1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Hey there, history fans. We're off this week so I 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: can catch up after the holidays. Please enjoy these flashback 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: episodes from the TDI HC Vault, and be sure to 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: meet me back here next Tuesday for a brand new episode. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 2: Hi everyone, I'm Eves and welcome to This Day in 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: History Class, a podcast where we dust off a little 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: piece of history and placed it ever so gently on 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: your brain shelf every day. The day was January fifth, 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: eighteen ninety three. Blues and folk musician Elizabeth Cotton was 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: born near Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Sources differ on her 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: year of birth, with some saying eighteen ninety two and 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: others say eighteen ninety five. Cotton was born into a 13 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: family steeped in a musical tradition. As a child, she 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: often borrowed her brother's instruments, and she taught herself to 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: play the banjo and the guitar. She was left handed, 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: so it was easier for her to hold the banjo 17 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: upside down to play it. When her brother left, Cotton 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 2: had to quit school and take jobs as a domestic worker. 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 2: By the time she was eleven or twelve years old, 20 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: she had saved up enough money to buy a Stella 21 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: demonstrator guitar for three dollars and seventy five cents. She 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 2: played the guitar upside down too, and developed a unique 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: picking style. She fretted the strings with her right hand 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: and picked with her left. By the time she was 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: a teenager, she was able to play several different songs. 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: Cotton often stayed up late at night playing the guitar, 27 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: and her mother would scold her and tell her to 28 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: stop playing. As a teen, Elizabeth married Frank Cotton. They 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: had one child together not long after, named Lily. As 30 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: Elizabeth became busy with family life, she became more involved 31 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: in her church. Leaders at her church urged her to 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: stop playing worldly music. Committed to the church and busy 33 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: at home, she put down her guitar for years. The 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: Cottons lived in New York City for a while, but 35 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: when Lilly got married and had a child, Elizabeth left 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: Frank and moved to Washington, d c. To be close 37 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: to her daughter. She cleaned and sold dolls at a 38 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: department store for a living, but one day in the 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: department store she found a lost girl named Peggy Seeger 40 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: and returned her to her mother. Ruth Crawford Seger. Elizabeth 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 2: soon began to work in the household of the Segars, 42 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: who were also a musical family. Ruth was a composer 43 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: and music teacher, and her husband, Charles, was an ethno musicologist. 44 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: Cotton would play the guitar at the Seager home, but 45 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: the family didn't find out about her musical talent until 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: a few years after she began working for them. Then, 47 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: in her sixties, Elizabeth began recording her songs. Those recorded 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: songs became the nineteen fifty eight album Folk Songs and 49 00:02:55,280 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: Instrumentals with Guitar, released on Folkway's Records. The album featured 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: Freight Train, a song that Elizabeth composed when she was 51 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 2: a child. She had her performing debut at Swarthmore College 52 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: with Mike Seeger, Ruth and Charles Son, and she continued 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: to perform solo in concert and at folk festivals. She 54 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: was on the same ticket as performers like Skip James 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: and Muddy Waters, and her music became a staple of 56 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: the folk revival of the nineteen sixties. Cotton continued playing 57 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: and touring throughout the US and Europe into the nineteen eighties. 58 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: She played her last show in New York City in 59 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, months before her death. I'm Eve Stefcote 60 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: and hopefully you know a little more about history today 61 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: than you did yesterday. You can keep up with us 62 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 2: on social media on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at TDIHC 63 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: podcast email still works. Send us a note at this 64 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: Day at iHeartMedia dot com. I hope you enjoyed today's episode. 65 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow with another one. 66 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to This Day in History Class, a 67 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: show that spits the greatest hits of history one day 68 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 1: at a time. I'm Gabe Luesier, and today we're talking 69 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: about the controversial origin of the first commercial rap recording 70 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: in music history, the iconic and lengthy rappers Delight. The 71 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: day was January fifth, nineteen eighty Rappers Delight by the 72 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: sugar Hill Gang became the first hip hop song ever 73 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: to break into the Billboard Top forty. The single landed 74 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: at number thirty seven for the week ending January fifth, 75 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: and it later creeped up a spot to number thirty six. 76 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: The song's appearance in the Top forty signaled the transition 77 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: of hip hop from a largely underground art form to 78 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: a mainstream commercial genre. It was a clear outlier among 79 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: other popular acts of the time like Kenny Rodgers, Abba 80 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: and Casey in the Sunshine Band, but many Americans were 81 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: itching to leave the disco era behind, and rappers Delight 82 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: provided the brand new sound they had been looking for. 83 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: It's unlikely that you've never heard the song before, but 84 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: just in case, it goes like this, I said it 85 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: hit Hit. 86 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: You don't stop the rocket to the band name, but 87 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: you say jump the bugger to the rhythm of. 88 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: The briga to beat. Now what you hear is not 89 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: a test. I'm rappit to the beat and me the 90 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: groove and a friends that gonna try to move your feet. 91 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: See I am one. In the nineteen seventies, hip hop 92 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: wasn't well known outside of the music scene and the 93 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: Bronx and Harlem, and even in those neighborhoods, you couldn't 94 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: walk into a record store and buy a hip hop album. 95 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: If you wanted to hear MC's rapping in DJ's scratching, 96 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: then you had to go to a club or a 97 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: house party and hear it live for yourself. At the time, 98 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: pioneering performers like DJ Grandmaster Flash, DJ Cool Heirk, and 99 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: Curtis Blow weren't recording their music. In fact, they worried 100 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: that if they did, people would lose interest in their 101 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: live shows and the little income they were earning from 102 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: their music would disappear. That may have been true if 103 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: the only audience for hip hop were the people who 104 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: lived in the neighborhoods where it was first being played, 105 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: But one New Jersey business woman believed the music could 106 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: actually have much wider appeal. Her name was Sylvia Robinson, 107 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: and in nineteen seventy nine, she experienced hip hop for 108 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: the first time, like most other people in those days, 109 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: live at a nightclub in New York City, she was 110 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: amazed by a DJ named love Ug Starsky, who was 111 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: spinning R and B records and leading the crowd through 112 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: spoken word rhymes set to the beat. She later recalled 113 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: the moment saying, quote, I saw him talking to the 114 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: kids and saw how they'd answer back. He would say 115 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: something every now and then, like throw your hands in 116 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: the air, and they'd do it. If he had said 117 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: jump in the river, they'd have done it. A spirit 118 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: said to me, put a concept like that on a record, 119 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: and it will be the biggest thing you ever had. 120 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: Sylvia had no ties to hip hop, but she did 121 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: know a lot about the music business. Throughout the nineteen seventies, 122 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: she found success as an R and B singer, both 123 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 1: in a group and as a solo act. By nineteen 124 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: seventy nine, she had made the switch to producing, and 125 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: the untapped potential of hip hop seemed like a promising 126 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: next move. Rather than approach an existing act, Sylvia decided 127 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: to put together a brand new group herself. She enlisted 128 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: her son Joey Robinson for help in finding a good MC, 129 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: and lucky for her, he knew just the guy. Joey 130 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: drove his mom to Crispy Crust Pizza in Inglewood, New 131 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: Jersey to pay a visit to one of the employees there, 132 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: a man named Henry Jackson aka Big Bank Hank. Jackson 133 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: graciously used his lunch break to audition for Sylvia, which 134 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: he did by climbing into the back seat of her 135 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: car and wrapping along to a backing track played on 136 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: a cassette deck. Joey had also scouted two other promising 137 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: local MC's, Guy O'Brien aka Master G and Mike Wright 138 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: aka Wonder Mike. They joined the impromptu audition and when 139 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: Sylvia liked what she heard. She dubbed the newly formed 140 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: trio the sugar Hill Gang after the sugar Hill area 141 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: of Harlem. All of that happened on a Friday afternoon, 142 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: and by the following Monday, the group was ready to 143 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: record their first track at a studio in Inglewood. That's 144 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: a quick turnaround for a whole new song, so the 145 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: group opted to put their own spin on an existing 146 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: rhythm track instead. Sylvia chose the hit disco song good 147 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: Times by the band Chic as the backbone of the recording. However, 148 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: since time was tight, no one reached out to the 149 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: band for permission to use the track. That decision eventually 150 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: led to a lengthy lawsuit, which was settled out of 151 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: court for an undisclosed sum. When it was time to record, 152 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: Sylvia threw on good Times and the three rappers huddled 153 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: around a mic in the cramped studio booth. Sylvia pointed 154 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: to each rapper when it was their turn at the mic, 155 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: and despite having barely rehearsed, they made it through the 156 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: epic fifteen minute track with hardly any mistakes. It was 157 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: a good thing too, because Big Bank Hank didn't have 158 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: much time to spare. He was due back at the 159 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: Crispy Crust within the hour. If you're wondering how the 160 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: fledgling group came up with fifteen minutes worth of lyrics 161 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: in less than seventy two hours, well they had some 162 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: help with that too, big Bank. Hank actually took most 163 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,239 Speaker 1: of the lyrics from his friend and fellow MC grandmaster 164 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: Kaz of the Cold Crush Brothers. Kaz later described the 165 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: interaction saying, quote, Hank asked me if he could borrow 166 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: my rhyme book, So I just threw it on the table. 167 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: I was kind of nonchalant about it. I'm not thinking 168 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: anything is going to come from it, and if it 169 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: did by happenstance, then all right, well, hey he comes 170 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: from us, so if there's any trickle down, it'll trickle 171 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: down to us. And as far as trying to protect myself, 172 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: and we didn't know about lawyers and publishing and writers 173 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: and mechanical royalties or nothing like that, we weren't part 174 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: of the music industry. In the end, Rapper's Delight did 175 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: what no one, including Kaz, had expected. It became an 176 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: international hit. And even though Kaz didn't make money from 177 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: the song or even get a writing credit. He never 178 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: sued the group. Instead, he chose to keep moving forward, 179 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: eventually signing to Tough City Records and releasing his own albums. 180 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: For hip hop purists, it's bittersweet that Rappers Delight became 181 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: most listener's introduction to hip hop. From their perspective, there 182 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: were other rappers much more deserving of the honor, ones 183 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: who wrote their own lyrics and came up with their 184 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: own beats, or at least asked permission to use somebody else's. 185 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: But there's no one element that made Rappers Delight a 186 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: great song. Instead, it's everything working together. The bassline of 187 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: Sheikh's track, the clever, unexpected rhymes of Grandmaster Kaz, and 188 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: the raw vocal stylings of three MC's who had just 189 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: met three days earlier. The beats and lyrics may have 190 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: come from other artists, but Sylvia Robinson, Big Bank, Hank 191 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: Master G and Wonder Mike put their own spin on 192 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: all of it, improvising in the studio to make the 193 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: song their own. When Rappers Delight was released in December 194 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, it was a smash hit from the start. 195 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: It shot to number four on the US Hot Soul 196 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: Singles Chart and eventually peaked at number thirty six on 197 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: the Billboard Hot one hundred. Outside the US, the track 198 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: was even more successful. It topped the charts in the Netherlands, Canada, 199 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: and Spain, and made it into the top five and 200 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: nine other countries. All told, the twelve inch single sold 201 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: over two million copies, proving that there was plenty of 202 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: interest and money in hip hop recordings. Despite the unusual 203 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: origins of Rapper's Delight, the song was a game changer 204 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: for the budding hip hop genre. The Sugar Hill Gang 205 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: never had another hit, but every rapper and group that 206 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: followed Oh is at least a small debt of thanks 207 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: to the group that paved their way, even if they'd 208 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: rather not admit it. I'm Gabe Lucier and hopefully you 209 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: now know a little more about history today than you 210 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: did yesterday. 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