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Speaker 1: Welcome to everybody to a Monday additional Texans All Access

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Speaker 1: from the Hunday Texans Radio studio. And you do not

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Speaker 1: know how good it is to say those words. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, John Harris Booby Anos a silent reporter

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Speaker 1: alongside the voice of the Texans, Mark Vanimir Mark. It's

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Speaker 1: good to be home. It's good to be home. I

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Speaker 1: had a great time at Indianapolis at the Combine and

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Speaker 1: love watching all the coverage and everything. Actually, love is

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Speaker 1: too strong a word, Johnny, No, not really. It's well

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Speaker 1: you you love it, Okay, it's it's appropriate for you.

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Speaker 1: For me, I leave it on and then two hours

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Speaker 1: go by. It I'm thinking, I've been watching this stuff

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Speaker 1: for two hours? What have I really even been watching?

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of nice to have it on, you know,

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Speaker 1: just time goes by. And then I watched the Oscars

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Speaker 1: last night. By the way, what did you think? Thought

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Speaker 1: Kimmel was pretty good. My two favorite things about the

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Speaker 1: Oscars are the monologue and the dead People the in

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Speaker 1: amorem segment, because that, you know what I love about that,

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Speaker 1: And the NFL did it too, with NFL honors. With

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Speaker 1: NFL honors, you tend to know everybody that passed in

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Speaker 1: the last year. I mean, they're my be some older players.

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Speaker 1: Who's that guy who played for the you know, Saint

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Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals, you know whatever exactly there was there was

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Speaker 1: once a Saint Louis Cardinals football team. I know, yes, children,

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Speaker 1: it's true, but I love it. At the Oscars, we

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Speaker 1: have best you know, or the guy who won Best

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Speaker 1: sound editor for you know, on the Waterfront or something,

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Speaker 1: and you don't know his name, and you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: nobody in the audience really knows his name other than family,

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Speaker 1: friends and people in the industry. But it's interesting. There

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Speaker 1: was a guy named Gordon Willis who was the director

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Speaker 1: of photography for Godfather One, Godfather to Annie Hall, all

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Speaker 1: the President's Men in Manhattan, and he was the father

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Speaker 1: of a friend of mine. He was the cinematographer for

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Speaker 1: all those movies and a lot of other movies. And

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Speaker 1: he died a few years ago, and I thought, I know,

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Speaker 1: I know that guy, and those people are so well respected.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing in football. It's like there

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Speaker 1: might be some assistant coach or some buddy who worked

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Speaker 1: for an organization or a strength and conditioning coach from

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Speaker 1: days gone by you know, people car about a living

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Speaker 1: people who everybody in the industry might respect but nobody

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Speaker 1: else knows about. I like honoring these kinds of people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Immemorium. I love watching it because I'm reminded of

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Speaker 1: the great work those people did. But then I hate

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Speaker 1: it because those people are gone. Yeah, it's just it's

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Speaker 1: a sad moment. And of course Eddie Fetter was playing

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Speaker 1: a Tom Petty song yeah, which was like whoa man?

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Speaker 1: And Teddy's had his songs featured in a lot of movies.

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Speaker 1: Wait can you think of one right now? And some

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Speaker 1: people consider it a football film. Tom Petty song briefly

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Speaker 1: featured in Jerry Maguire when Jerry gets cushed to agree

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Speaker 1: to be his client and he's driving back and he's

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Speaker 1: flipping to the radio to how to find the perfect

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Speaker 1: song for the moment and he can't, and finally it's

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Speaker 1: free Fallen by Tom Petty and he feels like that's

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Speaker 1: capturing the moment for Well, I was gonna say silence

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Speaker 1: and lamps, what is Petty? And there's no. Petty's not

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Speaker 1: in the American Girl is in yes Zee, which is

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Speaker 1: kind of freaky when you think about silence and lambs

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Speaker 1: at all. But you know it puts the lotion in

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Speaker 1: the bar. That note. I want to talk some combine.

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Speaker 1: It ruds the forty yard. Let's let's look at the

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Speaker 1: combine in oscar form. Most outstanding performance as a leading

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Speaker 1: man has got to be Shakim Griffin. No, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think so. And you're not even really grading on the curve.

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Speaker 1: how Grady looked period hand, no hand, extra hand. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. The guy looked phenomenal and you said he would.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you told us that this guy would really

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Speaker 1: make a lot of people notice him at the combine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was phenomenal. If you missed it.

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Speaker 1: He wore an apparatus of prosthesis on his left hand

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Speaker 1: Or Land Brown, who did not have a great combine

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Speaker 1: he did fourteen reps. Does he win the Razzi? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think so. I think he does. Unfortunately, Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: Orlando's film is okay. But then again, it's big twelve

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Speaker 1: But Chakeem Griffin then ran a four three eight at

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Speaker 1: is red. I still think he's in the third round.

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Speaker 1: I think the third round is where teams, I think,

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Speaker 1: start taking I don't say risks, but they take players

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Speaker 1: that they may not fit exactly what you do, but

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Speaker 1: they're two good athletes, two good football players that you're

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Speaker 1: see where you could make it. What's he gonna be

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Speaker 1: allowed to play with on the appendage? He doesn't play

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Speaker 1: Shaqim over the years, he doesn't shy away from it.

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Speaker 1: He just embraces it. I mean, they're doing ball drills

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Speaker 1: had this year against Auburn. They were going to finish

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, whate I thought it was interesting. Mark was

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Speaker 1: he was just running by guys from both sides right

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Speaker 1: he was at safety. He went from outside linebacker to safety.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna make somebody happy and then you do. And

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Speaker 1: But he's he is gonna make somebody happy. And that's

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Speaker 1: it and said, Okay, what will be a wild card

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Speaker 1: in the third round? And maybe we're not thinking about

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Speaker 1: guy like Shachim Griffin, because he can do so much

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Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing. The more that I think about it,

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Speaker 1: That's somewhere on day two that he's gonna get selected.

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Speaker 1: now he'll play special teams. Of course. You know, I

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Speaker 1: didn't see that this is so awesome. Wait. Wait, just

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Speaker 1: the fact that John Harris did not want to ruin

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Speaker 1: the I did not of watching a combine like for

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Speaker 1: never heard Mike Mayock burst out with you know, he'll say, oh,

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Speaker 1: Who else started to Combine? Well, I got answer for

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Speaker 1: two forty, but he tested at two fifty six six

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Speaker 1: four two fifty six As an inside off the ball linebacker.

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Speaker 1: He ran four six five twenty reps on the bench

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Speaker 1: at two twenty five. Vertical jump thirty nine and a

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Speaker 1: half inches. What thirty nine and a half inches? Broad

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Speaker 1: jump ten four three, cone six eight eight, Anything under

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Speaker 1: seven is tremendous. Twenty yards shuttle four on five is

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Speaker 1: just great. He put on a show, Layton vander Esch

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Speaker 1: on Tony right now. I when I wrote it, I

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Speaker 1: watched him a couple of times. I watched him against

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Speaker 1: Oregon the bowl game, and watching Hi against President State

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Speaker 1: and championship game. Watched him against Utah State, No calros State,

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Speaker 1: sorry Carl Ross State, and I was like, man, I

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Speaker 1: really love this guy. But his one year starter, he

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Speaker 1: was injured a bunch. Do I trust? I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: didn't trust. I should have an he went to the combine. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's just solidified for me that he's going in the

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Speaker 1: first round. Layton vander esh linebacker from out of Boise State.

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Speaker 1: Just tremendous workout. Tremaine Edmunds is a guy that's ranked

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Speaker 1: ahead of all the linebackers. He's right at the top.

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Speaker 1: He and Roquan Smith round Georgia Edmunds four five four

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Speaker 1: at six five to fifty three. Didn't do any other testing,

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Speaker 1: did bench press nineteen reps. That's more than necessary really

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Speaker 1: at his position. And then he had a broad je

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Speaker 1: up of about nine nine. If I'm doing my math right,

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Speaker 1: I got to convert from inches to feet, so nine

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Speaker 1: nine whale of an athlete moved hit strikes everything you're

452
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Speaker 1: looking for for a guy to can play any linebacker position.

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Speaker 1: So he had a tremendous day just putting that four

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Speaker 1: five's like, that's really all you really needed to see

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Speaker 1: from him. I mean that was that was tremendous on

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Speaker 1: a d line On Sunday, vite vea forty one reps

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Speaker 1: on the bench, but he was outdone by a guy that,

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Speaker 1: for some reason to make the Harris one hundred. I

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Speaker 1: was going to look and see where I ranked him

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Speaker 1: on my Harris one hundred, and every now and again

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Speaker 1: that happens. I ended up I have a mistake. I

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Speaker 1: just I miss out on a guy that I should

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Speaker 1: have been in there but just wasn't. And this year

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Speaker 1: that was Harrison Phillips. Harrison Phillis from my Stanford is

465
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite players in this entire draft. I

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Speaker 1: love the way that he can create inside. He just

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Speaker 1: creates plays inside as an inside guy at six four,

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Speaker 1: three hundred and seven pounds here in five two one forties,

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Speaker 1: good forty two bench press reps and then a thirty

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Speaker 1: two inch vertical. That's incredible for a guy three oh

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Speaker 1: seven Viteva running at five oh four or five to one,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, at three hundred forty seven pounds. Now, have

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Speaker 1: you seen some of his running back highlights. You understand

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Speaker 1: this guy is some kind of athlete, but he bench

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Speaker 1: pressed forty one times. He did the forty and five one.

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Speaker 1: This guy is going to be an interior monster, can

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Speaker 1: rush the quarterback a little bit. He's better than Danny

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Speaker 1: Shelton in that regard. He's not just gonna be a

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Speaker 1: two down player, but he's probably not gonna be an

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Speaker 1: every down, third down player. But Vita veez right up

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Speaker 1: there to me, one of the top defensive lineman. Now,

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Speaker 1: the other defensive linement to me that stood out was

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Speaker 1: Duran Pain from Alabama Freak Show. Three hundred and eleven pounds,

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Speaker 1: four point nine five, twenty seven bench press reps, twenty

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Speaker 1: nine in vertical twenty eight and a half, and then

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Speaker 1: a broad jump of just under nine feet. That's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Tremendous work by darn Payne, a guy that some people

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Speaker 1: bore a soured on a little bit just because he

489
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Speaker 1: wasn't perhaps as dynamic all the time. And look, I

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Speaker 1: understand that to a degree. In the big games, he

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Speaker 1: showed up. He was big time unbelievable. Also, the edge

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Speaker 1: guys went on Sunday as well, and they they put

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Speaker 1: up some pretty solid times. Leon Jacobs Wisconsin edge rusher

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Speaker 1: four four eight. But Lorenzo Carter to me and Josh,

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Speaker 1: what were the story? Lorenzo Carter ran at four to

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Speaker 1: four eight, his officials four to five. Oh, when he

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Speaker 1: posted a four four eight, I about fell off the cow.

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Speaker 1: It's like, WHOA, I knew he's an athlete. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: that was incredible. Lorenzo Carter outside linebacker will be a

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Speaker 1: true three four outside linebacker. Josh Sweat, it's a very

501
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Speaker 1: interesting guy. Had a lot of injury issues before he

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Speaker 1: got the floor of State. Then he had injuries at

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Speaker 1: floor State. This year when he's finally healthy, he was

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Speaker 1: able to finally show what he could do if he's

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Speaker 1: healthy going in the NFL. He is very very intriguing.

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Speaker 1: His dimensions at six four two fifty one almost thirty

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Speaker 1: five inch arms, tenant quarter inch hands ran a four

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Speaker 1: to five three thirty nine point five I'm sorry, thirty

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Speaker 1: nine and a half inch vertical, and then a tent

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Speaker 1: four broad job. He's got athlete. This is oozing out

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Speaker 1: of his pores. It's the matter whether he can stay

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Speaker 1: healthy and put her all together. Because he can. Boy,

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Speaker 1: he's got an opportunity to surprise some people. I think

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Speaker 1: on Day two on into the third round, Josh wet

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Speaker 1: from out of Florida State. On Saturday, the wide receivers

516
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Speaker 1: wide receivers ran and DJ Chark stood out for three

517
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Speaker 1: four and forty forty inch vertical, ten nine broad jump.

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Speaker 1: Guy's whale. An athlete, and one of the most impressive

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Speaker 1: things to me was how he improved every single day

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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. They talked about Marcus Davenport doing

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Speaker 1: that a little bit, talk about Josh Allen doing that.

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Speaker 1: I heard, Danni, let's talk about that. To me, DJ

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Speaker 1: Shark was that player. Every single day he got better

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Speaker 1: and better. He ran a four to three four, which

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Speaker 1: is absolutely smoking. Now one guy that did not make

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Speaker 1: the Harris one hundred because he had so many off

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Speaker 1: the field issues. I don't really know how teams are

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Speaker 1: gonna perceive him. And that's Antonio Callaway five eleven, two

529
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Speaker 1: hundred pounds, could be a whale of a slot receiver,

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Speaker 1: dynamic the ball in his hands. He ran a four

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Speaker 1: four one ten one broad jump thirty four orange vertical.

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Speaker 1: The athleticism is there, it's a matter of off the field.

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Speaker 1: How did those interviews go for him with the teams? Now,

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Speaker 1: A couple of guys that really to me at wide

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Speaker 1: receiver stood out for a couple of different reasons. Number one,

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Speaker 1: DJ Moore, Maryland. Love this guy ran four four two

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Speaker 1: at six foot two ten fifteen reps on benches, okay,

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Speaker 1: thirty nine and a half inch vertical, eleven foot broad

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Speaker 1: up sub seven three con drill. DJ Moore is the truth.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see him going to late

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Speaker 1: first round. He's got that kind of ability. Great hand,

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00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 1: snatches the ball out of the air. Loves loves to

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Speaker 1: see him run the ball after the catch. He is

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Speaker 1: so much fun to watch. And that is DJ Moore

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Speaker 1: from out of Maryland. And how about this guy, Dylan Cantrell. Now,

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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna wait a second. Texas Tech fans

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00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: will be like, yeah, all right, so Texas Tech love.

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Speaker 1: That's right. He put on a show. Dylan Cantrell is

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Speaker 1: a guy not thought about a lot if youre thinking

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Speaker 1: about Texas Tech receivers this year. Kiki qt is a

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Speaker 1: guy that a lot of people talk about. I love

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Speaker 1: to watch. He has fun, great hands, excellent slot return game,

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Speaker 1: He's got a little bit of everything. Just short. He's

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Speaker 1: under five to ten, but man, he could scoot. He

555
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: ran into fourth fource but Della can't trell at six

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Speaker 1: three two twenty six. And this is why it gets

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Speaker 1: intrigued to me. He ran four to five nine to

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00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: forty pretty good. Eighteen mens press reps is solid, thirty

559
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: eight and a half inch vertical, nearly eleven foot broad jump,

560
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Speaker 1: ten ten broad jump, six five six three cone drill

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Speaker 1: that's like slot receiver type speed. And then a four

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Speaker 1: h three twenty yard shuttle, which is amazing than a

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Speaker 1: sub eleven sixty yards shuttle. He showed it off. My

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Speaker 1: question is because that guy likes to knock your block

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Speaker 1: off two. Could you put ten to fifteen pounds on him,

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Speaker 1: get him up two in the two forty range and

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Speaker 1: make him a U tight end or even an F

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Speaker 1: tight end. Now the Texans have got a good one.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Steven Anderson, but Della can't trels physical,

570
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: strong dude. Maybe that's a guy in the later rounds

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Speaker 1: that if you look at it and think we're gonna

572
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Speaker 1: take him, we're not gonna play with receiver. We're gonna

573
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: put on a tight end. You got a whole year

574
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Speaker 1: trying to sneak you on a practice squad, and we're

575
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Speaker 1: gonna try and beef you up and get you the

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Speaker 1: tight end size because you're not gonna least too much speed.

577
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: But you've got the strength, You've got the athleticism. He's

578
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: got good hands and he loves to block. The only

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Speaker 1: can't troll the Texas Tech might be a guy, a

580
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: surprise guy to watch because the athleticism is absolutely there.

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Speaker 1: High school teammate of Patrick Mahomes, college teammate a Patrick Mahomes,

582
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: and a guy to keep an eye on. One of

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Speaker 1: the winners of the combine this weekend. All right, coming

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Speaker 1: up next, Drew Dorty's gonna stop by. We'll kick around

585
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Speaker 1: a few things from the combine as well. Right here

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Speaker 1: in Texas All Access there right, we are one final

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Speaker 1: segment of Texas All access on this wonderful Monday evening.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be back from Indianapolis. I am your host

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Speaker 1: football Anals Salary reporter John Harris, and I'm joined now

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Speaker 1: by my cohart On in the Lab, it's Drew Doherty. Drew,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? Brother? Now? The much just a beautiful night.

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Speaker 1: Gonna leave here. I'm gonna fire up the grill, put

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Speaker 1: some Italian sausage on. It's the best to tell I

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Speaker 1: remember when I told you about that, Yeah, you did.

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Speaker 1: It is the very best. It's the gold standard of

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Speaker 1: Italian sausage. And you told me that. You got a

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Speaker 1: ton of tweets of people asking, yo, whoa, whoa, that's

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Speaker 1: like a great tease button. You gotta tell us where

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Speaker 1: we can get it. If you want to get it,

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Speaker 1: tweet at me. I can't, I can't. How about this, Like,

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Speaker 1: you want to get it? You need to listen to

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Speaker 1: in the lab? Yeah? Yeah, which is in lab? Both both,

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Speaker 1: but tweet at me and I'll tell you the place.

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Speaker 1: So we did in lab and this past week, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a good one. I thought I

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Speaker 1: thought it was a really good one. We've come up

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Speaker 1: with that, and we actually we did some rainstorming on

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do for some further ideas. Now, we're

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Speaker 1: always open to ideas too, so at Nohorty Drew at

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Speaker 1: your Hair's Football, if you got ideas for end the Lab,

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Speaker 1: we're cool with that. We love and we welcome them. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we may not use them, but we welcome the ideas.

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Speaker 1: We welcome the ideas because you never know, you never know.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite segments on radio, which is one

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Speaker 1: of that Sean and I almost got fired for Williams. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was a good one, but we almost got fired

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Speaker 1: for No. It was about um, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I can say it on radio, but it was about

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Speaker 1: toilet girl. And it just came from an email that

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Speaker 1: we got from a guy who was just listening and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: do you guys see this because he knew that Sean

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Speaker 1: and I could go off on a tangent and do

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Speaker 1: it pretty well, and we did almost too well that day.

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Speaker 1: So you guys can send his ideas and we will.

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Speaker 1: We will absoluten we will absolutely listen to them. But

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Speaker 1: just so people are clear, when you hear it, you'll

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Speaker 1: know that that I won Oh the off defense. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to concede that I will give you the

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Speaker 1: offense because you got the shot. See, it's interesting you

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Speaker 1: say that because our good friends at the battle Red

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Speaker 1: Blog they had some comments about it, and I love

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Speaker 1: the battle Red Blog. Yeah, but there's one comment or

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Speaker 1: there that said John Hurts clearly clearly knows his football,

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Speaker 1: which is true. This team would smoke the other one.

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Speaker 1: I talk about the offense, I'm like, smoke it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got the seanat how's it gonna get? How's that

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Speaker 1: gonna happen? But anyways, to each of those, yeah, I mean,

638
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting because I would have I know there

639
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: were probably comments both ways. Um as you look at it,

640
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: but it to me, I looked at putting it together

641
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: the same way I would put together a team, and

642
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: that yeah, that's inside out. I'm like, I've gotta I

643
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: gotta build up front, which is ironic. I shouldn't think

644
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: that way. I guess because I played defensive back. I

645
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: know the value of defensive back. But if you're not

646
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: good up front, then we'll see and I and I

647
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: recognize that. And since you had the first pick and

648
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: you had watch what I took Clowney, But then after

649
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: that you went if if if I were to try

650
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: to match you as first, staying like up front, up front,

651
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: up front, up front, like, I would have really come

652
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: out on the lesser end. So I went hard after

653
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: the secondary. Yeah, and I feel like I compensated pretty well. Man,

654
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: your secondary, I think with Clowney upfront, which I had

655
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: paired with that second, it's some real above average players

656
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: are all along the rest of the front. I'm not

657
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: saying they're world beaters, but above average players, and you

658
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: get the maybe the greatest leader in team history, and

659
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: Demiko Ryan's true. I mean, I'm I'm fine with my secondary. Yeah,

660
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: if you want to play out Aaron Glenn, Jonathan Joseph

661
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: Dante Robinson, you're playing Nickele and be fine. And Marcus Coleman, Yeah,

662
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: you could play Nickele and be fine. All right, you could.

663
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: You could play Nicole Clowney. We can havoc upfront. Antonio Smith, Yeah,

664
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up clin because I thought it

665
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: was another A couple of things that were interesting through

666
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: when we were at the combine listening, listening not only

667
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: to the combine, but talking to team, talking to people

668
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: from other teams, about a litany of different topics. I mean,

669
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: it was cool going to the Combine, and it's been

670
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: cool because we get to see people that we don't

671
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: get to see all the time. I've got to know

672
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: Sal Capaccio, the silent reporter for the Bills um and

673
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: it's like seeing a your old friend. It's pretty cool.

674
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, you were talking to the guys that you

675
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: know from the forty nine ers are right next to us.

676
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: It's just really cool. But but there's so there's so

677
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: many national media are there, and then of course you

678
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: got the Combine coverage that's going on as well. And

679
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: there are a couple of things that I actually heard

680
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: in the room as I was kind of canvassing the

681
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: joint and going around and then people would ask me

682
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: about it, and they they talked about how impactful and

683
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: scary Jadevion is and they've they've seen over over the

684
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: last couple of years, how good he is moving up

685
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: and down a lot of scrimmage that he actually And

686
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: I heard this on the on the coverage. They were

687
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: talking with Willie mc ginnis and they were talking to

688
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: Willie was talking about in Houston. They're talking about Jevion Clowney.

689
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: They were talking about making the transition from me in

690
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: a fourth three defensive in outside linebacker, which JD had

691
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: to make. But in essence, JD then kind of went

692
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: back inside and became more of a tool to use

693
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: inside than he was as as he was a tool outside.

694
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: He's stuffed to pigeon, Like he can't really call him

695
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: outside or a defense. It's kind of you just sort

696
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: of have to say edge guy. Yeah, even then you

697
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: can move him inside too. What. Yeah. From time to time,

698
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: it's almost like Jadeveon has become the positionless player, which

699
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: is I think equal parts awesome and I think it's

700
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: it costs him because when it comes to Pro Bowl

701
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: votes and it comes to all pro votes, where do

702
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: you where do you put him? But I thought it

703
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: was interesting to hear that about Cline, and he wasn't

704
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: the only one. I heard it from a couple of

705
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: other people. But the consensus was, though, as I heard

706
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: from people, was what, Klann has a real deal, you know,

707
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: after a couple of years of being and I you

708
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: and I've done that all along. It's it's it's purely

709
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: been a matter of him standing on the field. We

710
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: saw it first preseason game of his career. Yeah, you

711
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: line him up next to what and he damn near

712
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: sacked Carson Palmer with Jared Vildier. He picked him up,

713
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: but What got there first and got the sack. But

714
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: had he not, Jared Vildier would have sacked Carson Palmer

715
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: courtesy of here's another one and Drew and I'm curious

716
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: to your thoughts on this, and We've probably talked about

717
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: this a little bit, but I think through the wreckage

718
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: of a four and twelfth season, there was there was

719
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: one thing that stood out as I listened to Combine coverage,

720
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, I heard if I heard this once,

721
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: I heard it maybe a dozen times. But there were

722
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: so many people, especially on Friday and Saturday, as the

723
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks worked out on Saturday and then they met with

724
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: the media on Friday, I heard more people giving Bill

725
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: O'Brien thumbs up, kudos for the work he did with

726
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: the Sean and really being a role midles not the

727
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: right word, but sort of being exhibit A for what

728
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: you have to do for quarterbacks that are coming from college.

729
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: If you want to be successful, you got to adjust.

730
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: You got you have to adjust. And I heard Daniel

731
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Jeremiah talk about it, Ard may I talk about it,

732
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: heard Rich Eyes and mention it. They are all separately

733
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: and at different times and talking about what you're gonna

734
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: have to do in the NFL. As you get these

735
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: college quarterbacks, you have to take a lesson from Bill O'Brien.

736
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting to hear hear them,

737
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: even in a four and twelve season, for as bad

738
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: as it was, Yeah, to point that out and go,

739
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: that's exhibit A for how you do it. Yeah. And

740
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: O'Brien has always said, it's all about the players. You know,

741
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: they're the ones making these plays. And he's he catered

742
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: what he did to what his players do well and

743
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: how they make plays. And we saw that in October

744
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: forty points per with Watson and Will Fuller in the

745
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: lineup two, I mean that that's he It wasn't all Watson.

746
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean it was all Watson, but it was finding

747
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: a way to use the weapons that you had on offense.

748
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Ellington was never better, Fuller was never better.

749
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 1: Now it doesn't matter a ten Can can be playing

750
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: quarterback and DeAndre Hopkins is probably gonna still get a

751
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: thousand yards. Yeah, get a bunch of catches, but Hopkins

752
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: looked amazing with him as well. Well, so yeah, he

753
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: It is cool to see that because that month of

754
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: note of October really stood out to people, seeing what

755
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: the Texans could do, seeing how they could score because

756
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: they'd been in such a quagmire like a sand pit.

757
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen with Brock Goswaller, the average what sixteen

758
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: seventeen points per game, did not score over thirty points

759
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: at all, And here comes to Seawan six games with

760
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: thirty points or more his second start three and we're like,

761
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: in our minds are going crazy. And then by the

762
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: end of his run in Seattle is like, yeah, second nature,

763
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: thirty points every time he's stuck, you know, got on

764
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: the field. So yeah, I think it is it's fitting

765
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: that that he gets those those kudos, and hope he

766
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: keeps it up because one thing we've heard is, well,

767
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: the defenses are gonna catch up to Deshaun. They'll see that.

768
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I heard that a little bit this week from other people,

769
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: but I think the guys here in the building are

770
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: adjusting for that idea as well. They're gonna be pretty

771
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: creative and I think you're gonna see some new things

772
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: and some new wrinkles that'll probably prevent that from happening. Yeah,

773
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like they're I feel like not

774
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: to men, not to mention just the other worldly talent

775
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: and knowledge and everything and the maturation that we're gonna

776
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: see from Deshaun Watson. I say maturation purely in terms

777
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: of seeing and diagnosing other defenses and growing his football

778
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: player's because as a guy, he's fine. He tweeted during

779
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I thought it was pretty interesting. He's listening,

780
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that I think the

781
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: and I read that. I read this. I heard this

782
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: on the thirty for thirty podcast talking about the Madden

783
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: Game when they created When they created Madden a long

784
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: time ago, one of the things that was huge and

785
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: Madden when it first came out was the sounds. You

786
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: get the quarterback barking out the signals and then the

787
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: hitting and all that kind of stuff. And so when

788
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: Fox got football in nineteen ninety five, I think it

789
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: was ninety five, maybe ninety five, ninety six, but Fox

790
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: got football, I went from CBS right and it was

791
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: doing the NFC, So yeah, it was somewhere in there,

792
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: but it was somewhere in the mid nineties, and then

793
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: Fox got it, and on the podcast the guy who

794
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: was in charge of the NFL said, he used madness

795
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: sort of I want I want to emulate that. I

796
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: want Mike's to be on the field. I want to

797
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: hear the quarterback talking. I want to hear the guys

798
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: talking down in the field. And Madden was sort of inspiration.

799
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: And I bring it up because at the Super Bowl

800
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: that was clear. I mean, you can hear those things

801
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: down on the field. And Deshaun tweeted that he was

802
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: listening and he was watching, and he was looking at

803
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: the formations and knowing what the play was because New

804
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: England's offense has got a lot of similarity stars, and

805
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: so Deshaun was watching it and he was calling out

806
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: the plays, and he was looking at the coverages and

807
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: he was calling out, you know, what the play would be.

808
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: So he was sort of watching and studying all at

809
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: the same time, which I thought, all right, that's that's

810
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: pretty that's pretty cool that he's doing that. And if

811
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: you're doing that, you got an opportunity to be that

812
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: much better down the road. So it sounds like he

813
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: was not at a Super Bowl party where that's probably

814
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: got some ancillary conversations going on, and that's I'm not saying.

815
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: There's people like committal yig, like I don't like Chris Farley.

816
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: And remember when you remember you throw a boat to

817
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: will floor against Seattle. That was really cool. Interesting to

818
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: watch Shaun Watson watch the Super Bowler. To be in

819
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: the same room as Deshaun Watson, that would be especially

820
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: obviously with New England. If you're hat a Super Bowl party,

821
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: there's no way in hell you can call out the

822
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: plays and digress like what he's what you just described?

823
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: Can I say something that's sort of I don't know,

824
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's sacrilegist. I hate super Bowl parties. Yeah, I

825
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't go to any. I hadn't and

826
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy them. I just like watching the game,

827
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: you know. In two thousand seven, actually it was two

828
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, February two thousand and eight, it was

829
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: the helmet Catch Super Bowl, the Giants and Patriots. We

830
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: had gone out to Las Vegas because our radio station

831
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: took us out there. It was tremendous, had a great week,

832
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: but they were having this big Super Bowl party on

833
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: Sunday and I left after the first or I'm like,

834
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: I can't take this. Yeah, I don't want to be

835
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,479
Speaker 1: at this thing. I mean, it was just so many

836
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: people and hey, what do you think of this? And

837
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, and then of course then you got the

838
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: drunkards that are going hey, hey, yeah, and then spilling

839
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: beer on you. I'm like, I'm out the last six

840
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: or seven. I'm with my wife at home. I know

841
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: me too, and my wife enjoys it. She enjoys it.

842
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: She knows my daughter too. A son not so much.

843
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: He was, you know, halftime show maybe, but beyond that,

844
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: he didn't really care. But it's fun to watch, no doubt.

845
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: Drew appreciate him. My man, any time, any time. Thank you.

846
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: February fourth, Shaw Watson tweets watching Brady and hearing his

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Speaker 1: calls the line of scrimmage. I'm sitting here basically making

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Speaker 1: the same calls and same plays. Hashtag film study. Got

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Speaker 1: to love it. You gotta love Mark Vandomir and Drew

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Speaker 1: Doherty for stopping by. Mostly gotta thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: hanging with me tonight. Big thanks to Ryan Rockett back

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Speaker 1: in studio. You guys are the best. We'll see tomorrow, Buddy,

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Speaker 1: let's always go Texans.