1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: What's up everybody walking to Move the Sticks DJ Bucky 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 2: joined by our good friend Joel Klatt, de Voice of 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: College Football, the Voice of Fox, as he has a 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: rather big game this week. Joel Ohio State, Michigan Nobody. 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm good man, I picked a great week to come 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: on the show. But I will say I do these 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: teams so often. It's like the only two teams that 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: I could roll out of bed and just do you know, 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: someone in the middle of June's like, hey, you got 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: to call Michigan Ohio State and be like, Okay, I'm good. 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 2: Fine, yeah, But by the way, I'm curious about that, 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: you know, because I do with the Charger games, I 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: see the same team Bucky does the Jags and sees 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: the same teams. You're just preparing for that opponent every week. 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: How do you approach it when you, you know, from 17 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: a broadcasting standpoint, when you've had these teams so many times, 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: what do you look like? What are you looking to 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: get out of your meetings with coaches in a week 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: like this one? 21 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, this week, I'll just be like, how 22 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: you guys doing what's up? It's literally five minutes of 23 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: a player availability Okay, yeah, you know, it's just like 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: how are they doing health wise? Where are you guys at? 25 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: And then I'll ask a couple of of schematic specific 26 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: questions just about how they want to attack or do 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: anything like that. But no, there's none of the you know, 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: generally speaking, if you're doing a team for the first time, 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna have twenty twenty five minutes of like, all right, run, 30 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, take me through like who are the alphas 31 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: on your team and what are they like in the 32 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: locker room, and you try to get a feel for 33 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: whatever's behind the scenes. But certainly don't have to do 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: that with these teams because I've been around them so often. 35 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then speaking about this, because this is a 36 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: huge robber game. I love hearing you guys call about this. 37 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: What is the thing that you look forward to the 38 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: most when you call Michigan Ohio State. 39 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: The utter victreol that I receive online from both fan bases. 40 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: Nose you're a homework each team. 41 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I love Michigan, I love 42 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: Ohio State for each fan base. So no, but honestly, 43 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: it is understanding that these games are where legacies are made, 44 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: and we will always remember each of these games. And 45 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: you can go back, you know, years oh six and 46 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: Woodson in the late nineties, and you think of the 47 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: iconic moments really in our sports history, and they originate 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: from games like this and in a lot of cases 49 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: this game, specifically the twenty one game and the snow 50 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: with Hutchinson and a Jabo getting after the quarterback like 51 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: the these are incredible games. And then to understand the 52 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: enormity of what this rivalry means to each place, but 53 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: also in the pantheon of college football, because this game 54 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: always means something at the top end of our sport. 55 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: That's where I think it differs dramatically from other rivalries 56 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: is that this one is born out of hatred, proximity, 57 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: and meaning, which not every rivalry has all three. 58 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, and year after year after year after year, they're 59 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: right there up at the top with this being credibly 60 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: meaningful game in the conference and in the national landscape. 61 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: I was going through watching some of these top guys 62 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: as I'm starting my draft stuff, and uh, I tell 63 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: you what, man, I have not seen a better player 64 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: than our bel Reese. 65 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: Uh through that is a top three FI right there. Easy, 66 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt you. I just want to throw this 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: out because this is going to be like a grenade 68 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: you ready. 69 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 70 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: I think he could be a better version of Micah. 71 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you're going to say that. I already 72 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: you're going to. I could have written that down and 73 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: I would have said, Joel was going to say it's 74 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: a better version. 75 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Well, well you didn't and I said it first. 76 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: So there, So I'm I was looking at him when 77 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: I was thinking of that was the first That was 78 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: the first comp that came to me. And I'm like, okay, 79 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: Micah man, same conference. It hasn't been that long. Can 80 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: play off the ball, can play on the ball, explosive, violent, 81 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: all that stuff. 82 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: He's better on the ball though, Yeah, Michael Micah is 83 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: like he can be an Yes. Do you see that 84 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: play in State? It's like the first second down and 85 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: he's just like damn and just he throws the tackle 86 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: to the ground. And I'm like, oh, oh, okay. 87 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going through some of my like some of 88 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: my first notes that I wrote down. Joel violent, can jolt, 89 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: separate and close. Uh, he can roll his hips guys, 90 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: he lines that he play him in a four eye 91 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: even though he's standing up and he's fine in there. 92 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: He doesn't get moved. He just attacks blocks, thuds off blocks, 93 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: he can set the edge with one arm. He's just 94 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: everything he does is violent physical. So when I was 95 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 2: going through thinking of guys who played like that, Buck, 96 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: You'll remember this one. His guys who had some of 97 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 2: the on the ball off the ball, but then played 98 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: both fast and there was just they played with a 99 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: different strength level and a violence level. And to me, 100 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,559 Speaker 2: the Mica thing, I thought he was more. I thought 101 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: when I watched Reese he was more of a violent 102 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: football player than Mike oh Wi and so, and this 103 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: is not a perfect comparison. He's a better version of 104 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: this player. But you remember when Brian Cushing was at 105 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: USC and he looked like he was faster and just 106 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: more violent than everybody that was on the field with 107 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: how he played the game. Yeah, like he's like Jalen 108 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: Walker and Brian Kushing like kind of like kind of 109 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: like together. 110 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's a good one. I even 111 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: I didn't go back that far. I'm not old like you, 112 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: so I didn't go all the way back to Cushion. 113 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: I just did the two Penn State guys that we've seen. 114 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: He's the best. He's the best version of Abdul and 115 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: Micah put together, because he's got the off the ball 116 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: traits of Micah and he's got the on the ball 117 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: trade of abduall Carter to get off the speed and 118 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: yet he plays gap integrity much more violently and sound 119 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: than Abdul did on the line of scrimmage. So depending 120 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: on need, which you know, the first pick is always 121 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: a need based pick, and see who trades. I think 122 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: he's going to be the first I just call it 123 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: a position player non quarterback taken in the draft. 124 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I would I would definitely stamp that statement. 125 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: Buck. So so think of this too, uh, just to 126 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: like because now you've watched and I know you watch 127 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: more specific than one individual, But Buck, think about this 128 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: like you know, all of us who have been around 129 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: this sport for a long time. I think I think 130 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: that we all appreciate defenses that are built front to 131 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: back and inside out. And you've got to be good 132 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: right down the middle. I know that was a big 133 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: Baltimore thing. Be good right down the middle, you know, 134 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: hard edges, those types of things. Ohio State has four 135 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: first round draft picks right down the middle of their defense. Yes, 136 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: that's I mean, I can't remember in one draft like 137 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: that's going to happen this spring and I can't remember. 138 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: You guys would have to help me if there's a 139 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: defense like that. Maybe twenty one Georgia was similar to that. 140 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: That's the first place by the downs, you got downs 141 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: at safety? Who's the first rounder? All day long? You 142 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: know the comps are going to be Paulamalu, and you 143 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: know these these versatile players that can play on all 144 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: three levels. You've got rvel Reese off the ball, on 145 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: the ball, linebacker Sonny Styles, who's going to be a 146 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: first round pick. He's if he wasn't playing next to 147 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: rvel Reese, we'd all be salivating about Sonny Styles. And 148 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: then Caden McDonald on the interior has played insanely good football. 149 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: And I think that the switch from Jim Nole's defense 150 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: to Matt Patricia's defense has meant the most to Caden 151 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: McDonald because Matt walked into that room and he looked 152 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: at Caden, and he watched the film and with a 153 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: clean State slate, he said, Okay, I can run what 154 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: I did at New England because I've got my Ted 155 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Washington Vince wolfork style player that can line up in 156 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: a zero and really impact the center because Matt as 157 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, they want to affect the center and the 158 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: quarterback on every single snap. And Cayden McDonald does that. 159 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: And so that switch into what I think is a 160 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: really it's an NFL front that plays a lot of 161 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: odd front, a lot of Baar defense, and Caden McDonald 162 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: is going to be a first round pick as well. 163 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: I found the answer, Joel. I feel this is what 164 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: you can see. I want to give you one thing 165 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: for the broadcast. I just want to contribute one thing. 166 00:07:59,200 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: What is it? 167 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: And I don't and you know me, I don't ask 168 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: for attribution. I want you to take it and run 169 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: with it. So I was just going back through. I 170 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: was going back through. So you go to uh it 171 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: is twenty eighteen in the first round Alabama, Mika Fitzpatrick, 172 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 2: Deron Payne, Rashawn Evans. 173 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: Ooh, they had three. 174 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: They had three of them. That's the best one that 175 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: I could find, like going through looking at this team's 176 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: gonna have four. They're gonna have four so that, Yeah, 177 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: there's a lot. Alabama's had three a bunch, but I 178 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: think I can't find one with four. But I mean, 179 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: that's that's pretty good. I mean that I literally went 180 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: to Georgia, now Georgia and Alabama the two. I didn't 181 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: go through that twenty one Georgia team, but that would 182 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: be the other one I would look up for you. 183 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: But like that Alabama group, that was when. 184 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if they were building right up the thousands 185 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: of Miami early two Miami. 186 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: And Red DJ Williams, Jonathan fill Yeah, that's all I 187 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: can think about. 188 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: The only other teams that I can think with the 189 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: Miami teams in their heyday the early two thousand when 190 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: we just started scouting in those things. Joey, you talked 191 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: about non position players at the top of the board. 192 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: But you know, man, I draft coverage is going to 193 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 3: send around the quarterbacks and whoever he emerges, whoever we 194 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: say so Anyana kid and those you have Alabama Simpson, 195 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: just tell me what you've seen the quarterback landscape. 196 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: I love that each of them have played themselves into 197 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: this position and it hasn't just been like, oh we 198 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: think that this good because we thought coming into the 199 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: year like club Nick and Nussmeyer and maybe even Arch 200 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: and there was a lot of names being thrown out 201 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: back even before last year, and maybe he would become healthy. 202 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: And these two guys have played themselves into this position. 203 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: So that's what I like the most. Then if you 204 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: just evaluate them, there's two things that I have a 205 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: really hard time with, and guys, I'm going to try 206 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: to get over it, because when I get hung up 207 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: on a trait or something along along those lines, I've 208 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: been burned, like Herbert burned me, Alan burned me because 209 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: I was hung up on these little things that I 210 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: didn't like about, whether it was their you know, completion 211 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: percentage or something along those lines. Right, So ty Simpson's 212 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: not huge, and so his stature gives me a bit 213 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: of a hang up, and his experience or lack thereof, 214 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: gives me a bit of a hang up. Because the 215 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: more that I do this, and the more that we 216 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: see guys winning in the NFL, and the more that 217 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: we see guys win Super Bowls in the NFL, they 218 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: all have really long college football careers. And Simpson doesn't 219 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: have a ton of starts. And you know, when you 220 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: look at it's a much more. You're much more likely 221 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: to have a rough time in the NFL if you've 222 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: got fewer than twenty starts in college and the guys 223 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: that excel. Everybody that's won a Super Bowl since Brady 224 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: won his first had thirty or more starts close to it. 225 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: Brady's hadling the fewest at twenty seven, Aaron Rodgers at 226 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: like twenty seven, everybody else thirty plus. You look at 227 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: who's excelling right now. Nicks is excelling right now. He 228 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: had he had just short of a million starts in 229 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: college football, just short. So that experience factor in Mendoza 230 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: has that now. 231 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: Now. 232 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: Mendoza is a very specific offense with a lot of RPOs, 233 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: but he makes really great throws. That series against Penn State, 234 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: the two minute series against Penn State, scouts will fall 235 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: in love with that. Gets sacked on first down, way 236 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: behind the chains, and they go four verts right down 237 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: the field and he gets three different guys completions. Noah 238 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: Kowski the tight end, He's got Cooper down the scene. 239 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: Then he goes to the back shoulder on Becker on 240 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: the sideline. Like those three throws, some offensive coordinator is 241 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: going to be like, give me that guy. So sitting 242 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: here now, I think Mendoza for me would be the 243 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: guy that I would lean into. But I don't want 244 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: to disparage a guy like Ty Simpson who makes bigger 245 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: throws more often than Mendoza does. 246 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: I would also say, to your point about that number 247 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: of starts, if you go back to the Aaron Rodgers 248 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: Tom Brady years, Look, they didn't play so many games, 249 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 2: you didn't have the playoff, you didn't have with all 250 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: these conference championship games. So these guys now include Rogers 251 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: junior college starts. Yeah, exactly. So that's what I'm kind 252 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: of getting at. Is twenty seven back then is almost 253 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 2: probably more like mid to high thirties now, because that 254 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: was as much experience as you could get. Now there's 255 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: a little more runway to get some more games played 256 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: in there. By the way, I'm just trying to do 257 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: you buy that. I would love if both of you yeah, 258 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: heck yeah, you guys. To me, it's real, yes, And 259 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: now that they can pay, now that colleges can pay, 260 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: I think some of these kids are nuts to go 261 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 2: inexperienced into the NFL. You're you're to me, you're stepping 262 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: over a dollar to pick up a quarter, like just 263 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: stay making. Okay, you might not get the NFL money 264 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: right now, but you're going to have a longer career, 265 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: you have more successful career. You're going to make all 266 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: your money on those second and third deals and the 267 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: colleges can pay you. 268 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: Now. 269 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 2: It's like it's this or nothing. Like you're going to 270 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: make good, solid money in college, which is going to 271 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 2: benefit you, you know, going forward. I think that's a 272 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: it's a huge, huge part of it, and you're not 273 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: going to be afforded the time. We're already seen with 274 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarthy with Minnesota, it's like, oh gosh, 275 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 2: he's starting crazy. 276 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: What are we doing. 277 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: They're making these determinations on these guys faster and faster 278 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: because it's not as much of a financial commitment as 279 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: it used to be in the old CBA, so teams 280 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: can flip the page on you sooner. So know one 281 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: that I'm not going to get as much of a 282 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: chance once I get to the NFL. I want to 283 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 2: arrive as already made, you know, fully functioning player and 284 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: not count on the NFL to develop me. 285 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: Fuck you know, when you sit with Mendoza, he'll say 286 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: one syllable and you'll be like, oh, this is Kirk Cousins. 287 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: Oh he's got that like football nerd maturity about him, 288 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: Like that's that's who he is. 289 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've seen interviews with him. I've seen him talk. 290 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: I've seen him just elaborate and be very exhausted with 291 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: his explanation on plays, which is what you want premier 292 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: quarterback because as he has to relay all the information 293 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: to the team and you wanted to know it from 294 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: was in backwards all of that stuff. Give me somebody 295 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: else that you're surprised by, Like, as you're looking at 296 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 3: the college landscape, another guy that we need. 297 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: To quarterback quarterback wise and you can go anywhere with 298 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: a be. 299 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, that's a good one. Let me go to 300 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: Indiana Elijah sarrat the wide receiver, big frame and I 301 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: get Nakula vibes from Elijah sarrat where And forgive me 302 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: for not knowing this at the top of my head. 303 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: I don't think Nicole was a great tester. Am I 304 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: right in that he was remember. 305 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: If he ran, because yeah, he was hurt, I think 306 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: going through that process. 307 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: So I don't know if Surrat would be a blazing tester, 308 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: but man, like you turn on the film and this 309 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: guy is a contested catch master. So he wins through contact. 310 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: And as you know, at the NFL level, like you're 311 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: not going to be afforded space, so you better be 312 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: able to win in a contested area, in particular when 313 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: you get late in the season and into the playoffs. 314 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: And he does that. He's a master at the back shoulder. 315 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: He's a really smart player. He's got great hands. So 316 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: Elijah Surratt is a guy that I really like. Another 317 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: one would be Man, I've given a lot of skill, 318 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: got Makayle Lemon at USC He's got JSN vibes written 319 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: all over. He's he's kind of a JSN style player. Yeah, 320 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: those would be the two guys off the top. 321 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: Of my head. Uh, those are good ones. Makaile Lemon 322 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: play strength, and we had talked about that, Joel many 323 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: many years ago, you know, going back talking about play 324 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: strength and guys who can be grounded to the catching, 325 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: guys who can win in crowds, because you're not going 326 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: to have I mean, I don't care how athletic and 327 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: explosive you are, you just not gonna be able to 328 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: get that same separation at the professional level that you 329 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: get in college, So you better be strong at the 330 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: catch point. I want to how about how about the 331 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: year jsn is had. It's gonna have to unbelievy throwing 332 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: the balls. Shone it pretty good too, though some people 333 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: don't want to hear that. We'll see if you can 334 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: play well the pressures on. Well, yeah, we'll see. I 335 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: guess we'll get there. I mean he's done pretty well 336 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: so far. 337 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: He's like bow Knicks bo Knicks has like struggled and 338 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: normal downs and then it's when he needs to be 339 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: great and crucial situations, he's been great. And like that's 340 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: the opposite. 341 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: Of Donald Well. I mean, that's hit. He got hit 342 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: fifty times in that game against the Rams last year 343 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: with no tackles. But that's neither here nor there. I mean, 344 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: he had sixteen weeks let's use Let's go to the 345 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: two thousand and four Miami Hurricanes. Sean Taylor at safety 346 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: was a first round pick. Johnathan Gilma was a first 347 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: round pick at linebacker. 348 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: D J. 349 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: Williams was a first round picket linebacker, and a guy 350 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: by the name of Vince will Fork was a first 351 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: round pick. 352 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: And that was all that that that was that year, 353 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: not just eventual for it was that's that sprintscifect. Right 354 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: there we go. Yeah, I'm stealing that. That's getting in 355 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: the broadcast this this week. 356 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Lucky has coming up with Miami. There by the way, 357 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: I want to get on two more players from this game, 358 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: this Michigan Ohio State game. And apologies to Michigan because 359 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: I've just done more of these Ohio State guys so far. 360 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 2: Caleb Downs, Like, I was trying to think of the 361 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: best way to describe him, and I'm going back through 362 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: my notes and I'm like, this guy is sound and 363 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: discipline for safeties, which can be a flash position like 364 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: you want to see the big splash hits in the 365 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: one hand interceptions like yeah, he can give you some 366 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: of that. But to me watching him and appreciating him 367 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: over games is just the fact that this guy is 368 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: a firm tackler. Every he takes proper angles. Everything he 369 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: does is sound and discipline and smart. And I go 370 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: back to Bill Belichick saying way back in the day, 371 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: you can't win with dumb safeties. I've never heard this 372 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: guy talk. I've never asked anybody, but I guarantee this 373 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: guy's smart because he plays. 374 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: Smart, super smart, smartest defender I've ever been around covering 375 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: college football. Just my conversations with him are the same 376 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: conversations I have with coaches. Like he understands the game 377 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: as well as anybody, and he's a sponge. And he 378 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: will tell you that Matt Patricia has been incredible for 379 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: him because Matt will just sit there and teach and 380 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: they'll watch NFL tape and they'll do all sorts of things. 381 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: So Caleb's one of these rare players like an Ed 382 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: Reed or a Paula Malu that you can give him 383 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: things that are outside of the schematics of what you're 384 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: running and he can execute them. So for an example, 385 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: like they'll give him like hey, in this set, like 386 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: if they're FSL and you get a motion. Now, this 387 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: is like game game specific, So this is I'm not 388 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: giving any you know, tips to be talking about from Michigan. 389 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: So this is just an example. But for instance, against 390 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: Penn State, they brought a backup quarterback in that was 391 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: probably a wildcat guy. So that's indicator number one. They 392 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: go FSL and then they motion into the core from 393 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: the boundary two three tells for run play right. In particular, 394 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: they're split zone with a little bit of a re 395 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: and so downs outside of the structure of the defense, 396 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: just runs down and blitzes off the edge because it's like, oh, 397 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: I've got this green light, and Matt gives him the 398 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: green light. There's no other rotation, there's there's nothing out. 399 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: Caleb has just afforded that leeway an agency by his 400 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: coordinator because he understands it and he trusts it, and 401 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: he makes a tackle for loss on the play and 402 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: you look at it and you're like, oh, man, well, 403 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: you know it's great blitz by Matt Patricia. No, No, 404 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: that's films study on Tuesday night and Wednesday night. And 405 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: a green light given to a safety similar to a 406 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: green light that would be given to a quarterback. You know, 407 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: if you see this, look check into this play and 408 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: get us into That's what Caleb does for them on defense. 409 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: And then his versatility, we call him the Swiss Army Knife. 410 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: He covers well, he can play in the deep middle. 411 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden he's in like a rover 412 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: position they call it tricky, where he's lined up at 413 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: eight yards in the middle the defense and he's the 414 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: a gap defender, which is wild as a safety, and 415 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: he makes the play at one or two yards. He 416 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: can play on the edge, he can let's he covers 417 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: in man. He returned to punt last year for a touchdown. 418 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: Exceptional football player high IQ, great person, cares wants to 419 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: be great. I mean he's he's a no brainer. He's 420 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: the he's along with your quarterback, the face of your 421 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: franchise almost immediately when you draft him. 422 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: One more player, Buck, then I'll let you finish up 423 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: here with Joel. But last one, I want to hit 424 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: you on because I love getting these backstories on these 425 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 2: guys that have had a chance to watch. I know 426 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about Jeremi Smith all year next year. 427 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 2: And great great player Carnel Tait is not a good robin. 428 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: He is another batman. When you watch him out there, 429 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: he is a number one. And I'm telling you, like 430 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 2: he has got a bounding running style and he gains 431 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: ground as well as any receiver that I've seen a while. Like, 432 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: he covers ground, he tracks the ball incredibly well. He 433 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: is a darn good player. Man. He's he might be 434 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: a better deep ball catcher than Jeremiah background Man. He 435 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 2: tracks it so pure he is. 436 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: He's an incredible player, overcome a lot in his life, 437 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: which I think leads to the type of man he 438 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: is and the player he is. A couple of things. 439 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: Number one is I don't think that we can discount 440 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: the fact that it comes from this program. Every receiver 441 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: that leaves this program is ready for the NFL period. 442 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: Look at a Mecca this year, look at JSN, look 443 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: at Garrett Wilson, look at Marvin Like every guy a lave. 444 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: Brian Hartline is the best wide receiver coach in America, 445 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: and if you come out of his tree, you will 446 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: have been coached really hard. You will understand how to 447 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: play the position, you will understand defense. And Carnell is 448 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: one of those guys. I think he's a first round 449 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: draft pick and I would agree with you. You put him 450 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: on any other team in America where like the freak 451 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: Show is not on the other side, and and he's 452 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: the best player on the field, so I would agree 453 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: with that. And then his story, guys, right when he 454 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: got to Ohio State as a true freshman, right before 455 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: his first fall camp, his mom was tragically gunned down 456 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: in the South side of Chicago, and he lost his 457 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: and he lost his mom, and Ryan talks about one 458 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: how devastating that moment is, obviously, but also the purpose 459 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: that that gave him and and the level of attack 460 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: that he then put into his craft after that. Incredible story. 461 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: An incredible human and a really really good player. 462 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: Wow. 463 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 3: All right, So since I had the last one, I've 464 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 3: been reeling because my alma mater in North Carolina has 465 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: and I've been doing well with the Bill Belichick. 466 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: So I just I mean, like I knew that out. 467 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: I knew it was North Carolina with you man. 468 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: Not at all, Joe, did you know there's an adult 469 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: adult cheerleading leadis? Did you know this? 470 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 3: But but I'm actually I'm actually not going to ask 471 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 3: the Carolina question. I feel that you're having to bear 472 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: a lot of the heat because people have these expectations 473 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 3: of Colorado now that Dean is there. Just give me 474 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: your take on the state of Colorado's program being in 475 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 3: a lump. 476 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: And knowing what it was before he got there and 477 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: what's been like since. 478 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, fans lose perspective really fast, 479 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: really fast, and I understand that, but Colorado is in 480 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: a far better position than what they were in before 481 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,959 Speaker 1: Dion got there. And here's what's happened this year is 482 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: they missed on some recruits and didn't develop on the 483 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: offensive line as well as they should have. That's their issue. 484 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: They needed to make a change at offensive coordinator last year, 485 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: didn't and brought in what I think is a poor 486 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: scheme into this year that didn't help the young players 487 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: that they have had. And then they partly missed one 488 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: on scheme and on transfer quarterback with Caden Salters, which 489 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: didn't necessarily pan out. They lose elite level players and 490 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter more specifically, and Jimmy Horn 491 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: on the outside which they were able to just throw 492 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: the football around. And they won a lot of close 493 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: games last year. Well, the margin in college football has 494 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: never been closer, and in particular in the Big Twelve. 495 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: This is a really balanced league. They got a little 496 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: bit worse and have lost those close games. You can 497 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: point to several games. They were right there for Georgia 498 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: Tech at the end and lost that game. They were 499 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: right there at TCU lost the game of poor turnover, 500 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: and a couple of others. So you know these people 501 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: that are like, oh, this is a disaster, No, it's 502 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: not a disaster. This is college football at a program 503 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: black Colorado. If you miss on a couple of players, 504 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: you're going to fall on the opposite side of that 505 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: small margin. And that's where they're at. And what they 506 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: need to do to get back is they need to 507 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: hire a really good offensive coordinator, develop better on the 508 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: offensive line, and then have us system offensively that really 509 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: fits this young quarterback moving forward, Juju Lewis, who's not 510 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: going to play this week. They're going to protect his 511 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: red shirt. But yeah, I do think it's like the 512 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: narrative out there. People are like, oh, man, you know, 513 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: like that's that's really terrible. No, it's not. It's college football, guys. 514 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: The margins are really thin and right now in college football, 515 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: the parody has never been greater in our sport, top 516 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: to bottom. So that's really what's gone on in Colorado. 517 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, that program was dead on the table when Dion 518 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 2: got there, as you know, so people forget where that 519 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 2: thing was before he arrived and had a little blip 520 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 2: this year. They'll get back on track next year. Joe, 521 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: I don't know why you did it, man, You have 522 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: no business doing this show this week with all that 523 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: you got going on, But we do appreciate you guys. 524 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: Don't want to get into lane. 525 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: Every other show that I do, we talk about lank. 526 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: We're not. We're not every other show man like We're 527 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: a little deeper. 528 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: So I love you guys. You guys are the best. 529 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: You guys are shuld you, buddy, have a great call. 530 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: All of a miracle will be watching, not just us. 531 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: We look forward to your call, man and sate your friendship. Buddy, 532 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: same same. Thankful for you guys on this Thanksgiving week. 533 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: I hope your listeners have a wonderful Thanksgiving. And I 534 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: cannot wait for this game. By the way, thirty degrees, 535 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: snow flurries. Oh, let's go. 536 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: It's the only game, the only day of the year 537 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: that I'm fine being cold. 538 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: That let's go. Man, cannot wait. Have a great call, dude. 539 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Bud, Thank you, see you guys. The great 540 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 2: Joel Clap there he goes Buck love him giving us 541 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 2: a little time. Literally the busiest week. He's probably the 542 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 2: most request yest this week because of that game. He's 543 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 2: going to be calling it. I love it. By the way, 544 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: I have no dog in the fight. I really do 545 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 2: not care who wins. But I hope, I hope we 546 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: get a slug fest. That's what I'll look. 547 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about all of the pressure that Ohio 548 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 3: State walks into this contest with, considering the streak that 549 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 3: Michigan has been on, how Michigan feels about Ohio State 550 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,959 Speaker 3: in terms of feeling like they kind of have some 551 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: ownership over them. Yeah, it's gonna be a few little 552 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: bites and scuffles and discummacies and all that. 553 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: But she put him in the tunnel at the same 554 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: time would be my But I mean it should be 555 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: a little combative. This what we've seen for ship long, 556 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: a little chippy when I was there. I went there 557 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: once time and they literally fought and preagam. I'm like, 558 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: what is going? Oh, like I thought it was. I 559 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 2: thought it was a. 560 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 3: Robbery, like those fake robberies where and I was like, oh, 561 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: they really they really do not like each other, Like 562 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 3: this is really. 563 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 2: My dad's from Ohio, so he he is all he 564 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 2: is a Buckeye fan, so he is he's locked in 565 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: on this week. I think they want this more than 566 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 2: they want a national championship. It's crazy, but I think 567 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 2: it's legit. Yeah, but Anyways, we'll see what happens all right. 568 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys hanging with us. Hope you guys 569 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: have a wonderful weekend. We'll be back on Monday with 570 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: Brian Baldinger as we look back at an incredible weekend 571 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: of football. Have a wonderful, wonderful time with your family. 572 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time right here on with the sticks.