WEBVTT - Moulin Rouge with Daniel O'Brien 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.480 On the beck Dol Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:07.160 have women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.360 and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.960 in best start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hi, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.360 and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante, 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.840 my name is Jamie Laftas, and we are the hosts 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:28.160 of the Bechtel Cast. Yeah, okay, okay, bye. No. I 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.280 am excited for today. It's just I'm still getting used 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.200 to us being in a different space. I think that's 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.840 part of what it is. Right, We're in transition, right now, 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:38.839 We're in transition. It's like it's just the thing is, 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:40.880 we're in a space that I would argue is far 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.800 less oppressive and well ventilated, and but it's somehow making 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.600 me nervous. I like being here because my good friend 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:54.320 Sammy is recording for us today. Yes, Hi, Hi, Fammy, 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.800 say so. The Bechtel Cast is inspired by the Bechdel Test, 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.480 and it requires that a move. We has two female 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.600 characters who have names, who speak to each other and 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.920 cannot be talking about a man. Right. Not only do 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:09.800 we talk about whether or not a movie passes the 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.320 backdel test. We also talk about all kinds of ship 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.720 regarding the portrayal of women in movies. We use it 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:21.679 as a yardstick to begin a larger I feel like 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:25.520 we're both were in a new space. We were sitting 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.400 like kind of well, let's introduce our guests. I feel 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:34.199 like that will really, you know, equalize things. I'm ready. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.959 He okay, he has a real intro too, But we 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.240 need to say our guests did bring everyone but himself 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.880 micsard lamon, which is truly the most generousing anyone can do. 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.600 I have yet to open mind, So just give me one. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:56.040 Can you bring the hits up listeners live for the hiss. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.760 Here's the thing. I get emails every day about the 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:06.000 hiss of the Mike's hard and it's stop. It's nice 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.840 and we like it. I mean, thank you anyway. Our 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.280 guest um he is a very funny fellow and he 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.359 is the author of How to Fight Presidents. Dan O'Brien, Hi, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.440 thank you so much for having me. Thanks for being here. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.720 I really hope I'm not like the weird element that 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:27.040 changes your energy. No, it's for sure our fault. We 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.880 shouldn't be blaming ourselves so much though we're strong, smart women. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.880 This is something I come up against again and again 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.440 where it's just like, Okay, I can be a feminist 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:42.680 and also I hate myself as an individual. And it's 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.360 confusing sometimes because you're like, do I hate women? No, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:50.160 I just hate me and that's okay, Jamie, I want 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.400 you to love yourself. Well that's like a whole other podcast. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.000 Sorry anyway, So, Dan, you brought us the movie Mulin 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.720 Rouge I did. Yeah, I'm so I didn't tell us. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:02.880 So what's your history with this movie? Is there any 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.120 particular reason you chose this one? I knew I wanted 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:10.960 something musical because I'm a music theater kid, uh and 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.919 just wanted to play in that world. And like, it's 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.680 really hard to find a group of people that are 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.079 willing to talk to me about musicals. Oh my god, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.720 I've been waiting. So wait, what kind of musical? Like 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.280 high school? Or did you did you bring it into college? 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.400 Did you bring it after college? Because that's a move. Oh, 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.120 it started way early. I started from Jersey originally, and 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:31.960 we went to I saw my first Broadway show probably 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.520 when I was in sixth grade, and then I started 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.040 doing local community theater immediately thereafter, and then was like 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.840 fully identified as musical theater kid in high school and 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.000 that was that was my So you'll be prepared to 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.400 burst out into song with us. Oh definitely during this 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.080 episode at anytime. Great, what was your favorite role in 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.920 high school? I got to play Suitlist and a funny 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.040 thing happened on the way to the forum, which I 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.000 wish I would have like checked in with myself about 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:57.760 why I liked it so much that it's like a 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.440 like a full blown clown. It's a character after Park 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.400 that for some reason is the lead of the show. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.680 And when I was in high school, I just thought, 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.760 like the real thing to do is like to be 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.120 like romantically Like that means you're the best actors if 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:10.640 you get like Tony and West Side Store and you 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.800 play those kinds of roles. And I should have just 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.560 known at the times, like no, you're just like a 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.120 dumb fucking clown, like like be a character actor, play 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.800 clown roles and where the goof is the lead? Yeah, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.680 it's like getting Teva. Yeah, oh here we go. You 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:27.640 know who passed pass guest of the podcast Julia Claire, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.680 who you may remember from Our League of their own episode. Yes, 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.720 and she just told me that she saw Alfred and 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.440 Molina play Teva on Broadway. She mentioned that on that episode. Oh, 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.440 I wasn't listening. Well. She was like, I'm certain I 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:46.280 tells you and I was like, nay, there's audio evidence 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.560 of it. Oh. Unfortunately I am a terrible friend, but 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.760 I can't, but I would. I would kill to see 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:58.200 Alfred Mollina played Teva. So, Dan, when did you first 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.000 see Mulan Rouge. I saw an VHS T. I for 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.479 some reason didn't see it in theaters, and I don't 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:05.200 know why, because I see almost everything that I can. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.080 And I alone in my room watched Mulan Ruge because 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.440 all my friends were talking about it, and as soon 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.240 as it was done, I said, this is really goofy, 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.600 and then immediately watched it again, like I don't think 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.920 I've ever watched the same movie back to back ever before, 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.840 except from Mulan Rouge. And it's strange because it's not 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.200 my favorite movie. It's just a movie that I watched 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.960 and was like, I need to to absorb when you 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.240 watch Rouge. Yeah, it's I mean it is, it's like 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.720 considered kind of a classic now, right, I think. So 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.880 it's like or it's like a movie that everyone remembers, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:39.839 and I don't think anyone remembers negatively per se um Jamie, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.400 When did you see Mulin Rouge? Weirdly, this is one 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.479 of those movies that I think, if I had seen 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.920 it when it came out, it would be such a 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.320 part of my identity to the point where I may 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:53.840 not even be here. But what does that mean? I 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:59.479 would be living in France and I thought you meant dead? 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.359 Would you would have passed away? You would have deliberately 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.840 gotten consumption just to be like Stine and right, I 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.039 would be like, you know, it's really hot terminal illness. No, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.160 I I didn't. I didn't see this movie until like 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.000 Christmas this year. Well yeah, yeah, I just saw it 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:18.400 recently and I really like it. But it's one of 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:19.960 those movies that I'm like, Man, I wish i'd see 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.040 us when I was like when it came out, because 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:23.920 that would have my life would have been taken over 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.520 by it. Yeah, I saw it, Um not right when 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.120 it came out. I think a few years later I 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.600 did a presentation on it as a freshman in college, 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.599 where I did have you not done a presentation. But 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:35.839 now it is a good time to mention that I 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.919 do have a master's degree in screenwriting. I have. That 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:43.080 was you know, interesting point. That's a lot of presentations. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.480 That's why you have so many presentations. I got two 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.880 degrees in film. Yeah. Anyway, So, um, this movie really 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.680 took hold of me in like my college years. I 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.719 watched it like several times over the course of a 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.880 few years, and then I was like, I don't know, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.400 and then I kind of forgot about and stuff watching it. 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:04.880 But um, so okay, Mulin rouge. Should I do the recap? Yes? Yes, 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.240 and also you should you should speak like people sing 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.960 in this movie, which is just screaming for no reason, 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:20.680 a lot of screams, singing gifts Marzo, You're like, whoa 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:25.600 who Elan McGregor has no concept of volume control. Or 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.360 there's a very deeply sadistic audio engineer who worked in 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.160 this movie who would bring his levels up and down. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.280 Willie ni I think he was screaming, screaming or whispering. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:40.560 He like even like my gift is Mazzo and you 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.160 you're just like, there's a middle, there's there's others. I 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.600 don't know, right, You're gonna moman. I'll cover a bunch 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.120 of very specific but very different ground with this in 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.200 the way that current basketball superstar Steph Curry is ruining 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.600 basketball for the youth because like all kids now want 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.480 to be Steph Curry, which means they go very far 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.680 out and they shoot threes over and over again, ruining 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.360 the work on like a youth level. Sorry, we don't 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.880 allow sports talk here on this podcast. I'll bring it 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.320 back then McGregor. McGregor did that for a bunch of 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.240 boys in central New Jersey when this movie came out. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.400 We were all like, that's what good singing is. Back 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:18.400 was just like belting. He comes in so hot every 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.720 single time. What's the song he burst into at the beginning. 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:26.000 So when he's with John Leguizamo and the person to one, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:38.240 now imagine like a dozen chaotically horny teenage children in 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:43.360 a church in New Jersey doing that is singing. And 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.680 I love I love when because most movie musicals, I think, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.000 followed this line of like you're putting movie actors in 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.480 a musical, they usually nine percent at the time can't 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.240 really sing. And that's true of basically everyone in this movie. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.680 But it's always like treated like. It's like when Emmy 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.439 ras Some sings the first song in Phantom of the 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.760 Opera and everyone's like, oh my god, and it's like 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:09.400 she is a decent high school soprano at best. It's 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.560 the same thing for Ewen McGregor and Nicole Kim and 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.400 we're like every time they sing, everyone's like, but we 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.319 know objectively, like this is like that this is not 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:23.760 good singing, but it sure is loud. Yeah. So the 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:28.200 story of Mulan Rouge focuses on eumen gregor's character named Christian, 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.600 and he moves to Paris. He wants to be a 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.600 part of the Bohemian revolution and finds this group of 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:40.240 people who are writing a play called Spectacular Spectacular and 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.280 and he's just like, hey, I'm a writer, and they're like, cool, 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.720 why don't you write this thing for us? And then 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.880 they have a plan to put up their play at 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.440 the Mulan Rouge, which is a bordello, which I had 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.439 to look up what that is? What is that? It's 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.480 just another name for a brothel. So the Mulan Rouge 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.079 is a brothel in a dance hall where the creatures 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:07.199 of the underworld hang out and this team of creatives 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.640 basically like open mic comedians essentially, and they're like, hey, 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.360 let's like try to get her big break at the 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:17.720 Mula Rouge. So they arranged this meeting with Satine, who 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.800 is like the she's a headliner. She's the headline exactly. 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:27.439 When she sings poorly, everyone pays attention. She is a courtisan, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.280 and they want to pass off Christian as a famous 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.120 English writer who is writing spectacular, spectacular, so that she 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.679 will convince Ziddler, the owner of the Mulan Rouge, Jim Bradman, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.520 who yes, squear icon in this movie, or you're saying 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:46.439 a sexual because Jim Broadman's character in this movie only 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.079 works if you assume he has no sexual organs at all. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.600 He has a sex lumpin gets very hot, but there's 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:59.000 nothing he can do about it. So yeah, they want 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:01.360 to basically convey and Sidler that they should put on 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.360 their play. Meanwhile, Ziddler is orchestrating this thing for Satine 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.320 to meet the Duke because they want this guy, the Duke, 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.640 to invest in the Moon Rouge because he's very rich 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.360 and very powerful. So there's this whole sort of like 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.400 comedy of errors where this mistake and identity thing happens, 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.280 and Satine meets with Christian thinking that he is the Duke, 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.760 and then they magically fall in love over the course 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.400 of one in love because he's an amazing singer during 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:38.440 Ma Masa and then you have to fall in love, 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.319 you have no choice. So then like she figures out 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.800 who he actually is and then she's just like, well 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:51.920 you're poor writer. Yeah, so they end up falling in 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:54.520 love and the Duke is all like, hey, wait a minute, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.080 what about me? And she's like she has to pretend 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:02.680 to like him. Also, meanwhile, they're constructing this place spectacular Spectacular, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.240 which has the exact plot of the love triangle of 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.160 Christians the time the Duke, except their play is appropriating 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.400 Indian culture, right, so it's like what if what was 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:18.400 happening in our lives but somehow even worse. Yeah, so 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.800 then like all the truth comes out where the Duke 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:25.000 finds out about Settine and Christians relationship and the throws 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.800 a fit. Also a set she is dying of consumption 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:35.200 sometimes she goes, oh we go, oh yeah, she's she's free, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.520 bleeding out of her mouth and just having a really 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.080 bad time anyway, So yeah, all this stuff happens, and 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.320 then um, Christian thinks that she doesn't actually love him 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.280 because she has to convince him. Oh usuk, I hate you. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.360 And it's just because she's trying to save his life, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.480 and it's the whole thing. And then at the end 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.240 they put on the play. It basically turns into an 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.359 UCB improv show at the end, and then it's basically 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.520 a really high product and value three oh one showcase 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:06.200 that they do at the end, right, and and then's 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:10.520 the team dies, and then Christians really sad about it 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:16.480 and he's the real victim here. That's the story. Do 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.240 we miss anything? Probably nothing crucial to the plot. I 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.760 don't think I didn't excellent recaptain, say well what you 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:29.480 forgot the narcalyptic Argentinian that is mostly played for last 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.000 but doesn't actually have any bearing on the plot. There's 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.880 a bunch of weird, right, there's to lose. This is 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.360 one of these movies that is plot wise about twelve 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:42.760 minute long. Yes, yeah, yeah, which is fine. That's that's 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.200 the nature of the musical movie. Very often, it's hard 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.160 to write movies. So you write one there's a musical 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.560 within it, just make it the same things. So I 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.400 guess to jump in the plot. I mean, at least 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.800 the plot starts out as being a story where a 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.960 group of men are trying to trick a woman so 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.080 that they can get what they want, which is their 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:09.800 stupid play. Sounds like open my comedians to me. Well, well, 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.440 even going back a little further than that, just like 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.840 the fact that were introduced to Christian as like this 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:21.000 genius who can just improvise classic songs from the past century. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:25.040 Is so it's really funny to be where all the 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:29.000 jukebox musical elements to this movie are just even McGregor 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.960 yelling and being applauded, because especially in that scene where 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.280 I mean and that that's an interesting thing to talk about, 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:41.720 the first scene between Settine and Christian where she assaults 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.520 him a little bit and then he squirms away and 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.920 then immediately improvises a very famous Elton John song and 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.320 then they're in love. You're just like, this is I'm 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.120 almost like when I saw that, I'm like, I guess 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.080 I'm glad I didn't see this movie when I was ten, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.280 because that is a very strange precedent. Yeah, like yeah, 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.960 she so she thinks that he is the duke and 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.960 because she is a sex worker. She's meant to be 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:10.800 seducing him so that he will invest in the Mulan Rouge. Yes, 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.880 which I think, uh powerhouse comedic performance by Nicole Kidman, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.320 who I don't think it's enough credit for being very funny, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.720 but watching this movie again last night, she's very funny 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.560 in it. And that scene is incredibly silly because he 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.600 wants to do poetry and she wants to do sex, 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.760 and then and they don't talk about it, and when 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.040 he starts a studying poetry and she just goes, oh, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.240 that's right, this is what I want, naughty words, and 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.840 then she starts like she's coming all over the couch. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:42.880 It's so funny. She's like flailing around like she's she's 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.720 going to hurt herself, especially because it was like she's 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.240 terminally ill. She just can't be flailing herself around like that. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.280 She's going to pass out. And then eventually she she 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:57.280 she fake hornies herself into a dizzy spell. Right, Yeah, 0:15:57.360 --> 0:15:59.440 Well you know that problem when you're trying to hook 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:00.800 up with a guy and he's like, no, I want 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:05.720 to read you a poem. This is a problem problem. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:10.560 But I do appreciate Christian's behavior in this scene because 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.360 she's like throwing herself at him and he's like, is 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.120 this okay? Is this what you want? Because he's there 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.400 just thinking he's going to recite his poetry for her, 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.040 not realizing that she is expecting to be having sex 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.160 with him, So he's like, are you sure, but like 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.280 he's he understands consent, he doesn't understand consent, but also 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.000 he's like, no, don't fuck me. I'm just trying to 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:37.960 trick you. But it's a weird between I'm trying to 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.120 trick your personality right right. So at the end, so 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.680 that scene ends by her realizing that he is not, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.880 in fact the Duke and is actually a penniless writer, 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:53.680 and then she was like gross, an open mit comedian. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.400 And then they part ways. But then he's like, oh 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.720 my god, I can't stop thinking about her. So he 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.840 returns to her elephant, where she hangs out in her 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:08.080 big hollow elephant in the sky, scales the walls of 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.840 the elephant, scares her not unlike snow White, and then 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.120 and then sings a song in her which makes her 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:23.800 fall in love. Song, what my Gift is My One song? Yeah, 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.000 we were doing caitln and I watched this movie together 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.920 Friday night and we were doing a mashup of men 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:38.439 scaling a wall and then singing one song. I have 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.159 a note that I did Friday night. I guess that 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:47.400 just says Ewen screaming bangs McGregor, and that's the whole note. Wait, 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:55.480 how do you say his name? It's as far as 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.000 I know Owen. Yeah. Oh, another note, I had a 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.399 lot of xylophone in this movie. There are a lot 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.880 of sound cues in this movie, very silly. It's yeah, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.800 I have all caps sound effects as a thing because 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.879 it's it really happens a lot like there's I think 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.000 the beginning of this movie has one of the most alienating, wacky, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.159 aggressive intros of any movie that I can think of, 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.840 because once it's settin and Christian meet, I think, like 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.720 starting from your song, it's sort of unfold like a 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.680 movie you'd expect to unfold. It's far school and it's 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.920 silly and nobody's cool in it. But in the beginning 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.240 it starts with bearded Christian writing and it's like Paris 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.160 Dred's like I gotta tell a story now, and then 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.560 it's like fuck you, Paris and it goes back to 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:38.560 when he meets a Tina and he starts writing this story. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.480 The cutting is very quick, it's very very jumpy, and 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.680 he's talking about like he's sitting at his typewriter. Young 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.159 Owen McGregor is saying, like, I want to write a 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.600 play about love. There's only one problem. Smash cut to 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.840 his face. I've never been in love. And it's like, 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:55.679 this is such a silly yeah, And before you can 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.919 even like wrap your head around it, it's like and 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:01.520 then uh, anocalyptic Argentinia man through my ceiling with is 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.520 that John Leguizamo For some reason, it's it's it really 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:08.000 seems like announces itself. That is like, hey, here's our 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.119 silliest ship up front, and if you're not ready for it, 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:11.600 you shoul just like walk out now because the rest 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.760 of you're not gonna like it. Then they also have 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.560 John Leguizama, who is not a little person, playing a 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:21.320 little person and yikes, but there is an actual little 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.920 person in this movie, one of the women in the 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.119 oh yeah, who works one of those sex workers. Another 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:34.920 another brilliant note I had is the primary cast is redheaded, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:44.320 which is maybe bactal cast. First, very progressive great represent redheads, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:50.919 Nicole Kidman, natural redhead, Jim Bradben red and out in 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:55.760 this one, Ellen McGregor, Brunette boo, e's a dick. And 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.520 then wait, the dude, the Duke, he's like a strawberry blonde. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.119 He's a he's a I'm a hot ginge. I wouldn't 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.320 go so far as to say that, Okay, I like 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.760 I like the Duke because he this movie is so cartoony, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.320 and the Duke reminds me of a trope that has 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.840 been unpacked and examined within an inch of its life, 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.359 But like the queer villain trope where I feel like 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:21.520 that is the Duke, even though he is also aggro 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.359 and hetero at the same time. It's like he's stylized 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.240 like a cartoony queer villain, like a jaffar basically with 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:32.879 like his twirly little mustache, and it's like he but 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.240 then it's also like, oh no, he's aggressively hetero and 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.240 very toxic at the same time. Right, there's a line 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.680 in the movie where he, I mean, it's very clear 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:45.280 that he sees Setine as a piece of property that 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.840 he is paying for, and he literally equates her two 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.360 items and he says he's like, I'm not a jealous man, 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.800 I just don't like people touching my thing. Yes, yes, 0:20:55.880 --> 0:21:00.840 that was so at least that's you. His talk masculinity 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.000 is used to show that he is a villain, because 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:06.480 that doesn't always happen in movies where you know, sometimes 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.600 there's toxic masculinity and we're supposed to identify with that character, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:13.760 so at least we'll understand to rape her. Okay, Yes, 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.800 there is a very difficult to watch rape scene. That 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.720 scene is bananas on so many levels because it is 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.800 also scored to a really poor karaoke version of Roxanne 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.159 by the Police, which, listening to the lyrics, now a 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.080 problematic song. Sure. Yeah. And speaking of problems, who is 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.000 Setene eventually saved by a character named lay Shock a Lot? 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.520 That's right? Who is the black man who works at 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.159 the Mulon Rouge? Only black person in the movie, I 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:46.560 believe so. And his name is basically Chocolate and it's 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:49.280 never spoken. You have to go on the im we 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:52.880 here at one time, do you know, someone says thank 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:55.359 you Shock a Lot? And I've seen it maybe like 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:58.280 twelve or thirteen times at this point, and never picked 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:00.679 up on that, and then last night Austin and was like, 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.960 surely they said John Claude or something like that, and 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:05.639 I really wanted to give them to the benefit of 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:07.280 the doubt, and then went to I Amdb and it's 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:10.720 a lot. There's also a character played by an Asian 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.320 woman named China Doll, which we don't find out in 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:16.240 the movie, but it's on IMDb. So there's some really 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:20.760 problematic and the whole play where they're just appropriating the 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:27.080 culture and there's all white people in that play. Well, 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.439 not great. Not a great precedent to set back. Okay, 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.359 so back to the back to the rape scene. I 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.359 hate that I have to say that, yeah, we're edging 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.400 away from racial appropriation, we're getting back to the rapes 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:42.960 to at this point, got it, got it, got It? 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:47.879 So that scene, I think it's the documentary misrepresentation that 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:51.720 talks about this. We're oftentimes in movies, a rape scene 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.040 will be framed not that dissimilar from an actual, like 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.840 consensual sex scene where it's like kind of sexy almost 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:01.520 you know. Obviously that's a horrible way to frame rape. 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:05.080 And I think that at least this movie doesn't do that. 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:11.040 I also, I think that's necessarily true. There were this 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.720 whole time and this whole so it's done to the 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.960