

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I thought it'd be worthy to note which groups is

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>it is the is the should have versus should not?

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 1>If should have ahead of the should not have. Here's

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>where should have bombed Iran is ahead of the should

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 1>not have bonbed Iran among voters fifty to sixty four.

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>That's gen X, that is in young baby boomers, that

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>continues to always be the strongest supporting group of Donald

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Trump and MAGA. Yes it is. I am self aware

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that this is my generation. White voters narrowly forty seven

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>six and of course self described Republicans seventy seven fifteen.

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.920
<v Speaker 1>But it's under eighty. As I told you, you know,

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 1>eighty is a big deal. What is interesting this goes

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>to the same thing I think I told you I

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>hinted about this. Those that say they're a part of

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>MAGA more than they are the GOP, they are more

0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>supportive of these strikes. Right, MAGA influencers are pretty against

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>this decision to strike Iran. But the rank and file,

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 1>if Trump says this is what should be those that

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>say they are more of a MAGA supporter than Republican

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>are right there with Trump on whatever he says. What's interesting,

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And according to the NBC News data, and frankly, this

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 1>is the other polling I've seen, Republicans who do not

0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>call themselves supporters of the Mega movement are much more

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 1>skeptical about this Iran decision. Just fifty four percent support

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>say the United States should have bombed a run. It's

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 1>still a majority, but it's ninety percent among those that

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>call themselves MAGA Republican, and it's only fifty four percent

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 1>among those that don't. So it is, as you can see,

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>it's barely It's basically the core parts of the MAGA

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Trump coalition are the only ones that even have a

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 1>bare majority supporting what he's doing. I mean it is that.

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 1>That's what you learn from this polling, and that's on

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 1>the again. This poll was done after the best news

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 1>of this war had hit the voters, which was the

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<v Speaker 1>have a new top five list, And in honor of

0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi Primaries, I thought I would give you a

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:35.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit on my top As I told you for years,

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I was working on a book about the you know,

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>tales from the trail craziest campaigns in American history. Every

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>state has that wait to hear the story about this one.

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So last week I gave you the five my all

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>time five greatest statewide campaigns in Texas history. Today, I decided,

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:56.359
<v Speaker 1>with Mississippi on the ballot on Tuesday, i'd do the

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>top five top five top And by the way, who

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>knows if this Senate race in the general election Sidney

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Hyde Smith the Republican incumbent District Attorney Scott Colem who

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Sidney Hyde Smith blocked from becoming a federal judge. So

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 1>he decided, SCREWT now, I'm gonna run against her. Who

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>knows right. If he somehow pulls off a victory, this

0:39:24.280 --> 0:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>race will suddenly break into a top five because it

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 1>would be one of the greatest upsets in Mississippi history.

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 1>But I do expect this race, Sidney hight Smith that

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, in a special election back in twenty eighteen

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>against Mike eSPI didn't break fifty five percent. You know,

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Mississippi is one of those where Democrats can get to

0:39:44.600 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 1>forty six forty seven actually fairly easily, not all of this,

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 1>but fairly easily. The problem they got is at last

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 1>three or four. You think it's hard to break the

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 1>barrier in Texas, it's really hard to break the bary

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:59.520
<v Speaker 1>in Mississippi. Although it would cost less to do the

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:02.800
<v Speaker 1>ground in Mississippi that the State Party and the National

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Party have paid lip service to over the years but

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>have never actually done so. With that, though, it was

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting and putting together this top five list, there was

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 1>there's sort of one election cycle in Mississippi history that

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of you can't really categorize. And this is so

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.879
<v Speaker 1>before we get to my top five, I do want

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:32.280
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the eighteen seventy five Mississippi elections because

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 1>it did essentially end reconstruction. Eighteen seventy five. It was

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>called what historians have called this the Redemption elections in Mississippi.

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 1>At the time, the state was being governed by a

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Republican coalition built during Reconstruction, supported heavily by newly enfranchised

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:55.360
<v Speaker 1>black voters. The governor was Adelbert Ames, a former Union

0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:58.560
<v Speaker 1>general who had moved south after the Civil War, one

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 1>of the so called carpetbaggers, as Southerners would call these guys,

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and he became one of the most powerful reconstruction politicians

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 1>in the state of Mississippi. White Democrats, though, organized a

0:41:10.600 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 1>coordinated campaign known as the Mississippi Plan in eighteen seventy five.

0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:18.240
<v Speaker 1>This wasn't just about politics. It was about intimidation. Armed

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 1>rifle clubs appeared at Republican rallies. Black voters were threatened, beaten,

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:26.800
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes killed. Polling places were surrounded. Ames asked Washington

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 1>for federal troops to protect the vote, but the troops

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 1>never came. Democrats captured the legislature and soon forced Aims

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 1>to resign. Reconstruction in Mississippi effectively ended in eighteen seventy five,

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>but the consequences didn't stop at the state line. The

0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>strategy used in Mississippi in eighteen seventy five became the

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>blueprint for Southern Democrats across the South in eighteen seventy six.

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 1>A year later, the country faced the first of what

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 1>would become a handful of disputed presidential elections in our history,

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 1>this one in eighteen seventy six between Samuel Tilden, the

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Democratic governor of New York, and RUTHERD. B. Hayes, the

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Republican governor of Ohio. That crisis was resolved by the

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Uncomfortable Compromise of eighteen seventy seven, which ended federal enforcement

0:42:10.040 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 1>of reconstruction across the South. In some ways, Mississippi had

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:15.840
<v Speaker 1>already ended reconstruction two years before the rest of the

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 1>country admitted it. For the next ninety years, Mississippi functioned

0:42:20.440 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>as a one party democratic state, the political system known

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>as in the Solid South. Everything on our list today

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:33.600
<v Speaker 1>happens inside a political structure that was created in that

0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.439
<v Speaker 1>moment in eighteen seventy five. So it's hard to deal

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 1>with the rest of campaign history in Mississippi without dealing

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>with the eighteen seventy five elections that up basically ended reconstruction.

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>So with that being said, the top five most consulate,

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's a combination. Look what you decide is you

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:59.799
<v Speaker 1>know these are these are consequential elections, and that's why

0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 1>they made the top five list. Number one on my

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>list is the nineteen to fifty nine race for Governor,

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Ross Barnett and the politics of defiance. This is the

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 1>first campaign that takes us to the height of the

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 1>civil rights era. The candidate was Ross Barnett. He was

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a Jackson trial lawyer who'd already run for governor twice

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and lost. Barnett was also a proud member of what

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.920
<v Speaker 1>was a successor to the Klan called Citizen Councils, this

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 1>segregationist organization that emerged after the Supreme Court under Chief

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Justice or A. Warren, ordered school desegregation in Brown versus

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Board of Education. Barnett's campaign message was blunt. He told

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 1>crowds the good Lord was the original segregationist. Barnett finished

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>first in the Democratic primary, then won the runoff against

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>the Lieutenant governor, Carol Garden. Barnett won the runoff with

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>about fifty five percent of the vote. No, there was

0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 1>no Republican This was the old Democratic primary decided who

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>was governor in the South in a lot of places,

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>so Barnett was basically unopposed even at A campaign song

0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:01.640
<v Speaker 1>that became the song of the state of Mississippi was

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 1>called Roll with Ross. Supporters would sing it at rallies

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 1>across Mississippi, and after Barnett won, the melody eventually became

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:14.360
<v Speaker 1>the official state song, Go Mississippi. But this campaign promising

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 1>to enforce segregation wasn't just theater. Barnett was governor in

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two when a Black Air Force veteran named

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>James Merrith excuse me applied to the University of Mississippi.

0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Barnett personally tried to block Meredith from enrolling. Riots erupted

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 1>on campus. Two people were killed, hundreds were injured. Eventually,

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>the President John F. Kennedy sent federal troops to enforce

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the court order. Barnett's nineteen fifty nine campaign was the

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>political mandate behind that confrontation. Mississippi voters didn't stumble into definance.

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:48.359
<v Speaker 1>They elected it. He basically promised that he was never

0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>going to desegregate Mississippi schools, and that fifty nine campaign

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 1>gave us the showdown at Ole, miss in nineteen sixty two.

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Second campaign on my list is the nineteen seventy eight

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Senate r This had some drama in it is the

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>first Republican to break to crack the solid South, and

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>it reshaped Mississippi's party. It basically created a two party system.

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>In seventy eight, long time Democratic Senator James Eastland decided

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 1>to retire after nearly four decades in office. The Democratic

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 1>nominee was Maurice Danton. The Republican nominee was Dad Cochrane.

0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 1>He was a Congressman from Jackson. But the race had

0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 1>a third candidate, Eddie McBride, an independent that was supported

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>by Charles Evers, the mayor of Fayette. Charles Evers was

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.240
<v Speaker 1>also the brother of Medgar Evers, the NAACP Field Secretary

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 1>of Mississippi, who was assassinated outside as Jackson Home in

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three. McBride siphoned off enough Democratic votes to

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:51.120
<v Speaker 1>fracture that old coalition, Dad Cochrane won the Senate seat.

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 1>There were no runoffs for a general election back then.

0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>Dad Cochran won with forty five percent, Maurice Danton got

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.640
<v Speaker 1>forty three percent, and Eddie McBride, with the support of

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Charles Evers, got eleven percent. And that's how the first

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Republican was elected to the US Senate in Mississippi since reconstruction.

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Cochran would serve forty years in the Senate, eventually chairing

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the Appropriations Committee. But Mississippi's political realignment began with a

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 1>race that at the time nobody expected Republicans to win.

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Forty five percent was about their ceiling back then, but

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 1>when you throw a third party into the race, forty

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>five percent became a winning number. Third campaign on my list.

0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen seventy nine Governor. This is one of these positive

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>reform story. William Winter. He was a moderate Democrat from Granada, Mississippi.

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:45.359
<v Speaker 1>He ran for governor in sixty seven and lost. He

0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.160
<v Speaker 1>ran again in seventy five, and he lost again. In

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, he finally won and he won big sixty

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 1>one percent. The Republican Now when he got thirty nine

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.319
<v Speaker 1>percent Democratic primary of course was the whole thing. But

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.360
<v Speaker 1>the significance wasn't just the victory. It was what Winter

0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>did after, and it's a big deal in Mississippi. At

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:05.319
<v Speaker 1>the time, Mississippi had no statewide kindergarten system and no

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:09.120
<v Speaker 1>compulsory school attendance law. Believe it or not, Winter pushed

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:14.280
<v Speaker 1>through a sweeping education reform package after months of campaigning

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:16.520
<v Speaker 1>for the plant across the state. The Education Reform Act

0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty two passed the legislature by just one vote,

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:25.839
<v Speaker 1>but that one vote created public kindergarten dramatically expanded Mississippi

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:29.879
<v Speaker 1>school system. Clarion Ledger called it the Mississippi Miracle, and

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 1>it has been. You know, look it is Mississippi trailed

0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 1>for a long time, but most recently you heard here

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>from Marama Manuel how the continued investment in their public

0:47:39.360 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 1>education system now has thanks to new funding and a

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 1>new reading program by Jim Barksdale, founder of Netscape, they're

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:55.919
<v Speaker 1>in the top five in the country when it comes

0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>to third grade reading. Fourth campaign on My List nineteen

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>ninety nine, Governor, This was a weird election. Mississippi once

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.200
<v Speaker 1>had one of the strangest gubernatorial election systems in America.

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of their own version of the electoral college.

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>To win the governorship, a candidate had to win a

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 1>majority of the statewide vote and a majority of the

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.759
<v Speaker 1>House districts state house districts, and if nobody achieved both,

0:48:18.800 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 1>the election went to the Mississippi House of Representatives. The

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>rule dated back to the eighteen ninety constitution, written during

0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the Jim Crow era. It was all about making sure

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:33.520
<v Speaker 1>no Republican or black candidate could win. That's what member

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>every runoff rule, all the runoff rules in the South

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:41.520
<v Speaker 1>were all about denying black candidates an opportunity to win

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>statewide and win in pluralities. So this was one of

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:47.920
<v Speaker 1>these weird things they put into their constitution. And again

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:50.600
<v Speaker 1>when they did, it tells you everything you need to know.

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Eighteen ninety right, and smack dab in Jim Crow. But

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 1>it never actually came into play until the nineteen ninety

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.520
<v Speaker 1>nine It would come into play one more time, and

0:49:01.560 --> 0:49:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll get to it in a minute. The candidates were

0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Ronnie Musgrove, Democratic Lieutenant governor and a Republican congressman named

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Mike Parker. Musgrove wins forty nine point six percent of

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 1>the vote, Mike Parker got forty eight point five percent

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:17.319
<v Speaker 1>of the vote. Two percent went to others. Musgrove won

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the popular vote, but the House district count ended sixty

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 1>one districts for Musgrove, sixty one districts for Parker. It

0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.280
<v Speaker 1>was a time and under the state constitution, the election

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:32.399
<v Speaker 1>went to the Mississippi House. Well, this was nineteen ninety nine,

0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>but believe it or not, the Democrats still controlled that chamber.

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.720
<v Speaker 1>There were a few chambers they controlled into the early odds.

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Mississippi was one of them. Oklahoma was one of them. Anyway,

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:46.200
<v Speaker 1>they narrowly elected Musgrove governor, but it remains the only

0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:49.920
<v Speaker 1>time in modern Mississippi history that the legislature chose the

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 1>governor instead of the voters. And in twenty twenty, Mississippi

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:58.640
<v Speaker 1>voters themselves finally abolished that system. Number five on my

0:49:58.719 --> 0:50:01.399
<v Speaker 1>list is in a pretty important race because I think

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:04.760
<v Speaker 1>it was a preview of something that the Republican Party

0:50:04.800 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 1>was about to do. It was the twenty fourteen Senate

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Republican primary. It was the final campaign for Thad Cochran.

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.840
<v Speaker 1>He'd been in the Senate thirty six years. The challenger

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 1>was a Tea Party supporting state senator named Chris McDaniel.

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:23.720
<v Speaker 1>First prime first round of the primary vote shocked people.

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:27.600
<v Speaker 1>McDaniel just missed avoiding a runoff. He got forty nine

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:30.320
<v Speaker 1>point five percent of the vote. That Cochran got forty

0:50:30.400 --> 0:50:33.919
<v Speaker 1>nine zero percent of the vote, So no candidate got

0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>fifty percent a runoff was required. This looked like Cochrane

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 1>was a dead duck. Right runoffs, fewer voters show up,

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:46.719
<v Speaker 1>the more conservative candidate usually wins. In this case, it

0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 1>was McDaniel, and yet Cochran won the runoff narrowly fifty

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 1>point eight percent. McDaniel got forty nine point two percent

0:50:55.640 --> 0:50:58.680
<v Speaker 1>he wanted, by about seventy six hundred votes. Cochran survived

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:02.320
<v Speaker 1>by mobilizing a bunch of crossover voters, black voters in

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.800
<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi Delta who had not participated in the Democratic primary.

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:07.959
<v Speaker 1>Remember this was the same this is the same issue

0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I've been bringing up about what John corn faces in Texas.

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:13.840
<v Speaker 1>A whole bunch of voters who voted early in the

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Democratic primary now and are not available to Cornyn, the

0:51:17.600 --> 0:51:20.120
<v Speaker 1>more moderate of the two candidates against Paxton, for him

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:23.319
<v Speaker 1>to potentially message to and get them to vote. Well.

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:26.840
<v Speaker 1>This is what they advantaged Cochrane had. So the Democratic

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>primary was not really that well contested, so there wasn't

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 1>a huge turnout of Democrats for that primary, So there

0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.239
<v Speaker 1>was a whole bunch of voters who hadn't voted, so

0:51:37.320 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 1>in theory they could vote in the Republican run off.

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:45.719
<v Speaker 1>It was an ugly race. The race produced one of

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:48.879
<v Speaker 1>the strangest scandals in modern politics, and McDaniel's supporter broke

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:52.839
<v Speaker 1>into the nursing home to photograph Cochrane's bedridden wife in

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 1>an attempt to embarrass the senator because he was living

0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.280
<v Speaker 1>with another woman while his wife for years was dealing

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 1>with this health issue. Four people ended up arrested. But

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 1>the bigger deal of this race is that this is

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 1>think about it. It's twenty fourteen. Tea Party was on

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the move. That wing of the party was on the move.

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Cochrane beat it back barely having to use Democrats. Twenty sixteen,

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump would get elected president. Looking back, here was

0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 1>one of your canaries in the coal mine in twenty fourteen.

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Now I will there were a few honorable mentions campaigns

0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:33.319
<v Speaker 1>that didn't make my top five. I do want to

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:36.120
<v Speaker 1>mention Blanche Bruce. He was elected to the Senate by

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi legislature in eighteen seventy four, year before the

0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy five those eighteen seventy five reset elections. He

0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:47.760
<v Speaker 1>was the first African American elector to a full Senate term,

0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 1>and he was the first Black American to preside over

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:54.359
<v Speaker 1>the United States Senate. Kirk Fordyce elected governor in nineteen

0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:58.480
<v Speaker 1>ninety one, he became the Mississipp's first Republican governor since reconstruction.

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 1>He won with fifty points eight percent of the vote

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 1>in ninety one. By the way, twenty eighteen centate runoff

0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:07.280
<v Speaker 1>was a fascinating one because you had Sidney Hyde Smith

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and Mike esb The race was, you know, not a

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:14.480
<v Speaker 1>blowout fifty four to forty six, but whoever was going

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 1>to win was going to make history. Mike sp if

0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 1>he had won, would have been the first black Senator

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:23.359
<v Speaker 1>since Blanche Bruce in Reconstruction. And Sydney Hyde Smith would

0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.239
<v Speaker 1>turn out to be the first woman ever elected to

0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Congress in the state of Mississippi. And then, of course

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 1>there were there were two controversial flag referendums that really

0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 1>divided the state. Two thousand and one, voters kept a

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:40.719
<v Speaker 1>Confederate era flag by a landslide sixty four to thirty six.

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:44.880
<v Speaker 1>And yet in twenty twenty voters adopted a new Magnolia

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:49.240
<v Speaker 1>flag in a bigger landslide seventy three twenty seven. Same issue,

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 1>but it was two very different Mississippis. And I think

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a good way to end there. Two thousand and

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:56.920
<v Speaker 1>one told you that Mississippi wasn't ready to move on

0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:01.360
<v Speaker 1>from its from its past. By twenty two, Mississippi was

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:04.680
<v Speaker 1>ready to move on. So look, Mississippi's political history is

0:54:05.040 --> 0:54:07.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty clear. The elections of eighteen seventy five created a

0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 1>system that lasted nearly a century. But the campaigns we

0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.799
<v Speaker 1>walked through show how that system slowly cracked, shifted, and

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:22.440
<v Speaker 1>eventually transformed from segregation to realignment the modern populism. It

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.759
<v Speaker 1>is worth noting Mississippi's election often foreshadow changes that later

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 1>appear across the country. Anyway, So there's my top five list.

0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Let me go back through them one more time for

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the campaign geeks out there like me. Number one for

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:43.280
<v Speaker 1>May fifty nine governor, the election of an avowed segregationist

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:47.320
<v Speaker 1>that ends up giving us the showdown at Ole, miss

0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:53.080
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight Senate Pad Cochrane's shock election thanks to a

0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:55.960
<v Speaker 1>third party candidate that siphon votes away from the Democrat

0:54:56.400 --> 0:55:00.719
<v Speaker 1>seventy nine governor, which gave elected a a Democrat who

0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:04.920
<v Speaker 1>would transform Mississippi's education system that is still paying dividends today,

0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:08.960
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety nine governor. They're a weird electoral college system

0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 1>produces ends up being used by the legislature, and I

0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:16.839
<v Speaker 1>think people were so grossed out by it that it

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 1>was like there was always it was the beginning of

0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the end of that system. It took two decades later

0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 1>for it to be gone, but it would be gone.

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.120
<v Speaker 1>And then, of course number five on my list the

0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Senate Republican primary from twenty fourteen. If you don't like

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:44.919
<v Speaker 1>my list, send me your thoughts, ask Chuck. All right,

0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 1>it is time for questions, a little ass check. And

0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 1>the first one it's perfect. It's almost a derivative. It says, hey,

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed the five most consequential Texas elections. Do you

0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 1>have a list for New Jersey by any chance? And

0:55:57.239 --> 0:55:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I do. I'm not going to give you the full

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 1>list now, but needless to say two that will definitely

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:06.759
<v Speaker 1>be on this list are Bill Bradley's first race in

0:56:06.800 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 1>seventy six, he knocked off an incumbent senator. It is

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:14.760
<v Speaker 1>worth noting Harrison Williams, so that is one. The first

0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Tom Caine victory probably is going to get in there,

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:23.160
<v Speaker 1>and the crazy Torrisselly replacement race, right, all the crazy

0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Trrisselly in Lautenberg and all of that business. So that's

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:32.359
<v Speaker 1>just a taste. There's a couple others that we get there.

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:36.360
<v Speaker 1>I think the first Christy race is probably going to

0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:39.799
<v Speaker 1>make my list, but it is you start. You know,

0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Bill Bradley, by the way, I have and I have

0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.319
<v Speaker 1>another book that I've I have a lot of books

0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I've never written, but I'll tell you that this one

0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:50.319
<v Speaker 1>is I can't Believe they didn't become President book. And

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 1>there'd be like, I think there's eight or ten people

0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 1>that are I can't believe they never became president. Bill

0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:59.839
<v Speaker 1>Bradley is one of them. John Glenn is another one

0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:03.200
<v Speaker 1>of them. We may put Romney on that list someday, right,

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:08.040
<v Speaker 1>we may put in let me think, who else that

0:57:08.120 --> 0:57:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe they didn't become president? List? Right? Hillary Clinton?

0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.560
<v Speaker 1>One hundred years from now, people may say she should

0:57:14.600 --> 0:57:19.160
<v Speaker 1>be on that list as well. But Bill Bradley, I think.

0:57:19.440 --> 0:57:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I think what we found out is Bill Bradley's resume

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:25.480
<v Speaker 1>was more charismatic than Bill Bradley himself. And I say

0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that with love, and I know Senator Bradley a little bit.

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.960
<v Speaker 1>He was always couldn't have been more charming, more nice,

0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:35.960
<v Speaker 1>but he was a guy that didn't didn't command a

0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:39.240
<v Speaker 1>room in the way that you would and he just

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.160
<v Speaker 1>can't put your finger on it. In some ways he

0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>was too cerebral, I think. But when you look at

0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 1>that resume, Princeton Rhodes, scholar, all time great New York nick,

0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 1>all of that business, right, he should have had all

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the markings of somebody that the country would want to

0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:01.200
<v Speaker 1>be as the representative of America for the world. John

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:03.919
<v Speaker 1>Glenn's same thing, but he also was a bit charismatically

0:58:04.000 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 1>challenged at times. His presidential hopes I've had some people

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.680
<v Speaker 1>say came to an end even before he ever ran

0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:15.520
<v Speaker 1>in eighty four when he gave a lackluster keynote speech

0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 1>at a DNC convention. I believe it was in seventy six,

0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 1>so anyway, but yes, I'll have more on New Jersey

0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>as we get closer, but you got to let me

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:26.560
<v Speaker 1>roll these out a week at a time, so give

0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:29.480
<v Speaker 1>you a little taste. Obviously, torus Elly right, all things

0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Porchs are going to be there, the Torch Song trilogy

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.400
<v Speaker 1>as we used to call it back in the Hotline days,

0:58:34.800 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 1>the crazy Lotenberg stuff, all of that. But in fairness

0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 1>to Jersey, I would argue it's great characters have all

0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:49.960
<v Speaker 1>been in the last forty years, fewer great characters in

0:58:49.960 --> 0:58:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the first fifty years. But I know my friend Bill

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Baroni will have a lot of thoughts on this, and

0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:56.880
<v Speaker 1>I have to finish consulting with him. And I know

0:58:56.920 --> 0:59:00.160
<v Speaker 1>you're listening, Bill, so get your I know you you're

0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:02.760
<v Speaker 1>gonna have a lot of opinions about this, So we'll

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 1>get that going, all right, And I promise that's coming soon.

0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Don L. Saganaw Texas. Hey, check,

0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>appreciate listening to the podcast on Monday mornings while I

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:13.919
<v Speaker 1>try to reconnect with the brain cells necessary to serve

0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:16.480
<v Speaker 1>my bride coffee in bed. Well, good for you, coffee

0:59:16.480 --> 0:59:18.880
<v Speaker 1>in bed. You're a better husband than me, As I

0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 1>recall from my Texas public school education background, the last

0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:23.880
<v Speaker 1>time the US declared war was in nineteen forty one.

0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:25.960
<v Speaker 1>One could argue that America has gone to war multiple

0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:29.680
<v Speaker 1>times since that time without declaring it. Since only Congress

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:31.360
<v Speaker 1>is the power to declare war, could you explain how

0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:34.760
<v Speaker 1>this continues to happen. Well, you've got this idea that

0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:38.760
<v Speaker 1>in these you know that these are I guess you

0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:41.720
<v Speaker 1>could say that they are abusing the part of the

0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Constitution about a president having a certain amount of authority

0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to quote, defend the interests of the United States without

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 1>having to go to Congress. Were we ever fighting Vietnam

0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:58.080
<v Speaker 1>or were we fighting the Russians and the Chinese who

0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:04.400
<v Speaker 1>were helping the North Vietnamese that situation. Now, Congress did

1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:10.560
<v Speaker 1>authorize the use of force in Iraq both times. So no,

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<v Speaker 1>we never declared war on those countries, but at least

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<v Speaker 1>there was an authorization of use of force there. But look,

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<v Speaker 1>your larger point is the more important one, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the inability of Congress to do its job to assert

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<v Speaker 1>its authority. And I think in some ways I choose

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<v Speaker 1>to be I choose to look at the Trump presidency

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<v Speaker 1>as a necessary MRI. I think it has been an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible MRI. Right, we have learned about a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of entities, a lot of institutions. Right when

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<v Speaker 1>tested by Trump, which one of them who could stand

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<v Speaker 1>tall and who would fold like a cheap suit? And

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<v Speaker 1>I do think you have Rand Paul In a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of other Republicans wanting to reassert congressional authority. I there's

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<v Speaker 1>this could be the silver lining of this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>him stumbling into this Iran conflict which may not have

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<v Speaker 1>a clean ending anytime soon. Right, we may pull back

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<v Speaker 1>on how much we bomb the country, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like what's been started is going to easily be stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>That you will have a different type of Congress and

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<v Speaker 1>members of Congress who decide that they will read the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution and understand what Article one powers mean for them.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that is my hope of what is the

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<v Speaker 1>silver lining of what has been this? We now understand

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<v Speaker 1>why why did the founders want these constraints around a

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<v Speaker 1>run potential for a runaway executive? Just that to stop

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<v Speaker 1>the potential of a runaway executive? Right, the whole point

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<v Speaker 1>was to prevent a rogue monarch. Shall we say, we

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<v Speaker 1>have all the tools to prevent this, We just have

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<v Speaker 1>let our ability to use those tools atrophy. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this decision to do what he's doing in Iran will

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<v Speaker 1>finally be the line that's crossed that gets more members

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<v Speaker 1>of Congress realizing they have a large responsibility here and

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<v Speaker 1>they need to get their act together. But it starts

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<v Speaker 1>with a speaker. You've got right now. You got a

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<v Speaker 1>speaker in Mike Johnson who has no idea what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a spino right speaker name only Donald Trump. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's at the whims of whatever Trump wants.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's a weak speaker. We've had a series of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Pelosi was a strong speaker, but she was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>too deferential to Democratic presidents. You know, this is only

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<v Speaker 1>going to work is if the next speaker, when their

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<v Speaker 1>party is in the White House, if they as certain

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<v Speaker 1>congressional authority over partisan concerns. And we haven't had a

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<v Speaker 1>speaker do that in my lifetime. All right, next question

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<v Speaker 1>comes from Donovan PG County, Maryland Go Army beat Navy.

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<v Speaker 1>Woo can you say that in Maryland? I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we're Maryland, you know, I kind of I treat Navy

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<v Speaker 1>as semi home home time root form and all the

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<v Speaker 1>conference stuff, you know, is kind of a local ish team, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Annapolis is local enough for me. But anyway, anyway, good

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<v Speaker 1>for you, Donovan. I think I know, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>know which Donovan this is. But I'll I'll be careful,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'll say go army on this one, he says, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Given the significant erosion of America standing on the world

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<v Speaker 1>stage in recent years, what do you think it will

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<v Speaker 1>realistic take both from our next president and from US

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<v Speaker 1>as a country to rebuild the trust incredibility needed to

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<v Speaker 1>reclaim our role as global leader that kind of restoration

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<v Speaker 1>even possible anymore, or as the window for America to

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<v Speaker 1>be seen as the anchor of the international order permanently

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<v Speaker 1>In all seriousness, Donovan, I don't think anything's permanently closed,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's going to be years before we're

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<v Speaker 1>seen as the credible leader here. It's going to take

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<v Speaker 1>presidents of let's just take our relationship with Europe. Before

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<v Speaker 1>Europe fully trusts America again to be as sort of

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<v Speaker 1>security umbrella and be willing to sort of restore the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of Cold War order of sorts, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to see us have a succession of presidents, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of whether they're Democrats are Republicans, but basically two presidents

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<v Speaker 1>in a row from both parties that treat Europe with respect,

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<v Speaker 1>treat our allies with respect, don't want to empire, build,

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to do I mean and so, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is you know, we're at least a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of decades away. Look at christ sis can change things overnight. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>America still has resources that many other countries don't, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take us. We're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>do more to win back the hearts and minds of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Right when there's a natural disaster, we better

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<v Speaker 1>always be the first boats there and the first you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take a lot more international largess, the

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<v Speaker 1>restoration of USAID, the restoration of soft power, but none

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<v Speaker 1>of that happens overnight. So we're sadly probably a generation

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<v Speaker 1>away from that. The next president can begin the healing.

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<v Speaker 1>The president after that can do it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's sort of you know it, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Let you know, you can flip the switch on the

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<v Speaker 1>treatment of African American voters in nineteen sixty four, but

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<v Speaker 1>it but it really took another thirty or forty years

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<v Speaker 1>before there was full, trust full, So it just takes time.

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<v Speaker 1>And on this one, it's going to take the American

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<v Speaker 1>public electing presidents of both parties in successive elections who

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<v Speaker 1>behave essentially the same way internationally, not necessarily with the

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<v Speaker 1>same philosophies, but that we treat our allies with respect,

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<v Speaker 1>that we just the basic things that Trump has thrown away. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of think we're going to need it by

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<v Speaker 1>necessity to try to restore these things. So it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to it's better for our security and it's better for

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<v Speaker 1>our economy. But thanks for asking pretty much the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>question somebody is asked. But like I said, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I know who this is and I appreciate the curveball.

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<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Roger and Farmington, Minnesota. Chuck, will

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<v Speaker 1>abortion emerges as a national issue in the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six midterms or as jobs effectively taking it off the

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<v Speaker 1>table and made it a state by state issue the

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<v Speaker 1>next generation? I I don't think. I still think that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna stand by a prediction I made five years

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<v Speaker 1>ago that I think, but by the end of the decade,

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<v Speaker 1>Congress will cadify Row and I think if Democrats get

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<v Speaker 1>the majority, in both the Senate and the House, they'll

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<v Speaker 1>do this, and if they don't, and if they don't try,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they could pay a political price on that front.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think with so many other issues, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>abortion will come back to being an issue when the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cultural issues, and abortion is it's a healthcare issue,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also a cultural issue, and it's also you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those issues rise up when the economy is health those

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<v Speaker 1>issues get pushed down when the economy is unhealthy. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is an unhealthy economy, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>fear out there about economic well being, job displacement. So

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<v Speaker 1>while I expect abortion to be used in a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of campaigns, I don't think it's a big issue in

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<v Speaker 1>these midterms. Across the board, we're not seeing as many

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<v Speaker 1>referendums and things like that. But I think this becomes

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<v Speaker 1>an interest if Democrats win both the House and the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>How aggressive do they get at trying to codify ROW?

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<v Speaker 1>And is there a version of codifying ROW that can

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<v Speaker 1>get whatever number of Republican Senators they need. Let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>say they have a majority by two seats. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fifty two forty eight can they find eight

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans to go along with them on a version that

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<v Speaker 1>codifies Row, that says has a you know that gets

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<v Speaker 1>some Rakowskian board because she'll be there. Do you get

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<v Speaker 1>do you get something that gets a hand a handful

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<v Speaker 1>of some of these? I don't know, or do we

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<v Speaker 1>see the philibuster gone? And I think it's very possible

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<v Speaker 1>that if you have a younger set of Senate leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>we may see the legislative philibuster go. Regardless of whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's a deer or in our administration, it does feel

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<v Speaker 1>as if right the momentum Republicans had to almost get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of it, the momentum Democrats had to almost get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of it. It feels like that sooner rather than later,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have a change in the filibuster rule

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<v Speaker 1>that gives Democrats a shot and codifying Row, which is again,

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<v Speaker 1>what would I think the simplest, the most straightforward way

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<v Speaker 1>they could go codifies Row into law. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>could find eight Republican senators on that. Next question comes

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<v Speaker 1>from a mirror from Denver and he writes, hey really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the new format and especially enjoyed your two twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three episode. Your time machine. Segment of how how Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>used legal processes to consolidate power was compelling, but it

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<v Speaker 1>left me wondering how you square that with your critique

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<v Speaker 1>of Democratic legislators pushing back against red state redistricting efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>If a party sees authoritarianism coming, is it wrong to

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<v Speaker 1>use every tool available, even if it bends norms, to

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<v Speaker 1>try to stop it. How should we think about the

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<v Speaker 1>leaders today who use power aggressively to prevent something worse

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<v Speaker 1>down the line? Best a mirror from Denver. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been thinking about this a lot. I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>vote in this election in April. They're trying to redo

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<v Speaker 1>the constitution here in Virginia to allow them to re

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<v Speaker 1>redistrict in the middle and not use the fair district

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<v Speaker 1>the fair district parameters that were passed into the state's constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I thought i'd use this. I've actually

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<v Speaker 1>been This is something I meant to say earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast, and this is actually a good way for

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<v Speaker 1>me to bring them to close the podcast with it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do think I want to talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>so called save Election Bill that Republicans are trying to pass.

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<v Speaker 1>As I've said to you before, it is an unseerious

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<v Speaker 1>attempt at election reform, a serious If Republicans cared just

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<v Speaker 1>about voter ID, they could get voter ID passed if

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<v Speaker 1>they just made it standalone. Voter I D not voter

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<v Speaker 1>ID that says every married woman has to get their

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<v Speaker 1>name changed in order for their voter registration roles to match.

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<v Speaker 1>Right where you have to go back to the DMV

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<v Speaker 1>and all I mean, the ridiculous parts of the bill

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<v Speaker 1>that some are pushing with birth certificates and citizenship checks

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<v Speaker 1>and all of this nonsense, you know, is not a

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<v Speaker 1>serious It shows you that this is not a serious issue.

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<v Speaker 1>That if anything, my great fear is that Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>he is advocating for an unrealistic election bill, which he

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<v Speaker 1>himself has said if they pass it, Democrats will never

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<v Speaker 1>he hopes it means Democrats will never win an election

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<v Speaker 1>for another fifty years, which you know, kind of says

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<v Speaker 1>the quiet part out loud, right. They think they've not

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<v Speaker 1>put together a bill that makes elections fair for the country.

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<v Speaker 1>That they're trying to put together a bill that they think,

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<v Speaker 1>in their minds creates an uneven playing field advantage to

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans. Now, the irony to This is one I

1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:27.000
<v Speaker 1>do think if they passed this restrictive measures, Democrats would

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<v Speaker 1>more likely follow get all the get all their paperwork

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<v Speaker 1>in order before a lot of Trump's voters would On

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<v Speaker 1>this front, We've seen this, right, Democrats pay more attention

1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:40.400
<v Speaker 1>to win special elections are these days and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, when you look at sort of conforming

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<v Speaker 1>to the rules and all that, I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>irony is if the save AC passed, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>would hurt Republican turnout more than it would hurt Democratic turnout.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, in the same way that Democrats weren't

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<v Speaker 1>serious about their election reform bill at HR because they

1:13:00.720 --> 1:13:04.280
<v Speaker 1>threw in stuff like publicly funding congressional elections and some

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<v Speaker 1>things that just don't have majority support in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone majority support in the Senate. You know, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a messaging bill, right it was. They wanted a

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<v Speaker 1>talking point. And it's clear Republicans, this is a messaging bill.

1:13:18.000 --> 1:13:20.760
<v Speaker 1>He wants a talking point. And I fear what Trump

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<v Speaker 1>really wants is a rationale not to accept the results

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<v Speaker 1>of the midterms. Even when I say not accept the

1:13:28.000 --> 1:13:30.559
<v Speaker 1>results of the midterms, there's nothing he can do to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent the swearing in of the new Congress. And there

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<v Speaker 1>is one scenario I fear that a Speaker of the

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<v Speaker 1>House couldn't outgoings speak of their house, could insert themselves

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<v Speaker 1>in a situation, but only if the House majorities were

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<v Speaker 1>really narrow I doubt. I think if Democrats right now,

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<v Speaker 1>if the election were held today, they'd win the House

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<v Speaker 1>by a big enough margin that Mike Johnson couldn't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything to mess with it. But if Donald Trump wants

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<v Speaker 1>to soothe himself by maybe he'll blame his own party

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<v Speaker 1>for not passing the bill and say, you know, and

1:14:04.600 --> 1:14:09.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, everything is usually about deflecting blame for himself,

1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:14.479
<v Speaker 1>So I think he sees this save act as a

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<v Speaker 1>way to have a built in excuse for why his

1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:21.920
<v Speaker 1>party's not going to do well in the midterms, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do think he may use it as a way

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<v Speaker 1>not to accept the results in his own mind. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't going to stop people from getting sworn in. It

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<v Speaker 1>isn't going to stop Democrats if they end up winning

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<v Speaker 1>control the House in the Senate, from getting control the

1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:38.240
<v Speaker 1>House in the Senate. But as we know, it's important

1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:41.800
<v Speaker 1>to him for him to create a fantasy world. You know,

1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:44.479
<v Speaker 1>this fantasy world that he is, that he won somehow

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty because he doesn't want to count mail

1:14:47.479 --> 1:14:50.519
<v Speaker 1>in ballots during a pandemic, and that he you know,

1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:54.000
<v Speaker 1>so he likes to build these mythologies in order for

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<v Speaker 1>him to Maybe it's a self soothing mechanism. Maybe this

1:14:57.520 --> 1:14:59.800
<v Speaker 1>is what he does instead of therapy. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what goes inside his head, but he can never He

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<v Speaker 1>is so obsessed with this idea never admit defeat and

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<v Speaker 1>never admit you've lost, and never admit you've made a mistake,

1:15:09.000 --> 1:15:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and never apologize, all of that sort of dumb advice

1:15:14.240 --> 1:15:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that salespeople used to get back in the fifties. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>These are like, you know, never take no for an

1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:24.000
<v Speaker 1>answer type of mindset. And that's fine if you're trying

1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:29.479
<v Speaker 1>to sell property. It becomes gas lighting when you're trying

1:15:29.520 --> 1:15:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to sell it politically on this front. Now, as for

1:15:36.040 --> 1:15:40.960
<v Speaker 1>your specific question about the Democrats, here's this look. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think this re redistricting decision by the Democrats fight

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<v Speaker 1>fire with fire. It's going to help them in the

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<v Speaker 1>short term, but I don't think they ever would have

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<v Speaker 1>needed it. They could have kept their high ground and

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<v Speaker 1>probably still won't control of the House. They could have

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<v Speaker 1>kept their high ground and probably still watched Texas do

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<v Speaker 1>a dummy mander. But now Democrats have given up whatever

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<v Speaker 1>reform credentials they had been developing over the last fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years by being the party in favor of quote fair districts.

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<v Speaker 1>They're no longer a party that's in favor of this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't accept the premise of what when you

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<v Speaker 1>have to suspend a constitutional rule in order to do

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<v Speaker 1>that is a slippery slope. And that's the issue I

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<v Speaker 1>have with this. It's a slippery slope. But let me

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<v Speaker 1>make another point. Fair districts means you have the opera.

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<v Speaker 1>You will see a different type of person elected. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's center right might win in a closely contested

1:16:37.120 --> 1:16:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Republican leaning seat, and maybe that member of Congress is

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<v Speaker 1>a Don Bacon type and stands up to the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>Party in a moment that it's necessary to have bipartisan pushback.

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<v Speaker 1>And now what you're going to do is you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to create a situation where the only Republicans that get

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<v Speaker 1>elected in Virginia are going to be somebody who's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>out of the mainstream. And you know, I fear what

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<v Speaker 1>we're happening here is across the board, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get fewer sort of incrementalists, you know, the pragmatists in Congress,

1:17:12.760 --> 1:17:16.519
<v Speaker 1>and more ideologues. So I don't think it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point of fair districts is to try to

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<v Speaker 1>have districts that are more representative of the larger pragmatic

1:17:24.280 --> 1:17:31.439
<v Speaker 1>majority that is in America. And so I can't I

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<v Speaker 1>understand the reaction. I understand, and if you're a hardcore partisan,

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<v Speaker 1>then yes, this feels like the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But this feels like the law of undertended consequences is

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<v Speaker 1>going to bite the party in the ass here on this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they are going to regret losing the

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<v Speaker 1>high ground on the reform issue. This is why I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think very highly of these independent candidacies in

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<v Speaker 1>Nebraska and Montana, the new one in California with Kevin Kyleie,

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<v Speaker 1>a former Republican congressman, dropping the party label. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I think all you're doing is giving more credibility to

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<v Speaker 1>those that rip on both parties. Democrats had higher ground

1:18:17.000 --> 1:18:21.240
<v Speaker 1>on the reform issue when it came to elections. Doing

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<v Speaker 1>all of this fighting fire with fire just partisanizes it all.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you know this idea that, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>temporary and we'll come back and do it. Well, politicians

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the trust of the public. And how often

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<v Speaker 1>do they come back and do something. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>they won't. I'm no, you know, but I have to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you recent history tells me that once parties see

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<v Speaker 1>no penalty for giving up something, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>somehow voluntarily. Right. Do we really think Virginia Democrats, if

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<v Speaker 1>they have a nine to two or ten to one advantage,

1:19:00.080 --> 1:19:03.880
<v Speaker 1>are going to want to voluntarily give back that advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>Prove me wrong. I hope to be proven wrong. I'll

1:19:11.640 --> 1:19:15.080
<v Speaker 1>eat whatever crow a Democrat wants to feed me on this.

1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:19.599
<v Speaker 1>But I think that I just I don't. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is a huge mistake, and I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>why there's so much energy with more and more voters

1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:31.120
<v Speaker 1>looking for an alternative to both parties these days, and

1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:34.160
<v Speaker 1>in this case, this is Democrats help accelerate. Donald Trump

1:19:34.240 --> 1:19:38.880
<v Speaker 1>has been an accelerant on the right, fighting this fighting

1:19:38.920 --> 1:19:42.920
<v Speaker 1>fire with fire business might end up being an unintended

1:19:42.960 --> 1:19:48.200
<v Speaker 1>consequence accelerant of this movement of center left voters as well.

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<v Speaker 1>All right with that, but I'd love to I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest, I'm closing being shell shocked by the

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<v Speaker 1>Bam out of Bio eighty three point. Of all all

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA players, where would Bam out of Bio have

1:20:06.920 --> 1:20:11.880
<v Speaker 1>been on your list of NBA players most likely to

1:20:12.040 --> 1:20:15.640
<v Speaker 1>score more points in a game than Kobe Bryants eighty one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we're ever going to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the damn Wilt Chamberlain one hundred moment, but tell me

1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:23.559
<v Speaker 1>there is no chance shoot Even on the Heat, Tyler

1:20:23.600 --> 1:20:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Hero would probably be considered more likely to get to

1:20:27.040 --> 1:20:29.960
<v Speaker 1>top eighty one points then Bam out of Baio, who,

1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:31.840
<v Speaker 1>by the way, got seven three pointers according to the

1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:35.679
<v Speaker 1>box score, but he sort of did it the Wilt

1:20:35.720 --> 1:20:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Chamberlain way, right. Sure, twenty one of his eighty three

1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:45.719
<v Speaker 1>came from the three point line, but sixty two sixty

1:20:45.800 --> 1:20:52.720
<v Speaker 1>two came from two points. Now, imagine Bam out of

1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Bio next to Giannis. Sorry, you know, the Heat is

1:20:56.080 --> 1:20:58.320
<v Speaker 1>a team that I you know, I jump on the

1:20:58.320 --> 1:21:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Heat's bandwagon when they're good as a as a Miami native,

1:21:01.760 --> 1:21:04.160
<v Speaker 1>even though they really they really weren't much of a

1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:07.559
<v Speaker 1>franchise when I you know, they'd only been born about

1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a year before I graduated high school, or two years

1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:13.840
<v Speaker 1>before I graduated. But you know, I want the Heat

1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>to succeed. I love Spoe, so anyway, I'm happy for Bam,

1:21:20.720 --> 1:21:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the sneaky Heat man. They can be. They're going to

1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:28.120
<v Speaker 1>be a joyous pain in the ass to the rest

1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of the Eavestring Conference in the playoffs, and that's when

1:21:30.720 --> 1:21:33.040
<v Speaker 1>I enjoy rooting for the Heat the most. All right

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<v Speaker 1>with that, I'll see in twenty four hours. Thanks for listening.