Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News.
Speaker 2: Well, Elon Musk is.
Speaker 3: Now the richest person on the planet.
Speaker 1: More than half the satellites in space are owned and
Speaker 1: controlled by one man.
Speaker 4: Starting his own artificial intelligence company. Well, he's a legitimate
Speaker 4: super genius.
Speaker 2: I mean legitimate.
Speaker 4: He says.
Speaker 5: He's always voted for Democrats, but this year it will
Speaker 5: be different. He'll vote Republican.
Speaker 4: There is a reason the US government is so reliant
Speaker 4: on him. Alon Musk is a scam artist and he's
Speaker 4: done nothing.
Speaker 6: Anything he does is fascinating the people.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Elan and Holiday Special. I'm Max Chafkin,
Speaker 4: still sitting here in the studio with Bloomberg Elon Musk
Speaker 4: reporter Dana Hall and Bloomberg Big Tech chief Sarah Fryar.
Speaker 4: Joining us as well is Ryan Broderick of the excellent
Speaker 4: Garbage Day newsletter. Last week we went through the most
Speaker 4: important stories of the year, and as listeners will remember, well,
Speaker 4: I introduced a point system for our Know Your Elon contest.
Speaker 4: Now right now here is where the points stand. And
Speaker 4: again we're recording this in mid December. So Dana is
Speaker 4: in the lead with three points. Sarah has two points.
Speaker 4: And Ryan unfortunately is last with one solitary point, but
Speaker 4: he can make up for it because we are throwing
Speaker 4: ourselves into a new game. Ryan, I hope you're hydrated
Speaker 4: before we start this. But this game is called most
Speaker 4: Interesting of the Year. So as people follow him on
Speaker 4: Elon Musk will know that Elon Musk often comments interesting
Speaker 4: on top of a tweet, and they're off there, sometimes provocative,
Speaker 4: there's sometimes I don't know, arguably offensive. They're sometimes funny,
Speaker 4: there's sometimes nonsensical. I am going to read you all
Speaker 4: four summaries of posts, and you have to tell me
Speaker 4: the one that Elon Musk did not find interesting. Okay, so,
Speaker 4: so three of these were interesting and one of them
Speaker 4: was not interesting? Okay? Are you all ready? Okay? The
Speaker 4: first post okay, so so Post one argued that quote
Speaker 4: only high t alpha males end quote autists should be
Speaker 4: able to vote, okay. Post two was a post promoting
Speaker 4: the opening of a film called Vindicating Trump by the
Speaker 4: conservative commentator Denesh Desuza. Post three it was a lengthy
Speaker 4: post This is hundreds of words long by JK Rowling
Speaker 4: laying out her feelings on transidentity. Like I said, it
Speaker 4: goes on and on. It's one of those ones you
Speaker 4: have to click to expand it. It begins I believe
Speaker 4: a woman is a human being who belongs to the
Speaker 4: sex class that produces large gammeetes and goes on from there.
Speaker 4: Post four was a series of photos of Jackie Chan,
Speaker 4: the martial art artist and actor with a Donald Trump haircut.
Speaker 4: So four posts, which one of those was not interesting?
Speaker 4: According to Elon Musk Sarah Fryar Jackie Chan Ryan.
Speaker 3: So, I would have thought Jackie Chan. But I feel
Speaker 3: like you threw it in there because it is real.
Speaker 3: I've seen the middle two like in real life. So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the high team mails and autists
Speaker 3: for number one.
Speaker 4: Okay, Dana, You're both wrong, Dana, Wow. Okay, it is
Speaker 4: either the the JK Rowling screed or the Denesh jesus
Speaker 4: A film.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna say that. I'm gonna say that an justus
Speaker 7: A film.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, everyone's wrong. Okay, So this was but
Speaker 4: this is a trick question. But but it's it's really
Speaker 4: important because Elon did not find the rolling post interesting.
Speaker 4: She did post it. That's a real post.
Speaker 2: Do you find it concerning he act?
Speaker 4: But he actually did he he must have been going
Speaker 4: through a thing where he was worried there was too
Speaker 4: much division on X, because he responded, while I heartily
Speaker 4: agree with your points regarding sex gender, may I suggest
Speaker 4: also posting interesting and positive content on other matters that's
Speaker 4: so good, so debatable? He kind of implied that it
Speaker 4: was interesting, but he he said also that it wasn't interesting.
Speaker 4: So I award no points to anyone for that for
Speaker 4: that one, although I do feel like Ryan, You're you're
Speaker 4: remembering the Jackie Chan series has gotta be worth that's
Speaker 4: gotta be worth a sympathy point.
Speaker 2: I gotta go outside more often. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: All right. Now the second topic here is concerning. Now,
Speaker 4: these are four posts that Elon Musk found concerning. And
Speaker 4: once again I am going to read you little excerpts
Speaker 4: of these posts, and you're gonna tell me what did
Speaker 4: not concern Elon Musk. Okay, all right, here's number one. Now,
Speaker 4: everyone pay attention. A post claiming that quote it's really
Speaker 4: pointless to even attack Harris. She's just a puppet du jour,
Speaker 4: and Biden is a puppet diyere. That's French for yesterday. Two,
Speaker 4: an article complaining that signal the encrypted messaging service had
Speaker 4: close ties to the US intelligence agencies. Post three was
Speaker 4: one warning that rising unemployment and panic job cuts were coming. This,
Speaker 4: by the way, it turned out to be false. Post
Speaker 4: four claimed that Google was rigging the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 4: All right, Dana, you tell me which one of those
Speaker 4: was not concerning an Elon. Now remember puppets, the puppet post,
Speaker 4: the encrypted messaging, rising unemployment, Google rigging the twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four election.
Speaker 7: Maybe the puppet post, because that seems like something that
Speaker 7: Elon himself would actually say not be concerned about.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Dana is so good. Elon did not
Speaker 4: did not find it concerning. He said it and two
Speaker 4: points for Dana Hall okay, So so Dan is up
Speaker 4: to five, Ryan is two, Sarah's two. Dana is running
Speaker 4: away with this thing. But Sarah and Ryan, you still
Speaker 4: have time.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to lose to the masters.
Speaker 4: So let's move on to another category. This is the
Speaker 4: portion where we discuss parts of Elon Musk's business empire
Speaker 4: that he is going to look into. Now, you know,
Speaker 4: super fans Elon heads will know that people often complain
Speaker 4: to Elon Musk about, you know, various things that are
Speaker 4: going on, and he'll say looking into it, all right.
Speaker 4: So now, now three of these are real. One of
Speaker 4: them is not the first one a complaint that he
Speaker 4: banned Luigi Mangioni's Twitter account. This is the alleged United
Speaker 4: Healthcare shooter. Two is a suggestion that the quote deep
Speaker 4: state could be undermined by a new government office that
Speaker 4: would be in charge of declassifying documents. Three is a
Speaker 4: report about high levels of absenteeism in Tesla's Berlin gigafactory.
Speaker 4: And four is a complaint that Stripe the mobile paint
Speaker 4: the payment service was refusing to process payments for libs
Speaker 4: of TikTok, which is a right wing influencer account. So, Sarah,
Speaker 4: which of these was Elon not looking into number two? Bingo?
Speaker 8: All the rest I have to do with his company
Speaker 8: is and he always says looking into it when it's
Speaker 8: something that he's in charge of. But he's not in
Speaker 8: charge of the deep state.
Speaker 4: Okay. See, I thought I was gonna fool you because
Speaker 4: he is kind of in charge of the deep state
Speaker 4: now with the DOGE. But no, you're right. That was
Speaker 4: a suggestion by FBI nominee Cash Bettel. Elon said it
Speaker 4: was a good idea, but he is not looking into it.
Speaker 4: Oh good, okay, Okay, so that's two points of Sarah.
Speaker 4: That means it's five for Dana, four for Sarah, two
Speaker 4: for Ryan. We're gonna have to give Ryan a chance
Speaker 4: to answer first on the next one, just to make
Speaker 4: sure it's fair, because I'm getting some producer complaints in
Speaker 4: my ear about questions of game integrity here. All right,
Speaker 4: this is most beautiful. These were posts that Elon Musk
Speaker 4: found beautiful and wrote that this is beautiful. And I
Speaker 4: have four pictures. I'm gonna show you the pictures, Dan
Speaker 4: and Sarah. You should have them ready loaded up. Ryan,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just sort of move my last shot and
Speaker 4: show me you, okay, picture number one, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: describe it for those who are not on the podcast.
Speaker 4: It's okay, I know this one, okay. It's a picture
Speaker 4: of Georgia Maloney and the Prime the Prime Minister of
Speaker 4: Italy and Elon Musk sitting at a dinner looking at
Speaker 4: each other, just with the most I mean, I don't know, Dana,
Speaker 4: can you describe it a Morris?
Speaker 7: I mean, they're flirting, there's wine, it's you know, it.
Speaker 4: Just it looks like such a good time. All right.
Speaker 4: That's picture one. Picture two okay, Now it's a selfie
Speaker 4: of a of a gentleman and who you probably don't recognize.
Speaker 4: He's sort of wearing a flag pin. I'll tell you
Speaker 4: who he is though. This is a picture of Christopher Maccio,
Speaker 4: who is a classical crossover vocalist known for performing at
Speaker 4: Trump events. I believe that Dana and I saw him
Speaker 4: at Madison Square Garden. I think he made this picture.
Speaker 4: He may be at mar A Lago any, Dan, I
Speaker 4: don't know. Do We were kind of walking out? Do
Speaker 4: you remember how how was? How was the vocal stylings
Speaker 4: of Christopher Maccio?
Speaker 7: Did he perform? Is he the one who's saying America
Speaker 7: the beautiful?
Speaker 4: You know? Honestly, I don't know he's he's he's like
Speaker 4: a Trump World singer, of course that exists. Yes, Okay, now, okay,
Speaker 4: so that's two. So Maloney Macchio, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 4: Now here's the third one. Okay, So this is a
Speaker 4: an interior. It looks like something out of like Bride's
Speaker 4: magazine or something. It's again, I'm gonna describe it quickly.
Speaker 4: It's a sort of a you know, like a sort
Speaker 4: of white all white there, white roses. There's a bed.
Speaker 4: It looks like the nicest Airbnb you've ever stayed in.
Speaker 2: I remember this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, don't give anything away. I guess you're answering first. Okay,
Speaker 4: And here's number four, and again I don't quite know
Speaker 4: how to describe this, but maybe I'll let Ryan do
Speaker 4: the honors.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he So it's like the kind of thing
Speaker 3: you'd see on like Dvian art where it's like a
Speaker 3: beautiful woman back to the point of view of the picture,
Speaker 3: hugging like a man in all black chain to the wall.
Speaker 3: It's like something like a seventeen year old will put
Speaker 3: on MySpace twenty years ago, and like Elon loves this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's there. There was a caption which I wanted
Speaker 4: to read. I'd said, I believe in a bond that
Speaker 4: transcends love, a salvation found in each other. All right,
Speaker 4: Ryan Broderick, which of the picture which you're saying that
Speaker 4: that was the one that he did not find beautiful? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I have bad news for.
Speaker 9: You, man.
Speaker 4: It was so confident.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a selfie of a random man.
Speaker 4: I just assume it Okay, here's the thing. That answer
Speaker 4: is wrong. But I feel a little bad because he
Speaker 4: definitely was talking about the music being beautiful. He was
Speaker 4: not saying that the selfie was beautiful. But still, you know,
Speaker 4: gotta trip you up. Ok all right, let's give Sarah
Speaker 4: a chance to steal.
Speaker 8: He probably didn't didn't actually say beautiful about his dinner photo.
Speaker 4: That is correct, he did not, and he has been
Speaker 4: at pains I think to sort of, you know, not
Speaker 4: make it seem like they're definitely in a romantic relationship,
Speaker 4: and even may Musk has has chimed in at times.
Speaker 2: I ship them, but I understand.
Speaker 4: I feel like that was a little tricky and maybe
Speaker 4: perhaps unfair. But nonetheless, Sarah is in the lead, Dana
Speaker 4: has five points, and Ryan is still stuck it at two.
Speaker 2: I'll take it.
Speaker 4: So now we have another game. This one is called
Speaker 4: No Your Rogan. Okay, So we're gonna play a series
Speaker 4: of clips and you are going to have to this
Speaker 4: is another two pointer. You're gonna have to identify who
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan is talking to in the context of the comments.
Speaker 4: And now there are only three choices, and the choices
Speaker 4: are Donald Trump, Elon Musk, or Bob Gimlin, who is
Speaker 4: a crypto zoologist.
Speaker 2: Someone who studies fantasy beasts and creatures. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got it.
Speaker 4: Now this might be easy because I think some of
Speaker 4: us have listened to some of these episodes. But nonetheless, again,
Speaker 4: all right, so let's start with the first clip.
Speaker 2: If there was a life on a planet and we
Speaker 2: could introduce our DNA into these lower primates and make
Speaker 2: them more like us, you don't think we would do.
Speaker 4: It, Ryan Brodrick, what is the who is he talking to?
Speaker 4: Is he talking to a cryptozoologist, Donald Trump or Elon Musk?
Speaker 4: And what is the context?
Speaker 3: Honestly, it would be so funny if he was talking
Speaker 3: to Trump. It would be so funny if you just
Speaker 3: talk about like making monkey human hybrids with Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Elon Musk, and I'm gonna say it
Speaker 3: has something to do with like gene splicing or transhumanism,
Speaker 3: or like making sort of animal hybrid debt slaves to
Speaker 3: work on Mars or something.
Speaker 2: All right, let's hear the clip, Mike.
Speaker 3: If we had the technology to do what allegedly the
Speaker 3: aliens alledged aliens do, we.
Speaker 4: Would beat all sorts of crazy stuff all the time.
Speaker 4: I'll just so as you could hear, he's not talking
Speaker 4: to Elon Musk or Donald Trump. He's talking to the
Speaker 4: cryptozoologist about alien tech.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, so unfortunately that's another.
Speaker 2: I'll take the I'm actually happy to not know what
Speaker 2: goes on on that podcast.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's immediately go to a new clip. Here's Rogan again.
Speaker 4: It cleans your mind, It cleans your mind, Dana Hall,
Speaker 4: who is Joe Rogan talking to.
Speaker 2: And what is he talking about?
Speaker 7: He's talking to Elon Musk about like eating meat or
Speaker 7: like something consumable.
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Let's hear the clip. Golf as you get older, there's
Speaker 4: something really good about it. And competition with competition concentrations
Speaker 4: a great handicaps for it. All right, So self explanatory,
Speaker 4: Trump talking to Trump about playing golf. All right, here's
Speaker 4: the third clip, video evidence, radar evidence. Okay, Rogan said,
Speaker 4: video evidence, Comma, radar evidence. What do you think, Sarah Fryar?
Speaker 4: Is it.
Speaker 8: Elon Musk talking about immigration?
Speaker 2: Let's hear the clip. And they said, we saw think, sir,
Speaker 2: that it's aliens.
Speaker 3: Very strange, like a round ball, but it wasn't a
Speaker 3: combat or maybe it was something.
Speaker 4: All right, Ryan gets a point there for for chiming
Speaker 4: with aliens. Yes, that's that's Donald Trump and Joe Rogan,
Speaker 4: the president elect of the United States and the most
Speaker 4: popular broadcaster in America talking about aliens.
Speaker 3: See that's why Rogan is popular. If I got to
Speaker 3: sit down with any president, I'd be like, what's the
Speaker 3: deal with aliens?
Speaker 2: And like that's good. That's good radio. You know, that's
Speaker 2: good podcasting.
Speaker 4: Legit, no joke, You're right, all right, next clip, we
Speaker 4: only have two more. Here's here's the second last clip.
Speaker 2: I would be terribly surprised.
Speaker 4: Cryptozoologist Elon Musk, Donald Trump, And then what is the context?
Speaker 3: I would be terribly surprised, Yes, like would it surprise
Speaker 3: you to learn that?
Speaker 4: Like? Just figure pretty like if someone like I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be surprised. Shot in the dark, all right, Yes, indeed
Speaker 4: it was. It was the cryptozoologist talking about the possibility
Speaker 4: that Bigfoot would get hit by the bus. For anyone
Speaker 4: wondering what just happened there, Ryan was, I think on
Speaker 4: his way to getting the answer correctly. I don't know
Speaker 4: if he would have got Bigfoot. But our producers accidentally
Speaker 4: hit the reveal button a little too early. But you
Speaker 4: know what, I think we have to give Ryan credit because,
Speaker 4: as I said, it was on the tip of his tongue.
Speaker 4: Ryan is up to five points. Now it's six to
Speaker 4: five five. We've got a tight contest here. And the
Speaker 4: last question is going to go to Dana. Here's the clip.
Speaker 6: Just the fact that they have the resources to do
Speaker 6: that when they have all the crime that they have.
Speaker 4: Dana, who's Joe Rogan talking to and what is talking
Speaker 4: to him?
Speaker 2: About Trump?
Speaker 7: And something about immigration?
Speaker 4: Sarah, I'll go to you. Now, think about crime stories
Speaker 4: that that dominated the news over the last two months.
Speaker 8: Is it about ballots?
Speaker 4: Just the fact that they have the resources to do
Speaker 4: that when they have all that crime that they have. Okay,
Speaker 4: now this is this is a story related to law breaking,
Speaker 4: but it's of a specific variety of law and breaking.
Speaker 4: It has to do with violating the rules about animals
Speaker 4: at home. Oh wait, he's talking about Excel in the UK.
Speaker 7: It peanut the squirrel. He was talking Oh.
Speaker 2: Peanut does squirrel?
Speaker 4: And who is he talking to? Dan? That's right, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's hear that one.
Speaker 2: Still pretty shoke about the freaking squirrel thing.
Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, the.
Speaker 2: At gunpoint, forced the guy.
Speaker 10: To like stay outside his house while they got his
Speaker 10: pets and killed them.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you know, violent felons are running free.
Speaker 4: Okay, just to remind listeners, Peanut the squirrel was an illicit,
Speaker 4: allegedly illicit squirrel owned by a influencer who was, according
Speaker 4: to Elon and many especially on the right, was cruelly
Speaker 4: taken from his home euthanized tested for rabies. This was
Speaker 4: like the It actually might have happened in November, but
Speaker 4: it was like the closest thing we had in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four to an October surprise that ends the game.
Speaker 4: The big winner today is Dana and I believe Ryan
Speaker 4: and Sarah were tied for second, but in my book,
Speaker 4: everybody's a winner. Dana Hall, congratulations, Oh what do I win?
Speaker 7: What's the prize? Max?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we discussed that and we haven't figured it out
Speaker 4: all right, So we have one last part of this
Speaker 4: holiday spectacular for you, and it's gonna be predictions. Now
Speaker 4: just to I'm gonna ask all of you to talk
Speaker 4: about what you think is gonna happen. But we're just
Speaker 4: gonna play a little tape of colleagues and friends of
Speaker 4: the show. Talking about like what they see as their
Speaker 4: Elon Musk predictions.
Speaker 6: I got two predictions for this year for Elon Musk.
Speaker 6: The first is that he's gonna fold x social network
Speaker 6: formerly known as Twitter into Xai. So it's going to
Speaker 6: be a way for him to basically salvage that you know,
Speaker 6: struggling business get investors away out by merging those two companies.
Speaker 6: And then second is that we're going to see some
Speaker 6: kind of boys trip with Elon and Donald Trump going
Speaker 6: to visit. I'm going to say, Kim John Noon this year,
Speaker 6: I have to just have a hunch that there's going
Speaker 6: to be some very controversial weekend vacation for those guys.
Speaker 9: My expectation for Elon Musk in twenty twenty five is
Speaker 9: that he will continue to fly out the law on
Speaker 9: corporate governance and other issues and believe that you know,
Speaker 9: he's somehow special and he won't he doesn't need to
Speaker 9: follow the same rules and customs that you know, the
Speaker 9: little people follow.
Speaker 10: My prediction for Doge is that Elon and Vivig are
Speaker 10: going to get nowhere near the two trillion dollars that
Speaker 10: they've proposed to cut unless you stretch the window for
Speaker 10: cutting two trillion dollars to like one hundred years.
Speaker 5: I guess my big prediction is that we are going
Speaker 5: to learn something new on the fertility front. It could
Speaker 5: be more babies that Elon's had. I think the current
Speaker 5: number is twelve or thirteen. It could be some sort
Speaker 5: of you know place, maybe in Texas. But I think
Speaker 5: that we are going to learn more about how Elon
Speaker 5: has been personally trying to fill the earth with more children.
Speaker 5: That is more prediction.
Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty five, I'm wondering, will Elon somehow
Speaker 1: you stage to put his thumb on scale to help
Speaker 1: his own companies. There's obvious ones like the FAA could
Speaker 1: really help SpaceX if it wanted to.
Speaker 4: But what about the FDA.
Speaker 1: Could he use that to somehow really help Neuralink or
Speaker 1: the Department of Chain Insportation to help warn That's what
Speaker 1: I'm going to be watching.
Speaker 11: Hey, Papadoppolois here, I've got a whole slew of predictions,
Speaker 11: praying that at least one of them proves to be correct.
Speaker 11: First off, I've got those of the Committee scoring a
Speaker 11: couple big early victories, you know, like permanent daylight savings
Speaker 11: time or something. And then the whole thing fizzling out
Speaker 11: pretty badly, sparking curiously a rally in doged the cryptocurrency. Next,
Speaker 11: I've got the valuations of SpaceX and Tesla converging throughout
Speaker 11: the year. Then I've got friend of Pod Kurt Wagner,
Speaker 11: breaking down and buying a cyber truck. Lastly, of course,
Speaker 11: a horse tip. You know, me being the gambling degenerate
Speaker 11: and all. I've got a cult by the name of
Speaker 11: the Chancer mcpatrick winning the one hundred and fifty first
Speaker 11: running of the Kentucky Derby.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 4: I have no idea if that's a real course. All right,
Speaker 4: So that was Kurt Wagner, Jeff Feely, Josh Green, Rayhan Harmancy,
Speaker 4: Sarah McBride, and our host, our normal host anyway, David Papadopolis.
Speaker 4: All right, Sarah, most plausible least plausible predictions.
Speaker 8: That we just hurt Kurt getting a cybertruck.
Speaker 4: Is that most plausible or the least plausible?
Speaker 8: Well, I think least plausible, But anything is possible. I mean,
Speaker 8: it's definitely possible that dose is gonna fizzle and turn
Speaker 8: into a disaster and not cut the trillions that wants
Speaker 8: to cut.
Speaker 4: I mean not everyone. So there were some very safe
Speaker 4: there were some very set safe bets here.
Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely think they're gonna get rid of Dali
Speaker 3: Zavi sent I'm rooting for them.
Speaker 4: I feel like that is.
Speaker 3: Like such an easy, obvious, pulled from a deep storyline
Speaker 3: thing that could happen, that they'll do and then they'll
Speaker 3: just sort of disappear.
Speaker 2: I think that is totally gonna happen.
Speaker 4: I welcome the Daylight Savings repeal and also all the
Speaker 4: quirky things, like the opportunity for just just you know,
Speaker 4: government to get weird. I'd say, is like one of
Speaker 4: the you know, one of the things I'm most looking
Speaker 4: forward to in twenty twenty five. Dana, what about you?
Speaker 4: Do you think a boys trip to North Korea is
Speaker 4: in the in the cards like our colleague Kurt Wagner.
Speaker 2: So that was another good one.
Speaker 7: Actually, I thought that was that was an intriguing one.
Speaker 7: I could definitely see a boy's trip to like Hungary
Speaker 7: to visit like Victor Orbon more than North Korea. But
Speaker 7: you know, Trump does really like to talk about North Korea,
Speaker 7: so I could be wrong. I think the most plausible
Speaker 7: one is more on the fertility front. Of course I'm
Speaker 7: biased because we've written a lot about that, but more
Speaker 7: babyhon suggestion was good, Yeah, more more children.
Speaker 4: And I think if you had to, if you had
Speaker 4: to put a number on.
Speaker 7: It, well, you need a lot of people to populate
Speaker 7: this Morris colony. And you know, I think we've talked
Speaker 7: about this. Maybe we need to do a special segment.
Speaker 7: But you know, Musk is always very by Genghis Khan
Speaker 7: and like I would not, I mean, he has fathered
Speaker 7: twelve children that we know of, with an emphasis of
Speaker 7: on the that we know of.
Speaker 4: Part I just want to remind everyone that we did
Speaker 4: this podcast last time and I predicted that Elon Musk
Speaker 4: and Georgia Maloney would come closer together. And although again
Speaker 4: as as I said, Elon has denied having a romantic
Speaker 4: relationship with Maloney, I feel like that picture. You know,
Speaker 4: I really am proud of my prediction. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7: That was a smart one.
Speaker 2: Hey, we still have ten, ten fifteen days left of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 4: We're recording this on December eleventh. Everyone, Yeah, so this
Speaker 4: could you might be right?
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 4: All right, let's let's all give our you know, prediction
Speaker 4: for twenty twenty five the year in Elon Musk, Ryan,
Speaker 4: why don't you start one that I forget, like where
Speaker 4: I sort of saw the idea, this idea, but I
Speaker 4: think it's smart, which is that either ex buys.
Speaker 3: Truth Social or truth Social buys X or there's some
Speaker 3: sort of consolidation there.
Speaker 2: I feel like that just.
Speaker 3: Makes well, maybe it won't happen because it makes too
Speaker 3: much sense with these guys, like they don't really operate
Speaker 3: that way. But that to me just feels like it's
Speaker 3: dying to happen. And I feel like it might happen
Speaker 3: if Blue Sky becomes more successful and someone explains what
Speaker 3: Federation is to Elon Musk.
Speaker 4: First of all, mind meld, that is exactly my That
Speaker 4: was my answer as well, and that is not in
Speaker 4: your computer, that is my was it really? That is
Speaker 4: an idea that we have flowed on this podcast. I
Speaker 4: feel like every time I bring it up, I get
Speaker 4: made fun of, But I think that they I think
Speaker 4: it could happen. I think that you know, True Social
Speaker 4: is has a public listing, it doesn't really have an audience.
Speaker 4: Elon Musk has this private company that could really use
Speaker 4: a public listing. I feel like, Sarah, you need to
Speaker 4: like throw cold water on this idea before Ryan and I,
Speaker 4: you know, start, why.
Speaker 8: Would you want to? I mean, I just don't see
Speaker 8: that being that beneficial for Elon like to have true
Speaker 8: social I think it's more likely that he will will
Speaker 8: somehow end up with the US version of TikTok because
Speaker 8: it needs to be it needs to be divested to
Speaker 8: a US owner, and like Trump has said he will
Speaker 8: save it. He didn't say how.
Speaker 3: How would that deal work though, because hasn't bite Edan
Speaker 3: said that, like they don't care enough about TikTok to
Speaker 3: like in.
Speaker 8: All truths. I don't think it's gonna happen. But it's
Speaker 8: a it's a fun conspiracy.
Speaker 4: You're just bringing it up to say how ridiculous bringing
Speaker 4: it up to.
Speaker 8: Say that, Like, it's just as implausible, you know what.
Speaker 8: I what is more plausible I think is in the
Speaker 8: realm of social media, is that we'll start to see
Speaker 8: maybe a bit of a true slash light friendship developed
Speaker 8: between Zuckerberg and Musk, who we have previously discussed as
Speaker 8: cage match rivals.
Speaker 4: Oh I like that, all right, Dana. What's your prediction
Speaker 4: for twenty twenty five?
Speaker 7: Oh gosh, so many Well, I'm really curious, I guess
Speaker 7: I'm curious about the sam Altman feud and where that
Speaker 7: lands and if there's a daytonte or whether there's an escalation.
Speaker 7: You know, there was a there was a story that
Speaker 7: they like briefly like hung around pit a bonfire together
Speaker 7: Valley hugged, hugged or something. But then now that's now
Speaker 7: the lawsuit is back on and Chavon Zillis is now
Speaker 7: named as part of that lawsuit. So I really love
Speaker 7: to know like how much equity she has an open
Speaker 7: AI and why she's now a plaintiff in that suit.
Speaker 7: So that's like sort of one bucket, I guess. The
Speaker 7: other geopolitical bucket I'm really curious about is China and Taiwan,
Speaker 7: and like what like Elon's Elon's dependency on China, his
Speaker 7: relationship with China, his factory in China is just such
Speaker 7: a big part of this whole potential tariff trade war
Speaker 7: Taiwan chips like it. Like, I would love visibility into
Speaker 7: into what Elon does their visa VI the Trump administration.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think something in hearing some of these
Speaker 4: like Blue Sky, we didn't really talk about Blue Sky.
Speaker 4: It's growing really fast and and like maybe when we
Speaker 4: do this in a year, that is going to be
Speaker 4: the thing we're talking about. And then China absolutely like
Speaker 4: it's you know, this seems like a real point of
Speaker 4: contention between Trump and Elon potentially or between like Trump
Speaker 4: supporters and Elon Musk.
Speaker 7: I have one more, which is that you know, Rfk
Speaker 7: is going to be confirmed for the head of HHS,
Speaker 7: even though there's a lot of opposition to it. And
Speaker 7: then you're going to see ketamine and psychondel, mushrooms and
Speaker 7: m DNA and all kinds of therapies that uh, you
Speaker 7: know that not just Musk but his brother Kimball and
Speaker 7: Antonio Grassias, like Silicon Valley is very into psychedelics, and
Speaker 7: I think you're just going to see like a sea
Speaker 7: change happen where you know, it's just going to become normal.
Speaker 7: It's going to become an increasingly allowed I mean, it
Speaker 7: is allowed in some states under some circumstances, right, But
Speaker 7: I just think you're going to you're gonna see kind
Speaker 7: of Silicon Valley in this administration and breaks embrace psychonelex
Speaker 7: for therapy in a way that no one could have predicted.
Speaker 4: I look forward to doing this podcast in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five in December, high as heck on ketamine.
Speaker 2: Your teeth are just.
Speaker 3: Totally rotted out from lack of fluoride, and you're just
Speaker 3: out of your mind on ketymine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds all right. Last question and then we
Speaker 4: can end this glorious holiday special. Were and this came
Speaker 4: up earlier, but you know, you see a lot of
Speaker 4: people making predictions. I think Ryan actually brought it up
Speaker 4: very early on. But the idea that at some point
Speaker 4: Trump and Elon will inevitably have a falling out, and
Speaker 4: I want everyone to give me a predicted date of
Speaker 4: when it's going to happen and how it's going to happen.
Speaker 4: Ryan Broderick, you start hold on.
Speaker 3: I'm just googling how long Amurosa made it, and it
Speaker 3: seems like she was designed January twenty eighteen. So do
Speaker 3: I think Elon Musk has the juice to stay in
Speaker 3: the succession orbit longer or shorter than Amerosa? I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say he hangs on for the whole first year,
Speaker 3: and I think.
Speaker 4: He sticks.
Speaker 3: He stays till like let's say twenty twenty six. Early
Speaker 3: in the year he's gone like February February twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: Now is there a conflict or does he just gently leave?
Speaker 4: Is it on good terms or porter?
Speaker 3: I think Trump likes mixings up, kind of like in
Speaker 3: certain cycles. I feel like the first year, everything kind
Speaker 3: of holds still, and then I feel like it's gonna
Speaker 3: start to shadow really fast as we get close to
Speaker 3: the midterms and he starts to panic and he starts
Speaker 3: to fire people. So I think that's that's how long
Speaker 3: Elon Musk has. Okay, that's a well considered prediction. Sarah Fryar,
Speaker 3: what do you what do you got?
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm I'm the one who thought Linda Yakarino
Speaker 8: wouldn't last more than in a few weeks, and she's
Speaker 8: still at at stilcio of X. So I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 8: gonna give this one a little more time. It's a
Speaker 8: big investment that he made, and he seems pretty dedicated
Speaker 8: to it. I think if it falls apart, it's going
Speaker 8: to be on on Trump's terms, since Elon seems to
Speaker 8: just want to be at our alago all the time
Speaker 8: and have a hand in the building of this administration.
Speaker 4: So give us a date.
Speaker 8: I think he just gets distracted by something else at
Speaker 8: some point. I think, you know, by this summer of
Speaker 8: next year, we're not really gonna hear about Musk in DC.
Speaker 4: So you're saying, like July, so lay the groundwork.
Speaker 8: Five, be involved in this big decisions and then like
Speaker 8: go back to his companies for a little bit.
Speaker 4: Dana.
Speaker 7: Maybe I'm gonna I'm gonna give a longer Leach. I'm
Speaker 7: going to say, August twenty twenty six, He's got eighteen
Speaker 7: months to do Doge. He really wants to do Doge.
Speaker 7: She wants to. He wants to, you know, do as
Speaker 7: much as he can in the next eighteen months. And
Speaker 7: then and then maybe once the Doge project is done,
Speaker 7: he'll he'll he'll be you know, he won't be as
Speaker 7: much of a fixture, but I feel like he's gonna be.
Speaker 7: He's gonna be thick as thieves with Trump for the
Speaker 7: foreseeable future.
Speaker 4: I agree. I think he's gonna make it past the midterm.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know I passed the midterm. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: money thing. Yeah, now, I don't know. I mean it's
Speaker 4: like hearing everyone make these like very like relatively optimistic.
Speaker 4: I thought someone was going to say like a week
Speaker 4: from now or something, which which had been the conventional wisdom.
Speaker 8: We learned our lesson with the Yakarino.
Speaker 4: Yeah and the money. Yeah, I'm saying you know what.
Speaker 4: There Elon is is on the campaign trail with JD
Speaker 4: Vance and Donald Trump Junior in twenty twenty eight and
Speaker 4: they are all friends. That's my prediction. Wow. Okay, So
Speaker 4: that does it for our New Year's special. Guys, had
Speaker 4: a great time hanging out with you, laughing about the
Speaker 4: year that we had and predicting the year to come.
Speaker 4: And we at Elon Ink will be there to cover it.
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Speaker 4: At Bloomberg dot Net. Dana Hall, Sarah Fryar, Ryan Broderick,
Speaker 4: thank you all for being here, Thank you for.
Speaker 8: Having me, Thanks for having us so awesome.
Speaker 7: Thanks Max. Epic episode.
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