Speaker 1: On the beck Dol Cast, the questions asked if movies
Speaker 1: have women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends
Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
Speaker 1: in best start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hi,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante,
Speaker 1: my name is Jamie Laftas, and we are the hosts
Speaker 1: of the Bechtel Cast. Yeah, okay, okay, bye. No. I
Speaker 1: am excited for today. It's just I'm still getting used
Speaker 1: to us being in a different space. I think that's
Speaker 1: part of what it is. Right, We're in transition, right now,
Speaker 1: We're in transition. It's like it's just the thing is,
Speaker 1: we're in a space that I would argue is far
Speaker 1: less oppressive and well ventilated, and but it's somehow making
Speaker 1: me nervous. I like being here because my good friend
Speaker 1: Sammy is recording for us today. Yes, Hi, Hi, Fammy,
Speaker 1: say so. The Bechtel Cast is inspired by the Bechdel Test,
Speaker 1: and it requires that a move. We has two female
Speaker 1: characters who have names, who speak to each other and
Speaker 1: cannot be talking about a man. Right. Not only do
Speaker 1: we talk about whether or not a movie passes the
Speaker 1: backdel test. We also talk about all kinds of ship
Speaker 1: regarding the portrayal of women in movies. We use it
Speaker 1: as a yardstick to begin a larger I feel like
Speaker 1: we're both were in a new space. We were sitting
Speaker 1: like kind of well, let's introduce our guests. I feel
Speaker 1: like that will really, you know, equalize things. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: He okay, he has a real intro too, But we
Speaker 1: need to say our guests did bring everyone but himself
Speaker 1: micsard lamon, which is truly the most generousing anyone can do.
Speaker 1: I have yet to open mind, So just give me one.
Speaker 1: Can you bring the hits up listeners live for the hiss.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I get emails every day about the
Speaker 1: hiss of the Mike's hard and it's stop. It's nice
Speaker 1: and we like it. I mean, thank you anyway. Our
Speaker 1: guest um he is a very funny fellow and he
Speaker 1: is the author of How to Fight Presidents. Dan O'Brien, Hi,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1: I really hope I'm not like the weird element that
Speaker 1: changes your energy. No, it's for sure our fault. We
Speaker 1: shouldn't be blaming ourselves so much though we're strong, smart women.
Speaker 1: This is something I come up against again and again
Speaker 1: where it's just like, Okay, I can be a feminist
Speaker 1: and also I hate myself as an individual. And it's
Speaker 1: confusing sometimes because you're like, do I hate women? No,
Speaker 1: I just hate me and that's okay, Jamie, I want
Speaker 1: you to love yourself. Well that's like a whole other podcast.
Speaker 1: Sorry anyway, So, Dan, you brought us the movie Mulin
Speaker 1: Rouge I did. Yeah, I'm so I didn't tell us.
Speaker 1: So what's your history with this movie? Is there any
Speaker 1: particular reason you chose this one? I knew I wanted
Speaker 1: something musical because I'm a music theater kid, uh and
Speaker 1: just wanted to play in that world. And like, it's
Speaker 1: really hard to find a group of people that are
Speaker 1: willing to talk to me about musicals. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I've been waiting. So wait, what kind of musical? Like
Speaker 1: high school? Or did you did you bring it into college?
Speaker 1: Did you bring it after college? Because that's a move. Oh,
Speaker 1: it started way early. I started from Jersey originally, and
Speaker 1: we went to I saw my first Broadway show probably
Speaker 1: when I was in sixth grade, and then I started
Speaker 1: doing local community theater immediately thereafter, and then was like
Speaker 1: fully identified as musical theater kid in high school and
Speaker 1: that was that was my So you'll be prepared to
Speaker 1: burst out into song with us. Oh definitely during this
Speaker 1: episode at anytime. Great, what was your favorite role in
Speaker 1: high school? I got to play Suitlist and a funny
Speaker 1: thing happened on the way to the forum, which I
Speaker 1: wish I would have like checked in with myself about
Speaker 1: why I liked it so much that it's like a
Speaker 1: like a full blown clown. It's a character after Park
Speaker 1: that for some reason is the lead of the show.
Speaker 1: And when I was in high school, I just thought,
Speaker 1: like the real thing to do is like to be
Speaker 1: like romantically Like that means you're the best actors if
Speaker 1: you get like Tony and West Side Store and you
Speaker 1: play those kinds of roles. And I should have just
Speaker 1: known at the times, like no, you're just like a
Speaker 1: dumb fucking clown, like like be a character actor, play
Speaker 1: clown roles and where the goof is the lead? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like getting Teva. Yeah, oh here we go. You
Speaker 1: know who passed pass guest of the podcast Julia Claire,
Speaker 1: who you may remember from Our League of their own episode. Yes,
Speaker 1: and she just told me that she saw Alfred and
Speaker 1: Molina play Teva on Broadway. She mentioned that on that episode. Oh,
Speaker 1: I wasn't listening. Well. She was like, I'm certain I
Speaker 1: tells you and I was like, nay, there's audio evidence
Speaker 1: of it. Oh. Unfortunately I am a terrible friend, but
Speaker 1: I can't, but I would. I would kill to see
Speaker 1: Alfred Mollina played Teva. So, Dan, when did you first
Speaker 1: see Mulan Rouge. I saw an VHS T. I for
Speaker 1: some reason didn't see it in theaters, and I don't
Speaker 1: know why, because I see almost everything that I can.
Speaker 1: And I alone in my room watched Mulan Ruge because
Speaker 1: all my friends were talking about it, and as soon
Speaker 1: as it was done, I said, this is really goofy,
Speaker 1: and then immediately watched it again, like I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever watched the same movie back to back ever before,
Speaker 1: except from Mulan Rouge. And it's strange because it's not
Speaker 1: my favorite movie. It's just a movie that I watched
Speaker 1: and was like, I need to to absorb when you
Speaker 1: watch Rouge. Yeah, it's I mean it is, it's like
Speaker 1: considered kind of a classic now, right, I think. So
Speaker 1: it's like or it's like a movie that everyone remembers,
Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone remembers negatively per se um Jamie,
Speaker 1: When did you see Mulin Rouge? Weirdly, this is one
Speaker 1: of those movies that I think, if I had seen
Speaker 1: it when it came out, it would be such a
Speaker 1: part of my identity to the point where I may
Speaker 1: not even be here. But what does that mean? I
Speaker 1: would be living in France and I thought you meant dead?
Speaker 1: Would you would have passed away? You would have deliberately
Speaker 1: gotten consumption just to be like Stine and right, I
Speaker 1: would be like, you know, it's really hot terminal illness. No,
Speaker 1: I I didn't. I didn't see this movie until like
Speaker 1: Christmas this year. Well yeah, yeah, I just saw it
Speaker 1: recently and I really like it. But it's one of
Speaker 1: those movies that I'm like, Man, I wish i'd see
Speaker 1: us when I was like when it came out, because
Speaker 1: that would have my life would have been taken over
Speaker 1: by it. Yeah, I saw it, Um not right when
Speaker 1: it came out. I think a few years later I
Speaker 1: did a presentation on it as a freshman in college,
Speaker 1: where I did have you not done a presentation. But
Speaker 1: now it is a good time to mention that I
Speaker 1: do have a master's degree in screenwriting. I have. That
Speaker 1: was you know, interesting point. That's a lot of presentations.
Speaker 1: That's why you have so many presentations. I got two
Speaker 1: degrees in film. Yeah. Anyway, So, um, this movie really
Speaker 1: took hold of me in like my college years. I
Speaker 1: watched it like several times over the course of a
Speaker 1: few years, and then I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and then I kind of forgot about and stuff watching it.
Speaker 1: But um, so okay, Mulin rouge. Should I do the recap? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: and also you should you should speak like people sing
Speaker 1: in this movie, which is just screaming for no reason,
Speaker 1: a lot of screams, singing gifts Marzo, You're like, whoa
Speaker 1: who Elan McGregor has no concept of volume control. Or
Speaker 1: there's a very deeply sadistic audio engineer who worked in
Speaker 1: this movie who would bring his levels up and down.
Speaker 1: Willie ni I think he was screaming, screaming or whispering.
Speaker 1: He like even like my gift is Mazzo and you
Speaker 1: you're just like, there's a middle, there's there's others. I
Speaker 1: don't know, right, You're gonna moman. I'll cover a bunch
Speaker 1: of very specific but very different ground with this in
Speaker 1: the way that current basketball superstar Steph Curry is ruining
Speaker 1: basketball for the youth because like all kids now want
Speaker 1: to be Steph Curry, which means they go very far
Speaker 1: out and they shoot threes over and over again, ruining
Speaker 1: the work on like a youth level. Sorry, we don't
Speaker 1: allow sports talk here on this podcast. I'll bring it
Speaker 1: back then McGregor. McGregor did that for a bunch of
Speaker 1: boys in central New Jersey when this movie came out.
Speaker 1: We were all like, that's what good singing is. Back
Speaker 1: was just like belting. He comes in so hot every
Speaker 1: single time. What's the song he burst into at the beginning.
Speaker 1: So when he's with John Leguizamo and the person to one,
Speaker 1: now imagine like a dozen chaotically horny teenage children in
Speaker 1: a church in New Jersey doing that is singing. And
Speaker 1: I love I love when because most movie musicals, I think,
Speaker 1: followed this line of like you're putting movie actors in
Speaker 1: a musical, they usually nine percent at the time can't
Speaker 1: really sing. And that's true of basically everyone in this movie.
Speaker 1: But it's always like treated like. It's like when Emmy
Speaker 1: ras Some sings the first song in Phantom of the
Speaker 1: Opera and everyone's like, oh my god, and it's like
Speaker 1: she is a decent high school soprano at best. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing for Ewen McGregor and Nicole Kim and
Speaker 1: we're like every time they sing, everyone's like, but we
Speaker 1: know objectively, like this is like that this is not
Speaker 1: good singing, but it sure is loud. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: story of Mulan Rouge focuses on eumen gregor's character named Christian,
Speaker 1: and he moves to Paris. He wants to be a
Speaker 1: part of the Bohemian revolution and finds this group of
Speaker 1: people who are writing a play called Spectacular Spectacular and
Speaker 1: and he's just like, hey, I'm a writer, and they're like, cool,
Speaker 1: why don't you write this thing for us? And then
Speaker 1: they have a plan to put up their play at
Speaker 1: the Mulan Rouge, which is a bordello, which I had
Speaker 1: to look up what that is? What is that? It's
Speaker 1: just another name for a brothel. So the Mulan Rouge
Speaker 1: is a brothel in a dance hall where the creatures
Speaker 1: of the underworld hang out and this team of creatives
Speaker 1: basically like open mic comedians essentially, and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's like try to get her big break at the
Speaker 1: Mula Rouge. So they arranged this meeting with Satine, who
Speaker 1: is like the she's a headliner. She's the headline exactly.
Speaker 1: When she sings poorly, everyone pays attention. She is a courtisan,
Speaker 1: and they want to pass off Christian as a famous
Speaker 1: English writer who is writing spectacular, spectacular, so that she
Speaker 1: will convince Ziddler, the owner of the Mulan Rouge, Jim Bradman,
Speaker 1: who yes, squear icon in this movie, or you're saying
Speaker 1: a sexual because Jim Broadman's character in this movie only
Speaker 1: works if you assume he has no sexual organs at all.
Speaker 1: He has a sex lumpin gets very hot, but there's
Speaker 1: nothing he can do about it. So yeah, they want
Speaker 1: to basically convey and Sidler that they should put on
Speaker 1: their play. Meanwhile, Ziddler is orchestrating this thing for Satine
Speaker 1: to meet the Duke because they want this guy, the Duke,
Speaker 1: to invest in the Moon Rouge because he's very rich
Speaker 1: and very powerful. So there's this whole sort of like
Speaker 1: comedy of errors where this mistake and identity thing happens,
Speaker 1: and Satine meets with Christian thinking that he is the Duke,
Speaker 1: and then they magically fall in love over the course
Speaker 1: of one in love because he's an amazing singer during
Speaker 1: Ma Masa and then you have to fall in love,
Speaker 1: you have no choice. So then like she figures out
Speaker 1: who he actually is and then she's just like, well
Speaker 1: you're poor writer. Yeah, so they end up falling in
Speaker 1: love and the Duke is all like, hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: what about me? And she's like she has to pretend
Speaker 1: to like him. Also, meanwhile, they're constructing this place spectacular Spectacular,
Speaker 1: which has the exact plot of the love triangle of
Speaker 1: Christians the time the Duke, except their play is appropriating
Speaker 1: Indian culture, right, so it's like what if what was
Speaker 1: happening in our lives but somehow even worse. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: then like all the truth comes out where the Duke
Speaker 1: finds out about Settine and Christians relationship and the throws
Speaker 1: a fit. Also a set she is dying of consumption
Speaker 1: sometimes she goes, oh we go, oh yeah, she's she's free,
Speaker 1: bleeding out of her mouth and just having a really
Speaker 1: bad time anyway, So yeah, all this stuff happens, and
Speaker 1: then um, Christian thinks that she doesn't actually love him
Speaker 1: because she has to convince him. Oh usuk, I hate you.
Speaker 1: And it's just because she's trying to save his life,
Speaker 1: and it's the whole thing. And then at the end
Speaker 1: they put on the play. It basically turns into an
Speaker 1: UCB improv show at the end, and then it's basically
Speaker 1: a really high product and value three oh one showcase
Speaker 1: that they do at the end, right, and and then's
Speaker 1: the team dies, and then Christians really sad about it
Speaker 1: and he's the real victim here. That's the story. Do
Speaker 1: we miss anything? Probably nothing crucial to the plot. I
Speaker 1: don't think I didn't excellent recaptain, say well what you
Speaker 1: forgot the narcalyptic Argentinian that is mostly played for last
Speaker 1: but doesn't actually have any bearing on the plot. There's
Speaker 1: a bunch of weird, right, there's to lose. This is
Speaker 1: one of these movies that is plot wise about twelve
Speaker 1: minute long. Yes, yeah, yeah, which is fine. That's that's
Speaker 1: the nature of the musical movie. Very often, it's hard
Speaker 1: to write movies. So you write one there's a musical
Speaker 1: within it, just make it the same things. So I
Speaker 1: guess to jump in the plot. I mean, at least
Speaker 1: the plot starts out as being a story where a
Speaker 1: group of men are trying to trick a woman so
Speaker 1: that they can get what they want, which is their
Speaker 1: stupid play. Sounds like open my comedians to me. Well, well,
Speaker 1: even going back a little further than that, just like
Speaker 1: the fact that were introduced to Christian as like this
Speaker 1: genius who can just improvise classic songs from the past century.
Speaker 1: Is so it's really funny to be where all the
Speaker 1: jukebox musical elements to this movie are just even McGregor
Speaker 1: yelling and being applauded, because especially in that scene where
Speaker 1: I mean and that that's an interesting thing to talk about,
Speaker 1: the first scene between Settine and Christian where she assaults
Speaker 1: him a little bit and then he squirms away and
Speaker 1: then immediately improvises a very famous Elton John song and
Speaker 1: then they're in love. You're just like, this is I'm
Speaker 1: almost like when I saw that, I'm like, I guess
Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't see this movie when I was ten,
Speaker 1: because that is a very strange precedent. Yeah, like yeah,
Speaker 1: she so she thinks that he is the duke and
Speaker 1: because she is a sex worker. She's meant to be
Speaker 1: seducing him so that he will invest in the Mulan Rouge. Yes,
Speaker 1: which I think, uh powerhouse comedic performance by Nicole Kidman,
Speaker 1: who I don't think it's enough credit for being very funny,
Speaker 1: but watching this movie again last night, she's very funny
Speaker 1: in it. And that scene is incredibly silly because he
Speaker 1: wants to do poetry and she wants to do sex,
Speaker 1: and then and they don't talk about it, and when
Speaker 1: he starts a studying poetry and she just goes, oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, this is what I want, naughty words, and
Speaker 1: then she starts like she's coming all over the couch.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. She's like flailing around like she's she's
Speaker 1: going to hurt herself, especially because it was like she's
Speaker 1: terminally ill. She just can't be flailing herself around like that.
Speaker 1: She's going to pass out. And then eventually she she
Speaker 1: she fake hornies herself into a dizzy spell. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well you know that problem when you're trying to hook
Speaker 1: up with a guy and he's like, no, I want
Speaker 1: to read you a poem. This is a problem problem.
Speaker 1: But I do appreciate Christian's behavior in this scene because
Speaker 1: she's like throwing herself at him and he's like, is
Speaker 1: this okay? Is this what you want? Because he's there
Speaker 1: just thinking he's going to recite his poetry for her,
Speaker 1: not realizing that she is expecting to be having sex
Speaker 1: with him, So he's like, are you sure, but like
Speaker 1: he's he understands consent, he doesn't understand consent, but also
Speaker 1: he's like, no, don't fuck me. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: trick you. But it's a weird between I'm trying to
Speaker 1: trick your personality right right. So at the end, so
Speaker 1: that scene ends by her realizing that he is not,
Speaker 1: in fact the Duke and is actually a penniless writer,
Speaker 1: and then she was like gross, an open mit comedian.
Speaker 1: And then they part ways. But then he's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't stop thinking about her. So he
Speaker 1: returns to her elephant, where she hangs out in her
Speaker 1: big hollow elephant in the sky, scales the walls of
Speaker 1: the elephant, scares her not unlike snow White, and then
Speaker 1: and then sings a song in her which makes her
Speaker 1: fall in love. Song, what my Gift is My One song? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were doing caitln and I watched this movie together
Speaker 1: Friday night and we were doing a mashup of men
Speaker 1: scaling a wall and then singing one song. I have
Speaker 1: a note that I did Friday night. I guess that
Speaker 1: just says Ewen screaming bangs McGregor, and that's the whole note. Wait,
Speaker 1: how do you say his name? It's as far as
Speaker 1: I know Owen. Yeah. Oh, another note, I had a
Speaker 1: lot of xylophone in this movie. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of sound cues in this movie, very silly. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: I have all caps sound effects as a thing because
Speaker 1: it's it really happens a lot like there's I think
Speaker 1: the beginning of this movie has one of the most alienating, wacky,
Speaker 1: aggressive intros of any movie that I can think of,
Speaker 1: because once it's settin and Christian meet, I think, like
Speaker 1: starting from your song, it's sort of unfold like a
Speaker 1: movie you'd expect to unfold. It's far school and it's
Speaker 1: silly and nobody's cool in it. But in the beginning
Speaker 1: it starts with bearded Christian writing and it's like Paris
Speaker 1: Dred's like I gotta tell a story now, and then
Speaker 1: it's like fuck you, Paris and it goes back to
Speaker 1: when he meets a Tina and he starts writing this story.
Speaker 1: The cutting is very quick, it's very very jumpy, and
Speaker 1: he's talking about like he's sitting at his typewriter. Young
Speaker 1: Owen McGregor is saying, like, I want to write a
Speaker 1: play about love. There's only one problem. Smash cut to
Speaker 1: his face. I've never been in love. And it's like,
Speaker 1: this is such a silly yeah, And before you can
Speaker 1: even like wrap your head around it, it's like and
Speaker 1: then uh, anocalyptic Argentinia man through my ceiling with is
Speaker 1: that John Leguizamo For some reason, it's it's it really
Speaker 1: seems like announces itself. That is like, hey, here's our
Speaker 1: silliest ship up front, and if you're not ready for it,
Speaker 1: you shoul just like walk out now because the rest
Speaker 1: of you're not gonna like it. Then they also have
Speaker 1: John Leguizama, who is not a little person, playing a
Speaker 1: little person and yikes, but there is an actual little
Speaker 1: person in this movie, one of the women in the
Speaker 1: oh yeah, who works one of those sex workers. Another
Speaker 1: another brilliant note I had is the primary cast is redheaded,
Speaker 1: which is maybe bactal cast. First, very progressive great represent redheads,
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman, natural redhead, Jim Bradben red and out in
Speaker 1: this one, Ellen McGregor, Brunette boo, e's a dick. And
Speaker 1: then wait, the dude, the Duke, he's like a strawberry blonde.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a I'm a hot ginge. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: go so far as to say that, Okay, I like
Speaker 1: I like the Duke because he this movie is so cartoony,
Speaker 1: and the Duke reminds me of a trope that has
Speaker 1: been unpacked and examined within an inch of its life,
Speaker 1: But like the queer villain trope where I feel like
Speaker 1: that is the Duke, even though he is also aggro
Speaker 1: and hetero at the same time. It's like he's stylized
Speaker 1: like a cartoony queer villain, like a jaffar basically with
Speaker 1: like his twirly little mustache, and it's like he but
Speaker 1: then it's also like, oh no, he's aggressively hetero and
Speaker 1: very toxic at the same time. Right, there's a line
Speaker 1: in the movie where he, I mean, it's very clear
Speaker 1: that he sees Setine as a piece of property that
Speaker 1: he is paying for, and he literally equates her two
Speaker 1: items and he says he's like, I'm not a jealous man,
Speaker 1: I just don't like people touching my thing. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that was so at least that's you. His talk masculinity
Speaker 1: is used to show that he is a villain, because
Speaker 1: that doesn't always happen in movies where you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: there's toxic masculinity and we're supposed to identify with that character,
Speaker 1: so at least we'll understand to rape her. Okay, Yes,
Speaker 1: there is a very difficult to watch rape scene. That
Speaker 1: scene is bananas on so many levels because it is
Speaker 1: also scored to a really poor karaoke version of Roxanne
Speaker 1: by the Police, which, listening to the lyrics, now a
Speaker 1: problematic song. Sure. Yeah. And speaking of problems, who is
Speaker 1: Setene eventually saved by a character named lay Shock a Lot?
Speaker 1: That's right? Who is the black man who works at
Speaker 1: the Mulon Rouge? Only black person in the movie, I
Speaker 1: believe so. And his name is basically Chocolate and it's
Speaker 1: never spoken. You have to go on the im we
Speaker 1: here at one time, do you know, someone says thank
Speaker 1: you Shock a Lot? And I've seen it maybe like
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen times at this point, and never picked
Speaker 1: up on that, and then last night Austin and was like,
Speaker 1: surely they said John Claude or something like that, and
Speaker 1: I really wanted to give them to the benefit of
Speaker 1: the doubt, and then went to I Amdb and it's
Speaker 1: a lot. There's also a character played by an Asian
Speaker 1: woman named China Doll, which we don't find out in
Speaker 1: the movie, but it's on IMDb. So there's some really
Speaker 1: problematic and the whole play where they're just appropriating the
Speaker 1: culture and there's all white people in that play. Well,
Speaker 1: not great. Not a great precedent to set back. Okay,
Speaker 1: so back to the back to the rape scene. I
Speaker 1: hate that I have to say that, yeah, we're edging
Speaker 1: away from racial appropriation, we're getting back to the rapes
Speaker 1: to at this point, got it, got it, got It?
Speaker 1: So that scene, I think it's the documentary misrepresentation that
Speaker 1: talks about this. We're oftentimes in movies, a rape scene
Speaker 1: will be framed not that dissimilar from an actual, like
Speaker 1: consensual sex scene where it's like kind of sexy almost
Speaker 1: you know. Obviously that's a horrible way to frame rape.
Speaker 1: And I think that at least this movie doesn't do that.
Speaker 1: I also, I think that's necessarily true. There were this
Speaker 1: whole time and this whole so it's done to the
Speaker 1: rock sand song Oh yes, and we're cutting so that
Speaker 1: whole scene, you're cutting back and forth between the dude
Speaker 1: basically attempting to rape Setene. Uh, and then we're cutting
Speaker 1: back to like a very sexy musical number. I think
Speaker 1: that that definitely contextualizes it in a very bizarre way.
Speaker 1: I don't think you know. That to me says drama,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't say danger necessarily. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think when you're watching it, you do get the
Speaker 1: sense of like, she like it's really hard to watch
Speaker 1: and yeah, like she's scared, and it's definitely I don't
Speaker 1: know it is I see your point. I just think
Speaker 1: paying rape to a musical like that is a very
Speaker 1: choice for sure. They also do a really strange like
Speaker 1: pre softening of it, or an attept to press soften it,
Speaker 1: I guess with before this, Jim Broadbent and the Duke
Speaker 1: do a cover of Madonna's like a version because Jim
Speaker 1: Rodburn is trying to explain why Seten has not come
Speaker 1: to the Duke to sleep with him. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's gone fassing. She wanted to confess her sins and
Speaker 1: be pure because the duke makes her feel virginal. And
Speaker 1: then they both like growl at each other very wet
Speaker 1: mouthedly about how great versions are. And then which is
Speaker 1: crazy because Jim Broadbent's character is neutered. Yeah, so Jim
Speaker 1: Broadban like dresses up like a woman in that scene
Speaker 1: and the duke chases her around, and it's played like
Speaker 1: Benny Hill goof up thing, like, look at the duke
Speaker 1: chasing around this this woman. Isn't that funny? He's gonna
Speaker 1: do it for real later the dance and waiters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I didn't even think of that as Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is kind of like a warm of like a very
Speaker 1: goofy scene featuring the rapist. And then you see the
Speaker 1: rape in the next scene. Didn't I didn't even think
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Man. At the end of the rape scene,
Speaker 1: she is rescued by character Christian comes and no, she's
Speaker 1: rescued by Oh, she's rescued, and then he comes in
Speaker 1: and she's like, I was scared, And so the conclusion
Speaker 1: to the rape scene is like and she could not
Speaker 1: save herself, and the character that is a whole other
Speaker 1: issue this movie has rescues her for the second time
Speaker 1: because he also catches her at the beginning when she's
Speaker 1: go she falls off of a circus swing. Not to
Speaker 1: make light of consumption, I think that we can make
Speaker 1: light of consumption is not a problem. So no, it's
Speaker 1: isn't it the same thing as to bercular okay, h,
Speaker 1: which is still a thing. We just don't call it
Speaker 1: consumption anymore. So, not to make light of a serious
Speaker 1: illness tuberculosis saving. But yeah, so yeah, she does have
Speaker 1: to be saved. I have conflicting feelings about seems like
Speaker 1: where like a lot of times when a woman has
Speaker 1: to be saved in a movie, it's because like the
Speaker 1: super villain captured her and she has no agency and
Speaker 1: she can't do anything for herself, and she needs the
Speaker 1: male superhero to come and fix everything and to save her.
Speaker 1: It feels a little bit different in a situation where
Speaker 1: a woman is being assaulted and someone intervenes and steps
Speaker 1: in to save her. So like, obviously I want that
Speaker 1: to happen. If there is an assault taking place, I
Speaker 1: want someone to intervene, assuming she isn't in the position
Speaker 1: to do that for herself. I deeply dislike the scene
Speaker 1: on every level because the takeaway from that scene is
Speaker 1: also like it uses in sort of the classic way
Speaker 1: that media often does, uses rape as a plot device,
Speaker 1: and that is the final thing that launches her into
Speaker 1: realizing she truly loves Christian because she was almost raped
Speaker 1: by the duke, and that is so like that happens
Speaker 1: all the time, using rape as like the final thing
Speaker 1: to convince the woman that she's actually in love with
Speaker 1: someone who hasn't attempted to rape her, even though that
Speaker 1: person is very possessive and weird and yelling all the time. Which, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was also one of my least favorite parts about it,
Speaker 1: that the reason that she fought him wasn't because she
Speaker 1: didn't want to get raped, for the violation aspects of
Speaker 1: it and the removal of power and just the everything
Speaker 1: terrible about rape. It is because she explains to Christian later,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't go through with it because I really
Speaker 1: love right right. She doesn't even tell him that he
Speaker 1: attempted to rape her. She yeah, she just contextualizes it
Speaker 1: as like, I don't want to be this person anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to like sell my body
Speaker 1: to please men, and you know, which perpetuates a message
Speaker 1: that that was a necessary thing to happen to her
Speaker 1: to get her back to the protagonists. And that's just
Speaker 1: like you see that when you're super young. That's like
Speaker 1: just a nasty little precedent, right to say. And I
Speaker 1: want to talk more about Christian like being extremely possessive
Speaker 1: of her, because both of the characters that are vying
Speaker 1: for Statine's love are extremely possessive of her. It's villainized
Speaker 1: more in the Duke obviously. Well then also Jim brodbin's
Speaker 1: her in a non sexual way, in a business way, right,
Speaker 1: it's true business. Yeah. So christians arc goes from he
Speaker 1: quickly falls in love with her, and she sort of
Speaker 1: acts like she loves him, and then she actually does
Speaker 1: fall in love with him, and then they're canoodling behind
Speaker 1: the scenes and like having this clandestine relationship. Meanwhile, he
Speaker 1: is upset that she has to be spending time with
Speaker 1: the Duke because Ziddler keeps being like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he holds the deeds to the Moonlan Rouge, you
Speaker 1: have to appease the Duke. And to be fair, Setine
Speaker 1: Is does seem to have a vested interest in the
Speaker 1: Milon Rouge succeeding, and she's not pushing against Ziddler that
Speaker 1: much because she's she has a vested interest in the
Speaker 1: businesses success as well. So she's going to do her job. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And we'll get into a whole other station about sex work.
Speaker 1: I spoke to a sex worker and I was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you give me some insight and anticipation of this episode? Yes, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I do my research. That's so le So I want
Speaker 1: to get into that in a moment. But um so
Speaker 1: Satin's character, she understands what her job is, and Christian
Speaker 1: knows also the nature of her profession and that she
Speaker 1: has sex with other people for various reasons, and it
Speaker 1: makes him very jealous, and several different scenes throughout the
Speaker 1: course of the movie to the point where his arc
Speaker 1: sort of ends with she has convinced him that she
Speaker 1: doesn't love him anymore in an attempt to save his
Speaker 1: life because the Duke's like, I'm going to get my
Speaker 1: man servant love joy sorry Titanic reference to murder Christian.
Speaker 1: So she like sends him away and he's like depressed
Speaker 1: and having an emo episode about it in his bed,
Speaker 1: and episode just go away, please stop you like a
Speaker 1: John Logzalla. So then he's like, wait a minute, there's
Speaker 1: something weird about this. I have to go see what's wrong.
Speaker 1: So he sells this typewriter, gets all this cash drama,
Speaker 1: confronts Settin in the middle of their play, throws money
Speaker 1: at her, and he's like, I've paid my whore and
Speaker 1: it's a very so hot love when people screen it
Speaker 1: at me when I'm in the middle of doing something.
Speaker 1: He's clearly a feminist di com in that moment. She
Speaker 1: also told him in song in the beginning of the
Speaker 1: movie that they shouldn't be together because you will be mean,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I won't and then smash cut
Speaker 1: to the end of the movie where he's throwing money
Speaker 1: at her and calling her horror and like storming off
Speaker 1: on her opening night. Yeah, foreshadowing. So he is not
Speaker 1: respecting like the boundaries of her work and not respecting
Speaker 1: the nature of her work and can't hang. He cannot hang.
Speaker 1: His problem is he cannot hang. And so that is
Speaker 1: a huge problem because so Setine, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of conflicting thoughts about this movie, where I think it's
Speaker 1: interest sting and even cool that we see a movie
Speaker 1: where one of the main characters is a sex worker
Speaker 1: and it is like hyper glamorized, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: very flashy, and her life is made to seem like
Speaker 1: really extravagant, and a lot of times when we're seeing
Speaker 1: depictions of sex workers and movies, they are like tattered
Speaker 1: women who are addicted to drugs, and they're like work
Speaker 1: in the streets. And that is true for some sex workers.
Speaker 1: There's some sex workers where they do live sort of
Speaker 1: an upscale, glamorous lifestyle, and then there's a whole other
Speaker 1: kind of branchise suppose of sex work where it's kind
Speaker 1: of middle class, and this has been ushered in by
Speaker 1: the Internet era, and the sex worker I spoke with
Speaker 1: today basically advertises her services online, is able to screen
Speaker 1: her clients, feels very liberated in her job. This job
Speaker 1: is her choice. She wants to be doing this. She
Speaker 1: wasn't forced by anyone. She's not doing it to support
Speaker 1: a drug habit or anything like that, which is what
Speaker 1: I think. A lot of people have an understanding of
Speaker 1: what sex work must be or that's the means to
Speaker 1: that end. So there's a whole ton of people doing
Speaker 1: a type of sex work where it's like on their
Speaker 1: terms and this is what they want to be doing
Speaker 1: and they are proud to be doing this, and media
Speaker 1: almost never touches on this or porchas this in any way.
Speaker 1: So I was basically just asking, like, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about depictions of sex work in movies like Mulan Rouge,
Speaker 1: And she was just basically saying, like it's treated as
Speaker 1: something that both male characters are trying to save Setine
Speaker 1: of trying to like get her out of this lifestyle
Speaker 1: and even settin in the movies like oh, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to be a great actress like Sarah Bernhardt, she
Speaker 1: has like desires outside of being a sex worker. And
Speaker 1: again that might be true for a number of people
Speaker 1: in sex work profession, but that's not necessarily true. So
Speaker 1: and granted you also have to consider the time that
Speaker 1: this movie is taking place in It's turned the century France,
Speaker 1: where I would argue probably not a thoroughly researched part
Speaker 1: of the movie because they are singing fat boy slim
Speaker 1: a lot of really just on the historical accuracy level.
Speaker 1: I never understood why John Louizaa plays on to loose
Speaker 1: La Trek, who was a real person who lived at
Speaker 1: this time and was a little person that had a cane.
Speaker 1: That's a real person who existed in the art scene
Speaker 1: didn't and no one else in the movie is real,
Speaker 1: but they picked this one person and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we need like for some Vario similitude, we need to
Speaker 1: loose La Trek in there, and then Christian and Shock
Speaker 1: a lot and Satin and a much of other made
Speaker 1: up people. I don't understand why I think that that
Speaker 1: that you bring up the the idea that sex work
Speaker 1: is something that the team would have to be saved from.
Speaker 1: This kind of reminded me of this is a fun
Speaker 1: roundabout plug. We recently did a bonus episode on The
Speaker 1: Big Lebowski, and I recognize a similar theme here where
Speaker 1: there's two very specific types of toxic masculinity presented in
Speaker 1: this movie, and it's clear which kind the movie favors.
Speaker 1: You know. So we have the Duke, who is a
Speaker 1: capitalist and entitled and a rapist, bad across the board,
Speaker 1: bad bad, bad. But then you look at the Christian
Speaker 1: character and he's not a good guy. He is still
Speaker 1: very entitled, he is still jealous and possessive, and that
Speaker 1: form of toxicity is not challenging anyway by the movie,
Speaker 1: and in fact, the movie is like, this is what
Speaker 1: you want you, this is the guy I And I'm
Speaker 1: also just so tired of like movies being like you
Speaker 1: should date a loser. It's like, you know what, Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't want to Setina's out earning him to like
Speaker 1: an absurd degree in this movie, I'm like, why are
Speaker 1: you putting up with this loser who's just like, hey,
Speaker 1: you stop kissing on their boys. I'm like, get a
Speaker 1: job there. Anyways, you're going to ruin my romantic life
Speaker 1: as a unemployed writer who streams a lot and unemployed
Speaker 1: screaming icon Ellen middle parts screamer McGregor. There's if there's
Speaker 1: one saving grades for this movie. If I want to
Speaker 1: give the movie more credit than it probably deserves in
Speaker 1: terms of being clever, which I shouldn't um, the framing
Speaker 1: device of the movie is still this is the story
Speaker 1: as told from Christians perspective. So what we're seeing is
Speaker 1: what he has written out on his hypewriter, his play
Speaker 1: or movie or book. You know what, he does have
Speaker 1: a masters from bu that's for sure. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I want to give bos enough credit for this.
Speaker 1: But if I'm being generous, I would say, bos, you
Speaker 1: made this so very clearly males story with women that
Speaker 1: need to be saved because it's a The guy who's
Speaker 1: writing it is wrong, and that's if I want to
Speaker 1: go two levels in and give him extra credit. I
Speaker 1: don't think that was the thought that went into it.
Speaker 1: I don't think they thought, let's make a love story,
Speaker 1: but let's make sure that it's written from a males
Speaker 1: perspective and problematic because of that. Lens Little Boss, Bosses
Speaker 1: of polarizing guy. He wears Aviator sunglasses a lot. He's Australian.
Speaker 1: This is the third movie in his Red Curtain trilogy.
Speaker 1: He's just you know, I'll say a boss is a
Speaker 1: piece of work and he needs to chill out. And
Speaker 1: the Great Gatsby sucked eggs. Oh yeah, What are the
Speaker 1: other in the Red Curtain trilogy? Strictly Ballroom from which
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is? Romeo plus Juliette, Clara
Speaker 1: Dains and Leonardo DiCaprio, lots of Hawaiian shirts. Jamie Kennedy,
Speaker 1: Jamie Kennedy, the Jamie Kennedy Experiment. I want to marry
Speaker 1: into the family stuff, so I and then I want
Speaker 1: to become the dominant jam I want to get into
Speaker 1: But he's not of the Kennedy's is he. No? No,
Speaker 1: no family. No, I want to marry into the Kennedy's.
Speaker 1: Here's my plan. I need to Mary into the political
Speaker 1: dynasty Kennedy's and then become a more powerful Jamie Kennedy
Speaker 1: and oh okay, and then fight Jamie Kennedy. And that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, there's a more powerful Daniel O'Brien in
Speaker 1: the world. That really Yeah he was an orphan who
Speaker 1: went on to become a gold medal winning Olympic well ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing I could do. I've tapped the Jamie Loftus,
Speaker 1: who's a really successful realtor in St. Louis shout out.
Speaker 1: I'll fight her any day. But now it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I gotta Step one, Mary Kennedy. This will be easy.
Speaker 1: Step to figure out Jamie Kennedy contact information, and this
Speaker 1: will be harder. Step three. Challenge him to a public fight.
Speaker 1: Step four, get very strong. Step five, beat Jamie Kennedy up.
Speaker 1: Step six, start a show called the Jamie Kennedy Experiment.
Speaker 1: Step six, seven, seven, have my version of the Jamie
Speaker 1: Kennedy Experiment go on exactly one episode longer than the
Speaker 1: original Jamie Kennedy experiment. That's the plank, that's the that's
Speaker 1: the real Jamie Kennedy experiment. Great, best of luck to
Speaker 1: you and that so much so. Yeah, you're right, the
Speaker 1: story is totally from the male perspective. And side note,
Speaker 1: like the opening shots you see in the Mulan Rouge
Speaker 1: of like all the dancers, it's a lot of like
Speaker 1: disembodied female body parts and like women lifting. There's and
Speaker 1: it just feels like very kind of headless women of Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Shut objectifying. You're not going to believe this, but every
Speaker 1: major behind the scenes player in this movie is a man.
Speaker 1: Right directed, produce, screenplay, cinematography, editing, all and most of
Speaker 1: the characters are men. You would think that a movie
Speaker 1: set in a brothel would feature more characters who are women.
Speaker 1: What is the name of the other female character who? Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to talk about her a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what her name is. Marie. I
Speaker 1: could call in her old carpet bangs because she has
Speaker 1: these crazy tassel bangs. She's mean and that's all I know.
Speaker 1: Nini is the one who talks to Duke and he's like,
Speaker 1: why would she get with the pene list writer. Honestly,
Speaker 1: fair point by all carpet things, I identified closely with
Speaker 1: Attle carpet things, where she's just like why is she
Speaker 1: dating that fuck boy? Why is it what? And it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: fair carpet things, but like who are you and why
Speaker 1: are you so angry? Where she's the only other employee
Speaker 1: of the Mulin rouge who's a woman that we really meet,
Speaker 1: and she is and this is again like something we
Speaker 1: see over and over. She's just baselessly very hateful and
Speaker 1: antagonistic towards the team because women behating women, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like in my I feel like the implication is,
Speaker 1: and it's never explicitly stated, but the implication is, well,
Speaker 1: Setina is the big star, so everyone's going to resent
Speaker 1: her because she's the big star and everyone else is
Speaker 1: trying to get ahead. But it's so shoehorned in just
Speaker 1: because basically Carpet Bangs is there to deliver a plot point,
Speaker 1: which is to tell the Duke that Christian and Setina
Speaker 1: hooking up, like that's why she's there, And then she's
Speaker 1: also in that she's the one they're cutting back to
Speaker 1: it when Setina is getting raped and it's like carpet bangs.
Speaker 1: You deserved better. Yeah, I well, I definitely took note
Speaker 1: of how there was obvious sort of like lack of
Speaker 1: sisterhood or like sense of family among the sex workers
Speaker 1: in and I asked the woman who was a sex
Speaker 1: worker about this, and I said, like, what's your take
Speaker 1: on that. I would imagine that there's more of a
Speaker 1: just like sense of camaraderie among these women, and she
Speaker 1: said that, yeah, Bronzelis probably did sort of operate like families,
Speaker 1: but because they were all kind of in competition with
Speaker 1: each other because they were working for a man and
Speaker 1: the man was collecting most of their wages, they were
Speaker 1: not independently operating and therefore did sort of have to
Speaker 1: be in competition with each other. So it actually kind
Speaker 1: of tracks that Nini was so antagonistic towards Settin, but
Speaker 1: the movie does not make any I feel like that's
Speaker 1: giving the movie a lot of credits. She was there
Speaker 1: to deliver a platform. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the movie doesn't
Speaker 1: really explore the intricacies of sex work from that time,
Speaker 1: and I would guess probably has no fucking idea they existed,
Speaker 1: because the female characters are not who they're invested in
Speaker 1: at all. Movie. I didn't even really know that it
Speaker 1: was specifically a brothel and sex workers. I know the
Speaker 1: play within a play is about a Cortison and that's
Speaker 1: a sex worker, but I thought Mulan Rouge was more
Speaker 1: like a burlesque call, Like I learned from you that
Speaker 1: this is a brothel. I thought it was a burlesque call.
Speaker 1: And they were like not formally selling Seine to the Duke,
Speaker 1: but just sort of like if you marry this guy. Like,
Speaker 1: but yeah, now that I know that it is about
Speaker 1: sex workers, it's job movie. In the opening um like
Speaker 1: voiceover where Christians like typing on his little typewriter which
Speaker 1: he apparently had to buy another one of because he
Speaker 1: sells his first one to throw money at Setine. I'll
Speaker 1: show you. So that's oh that. I had a note
Speaker 1: of that too. I was like, oh, no, white male
Speaker 1: writer quit, No horrible, what a loss. But he so
Speaker 1: he buys another typewriter and he starts typing up his
Speaker 1: story about him and Settine, and he was explaining like
Speaker 1: what the Milan Rouge is, and he calls it a
Speaker 1: bordello and I had to look up what that is,
Speaker 1: but it is synonymous with a brothel. So I think
Speaker 1: the first time I saw this movie, I knew that
Speaker 1: they were sex workers. I like, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what they were. Maybe not like I feel like
Speaker 1: I knew that good, but just because I knew what
Speaker 1: Milan Rouge was, right. Yeah, you also wrote up opening
Speaker 1: shots of them where you just see like legs of
Speaker 1: women dancing and like they lift up their skirts you
Speaker 1: see underwear. Uh, just in googling a little bit last night.
Speaker 1: Originally they wanted that to be they would have no
Speaker 1: one to wear, so it would just be like a
Speaker 1: parade of headless vaginas. And then they wanted the PG
Speaker 1: thirteen ratings, so they decided not to do that. But
Speaker 1: that's almost how this movie opened. That's horrifying. But I
Speaker 1: do love as a nickname the headless vagina. Um. I
Speaker 1: wanted to mention because I just double checked because I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, Nini, I did not catch that name,
Speaker 1: but she is credited as her last name, Ninie Legs
Speaker 1: in the air. Unbelievable. Great God, It's like I get
Speaker 1: that you're training to have a fun time but please stop,
Speaker 1: please stop. Oh Kylie Minogue is in this movie, I'm
Speaker 1: the Green Fairy. Well that's an original, Okay, So let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about how bohemia is presented in
Speaker 1: this movie, because it is a very like utopian thing
Speaker 1: for a very specific kind of person. Where at the
Speaker 1: beginning where they're like be do you freedom like foe
Speaker 1: guys are on a balcony screaming beauty, freedom, truth and love,
Speaker 1: and then there's like a gyrating Kylie Minogue like grabbing
Speaker 1: in her own tips and being like, yeah, they're so right,
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's just I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: didn't That sets the precedent for what the movie is
Speaker 1: because then they're because when they're singing that, they're like,
Speaker 1: let's go trick a lady and they're going off and
Speaker 1: then they try to do it. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: that was I was just like, man, this movie is
Speaker 1: sure to come out in two one. Geez, same Trek
Speaker 1: everyone two thousand one people are like a difficult ear
Speaker 1: for us because of Shreky to Trek, why Strick two
Speaker 1: is the better? Cuss? I owned Trick two on DVD anyway,
Speaker 1: So it's actually I would say pretty than the first.
Speaker 1: I would most likely five, because fives in production is
Speaker 1: three through five. Scrap them, don't eat them. Puss in Boots,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Speaking of Puss in Boots, though
Speaker 1: didn't know that cats have eight nipples. Cat facts. With Caitlin,
Speaker 1: there was like there was a cat in this movie
Speaker 1: for like a second, isn't Yeah, It was like when
Speaker 1: one of the bohemian apartments. Oh sure I didn't pick
Speaker 1: up on it. Wow, I was surprised you didn't squeal
Speaker 1: when we watched the movie together. But I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, me always squiling when I see that was
Speaker 1: a poor characterization of who you are as a person.
Speaker 1: Just a little bit more on Satine and how because
Speaker 1: she is framed as like the object of several different
Speaker 1: people's affections movie and she's given agency, but a lot
Speaker 1: of her behavior is also like kind of wild, and
Speaker 1: she's a sex worker who is portrayed not l I
Speaker 1: would say, but perhaps better than sex workers in a
Speaker 1: lot of movies, where she has some degree of agency
Speaker 1: and she does stand up for herself toward the end
Speaker 1: whenever she's about to go run off with Christian and
Speaker 1: she's you know, confronting Ziler instead something like you've only
Speaker 1: ever made me feel like I was worth what someone
Speaker 1: would pay for me. And she's like, I'm tired of
Speaker 1: your games, Like I don't, I'm sick of the Mulan rouge.
Speaker 1: We're leaving and that Jim Bradvan does not tell her
Speaker 1: she is going to die. Yes, he knows problem, and
Speaker 1: that's when he reveals it to her. He's like, you're talking,
Speaker 1: he's got I mean, which we were saying when we're
Speaker 1: watching the movie. We're like, oh, he's got a trump card.
Speaker 1: He's got a Trump card. He's got a Trump card,
Speaker 1: which is so manipulative. Like the fact that they were
Speaker 1: withholding that information from her is insane. I mean, I
Speaker 1: am going to do that to Jamie Kennedy. But also
Speaker 1: I view that as reparations also like a bizarre I
Speaker 1: guess I don't know this reflective of nineteen hundreds France
Speaker 1: or not, but she'd been going to that doctor for
Speaker 1: a while and it was just one point where the
Speaker 1: doctor was just like, is there a man that I
Speaker 1: could tell about her condition? Like like even the doctor
Speaker 1: doesn't tell her, just like, is there like an older
Speaker 1: male figure around like a policeman or something that I
Speaker 1: could just tell I wouldn't be surprised if that were
Speaker 1: a standard in in a bordello of like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: not going to communicate directly with the patients. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that it wasn't like ethical, but that was a while
Speaker 1: that because you knew, like the audience knows that so
Speaker 1: early on. And Setina is just like, I have this
Speaker 1: persistent cough and it's like no, Also, women be fainting,
Speaker 1: but I guess in this movie she's fainting for it's
Speaker 1: a motivated faint, but still it's just like, okay, So
Speaker 1: my point is I like that you at least get
Speaker 1: to see her stand up for herself finally, at least
Speaker 1: we get to see her stand up. At least we
Speaker 1: get to see her type five. She's a headliner. She's
Speaker 1: she's doing, she's working after her it's free French friend.
Speaker 1: She's going to submit her half our favorite part to
Speaker 1: halfy Central any day now. It's gonna be great. She
Speaker 1: could do great. So at least you get to see
Speaker 1: her stand up for herself. You know, doesn't really get
Speaker 1: her anywhere, and she does, in fact die at the
Speaker 1: end of the movie. Oh and can I say I
Speaker 1: did really admire the way that she dies, which is
Speaker 1: again very plot driven and informs the entire framing device
Speaker 1: of the movie, but with her dying breath. So the
Speaker 1: team gives Christian homework assignment, which is super dup, and
Speaker 1: I will remember that when I am dying to be
Speaker 1: like before I go write a novel about me goodbye,
Speaker 1: just like he has to do it now or he's
Speaker 1: the biggest asshole in the entire world and there was
Speaker 1: no room for him to be Like I can't. I
Speaker 1: sold my typewriter to call you a horn in front
Speaker 1: of your friends. Wait, is it gonna get read? I
Speaker 1: cannot wait to a die be give someone a homework,
Speaker 1: a very complicated homework assignment that is basically a shrine
Speaker 1: to me as I die, like to make sure there's
Speaker 1: clean water for everyone dies, Like shit, yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to die anyway. So getting so sweaty
Speaker 1: doing bits, I'm sorry, Dan, that's gonna be of my
Speaker 1: life time of trying to get nicknames to stick. Dan,
Speaker 1: sweaty bits, that's gonna be the one that's the one
Speaker 1: that you want. No, it's not big Dragon, It's gonna
Speaker 1: be sweaty bits on my tombstone? Have you sorry? Have
Speaker 1: you tried for big Dragon? I did? Well? Yeah, my
Speaker 1: life is like super not real. I'm not a real person. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't legitimately think I should be called big Dragon.
Speaker 1: I think the idea of a person insisting on being
Speaker 1: called big Dragon is are you funny? To me? So
Speaker 1: I was like, it wouldn't be cool if I was
Speaker 1: like a character who did that, and I just do
Speaker 1: it in real life, because I because life, life is
Speaker 1: a movie. Everyone wasn't some people do that's exciting. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put an end to either. Everyone should start addressing
Speaker 1: me as Jamie Kennedy and just put that vibe out there,
Speaker 1: and then Mary Kennedy and kill the other Jamie Kennedy.
Speaker 1: Do you know, are there a bunch of young Kennedy's
Speaker 1: running around? Still? There are Taylor switches sucking some of them.
Speaker 1: They're around, They're around, and they're erect and they're they're
Speaker 1: ready for you. You just have to lookate them. Great.
Speaker 1: Caitlyn is strategically already deleting this in her mind. You know,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? I'm trying to like figure out
Speaker 1: what my like faces statement for this episode is because like,
Speaker 1: I can't really I just don't know how I feel
Speaker 1: about like Satine and her. I don't know. The one
Speaker 1: argument I would make for this movie, because it does
Speaker 1: make so many missteps in terms of representing literally anything,
Speaker 1: is that it is so extremely silly and removed from
Speaker 1: reality that I would hope and again, it's different when
Speaker 1: you have a very young audience coming to a movie
Speaker 1: like this, but I would hope that for the every
Speaker 1: man adult basically, that you wouldn't leave this movie being like, oh,
Speaker 1: a blueprint of how to behave in reality, you know,
Speaker 1: where where some movies I feel like are are are
Speaker 1: more problematic at a deeper level because they're portraying normal
Speaker 1: people behaving very toxically, where at least everyone in this
Speaker 1: movie is so cartoonishly removed from what reality is now
Speaker 1: or probably ever at any point in time, because people
Speaker 1: are just people will be singing in eggs or elephants
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that it's presented as a farce,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't make the problematic parts less bad, but
Speaker 1: it does make them easier to dis this totally. And
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons I like this
Speaker 1: movie so much, because as we all know I don't
Speaker 1: like musicals generally, but I really like this movie. And
Speaker 1: I think it's because the reason I don't like a
Speaker 1: lot of musicals is that I just have a really
Speaker 1: hard time suspending my disbelief for like people just suddenly
Speaker 1: bursting into song. But because this movie is so cartoonish
Speaker 1: and so far removed from everything that we recognize as reality.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, because I mean everything between the production
Speaker 1: design and Boss Lerman's like, hey, like half of the
Speaker 1: scenes in this movie, Boss Lerman's like, get every red
Speaker 1: gel in Hollywood and then put him on the lights.
Speaker 1: And then for the other half, get me every blue
Speaker 1: jeal is Hollywood and put it on the lights. So like,
Speaker 1: the movie just looks so wild, like the costumes and
Speaker 1: the set design and everything about it is just like
Speaker 1: so flashing and wild that we don't like. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm able to suspend my disbelief for this movie. And
Speaker 1: this movie was like influential and that it put the
Speaker 1: ability to make a Hollywood movie musical briefly back on
Speaker 1: the map as a viable thing you could do. It
Speaker 1: was only for like five or so years, and then
Speaker 1: by the time we hit Rent and like Rock of
Speaker 1: Age as everyone's like, oh, yis you know what barrier
Speaker 1: for a couple of decades and we'll try again. But
Speaker 1: this and then a few years later Chicago where the
Speaker 1: two hit movies that it's like, maybe we can and
Speaker 1: then they made fandom of the Opera and Rent and
Speaker 1: the like perhaps we should put in a little too
Speaker 1: close to the sun on those. Yeah, but that I
Speaker 1: I like that the same reason that you do, Caitlin.
Speaker 1: And there there's a Boss Lerman quote about and I
Speaker 1: don't I'm not a big boss Lerman guy because I
Speaker 1: agree that Gatsby is full trash. I'm not a boss boy.
Speaker 1: But he was influenced by and it's insane that he
Speaker 1: didn't let this influence spread into the casting. But when
Speaker 1: he was in India working on something and he saw
Speaker 1: a buch of Bollywood films, he was really heavily influenced
Speaker 1: by that and how much joy there was in the
Speaker 1: cinema and how the audience was participating, and he was saying,
Speaker 1: as there, would we ever be able to do that
Speaker 1: in the West, Would we will ever be able to
Speaker 1: be not cool and just lean into uncoolness? And in
Speaker 1: service of just sharing this story with a singular voice,
Speaker 1: and I hate coolness, and I think most movies are
Speaker 1: too cool for for for school these days. And I
Speaker 1: like the idea of the Big Dragon O'Brien, but a
Speaker 1: statement movies are too cool. Be my friend, you know what?
Speaker 1: These days too cool? So he went to Bollywood and
Speaker 1: he's just like, hm, I could appropriate this white if
Speaker 1: I still that's interesting. I didn't know that that totally
Speaker 1: makes sense, especially given the play within the play is
Speaker 1: sort of like reflecting that directly. You know, It's like,
Speaker 1: I am not upset this movie exists at all. I
Speaker 1: enjoy watching it. The problems are very clear. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is that you're just like but as
Speaker 1: Melan Rouge, Like yeah, I think it's also like you.
Speaker 1: You're both probably pretty lucky that it didn't come to
Speaker 1: you in high school like it came to me right
Speaker 1: around September eleven, because it did make us all very
Speaker 1: insufferable for a while, like yeah, I mean, well people
Speaker 1: are looking for escapes. Yeah, I I love Mulan Rouge,
Speaker 1: and then for a couple of years like distance myself
Speaker 1: from it because like the the cult of people who
Speaker 1: are really into Mulan Ruge was like Oh that's not
Speaker 1: I don't want to be Where is there a based
Speaker 1: issue with this movie that makes sense? Um? I think
Speaker 1: it's it's rolled into the to the broader fan base
Speaker 1: of really irritating theater kids in general. Just we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to Friday's after the show. We're still gonna have
Speaker 1: our old line makeup on our foreheads, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: sing rent and everyone's gonna love it. The rest of
Speaker 1: the restaurant is gonna be like, what a treat? Does
Speaker 1: no one have any final thoughts about the portrayal of
Speaker 1: women in the movie, mug I don't think we talked
Speaker 1: about Marie, who is one of the other named women
Speaker 1: who has a couple of lines in the movie, and
Speaker 1: she's sort of like the dead mother of the brothels,
Speaker 1: just like non sexually running it with Jim Broadbent, and
Speaker 1: you would think, I feel like that this movie was
Speaker 1: made today, she would have had a way more prominent role. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that bring let's talk about whether or not this
Speaker 1: movie passes deep Entel test, because several conversations take place
Speaker 1: where Settine is there and Marie is there and they
Speaker 1: sort of sometimes talk to each other. You know, we've
Speaker 1: got I feel like you and I have to make
Speaker 1: a sort of call of whether a scene should pass
Speaker 1: the Bactel test if when the conversation that arguably could
Speaker 1: pass happens. We know both names, because I think that
Speaker 1: when the arguable scenes. Unless I'm mistaken, we don't yet
Speaker 1: know Marie's name, but we figure it out later, and
Speaker 1: then it's like, well does this scene pass in retrospect?
Speaker 1: Really getting into the weeds here, Well, okay, So the
Speaker 1: scene where they first interact, it's after Settine has fainted, right,
Speaker 1: and then deposits her. In this Marie is holding some
Speaker 1: smelling salts up to her and she wakes a classic revival.
Speaker 1: And you don't know this unless you are watching the
Speaker 1: movie with subtitles, on which I always do brag. You
Speaker 1: do always do subtitles, you guys. Okay, so how dare
Speaker 1: you subtitle shame me? Okay? Sorry? This so, so Tina
Speaker 1: wakes up and it's so breathy that you don't really
Speaker 1: know what she's saying, but she says Marie. Does she
Speaker 1: say her name? She says her name these silly costumes
Speaker 1: and then so she says her name, but you hardly
Speaker 1: know that it's there, and then Marie says, just a
Speaker 1: little thing in spell, and then and that's the that's
Speaker 1: the line that we don't really know what she says
Speaker 1: unless you're watching with subtitles on, because it's so kind
Speaker 1: of garbled that it's hard to tell what she's saying.
Speaker 1: Before that, Nanie says to oh, Nanie legs in the air,
Speaker 1: nany legs in the air, It can't pass. The woman's
Speaker 1: name is Nanie Legs in the air. She's and she
Speaker 1: talks to another woman and I don't remember exactly who
Speaker 1: it is. Uh Nini says something like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the dog''s gonna get his manage last tonight. She's
Speaker 1: also Michael Caine, it's like and then the other woman says,
Speaker 1: don't be on coined, Nini. But that doesn't pass the
Speaker 1: back to test because they mentioned the duke, and also
Speaker 1: we don't know that other woman's name. The scene where
Speaker 1: Sattine says Marie these silly costumes and then Marie says,
Speaker 1: just a little fainting spell. I guess passes, but we're
Speaker 1: also hard to tell what any of them are saying.
Speaker 1: And then later on there is a scene where Marie
Speaker 1: says to Satine that twinkle toast duke has really taken
Speaker 1: the bait, and then Setine giggles he and then I
Speaker 1: was like, what is going And then Marie says, with
Speaker 1: a patron like him, you could be the next Sarah Bernhard.
Speaker 1: Speaking of patrons, please sign up for our patreon. Okay,
Speaker 1: Satine responds, Marie, do you think I could really be
Speaker 1: like the great Sarah? Marie says, why not. You've got
Speaker 1: the talent. You hook that duke and you'll be lighting
Speaker 1: up the great stages Europe. And Seteene says, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be a real actress, Marie, a great actress. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna fly far away from here. That does pass? I would?
Speaker 1: I mean, they do talk about the duke, but because
Speaker 1: we have a you know, just two lines exchange. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are two lines where they are not. And yes,
Speaker 1: the team's talking about her goals and Sarah Bernhard and
Speaker 1: how she wants to be just like her. So with regrets,
Speaker 1: Millnerge does pass the factal test, it would seem so, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I do think that ultimately it is bleak that we
Speaker 1: are shown a majority female workplace that sidelines every of
Speaker 1: those women in the movie. So significantly except for body
Speaker 1: part shots also sidelines. Do you guys have thoughts to
Speaker 1: forgive me if it's Aubrey or Audrey. It's the original
Speaker 1: writer who I believe as a man wearing a Audrey Audrey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he plays Farremire in the Lord of the Rings. I've
Speaker 1: never seen a Lord of the Rings. I know. I
Speaker 1: saw them as like, this is for geeks. I can't
Speaker 1: believe how much you're shaming me today. I'm so I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's from, yeah, Audrey. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if they were trying to present this is like this
Speaker 1: is a potential transperson, or this is just or I'm
Speaker 1: reading into it. It's just maybe that's his natural hair.
Speaker 1: But it felt like a like a like a bob
Speaker 1: wig that he was wearing in France, hard to say,
Speaker 1: not a masculine name. So I didn't know what they
Speaker 1: if they were trying to present a trans character, and
Speaker 1: then if they were bad on you movie for replacing
Speaker 1: it with the straight white male you and McGregor immediately right,
Speaker 1: But I don't trying to always suppress queer voices. There
Speaker 1: is a very quick shot you see of two men
Speaker 1: very heavily tattooed dancing together in the Moulin Rouge, but
Speaker 1: like miss that. Oh yeah, there's just like a quick
Speaker 1: moment of queerness do you see on screen? And then
Speaker 1: it's immediately cut away from gay panic in my notes,
Speaker 1: but I don't know why I wrote it in all
Speaker 1: caps right after sound effects and I'm trying to that's
Speaker 1: early in the movie, so maybe it's is it when
Speaker 1: I didn't write down the exact moment. But there is
Speaker 1: a moment where there are a few tasteless jokes in
Speaker 1: regards to like I think it's basically in any scene
Speaker 1: where there are men hanging out together as friends, there
Speaker 1: is some sort of like what is because the unconscious
Speaker 1: Argentinian puts his hands on Christians crotch and then he's
Speaker 1: just like I love talent and he's like nothing funny,
Speaker 1: just like talent, yes, and then um, which is across
Speaker 1: the board bonkers thing to do in nineteen hundreds Bohemian
Speaker 1: France if you're like this big artistic community and you're
Speaker 1: like we're in truth, beauty and love, but like no
Speaker 1: gay people obviously, right right. Yeah, Also, he is one
Speaker 1: of two people who grabs Christians crotch in the movie,
Speaker 1: because later Setine is like, You've caught a huge talent,
Speaker 1: and they're like wow. And then all the people who
Speaker 1: are spying on them, which is to loosen the other
Speaker 1: the Argentinian andre freaking bays are just and also separately,
Speaker 1: Ziddler is watching them through a telescope. It's crazy. There's
Speaker 1: so much voyeurism and male gaze in this movie, which
Speaker 1: is insane. Zeidler is thinking, I'm gonna watch the scene
Speaker 1: have sex with the duke, and that's going to save
Speaker 1: my business. I have a vested interest in this. She
Speaker 1: is my employee or property or whatever terrible thing it's
Speaker 1: going to be. Those other guys just assume Christian is
Speaker 1: going to do a poetry reading, which is a weird
Speaker 1: thing to watch, and then when they discover that it's
Speaker 1: not a poetry reading, they're still on board to watch.
Speaker 1: So I don't understand any of their motivations. Imagine if
Speaker 1: the twist was Jim Bradman was watching the whole time
Speaker 1: like that's such a wild Like oh yeah, Jim Bradman
Speaker 1: is just casually surveilling me with his He always has
Speaker 1: a scope because then he like always trying to read
Speaker 1: like he sees what's happening, and then he's just like,
Speaker 1: I have to go intervene. He's always watching what Setena
Speaker 1: is doing because he does view her as property, property
Speaker 1: and oh god, anyway. So also, Kylie Minogue plays the
Speaker 1: Green Fairy, Ozzie Osborne plays the Green Fairies. Laugh, weird
Speaker 1: way to Use Your money? Movie, interesting use of funds
Speaker 1: and a new podcast. Shall we write, Yes, let's write
Speaker 1: the movie on our nipple scale, where we rate based
Speaker 1: on the movie's portrayal of women on a zero to
Speaker 1: five nipple scale. I guess I have to give this
Speaker 1: movie you one and a half two. I don't think
Speaker 1: it fares very well about all. Again, I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: still confused about this movie because I feel like it's
Speaker 1: just like wild wackiness is like, oh, it's fun and
Speaker 1: I like it. But at the same time, most of
Speaker 1: the female characters are completely sidelined. Satine is treated as
Speaker 1: property by almost all of the main male characters, and
Speaker 1: while she does have some degree of agency where she
Speaker 1: is making her own choices and pursuing her own love
Speaker 1: story and things like that, she's often dictated what to
Speaker 1: do by other men and isn't allowed to have any
Speaker 1: sort of cathartic moment because she dies in the end
Speaker 1: before she gets to do anything she actually wants to do.
Speaker 1: And then, yeah, just like the depiction of sex work
Speaker 1: is really complicated because I don't know, it's just a
Speaker 1: really Hollywood eyes glamorized version of sex work that ignores
Speaker 1: a lot of what sex work actually is. And granted,
Speaker 1: you could say, like, oh, well, you know, this is
Speaker 1: you know, fictionalized Bohemian turn of the century Paris version
Speaker 1: of all of that where things were much different, but
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just it just drives me crazy
Speaker 1: when people have the opportunity in the platform, when they're
Speaker 1: making a movie to depict something more positively and better,
Speaker 1: but they're like, actually, instead, I'm going to make a
Speaker 1: movie set a hundred years or more ago and then
Speaker 1: appropriate the funk out of Indian culture. So cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to give it a one and
Speaker 1: a half. One nipple goes to Satine because she deserved
Speaker 1: more and her story is told from the male perspective,
Speaker 1: and I want to see her side of it all.
Speaker 1: I want to see the story told from her ghost,
Speaker 1: her consumption ghost. More like Boo Boo and My half
Speaker 1: Nipple goes to I guess Marie because she's also very
Speaker 1: much ignored for most of the movie. Yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: to give it a one, and not because I don't
Speaker 1: like this movie. Again, it's that complicated thing we come
Speaker 1: up against every time. But Settine is given some agency,
Speaker 1: but never enough that she actually gets to make her
Speaker 1: own decisions. Her a decisions are always informed by the
Speaker 1: fact that she's dying and doesn't know it because men
Speaker 1: won't tell her. Decisions are informed by the fact that
Speaker 1: she is raped into realizing she should date Ewen McGregor.
Speaker 1: Like just I feel like she has a kind of
Speaker 1: a series of empty moments where it's like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: realizing something. It has agency, but it's only because the
Speaker 1: movie is telling her what to do at every single point.
Speaker 1: So it feels like almost kind of like a hollow
Speaker 1: sort of agency that she's given by the movie. Her
Speaker 1: hand is sort of forced. Anyways, almost every time, the
Speaker 1: depiction of sex work is certainly very complicated. Also, the
Speaker 1: fact that we are we are in this really this
Speaker 1: building full of women with different perspectives, and we see
Speaker 1: none of them. I mean, we see Ninie Legs in
Speaker 1: the air, who is very antagonistic and are are given
Speaker 1: very little context for anything other than the fact that
Speaker 1: Settine is being battled over by three or four different men.
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, not not a progressive movie for women,
Speaker 1: i'd argue, but it it's you know it. It's tricky
Speaker 1: because I do enjoy it. It is a fun movie
Speaker 1: to watch, but in terms of how it portrays anything
Speaker 1: other than straight white guys movie affairs incredibly poorly. I
Speaker 1: gonna give it one and I'm gonna give my nip
Speaker 1: to Chakola. You deserve better, but you are great at
Speaker 1: catching people. I'll go one and a half nipples as well.
Speaker 1: This is nipple is not a word that I say
Speaker 1: often in my life, and it's gonna just feel very
Speaker 1: It's a very strange mouth feel to me right now
Speaker 1: saying it into a microphone. But I agree with everything
Speaker 1: that you guys said, and I know that the Times
Speaker 1: movie came to me in my life and my perspective
Speaker 1: with whatever my background is, means that of course I'm
Speaker 1: going to find certain parts of it very enjoyable. You
Speaker 1: and very You taught me how to sing very poorly.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, it's not it's really bad at portrayal
Speaker 1: of women. I had a different perspective on it until
Speaker 1: I learned from you guys, because I went to the movie. Thing, Like,
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman is very capable in this, Like she's the
Speaker 1: only one who seems like she knows what she's doing.
Speaker 1: She's always improvising on the fly and like getting people
Speaker 1: out of sticky situation. She knows how to like the
Speaker 1: scene where she has what to do, where she's like,
Speaker 1: the writer is just in love with me, that poor
Speaker 1: penniless idiot we just needed for the show, and then
Speaker 1: I'm going to discard him, just like you can do anything,
Speaker 1: you're a politician, you can talk your way at anything.
Speaker 1: You're You're smart and capable. But listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: that we just did and just seeing how much of
Speaker 1: her agency has been taken away by everyone, I agree
Speaker 1: that past Daniel and calling my shot future Daniel and
Speaker 1: we'll be wrong, humble dragon. But I'll give my half
Speaker 1: nipple to Nicole Kidman because again, I think she's a
Speaker 1: comedy powerhouse in this and nobody talks about it enough.
Speaker 1: She was nominated for an Oscar for Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is against the rules or not.
Speaker 1: I want to give my remaining nipple to the Lady
Speaker 1: Marmalade cover that came out an association with this movie. Okay,
Speaker 1: good because that song fucking bangs and there's like nineteen
Speaker 1: women singing in that song and it's and it just
Speaker 1: seemed like a very empowering, like it's just amazing, Yes
Speaker 1: music videos video. I saw a tweet somewhere where someone
Speaker 1: was saying, like, if that song was remade today, they
Speaker 1: named three contemporary artists and then they were like, and
Speaker 1: still Pink the fourth member. She is. It's you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta hand it to Pink. She's got staying powers. Anyways,
Speaker 1: that's the that's a good note to come. Dan. We're
Speaker 1: happy to have been here to educate you and and
Speaker 1: change your mind about everything, and and thank you so
Speaker 1: much for being here. Oh thank you. I'm such a
Speaker 1: huge fan of the show. This is this is a
Speaker 1: real big day from here. Veryanks so much for having me.
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